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Remy you say this bike is a large & 470mm reach yeah ? Well my Pivot Firebird 🐦🔥 is a Medium and 468mm so almost the same size ! The reach differs so much from brand to brand and in personal experience your best looking at specs not size !! No way I would ride a large Pivot unless 90% of my riding was DH !
@@remymetailler yeah I understand that mate but my point was the geometry 📐/ reach measurement on all genres of bikes varies so much between brands ! I had a Scott Ransom in medium with a 448 reach and my Pivot Firebird is 468 and completely different bikes to ride & both Enduro bikes ! Keep up the great work mate , love your videos 🤘😎
I’m 5 ‘11. I’ve rode 4 large sized bikes and 2 medium sized bikes. I much prefer medium it’s feel way more maneuverable and fun to throw tricks on. The only time the bigger bike felt better is when your flat out downhill which Remy does a lot of
I'm a hair shorter and I've come to the same conclusion after test-riding almost a dozen bikes this year at demo events. Even at the bike park, my medium Yeti SB160 is plenty stable and fast. And certainly easier to climb and maneuver on trails.
I'm 5'8" and always rode medium but moved to large earlier this year with longer chainstay. I love it so much, its so stable and smooth. I'll never go back to medium based on my trail style of riding,
Currently watching your new Videos regularly since I got back to biking in Summer this year. Really enjoying your content and the style auf your videos. The quality with the new equipment I instantly noticed. Keep up the great work Rémy 🙏
Soo smooth, I’ve always ridden larger bikes than recommended. I’m not that great of a rider but the control is very noticeable and the feeling of stability is larger.
Awesome! I’m 5’10” and have always ridden a large I don’t count the medium I had over 20 years that I hated and mullet is bad azz! You’re gonna love it!
I’m the same height as you and find between the 450 and 460 reach is spot on. So in this case with the propane I’d already opt for the large over the medium!
Im 6'1 and used to ride mediums in the early 2000s (when geometry was horrible, super short reaches). One day I swapped my medium 2000 Stinky Deelux (with Marzocchi Jr dual crown) with a large size with the same fork. I couldn't believe how much faster i instantly went with the added stability and proper balance.
I don't think either bike sounded very noisy. My Rocky Mountain Instinct carbon is dead quiet. Also, I'm 5'10" and my med frame has a reach of 460 mm and 438mm chainstays. You are correct about the confidence a rider feels to be centered on your bike.
I feel the same like you I’am 1.92m and I ride 2 years a bike in Large and before 2 weeks I bought a new bike in XLarge and it feels much better than the bike in Large.
You have to compare enduro bikes with enduro bikes and dh bikes with dh bikes. A Specialized Demo is quite short and a Santa Cruz V10 is almost the same.
@@remymetailler yeah. I agree. So many people in the comments are disagreeing with you but they are talking about enduro bikes. I guess they failed to understand you were talking about downhill bikes. And only downhill bikes.
@@flylilpyro1 there's alot more adjustments you can make on most downhill bikes you can can change the reach and chain stay length to accommodate what you want or feel comfortable on. Santa cruz V10 has 4 different possibilities just on the flip chip and then you can adjust reach on top of that.
Thanks for sharing your thought process. I am 6'6" (2m) and have been riding XL. I often feel very far over the front wheel and find myself muscling the bike when it gets rough. This has made me reconsider trying out a XXL.
Yeah, few people can ride like Remy, and I am not in that select group. It's interesting information and this is what I appreciate about the people who invest in new tech, or experiment with different setups. It's useful information for someone out there. Great content.
Totally agree with moving to a bike you can feel more centered in. Been riding mtb since the 80s, been on size L for the most of it, until I picked up an XL frame for a trail bike. As I have gotten older, I prefer less twitchy and more stable riding. My old Intense M9, size L, always took time to get used to feeling like I was going to immediately go OTB when I stood up. Note, as the bike geo has gotten longer the head and seat angles are making the cockpits small. For enduro or trail I use longer stems, 60mm, to get the feel I prefer now. I also go for a higher overall bar height to get the bars up, helps with old injuries.
I recommend trying a lot of different settings to find your limits, push them and then adjust your system. I am 5'10 and over the last couple of years I started with S, switched very soon to L, went back to M for tricks, switched to mullet for stability and went back to L to be more stable and faster on for downhill tracks.
Few days ago I receive my new Cube Two15 Race which I ordered in size large. My (now) former DH bike was an oldschool 26" medium size Blindside. Being 178cm I always felt a little crumpled on that bike, but I kinda liked how it manualled with little body movements. The new one feels like diving a schoolbus... Let's see how it goes when I will get used to it.
Makes sense for DH. At 173cm, I had a blast on my Large Kona Process after I shrunk the reach to 465mm. I ultimately didn't like the height of the seat tube while maneuvering the bike and how it limited my dropper post travel. So something to watch for when upsizing on an enduro bike.
182cm on a 26" Medium for 25+ years, 5 years ago went to a 27.5 new school geo Medium and thought the thing was humongous. Took half a season to get used to. Tried 29 and mullet but found it too high up and too long, rather take my old 26er out. It's all personal preference.
I ride on the east coast where trails are twisty and tight. A long bike is most times not the best. However it’s always a good idea to experiment with longer reach.
Great video as always Remy! the bike looks sick. You should do a video in a month or two so we can have a long term review aswell. Im considering buying a larger bike aswell (im 180cm), maybe ill go for a L.
5‘9 here and was about to order a size M just looking at the geometry charts. Fortunately I went to the Propain shop, tired an L and immediately felt at home. Didn’t regret my choice one second after 26 days in the park this year. Size charts can be deceiving.
Great spec explanation it was idiot proof lv come from moto back ground but have included MTB for lots of reasons grin factor being the main reason So the set up and ergos are critical for confidence and your explanation in this area is second to none thanks for your bone saving info you proved that there can be gain without pain I hope l can get over to BC and ride those magic trails some time soon Cheers from the MTB maggots from down Under
I'm 180 cm, been ridden M bikes, now have an L e-enduro Cannondale with 476mm reach, 642mm stack. Feels better, as I have space for my knees everytime, but still don't have to stretch too much for handlebar.
I am 191cm (6'2), and Ekano 2 XL is perfect match. On the break rattle, Formula Cura 4 had horrible rattle, and I was loosing my mind over it, before I found out what it is. I extended plates holding the pads and that preety much removed rattle. But also teflon tape is much easier to apply there instead somethig else💪
I'm 5'7" found myself ML slash gen6 reach is perfect. The website sizing chart recommended size M with smaller reach. But, the ML frame size has the perfect 👌
I’m 6’ and have always ridden a large. I broke a frame and all they had in stock for a replacement was XL, so I went for it instead of waiting 4 months for the large. Turns out I’m a x-large; hindsight is 20/20, but I should have known since I was always installing longer stems to prevent the over the bar feeling. XL just feels right for me and as Rémy points out more stable. My short legs and long torso is actually pointed out by the Santa Cruz sizing chart, as a reason to size up when in between sizes.
I'm 172cm tall (5 7') and have a custom Marino frame with 465mm reach. I have the saddle slammed forward and run a 35mm stem, but the thing absolutely rips. My other bike is 430mm reach and switching between the two, the smaller bike feels really twitchy and takes a while to get back in sync with
I’ve realized “nimbleness” is overrated because you can always get stronger/better technically and wrangle a bigger bike to be more nimble with it, whereas you can’t add stability to a bike that’s nimble because it’s small… 😅
I'm disappointed Remy didn't talk about cornering more. He simply said he was surprised of how well it cornered in tight corners... Realistically, a longer bike will be worst in tight corners than a shorter bike. Where for example, a corner could be so tight that the longer bike can't fit both wheels in the corner at the same time while a shorter bike could. I have been riding long bikes for the past 5 years. This year, I'm getting a shorter one. The wheelbase will be shorter, the reach as all, while stack will remain the same.
and to add to this. Look at world cup racers, the fast ones! They are often on very short bikes compared to us non-pro. Obviously they want to go as fast as possible and would benefit from a long bike to go fast in the straights .. but they get shorter bikes because it's easy enough to go fast on a shoter bike and significantly better for cornering.
I could have detailed more, but I have not felt much negative even in tight corners. Obviously it does not turn as well, but the extra confidence and safety at speed is worth it in my opinion, especially on a bike made to go very fast.
@@remymetailler agree tight corners no issues that i see. It getting the weight over front when I mean body position. I don't like it, but hopefully get used to it. I shorten my stem 45mm from 50mm and my change the rake also. It just like 1inch too big.
Being 183cm/6' I learned that reach isn't as important as is BB to bar height for me, as long as I'm not bent over too much I don't care. Anywhere from 440 to 500 reach I'm happy with the right bar height
Agreed. Stack plays just as important a job as reach. Shorter bikes with steeper HA and taller stack will get more popular as they can be more fun to ride Overly Long bikes are very stable but therefore dull snd lifeless for more skilled riders
Your not supposed to be sitting stright up... or even sitting at all on a downhill bike. but i guess do what you want... wait, are you even talking about downhill bikes?
In 2022 I bought a new bike. As a 6'4" giant I always sized down my frames, because I thought smaller frames meant a more playful bike. In 2022 I listened to my bike builder and went for a size-appropriate frame for my size. Which is XL for that company. It was also my first 29er. Immediately I thought I made a mistake as the bike felt like a cargo ship on wheels. But in a very short time, I felt right at home on the bike. It is as playful as anything before it. I for the first time feel like I'm in the bike. Not on top of it. I feel way more comfortable on a size for my body type. Its also expensive but worth it... bike fitting. Wouldn't ever buy a new bike without doing that first.
Yeah makes all the difference, its really good to know what reach and stack measurements you find most comfortable. I'm a bit shorter at closer to 6'3", but actually finding I'm enjoying Ls a bit more these days with a lot of companies as the reach measurements have grown to around 490 for many of them. Definitely still love the XL for ultra high speed DH/park riding though!
The biggest limiting factor is seat tube length. Most manufacturers make their seat tubes too long or the seat post insertion is too short. I like Norco's approach of shorter seat tube on all frame sizes.
I feel like people get way too hung up in height when it comes to bike sizes. I think it has way more to do with body proportions like arm and leg length, shoulder width, torso length and even riding style and the type of trails you ride the most. It's really great if you can try a bike out on the trails that you ride regularly and find the one that suits you the best.
I am 5' 7" riding road bikes and fixed gear/ss. In recent years I have moved to smaller bikes. One of my most comfortable bikes is xs! I think I may have relatively short arms and legs. I don't ride mtb at all.
I'm 5"11 (180cm) and I ride a XL (reach of 505mm) after riding L all the time. It felt perfect and much better than the L. Personal preference I guess?
@@LaurentiusTriarius That's it. The overall height is only a rough reference point. The Important figures are things like arm length, leg length, upper body length.
I am 178cm and ride a bike with 490 reach and the moment I stood on it, the fit felt perfect. I rode a 455 reach bike before (and still do, but i keep it for jumping only).
It seems like talented skilled riders are better at throwing larger bikes around while benefiting from the increased stability. On the contrary, regular riders (that's a vaaaast majority ) will benefit from riding a bike that is easier to maneuver, playful and turn.
I am 172. I bought a Rockrider L size, which is not the right size for me. Riding it doesn't have a very bad experience, but the seat position is not what I want. I have to use an adaptor to make my seat as front as possible to sit comfortably. Downing slop is OK, but when riding uphill, OH NO!!!!!! It's hurt! That is why I am planning to buy a new frame of M size or size 17!
If you ride like him and push the boundaries in speed and steep it makes sense to size up. I you are an average rider than stick with what is comfortable in your terrain and speed IMO
Very coincidentally, I'm 168cm tall and have been riding size S bikes for over a decade because people always say you should try to go for a smaller size bike. It wasn't until a few days ago when I had to choose an M size enduro for various reasons that I realized that the M size actually suits me better, and that the larger size makes me feel more confident and comfortable on the bike!
Same here. I'm 169cm and i bought a Scott Spark in S size. It seemed okay at the time and i thought nothing of it. But when i bought a Stumpy Evo, i went for an S3 which i was told was more of a medium and it felt way better size wise. So much so that features which i expected the Scott to do well, I'm doing it better on the Stumpy. With hindsight, i shouldn't have listened to others and just bought the Scott in medium.
I'm 5'6" but usually stick to a small or medium frame. The problem for me is having short legs (& lack of skill), so always wanting a frame with a low stand-over height & being able to have the dropper post slammed all the way down. A large sized frame would probably be off limits for me!
I’m 192cm / 6’3…4” tall. I have two Spindrift one L and one M. I like the L better uphill and the M better downhill. I like to control the bike instead of being a passenger. Before I had a G16 in L so I now what long feels like. I highly recommend to look deep into “RAD” and “RAAD”, the solution for me was a high rise bar 50mm rise and a “short” reach bike. Don’t be fooled by body height and reach would tell you everything you need to know. LOOK DEEP INTO RAD AND RAAD.
I used to ride an XL Megatower. As a matter of fact, all my bikes in the past were XL. I'm pretty tall, close to 6 feet, and I'm now riding a large Megatower, and it turned out to be a better fit.
@aaronoconnor606 I also ride a Transition Repeater e-mbt, and that bike is an XL, and it also fits me just fine. The large Repeater felt a little too small for my long arms and long legs.
If you have long legs and a short torso, then a larger stack and a shorter reach are preferred. And if you have smaller legs and a taller torso (like you do), then you tend to have a longer reach.
I’m 5’8” and went from being super uncomfortable on a Fuji medium to super comfy on a Status S4. I’ve got shorter legs and longer torso so the reach is perfect and keeps me centered on the bike
Same size like you, now build my second bike in XL or S5 (Specialized, Enduro and KenevoSL), but using a 0mm stem which is higher as well (plus high rise handlebar). Finally same reach as M/S3 size with 50mm stem 🤷🏻♂️ Awesome! 🤘 long bike, high-speed stability 💪
Longer bikes are 100% more stable/confidence inspiring on the downs. Depends how fast you want to go. But it isn't all about reach. Wheelbase matters as much or more. In fact the reach on my DH bike is almost 30mm shorter than my trail bike and feels more stable at speed.
LoL...didn't hear much difference between the bike sounds. Subtitles were on for some reason while I was watching this and when Remy was riding the Rage, the subtitle said "[Applause]". It was picking up on the sound the Rage was making. Sweet bike tho...I've been looking at the Rage since they released the 2021 version. The Rage Positive release looks awesome, might be a bike choice contender for next year. Hard decision when I'm really liking the Devinci line.
I think when you get up to size large @reaches 470 to 510mm. Is the chainstay. I had a Commencal Meta TR with 490 reach and 435 cs. I switched to a Banshee Titan XL 495mm reach and 452 cs. The confidence on the front end of the bike was night and day.
I found out that a smaller or maybe to small bike for me was limiting the suspension. I couldn't adjust it properly to feel stable and save enough to become faster. So it felt different somehow totally different on a longer frame.
I'm 178cm and i recently upgraded to an M enduro and sold my L trail bike. I felt better climbing in the L, i feel like im able to apply more torque easier. The M feels noticably more manuverable but i always feel like im sitting too far back. Next season im gonna try to extend the stem and see how it feels
If anyone could train a dog listen and point to the noise source on a bike then they could make a fortune for a bike shop! The trail dog could run alongside while you test ride a bike or just for a bike shop for a customer.
Im 5.8 I went with a large this year make all the difference just need mind n slam that seat when getting off but it's so much better for me the medium was just to short
I had similar journey, started of with a Small 2006 spech enduro, looks like a mini clown bike now .. I did have a Mondraker dune 2017 with 472mm reach, that was way too much for my size at 1m70. tried all sorts, raising bar slacken HA, to bring bars closer, is was just too much. I found my sweet spot at 455 460. Now i don't look at the size, just the reach, the seat tube height and chainstay length and wheel base. I think, length of legs versus torso and overall fitness will also play on the size of the bike even if we are the same size
I love bigger bikes and typically ride an XL but the Trek I have is Large and it seems to be a big large! Specialized in my experience seem to run smaller than what they size the bikes as, got on a Pivot Firebird once and was surprised by it being a medium, but it felt like a XL…bike manufacturers must have different standards for their measurements or at least how they define a size? I don’t know🤪
The stack on this DH bike (and many others) is so high, that the reach number is a bit deceptive. It will feel a lot shorter in practice vs the number.
I'll also say that realistically we as mountain bikers make a huge fuss over 10 or 20 mm difference in reach but.. come on 25mm is just 1 inch. In the past overly long seat tubes and standover were limiting factors to riding longer bikes. Not the issue anymore for modern frames.
My s5 2021 stumpy feels faster, more planted and nicer to pedal up but before i upgraded my large 2015 (more modern medium) ensuro elite was just way more fun on everytging but the clumb ans that was likely just the gearing.
Ride a 450 moto, then get on a dirt jumper, then get on any average mountain bike. You will be totally lost. It doesn't matter that much. Rip the tag off and ride. Geo nerds just like having things to nerd about. Love that you spent time on a Glory! Great beginner's budget used buy.
Maybe I've missed it, but as you go into detail about your frame size, it would help to know your inseam (no ahoes of course) and if your span is exactly the same as your height. As you are so downhill focussed, are you into short cranks too? What's your max. measure from centre of the pedal axle to centre of saddle rails for most efficent padalling? As someone riding his ridged bike with the bar way below saddle niveau, optimized for the steep ascents, maybe I can learn something here.
Inseam is only a factor for seat tube height but now with posts like the OneUp dropper you can get high travel basically on any frame. I believe my inseam is about 81cm
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what size is your asking price for the spindrift and what size is it
Why the Rux Fork? Is DVO not making a Dual Crown anymore or are they chill with it because SR Suntour does their manufacturing?
Remy you say this bike is a large & 470mm reach yeah ? Well my Pivot Firebird 🐦🔥 is a Medium and 468mm so almost the same size !
The reach differs so much from brand to brand and in personal experience your best looking at specs not size !!
No way I would ride a large Pivot unless 90% of my riding was DH !
@@archie68x You can not compare geometries of a downhill bike vs an enduro bike though.
@@remymetailler yeah I understand that mate but my point was the geometry 📐/ reach measurement on all genres of bikes varies so much between brands !
I had a Scott Ransom in medium with a 448 reach and my Pivot Firebird is 468 and completely different bikes to ride & both Enduro bikes !
Keep up the great work mate , love your videos 🤘😎
I’m 5 ‘11. I’ve rode 4 large sized bikes and 2 medium sized bikes. I much prefer medium it’s feel way more maneuverable and fun to throw tricks on. The only time the bigger bike felt better is when your flat out downhill which Remy does a lot of
I'm a hair shorter and I've come to the same conclusion after test-riding almost a dozen bikes this year at demo events. Even at the bike park, my medium Yeti SB160 is plenty stable and fast. And certainly easier to climb and maneuver on trails.
@@Wizler71 exactly! The extra stability from a bigger size is negligible unless your racer or extremely talented. Smaller bikes look better too haha
I'm 5'10 and much prefer a medium, having tried both on a few different bikes.
I’m 5’10” and have always ridden large but every biking chart says I should be on a medium I’m thinking because of 32” inseam.
@TheRexPerkins ok but he was talking about downhill bikes. The whole video was about why he rides a large DOWNHILL bike
0:47 ohh mann that opening shot of the white and black bike against the white and black car park is just beautiful! what an inspired shot !
I'm 5'8" and always rode medium but moved to large earlier this year with longer chainstay. I love it so much, its so stable and smooth. I'll never go back to medium based on my trail style of riding,
Currently watching your new Videos regularly since I got back to biking in Summer this year. Really enjoying your content and the style auf your videos. The quality with the new equipment I instantly noticed. Keep up the great work Rémy 🙏
Glad to hear! Thank you!
Soo smooth, I’ve always ridden larger bikes than recommended. I’m not that great of a rider but the control is very noticeable and the feeling of stability is larger.
same with me.
I sized down recently and love it 😅
Awesome! I’m 5’10” and have always ridden a large I don’t count the medium I had over 20 years that I hated and mullet is bad azz! You’re gonna love it!
I’m the same height as you and find between the 450 and 460 reach is spot on. So in this case with the propane I’d already opt for the large over the medium!
Amazing video quality, pleasure to watch in 4K! Great riding as always and nice bike, too :)
Im 6'1 and used to ride mediums in the early 2000s (when geometry was horrible, super short reaches). One day I swapped my medium 2000 Stinky Deelux (with Marzocchi Jr dual crown) with a large size with the same fork. I couldn't believe how much faster i instantly went with the added stability and proper balance.
I’m 6’4” and love how XLs feel on modern enduro bikes. I ride a Kona Process 153 and that thing is long as hell. I love it.
I don't think either bike sounded very noisy. My Rocky Mountain Instinct carbon is dead quiet. Also, I'm 5'10" and my med frame has a reach of 460 mm and 438mm chainstays. You are correct about the confidence a rider feels to be centered on your bike.
Same, both clips were rather quiet lol
I feel the same like you I’am 1.92m and I ride 2 years a bike in Large and before 2 weeks I bought a new bike in XLarge and it feels much better than the bike in Large.
It all depends on the actual brand as some brands Medium are bigger than Propains large etc .
Yh my Size M Merida 160 has a 470 reach, propains are particularly short in general
You have to compare enduro bikes with enduro bikes and dh bikes with dh bikes. A Specialized Demo is quite short and a Santa Cruz V10 is almost the same.
Or a company like transition recommends you to size down if your in-between because the bike handles ALOT better when you have more weight outfront
@@remymetailler yeah. I agree. So many people in the comments are disagreeing with you but they are talking about enduro bikes. I guess they failed to understand you were talking about downhill bikes. And only downhill bikes.
@@flylilpyro1 there's alot more adjustments you can make on most downhill bikes you can can change the reach and chain stay length to accommodate what you want or feel comfortable on. Santa cruz V10 has 4 different possibilities just on the flip chip and then you can adjust reach on top of that.
Thanks for sharing your thought process. I am 6'6" (2m) and have been riding XL. I often feel very far over the front wheel and find myself muscling the bike when it gets rough. This has made me reconsider trying out a XXL.
Yeah, few people can ride like Remy, and I am not in that select group. It's interesting information and this is what I appreciate about the people who invest in new tech, or experiment with different setups. It's useful information for someone out there. Great content.
Totally agree with moving to a bike you can feel more centered in. Been riding mtb since the 80s, been on size L for the most of it, until I picked up an XL frame for a trail bike. As I have gotten older, I prefer less twitchy and more stable riding. My old Intense M9, size L, always took time to get used to feeling like I was going to immediately go OTB when I stood up. Note, as the bike geo has gotten longer the head and seat angles are making the cockpits small. For enduro or trail I use longer stems, 60mm, to get the feel I prefer now. I also go for a higher overall bar height to get the bars up, helps with old injuries.
I recommend trying a lot of different settings to find your limits, push them and then adjust your system.
I am 5'10 and over the last couple of years I started with S, switched very soon to L, went back to M for tricks, switched to mullet for stability and went back to L to be more stable and faster on for downhill tracks.
Few days ago I receive my new Cube Two15 Race which I ordered in size large. My (now) former DH bike was an oldschool 26" medium size Blindside. Being 178cm I always felt a little crumpled on that bike, but I kinda liked how it manualled with little body movements. The new one feels like diving a schoolbus... Let's see how it goes when I will get used to it.
Man Remy... I went through the same thing and tried a large and just loved it...
Hi Remy, i am 180 and i ride the XL Ekano. and it is PERFECT!
Good to hear!
Makes sense for DH. At 173cm, I had a blast on my Large Kona Process after I shrunk the reach to 465mm. I ultimately didn't like the height of the seat tube while maneuvering the bike and how it limited my dropper post travel. So something to watch for when upsizing on an enduro bike.
5’8” and I just purchased a Large hard tail, love the size.
I’m pretty comfy on large frames. 33-33.5” RAD.
6’ tall, 6’4” wingspan, 33” inseam. I ride flats and shift my feet quite far forward.
40mm stem, 780-800mm wide bars, 30-35mm rise, forward roll, 170-175 cranks.
Im 5'7"ish...I started out on a medium and have had 3 larges since....I approve of this message 👊🤙
That's not a bike, it's a master piece
I'm 5'9 and went from large to medium. Way better for my taste. Lost some stability but gained a lot in riding position and maneuverability
182cm on a 26" Medium for 25+ years, 5 years ago went to a 27.5 new school geo Medium and thought the thing was humongous. Took half a season to get used to. Tried 29 and mullet but found it too high up and too long, rather take my old 26er out. It's all personal preference.
If this were the case I'd need Ibis to make me a custom XXXL HA! 6'4". All joking aside I agree with what you're saying. Beautiful new whip!
By the end of next season, I guess I can finally buy Remy's used bike now, YAY
I ride on the east coast where trails are twisty and tight. A long bike is most times not the best. However it’s always a good idea to experiment with longer reach.
Great video as always Remy! the bike looks sick. You should do a video in a month or two so we can have a long term review aswell. Im considering buying a larger bike aswell (im 180cm), maybe ill go for a L.
Thank you! 180 for a Large is not a crazy choice. Check out the reach. It changes a lot depending on the brands.
5‘9 here and was about to order a size M just looking at the geometry charts. Fortunately I went to the Propain shop, tired an L and immediately felt at home. Didn’t regret my choice one second after 26 days in the park this year. Size charts can be deceiving.
Am 5 ft 2” always told to get a small but recently got a medium Santa Cruz megatower I feels perfect
Great spec explanation it was idiot proof
lv come from moto back ground but have included MTB for lots of reasons grin factor being the main reason
So the set up and ergos are critical for confidence and your explanation in this area is second to none
thanks for your bone saving info you proved that there can be gain without pain
I hope l can get over to BC and ride those magic trails some time soon
Cheers from the MTB maggots from down Under
I'm 180 cm, been ridden M bikes, now have an L e-enduro Cannondale with 476mm reach, 642mm stack. Feels better, as I have space for my knees everytime, but still don't have to stretch too much for handlebar.
I am 191cm (6'2), and Ekano 2 XL is perfect match. On the break rattle, Formula Cura 4 had horrible rattle, and I was loosing my mind over it, before I found out what it is. I extended plates holding the pads and that preety much removed rattle. But also teflon tape is much easier to apply there instead somethig else💪
I'm 5'7" found myself ML slash gen6 reach is perfect. The website sizing chart recommended size M with smaller reach. But, the ML frame size has the perfect 👌
I’m 6’ and have always ridden a large. I broke a frame and all they had in stock for a replacement was XL, so I went for it instead of waiting 4 months for the large. Turns out I’m a x-large; hindsight is 20/20, but I should have known since I was always installing longer stems to prevent the over the bar feeling. XL just feels right for me and as Rémy points out more stable.
My short legs and long torso is actually pointed out by the Santa Cruz sizing chart, as a reason to size up when in between sizes.
All depends on the brand also, santa cruz runs small (since they have legit XXLs) so the XL is totally in the wheelhouse for many 6' even people.
Man Propain’s bike look so sick.
I'm 172cm tall (5 7') and have a custom Marino frame with 465mm reach. I have the saddle slammed forward and run a 35mm stem, but the thing absolutely rips. My other bike is 430mm reach and switching between the two, the smaller bike feels really twitchy and takes a while to get back in sync with
I’ve realized “nimbleness” is overrated because you can always get stronger/better technically and wrangle a bigger bike to be more nimble with it, whereas you can’t add stability to a bike that’s nimble because it’s small… 😅
When you ride a moto you realize that a bike size L vs M is not a big deal:)
@@remymetailler facts
I really love your bike builds Remy 😍
@remymetailler if the bike is too short, you can play with fork offset, chage the crowns with different rack if it is posible
Fork off sets change how the bike rides too but it s an option to adjust things.
Fork offset affects trail. More trail more stability. Less offset = more trail.
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I'm disappointed Remy didn't talk about cornering more. He simply said he was surprised of how well it cornered in tight corners... Realistically, a longer bike will be worst in tight corners than a shorter bike. Where for example, a corner could be so tight that the longer bike can't fit both wheels in the corner at the same time while a shorter bike could.
I have been riding long bikes for the past 5 years. This year, I'm getting a shorter one. The wheelbase will be shorter, the reach as all, while stack will remain the same.
and to add to this. Look at world cup racers, the fast ones! They are often on very short bikes compared to us non-pro. Obviously they want to go as fast as possible and would benefit from a long bike to go fast in the straights .. but they get shorter bikes because it's easy enough to go fast on a shoter bike and significantly better for cornering.
Longer bikes really screw with your cornering and body position. Don't oversize. I have XL and L is too small, but XL too big 😢 6'2inch YT Tues
I could have detailed more, but I have not felt much negative even in tight corners. Obviously it does not turn as well, but the extra confidence and safety at speed is worth it in my opinion, especially on a bike made to go very fast.
@@atkr1 That is mostly wrong though. Most riders are bikes longer than most rider would ride.
@@remymetailler agree tight corners no issues that i see. It getting the weight over front when I mean body position. I don't like it, but hopefully get used to it. I shorten my stem 45mm from 50mm and my change the rake also. It just like 1inch too big.
Being 183cm/6' I learned that reach isn't as important as is BB to bar height for me, as long as I'm not bent over too much I don't care. Anywhere from 440 to 500 reach I'm happy with the right bar height
Agreed. Stack plays just as important a job as reach. Shorter bikes with steeper HA and taller stack will get more popular as they can be more fun to ride
Overly Long bikes are very stable but therefore dull snd lifeless for more skilled riders
@emveeess839. do you even know what your talking about..?
Your not supposed to be sitting stright up... or even sitting at all on a downhill bike. but i guess do what you want... wait, are you even talking about downhill bikes?
I agree, I can’t ride low stack bikes
Funny, im the same height and have always ridden medium. I rode my dads large and it felt suprisingly comfortable
In 2022 I bought a new bike. As a 6'4" giant I always sized down my frames, because I thought smaller frames meant a more playful bike. In 2022 I listened to my bike builder and went for a size-appropriate frame for my size. Which is XL for that company. It was also my first 29er. Immediately I thought I made a mistake as the bike felt like a cargo ship on wheels. But in a very short time, I felt right at home on the bike. It is as playful as anything before it. I for the first time feel like I'm in the bike. Not on top of it. I feel way more comfortable on a size for my body type. Its also expensive but worth it... bike fitting. Wouldn't ever buy a new bike without doing that first.
Yeah makes all the difference, its really good to know what reach and stack measurements you find most comfortable. I'm a bit shorter at closer to 6'3", but actually finding I'm enjoying Ls a bit more these days with a lot of companies as the reach measurements have grown to around 490 for many of them.
Definitely still love the XL for ultra high speed DH/park riding though!
The biggest limiting factor is seat tube length. Most manufacturers make their seat tubes too long or the seat post insertion is too short. I like Norco's approach of shorter seat tube on all frame sizes.
True for some trail bikes
I feel like people get way too hung up in height when it comes to bike sizes. I think it has way more to do with body proportions like arm and leg length, shoulder width, torso length and even riding style and the type of trails you ride the most. It's really great if you can try a bike out on the trails that you ride regularly and find the one that suits you the best.
I'm 5"9 and I ride a yt capra core 2 XXL and it is a dream ❤❤
I am 5' 7" riding road bikes and fixed gear/ss. In recent years I have moved to smaller bikes. One of my most comfortable bikes is xs! I think I may have relatively short arms and legs. I don't ride mtb at all.
I'm 5"11 (180cm) and I ride a XL (reach of 505mm) after riding L all the time. It felt perfect and much better than the L. Personal preference I guess?
Very personal and very depend on how you ride (enduro, freeride, trail, dh.) 🤘
Longer arm reach vs T-Rex arms, I'm 6" but more comfortable with a reach in between 470 and 490, depending on the bike...
@@LaurentiusTriarius That's it. The overall height is only a rough reference point. The Important figures are things like arm length, leg length, upper body length.
I am 178cm and ride a bike with 490 reach and the moment I stood on it, the fit felt perfect. I rode a 455 reach bike before (and still do, but i keep it for jumping only).
I’m 5’9” on a 495mm reach 1320mm WB bike
It seems like talented skilled riders are better at throwing larger bikes around while benefiting from the increased stability. On the contrary, regular riders (that's a vaaaast majority ) will benefit from riding a bike that is easier to maneuver, playful and turn.
Often true yes
Longer bikes make sense for DH type trails, but probably not for the trail and XC riding that many of us do.
I am 172. I bought a Rockrider L size, which is not the right size for me. Riding it doesn't have a very bad experience, but the seat position is not what I want. I have to use an adaptor to make my seat as front as possible to sit comfortably. Downing slop is OK, but when riding uphill, OH NO!!!!!! It's hurt! That is why I am planning to buy a new frame of M size or size 17!
If you ride like him and push the boundaries in speed and steep it makes sense to size up. I you are an average rider than stick with what is comfortable in your terrain and speed IMO
Remy I lvoe smaller bikes and I am very used to it I just got a medium bike however I am 178cm and might keep growing
Very coincidentally, I'm 168cm tall and have been riding size S bikes for over a decade because people always say you should try to go for a smaller size bike. It wasn't until a few days ago when I had to choose an M size enduro for various reasons that I realized that the M size actually suits me better, and that the larger size makes me feel more confident and comfortable on the bike!
same for me! i'm 166cm and ride an M
1.68 also here and M size on a GT force and Kona Process. 👍🏻
Same here. I'm 169cm and i bought a Scott Spark in S size. It seemed okay at the time and i thought nothing of it. But when i bought a Stumpy Evo, i went for an S3 which i was told was more of a medium and it felt way better size wise. So much so that features which i expected the Scott to do well, I'm doing it better on the Stumpy.
With hindsight, i shouldn't have listened to others and just bought the Scott in medium.
I'm 5'6" but usually stick to a small or medium frame. The problem for me is having short legs (& lack of skill), so always wanting a frame with a low stand-over height & being able to have the dropper post slammed all the way down. A large sized frame would probably be off limits for me!
I’m 192cm / 6’3…4” tall. I have two Spindrift one L and one M. I like the L better uphill and the M better downhill. I like to control the bike instead of being a passenger.
Before I had a G16 in L so I now what long feels like.
I highly recommend to look deep into “RAD” and “RAAD”, the solution for me was a high rise bar 50mm rise and a “short” reach bike.
Don’t be fooled by body height and reach would tell you everything you need to know.
LOOK DEEP INTO RAD AND RAAD.
I used to ride an XL Megatower. As a matter of fact, all my bikes in the past were XL. I'm pretty tall, close to 6 feet, and I'm now riding a large Megatower, and it turned out to be a better fit.
That makes sense
I'm 5'11 and ride a nomad large fits me perfectly
@aaronoconnor606 I also ride a Transition Repeater e-mbt, and that bike is an XL, and it also fits me just fine. The large Repeater felt a little too small for my long arms and long legs.
If you have long legs and a short torso, then a larger stack and a shorter reach are preferred. And if you have smaller legs and a taller torso (like you do), then you tend to have a longer reach.
I’m 5’8” and went from being super uncomfortable on a Fuji medium to super comfy on a Status S4. I’ve got shorter legs and longer torso so the reach is perfect and keeps me centered on the bike
Propain Bikes ,especially the Rage is pretty small compared to other Brands with the same frame size. But trying different sizes is never wrong :)
Propain s definitely catching up with the new Spindrift being long.
really sick bike
Same size like you, now build my second bike in XL or S5 (Specialized, Enduro and KenevoSL), but using a 0mm stem which is higher as well (plus high rise handlebar). Finally same reach as M/S3 size with 50mm stem 🤷🏻♂️ Awesome! 🤘 long bike, high-speed stability 💪
A bit extreme but I like where you head is at!
@@remymetailler It feels like it should be this way 😊 170mm AXS Reverb fully inserted fits my step length 🤷🏻♂️
Longer bikes are 100% more stable/confidence inspiring on the downs. Depends how fast you want to go. But it isn't all about reach. Wheelbase matters as much or more. In fact the reach on my DH bike is almost 30mm shorter than my trail bike and feels more stable at speed.
Great video!!! I feel people tend to go to small on bike size thinking it will be more nibble. But they end of sacrificing cockpit space and stability
Please show the fix in more details. My brakes make so much noise due to this issue. Thanks 😊
LoL...didn't hear much difference between the bike sounds. Subtitles were on for some reason while I was watching this and when Remy was riding the Rage, the subtitle said "[Applause]". It was picking up on the sound the Rage was making.
Sweet bike tho...I've been looking at the Rage since they released the 2021 version. The Rage Positive release looks awesome, might be a bike choice contender for next year. Hard decision when I'm really liking the Devinci line.
Big difference when you ride
I think when you get up to size large @reaches 470 to 510mm. Is the chainstay. I had a Commencal Meta TR with 490 reach and 435 cs. I switched to a Banshee Titan XL 495mm reach and 452 cs. The confidence on the front end of the bike was night and day.
I found out that a smaller or maybe to small bike for me was limiting the suspension. I couldn't adjust it properly to feel stable and save enough to become faster. So it felt different somehow totally different on a longer frame.
I'm 5'11" and have yet to find a size large I like riding. Rather have a med, but then I started riding in 1995 when bikes were much smaller.
If Sam Hill is your idol then you should measure your reach the R.A.D way. Its more realistic.
I'm 178cm and i recently upgraded to an M enduro and sold my L trail bike. I felt better climbing in the L, i feel like im able to apply more torque easier. The M feels noticably more manuverable but i always feel like im sitting too far back. Next season im gonna try to extend the stem and see how it feels
THE WHITE FRAME MAKES IT SO CLEAN
does propain have new rage's in stock or is this Just your coler 🤟
It's new colour!
If anyone could train a dog listen and point to the noise source on a bike then they could make a fortune for a bike shop! The trail dog could run alongside while you test ride a bike or just for a bike shop for a customer.
I need to buy one of these bikes for my TH-cam channel! A bike like this will help me get more girls and it will get me more likes
5,5ft more comfortable on mediums for rough Enduro. Size small for trail riding
I gotta medium Ibis Ripmo and it's great !
Im 5.8 I went with a large this year make all the difference just need mind n slam that seat when getting off but it's so much better for me the medium was just to short
On a Rage too?
I had similar journey, started of with a Small 2006 spech enduro, looks like a mini clown bike now .. I did have a Mondraker dune 2017 with 472mm reach, that was way too much for my size at 1m70. tried all sorts, raising bar slacken HA, to bring bars closer, is was just too much. I found my sweet spot at 455 460. Now i don't look at the size, just the reach, the seat tube height and chainstay length and wheel base. I think, length of legs versus torso and overall fitness will also play on the size of the bike even if we are the same size
Yep!
Rulezman Suspension guy has been arguing for this forever. He even rides XL bikes.
177cm riding a size large with 480mm reach. it's such a weapon riding DH with longer reach but pedaling aint great.
I love bigger bikes and typically ride an XL but the Trek I have is Large and it seems to be a big large! Specialized in my experience seem to run smaller than what they size the bikes as, got on a Pivot Firebird once and was surprised by it being a medium, but it felt like a XL…bike manufacturers must have different standards for their measurements or at least how they define a size? I don’t know🤪
The stack on this DH bike (and many others) is so high, that the reach number is a bit deceptive. It will feel a lot shorter in practice vs the number.
I'll also say that realistically we as mountain bikers make a huge fuss over 10 or 20 mm difference in reach but.. come on 25mm is just 1 inch. In the past overly long seat tubes and standover were limiting factors to riding longer bikes. Not the issue anymore for modern frames.
Same 5'7 but i'm riding my 26er frame with 27.5 wheelset
there is the key, Im not pro biker, but Im riding my allmountain rig with size XL with reach 505mm, when my height is 184cm.
For a dh a large might make sense, stable. For trail enduro i prefer z smaller boke
My s5 2021 stumpy feels faster, more planted and nicer to pedal up but before i upgraded my large 2015 (more modern medium) ensuro elite was just way more fun on everytging but the clumb ans that was likely just the gearing.
I'm ~6ft (183 cm) and my trail bike is a large, DH rigs are usually a size up...
modern bikes always up size it and install short stem
I like longer bikes and longer chainstays and high front end. And I dont like headtube angle slacker than 64°, because its too flopy in slow speed.
Ride a 450 moto, then get on a dirt jumper, then get on any average mountain bike. You will be totally lost. It doesn't matter that much. Rip the tag off and ride. Geo nerds just like having things to nerd about. Love that you spent time on a Glory! Great beginner's budget used buy.
When you ride a moto you are not too concern about a few extra mm of top tube that s for sure
Great looking bike! I ordered the Rage 3 CF yesterday but my order was cancelled because they ran out of units :(
Big bummer...
Well get the 3R!
@@remymetailler It's 1600 EUR more. Praying that you do a discount code in the future. Love your content btw, keep it up ✌
Maybe I've missed it, but as you go into detail about your frame size, it would help to know your inseam (no ahoes of course) and if your span is exactly the same as your height. As you are so downhill focussed, are you into short cranks too? What's your max. measure from centre of the pedal axle to centre of saddle rails for most efficent padalling?
As someone riding his ridged bike with the bar way below saddle niveau, optimized for the steep ascents, maybe I can learn something here.
Inseam is only a factor for seat tube height but now with posts like the OneUp dropper you can get high travel basically on any frame. I believe my inseam is about 81cm
I'm 6' and love my large frame but damn 5'7"??. Seems like the lowest seat position would basically be maxed out for someone that tall