Making a Homemade CARABINER from Damascus Steel! Part 2
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Alec, go speak to DMM, based in Llanberis, to see how they forge them en-mass. That would be a cool vid in a similar vein to your visit to Tata steelworks or when you went to your local foundry
That *would* be cool to see! 😄
I was literally going to say the same, it's a fascinating factory and would make an awesome video
obviously it goes without saying that Damascus and Aluminium have different tensile strength. So please just be careful on how much fall/sheer pressure is applied when you use it.
Otherwise nice one! have fun!
It’s gonna be a heavy caribeaner…. But unless it totally delaminates the steel will be so much stronger than aluminum.
It'll probably be stronger but I don't see the 2 of them actually using it for proper spelunking.
Steel carabiners would actually be stronger than aluminum ones they would also be a lot heavier so if you’re doing a long climb, where do you need a lot of carabiners for supports it would get really heavy.
Alec, your work is phenomenal, so I propose a challenge to you, to produce all the hardware of an electric guitar in damascus steel. It would be really cool to see you do this.
A big thank you for all your content that I've been following for years.
Wagner Berzagui from Brazil
So that climbing harness is how Jamie gets such excellent shots o.0
I'm SO happy to see you and Jamie living the best of your lives! Man, this whole lore is so wholesome
Jamie:
As a rock climber I can say wearing a harness to do normal stuff is normal. Thank you for representing us with the correct amount of stoke.
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Please do a DMM factory tour, the hot drop forge their aluminium carabiners and I have now idea how they make their steel ones. It would be fascinating to see your perspective on their manufacturing, plus Jamie would get to make beautiful B roll of North Wales.
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You should look into how carabiners can cut ropes, it's really quite insane to me how little of an edge can result in such a catastrophic failure. Even what would appear to be a smooth edge can be dangerous, even with strong ropes.
NEAT STUFF!
I don't think they'll actually be using it in their kit.
@@graeme.davidson but what's wrong with learning the ropes? (Lmfao)
@@graeme.davidson I agree but it’s still a super cool process. You couldn’t use it in your kit because of the heavy testing and certifications that the come with the commercial
@@neloy4200 I mean, you could use it if you wanted. You just could not sell it without a lot of liability risk. You coukd use whatever the hell you want though. Whether it is smart to use it is a different question and one that involves your own calculation of risk.
How about risk of delamination in real stressing usage condition in future?
As a tree surgeon I absolutely love to see you making stuff like this! It's very interesting!
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I think it'll be really interesting to see the wear on the damascus pattern after the caving trip! Can't think of many others doing this level of material testing on pattern welded steel ;D
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Nice to see you guys hanging out while you work.
Hownot2 is a youtube channel that breaks carabiners. you should do a collab with them to see how strong your carabiner really is.
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I am seriously enjoying the videos where you make these every day objects like the lighter and crescent wrench. Its so interesting to see the mechanisms behind the items. Keep up the good work!
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love the sense of humour with the rope climbing while building/recording.
Climbing and especially rappelling is one of my favorite things.
Let me break test it! 😅
Ryan is in the chat everyone!!! He needs a Damascus carabiner to destroy!!!!!!
When I was in Boy Scouts getting the Climbing merit badge the instructor did a demonstration for how strong the ropes. He attached the rope to his harness and suspended himself about a foot off the ground, then cut the sheath around the outside exposing six smaller stranded ropes that braid together into the core. He then cut each strand one by one until he was suspended by only a single core rope. That made me much more confident while climbing because I knew just how overengineered the ropes were which made it easier to just trust them to do the job and focus on the actual climbing.
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Damn he must’ve been on the big bucks, those ropes aren’t cheap
I think it might be beneficial if you only surface-harden it like it is done with gears. This way you can achieve some more strenght with a still low risk of snapping it. As far as I know, surface hardening can be achieved by blasting it with glasbeads just like in sandblasting. The material should work harden on the surface. But if you actually put your life on the line with this, better trust your guts.
We just learned about this method in university which is why it came to my mind. Its a pretty cool concept that could possibly work quite well for parts like this.
Love the climbing bits, both in the shop and the woods! What a fun thing!
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Thank you, I'm feeling very down today, so I needed to see you two up in climbing harnesses. You really raised your work to a new level with this.
Oh these puns 🤣
@@cocon16_PW And yet all true statements. 😁(I'm feeling better now. The video helped, but so did telling puns.)
@@Merennulli I regularly suffer with bouts of depression, especially in winter. A friend of mine recently talked me into starting running, using the "Couch to 5K" app. It's really helped with my mental health!
@@ApexHerbivore I have a disability that prevents me from walking very well, but I appreciate it. This was the result of a terrible day at work (former coworker lied about something being ready, I got assigned to deploy it on short notice, and found it's fundamentally designed in a way that could never work, meaning it really needs a total rewrite...in 5 days after he spent months making it a glorified mockup.)
I do have cyclical depression, but it's not tied to seasons and I am thankfully not in the depressed part of the cycle now. I try to keep a distinction between feeling down (bad day sort of thing) and feeling depressed (where it's biological and my circumstances have limited effect on it).
My last cycle was before my injury, and honestly the exercise was of some effect but not much. I normally find social interaction draining, but I find forcing myself to do it when I am in a depressive cycle is the best way to mitigate it.
@@Merennulli I'm sorry to hear about your disability, I shouldn't assume everybody is fully mobile when I make comments like that, my bad.
I struggle with social interaction too, and had a 15 year struggle with alcohol and cannabis which I thought were helping, but were actually making things worse!
Glad you've found something that helps you, sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders in any case, and that's the main thing! All the best to you :)
Surprising how much you can get done just Hanging around in the shop!
Just wanted too say that is a lovely color of pink for that hoodie absolutely lovely
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I understand what you mean about being scared of heights. When I was in the Boy Scouts I could never do the climbing more than above a certain amount of height. Although for me the fear was going up not down so if I started high up I could climb down no problem. I did go caving once my last year as a youth but we didn't do much traversing of ropes, just one in order to get around a drop that most people didn't go past.
Most beautiful carabiner I've ever seen! Will certainly be at least three times 'super good enough ' given that it's made of steel and will only see static loads, not any lead climbing falls.
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Rappelling has to be one of my favourite things I’ve done
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I have got to say, you are an amazing entertainer, and teacher. I have never messed with a forge in my life, the most I've done is bend some rebar, and I have been watching you on here and my other account for a very long time, you got a great personality and I love the videos and I don't even know much about this, I guess what I'm saying is well done. You're A huge inspiration
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You should send the finished product to HowNot2 for stress testing. Would be a cool colab to see.
my two favorite things in one video. love it
This video was fun, and very well produced.
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You should send it to the you tube channel “how not to”when your done and they can test it and see how strong it was.
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That's great, now we need 11 more of those caribiners.
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@@AndrewCartwright304 I have something for you too! Reporting your BS scam crap. Enjoy!
Steel carabiners are the go-to for caving. Not sure about Damascus ones. But it's awesome to see.
I was always taught 'thumb on bum' for SRT descents. Better control of the rope generally.
Awesome to see a crossover between two hobbies!
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I've become a massive fan of the boiler suit. Maybe a new product line?
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Every single climber is wanting that in their addition of climbing accessories and gear, and i am also one that is jealous
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Nice stuff
Jaime will do ANYTHING to get the perfect shot.
Oh yeah!!! Thanks Alec!!!
Seeing you strapped up in the air makes me want to see you do a video forging but only in the air no feet on the ground. Makes me imagine a old time skyscraper worker up there working away.
Just make a gift of this one to Jamie and then make a "safer" one for yourself. 😘👌 Great video 2x👍
You should consider cutting out that channel that the bought one has, that cross section shape like an I-beam makes it more resistant to bending than an oval, even though there's more material in the oval.
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All the carabiners I owned said drop forged. Squishing it out seems like the right thing to do :)
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Can't wait till pt 3
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Beautiful etch!
before using it, get it xrayed and a ultrasound done on the metal work, big ouch if it goes wrong. My climbing gear used to have yearly inspections. A couple of them came back chopped in half.
As always, fun to watch and your vids have superb production values. Fantastic. Remember to account for shock, like if you drop 20 feet suddenly.
The music sounds like an italian folk music version of the 90s Xmen theme.
You were actually working in a harness. That is pretty cool.
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You need to make a recap of all the tools u made
I’d be interested in seeing some load testing done on it when your all finished.
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You should forge a clamp, you made a vice a long time ago but a table clamp would be a nice single-video project
Ha ha ha! "Single-video" project. Ha ha.
Did I say single video? I meant single-year project, I don’t think it will take more than 52 episodes, unless something goes wrong at the very last moment ofcourse
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Hello from Maine, USA
Hi Alex! I've been watching your videos for a while now. I remember one of your videos, where you mentioned horseshoeing being part of a blacksmith's workload. I was wondering if you could make horseshoes, and then fit it on a horse. (If no horse, maybe a horseshoe for humans, and then fit it onto a human shoe).
Epic work mate concurring fears!! As always the videos and collaboration is top notch keep it up boys. Out of curiosity is the Katar build done and dusted now?
Getting them overalls off once the sparks lodge in the brass!
If those aluminum carabiners are not forged, they will be weaker than the forged steel one you are making due to the rearranging of the metal structure during the forging process so hopefully by time you are done there's no stress cracks and it will function well as a carabiner
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Alec--I suffer from low-level balance issues, due to a bout with vestibular neuritis a few years back. Part of what I do with my life involves climbing a scaffold (6m) from time to time. Imagine my delight....
I was going make a joke about the climbing gear being for overhead shots, but....
Yeah
Nice reflex control Jamie to keep hold of the camera and let the towel roll fall.
More times than I care to admit I've dropped something I was holding to catch something tossed to me
Lets gooo , do more videos 🫡💪🔥❤️💪
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Other than taking some Dramamine to get through it, loved it.
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Alec! Can you please make a video where you forge a hammer using a knife.
Like the knife is what you're using to hammer the new hammer lol
Cool content, cool edit.
Next time maybe make a screw-lock carabiner? Much simpler mechanism
would love to see you make a golf club iron let's see how the old timers did it
Man I will take a fall on it while climbing lol. Or send it to how not 2 to have them test it in the climbing gear test rig
2:27 so thats why hes got a harness
Autolocking carabiners can become a real nightmare on very muddy ropes / caves by not wanting to open anymore, especially if your using them on the cowtails because it's the most open and closed thing and the thing that get the most mud on the harness and you need to open it a lot to exit the cave , also sometimes when in an uncomfortable position it's better to have something that can open quickly whith a single motion of the hand .
screw locking carabiners are a bit more easy to open when blocked by mud or small rocks but in my contry everyone uses simple carabiner on the cowtails for all of the caving from the simple 6hours trip to the 4 days expedition.
I know you are not done yet with this but you should make a farriers knife next if you want another challenge.
Yooooooooooo finally recognized red as the superior color elli would be proud
After watching Alec from being a child to then getting a job as a tree surgeon I’d never ever believe I’d hear the words “single rope technique”
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Alec, an engineer should be to quickly calculate the strength of your carabiner to see if it's strong enough or not.
After all, you don't necessarily know if your Damascus billett is as strong (or stronger) than the carabiners material.
The modulus of elasticity of your material has a lot to say in a cross sections strength 😅
For this material, it would be almost impossible to tell, because of the different properties of the two steel and there is no way to know what proportion of each material there is at any given cross sectional area. Its possible to make an estimate by averaging the two materials though.
@@JacktheFireEater bcs you have a life on the line you go safe and take the lowest possible values / worst case scenario, that way it can only be the same or better.
@@I_am_here_to_eat_your_toes Well, yes, but this will already be above the minimum factor of safety just through the design and material. That doesn't tell the yield strength for the carabiner like I think the OP was getting at. Im an engineer, so I agree with you that thats what would be done for the lowest estimate, what I was saying is that there isnt any way to get the exact value and that an average would just be as close as we could get.
@@JacktheFireEater I'm just done my engineering degree, and that crossed my mind. There are tests one can do to determine an approximate strength, it's done with rebar, but it's not accurate.
Averaging would be my go to, but I lack the experience to be more confident in my abilities to say anything else 😅
@@I_am_here_to_eat_your_toes this is also a solution...
Though aren't the carabiners made of aluminum?
In that case steel in general has a modulus of elasticity about 2.5x that of aluminum, which should sort any issues out.
The classical guitar instrumental was very 90’s X-Men cartoon intro.
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I'd love to see the finished product be tested by someone like Mamut or how not 2
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This feels like the start of one of those conversations that goes "Where's Alec?......Oh, he's in the hospital after breaking his legs while testing out home-made carabiner" and all you can think of is Why??
It's coming along nicely. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. God Bless.
I got excited to see the height gage
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Nice looking carabiner- I'm looking forward to watching you put the fuller in both sides!😆
I don’t think he is going to.
The filming while hanging on the rope looks cool.
Sre you already working as climbing photographer jamie?
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Even if tempered back to a spring blue would still be sufficient. May not be necessary but it would minimize any chance of distortion
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Err, you do know that safety kit normally have a LOT of tests done on it, which includes working out how much force it takes to break the kit. The thing I'm really worried about is that the body of your carabiner is Damascus, which could mean that it might break at a ridiculously small amount of force. At the end of the day, you are using an untested, experimental carabiner in a system that needs to be strong enough to stop you from falling to your death. If you do decide to ignore all of this, please do the next best thing, which would be to have someone belay you using a second rope (that doesn't use the Damascus carabiner in it's setup). Thanks and please don't die 👍👍👍
Im assuming you're going to use a larger commercial one in parallel, larger so it won't take any weight unless it bends or breaks
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You know... When you make the gate... You could make it L shaped to force a front and back section in the closed carabiner... Or by adding a secondary wire gate like in the Beal Orient Express. Should help stop you cross loading the biner when you're moving around at weird angles.
Did you throw the - I'm assuming aluminum - reference carabiner you set your forging on while it was still red hot away?
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I wonder if there's been any studies on the force required to delaminate Damascus steel. Common sense that it should be less than the typical force to snap the steel, but by how much?
hownot2 is a channel that breaks carabiners they could find out.
@@dumbideas3361 literally everyone else has been saying the same thing for 2 videos. I'm more thinking of strain testing damascus in different orientations and patterns with a standard size billet, and standard metal combos.
Spelunking
If you have any worries about the strength of your carabiner, just hook it to the wall, give it a yank with your lorry and see if it falls.
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Please make steele branded boiler suits!!!! Would be perfekt for people like mee who just wants to put something on whilst working and then taking that layer of for when you go in the house
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Haha, making things while hanging in SRT kit; not seen that before 😄
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You did a pad style lock, could u do a combonation style lock?
Been a long time since we heard the Famous🤣😂😂 Blue Dycon Song!!!
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Thank you for consistently using PPE, so many youtubers just normalise being reckless.
He is planning on going caving with a homemade carabiner that has already proven to have cracks in multiple spots.
That is the definition of reckless, regardless of how much PPE he wears while grinding.
Is it possible to get an update on the other workshop sometime. Would love to know how it goes there
I have a very silly obsession with D-rings of all kinds. I’m a disabled vet…I have absolutely no use for real climbing gear, but I will find uses for them even if just a fidget object when I’m having increased pain days. I have some that have a cool magnet locking gate that I love the most. I’ve got a couple of those. Then I have another thing that’s made by a company called Kong. Not the dog toy(but they do use one of them in a dog leash) it is a gate that will close onto a carabiner and an arm on each side you have to pull back on to open it and release whatever it has ahold of. That’s probably absolutely trash for a description. I would be lucky to even buy a piece of cutoff Damascus scrap, not a chance I’ll ever have the cash to buy a A. Steele Damascus carabiner.. unless someone liked my idea for The Kingsman mad gadget guy/turn into the bald teacher guy that I posted in the first video making the Damascus. Not that the idea is worth anything to anyone other than a funny action drama in my head. Heck if it is worth something, I could really use a belt sander/grinder…just saying, lol
Part 2 is here Poggers dude
Currious how much weight can it hold? Anyone else wanna see a strength test!?
Okay, you guys win the floor is lava
Alec, If you're worried about carabiner strength, it doesn't matter whether it bends or snaps: a fail is a fail. The minimum CE requirements for a non-locking carabiner are:
Major axis - 20kN (along the spine)
Gate open - 7kN (along the spine but with an open gate)
Minor axis - 7kN (cross-loaded spine to gate)
If you have some friends in the materials testing business, that's the spec should be shooting for. Happy Spelunking!!!
Or he could just send it @HowNOT2 who has a youtube channel and a machine specifically built to test climbing gear.
@@TheUncleRuckus you'd still need the spec
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"this is a challenging thing to file" *proceeds to file it while suspended in the air by cord*