I think informing the public more widely throughout communities about what schizophrenia is and how it affects the people suffering from it, so they better understand what they go through could be helpful. They’re are many stigmas surrounding schizophrenia and most people look down on these people, laugh at them and rather ignore their existence. If more people were informed that would be a step into helping people suffering from schizophrenia
@Richard Sorry I took so long to reply, TH-cam deletes comments you try to edit too many times. This is still incomplete as I haven't fully comprehended the 2nd study and maybe a 3rd but I will fix that soon, especially if a get a reply as a reminder. I'm going to tell the 2nd person too. If you want to talk to me on discord, i can set that up. Anyways, education is meant to take care of the thought disorder as it teaches you to think logically or that learning creates logic. maybe as early as middle school but definitely in high school, they teach critical thinking so that would likely take care of delusions because are learning to learn properly and a general understanding of science reduces the likelihood of creating new delusions. Read and writing, along with math, take care of the thought disorder while social studies teaches critical thinking as early as middle school though this may fuel paranoia. In middle school and beyond, they try to teach critical thinking and there may be specialized class sessions for that. you would be in special education which would teach how people socialize so you would actually know if they're talking about you, unless you're completely hallucinating entire conversations but in that case, you would have antipsychotics to aid you. Though that alone is not likely to cut it as you may get bored without delusions and create new ones. Its meant to put out the initial fire but you need to know why you have certain delusions, hallucinations and for that, you need psychotherapy. You need to talk about how cognitive remediation therapy treats schizophrenia see if any treatment centers in Florida takes online patients. My speech language pathologist told me that therapists may not advertise that they know how to do such therapy so calling around, may not be a waste of time. Since there are such serious global deficits in key functions in both verbal and non-verbal memory, executive function, abstraction, processing speed, memory, attention and spatial reasoning, you can read more here: Cognitive Remediation in Schizophrenia www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569160/.What it also talks about that is somewhat unpredictable, is that "Top Down" can be used, especially if modified to include everyday tasks, either with direct training, or because they're recognizable and higher-level thinking is dormant somewhere in the mind. It talked about genetic predispositions to learning potential, but that's something IQ tests can cover, past school grades, and is more something for the therapist to learn. Developing a Cognitive Training Strategy for First-Episode Schizophrenia: Integrating Bottom-Up and Top-Down Approaches: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256669/ Cognitive Remediation Sessions in the UCLA First-Episode Schizophrenia Study Table and Description of programs used: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256669/table/T1/?report=objectonly " A key principle for facilitating generalization and durability of gains from cognitive remediation in NEAR is incorporation of proven educational learning principles that teach fundamental problem-solving strategies, such as concept formation, reasoning, and planning" So I'm partially right to say that a conventional education approach would work from schizophrenia because the "Top-Down" approach is valid but Bottom-Up is likely required for TBI and Stroke and those with sensory impairments or misjudgments in schizophrenia. These Programs likely cost a pretty penny each so if you cant afford it, id recommend you use on of the locations here: www.nld.org These are some cognitive training websites: the 1st one is definitely challenging but the 2nd one may be underwhelming, at least at first: www.identifor.com www.cogmed.com www.brainhq.com/?v4=true&fr=y Google metacognition, or “thinking about thinking” They mention TMS which I've heard of and andonal transcranial direct current stimulation do show positive cognnitive results on schizophrenic and non-schizophrenic patients and since most states have opted to expand Medicaid, you should be able to get treatment so long as you need these criteria: www.greenbrooktms.com/tms-faqs-does-insurance-cover-tms-therapy. These are the types of vitamins and minerals you'll need to recover, along with B12 and omega-3s and fish oil.: www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2015/08/24/Psychosis-and-malnutrition Cognitive Remediation in Schizophrenia:www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569160/ It says Cognitive enhancement therapy is best used along with it: www.cognitiveenhancementtherapy.com/manual/ This may be a little too low level but secret files and count down may be a little challenging but, this is just the stuff they're giving for free: www.www.happyneuronpro.com/en/info/cognitive-remediation-schizophrenia/ www.happyneuronpro.com/en/free-cognitive-activities-for-adults/free-worksheets-37/packet-37-reasoning/ www.happyneuronpro.com/en/free-cognitive-activities-for-adults/free-worksheets-40/?last www.happyneuronpro.com/en/features-cognitive-therapy-exercises/#user-management www.happyneuronpro.com/en/the-program/home-training/ www.happyneuronpro.com/en/?noredirect www.happyneuronpro.com/en/the-program/exercises/ www.happyneuronpro.com/en/the-program/digital-cognitive-exercises/ news.happyneuronpro.com/what-is-near/ This is just stating that this has strong support from the American Physchological Association div12.org/treatment/cognitive-remediation-for-schizophrenia/ I just didn't want this to crowd out other sources that I felt where more important. Interesting result from this source www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256669/ :Developing a Cognitive Training Strategy for First-Episode Schizophrenia: Integrating Bottom-Up and Top-Down Approaches. "A prominent example of the bottom-up approach is Neurocognitive Enhancement Therapy (NET) (M. Bell, et al., 2001; M. Bell, et al., 2003), which involves the use of cognitive remediation programs originally developed for people with traumatic brain injury (Bracy, 1994). Elementary perceptual and simple attentional focusing skills are initially trained through repeated drill and practice exercises using computer programs from the CogRehab series developed by Psychological Software Services (Bracy, 1995). As criterion levels of performance are reached in these low-level processes, the modules from the CogRehab series then progress to working memory and long-term verbal and visual memory. Several studies by Bell and colleagues have shown that neurocognitive skills can be improved using NET in the context of a work therapy (WT) program (M. Bell, et al., 2001; Bryson & Bell, 2003). The group receiving NET+WT compared with WT alone showed significant improvement in executive functioning and working memory (M. Bell, et al., 2001). Of those participants who received NET+WT, 60% improved on some measure of neurocognition and many of those individuals showed significant improvement in executive functioning and working memory. In fact, the number of people with normal working memory performance increased significantly from 45% to 77% as compared to an overall decrease for those receiving WT alone."
@@steamnamebbderinvade__ I'm a general practitioner and soon-to-be psychiatrist, I'm extremely interested in the field of schizophrenia specially from a "conservative", psychotherapeutic approach and this really interests me, do you happen to have any more information on this, or know where I can learn more about it? Thanks!
My husband needs help. He has advanced schizophrenia among other things. I discovered that he's been using meth. He has lost his sense of self. I used the word advanced because that is the word that was used when our most recent physician gave him this diagnosis. He suffers from auditory and visual hallucinations. He has been seen demons for the past 48 hours and I am afraid. He is a very talented artist. It was his eccentricities that attracted me to him in the 1st place. His doctor cut him off from his antipsychotics because he missed his last appointment. He is nearing a catatonic state and everything in me wants to turn that doctor in. The physical symptoms of schizophrenia are the most painful thing to witness. He cannot drive due to flashes of demons that make him jump and appear startled and terrified. I do not know if you will read this because I know you are a busy man. My rambling may appear incoherent because I am very upset and crying. I believe that committing my husband would only serve to exacerbate his paranoia. He spent many years in prison so being locked up without the freedom to leave is a terrifying prospect. I do not know how to help him. He is a fascinating charismatic human being. He would go hungry to make sure a stray dog or cat was fed. He deserves comfort, peace of mind, and compassion. How do I help this very unique indivisual climb out of the hell that he is living in.....? Please say something profound, please tell me how to help him.
Well I think it’s so interesting about Jordan Peterson is that his specialty was an alcohol addiction. And this I have no doubt stemmed from his own history of being an alcoholic. But I think it’s even worse that he is basically saying in no uncertain terms that he doesn’t know any other way to help addicts. Forgive me… But isn’t he supposed to be a specialist in this field? Then he throws that this obtuseness @1:24-1:29isn’t this man supposed to be a former therapist? Doesn’t have a PhD in clinical psychology? It doesn’t seem to be “obvious to me“ that he wasn’t a very good one of this is his take on addiction in combination with mental illness. And his reliance upon rather overly dramatic prose is not only irritating, it’s basically a rhetorical hand wave of the problem that he is not only failing to address but failing to demonstrate his expertise upon. Not to mention I find his asinine circular reasoning to be quite glaring. He says if you want to help homeless people that are mentally ill he says “talk to them“ but then he contradicts himself with platitudes about “they don’t want to be helped.“ But then he says “don’t assume they don’t want to be helped“. So which is it? And then I love how he throws out this whole “it’s a very complex problem“. Yeah? Is that supposed to be profound? We are aware that it is A complex problem, but he’s not giving you actual solutions to the problem ironically though he is supposed to be an “expert“. And I believe he is actually speaking from his own experience with mental illness as opposed to his experience as a health practitioner helping people with mental illness and addiction. He himself was an alcoholic for quite a long time, then there was also his addiction to benzodiazepine. Which I found incredibly farcical because his dosage increased so exponentially… You would think his expertise in addiction would have been able to provide him some kind of proverbial red light to stop that addiction. And then of course instead of actually taking proven methods to overcome his addiction… He decided to undertake an incredibly dangerous medical procedure that could’ve killed him and I do believe has seriously exacerbated what was already wrong with him. I would like to point out one little ironic caveat. Jordan Peterson said “put your house in order before you criticize the world“. I am paraphrasing of course, but the irony here… Is that his own houses is clearly in incredible disarray, and yet he feels the need to make heavy criticisms of the world while providing prescriptions that border on cliché. He is clearly mentally unwell and honestly is in no position to be giving anyone advice on how to address the mentally ill or the homeless. If I remember correctly he actually was diagnosed by a psychiatrist and schizophrenic. I think there might be something to that because when you look at Jordan Peterson lecturing and when you read his works you find that his thinking and reasoning is very garbled and confused. He goes off on tangents a lot, and has difficulty arriving at an actual point let alone clarifying what point he was attempting to make. He can start off rather strong with a basic premise that makes sense but then he just veers off with this stream of consciousness method of speaking. You see this in his writing as well. Basically, it seems to be speaking and writing of a man who is clearly mentally unwell. And another thing that stands out to me that Jordan Peterson is mentally unwell is he clearly has delusions of grandeur and a bit of a messiah complex. He came to fame because he lied about a federal bill, C 16. He started all this alarmist sophistry about “compelled speech“ regardless of the fact that the bill had nothing to do with that even remotely. But what I think is the worst part about the whole Jordan Peterson problem is that along with his delusions of grandeur and reliance is severely misplaced sense of expertise and knowledge, is that the people that should have been wrangling him in and trying to bring him back to a sense of cognitive sobriety just let him speak. Then of course he hopped onto the coattails of the growing sense of “alternative facts“ that was starting to grow within the body politics of not just Canada but also the United States. He took full advantage of this, regardless that his rise to fame was predicated upon a lie. So on top of being mentally unwell, he’s also a cynical opportunist as well as a sophist. But I think where he has ultimately ended up is worse than how he started: his mental state has clearly declined and he’s being emboldened by people like Ben Shapiro and even his own daughter because they want to take advantage of his fan base. And of course he, Peterson I mean, being so full of himself on top of being mentally ill and most likely neurologically damaged, just goes along with it. Forgive me if I seem to have gone off into the weeds a little bit, but I just want to point out that this man is in no position, and I don’t think he ever has been for that matter, to give advice on how to address the mentally ill and the homeless. He hand waves away potential solutions that are proven to work with treating the mentally ill and the homeless because he himself has never dealt with his own mental illnesses.
@@freezkoh multiple ideas if you care to know. For one thing we need to actually re-engage the disenfranchised back into the economy. What that means is that we need to have public works programs, better social safety nets, get rid of the privatized healthcare system of the United States, have better social support systems and take better steps towards having an economy that isn’t geared towards maximizing shareholder value. That is just some ideas that I have, actual ideas that worked in the past. Any further questions?
Doesn’t seem to me that he is supportive of any type of treatment with regards to mental illness. At least none that is demonstrated here. Or are you talking about “coercive treatment“ with regards to another topic that isn’t covered in this video?
I think informing the public more widely throughout communities about what schizophrenia is and how it affects the people suffering from it, so they better understand what they go through could be helpful. They’re are many stigmas surrounding schizophrenia and most people look down on these people, laugh at them and rather ignore their existence. If more people were informed that would be a step into helping people suffering from schizophrenia
" a nightmare of insane complexity" wow thanks 😊
The other thing psychologists don't get is that schizophrenia REQUIRES re-education from a academic standpoint.
@Richard I don’t know personally, I’m trying to find out the same for myself but I hope you are doing okay in your struggle ❤️.
@Richard Sorry I took so long to reply, TH-cam deletes comments you try to edit too many times. This is still incomplete as I haven't fully comprehended the 2nd study and maybe a 3rd but I will fix that soon,
especially if a get a reply as a reminder. I'm going to tell the 2nd person too. If you want to talk to me on discord, i can set that up.
Anyways, education is meant to take care of the thought disorder as it teaches
you to think logically or that learning creates logic. maybe as early as middle school but definitely
in high school, they teach critical thinking so that would likely take care of delusions because are learning to learn properly and a general understanding of science reduces the likelihood of creating new delusions. Read and writing, along with math, take care of the thought disorder while social studies teaches critical thinking as early as middle school though this may fuel paranoia.
In middle school and beyond, they try to teach critical thinking and there may be specialized class sessions for that.
you would be in special education which would teach how people socialize so you would actually know if they're
talking about you, unless you're completely hallucinating entire conversations but in that case, you would
have antipsychotics to aid you. Though that alone is not likely to cut it as you may get bored without delusions
and create new ones. Its meant to put out the initial fire but you need to know why you have certain delusions,
hallucinations and for that, you need psychotherapy.
You need to talk about how cognitive remediation therapy treats schizophrenia see if any treatment centers in Florida takes online patients. My speech language pathologist told me that therapists may not advertise that they know how to do such therapy so calling around, may not be a waste of time. Since there are such serious global deficits in key functions in both verbal and non-verbal memory, executive function, abstraction, processing speed, memory, attention and spatial reasoning, you can read more here: Cognitive Remediation in Schizophrenia www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569160/.What it also talks about that is somewhat unpredictable, is that "Top Down" can be used, especially if modified to include everyday tasks, either with direct training, or because they're recognizable and higher-level thinking is dormant somewhere in the mind.
It talked about genetic predispositions to learning potential, but that's something IQ tests can cover, past school grades, and is more something for the therapist to learn.
Developing a Cognitive Training Strategy for First-Episode Schizophrenia: Integrating Bottom-Up and Top-Down Approaches: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256669/
Cognitive Remediation Sessions in the UCLA First-Episode Schizophrenia Study Table and Description of programs used: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256669/table/T1/?report=objectonly
" A key principle for facilitating generalization and durability of gains from cognitive remediation in NEAR is incorporation of proven educational learning principles that teach fundamental problem-solving strategies,
such as concept formation, reasoning, and planning" So I'm partially right to say that a conventional education approach would work from schizophrenia because the "Top-Down" approach is valid but Bottom-Up is likely required for TBI and Stroke and those with sensory impairments or misjudgments in schizophrenia.
These Programs likely cost a pretty penny each so if you cant afford it, id recommend you use on of the locations here: www.nld.org
These are some cognitive training websites: the 1st one is definitely challenging but the 2nd one may be underwhelming, at least at first: www.identifor.com www.cogmed.com www.brainhq.com/?v4=true&fr=y
Google metacognition, or “thinking about thinking”
They mention TMS which I've heard of and andonal transcranial direct current stimulation do show positive cognnitive results on schizophrenic and non-schizophrenic patients and since most states have opted to expand Medicaid,
you should be able to get treatment so long as you need these criteria: www.greenbrooktms.com/tms-faqs-does-insurance-cover-tms-therapy.
These are the types of vitamins and minerals you'll need to recover, along with B12 and omega-3s and fish oil.: www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2015/08/24/Psychosis-and-malnutrition
Cognitive Remediation in Schizophrenia:www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569160/
It says Cognitive enhancement therapy is best used along with it: www.cognitiveenhancementtherapy.com/manual/
This may be a little too low level but secret files and count down may be a little challenging but, this is just the stuff they're giving for free:
www.www.happyneuronpro.com/en/info/cognitive-remediation-schizophrenia/
www.happyneuronpro.com/en/free-cognitive-activities-for-adults/free-worksheets-37/packet-37-reasoning/
www.happyneuronpro.com/en/free-cognitive-activities-for-adults/free-worksheets-40/?last
www.happyneuronpro.com/en/features-cognitive-therapy-exercises/#user-management
www.happyneuronpro.com/en/the-program/home-training/
www.happyneuronpro.com/en/?noredirect
www.happyneuronpro.com/en/the-program/exercises/
www.happyneuronpro.com/en/the-program/digital-cognitive-exercises/
news.happyneuronpro.com/what-is-near/
This is just stating that this has strong support from the American Physchological Association
div12.org/treatment/cognitive-remediation-for-schizophrenia/
I just didn't want this to crowd out other sources that I felt where more important.
Interesting result from this source www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4256669/ :Developing a Cognitive Training Strategy for First-Episode Schizophrenia: Integrating Bottom-Up and Top-Down Approaches.
"A prominent example of the bottom-up approach is Neurocognitive Enhancement Therapy (NET) (M. Bell, et al., 2001; M. Bell, et al., 2003), which involves the use of cognitive remediation programs originally developed for people with
traumatic brain injury (Bracy, 1994). Elementary perceptual and simple attentional focusing skills are initially trained through repeated drill and practice exercises using computer programs from the CogRehab series developed by Psychological Software Services (Bracy, 1995). As criterion levels of performance are reached in these low-level processes, the modules from the CogRehab series then progress to working memory and long-term verbal and visual memory.
Several studies by Bell and colleagues have shown that neurocognitive skills can be improved using NET in the context of a work therapy (WT) program (M. Bell, et al., 2001; Bryson & Bell, 2003).
The group receiving NET+WT compared with WT alone showed significant improvement in executive functioning and working memory (M. Bell, et al., 2001). Of those participants who received NET+WT, 60% improved on some measure of neurocognition and many of those individuals showed significant improvement in executive functioning and working memory. In fact, the number of people with normal working memory performance increased significantly from 45% to 77% as compared to an overall decrease for those receiving WT alone."
@@patrickbateman9204 I have my reply up if you're interested.
@Richard Btw, it may help you to read Michelle Garcia Winner
@@steamnamebbderinvade__ I'm a general practitioner and soon-to-be psychiatrist, I'm extremely interested in the field of schizophrenia specially from a "conservative", psychotherapeutic approach and this really interests me, do you happen to have any more information on this, or know where I can learn more about it? Thanks!
Is that an AC-30???
Great
Is this the famous Jordan Peterson?
My husband needs help. He has advanced schizophrenia among other things. I discovered that he's been using meth. He has lost his sense of self. I used the word advanced because that is the word that was used when our most recent physician gave him this diagnosis. He suffers from auditory and visual hallucinations. He has been seen demons for the past 48 hours and I am afraid. He is a very talented artist. It was his eccentricities that attracted me to him in the 1st place.
His doctor cut him off from his antipsychotics because he missed his last appointment. He is nearing a catatonic state and everything in me wants to turn that doctor in. The physical symptoms of schizophrenia are the most painful thing to witness. He cannot drive due to flashes of demons that make him jump and appear startled and terrified. I do not know if you will read this because I know you are a busy man. My rambling may appear incoherent because I am very upset and crying. I believe that committing my husband would only serve to exacerbate his paranoia. He spent many years in prison so being locked up without the freedom to leave is a terrifying prospect.
I do not know how to help him. He is a fascinating charismatic human being. He would go hungry to make sure a stray dog or cat was fed. He deserves comfort, peace of mind, and compassion. How do I help this very unique indivisual climb out of the hell that he is living in.....?
Please say something profound, please tell me how to help him.
How is your husband now?
Well I think it’s so interesting about Jordan Peterson is that his specialty was an alcohol addiction. And this I have no doubt stemmed from his own history of being an alcoholic. But I think it’s even worse that he is basically saying in no uncertain terms that he doesn’t know any other way to help addicts. Forgive me… But isn’t he supposed to be a specialist in this field? Then he throws that this obtuseness @1:24-1:29isn’t this man supposed to be a former therapist? Doesn’t have a PhD in clinical psychology? It doesn’t seem to be “obvious to me“ that he wasn’t a very good one of this is his take on addiction in combination with mental illness. And his reliance upon rather overly dramatic prose is not only irritating, it’s basically a rhetorical hand wave of the problem that he is not only failing to address but failing to demonstrate his expertise upon.
Not to mention I find his asinine circular reasoning to be quite glaring. He says if you want to help homeless people that are mentally ill he says “talk to them“ but then he contradicts himself with platitudes about “they don’t want to be helped.“ But then he says “don’t assume they don’t want to be helped“. So which is it? And then I love how he throws out this whole “it’s a very complex problem“. Yeah? Is that supposed to be profound? We are aware that it is A complex problem, but he’s not giving you actual solutions to the problem ironically though he is supposed to be an “expert“.
And I believe he is actually speaking from his own experience with mental illness as opposed to his experience as a health practitioner helping people with mental illness and addiction. He himself was an alcoholic for quite a long time, then there was also his addiction to benzodiazepine. Which I found incredibly farcical because his dosage increased so exponentially… You would think his expertise in addiction would have been able to provide him some kind of proverbial red light to stop that addiction. And then of course instead of actually taking proven methods to overcome his addiction… He decided to undertake an incredibly dangerous medical procedure that could’ve killed him and I do believe has seriously exacerbated what was already wrong with him.
I would like to point out one little ironic caveat. Jordan Peterson said “put your house in order before you criticize the world“. I am paraphrasing of course, but the irony here… Is that his own houses is clearly in incredible disarray, and yet he feels the need to make heavy criticisms of the world while providing prescriptions that border on cliché. He is clearly mentally unwell and honestly is in no position to be giving anyone advice on how to address the mentally ill or the homeless. If I remember correctly he actually was diagnosed by a psychiatrist and schizophrenic. I think there might be something to that because when you look at Jordan Peterson lecturing and when you read his works you find that his thinking and reasoning is very garbled and confused. He goes off on tangents a lot, and has difficulty arriving at an actual point let alone clarifying what point he was attempting to make. He can start off rather strong with a basic premise that makes sense but then he just veers off with this stream of consciousness method of speaking. You see this in his writing as well. Basically, it seems to be speaking and writing of a man who is clearly mentally unwell. And another thing that stands out to me that Jordan Peterson is mentally unwell is he clearly has delusions of grandeur and a bit of a messiah complex. He came to fame because he lied about a federal bill, C 16. He started all this alarmist sophistry about “compelled speech“ regardless of the fact that the bill had nothing to do with that even remotely. But what I think is the worst part about the whole Jordan Peterson problem is that along with his delusions of grandeur and reliance is severely misplaced sense of expertise and knowledge, is that the people that should have been wrangling him in and trying to bring him back to a sense of cognitive sobriety just let him speak. Then of course he hopped onto the coattails of the growing sense of “alternative facts“ that was starting to grow within the body politics of not just Canada but also the United States. He took full advantage of this, regardless that his rise to fame was predicated upon a lie. So on top of being mentally unwell, he’s also a cynical opportunist as well as a sophist. But I think where he has ultimately ended up is worse than how he started: his mental state has clearly declined and he’s being emboldened by people like Ben Shapiro and even his own daughter because they want to take advantage of his fan base. And of course he, Peterson I mean, being so full of himself on top of being mentally ill and most likely neurologically damaged, just goes along with it.
Forgive me if I seem to have gone off into the weeds a little bit, but I just want to point out that this man is in no position, and I don’t think he ever has been for that matter, to give advice on how to address the mentally ill and the homeless. He hand waves away potential solutions that are proven to work with treating the mentally ill and the homeless because he himself has never dealt with his own mental illnesses.
Do you have a better idea?
@@freezkoh multiple ideas if you care to know. For one thing we need to actually re-engage the disenfranchised back into the economy. What that means is that we need to have public works programs, better social safety nets, get rid of the privatized healthcare system of the United States, have better social support systems and take better steps towards having an economy that isn’t geared towards maximizing shareholder value.
That is just some ideas that I have, actual ideas that worked in the past. Any further questions?
So he’s not for coercive treatment?
Doesn’t seem to me that he is supportive of any type of treatment with regards to mental illness. At least none that is demonstrated here.
Or are you talking about “coercive treatment“ with regards to another topic that isn’t covered in this video?