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It's hilarious to think that most of the important people only wanted to take part in this to work with Brando and then it turned out he's one of the worst people to work with
In his defense, most of the productions were he was an asshole he had some serious personal problems, so even though his behaviour is unnacceptable, you can see why he wasn't cooperative, the dude wasn't in a good headspace. Again, not justifying, just having a bit of empathy for the guy
And to add to all that above, mostly he wasn't being a cunt like Val Kilmer but he just didn't really care anymore, and would do ridiculous shit or whatever he felt was comfortable. He knew what movies were just a paycheck. Had Stanley been there, and had he not had personal issues, I think he would've made more of an effort.
@@imaginekudryavka9485 yeah by this point in his career Brando just didn’t give a crap anymore. This is the same guy who was offered the main villain role in an animated film and decided “no I want to voice this old lady, I’ll even wear a dress and makeup whilst I record it”
Having someone get bitten by a snake, another infected by a parasite, and a third mugged in Sydney may be the most Australian series of events I've ever heard.
"The relationship between Brando and the crew got so bad one actor was prohibited from handling a gun." I don't know why but this hilarious imagine being hated that much
Knowing what Brando could be like and how grouchy, stubborn and selfish he could be I can totally believe it. This is the guy who used to go behind his wife’s back by sneaking out to eat Burger King in the bushes at the dead of night when she was trying to help him lose weight
Dude, the story of Werner Herzogs "Fitzcarraldo" is way more crazy. Just to name an inzident: While filming in the jungle, one camera man got bit by a snake and in fear of the venom, he immediately saw his leg off on set.
@@mr.r_r7199 (breaking joke chain here) there's a whole meme about saberspark being a furry cause he keeps outwardly denying it, but he has furry merch and there is plenty of furry fanart of himself that he showcases so lots of people are very suspicious about it
It’s very much like “The Room”, where the production is weird, the movie’s weird, and the story behind it is much more interesting and probably made more money
Tommy is at least way more charming and well meaning, the room is a masterpiece in its own special way despite most of it coming from tommys ignorance of American culture and amature director experience.
@@michelletubandu mean the conqueror with John Wayne?If so they did film at a desert where nuclear tests had happened.I think a lot of those involved did end up with cancer
There is one, but not exactly Disaster Artist style, but somewhat. It’s called Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley’s Island of Dr Moreau. It’s a documentary about the making of it, anyways. Might be on TH-cam not sure.
As a film student, I’ve learned a valuable lesson from this: there is no actor so valuable they are worth that amount of crap they cause on set. Even if the studio demanded we keep them, and even if it cost me my job, I would fire Brando and Kilmer for making such a toxic, unworkable environment.
@@frankieseward8667 considering that Brando had destroyed his career before due to his behavior on set you think he would have learned his lesson but he didnt.
It’s something I like to remind people of in my workplace- at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what kind of skill, education or qualifications someone has for the job, if they’re so hard to deal with that absolutely no one else will work with or around them everything screeches to a halt. Sometimes it’s better to go for the next choice or do without altogether if need be.
Then it goes to show that stories like that will remembered for generations to come. Yeah I know that sound profane and fluffy but it's the best I can come up with.
@@Elstree I never said it didn't, but sometimes stories that try to rebell against established norms by shocking its readers, tend to age poorly, since they eventually reach readers who are more distant from what the book was originally rebelling towards.
I mean, I’m pretty sure Wells partially wrote it to lampoon eugenicists, so that’s not that surprising Personally, I think “Time Machine” was even creepier, but I read that first and years before, so I may just have been immured to Wells’ weird half-human fucktoys
"Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley's Island of Dr. Moreau" is one of the most interesting and entertaining film documentaries I've watched in recent years.
Hell yes! I feel like I already know so much about this production (through the Lost Soul doc as well as various videos) and yet and I'm so excited to watch another video on it.
@@crimsondynamo615 to be fair his grandson is primarily an animation director, that movie was his first and I believe only attempt at doing live action
I knew someone who was on this set and he told a story that you'll probably find amusing. So Faruza Balk approached Marlon Brando while he was chatting with some friends. She told him that they should probably talk about their characters' relationship. Brando said, "Imagine... a big rose colored basket." "Uh-huh," Balk said, hanging on his every word. "Now imagine this big, rose colored basket the size of New York." "Uh-huh." "Now imagine this big, rose colored basket the size of New York filled with hundred dollar bills. That's how much they're paying me to be in this piece of shit. And that's the nature of our relationship." He then turned back to his friends and continued talking to them. Also, Kilmer was keen on getting to know Brando because he had recently been in the film Thunderheart, and he thought it made them kindred spirits since they both showed sensitivity to the natives. (Yeah, I know.) Kilmer kept trying to chat with him about this subject, and Brando kept ignoring him because he saw him for the pretentious asshole he was. (Of course, it's the pot calling the kettle black, but whatever.) Thought you might like those little tidbits.
I feel bad for the crew that cared for the original version of the movie, even after all that happened they still respected and wanted the original director, feel like they must have had some passion for the script original story
I know I'm a year late to this but I couldn't agree more, I loved the H G Wells book and was excited when I found out about this film, went to the cinema to see it and was massively disappointed. I would love to have been able to see Stanley's version of it, I think it could have been amazing.
Check out Terry Gilliam's history. Nearly every movie he's every made had a production that was somewhere between "troubled" and "absolute cluster-fuck", and all for the craziest reasons, like a random flash-flood, or being denounced by the Pope.
@@mttylerdurden9 Yes, or, another one, having the studio head change. Ned Tannen OK'd Brazil, and, after it was complete, Sid Sheinberg refused to release it. Like, it's already done, fucker, just print it.
@@robotzombie4754 Yeah Richard Stanley burned and shredded a lot of important note for production after he was fired and then disappeared in the jungle for a few months.
I’ll give Kilmer credit for apologizing to Richard Stanley after Stanley was fired from the production. But boy were his fights with Frankenheimer during this legendary
It was a good film to be an extra on. The catering was great, made a nice little packet without doing much hard yakka and almost everyone wore crazy squishy/rubbery heads and masks, so to this day I have no idea who I am in the background (if I made it onscreen at all lol). Bonus :D
The fact that you mentioned that Brando and the small man character inspired Dr Mephesto from South Park made me remember that Dr Mephesto is known for creating genetic abominations and was apart of NAMBLA aka the national Association of Marlon Brando look alikes
@@crowdemon_archives unfortunately, the screenwriter of that movie accuse him of being an abusive asshat which lead to him being unable to finish his intended trilogy. I guess is that because of the movie's problems that Stanley turned into an abusive husband. Although time will tell that either Scarlett Amaris was saying the truth of she just saw Amber Heard and said "Hold my Beer".
Funny that Frankenheimer was essentially hired specifically to deal with Kilmur, yet he was better at pushing around everyone EXCEPT the man he was meant to.😥
I wanted to create a game based on the book "The Island of Dr. Moreau" as my final project for university. Now I'm glad I quit that idea and changed the subject of my game.
@@pontiusporcius8430 The idea was to have a game set after the story of the book. The player searches the island for clues to find ot if the narrator of the book was telling the truth or had just gone mad. Another student is still working on the project, but I quit it because our team didn't work.
@@raccoonja-ronja Reminds me of Jurassic Park: Tresspasser. Where the protag arrives on Site B after the events of the second movie. She explores, avoids being raptor chow all while Hammond’s memoirs narrate the story.
My favorite story from this fustercluck of movie production was when the original director manage to sneak back on set and end up in the movie as one of the animal hybrids.
I know Critical Drinker made a review on this, but I like it when multiple reviewers cover the same movie. They often talk about different aspects of the film, and have unique takes on it. It's nice to see multiple perspectives on the same topic.
I could hardly care about the critical drinker, he bluntly didn't care about the suicide squad a couple months ago and he said it might fail. no look where are today. the suicide squad is so critical acclaimed.
This is basically like the Episode "Queen Banana" from Miraculous Ladybug. Chloe constantly changes the plot of her classes movie against the majority of the casts wishes and doesn't even show up during filming.
Not gonna lie, I think Marlon Brando's suggestions actually worked really well - the mini-me, bucket hat, Pope-mobile and even the line about feeling hot, were all really memorable and added to the sheer insanity of the island itself. Except the dolphin... not the dolphin.
They were at the very least memorable, which is more than what the rest of the movie had going for it. People going in to see Dr. Moreau expecting weird hybrids and a generic jungle setting as its main visuals. No one expects to see Brando with a tiny man as his personal side kick while both are wearing a white gossamer robe and headdress
agreed; and fortunately unfortunate that Kilmers outlook on life at the time made him perfect for his role as well. One of my favorite movies because its so unhinged while still having a deep seeded message that makes you question humanity.
@@dawnone8924 Knowing nothing about Kilmer's antics on set, I thought his performance was pitch perfect for the story and the bizarre setting. He seems to be channelling Hunter S. Thompson throughout, and the eccentric costume changes provide a valuable snapshot of classic 90's new age style.
... The French government... Detonated... A nuke... Next to... Marlon Brando's private island... While he was mourning the death of his daughter. Jesus, that's a lot of bad piled into one sentence.
Imagine being Marlon Brando you’re just getting some alone time at your island to just contemplate what happened and how your daughter is gone then suddenly you hear a big boom and see a mushroom cloud outside your window
The worst part of the notorious production is it gets in the way of discussing the book's interesting themes and why Resident Evil 8 named a villain after a character. (Up and down, up and down! I'm the best! I plugged the exit)
The best part is when Richard Stanley comes back with a vengence in horror films with "The Color Out of Space" after over 10 years. Seriously go see that film. Also go see Hardware
You may have had a production hell like this movie but the biggest difference is, they went through all that crap and made a wet fart of a movie. You went through all your crap and made a entertaining and well put together video. Nice going man, you did well.
This is one of those real "what if" movie experiences, as in: what if Stanley had gotten to make the film he intended, a modest $10m thriller with a decent cast and offbeat perspective on the material; what if Brando's daughter hadn't died and his enthusiasm for the project gone with her; what if another genre director, one who perhaps could've understood the take on Wells' novel and brought an appropriate sensibility to it - like maybe John Carpenter, Wes Craven, Clive Barker, David Fincher or even David Cronenberg - could've been persuaded to take up the picture instead of the alcoholic burnout Frankenheimer, whether it still might have been salvageable... We'll never know obviously, and it's a shame, since a definitive film version of the Wells story is still yet to be made.
Back then, David Fincher would say, "Fuck you" to New Line after 20th Century Fox ruined his film Alien 3. Like 20 minutes that were crucial to the film were cut and his desire to build a grand stage was reduced. This is not how you treat the guy who directed Madonna's Vogue and made it popular. Luckily, it seems he has the creative freedom for his films but he's proven to be a mind freak if you read what actors Jake Gyllenhaal and RDJ spoke about working with Fincher on the true-crime thriller Zodiac. Gyllenhaal was reduced to tears by Fincher's continuous demands for repetitive takes, some of which he deleted via the digital cameras he was using. RDJ left piss jars as Fincher was very strict with bathroom breaks. The guy would have been utter chaos in the film as he's also considered difficult to work with as the conflicting egos from Kilmer and Brando would have resulted in murder perhaps. Though to be fair, most of the actors he has worked with often praise him will also hating his perfectionism so he might have done things well but who knows.
With all the curses on the production of this film I don't think anyone would want to make a film adaptation of it for a very long time. It's like H. G. Welles is trying to tell people "just read the fu*king book" from beyond the grave by haunting anyone who's doing anything about adaptations of it.
The Island Of Dr Moreau is a great book that really shows that what happens when you take away the humanity from humans. So my god I hate this fucking movie
I think one of the most indicative moments of this hell on Earth was the fact that one of the female production crew members was so stressed and miserable and felt so belittled that the poor thing actually straight up tried to FLEE THE SET, but she was caught and forced to return to the set
Dr Moreau was my grand mother’s favorite movie for many years. We went to see in twice in the theaters. I got it for her on DVD not too long before she passed away but she could never figure out how to use the DVD player so I don’t think she ever watched it unless I was there to start the movie for her.
In regards to his comments about actors vs directors go, my immediate response would be, "When in front of the camera the actor does what the director tells them, so smile for the camera and act as directed." No one should be able to get away with treating their colleagues and/or employers badly just because they have what is essentially immunity to being fired. Kilmer's actions were just awful, and Brando has no excuse either. I will say that at least he wasn't Kilmer levels of terrible, but his failure to be the bigger person about it clearly lead to more problems. I do think it was pretty cool of him in a way to have the 2 foot tall actor in the spotlight instead of a bit-part.
@@retrocatalog I had no idea that had occurred. You're definitely right about it being wild. I really appreciate you taking the time to read and respond to my comment. I hope you're doing well :)
@@retrocatalog I had no idea that had occurred. You're definitely right about it being wild. I really appreciate you taking the time to read and respond to my comment. I hope you're doing well :)
How do you follow the Empress Theresa video? Why, with a movie starring a poorly cast Hollywood icon, fraught with production issues and cast in-fighting, of course! Your channel has my heart and all of my attention ❤️
@@LucyLioness100 hindsight is 20/20. Seems like the movie's ultimate fate wouldn't have been TOO hard to predict in real-time, but alas, it was not to be. Even as the chips started to fall, it seems as though TOO MUCH had been endured and invested by all involved, to shit can the production entirely. And thank God they didn't, because the entire story is so so funny 🤣
@@LucyLioness100 You basically described Aguirre: The Wrath of God. Except that film turned out to be a success and the actor and director who tried killing themselves ended becoming friends.
You should do a video on the production of Alien 3. David fincher had said "i'd rather get Colon Cancer than direct another movie" after the movie was finished
I saw this film as a kid in in a theater when it was released. I loved it, because it was batshit crazy. It seemed like neither Brando nor Kilmer realized they were acting in a movie.
Ron Perlman has two chapters in his memoir: "Easy Street (The Hard Way)", dedicated to his time on The Island of Dr Moreau. Some key points in those chapters: - Richard hired Ron because he was a fanboy of his, liking a lot of the performances he did in makeup. - Much like a lot of people in the film, Ron wanted to do it to work with his idol; Marlon Brando. - It was Ron's idea to play The Sayer blind. He suggested it to John Frankenheimer, who loved the idea, allowing the makeup team to give Ron milky contact lenses. When he wore them, he was actually blind. - When Ron first met Marlon (Ron was in full makeup as The Sayer), Marlon thought he was the makeup effects artist. - Nelson de la Rosa was known for being a sex addict on set. Sometimes he would have trouble walking (Due to his height), so he'd have these two young female helpers to take care of his every need. He spent his time tweaking their nipples. When he was carried over to meet Brando, he was trying to remove his helper's breast from her blouse. - When Marlon asked Nelson how many films he had been in, Nelson said "two". Ron quipped; _"Yeah, and both of 'em were this one"_ . Brando gave Ron a sad look. - During the trial scene, Frankenheimer wanted a close up of Brando. Marlon refused to do the scene unless the extras were given shade or a coke, offering to buy each one a bottle with his own money. He also said; _"And by the way, get rid of this guy, because he's bothering me."_ . He was referring to Ron. - Brando referred to Frankenheimer as a "Nazi" for refusing to give in to his demands during the trial scene. John asked how Marlon could call him that. Marlon said he knew what it was like to be a Nazi because of his performance in Young Lions (Marlon played a german officer). - One day, Ron was sitting on a stool, he felt two hands violently hit his shoulder. He got a fright, it was Marlon. He realised that Ron was actually blind during filming. Marlon asked John to reshoot the trail, but John refused. Marlon respected Ron for playing it blind, thanking him for gifting him afro caribbean cd's. Marlon said: _"That shit is great! You shoulda come to my trailer. I been dancing my ass off the whole time!"_ . He went on to tell him; _"You're playing blind. You're playing the guy who's responsible for justice, blind. That's fucking genius."_ - Ron learned that Marlon was a fan of his performances in Quest for Fire and Name of the Rose. He requested John give Kilmer's lines to Ron, saying _"There's a guy who could actually handle it."_
This entire thing feels like a beginner fanfic writer reaching around desperately for a way to escalate the stakes, and in the end they start throwing everything they have at the wall in the hope that something sticks.
If there is anything I have learned from this movie and Apocalypse Now, it is never do a movie with Marlon Brando in a jungle. Apparently those two elements together is an offering that the Gods of Chaos will reward in spades.
Ironic the studio wanted to have big name actors to make the film a success. Big names actors doesn't mean your film will be good especially if they cannot work with others.
Hollywood needs to get into the mindset of casting actors based on the actors' strengths and how well suited they are to the characters. Not casting based on who's on this years A List. This especially applies to voice acting, cuz the actor isn't on screen, they're just reduced to a voice. Casting by name over suitability is how we got stuff like Chris Pratt voicing Mario and Garfield...
Hey, at least Tropic Thunder was about dudes playing dudes disguised as other dudes. And there was nothing catastrophic other than Owen Wilson's part had to be replaced by his friend/ actor-director Ben Stiller due to the tragic suicide attempt that Owen was recovering from and the erratic weather and difficult terrain the crew dealt with when filming on the Hawaiian island of Kaua'i. The controversy regarding Simple Jack and especially RDJ's role as an Australian method actor doing blackface for an Oscar were prominent features of concern when making this film and today, people still have mixed opinions over this decision calling it excellent satire or distasteful.
@@rickardkaufman3988 He was....refering to the PLOT of the movie not its production, and it was all obviously non subtle SATIRE nothing wrong with Kirk Lazarus and especially simple jack which was a JAB at people who fail miserably to portray autistic characters
@@rickardkaufman3988 Wait really? Owen Wilson of all people? He seems like the most non depressed laid back dude ever. Then again Robin Williams. Glad Owen is still with us. Miss you Robin.
@@theangryholmesian4556 Yeah, he was severely depressed and attempted suicide and had to be treated for depression. It wasn't a good time for his life back then. His brother Andrew and friend Ben Stiller helped him.
While tragic how the original production went, I still love what we got. I went in just a few years ago with no expectations. Val's scream near the end when he is being grabbed while cosplaying as Brando's character, I love it.
You should definitely follow up with Apocalypse Now simply because Marlon Brando was equally if not more of a pain in the neck to work with, not to mention Martin Sheen nearly game ended himself due to overexertion and had to drag himself back to camp through the jungle.
Martin’s substance abuse didn’t help him either as he was frequently drunk or high. He ended up with a heart attack due to the overextension & heat of the Philippines. Thankfully he cleaned up and still gave us a great performance (among numerous others)
@@LucyLioness100 Plus, Coppola almost went mad and he was forced to make multiple re-writes, lost weight, and even contemplated suicide. Plus, the sets were destroyed by a typhoon and the production took so long that Laurence Fishburne who lied about his age to get a role was the appropriate age to have auditioned it in the first place after the film was completed after 5 years. Plus, Sheen suffered a hand injury when he broke his hand on the mirror in the infamous drinking scene.
@@rickardkaufman3988 If i remember rightly, you can actually see him mouthing 'Francis!" as he calls out the director's name in that sequence. He had a genuine drunken meltdown. Quite heart-breaking, really - and almost literally, in the end. He's lucky to be alive :-/
@@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 Well, nobody escaped unscathed from that film. Not even Coppola's career. He would make a few decent films before he crashed. Today, he does restorations of his films and is in the wine business as his film company went bankrupt when making One for the Money (1982).
@@DavidLopez-tj7jl Check out the documentary Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse if you want to know what went wrong during Apocalypse Now's production. Just to mention a few things Martin Sheen had a near fatal heart attack on set, Dennis Hopper got Laurence Fishburne hooked on heroine, Francis Ford Coppola threatened to end his life on 3 separate occasions, weather conditions destroyed many of the sets, and real dead bodies were used for the outdoor temple scenes supplied by a local grave robber. Of course Apocalypse Now turned out good unlike Island of Dr. Moreau.
Dude. I feel the worse for Stanley. As a writer, I can say getting my name slapped on something that was my project and having it turn into something I had no influence on, but still had my name on it… would be the worst damn thing. Look, if I write something that sucks; okay. That’s fair, I mean, stuff I think is awesome isn’t necessarily what everyone thinks is awesome… but at least it sinks or swims by my skill. If nobody likes it, well, I mean… I get it. But it’s mine and I can at least take pride in the fact it’s out there and hate it or love it, at least it’s there and it’s mine. Maybe it’ll become a cult classic for people who loved it or thought it was bad enough to be fun… I’d be ashamed if it were awesome and it wasn’t my work and I’d be pissed if it bombed and had my name on it and it wasn’t my fault… Gonna be a bumpy ride if my work ever gets picked up by anybody in the industry… 😣
It amuses me how listening to how difficult working with Kilmer, Brando, and various directors reminds me of dealing with public school admins. Egos and obstinence abound.
I feel like this is one of the biggest reasons why Fairuza Balk stopped acting. Also, your Raycon ad was actually pretty good. There are only a scant few TH-camrs whose commercials I sit though.
I'm a Balk Fanboy, I agree to an extent. She continued to act, but most of her subsequent roles were either far less high profile/indie offerings (American Perfekt), or obviously benign/silly projects (The Waterboy). But yeah, she eviscerates the Hollywood Machine in "Lost Soul".
@@morden279 I'm a Balk fangirl, myself. What can I say? I loved _Return to Oz_ as a child, and _The Craft_ came out right in the heat of my adolescence. I'm straight, but I've got a little crush on her. She just has such a captivating look, and it's a shame that she decided to fade away from the spotlight. But I respect her decision. Fame isn't right for everyone.
Fairuza Balk deserved and still deserves better. She was a great child actor in Return to Oz and I’m sure was destined for a great career as an actress but it seems life has a funny/sad sense of humor. As for David Thewlis, thank heavens for the Harry Potter films and Prisoner Of Azkaban.
Damn and i thought Crow's production was a nightmare, at the very least Crow is a great movie... I always felt that The Island of Dr Moreau was insane, as in characters, events and even the plot felt like it was produced in a mental asylum, the only thing you feel while watching it is constant anxiety and weirdness... turns out i was right.
Honestly throughout this whole debacle that he went through, Richard Stanley was a hero of mine - until at the very end of this video when it's revealed he was an abuser. Fuck. What a disappointment.
@@marcusblackwell2372 You're avoiding the question. Why do you care? It's extremely stupid to care. If you like someone for being a talented filmmaker and then it turns out they murdered 50 people why should that change your opinion of them at all? Who the fuck cares? Why are you so committed to engaging in a beta moral circlejerk?
Just wanted say you did a pretty good job with the pronunciation of Hoffschneider. Also, I love whenever Keanu Reeves is used as the epitome of human decency. I love that man so much!
As someone who lives in Australia when you mentioned that the director tried to get an First Nations persons to hit someone with a Digaridoo I actually let out a gasp becuase I know how wrong that is to even play around with a Dig.
@@holidayin7962 Amazon Prime's The Boys. You know, the one where superheroes are controlled by a pharma-PMC company and its leader superhero is basically a Superman Duke Nuke-em person with a sex and milk fetish and dealing with an Oedipus Complex. And in season two, he dates a Nazi and is the baby daddy of his antagonist's wife's child who was raped by him. Plus, the show is a complete critique of woke brands, racism and corporatism, rape culture, celeb frat pack life, Scientology, Evangelicalism, the military-industrial network, and the centrist to the alt-right rabbit hole. Also, there are some good moments like this romance story with a superhero who hates the company and one of the guys who works for a group taking down the superheroes.
It’s actually kind of impressive that they managed to get a somewhat, kinda, semi-coherent movie out of this fiasco. It’s a bit like comparing the Orson Welles-WineCommercial Outtakes to the finished product, only on a much bigger scale.
I mean, I always know that Hollywood often has behind the scenes drama, but HOLY SCHNIKES, between the clash of egos, yeah... Never meet your heroes indeed.
That movie is one of the most boring films I’ve sat through. The BTS is more interesting than 3.5 hours (or 5.5 hours of the rumored original cut). Cimino’s ego and United Artist’s lack of control is why the company ended up bankrupt and sold to MGM
Don't forget the massive animal abuse and Wilhem Dafoe's firing from a small role because he laughed at Cimino saying something. I mean, Cimino's career from a Oscar-winning director to schlock fests that nobody would watched was because of this and his vision was ruined by United Artists.
The humidity in Cairns is stifling so I sympathise with the cast (fun fact Woolworths is one of the largest supermarket chains in Australia so that was the context of "there's been a robbery at Woolworths")
The Drinker is an exceptional channel.. His vid on this is great, but so is yours, and the difference in presentation styles is refreshing. Dont stop yourself from making great videos just because its a topic someone else already covered. its nice to see different takes on things, keep up the great work!
After watching Critical Drinkers video on this film, I was happy to see it again. Love that opening with the David Attenborough voice. I feel bad for Richard Stanley. New Line Cinema and Val Kilmer messed him up. Its a shame what happened to Marlon Brando. He just wasn't the same. We will always love him as Don Corleone. The Godfather came out in 1972 by the way. Its a shame how terrible this film's production was but then again there are even more well known films that suffered more from horrific consequences and almost destroying beloved film studios that I think should be analysed. Incredible video CJ!
I remember the stories Orgy every night Even one of the actors as soon as no one was looking at her, straight up drove to the airport and almost left but got caught by the crew
Gotta love that David Attenborough impression. Also, I would personally say that you CAN meet your heroes, but you should also NEVER keep your hopes up. Always be at least a little bit skeptical. Because like you said, your idol can be a prick, or even worse. (Also as a furry I actually appreciate your jokes xD)
Tbh, Brando’s antics and bizarre film choices paled in comparison to Val Kilmer’s childishness Also in my humble opinion, Brando’s aesthetics choices were dope as hell for the character
His aesthetic choices were indeed dope, they're the most memorable and entertaining aspect of the film. Pity the producers didn't anticipate his antics and somehow be fully prepared to accommodate his innovations on the fly. Better to roll with his improvisations than to attempt to resist them.
I was surprised when I watched the film. Brando is more reserved than I thought he would be, and his delivery isn’t too terrible either. I really wonder what Stanley could’ve done with the film had he not been fired.
11:46 when I heard that first half I was genuinely worried you were going to reveal that some of the animals were harmed or even killed in the hurricane, or that Stanley was harmed by the animals or the hurricane, or any combination of those events, but when you revealed what actually happened I was so not expecting that I couldn't stop laughing
I like the intro. You're just as comedic as good as a critic. There's a few movies that must be ripped apart. Can't wait to see Space Jam II ripped apart by you.
@@giovannirastrelli9821 Most of the reviews on youtube about this movie are only *speaking* about the movie without showing clips of the movie. And it is for a good reason.
If you're looking for something, I happen to know of a cursed Japanese story: Yotsuya Kaiden, or sometimes known as The story of Oiwa (o-ee-wa) and Tamiya Iemon (ee-eh-mon). It's an old somewhat historic legend about a scorned woman who becomes a ghost to haunt her complete asshole husband, but if the product crew doesn't visit her grave to pay respects, the production team gets hit with numerous setbacks, and the actress playing Oiwa often ends up getting sick or badly injured. It's an interesting story to at least check out.
I saw a Nepali movie called Jungle Love on that site. The whole film is sadly blocked off the site in most countries nowadays, mostly because of its crude image quality and the glaring amounts of literary Tarzan references that it has. Not much is known about its production other than the possible fact that it is one of the many troubling factors that caused one of its stars, poor Jessica Khadka, to commit suicide. An obituary near the very beginning of said film has a picture of her as a result!
The one positive is between scenes where Brando grabbed Ron Perlman by the shoulders after realizing Perlman was playing the Sayer of the Law blind and Perlman saying something along the lines of, “You’re fucking with me, Marlon. We’ve been filming this scene how many fuckin’ weeks and you’re realizing this now?”
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@@ishootgreens1248 shut up troll
this is such a poorly paced video and is really a giant drag. really you should just quit
It's hilarious to think that most of the important people only wanted to take part in this to work with Brando and then it turned out he's one of the worst people to work with
In his defense, most of the productions were he was an asshole he had some serious personal problems, so even though his behaviour is unnacceptable, you can see why he wasn't cooperative, the dude wasn't in a good headspace. Again, not justifying, just having a bit of empathy for the guy
@@jackmesrel4933 Not to mention that he was stuck in a miserable, humid jungle as an old man while also having to deal with Val Kilmer of all people.
And to add to all that above, mostly he wasn't being a cunt like Val Kilmer but he just didn't really care anymore, and would do ridiculous shit or whatever he felt was comfortable. He knew what movies were just a paycheck. Had Stanley been there, and had he not had personal issues, I think he would've made more of an effort.
@@imaginekudryavka9485 yeah by this point in his career Brando just didn’t give a crap anymore. This is the same guy who was offered the main villain role in an animated film and decided “no I want to voice this old lady, I’ll even wear a dress and makeup whilst I record it”
its why don`t meet your idols
“Your problem is that you confuse the size of your paycheck with the size of your talent” is a god-tier insult.
If I was Val Kilmer, I would have IMMEDIATELY stfu after that one xD
And then punctuating it with a brutal cabbage fart
However, it can also be a very empowering compliment if you're an unpaid nobody like most of us.
LoL if it's true he ate cabbage to fart in scenes with Kilmer is the funniest shit I've heard: "I'm gonna make him a fart he can't refuse" XD
Having someone get bitten by a snake, another infected by a parasite, and a third mugged in Sydney may be the most Australian series of events I've ever heard.
Bitten by a spider.
Nobody caught fire from standing in the elements too long though
All they're missing is getting punched by a kangaroo.
Only thing they're missing is a crocodile attack and heatstroke and they'd reach peak Australian
So far “all they’re missing” is at least 5 things… what else?
"The relationship between Brando and the crew got so bad one actor was prohibited from handling a gun." I don't know why but this hilarious imagine being hated that much
Knowing what Brando could be like and how grouchy, stubborn and selfish he could be I can totally believe it. This is the guy who used to go behind his wife’s back by sneaking out to eat Burger King in the bushes at the dead of night when she was trying to help him lose weight
So both Brando and his Vito Corleone character had people who wanted to kill them?
The wild part to me, is that this implies people on the set had guns….. I know they call it a film shoot but I didn’t think that’s what they meant.
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I bet it was the German. Brando basically stole his entire role.
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Cool profile pic btw. Did you create it yourself?
Dude, the story of Werner Herzogs "Fitzcarraldo" is way more crazy.
Just to name an inzident: While filming in the jungle, one camera man got bit by a snake and in fear of the venom, he immediately saw his leg off on set.
What???? That’s insane
@@JoshDaGreat16 the director Herzog wrote a hole book about the insane experience that was filming this film.
Klaus Kinski was a maniac.
@@michaelsinger4638 true
@@michaelsinger4638 a straight up monster
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@Joseph Douek i am curious did SaberSpark do something? i used to watch some of his videos but i kinda grew out of his content
@Joseph Douek definitely not 👀
@@mr.r_r7199 (breaking joke chain here) there's a whole meme about saberspark being a furry cause he keeps outwardly denying it, but he has furry merch and there is plenty of furry fanart of himself that he showcases so lots of people are very suspicious about it
@Joseph Douek hmmm, I'm not sure The Click is a furry though.
@@Vlad544_ they all got the patOWOgen
It’s very much like “The Room”, where the production is weird, the movie’s weird, and the story behind it is much more interesting and probably made more money
The Room is nothing like that.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 that is exactly what happened to the room…
@@indycole396 The making of The Room is not more interesting than The Room itself, which is a masterpiece.
Tommy is at least way more charming and well meaning, the room is a masterpiece in its own special way despite most of it coming from tommys ignorance of American culture and amature director experience.
@@maverickdarkrath4780 “ignorance of American culture? What do you mean! He’s from Louisiana!”
Gonna be honest, when I heard "production nightmare" I wasn't expecting, "The French set off a nuke next to it."
You can always count of the French government to come out of nowhere and make things worse for no reason
I can remember something similar happen in the making of Genghis Khan.
@@michelletubandu mean the conqueror with John Wayne?If so they did film at a desert where nuclear tests had happened.I think a lot of those involved did end up with cancer
I'd absolutely watch a "Disaster Artist"-style movie about the making of The Island of Doctor Moreau.
YES! Someone needs to make that.
Someone please pitch that
There is one, but not exactly Disaster Artist style, but somewhat. It’s called Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley’s Island of Dr Moreau. It’s a documentary about the making of it, anyways. Might be on TH-cam not sure.
@@sugaredviolets2085 its on tubi. I watched it on there.
Why is this not an actual thing yet
As a film student, I’ve learned a valuable lesson from this: there is no actor so valuable they are worth that amount of crap they cause on set. Even if the studio demanded we keep them, and even if it cost me my job, I would fire Brando and Kilmer for making such a toxic, unworkable environment.
Less talky, more filmy. I’m the star here, I drink directors tears for breakfast.
Brando is the best thing in that movie tho
@@bowen704 film bombs. Backstage drama revealed, carrer ruined.
@@frankieseward8667 considering that Brando had destroyed his career before due to his behavior on set you think he would have learned his lesson but he didnt.
It’s something I like to remind people of in my workplace- at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what kind of skill, education or qualifications someone has for the job, if they’re so hard to deal with that absolutely no one else will work with or around them everything screeches to a halt. Sometimes it’s better to go for the next choice or do without altogether if need be.
The book is actually unironically creepy and interesting, and still pretty shocking in ways for a book close 150 years old.
The age of a book doesn’t denote it’s overall quality
Then it goes to show that stories like that will remembered for generations to come.
Yeah I know that sound profane and fluffy but it's the best I can come up with.
@@Elstree I never said it didn't, but sometimes stories that try to rebell against established norms by shocking its readers, tend to age poorly, since they eventually reach readers who are more distant from what the book was originally rebelling towards.
I mean, I’m pretty sure Wells partially wrote it to lampoon eugenicists, so that’s not that surprising
Personally, I think “Time Machine” was even creepier, but I read that first and years before, so I may just have been immured to Wells’ weird half-human fucktoys
@@warlordofbritannia*double-takes on the last part* hold up
"Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley's Island of Dr. Moreau" is one of the most interesting and entertaining film documentaries I've watched in recent years.
Hell yes! I feel like I already know so much about this production (through the Lost Soul doc as well as various videos) and yet and I'm so excited to watch another video on it.
Yeah I actually just watched for the first time the other day.. It gets insane...
Where can you find it? I’d really like to check it out because it sounds crazier than even I thought.
@@bayonetababe9697 I'm pretty sure it's on Prime?
@@Gilgaemesh Thanks I’ll check it out.
Not gonna lie, that Raycon documentary at the start was pretty interesting.
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Imagine telling H.G. Wells that one of his stories led to all this insanity.
I think he would've laughed his ass off 🤣
Still better than the adaptation of "Time Machine" directed by his grandson.
@@troodon1096 imagine not living up to one of your ancestors in your creative fields.
I think Orson Welles might have an anecdote on that
@@crimsondynamo615 to be fair his grandson is primarily an animation director, that movie was his first and I believe only attempt at doing live action
I knew someone who was on this set and he told a story that you'll probably find amusing. So Faruza Balk approached Marlon Brando while he was chatting with some friends. She told him that they should probably talk about their characters' relationship. Brando said, "Imagine... a big rose colored basket." "Uh-huh," Balk said, hanging on his every word. "Now imagine this big, rose colored basket the size of New York." "Uh-huh." "Now imagine this big, rose colored basket the size of New York filled with hundred dollar bills. That's how much they're paying me to be in this piece of shit. And that's the nature of our relationship." He then turned back to his friends and continued talking to them.
Also, Kilmer was keen on getting to know Brando because he had recently been in the film Thunderheart, and he thought it made them kindred spirits since they both showed sensitivity to the natives. (Yeah, I know.) Kilmer kept trying to chat with him about this subject, and Brando kept ignoring him because he saw him for the pretentious asshole he was. (Of course, it's the pot calling the kettle black, but whatever.)
Thought you might like those little tidbits.
I feel bad for the crew that cared for the original version of the movie, even after all that happened they still respected and wanted the original director, feel like they must have had some passion for the script original story
I feel bad for Stanley, having the thing he was so passionate about waved under his nose and then taken away, must have sucked.
I know I'm a year late to this but I couldn't agree more, I loved the H G Wells book and was excited when I found out about this film, went to the cinema to see it and was massively disappointed. I would love to have been able to see Stanley's version of it, I think it could have been amazing.
Check out Terry Gilliam's history. Nearly every movie he's every made had a production that was somewhere between "troubled" and "absolute cluster-fuck", and all for the craziest reasons, like a random flash-flood, or being denounced by the Pope.
Like the man who killed Don Quixote?
Can’t deny the man is a genius
Fellow Python, Eric Idle said he would rather re-live boarding school than do another of Gilliam's films.
@@mttylerdurden9 Yes, or, another one, having the studio head change. Ned Tannen OK'd Brazil, and, after it was complete, Sid Sheinberg refused to release it. Like, it's already done, fucker, just print it.
DENOUNCED BY THE POPE?????
Please. I need to know this story now.
“So after the Warlock blood ritual, an atomic bomb went off” is now an accurate sentence
You have to grudgingly admire a production so cursed that it literally drove its original director insane.
Not only insane but fleeing into the jungle after burning all the notes. Bloody Hell.
@@randomcenturion7264 what?
@@robotzombie4754 Yeah Richard Stanley burned and shredded a lot of important note for production after he was fired and then disappeared in the jungle for a few months.
I think the original director was insane since he hired a warlock or something like that to get Brando in the movie
Dolphin Brando and his homonculus should have had a meet cute and thus created the greatest love story of all time!
Holy shit that would be super freaky and disturbing.
(Pulls off the dolphin head) you thought I was Marlon, but I was I, Dio!
Why the fuck would anyone want to witness that?
They did. Where do you think BB-8 came from?
…meet cute sounds like a homo thing.
*"If I made a movie about Val Kilmer's life, I wouldn't hire Val Kilmer."* a quote from the director of this trainwreck of a film 😂🤣
What a chad
He also literally told someone to “ Get that bastard off my set” referring to Kilmer once Kilmer had finished filming his last scene.
At the end of the day, what killed Val Kilmer career was himself
I’ll give Kilmer credit for apologizing to Richard Stanley after Stanley was fired from the production. But boy were his fights with Frankenheimer during this legendary
In a nutshell, came a documentary about Kilmers life
"There's a robbery at Woolworths" is the greatest Brando quote of all time.
As an Australian, this made me laugh like an idiot
Stanley sneaking back onto set dressed as an extra is so funny, its like a scene from a movie in and of itself
Stanley seems like a good guy
It was a good film to be an extra on. The catering was great, made a nice little packet without doing much hard yakka and almost everyone wore crazy squishy/rubbery heads and masks, so to this day I have no idea who I am in the background (if I made it onscreen at all lol). Bonus :D
You KNOW it's really bad when the person your excited to work with tells you "go home, this movie is cursed" just my god, can you imagine ? 🤣
The fact that you mentioned that Brando and the small man character inspired Dr Mephesto from South Park made me remember that Dr Mephesto is known for creating genetic abominations and was apart of NAMBLA aka the national Association of Marlon Brando look alikes
You’ve South Parked me!
God and I thought I liked South park haha
Was it not North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes?
One of the better recent episodes.
@@philyeary8809 recent? That episode was years ago.
Quite frankly, given how hellish this production was, it's an achievement that it's mediocre and forgettable.
Poor Stanley....
At least Stanley came back with Color Out of Space.
@@crowdemon_archives unfortunately, the screenwriter of that movie accuse him of being an abusive asshat which lead to him being unable to finish his intended trilogy. I guess is that because of the movie's problems that Stanley turned into an abusive husband. Although time will tell that either Scarlett Amaris was saying the truth of she just saw Amber Heard and said "Hold my Beer".
You fell for a misogynistic smear campaign.@@jakey14344
This movie sounds like it was held together by hope and ductape given the trouble of this production.
It makes the production of Justice League seem like it was a walk in the park.
Pretty powerful duct tape to hold this together
More like despair, duct tape, and cocaine.
@@charmandyorton006 FLEX TAPE!
Marlin Brando shouting “there’s a robbery at Woolworth!” in that makeup sounds fucking hilarious
Funny that Frankenheimer was essentially hired specifically to deal with Kilmur, yet he was better at pushing around everyone EXCEPT the man he was meant to.😥
I mean, he still put him in his place.
Yeah, seems like he was a bully that couldn't take on other bullies.
this whole movie sounded like a clash of assholes.
I wanted to create a game based on the book "The Island of Dr. Moreau" as my final project for university. Now I'm glad I quit that idea and changed the subject of my game.
What was the game about?
@@pontiusporcius8430 The idea was to have a game set after the story of the book. The player searches the island for clues to find ot if the narrator of the book was telling the truth or had just gone mad.
Another student is still working on the project, but I quit it because our team didn't work.
Sounds like a great adventure game.
@@raccoonja-ronja sounds interesting...
If it's any consolation: I think the game would have a better production than the movie
@@raccoonja-ronja Reminds me of Jurassic Park: Tresspasser. Where the protag arrives on Site B after the events of the second movie. She explores, avoids being raptor chow all while Hammond’s memoirs narrate the story.
My favorite story from this fustercluck of movie production was when the original director manage to sneak back on set and end up in the movie as one of the animal hybrids.
Fustercluck is my another favourite strong language stand in now. Thanks!
I know Critical Drinker made a review on this, but I like it when multiple reviewers cover the same movie. They often talk about different aspects of the film, and have unique takes on it. It's nice to see multiple perspectives on the same topic.
It's also interesting to see which bits they find interesting or important enough to mention. Kind of reveals more of their personalities.
What about Thoughty2? He did a review on it recently!
I could hardly care about the critical drinker, he bluntly didn't care about the suicide squad a couple months ago and he said it might fail. no look where are today. the suicide squad is so critical acclaimed.
@@merloaf0332 You don't care about Drinker because he didn't predict the success of one film?
@@TwentyPercentDash he blindy critique it without even watching. a dumb move by him and ya boi dislike so yeah.
This is basically like the Episode "Queen Banana" from Miraculous Ladybug. Chloe constantly changes the plot of her classes movie against the majority of the casts wishes and doesn't even show up during filming.
Not gonna lie, I think Marlon Brando's suggestions actually worked really well - the mini-me, bucket hat, Pope-mobile and even the line about feeling hot, were all really memorable and added to the sheer insanity of the island itself. Except the dolphin... not the dolphin.
They just looked stupid man, come on
They were at the very least memorable, which is more than what the rest of the movie had going for it. People going in to see Dr. Moreau expecting weird hybrids and a generic jungle setting as its main visuals. No one expects to see Brando with a tiny man as his personal side kick while both are wearing a white gossamer robe and headdress
Not sure why you would lie about that
agreed; and fortunately unfortunate that Kilmers outlook on life at the time made him perfect for his role as well. One of my favorite movies because its so unhinged while still having a deep seeded message that makes you question humanity.
@@dawnone8924 Knowing nothing about Kilmer's antics on set, I thought his performance was pitch perfect for the story and the bizarre setting. He seems to be channelling Hunter S. Thompson throughout, and the eccentric costume changes provide a valuable snapshot of classic 90's new age style.
This film's story has GOT to be the wildest in the history of cinema.
Ikr
Nope, try *Roar*.
@@drakron Yeah, at least in this no one got mauled by giant cats.
@@drakron he made a video on that
I'm waiting for CJ to cover anything involving Klaus Kinski. Dude was batshit crazy.
... The French government... Detonated... A nuke... Next to... Marlon Brando's private island... While he was mourning the death of his daughter.
Jesus, that's a lot of bad piled into one sentence.
It’s like pouring a giant salt bag in an opened up torso.
You can always count on the French government to come make it worse at the weirdest and worst moment
It was karma
Imagine being Marlon Brando you’re just getting some alone time at your island to just contemplate what happened and how your daughter is gone then suddenly you hear a big boom and see a mushroom cloud outside your window
The worst part of the notorious production is it gets in the way of discussing the book's interesting themes and why Resident Evil 8 named a villain after a character. (Up and down, up and down! I'm the best! I plugged the exit)
Yes! I love RE, but I’m not going to lie when I say his part of the game should’ve been longer. My favorite line of his had to be “you talk too much…”
The best part is when Richard Stanley comes back with a vengence in horror films with "The Color Out of Space" after over 10 years. Seriously go see that film. Also go see Hardware
Some say, that's where Remus Lupin became a werewolf
You may have had a production hell like this movie but the biggest difference is, they went through all that crap and made a wet fart of a movie. You went through all your crap and made a entertaining and well put together video. Nice going man, you did well.
This is one of those real "what if" movie experiences, as in: what if Stanley had gotten to make the film he intended, a modest $10m thriller with a decent cast and offbeat perspective on the material; what if Brando's daughter hadn't died and his enthusiasm for the project gone with her; what if another genre director, one who perhaps could've understood the take on Wells' novel and brought an appropriate sensibility to it - like maybe John Carpenter, Wes Craven, Clive Barker, David Fincher or even David Cronenberg - could've been persuaded to take up the picture instead of the alcoholic burnout Frankenheimer, whether it still might have been salvageable...
We'll never know obviously, and it's a shame, since a definitive film version of the Wells story is still yet to be made.
Back then, David Fincher would say, "Fuck you" to New Line after 20th Century Fox ruined his film Alien 3. Like 20 minutes that were crucial to the film were cut and his desire to build a grand stage was reduced. This is not how you treat the guy who directed Madonna's Vogue and made it popular. Luckily, it seems he has the creative freedom for his films but he's proven to be a mind freak if you read what actors Jake Gyllenhaal and RDJ spoke about working with Fincher on the true-crime thriller Zodiac. Gyllenhaal was reduced to tears by Fincher's continuous demands for repetitive takes, some of which he deleted via the digital cameras he was using. RDJ left piss jars as Fincher was very strict with bathroom breaks. The guy would have been utter chaos in the film as he's also considered difficult to work with as the conflicting egos from Kilmer and Brando would have resulted in murder perhaps. Though to be fair, most of the actors he has worked with often praise him will also hating his perfectionism so he might have done things well but who knows.
With all the curses on the production of this film I don't think anyone would want to make a film adaptation of it for a very long time. It's like H. G. Welles is trying to tell people "just read the fu*king book" from beyond the grave by haunting anyone who's doing anything about adaptations of it.
I think Brando would still have been an arrogant, useless shit.
The Island Of Dr Moreau is a great book that really shows that what happens when you take away the humanity from humans. So my god I hate this fucking movie
It would better off as a miniseries by either Amazon, HBO Max, or Shudder than a movie.
Sounds like the behind the scenes portrayed the book more than the movie itself did.
The irony was that it was Moreau who was the REAL beast.
I think one of the most indicative moments of this hell on Earth was the fact that one of the female production crew members was so stressed and miserable and felt so belittled that the poor thing actually straight up tried to FLEE THE SET, but she was caught and forced to return to the set
Dr Moreau was my grand mother’s favorite movie for many years. We went to see in twice in the theaters. I got it for her on DVD not too long before she passed away but she could never figure out how to use the DVD player so I don’t think she ever watched it unless I was there to start the movie for her.
In regards to his comments about actors vs directors go, my immediate response would be, "When in front of the camera the actor does what the director tells them, so smile for the camera and act as directed." No one should be able to get away with treating their colleagues and/or employers badly just because they have what is essentially immunity to being fired.
Kilmer's actions were just awful, and Brando has no excuse either. I will say that at least he wasn't Kilmer levels of terrible, but his failure to be the bigger person about it clearly lead to more problems. I do think it was pretty cool of him in a way to have the 2 foot tall actor in the spotlight instead of a bit-part.
@@retrocatalog I had no idea that had occurred. You're definitely right about it being wild. I really appreciate you taking the time to read and respond to my comment. I hope you're doing well :)
@@retrocatalog I had no idea that had occurred. You're definitely right about it being wild. I really appreciate you taking the time to read and respond to my comment. I hope you're doing well :)
How do you follow the Empress Theresa video? Why, with a movie starring a poorly cast Hollywood icon, fraught with production issues and cast in-fighting, of course!
Your channel has my heart and all of my attention ❤️
Clash of 2 egos + a director who didn’t want to do the product after the original director was canned + problematic tropics weather = dumpster fire
@@LucyLioness100 hindsight is 20/20. Seems like the movie's ultimate fate wouldn't have been TOO hard to predict in real-time, but alas, it was not to be. Even as the chips started to fall, it seems as though TOO MUCH had been endured and invested by all involved, to shit can the production entirely. And thank God they didn't, because the entire story is so so funny 🤣
@@LucyLioness100 You basically described Aguirre: The Wrath of God. Except that film turned out to be a success and the actor and director who tried killing themselves ended becoming friends.
WHAAAAAT!!!??? YOU!!!??? GAAAAAH! ME SO HAPPY!!!
@@AlexK42069 hi babes! I'm sure you're shocked to find out that I talk a lot, everywhere, all the time. But I guess the cat's out of the bag, now!
You should do a video on the production of Alien 3. David fincher had said "i'd rather get Colon Cancer than direct another movie" after the movie was finished
I saw this film as a kid in in a theater when it was released. I loved it, because it was batshit crazy. It seemed like neither Brando nor Kilmer realized they were acting in a movie.
Australia didn't disappoint with horrendous weather, wildlife involved and a mugging in Sydney😂
The best version of the novel is.
The Island Of Doctor Hibbert.
Honestly though
Yep, such a Simpsons’ Treehouse of Horror parody is indeed a lot better than all three cinematic adaptations of Dr Moreau’s Island.
Without a doubt.
Honestly YEAH hahaha
Ron Perlman has two chapters in his memoir: "Easy Street (The Hard Way)", dedicated to his time on The Island of Dr Moreau.
Some key points in those chapters:
- Richard hired Ron because he was a fanboy of his, liking a lot of the performances he did in makeup.
- Much like a lot of people in the film, Ron wanted to do it to work with his idol; Marlon Brando.
- It was Ron's idea to play The Sayer blind. He suggested it to John Frankenheimer, who loved the idea, allowing the makeup team to give Ron milky contact lenses. When he wore them, he was actually blind.
- When Ron first met Marlon (Ron was in full makeup as The Sayer), Marlon thought he was the makeup effects artist.
- Nelson de la Rosa was known for being a sex addict on set. Sometimes he would have trouble walking (Due to his height), so he'd have these two young female helpers to take care of his every need. He spent his time tweaking their nipples. When he was carried over to meet Brando, he was trying to remove his helper's breast from her blouse.
- When Marlon asked Nelson how many films he had been in, Nelson said "two". Ron quipped; _"Yeah, and both of 'em were this one"_ . Brando gave Ron a sad look.
- During the trial scene, Frankenheimer wanted a close up of Brando. Marlon refused to do the scene unless the extras were given shade or a coke, offering to buy each one a bottle with his own money. He also said; _"And by the way, get rid of this guy, because he's bothering me."_ . He was referring to Ron.
- Brando referred to Frankenheimer as a "Nazi" for refusing to give in to his demands during the trial scene. John asked how Marlon could call him that. Marlon said he knew what it was like to be a Nazi because of his performance in Young Lions (Marlon played a german officer).
- One day, Ron was sitting on a stool, he felt two hands violently hit his shoulder. He got a fright, it was Marlon. He realised that Ron was actually blind during filming. Marlon asked John to reshoot the trail, but John refused. Marlon respected Ron for playing it blind, thanking him for gifting him afro caribbean cd's. Marlon said: _"That shit is great! You shoulda come to my trailer. I been dancing my ass off the whole time!"_ . He went on to tell him; _"You're playing blind. You're playing the guy who's responsible for justice, blind. That's fucking genius."_
- Ron learned that Marlon was a fan of his performances in Quest for Fire and Name of the Rose. He requested John give Kilmer's lines to Ron, saying _"There's a guy who could actually handle it."_
Interesting
Thanks for the bonus info.
Wow
John Goodman is also the voice of Sully in Monsters Inc!
@@SlapstickGenius23 Nah. That's John Goodman.
This entire thing feels like a beginner fanfic writer reaching around desperately for a way to escalate the stakes, and in the end they start throwing everything they have at the wall in the hope that something sticks.
Well, certain fanfiction writers like me are far better than that.
It's a slapstick situation.
The Billy Mayes of bad luck really went "but I'm not done yet" throughout the entire production. It's astounding.
its astounding that a coherent film was able to actually be made.
If there is anything I have learned from this movie and Apocalypse Now, it is never do a movie with Marlon Brando in a jungle. Apparently those two elements together is an offering that the Gods of Chaos will reward in spades.
Ironic the studio wanted to have big name actors to make the film a success. Big names actors doesn't mean your film will be good especially if they cannot work with others.
Hollywood needs to get into the mindset of casting actors based on the actors' strengths and how well suited they are to the characters. Not casting based on who's on this years A List.
This especially applies to voice acting, cuz the actor isn't on screen, they're just reduced to a voice. Casting by name over suitability is how we got stuff like Chris Pratt voicing Mario and Garfield...
this is the single best raycon ad I've ever seen
Internet historian: “and I took that personally”
@@Elstree raycon good, wire bad
After seeing this, all I can think is "This was the premise of Tropic Thunder"...
Hey, at least Tropic Thunder was about dudes playing dudes disguised as other dudes. And there was nothing catastrophic other than Owen Wilson's part had to be replaced by his friend/ actor-director Ben Stiller due to the tragic suicide attempt that Owen was recovering from and the erratic weather and difficult terrain the crew dealt with when filming on the Hawaiian island of Kaua'i. The controversy regarding Simple Jack and especially RDJ's role as an Australian method actor doing blackface for an Oscar were prominent features of concern when making this film and today, people still have mixed opinions over this decision calling it excellent satire or distasteful.
@@rickardkaufman3988 He was....refering to the PLOT of the movie not its production, and it was all obviously non subtle SATIRE nothing wrong with Kirk Lazarus and especially simple jack which was a JAB at people who fail miserably to portray autistic characters
@@rickardkaufman3988 Wait really? Owen Wilson of all people? He seems like the most non depressed laid back dude ever. Then again Robin Williams. Glad Owen is still with us. Miss you Robin.
@@theangryholmesian4556 Yeah, he was severely depressed and attempted suicide and had to be treated for depression. It wasn't a good time for his life back then. His brother Andrew and friend Ben Stiller helped him.
@@rickardkaufman3988 No kidding. I had no idea!
While tragic how the original production went, I still love what we got. I went in just a few years ago with no expectations. Val's scream near the end when he is being grabbed while cosplaying as Brando's character, I love it.
20:00 Ironic that the guy who played Jor-El and the guy who played Batman hated each other.
That irony is just beautiful
The primary reason this movie went downhill.
You should definitely follow up with Apocalypse Now simply because Marlon Brando was equally if not more of a pain in the neck to work with, not to mention Martin Sheen nearly game ended himself due to overexertion and had to drag himself back to camp through the jungle.
Goddamn, I wouldn’t want to imagine a timeline without Martin Sheen; sounds like Apocalypse Now was nearly an cataclysmic production
Martin’s substance abuse didn’t help him either as he was frequently drunk or high. He ended up with a heart attack due to the overextension & heat of the Philippines. Thankfully he cleaned up and still gave us a great performance (among numerous others)
@@LucyLioness100 Plus, Coppola almost went mad and he was forced to make multiple re-writes, lost weight, and even contemplated suicide. Plus, the sets were destroyed by a typhoon and the production took so long that Laurence Fishburne who lied about his age to get a role was the appropriate age to have auditioned it in the first place after the film was completed after 5 years. Plus, Sheen suffered a hand injury when he broke his hand on the mirror in the infamous drinking scene.
@@rickardkaufman3988 If i remember rightly, you can actually see him mouthing 'Francis!" as he calls out the director's name in that sequence. He had a genuine drunken meltdown. Quite heart-breaking, really - and almost literally, in the end. He's lucky to be alive :-/
@@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494 Well, nobody escaped unscathed from that film. Not even Coppola's career. He would make a few decent films before he crashed. Today, he does restorations of his films and is in the wine business as his film company went bankrupt when making One for the Money (1982).
This film was an offer Marlon Brando ended up wishing he'd refused.
It must have been a goddamn Frigging Paycheck!
No kidding
@@KBGVideos1Indeed
This rivals Apocalypse Now for it's clusterfuck production. Except one turned out good unlike the other.
What was so wrong with Apocalypse Now?
@@DavidLopez-tj7jl Too many setbacks, Marlon being a bitch, and drugs. Check out the video made by The Drinker about it's production, it's nuts
But then again it became a success and will always be treasured as a classic, while this movie is not
@@DavidLopez-tj7jl Check out the documentary Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse if you want to know what went wrong during Apocalypse Now's production. Just to mention a few things Martin Sheen had a near fatal heart attack on set, Dennis Hopper got Laurence Fishburne hooked on heroine, Francis Ford Coppola threatened to end his life on 3 separate occasions, weather conditions destroyed many of the sets, and real dead bodies were used for the outdoor temple scenes supplied by a local grave robber. Of course Apocalypse Now turned out good unlike Island of Dr. Moreau.
Waterworld and LXG had real production problems as well.
Dude. I feel the worse for Stanley.
As a writer, I can say getting my name slapped on something that was my project and having it turn into something I had no influence on, but still had my name on it… would be the worst damn thing.
Look, if I write something that sucks; okay. That’s fair, I mean, stuff I think is awesome isn’t necessarily what everyone thinks is awesome… but at least it sinks or swims by my skill. If nobody likes it, well, I mean… I get it. But it’s mine and I can at least take pride in the fact it’s out there and hate it or love it, at least it’s there and it’s mine. Maybe it’ll become a cult classic for people who loved it or thought it was bad enough to be fun…
I’d be ashamed if it were awesome and it wasn’t my work and I’d be pissed if it bombed and had my name on it and it wasn’t my fault…
Gonna be a bumpy ride if my work ever gets picked up by anybody in the industry… 😣
As an author, I have no interest in signing the rights to my work to anyone in Hollywood, which can burn down for all I care.
It amuses me how listening to how difficult working with Kilmer, Brando, and various directors reminds me of dealing with public school admins. Egos and obstinence abound.
And I would say they may not be entirely human.
You can't see California without Marlon Brando's Eyes.
Edit: Apocalypse Now: Redux will forever be my favorite.
I feel like this is one of the biggest reasons why Fairuza Balk stopped acting.
Also, your Raycon ad was actually pretty good. There are only a scant few TH-camrs whose commercials I sit though.
I'd love to know what it was actually like for Balk and Thewlis on a daily basis, since they seem like neutral observers rather than trouble makers.
I'm a Balk Fanboy, I agree to an extent. She continued to act, but most of her subsequent roles were either far less high profile/indie offerings (American Perfekt), or obviously benign/silly projects (The Waterboy). But yeah, she eviscerates the Hollywood Machine in "Lost Soul".
@@morden279 I'm a Balk fangirl, myself. What can I say? I loved _Return to Oz_ as a child, and _The Craft_ came out right in the heat of my adolescence. I'm straight, but I've got a little crush on her. She just has such a captivating look, and it's a shame that she decided to fade away from the spotlight. But I respect her decision. Fame isn't right for everyone.
Fairuza Balk deserved and still deserves better. She was a great child actor in Return to Oz and I’m sure was destined for a great career as an actress but it seems life has a funny/sad sense of humor. As for David Thewlis, thank heavens for the Harry Potter films and Prisoner Of Azkaban.
@@chasehedges6775 Too true. Although, David Thewlis always kinda creeps me out for some reason. He and Fairuza both play spooky people way too well.
Critical Drinker's video on the production of this nightmare was hilarious.
I watch him too!
Nah, it'll be fine.
Have he and CJ ever crossed paths before????? There both mutual friends of MauLer and are members/guests of EFAP??????
I think they were on efap 100 at the same time. Towards the end of the first part
@@aidanaidan8662 May I ask you something about Cynical and MauLer??????
“There’s a robbery at Woolworths!” 💀
Damn and i thought Crow's production was a nightmare, at the very least Crow is a great movie... I always felt that The Island of Dr Moreau was insane, as in characters, events and even the plot felt like it was produced in a mental asylum, the only thing you feel while watching it is constant anxiety and weirdness... turns out i was right.
Honestly throughout this whole debacle that he went through, Richard Stanley was a hero of mine - until at the very end of this video when it's revealed he was an abuser. Fuck. What a disappointment.
Why do you care that he's an abuser
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 because he really admired him & now all that admiration has been thrown out to the sea
@@marcusblackwell2372 Yeah but why do you care if someone's morally a good person or not. That has no bearing on how cool or interesting they are.
@@neo-filthyfrank1347 because learning something like that about a person you admire may permit you not to watch anything made or staring that person
@@marcusblackwell2372 You're avoiding the question. Why do you care? It's extremely stupid to care. If you like someone for being a talented filmmaker and then it turns out they murdered 50 people why should that change your opinion of them at all? Who the fuck cares? Why are you so committed to engaging in a beta moral circlejerk?
Well the two good things I can say about this movie is that the movie had good makeup and the poster was neat looking.
Okay, the David Attenborough-esque promo was frickin' hilarious!
Just wanted say you did a pretty good job with the pronunciation of Hoffschneider. Also, I love whenever Keanu Reeves is used as the epitome of human decency. I love that man so much!
As someone who lives in Australia when you mentioned that the director tried to get an First Nations persons to hit someone with a Digaridoo I actually let out a gasp becuase I know how wrong that is to even play around with a Dig.
I swear that ad in the beginning earned you an automatic Like.
"Never meet your heroes."
The Boys described in four words.
What boys? Gus and Eddy??
@@holidayin7962 Amazon Prime's The Boys. You know, the one where superheroes are controlled by a pharma-PMC company and its leader superhero is basically a Superman Duke Nuke-em person with a sex and milk fetish and dealing with an Oedipus Complex. And in season two, he dates a Nazi and is the baby daddy of his antagonist's wife's child who was raped by him. Plus, the show is a complete critique of woke brands, racism and corporatism, rape culture, celeb frat pack life, Scientology, Evangelicalism, the military-industrial network, and the centrist to the alt-right rabbit hole. Also, there are some good moments like this romance story with a superhero who hates the company and one of the guys who works for a group taking down the superheroes.
Poor Thewlis he just looks so confused the whole time. Rip his leg
Thewlis would have picked Hogwarts than going to Moreau's Island.
It’s actually kind of impressive that they managed to get a somewhat, kinda, semi-coherent movie out of this fiasco. It’s a bit like comparing the Orson Welles-WineCommercial Outtakes to the finished product, only on a much bigger scale.
This movie's difficult production was because the universe was trying to stop this movie from being made.
I mean, I always know that Hollywood often has behind the scenes drama, but HOLY SCHNIKES, between the clash of egos, yeah... Never meet your heroes indeed.
The production of James Cameron's the Abyss was notoriously difficult. May want to make a video on that.
Two words.
"Heaven's Gate".
Now, that is a cursed movie
That movie is one of the most boring films I’ve sat through. The BTS is more interesting than 3.5 hours (or 5.5 hours of the rumored original cut). Cimino’s ego and United Artist’s lack of control is why the company ended up bankrupt and sold to MGM
At least Heaven’s Gate has a pretty good extended edition. The original is actually pretty meh due to heavy amounts of bad executive meddling.
Don't forget the massive animal abuse and Wilhem Dafoe's firing from a small role because he laughed at Cimino saying something. I mean, Cimino's career from a Oscar-winning director to schlock fests that nobody would watched was because of this and his vision was ruined by United Artists.
The humidity in Cairns is stifling so I sympathise with the cast (fun fact Woolworths is one of the largest supermarket chains in Australia so that was the context of "there's been a robbery at Woolworths")
The Drinker is an exceptional channel.. His vid on this is great, but so is yours, and the difference in presentation styles is refreshing. Dont stop yourself from making great videos just because its a topic someone else already covered. its nice to see different takes on things, keep up the great work!
After watching Critical Drinkers video on this film, I was happy to see it again. Love that opening with the David Attenborough voice. I feel bad for Richard Stanley. New Line Cinema and Val Kilmer messed him up. Its a shame what happened to Marlon Brando. He just wasn't the same. We will always love him as Don Corleone. The Godfather came out in 1972 by the way. Its a shame how terrible this film's production was but then again there are even more well known films that suffered more from horrific consequences and almost destroying beloved film studios that I think should be analysed. Incredible video CJ!
I remember the stories
Orgy every night
Even one of the actors as soon as no one was looking at her, straight up drove to the airport and almost left but got caught by the crew
It was faruiza balk
Gotta love that David Attenborough impression.
Also, I would personally say that you CAN meet your heroes, but you should also NEVER keep your hopes up. Always be at least a little bit skeptical. Because like you said, your idol can be a prick, or even worse.
(Also as a furry I actually appreciate your jokes xD)
Also, while meeting your "heroes", treat them as humans, not some mystical being.
@@crowdemon_archives definitely!
Tbh, Brando’s antics and bizarre film choices paled in comparison to Val Kilmer’s childishness
Also in my humble opinion, Brando’s aesthetics choices were dope as hell for the character
His aesthetic choices were indeed dope, they're the most memorable and entertaining aspect of the film. Pity the producers didn't anticipate his antics and somehow be fully prepared to accommodate his innovations on the fly.
Better to roll with his improvisations than to attempt to resist them.
I was surprised when I watched the film. Brando is more reserved than I thought he would be, and his delivery isn’t too terrible either. I really wonder what Stanley could’ve done with the film had he not been fired.
At some point I forgot you were talking about Richard Stanly, because I've never heard of him, & kept thinking about Stan Lee & Stanly Kubrick.
11:46 when I heard that first half I was genuinely worried you were going to reveal that some of the animals were harmed or even killed in the hurricane, or that Stanley was harmed by the animals or the hurricane, or any combination of those events, but when you revealed what actually happened I was so not expecting that I couldn't stop laughing
This might seem out-of-topic but I'd highly recommend the Val Kilmer documentary "VAL" out of spite.
I swear, this ad was better than Internet Historian's.
The highest of praises
Most Highest Of rewards
no
I appreciate the compliment, but let's not go that far! That man is a god and has totally ruined ads for the rest of us!
The Raycon ad at the beginning with the David Attenborough impression was hilarious af!
I can't help but laugh imaging someone rage eating a whole bunch of cabbage just for the future farts 😂
I like the intro. You're just as comedic as good as a critic. There's a few movies that must be ripped apart. Can't wait to see Space Jam II ripped apart by you.
You should cover “Caligula.” Very similar production backstory.
The problem with this movie is that it’s not very “TH-cam friendly” with all its nudity and the hardcore pr0n scenes
@@ThaBotmon Other people reviewed it. You can work around the nudity and violence for the review.
@@giovannirastrelli9821 Most of the reviews on youtube about this movie are only *speaking* about the movie without showing clips of the movie. And it is for a good reason.
If you're looking for something, I happen to know of a cursed Japanese story: Yotsuya Kaiden, or sometimes known as The story of Oiwa (o-ee-wa) and Tamiya Iemon (ee-eh-mon). It's an old somewhat historic legend about a scorned woman who becomes a ghost to haunt her complete asshole husband, but if the product crew doesn't visit her grave to pay respects, the production team gets hit with numerous setbacks, and the actress playing Oiwa often ends up getting sick or badly injured. It's an interesting story to at least check out.
I saw a Nepali movie called Jungle Love on that site. The whole film is sadly blocked off the site in most countries nowadays, mostly because of its crude image quality and the glaring amounts of literary Tarzan references that it has.
Not much is known about its production other than the possible fact that it is one of the many troubling factors that caused one of its stars, poor Jessica Khadka, to commit suicide. An obituary near the very beginning of said film has a picture of her as a result!
The one positive is between scenes where Brando grabbed Ron Perlman by the shoulders after realizing Perlman was playing the Sayer of the Law blind and Perlman saying something along the lines of, “You’re fucking with me, Marlon. We’ve been filming this scene how many fuckin’ weeks and you’re realizing this now?”