Darksiding an early 03-06 Suzuki Burgman AN400 Maxi-Scooter - Car Tire on A Scooter - Good idea ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2022
- My 1st dive into the "Darkside" of Maxi-Scooter Upgrades.
Some warn my Scoot will explode or fatally crash, by mounting a Car Tire.
Others predict riding bliss + extra cash from NOT buying 3-4 rear tires annually !
Who's right ? Who's mistaken ?
I'm only 200 miles & 3 days into my "Darkside Test" but my initial impression is highly favorable !
Please comment below, tell us your EXPERIENCE, rather than your fears OR your review of a movie you never watched !
Please visit us on the www.BurgmanUSA.com forums to discuss Suzuki Burgman Maxi-Scooters
The thread for this topic:
www.burgmanusa.com/threads/be...
Thank You & God Bless ! - David B
PS:
OE Factory Rear Tire size:
130/70-13 (Bias Ply MC Tire)
My upgrade Tire size:
145/60R13:(Radial Car Tire)
This is a Euro / UK / Canada size, perhaps orderable online direct.
2 more possible sizes MAY fit:
145/65R13 - Rare Japan domestic tire
Sometimes sold on eBay.
155/65R13 - USA Tire size available on Amazon, etc
This tire MAY rub engine case, or it may not.
If any of you decide to try this one, please report your results in the comments.
For the full discussion on this topic see the thread above.
Nice looking Rear Tire...
Thank you for a great informative "dark-side" video. I have searched and searched, and cant find anything. You explained a rather difficult process so well.
Glad it helped you out.
The early Burgman takes the 13" tire & their smaller diameter makes them more challenging to mount.
My new to me, used '08 Suzuki Vstrom 650 is gonna get the same treatment once it's rear
m/c tire is burned through.
Cool, great content
Thank you for this video. I have a 2005 and been thinking of replacing the tire. Then you vid popped up and got me thinking why not try it.
Many people are using a Car Tire for Rear Tire on their Cam Am Spyder's, many more miles with no problems...
@@randybeard6040 Right 👍 on.
I have a new more powerful Suzuki V-Strom 650 & just "Dark-sided" it last month.
Installed a Petlas Z rated car Radial p205/55r17.
Prior was a 150/70r17 Pirelli Angel GT that only lasted 7,500 miles.
I'm expecting / hoping for 20,000 + out of this much beefier tire.
At only half the price too.
Rubber contact patch was 2.2" before
Now it's 6.10" that's near 3x as much.
Also mpg is + from 49 to 55 mpg.
Handles very well but slightly different - you get used to it.
I have a rear mono shock adjustment knob - had to crank it higher & firmer.
Hope that helps !
The 155/65 13 will work. I have it on my 07 burgman. It does well.
Will it work for a 400cc
I have a 400cc burgman 2007
Yes I have the AN 400 burgman
I have a 2006 Suzuki 400 burgman will the 1:55 / 65 / r13 work
Thank 👍 you 😊 for the information 👍🤝
yes it is good
Thanks for watching - Thumbs up will help others see this !
Questions ? I'll help, if able.
The Scooter Forum thread regarding Darksiding is linked in the "More" area below this video.
Thanks for watching & sharing !
David
Good idea specially in countries that have no much choice of motorcycle tires like Egypt which i live in. I have AN400 2001 and i love this machine next time i probably get. a car tire.
My inly concern how does it do in corners? As the motorcycle tires are designed to get the most contact area while leaning!
Believe it or not, absolutely FINE in corners.
I didn't notice any less cornering ability.
I could still lay it over far enough to scrape the pegs.
There's guys on TH-cam who've mounted GoPro cameras to the underside of their Gold wing or Harley large touring bikes & show exactly how their Dark side tire does in corners.
The best thing by far is, super durable lifespan like 3-5x longer + more weight capacity so your bikes ride actually IMPROVES.
I like this idea so much that my new bike a Suzuki V-Strom 650, model year 2008, will get a Dark side rear tire as soon as the existing M/C tire is worn out.
I have around 5000 miles on my Burgman 650 car tire. I checked the wear and the center is wearing faster than the sides. I calculate I’ll probably get 15k out of it. Not bad for a $65 tire.
Very nice to hear !
You might see wear even out if you drop say 10% in PSI.
I began at 36 psi then 33 now 30 psi due to center wear.
I think tinkering is needed as there is a vastly less load on car tire vs standard car load tire is made for.
Ride safe & thx for Darksiding !
PS; Did you go to "Scoot the Ozarks Rally", last Fall ?
@@psalm2forliberty577 I run about 37 psi because of mileage and handling. I figure it’s less rolling resistance and rounds the tire out slightly. Even if I only get 1.5x life of a motorcycle tire at 1/3 the cost it’s a win win for me. I tried 32 psi on my goldwing this year and it felt like the back end was fishtailing on the highways. I bumped it up to 40 and that fixed it.
I haven’t gone to any scooter rallies yet. It’s so hard for me to take off from my landscaping business. I am riding my Zuma to Oklahoma , pikes peak, million dollar highway, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and back to Dallas next week. 4 days and 2500 miles. I can’t wait! 🛵💨💨💨
I wish I had more time and I would be doing the scooter cannonball.
Mike
@@opichocal
Wow Mike impressive tour 👍.
All those miles 2500 in 4 days total ?
How big is Zuma cc wise ?
On your big 'wing I'm sure weight alone requires 40psi lol.
Prayers for your road safety & fun in any case Brother !
I'm in East Texas SE of Tyler
@@psalm2forliberty577 I have a 2011 Zuma 125. Top speed is around 52mph. I ride it daily to walk my dogs. I’ll try to post a quick video showing all the “upgrades” I’ve done.
Sometimes We go to riverport bbq in Jefferson just for their swamp fries. I normally take a big bike when riding 2 up. Maybe we can meet up for lunch one day
@@opichocal
Very cool.
Are you really going all that way in a Zuma 125 ?
Taking secondary Highways like Route 66 ?
You must be more East of DFW.
Because Jefferson, near Atlanta TX is, I was just thru there last week (Mercedes wagon, not Burgman) enroute to NW Arkansas.
Small 🌎 world eh ?
Our BMW + M/C club rides all around East Texas each month.
Perhaps we can meet up sounds fun.
Cheers - David
Always curious of trying to go darkening. Wondered what size tire. Thanks.
Watch the whole video I cover every aspect.
Who fitted the car tyre for you and how did you balance it?
It was fitted by a Motorcycle Service Mechanic in Perris, Ca I think called "Fast Lane Cycles".
He was like, "yeah Darkside your Scoot no prob lets go".
He worked on Harleys, Sportbikes, Enduros & Maxi-Scoots.
He checked its balance & showed perfect as it was.
Hope that helps.
Fwiw, this 145/60R13 is a Euro / UK size.
Its easier in North America to find a slightly larger size 155/65R13 that might also fit.
Cheers - David
Any update on this experiment? Thanks for the share.
Yes my poor late AN400 was destroyed when a deer ran into my path at 50 mph.
Praise God I had on helmet, gloves & sturdy shoes.
ER doc saw large scar on Helmet & said: "you'd be dead without it !"
But yeah the Burgman 400 is missed & I did chance to buy a Suzuki Vstrom 650 a month before the total wreck of the Burgman.
The new (used '08, but perfect condition) Vstrom will be going "Darksided" as soon as I burn thru the brand new m/c tire it came with.
That's how much I enjoyed the car tire on my Maxi Scooter, I'm now 100 % sold on the idea.
UPDATE: I've now Darksided my "new" motorcycle also a Suzuki, a Vstrom 650 - an ADV Motorcycle with 17" rear & 19" front wheel.
It's been a month and BOY am I thrilled it works FABULOUS.
I installed a p205/55r17 Petlas P741 "Z" rated tire.
It does take several long high speed rides to "wear in / break in" the tire - the rubber cures & toughens up.
So it'll feel "squirmy" first 100 miles - that's the time to chill out in the turns.
Now at 1,200 miles I'm carving as well as with the prior m/c tire.
any updates
do you recommend it
would you recommend a different tire size
Yes I do.
But it's a UK size, ok if you're there.
But a better size for USA is 155/65-13 which also fits & is available thru Amazon or special order.
Any update on the tire? Did it rub?
No rubbing, this size is pretty small diameter, a 145/60 R13 65T Michelin Compact.
I'm at almost 10,000 miles and some tread - about 1mm remains.
I'm about to change it out to slightly larger size.
New size is:
Petlas brand (Turkey)
155/65 R13 (73T)
So that's 10mm wider & 65 profile, up from 60, on earlier tire.
Fit WILL be tight on any 2006 & earlier Burgman 400.
I'm tape measuring it shows about 4 or 5mm clearance from tire face to engine / cvt case.
The reason for the swap up in size is several-fold:
1 - Easier to source the 155/65 R13 in the USA via Amazon
2 - The earlier 145/60 R13 is an "Euro Market" tire, not sold in USA. (I just got lucky earlier found it on eBay)
3 - This tire is taller by about 1" which will somewhat lower HWY RPMs, always a good thing.
Plus the slightly wider face & higher load rating (65T Vs 73T) should be a plus.
My earlier Shinkyo rear MC tire lasted just 3,600 miles, embarrassing.
This small 145/60 R13 "car tire" is lasting 3x as long and highway confidence is greater, too.
I can drag the sides in any turn & so she carves just fine.
Good idea but they do not sell this tire in the U.S.A
Right on Nick, I just got lucky found one on eBay.
However, lve discovered there IS a USA size that does fit the rim & clears the case too.
Called "Petlas Elegant PT311" in 155/65-13
On Amazon for about $67
Go for it...
@@psalm2forliberty577 will re search a little more because I've got into trouble before because changing sizes have thrown my speedometer off.
have the same scooter thing its a good plan for a long trip but for the twistys i would stick with a m/c tire
Until you try it you're purely guessing.
It's fully as good as an M/C tire, loses NOTHING in real world riding but adds lots of virtues
m/c tires lack: stability, massive increase in load capacity, higher speed rating, radials ride better than Bias Ply tires.
At am average of 1/2 to 1/3 the cost too.
I now have a new ride:
a larger more powerful Suzuki Vstrom 650.
The PO installed nice expensive Pirrelli Angel m/c tire right before selling it.
It burned through in 7,500 miles.
I just Darksided it with a 205/55r17 - my goodness what an improvement !
As I said "until YOU try it you'll never know" as of now all you have is an uninformed opinion.
The only exception I see is if you ride very few annual miles and are virtually always going at extreme speeds on windy roads.
As a moto GP racer would.
In that case stick with the m/c tire as it's optimized for it.
In the REAL WORLD you nor I are riding but mainly on a straight lane with minor turns here & there.
As all the guys who've stuck a go pro camera on the bottom of their Darksided bike & then hit the twistys PROVE, scraping their pegs in each turn, these inexpensive durable car tires hang on & grip perfectly and don't let go.
You gain MANY practical advantages & lose none that matter for 95% of daily riders.