Partition of India and the role of Quaid -e-Azam - Professor Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed - TPE
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- Professor Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is the Professor Emeritus of Political Science, Stockholm University, he has taught at LUMS and Government College, Lahore, as well. He is the author of "The Punjab Bloodied, Partitioned and Cleansed" and "Pakistan: The Garrison State", he is about to release his third book on Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed comes on The Pakistan Experience to discuss why he believes Pakistan was created as a buffer state between the Soviet Union and India by the British and the role of Quaid-e-Azam in the creation of Pakistan.
Was Jinnah working with the British?
Did the Radcliffe Award favour India or Pakistan?
Who started the massacres in Punjab?
Why did the Sikhs not join Pakistan?
Find out on this week's episode of the Pakistan Experience. Probably the most important conversation on partition that you will ever hear.
The Pakistan Experience is a podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan, and Pakistanis, through the lost art of conversation. - บันเทิง
Dear Shehzad Ghias, I am writing again to thank you from the depth of my heart for this fantastic interview you did with me. It has elicited very great interest as I see from the comments. I am grateful to all who expressed their views and most views have been very supportive. The few who disagree or are angry are also needed so that we all exchange our views freely. I wish you and Pakistan Experience all the very best for now and for your future endeavours.
After this interview I started reading your book , Its such an Masterpiece .
Dear Dr Sb u have done great job.
@@arifnasr thank you.
You have done a good research..Will definitely read your book..thanks sir
@@arvinderkang6596 thank you.
I am impressed by Dr Ishtiaq . I am already his fan . I am an Indian , a retired District Judge . Dr Ishtiaq completely changed my perception about partition . Thanks Dr Ishtiaq
Thank you very much Justice Prakash Paranjape.
@@Billumian47 Dear Sir , Only one book of yours about partition of Punjab is available in Hindi, I wish rest 2 books are also translated soon . Respect for you.
Ok parrot how many books read in ur life.
@@bbc6799 be respectful dude..😐😐
Which other Islamist radical are you a fan of? Osama ? Hafiz Sayed?
Everybody is appreciating Dr Sahaab, which is absolutely justified. But I would like to appreciate Shehzad for doing his homework and asking such thoughtful questions, kamaal!!!
Agree, from India. Wonderfully informative.
I feel sorry for the moderate thinking people who are genetically Indian but they're stuck in this fiasco called Pakistan.
What Muslims has achieved by getting Pakistan? Where it stands at international level? BUT
India has relieve from united muslim fundamentalism fanaticism through division amongst them.
India is globally today amongst top 5 gdp economy, 4th powerful military, and most stable leadership thus Pakistan has unmatched to the mighty Indians across the sectors.
Now any misadventure done by Pakistan would leading them to join the clubs of destroyed Afghanistan- Syria- Iraq.
Must be embarrasing to be a Pakistani. Apart from being tragic.
Veřy good analysis
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" koi state sacred nahi, Insaniyat sacred hai " 👌👌
Love with human partition destroy everything my 90 p family killed
@@imranyousaf5389 mera v hum rawalpindi rehtay thay
Pakistanis want a lot without working for anything. Not ready to take responsibility. Not ready to own anything. But want front role in everything. So funny.
We are the victims of Egos, Greed & personal scores and so Third party (Britishers) used this to remain (Passive) ruler even after leaving this part of word till now.
Unfortunately true and most unfortunate for us.
Absolutely right, we are the victims by our own hands
So true sir..,.it's horrifying ...but truth
@@pinturai9431 no dude...you don't know the horrors and this division lead us to never ending battle..we accomodated Hyderabad, accomodated southern states who were demanding freedom... accomodated north east are still fighting.insurgency and are negotiating with naga in Nagaland..
@@abhaypatel4292 stupid ,your answer is out of topic.only first and second line is true related to question but the rest is .
Thank you so much for inviting him. Loved it
جو اپنے آباؤ اجداد کی زمین، دریا اور مذہب سے جڑے ہوئے ہیں، وہ پانچ سال میں ایسا کر لیتے ہیں۔
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What a rooh-parwar conversation! Oh God!
I would like to say amazing for the two of you.
Just imagine Shehzad, I’m almost 50 and I don’t know anything about my own country’s past! Thanks so much for bringing logic and rationale into the Indo-Pak conversation. A million thanks to you and Professor Ishtiak for this insightful dialogue.
We need to relook at the popular narrative spun masterfully by our erstwhile rulers and current political class. We are busy shunning Nehru back home, and Professor Ishtiak is calling him a true statesman.
And the truth is in between.
Nehru will get appreciation & Redicule where deserved
Indeed Jawaharl Lal Nehru was a statement. India really needs go back to Nehruism.
Nehru created kashmir problem. By his manhandling
... Bharat needs --> Gandhi + Nehru + Patel + Shashtree + Modi + NeoModi ..... ?! @@induchopra3014
Thank you for doing these interviews and bringing these academics in my radar.
My grandmother lost her mental bearings while fleeing from karachi with one child in the belly and two in her arms. The Partition was evil and has ruined atleast 7 if not more generations. Its so unpleasant.... unbearable to hear those stories. Our grandparents lived through hell ....those who did not get killed.
Rarely do we hear such a well researched, truthful, unbiased analysis from a deeply patriotic Pakistani with regard for humanity,modesty, and truthfulness.Salute,Sir!
Yeah I was waiting for it. Thank you Shehzad❣
Extremely excellent discussion. Revelation of such facts is necessary for younger generation. True learning of history will help us to shape better future of Pakistan and the Region.
This is really an unprecedented conversation which completely eliminates the tricky myths regarding Pakistan's creation inculcated in our minds by the mafias who are dominating it right at the moment, I mean the military establishment and mollahs.. May Allah bless us with more and more Ishtaiqs so that we as a nation may be saved from further distortion.. The credit also goes to the interviewer who has made this conversation very informative and valuable by asking the best and to the point questions.. Both of you are able to be appreciated for this great feat..
Ishtiaq sir is a very balanced person .... i follow him often ..... every interview of him gives more clarity ..... about the past ..... thanks for the interview.
And because of Jinnah we Bangali had to suffere a lot he made a land part of his country that has nothing common.
@Aminah Awan better than your Pokistan 😂😂
Why did Bengalis vote for Pakistan tho
High Quality content, Great pair People, thanks a lot for doing this interview, highly appreciated 😌👌🏻
Wonderful . I am pleased with the person who interviewed Dr Ishiataq .
Just discovered your podcast series - so many good ones! And this one is amazing!
The Origin of Pakistan seems more interesting and mysterious than the origin of universe itself.
😂😂 , oh man I was all serious listening this podcast , you made my day
😂😂
the more mysterious part is it's still functioning. 😂
Nope, it was based on vote of 1946 elections.
@@vinamrasinghai2339 Pakistan map was drawn before 1942 dear. Just check it.
You are bringing forth the objective history. Pakistani masses need this much needed clarity. The books that we read after our schooling are being talked about openly. Great work. Keep it up.
Interviewer and the guest both are superb. Refreshing to hear realistic honest view from a Pakistani....
@@binurajs yes, I know him. I have read his book. Don't know the in nterviewer though..
Both of them are good One for his knowledge the other for his ignorance Which is not his fault He has studied under the Pakistani education system
Jinnah did not sacrifice or go to jail for Pakistan..he was used by British to carry out their
agenda. He was not a radical Muslim or a devout muslim..he was handpicked by British for his English and western dress..he was living in London..he was given a task,he acheived it. Thats why we dont see him stand for Sikhs. He had no mind of his own..he took orders from the British.
Shahzad this is the way to go.
Touchè buddy.
Amazing episode.
An excellent interview marred by terrible technical glitches - many crucial parts of the discussion are inaudible.
Very good and honest effort. Gr8 discussion and good homework done by host. It is pleasure to find such informed hosts.
Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed is a genius person.. His research on our history is greart... We all. INDIAN respect him a lot... Sach aise bahar anaa bohat zaroori hai... Dono countries ke liye
After a long long time I saw beautiful interview . The credit goes to Prof. Saab but credit also to the interviewer who did this interview with all sincerity . Hats off to him . Prof. Saheb you’re have broken quiet a few myths about the partition . Please do tell us about the book when it get released I am sure it will be a good read.
Biggest blunder and his history
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@@imranyousaf5389 What's this habit of Punjabis and all ethnicities who were ruled by the British. It doesn't mean that you distort history just because your masters the British gave you English schools, printing press, cinemas, radio, factories, parliament, trained armies, railways, dams, bridges and much more. NO tribal of NWFP was interested in Kashmir, especially in 1948. NWFP voted for Congress and Bacha Khan had a strong following there. NWFP used Indian and Afghan currency until 1970's. It was Punjabi army-the stooges of the British in civilian clothes who attacked Kashmir. Nehru and Indian leaders had written off Kashmir and had informed the Maharaja that he can join Pakistan, The Proxy attack by Pakistan gave India good reason to stay there permanently. After the so called "tribal" attack , Sheikh Abdullah appealed to India for help as the "tribals" ( read army) were looting and raping ( as ordered by Jinnah) the Muslim women. They were not into liberating Kashmir. India insisted that it could not help as Kashmir had not acceded to India. The Sheikh then signed the papers of accession and India sent in its army. This is how British stooge Jinnah handed over Kashmir to India. The other stooge of British aka Punjabi army is 100% responsible for the destruction of Pakistan's economy and political institutions.
Massacre of Sikhs in Rawalpindi sat off killings on either side. One of my sikh friend's mother was witness to that tragedy, as she was a child and survived by hiding.
Sikhs history is full of Muslims killing murdering Sikhs. Read their history. Read your own history. Why sikh population in Pakistan is so less???? Where are Sikhs of Pakistan????
Massacre in reply to Massacre isn't justified. If 5 thousand were killed in one area by one majority, 7 thousand got killed in reply by other majority in another area. Now what was the mistake of those 13 thousands, they were not the culprits why did they pay for the crime of other people of their believes. What happened in Rawalpindi cannt justified what happened afterwards
What a gentleman god bless him🙏.
Learned historian and a humane person.
And interviewer too is quite unbiased and great listener.
Enjoyed the insightful history lessons!!
Allama Mashriqi's grandson (Nasim Yousaf) wrote in his book published in 2007:
"The main objective of dividing India was to keep any regional power from rising against the
West. The intricacies of this are described as follows.
First, the aim was to weaken the Muslims ... On the other hand, Pakistan was also created ...to prevent the rise of
Hindus ...Through East and West wings of Pakistan, the world powers could pull India’s strings as and when desired.
India was also divided to thwart the spread of communism. It was felt that India might
go far left, and communism might spread into India, which would pose a significant threat to the
West... Hence, the West wanted to prevent the influence of communism from spreading into the region..."
1) Hidden Facts Behind British India's Freedom: A Scholarly Look Into Allama Mashraqi and Quaid-E-Azam's Political Conflict (2007), page 296
Thanks for sharing this. We must face our history. Presently in the present times where new divisive forces are again rising.
@@Diwana71 Thanks! Author Nasim Yousaf (Allama Mashriqi's grandson) views about Jinnah, Gandhi & the partition of India
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archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf
Must Read: "India & Pakistan Owe their Freedom to Allama Mashriqi"
archive.org/details/india-pakistan-owe-their-freedom-to-allama-mashriqi
@Labhesh Haria آ
@Labhesh Haria Thanks for your nice comment. You should read Mr. Nasim Yousaf's (Allama Mashriqi's grandson and researcher) books on Jinnah and Gandhi. Being a grandson of Allama sahib, he is the only researcher/author who knows the inside stories about Jinnah, Gandhi, and the partition of India. Sadly, We have never heard Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed (@Ishtiaq) Ahmed talking about Allama Mashriqi and the Khaksar Tehrik.
Mr. Yousaf's books are eye openers and areavailable on Amazon. Many of them can be downloaded. Links to Books/articles:
www.amazon.com/Nasim-Yousaf/e/B001JRVVWY
archive.org/details/@nasimyousaf
If I keep blaming my grandfathers dad for what is happening now then its my mistake not his or his times. So yes britishers caused issues but for todays situation respective countries are responsible. Also remember Jinha was pakistnai and was supported by people here. So blame doesnt help.
Amazing as dr shaib said you were fully prepared
Dear Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed , I am hugely impressed by your scholarship - I am from Mumbai India . I belong to a family which migrated from Lahore during partition and have a natural affinity for eastern Punjab . There is a raging controversy about the reason why British left India in 1947 . Congressmen & left historians give the reason that it was Congress / Gandhi & Nehru - this is also the ‘official history’ of Independent India post independence as all these historians were leaning towards Nehru’s contribution and totally ignoring the contribution of Subhash Bose and his INA .
Some recent revelations say the British were unnerved by January 1946 rebellion by British Navy and other such instances of expected rebellion and the Viceroy wanted 1 lac British troops in India to keep India under control . Also during Atlee’s visit to Calcutta in 1955/56 , when asked why British left India he said categorically INA and that Gandhi’s role in making Britain leave I dia was MINIMAL .
As you are a great historian of that period I wud request your views on this matter please .
Bose was on the left
@@anshuraj4277 don't hurt him
Hi, look from what I understand is that Atlee a British Prime Minister will never accept that 'they lost'. I mean they always believed they were superior how could they say Gandhi/Nehru/Navy Revolts made them leave India.
When the 2nd World War ended the masses were aware. They had just seen British fight Japan/Germany because they were being imperialistic (exactly what Britishers themselves were). The will of the people was strengthened by all of the above be it S.C Bose's Azad Hind Fauj + Navy Revolts + Red fort trials + Bengal Famine + Quit India Movement.
Other factors such as the Balance of power changed in favour of USA and USSR. In fact Britain themselves had to take loans from USA to reconstruct their nation. And British soldiers were done with war. They were in no mood to stay away from their families and fight in India after seeing the destruction.
Also, British rule was very much dependent on the civil servants in Indian who were themselves Indian. With the Navy Incident and Azad Hind Fauj they understood that they cannot trust the Indians anymore.
It's all a combination is what I mean, but definitely not what Atlee said, you can't expect them to not save their faces you know.
Bose was hardcore communist whereas Nehru was centrist. get your facts right
Nicely calculated interview
Appriciate both the guest and the host.
Superb convo, exemplary work !
Good interview. Enjoyed listening to the conversation.
Thank you for this. I have to away and wrap my mind around all that I learnt/ discovered today. Now I cannot I ‘us think’ the many things that emerged from this chat.
Thank you very much for this video.
Pakistan needs Academics like him such a inspirational figure...
Great work of history and truth by professor Sahab
It is heartening to note that Dr Ishtiaq Ahmad tacitly accepts the hindu roots of all Pakistanis.It is true that our caste system has done a lot of damage.
@nwfp nwfp Hinduism is not like Roman or Greek paganism. It is in fact very diverse with some sects opposing idol worship & some avowing agnosticism
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A follower of Arabian death cult won't understand the philosophy of Sanatana Dharma.
You stick with fantasies of An illetrate Arabian warlord
Caste is an English word. Please find the Indian word that we used for caste and come and reply here. When you find that word, research what it means, where it comes from, writings about those words.
This is such a good effort at bringing out information unique to the painful partition! You got a new subscriber!
I'm here for first time.
Dr. Ishtiyaq seems a very thoughtful and rational. Peoples like him changing the pre conceived motion about creation of Pakistan.
Every Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi should have aware about the great game!!
Hindus and Muslims was very safe in a common sky, then why the separatist politics uprised exponentially during 40's ? That was definitely an external encouragement for the same.
1. Majority Muslims was Safe in Hindu king rule (kashmir)
2. Muslims and Hindus were safe in Sikh ruled Punjab.
3. Hindus was safe in long Prosperous Mughal Empire.
4. Later, Hindus and Muslims both were very happy and prosperous during reigns of Muslim Nababs of Bengal.
5. Muslim, Christian, parsis, Jain's had no Issue in Mighty Maratha Empire, Even the founder of maratha Empire, sivaji had muslim cannonman (topchi). 'the most value war weapons during mediaeval period'.
Indian Subcontinent can't be prosperous without unifying. And we oppose it.... This is our unfortunate.
I think Dr. Ishitaq mentioned one very important point. Gandhi was there in the midst of massacre urging people to stop killing. And where was Jinnah. Nowhere.
Yesterday I bought the book.. Punjab bloodied. partitioned.... I am reading it today..... Superb work and superb book by Shri istiyaq Ahmad Sir
From where
Hindi version or english one
@@navneetsingh8169 english version.... I think no hindi version is available... I bought online from Amazon
Can u plz post the link here
@@navneetsingh8169 www.amazon.in/dp/8129129612?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
@@navneetsingh8169 it's printed price is Rs. 495 but Amazon charged 712 ruppe.so try any other way to purchase...
Again l like to say thanks from core of my heart because your work is very much informative because I am a student of history and there is no different between your and my views partition of India and due to visionary approach of J.L. Nehru that our democracy remain save till today
Very informative interview and thank you both for both arranging and conducting the meeting and enlightening us. Gems of reason and wisdom from the hard work of Dr. Ahmad.
Loved every beat of this interview. He's so impartial and presented the details beautifully with arguments.
Shahzad, you are a case study against those who say: man is selfish by nature. Wonderful work!
Waiting for sir third book . I have also read his other two books
People should also read these books.
Can you tell me his book list?
Bhai per ye books mileyeingi kuhan ???
جو اپنے آباؤ اجداد کی زمین، دریا اور مذہب سے جڑے ہوئے ہیں، وہ پانچ سال میں ایسا کر لیتے ہیں۔
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Intellectual & straight forward person. regards from India.
Kudos to the host and Hats off to Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed! So clear and crystal his analysis... I am eager to read his book.
Hope this interview is widely watched in India and also acknowledge Nehru tried to stop partition. Thanks for all the information in simplified manner. Didn’t know you before but got to know about your sojourn in our treasure, India. Have a nice time here.
Loved how he complimented him on his interviewing skills
Prof.Istiaq Ahmed is a great author and you are a great Anker. Good 👍 interview
Ok I think I am addicted to Dr. Ahmed - have listened to him back to back over the last week or so and still I want more and have heaps of questions.
Another brilliant interview
Fresh insight. Thank you.
Good discussion. Very insightful.
Really impressed and astonished to hear ishtiyaq sir.
I am Mohammad saajid from kashmir india
Dude i love this show. you're the best shehzad 🌻💜
Thank you for coming up with such an amazing content 👏
If sikh had allied with jinnah ..theirs all existence had been disappeared and lived in conflict and gone mad with islamic violent
But at least they would be able to put a sentence together🤷🏻♂️
Sikh should convert Muslim girls in Punjab India
@@raushan7856 They spared Malerkotla.
@@Kinginthenorth64 like your cricketers?
Dr Ishtiaq Saheb , lots of respect from New Delhi and big thanx to the brilliant interviewer
Fantastic interview and insights...
Look forward to more informed and balanced interview
A remarkable interview. The honesty and insight shown by both interviewer and interviewee are unprecedented for a Pakistani program. I wish your channel all the very best. Hope you grow to have a million subscribers.
Thank You very much sir for this clarity.
Commendable effort Shahjad. Indeed impressed with u !! Listening Dr Ishtiaq is always a pleasure. Hope u can share relavant links. Plz have more sessions with him. Wish u succes in all ur endeavours !!
In awe of Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed’s intellectual honesty, clarity of thought, eloquence and mastery of subject. His thorough research and evidence based conclusions in an attempt to analyse a bloody and bitter part of our mutual history is delivered with refreshing transparency. In the polarised world of today where propaganda rules the sound waves, Prof. Dr Ishtiaq’s enlightened voice is so very welcome. His research and voice should be amplified as much possible.
ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES SO FAAAAAAR!
An excellent contribution by both on the issue, well done Dr Ishtiaq sahib
Very enlightening, I wish many more such shows on Indian history.
IM just glad that there are honest conversations are happening in Pakistan. I hope both countries realise that their best interest is in moving forward together. But for that both countries need to put their houses in order.
Then who stops u people to have a conversation over caste based discrimination in India ??
@@PradeepSaddha0 it is happening since I was born. In school books it was written caste based discrimination is social evil. There are intellectuals, movies, books which are applauded and there is a ongoing conversation as long as I remember. In urban areas caste based discrimination is declined. In villages my generation is also quite aware and keep
harmony with people from different caste and religion. You have to see it in broader perspective. There are still people who does this but they are not entertained in mainstream.
@@Vk-sk7nm no I don agree that it has been declined or moving towards dat side, it has become micro in urban areas, I live in delhi i was born in delhi n brought up in delhi, i know caste system is an integral part of Hindu religion, if you see Hindu without aste system Hindu religion starts collapsing.. so no need to say it is declined it is moving towards a more complex form which will definitely create a type of situation of civil war, on the top of the hierarchy will suffer the most.
That’ll take……. 500 years
@@dharmicindia6325 it starts happening, in lower strata, low caste groups start organizing in India as well as in Europe and US...
Best podcast on this channel till date my god!!
It's very Informative interview. .. and very good knowledgeable anchor.....
Great interview. I have never seen such an unbiased interview.
yar the interview was soo much interesting eye opening.. but Doktor saab ki awaz baar baar cut rahi thi.. plz ask him to improve his internet connection.. coz i couldnot understand alot of the words...
It is amazing to hear Professor Saab speak in English and Hindi/Urdu fluently. he probably knows other European languages as well.
He knows Swedish. He is a citizen of Sweden.
Vow wat a realistic interview...loved it ,,fan of Mr Ishtiaq Ahmad love his honest opinions ...such honesty coming from pakistan hv never seen,,,the interviewer was also amazing
Sir Ishtiaq AhmedI have always had a great respect towards your scholarship and my sincere regards to your health and happiness! Your scholarship might reach us both India and Pakistan as two prosperous Nation Sates!
Thank you very much Sat Biswas ji.
SALUTE TO DOCTOR ISHTIAQ AHMED.
Shahzad has been doing a great job. Such priceless podcasts. 👍👍👍
I immensely respect Dr. Ishtiaq. He has given me a true and an unbiased details on the background history of independence. Thank you Dr. Ishtiaq.
Great discussion... Lot of food for thought.
Such unopinionated raw facts. Full of intelectual juice. Love from Indian Australian.
Thank you so much for such an illuminating podcast. It really helped to unshackle my mind from the mountain of absurdities that was fed since childhood.
Dear Prof Ishtiaq - thanks in advance and best regards
So great! Salute
V true thanks allot God bless you 😇
I think partition deserves a TV series
Good objective research work by Ithtiaq Ahmed .
really appreciate...
Brilliant interview, absolutely loved it.
All Indians are indebted to Jinnah for partitioning India. But for him, India would not have been where it is now!! Of course, the same is true with Pakistan too!!
Absolutely. But all the rich Hindus and Sikhs who formed about 40% of the then west British India were reduced to dust and lost everything. They used to literally run Lahore, Karachi, Sialkot, Multan, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Hyderabad and Dhaka. Their bungalows are still there, albeit in dilapidated state , for everyone to see. 😢
Hey Brother and fellow scholar, excellent discussion. Love and Respect from Calcutta
Very nice discussion. I like the brave ppl in Pakistan who r struggling for a better pak.
Where did this guy come from? Good work by the interviewer as well. Good to see people knowing their stuff!
@@binurajs If you like fiction good read
Great man Possibly the best Pakistani historian
@@thafeez786 I lived the Partition. What fiction are you talking about?
Finally, voice of reason. True history is out to read and share. Bravo.
Mazaa aa gaya yaar….. I love history and today listening to this interview, I learnt so much about the partition, the mindset of the leaders and the circumstances prevailing at that time…..!! One very important thing I have observed in most of the interviews and discussions of the Pakistani intellectual is that they are very open in accepting the mistakes made by their leaders, the Islamic fanaticism that has harmed them and the ills that are plaguing their society but I feel in India we are still not having those open and honest debates wherein we critically review what is going wrong in our society or what needs to be corrected. We are still consumed in the euphoria of our economic success. We need some personalities like Shehzad to highlight the ills of the nation and anchor some honest and critical debates…. but overall, thanks Dr Sahib and thanks Shehzad for this wonderful insight !!
Uff mazaa aah giya, yaar. An excellent & highly informative podcast. Just one concern: please be careful of the audio quality of future podcasts considering Professor Ahmed's voice kept getting choppy at times (albeit thankfully it was limited). That bit really made it hard to focus on the argument being presented & sorta ruined the whole immersion element at times.
Edit: And that closing by the good professor Dr: "warna you're all worth burning in hell". Pehlay tou I was an avid listener/student. Ab tou I'm a confirmed fan ;)