Someone saw / sees you coming?! I got two E5-2667 v3 for so much less than $2400. EBay sells them for between $80/each to $250/each. 8 core at 3.2Ghz each.
Xeon E3-1231 v3 is basically an i7 4770. Just not overclockable and without an integrated graphics unit. Costs 100$ less than the i7 and can even run cooler due to the missing GPU. Thats a very nice thing for a gaming PC
You guys don't get it ... he uses coke as a upper 20 minutes before shooting the video, then he smokes a joint, the downer, 5 minutes before shooting the video. What you watch is the final result ....
One thing I've found is sometimes xeons can be found much cheaper than core series if you are buying a used cpu from a previous generation. I've built a couple of machines for friends using xeon cpus I got cheap when a company upgraded their fleet of servers and sold off the old stock. This type of situation is one of the only times I'd recommend getting a xeon for a consumer build.
+LiquidPanic Oh wow, i sure do love paying 3.6k $ on a cpu... The i7 5960x is equal to the Xeon E5-2699 V3 in terms of performance. Now, i will admit the xeon has more cores, but who the fuck wants to pay an extra 2.6k on 8 extra cores ? The i7 5960x is the winner between both
PyroRaider Lol, You actually think the 5960x matches the 2699 v3 in performance? Let's just take a look at this for a second, they are using the same architecture, so clock for clock, core for core, they'regoing to perform the same right. Here is a simple calculation, the 5960x has 8 cores at a max boost of 3.5ghz, equaling a basic performance score of 28 (8 core x 3.5ghz). Now the 2699 v3 will only turbo to about 2.6ghz under full load, with 18 cores, giving it a performance of 46.8 on the same scale. Do you now realize how dumb you sounds saying they're equal? Plus hyperthreading increases multicore performance even more when you add more cores.
+PyroRaider yeah obviously withing similar generations. im sure a xeon out there that is ten years old wont beat a brand new i7 or even a i5. look at passmark scores. at top rank are xeons that cost thousands. and have many cores with HT. lol
***** The i7 would be useless for gaming, it has no benefit. The i7 is just like an i5, except it has hyperthreading, which is useful for things like rendering videos, editing photos, or anything like that.
While building a computer for both data analysis and gaming, I went ahead with a Xeon E3-1230 v3 over an i5 or i7. At the time, the processor was close to the price of an i5 with the performance of an i7 (and I was going to have a dedicated GPU anyway). I can't count the number of people who told me, "but Xeons aren't for gaming". Good video Linus
Same here its just idiots who think that only i5/i7 processors are good for gaming and everything else is shit, so many noobs give out false information before they've bothered doing any research or testing themselves.
Thanks for the good explanation. I ran a server on a consumer grade Gigabyte non-ECC board 24/7/365 for 4 years without issue. Rebooted once a year for updates. So non-ECC systems can also work quite reliably
+GaryKildall Yea, I use mine for Notepad and Paintbrush. The heaviest load was playing Minesweeper in expert mode. Temps were so low and I got tons of fps. Its a good chip.
+Codeplayer Well the Xeon 8 core calculated that average hamster can run 8 miles at night and collect and store 44 pounds of food before winter. That's where super computing is meant for ;-)
1.Xeons are i7 that dont have K's and IGPs with them 2.Xeons run cooler and cheaper like Xeon E3 1230 v3 than i7 4770 ..so yes it's good for gaming and multi tasking.
@@karinano1stan you say it the E5-1600( v2) Xeons are overclocking monsters, especially the e5-1650 v0 and the e5-1680V2, 1660 v2. 1660 is the hardest to overclock over 4,8 GHz.
Last year I got a Xeon E3-1280 V2 for much less than I would have had to spend for a 3770K. The 1280 V2 is roughly comparable to the 3770K and cost much less, thus giving me better bang-for-the-buck and extending the life of my HTPC. It was not worth the extra money just to have the ability to overclock, which I don't need anyway. My motherboard is effectively maxed out now, but I'll still get another three years out of it easily. Ten years is a pretty good run for any motherboard.
Xeon might be designed for servers but let's face it, the best Xeon at the moment (E5-2699 v3) gets almost the double performance of the best i7 at the moment (i7-5960X). So why even bother questioning which one is better? It's freaking clear Xeon is more powerful by far, for server AND for gaming, but when it comes to prices it's a different story.
Well, xeon e5 2699 v3 cinebench r15 score is about 2300, i7 5960x(without OC) cinebench r 15 score is about 1500. However, cinebench results show the full cpu rendering power. If a video game only uses 6 cores even for a 18 core cpu, 5960x could beat 2699v3 in this situation because of higher frequency. And if a game can only use 4 cores, i7 4770 could beat 5960x for the same reason. But this is could only be theory. I have a pc with i7 4770k and a workstation with dual e5 2670v3, and I am planning to test some games on both configuration.
Oh, I have tested some on them. My 4770k's cinebench score is about 720 while dual e5 2670v3's is about 2880. And I also did some rendering test using 3ds max + vray. Dual e5 is about 4 times faster than single i7. Don't know how game test will turn out. But I will do that in next couple of days.
chlbrn no duh CPU rendering will be alot faster with the dual 18-core hyperthreaded CPUs compared to a single i7 with 8 cores as rendering is a preset set of data while gaming really is a dynamic set of data especially if it is a game with physics turned on high or whatever is the most demanding in its options. the i7 will win at gaming while the Xeon 2699 v3 blew it away at rendering thus why cinabench lies about CPUs as more cores almost always equals better in it.
yumri4 No, Cinebench doesn't lie. It is just a render engine with a small scene to show the rendering power. So it is a method to evaluate the rendering power, if you are doing cpu rendering, then it is good, don't use it to compare server cpu to gaming cpu. Also, 3d software has physics and simulation which is similar to real time but higher level of accuracy.
chlbrn still cinabench will almost always say the CPU with more cores is better if both are clocked the same. Now if one CPU with more cores is clocked lower than the other with fewer cores then it depends on how it was coded and how big the differnece is but ussualy same thing the CPU with more cores will come out ahead in a CPU rendering test just becuase it can do more at the same time. Thus why cinabench sucks at that aspect ... except for workstations and rendering spefic rigs but then the workstations and rendering spefic rigs most times use the GPU to render with not the CPU and yes i know the CPU is used for physics and simulations in most programs so thus more cores = better in that siturtaion. Cinebench just mainly isnt a good mentric to use unless you are compareing alike things together like a 4 core CPU to another 4 core CPU or multiple 8 core CPUs to one another. As then that metric breaking thing will be gone and away with as really how many ppl actually use CPU physics which are not in the design screen? Same with with CPU driven simulations? both are ussualy in a design screen and can take around 5~10 minutes for a animation to play through correctly on a lower end build of course. In games though or at least in many games anyways it is baked already so no matter how it is done when you hit the trigger you will get the same animaiton ... sometimes seen as a flaw in the game but it is used to save a ton of computing power.
Fun fact about the E3-1246 is that it runs cooler than the i7 4790. At full load it barely goes past 51C with air cooling. I have a Zalman cnps14x and in idle avg core temp is 27C.
+ArJuN AJ Those E3-1230 revisions have always been great value - costs about the same as top-of-the-line i5 but performs like a top-of-the-line i7, just without the IGP which is useless when you have a dedicated GPU anyway (don't say QuickSync, at least for nVidia users there is NVENC SIP core since Kepler)
+ArJuN AJ Extra cores will help a lot for developers. It takes me several times more time to compile the same Linux kernel on an Ivy Bridge Core i5 laptop (dual core with HT, 2.5GHz, a late 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro) than an Ivy Bridge dual Xeon workstation (12 cores total with HT, 2.1GHz, a pair of E5-2620v2), even though the laptop is running on pure SSD while the workstation is running on an RAID 10 array of spinning platters.
Very, I have a W3680 and its paired up with 12gb of RAM and A 1050ti. Super simple budget gaming rig. Performs well, but doesn't crank out ray tracing at 4k 60fps, obviously
"gaming favors 4 faster cores rather than many slower cores" Times really have changed... Nowadays those V3 xeons with 6 or 8 cores are epic for gaming
Here is also this point that can be useful for some scenarios: Xeons, being server-grade hardware, if used in server or workstation grade setups, can last for a very long time. I have a Core 2 Q9300 (which happened to be is just a rebadged Xeon E3000 series for that generation) in workstation grade hardware, and it lasted for 6 years and is still in active service. I will upgrade this machine very soon just because the motherboard don't have enough PCIe slots and I am facing bottlenecks interfacing the GTX 650 Ti upgrade, but even after the upgrade the old motherboard and CPU will still be in active service and used in another chassis with some other old parts thrown in as a HTPC.
No one is going to buy a E3 Xeon or a I7 Just to game.. Where are the real results like rendering. $250 Xeon 1231 V3 VS $230 I5 4690k VS $300 I7 4770 VS $330 I7 4790k. Please do a real testing with productivity in mind. With no overclocking.
+t800 Ya all the reviews of the Xeon 1231 v3 that I've seen compare them to overclocked cpus and mostly use gaming to compare. If all we wanted to-do is game we'd get a i5 xxxx. I don't think Intel wants people to see the value in Xeons..
I can give an example of Xeon vs i7. I do periodic forecasts for mainframe metrics. To do this process we do a combination of linear models against a calendar of known events and ARIMA on residuals. We do a permutation\combination phase which we evaluate 25 calendar events across 3 environments for a total of 3^25 possible models (In-sample validation is used to select the most accurate model). Since it is a non-critical forecast I don't get any beefy hardware to run the process. I do however have two machines, and i7 and a Xeon, both with 32gbs of ram (The Xeon has ECC ram). To run the process on the i7 takes about 4 days (72ish hours) in total to evaluate and forecast 365 days out (it's auto trimmed at 120 days since the confidence interval is to large to be useful). When ran on the Xeon it takes about 16 hours. When it comes to serious scientific stuff or hard core number crunching (as in complexity and volume of data) the Xeon is superior between the two. It appears to be workload sensitive.
Xeons can actually be cheaper, if you're not going for the insane 18-core E5-2699. A Xeon E3-1231 will cost about 230 euros and perform just like a Core i7 4770(K), which costs about 270 euros. This applies to software as well as games. Where it really comes into its own is when software takes advantage of hyperthreading/many cores, like x264 encoders (like Handbrake). If you want the performance of an i7, don't need the integrated GPU (Intel's suck anyway, so don't even bother unless you're fine with running only the Windows desktop) and don't care for overclocking, then a Xeon can actually be a cheaper and and better alternative. And you don't have to use ECC memory. And most motherboards support them (a BIOS upgrade might be needed though), so the technical hurdle is nonexistent.
I am CAD & CAM user (Solidedge, solidworks and Keyshot/V-RAY) and I have a Xeon 1505-m for my ThinkPad! and it has never crashed ever. It works like butter.
So here is the question; Assuming I can game on the Xeon without significant performance losses, what would I gain productivity wise as compared to an i7? My primary use is 3D rendering and image editing in photoshop.
@@hazikrabbani3496 Intergrated Graphic Processing... which mean you need hook up you monitor to Graphic Card for display and you cannot use motherboard build in ports for display.
What do you think? CPU: Xeon E3-1231v3 CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho 120 Rev.A GPU: Asus R9 390 Direct CU III RAM: 2x4 GB Corsair Veangence LP PSU: Corsair RM550 HDD: WesternDigital Blue 1TB SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB Mainboard: Asus H97M-PLUS Case: Phanteks Enthoo evolv For 1440p Gaming, and 3d CAD Modelling
+jakeplays Buy 32GB RAM(4x8GB) for quad chanell(probably as Xeon it fully support that) if u need Xeon badly. N 8GB RAM is small amount for any CAD n game today. N i don't know why Xeon E3-1231v3 it's slow Hasswell procesor for 24/7 work, nothing special. probably much better will be i7 5820k(6 cores, huge cache, support quad chanel) or 6700k(4 cores, very fast in games, can be safe overclocked to 4.6GHz n beat more expensive CPUs, support sadly only dual chanel) n they can use DDR4. If u don't want DDR4 i7 4790 probably will be better becouse can use wi-fi n is little faster. I will say Pick Xeon only if u need special ECC RAM(it's slower in most cases than standard DDR3).
+Tomasz “Tom” Huber DDR4 is slightly worse than DDR3 in games, and, I don't know about modelling, but 8GB of RAM is not a small amount for today's games. Even new games like the Witcher 3 and Star Wars: Battlefront don't fully use 8GB of RAM.
wanted the 4790k but over budget so for $50 less getting the 1231 v3. this is to replace my i5 3330 i have been using for over 2 years and has been the biggest bottleneck to multitasking and even gaming once i upgraded to a r9 280x from a gtx 650. if you dont overclock, prefer low'er' power consumption, and don't care your pc component doesn't have badass codename like 'devil's canyon' then it looks like a xeon is for you :D
Is xeon bettter for music production? I am a audio engineer and would like to build my own computer now. I am going to replace my old Sweetwater Creation Station Extreme rackmount computer. I was planning to go with the following regarding cpu and mobo: - intel i7 5820 - Asrock x99 extreme 4 But now I am a little bit confused. Should I go with the xeon E5-1650 v3, a workstation mobo? Any recommendation regarding best RAM (16GB at least) for the xeon processor? I use Pro Tools 12 (and 10 when session with rtas), and a lot of plugins (slate digital / waves mainly) and virtual instruments (slate drums and toontrack drums). I need something very stable that can handle heavy Pro Tools sessions. I might even install MAC O/S on the system only if it runs smooth and without issues. Thanks.
In december 2015 i had to make a choice between I7 4790 for 430$ or Xeon e3 1231 v3 for 305$ for gaming pc. I chose the xeon and im realy satisfied with it and i saved 125$. At the end of 2017 it still do everything i want to do and play every game at high graphic with a gtx 970. Realy happy with Xeon
blockpotato why new? there is a decent chance, your 290x was in a mining rig, and ran 24/7 on max load. on the other hand: $200 is still a decent price for it
With the rising price of the i7-6700k, I ended up going with a Xeon E3-1230 v5 with th eAsus E3 Pro Gaming V5 motherboard from Newegg. The processor was $275 instead of $412 (current price for i7-6700k), so I'd say it's the best bang for the buck.
a true scotsman uth yeah, too bad, I still think Intel i7s are overpriced i5s are ripofs and AMD just plain sucks I dream for the day when octacore cpus become mainstream and only $100 :(
I'm getting a Xeon E3-1231 V3 for my new rig. I don't overclock, and I don't upgrade often so when I do it needs to be a high quality product that will last. The build quality alone tempted me to this series of CPU's. The fact that they're slightly more unusual teases me as well. Should be a good choice for a HTPC gaming rig as the TDP on them is so low.
NeedMoreMushrooms Don't tell me how to apply value to goods. not haveing integrated graphics and not having overclocking capability has value to me. this means i am willing to pay more for a cpu that doesn't have integrated graphics and no overclocking capability.
Jazoray I mean, the Xeons cost less actually with the same performance of a standard i7 equivalent, the ones that are more powerful and dont need overclocks cost pretty much the same..
Jazoray but the new directx12 makes it possible to make use of the integrated graphics alongside with your GPU. You will gain more power this way. It will make better use of that unused integrated graphics this way.
End 2017 I bought a Xeon W3550 @3.07GHz, Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4 GB, 8 GB system, Windows 7 professional for almost 450 euro. When I looked at core i7, I had to pay almost twice as much. Xeon works perfectly for gaming. The computer shop created your comp for you. Best shop ever.
@@NewtzT-V yeah! I've been looking at the t3500 motherboards but they dont fit in a case. So I was looking on Ali Express to get a cheap chinese motherboard. Looks like the z400 motherboard would fit in a case. Does it? Thanks for the reply. I have a w3530 atm.
Just for me: I found the Xeon E5-2667 v3 (8 core at 3.2Ghz base) to provide a good balance between programming, compiling, rendering, etc., and game playing (even at the same time).
HP Zbook 16 G6 Cpu: Intel® Xeon® E 2286M-16MB Cache Ram: 16GB DDR4 128GB Hard:256GB SSD Graphic: Nvidia Quadro RTX3000-6GB Display:15.6"-FHD Is a good laptop for programing and Ai
Planning to make some massive battles in Arma 3 hopefully with 1000s of AIs. Gonna use dedicated server with headless client. Would using multiple high end commercial Xeon chips work better then an I7 for this?
to make it easy Xeon is for virtualization while cores i7 is for one use. good analogy is 10 guys that weigh 10 Ib each OR One guy that weigh 100IB. 10 guys can be divided to work on different site at the same time efficiently while one big guy can work only on one site at the time.
I have I Xeon-E3 on my workstation, both at work and at home. I mostly do programming, PCB CAD, circuit simulation, Matlab etc. Every single computer (which has been cheap AMD's) that I have bought in the past have eventually broken, blown caps on MB and other problems with overheating or memory errors etc. I finally decided to buy quality hardware, with Xeon and ECC memory. And it's the best computers I ever had. I got a 780 Ti graphics card also, and it also works great to play games on in Linux now and then, even if that's not really what I do most of the time. I really don't notice much difference when playing games on my computer and on computers made for gaming except for some specific titles. Dying Light for instance was lagging, but the Metro games runs really smooth. I have no need or interest in overclocking capabilities or hardware with names like "Super-ultra-shark-power" that looks like ridicoulus spaceships from a sci-fi show. I just want to have good quiality stuff that runs cool and won't self destruct in a few years.
Also a Xeon provides added security that is not found on the X99 I7 Chipsets. The Intel Xeon E5-1650 is basically the same as the 5930k but the Xeon has added specs for security, memory, and so on. They are a lot bigger than the X99 I7 chips (32nm vs 22nm) which made me question if this chip would be able to fit on a x99 board but it seem to be okay according to PC PART PICKER (hope their right if not I would have to wait and extra 3 days to get the I7 and new memory that is not ECC). Also it is a quiet a bit cheaper by like 20 - 30 dollars According to Intel's MSRP but i suppose since it is so "similar" to the 5930k the pricing from most vendors place it in the same field. You can get the Intel Xeon 2620 (both Xeons are V3 and are 6 cores like the 5930k) which has a lower clock speed of 2.4 and not such a wide support for higher speeds of RAM. It is also 85W compared to the other two chips. It is about the same price as the 5820k. I like the Xeon because of the added security since I work home most of the time out of the office. Also the PCIE LANES are 40 unlike the 5820k which is 28 lanes. Xeon all the way. Actually the first PC I have owned had a Xeon processor. It was a hand me down workstation from some college office but it was awesome to fuck around with.
The beginning of the video mentioned I5, I7, and Xeon but after that there was no mention of the I5, just a comparison of the various models of Xeon and how the basic core of that works compared to an I7. So, my question is, what about the I5 vs the I7?
Even though this video is 5 years old I have just now watched it lol and it is good to see that Linus actually knew and knows whats up with this stuff. In 2013 my first 'gaming computer' was a Dell Precision T3500 with a W3550 Xeon Quad Core @ 3GHZ, 4GB of RAM and a Radeon R9-270X 2GB GPU, and at the time it could beat most i5 builds and come close to i7 builds for a fraction of the price. Fast forward a couple years and I put a Xeon W3670 Hex Core @ 3.2GHZ, 12GB of RAM and a Geforce 1070 in there and a couple years a go it still kicked butts! I eventually built a custom but that computer was a beast and my roommate still uses it to game to this day.
hey Linus I'm a very huge fan of your work you're incredibly intelligent and I go to you for all my computer questions keep it up thank you so much you help me out today keep it up
Here I am in 2023, and I "upgraded" my T3600 workstation PC I got scammed on from the E5-1620 to an E5-2690. It's a really nice performance gain with twice as many cores and threads. I paired it with a gtx 1080, and I'm shocked how much I can still play. Plays VR pretty smoothly too.
Always been a Xeon person. I just replaced my Livingroom PC. It was a Xeon 3230 w/8g RAM. Lasted over a decade, and I was actually able to play GTA5 fine on low settings. Lasted over a decade, so no complaints on the life of the machine. Just replaces it with a dual proc Xeon 5650 (24 cores) w/ 72G DDR3 RAM. Running an NVIDIA 770GTX+, haven't seen a reason to upgrade vid card yet.
I bought the first generation of i7 back in 2009 and I can tell you that still today gets over everything I throw to it because has 4 cores in OC, ram OC, bus OC so all is faster then stock new xeons, still carring the cad business and error critic tasks I already know that my next rig will be strictly Xeon and ecc memory equipped, and maybe even a couple of cpu's....and of course a quadro and a tesla card...
Can anyone help me. What should be best upgrade from 3470 . My idea 1280 v2 it's turbo clocked 4 GZ OR 3770 it's turbo clocked 3.9 GZ ..1280 v2 little bit cheaper
Love that Linus put this out here, because I have a HP Z600 with dual e5504's and soon to have 250GB Samsung EVO and 1TB HDD 16GB Ram and a hammied-down 7750 Radeon under the hood. Going to try out Tom Clancy's Siege this free weekend to see how it goes, will let everyone know. Though I don't have any of the above mentioned, and won't until Sunday. So it's got a simple Kingston ssd and 8GB of ecc memory
I use a Xeon E3-1230 V2 since late 2013 and I'm still very satisfied with it. I'm just planning to upgrade my cpu (along with my motherboard and PSU both bought in 2013) once the one I own dies or is no longer good enough for playing games.
I use dual and triple Xeon based machines for running server type tasks like data backup to local and cloud servers, but primarily because they perform exceptionally with DAWs where its more about having more cores to split the load over having fewer faster cores. Stupidly expensive, but for the task specific operations they just cannot be beat.
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"...$2400 12-core behemoth of a Xeon..."
2019 sends its regards...
Someone saw / sees you coming?! I got two E5-2667 v3 for so much less than $2400. EBay sells them for between $80/each to $250/each. 8 core at 3.2Ghz each.
8 cores is 48$
I just got 6/12 3.2ghz for 10$... Xeon rocks
@@CatSovietski enjoy your green pcb with dirty old ddr3
@KorinXploits LmAo no.. not compared to good DDR4
Xeon E3-1231 v3 is basically an i7 4770.
Just not overclockable and without an integrated graphics unit.
Costs 100$ less than the i7 and can even run cooler due to the missing GPU.
Thats a very nice thing for a gaming PC
So Shuold I get one if I wanna play All the games on ultra with a asus gtx 970? Or an intel core I5 ?
Up4lIFe
Get the Xeon because it features Hyperthreading and stuff.
Up4lIFe
If you don't plan on overclocking then yes, by all means.
P@r@m3d!© i7s have hyperthreading aswell
P@r@m3d!© can u recommend a good motherboard with the Xeon E3-1231 v3
How many kilos of Coke do you think linus snorts daily?
luke saylor all of it
None. He prefers to inject marijuanas.
You guys don't get it ... he uses coke as a upper 20 minutes before shooting the video, then he smokes a joint, the downer, 5 minutes before shooting the video. What you watch is the final result ....
Yes
@@cubical2847 fuck i was just gonna comment that
Luke sounds like he's depressed and held at gun point.
+Much Doge You must be a woman.
+Shorts 81
+Ethan The Ace nah your all wrong 18,802
Much Doge yeah i was just going to say that
Wait... He WASNT??
One thing I've found is sometimes xeons can be found much cheaper than core series if you are buying a used cpu from a previous generation. I've built a couple of machines for friends using xeon cpus I got cheap when a company upgraded their fleet of servers and sold off the old stock. This type of situation is one of the only times I'd recommend getting a xeon for a consumer build.
XEON>i7>i5> FX>i3>A10 >A8>Pentium>A6>A4>Celeron. . . for gaming with discrete gpu.
Depends on the cpu
For example and I7 5960x obliterates xeon
Btw an i7 and i5 will have a ~5 fps
+PyroRaider There are 18 core Xeons, you sure the 5960x beats Xeons outright?
+LiquidPanic Oh wow, i sure do love paying 3.6k $ on a cpu...
The i7 5960x is equal to the Xeon E5-2699 V3 in terms of performance. Now, i will admit the xeon has more cores, but who the fuck wants to pay an extra 2.6k on 8 extra cores ?
The i7 5960x is the winner between both
PyroRaider Lol, You actually think the 5960x matches the 2699 v3 in performance? Let's just take a look at this for a second, they are using the same architecture, so clock for clock, core for core, they'regoing to perform the same right. Here is a simple calculation, the 5960x has 8 cores at a max boost of 3.5ghz, equaling a basic performance score of 28 (8 core x 3.5ghz). Now the 2699 v3 will only turbo to about 2.6ghz under full load, with 18 cores, giving it a performance of 46.8 on the same scale. Do you now realize how dumb you sounds saying they're equal? Plus hyperthreading increases multicore performance even more when you add more cores.
+PyroRaider yeah obviously withing similar generations. im sure a xeon out there that is ten years old wont beat a brand new i7 or even a i5. look at passmark scores. at top rank are xeons that cost thousands. and have many cores with HT. lol
Did that xeon say it supports 4TB of RAM?
That over 4x the amount of storage I have wow
+James Edison just download more ram
RektSkrubs Good idea
+RektSkrubs haha yeah, like its so easy
+James Edison who needs RAM when you have sheep
Simple Terms:
Gaming = i5
Rendering / Editing = i7
Servers / Heavy Workloads = Xeon
***** Grandparents = Celeron
Patents use Pentiums.
Kids use i3
You can use a i7 for gaming?
***** The i7 would be useless for gaming, it has no benefit. The i7 is just like an i5, except it has hyperthreading, which is useful for things like rendering videos, editing photos, or anything like that.
Linus be like: i7 vs Xeon, final answer. His conclusion: Well, it depends. :P
It's all about the Pentiums baby...
.. I cant tell if you're joking or not.
Workin' at a desk with a dumb little placard? Yeah, paying the bills with my mad programming skills.
Defragging my hard drive for thrills
Got me a 100 gigbytes of RAM
I never feed trolls and I don't read spam
Installed a T1 line in my house
Always at my PC double clicking on my mizous.
Upgrade my system at least twice a day,
I'm strictly plug-n-play (uh huh!), I ain't afraid of Y2K
I want to have future support for 4 TB's of ram.
XEON IT IS!
Or course, so in 2089, you'll be able to build your dream rig with an ancient cpu
5TB
Alec Farrugia Cachia lol
Might as well just install the OS right into RAM
u r a chrome user
a Xeon costs more than my car
Thats just. WoW
+Sid Nas you can get a xeon for 209
+Sid Nas just picked up an e3-1231 v3 at microcenter for $209... you must have a really cheap car.
+Sid Nas That means a pentium is more expensive...
+Sid Nas Check used server stock, like 30 bucks for a Xeon
While building a computer for both data analysis and gaming, I went ahead with a Xeon E3-1230 v3 over an i5 or i7. At the time, the processor was close to the price of an i5 with the performance of an i7 (and I was going to have a dedicated GPU anyway). I can't count the number of people who told me, "but Xeons aren't for gaming".
Good video Linus
+1
Same here its just idiots who think that only i5/i7 processors are good for gaming and everything else is shit, so many noobs give out false information before they've bothered doing any research or testing themselves.
To be fair xeons aren't made for gaming, but that doesn't mean they CAN'T be used for gaming.
Thanks for the good explanation.
I ran a server on a consumer grade Gigabyte non-ECC board 24/7/365 for 4 years without issue. Rebooted once a year for updates. So non-ECC systems can also work quite reliably
I use a Xeon to calculate when the hamster needs dinner and water :-) Just kidding!
+GaryKildall Yea, I use mine for Notepad and Paintbrush. The heaviest load was playing Minesweeper in expert mode. Temps were so low and I got tons of fps. Its a good chip.
+Codeplayer Well the Xeon 8 core calculated that average hamster can run 8 miles at night and collect and store 44 pounds of food before winter. That's where super computing is meant for ;-)
fx 8320 or i5?
i5!!!! Dont ask why cuz I said so. If u really wanna go Google is waiting for you.
which i5?
ummm 4690K the 70K and 90K are really close in price and have a difference dont ask why i said so if u really wanna go Google is waiting for you
Well, in terms of price/performance, the 8320 wins, but in terms of pure performance, the i5 will do perform better.
Yea the i5 4690K has much improved TIM (Thermal Interface Material) which will help in better overclocking and less heat issues than the 4670K
1.Xeons are i7 that dont have K's and IGPs with them
2.Xeons run cooler and cheaper like Xeon E3 1230 v3 than i7 4770
..so yes it's good for gaming and multi tasking.
Bedscenez Is Xeon Best For Gaming?
There are Xeons what can OC
@@karinano1stan you say it the E5-1600( v2) Xeons are overclocking monsters, especially the e5-1650 v0 and the e5-1680V2, 1660 v2. 1660 is the hardest to overclock over 4,8 GHz.
Meanwhile my 2008 Macbook is running on a 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo.
Same, though I'm using a PC
Same, only mine is running Catalina :-)
Xeons are the better i7´s and thei run way Cooler!
was geht dicker? :) gruß yücel
^^
Since they cost 8x more, I think that's pretty expectable.
wow 8x? never, found my Xeon W3690 for 320 bucks
For 40 you don't get an i7, hell, not even a cheap AMD processor.
Last year I got a Xeon E3-1280 V2 for much less than I would have had to spend for a 3770K. The 1280 V2 is roughly comparable to the 3770K and cost much less, thus giving me better bang-for-the-buck and extending the life of my HTPC. It was not worth the extra money just to have the ability to overclock, which I don't need anyway. My motherboard is effectively maxed out now, but I'll still get another three years out of it easily. Ten years is a pretty good run for any motherboard.
Which one downloads porn faster?
Intel Pentinum
Intel Celeron
pentium 4
Xeon 1000 core 10000 thread cpu from the year 3016
+Dalmation935 hahahahaha
Xeon might be designed for servers but let's face it, the best Xeon at the moment (E5-2699 v3) gets almost the double performance of the best i7 at the moment (i7-5960X). So why even bother questioning which one is better?
It's freaking clear Xeon is more powerful by far, for server AND for gaming, but when it comes to prices it's a different story.
Well, xeon e5 2699 v3 cinebench r15 score is about 2300, i7 5960x(without OC) cinebench r 15 score is about 1500. However, cinebench results show the full cpu rendering power. If a video game only uses 6 cores even for a 18 core cpu, 5960x could beat 2699v3 in this situation because of higher frequency. And if a game can only use 4 cores, i7 4770 could beat 5960x for the same reason. But this is could only be theory. I have a pc with i7 4770k and a workstation with dual e5 2670v3, and I am planning to test some games on both configuration.
Oh, I have tested some on them. My 4770k's cinebench score is about 720 while dual e5 2670v3's is about 2880. And I also did some rendering test using 3ds max + vray. Dual e5 is about 4 times faster than single i7. Don't know how game test will turn out. But I will do that in next couple of days.
chlbrn
no duh CPU rendering will be alot faster with the dual 18-core hyperthreaded CPUs compared to a single i7 with 8 cores as rendering is a preset set of data while gaming really is a dynamic set of data especially if it is a game with physics turned on high or whatever is the most demanding in its options.
the i7 will win at gaming while the Xeon 2699 v3 blew it away at rendering thus why cinabench lies about CPUs as more cores almost always equals better in it.
yumri4 No, Cinebench doesn't lie. It is just a render engine with a small scene to show the rendering power. So it is a method to evaluate the rendering power, if you are doing cpu rendering, then it is good, don't use it to compare server cpu to gaming cpu. Also, 3d software has physics and simulation which is similar to real time but higher level of accuracy.
chlbrn still cinabench will almost always say the CPU with more cores is better if both are clocked the same. Now if one CPU with more cores is clocked lower than the other with fewer cores then it depends on how it was coded and how big the differnece is but ussualy same thing the CPU with more cores will come out ahead in a CPU rendering test just becuase it can do more at the same time.
Thus why cinabench sucks at that aspect ... except for workstations and rendering spefic rigs but then the workstations and rendering spefic rigs most times use the GPU to render with not the CPU and yes i know the CPU is used for physics and simulations in most programs so thus more cores = better in that siturtaion.
Cinebench just mainly isnt a good mentric to use unless you are compareing alike things together like a 4 core CPU to another 4 core CPU or multiple 8 core CPUs to one another.
As then that metric breaking thing will be gone and away with as really how many ppl actually use CPU physics which are not in the design screen? Same with with CPU driven simulations? both are ussualy in a design screen and can take around 5~10 minutes for a animation to play through correctly on a lower end build of course. In games though or at least in many games anyways it is baked already so no matter how it is done when you hit the trigger you will get the same animaiton ... sometimes seen as a flaw in the game but it is used to save a ton of computing power.
Great video Linus, Very thorough and informative as always. Keep up the great work and keep the videos coming!!
Fun fact about the E3-1246 is that it runs cooler than the i7 4790. At full load it barely goes past 51C with air cooling. I have a Zalman cnps14x and in idle avg core temp is 27C.
cores run at lower speeds on Xeon
+Phoenix MH83 E3-1246 v3 ramps up to 3.98GHz. Sure its not a K model but I can't complain.
+Anthony Kavassis that is odd because the lower clock speeds are suppose to be a benefit to the Xeon architecture
+Phoenix MH83 Actually lower temps are the benefit of the architecture. Sometimes it just means lower speeds.
I have the E3 1241-v3 and in benchmarks it never goes past 60°C
my first pc was a dual xeon with 2 gigs ram :)
-_-
Rece what? I still have it..
played wow on it
what do you use it for?
playing wow
I upgraded the ECC ram and stuck an AGP video card in it and played wow on it
Windows XP ...was an old business server I guess
I shaved a 100$ for my Xeon E3-1230 than the Ivy i7
Good Stuff
+ArJuN AJ Those E3-1230 revisions have always been great value - costs about the same as top-of-the-line i5 but performs like a top-of-the-line i7, just without the IGP which is useless when you have a dedicated GPU anyway (don't say QuickSync, at least for nVidia users there is NVENC SIP core since Kepler)
+陈北宗 Sadly they're not really overclockable though. ;-;
+LiquidPanic I'm not using it for gaming so it's alright for me..
I've gone anyway overkill for my development machine :)
Lol, alright.
+ArJuN AJ Extra cores will help a lot for developers. It takes me several times more time to compile the same Linux kernel on an Ivy Bridge Core i5 laptop (dual core with HT, 2.5GHz, a late 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro) than an Ivy Bridge dual Xeon workstation (12 cores total with HT, 2.1GHz, a pair of E5-2620v2), even though the laptop is running on pure SSD while the workstation is running on an RAID 10 array of spinning platters.
What core would be the best for video 4k editing and studio recording
I realty want which is going to be lighting fast
Really*
Expensive but RN Its the Core i7700K
@@aumbhambhani7936 that´s true the cheapest is the core 2 Quad 9650 i think.
So if I can get a xeon equivalent i7-4770 for a lower price and I don't want to overclock is it a viable option to get one?
Yes of course!
Very, I have a W3680 and its paired up with 12gb of RAM and A 1050ti. Super simple budget gaming rig. Performs well, but doesn't crank out ray tracing at 4k 60fps, obviously
The answer is a potato.
Nozzy Works 11 people cared**
Nozzy Works You need help kid..
+UberInfiniteGaming I care man ! :D
+UberInfiniteGaming I care
+UberInfiniteGaming i eat potato dont give fuk about cpu cilicon shit :P
1:25
Well that $2,500 12 core E5-2697 v2 *BEHEMOTH* is about $40 nowadays on Ebay.
But Finding working mobos for them is a challenge for them nowadays
Can you do the ultimate error correcting stable rig: Xeon, EEC RAM, ECC Quadro...
"gaming favors 4 faster cores rather than many slower cores"
Times really have changed... Nowadays those V3 xeons with 6 or 8 cores are epic for gaming
Here is also this point that can be useful for some scenarios: Xeons, being server-grade hardware, if used in server or workstation grade setups, can last for a very long time.
I have a Core 2 Q9300 (which happened to be is just a rebadged Xeon E3000 series for that generation) in workstation grade hardware, and it lasted for 6 years and is still in active service. I will upgrade this machine very soon just because the motherboard don't have enough PCIe slots and I am facing bottlenecks interfacing the GTX 650 Ti upgrade, but even after the upgrade the old motherboard and CPU will still be in active service and used in another chassis with some other old parts thrown in as a HTPC.
I Bought dual Xeon's 24 core 48 threads and TITAN Z Quad SLI just to play CS at 800x600 cuz ima CS PRO
You can't have quad titan z since a single titan z is made of two 780 ti's and motherboards only support 4 gpu's . So two titan z is the limit
wow ur poor, i got 4 intel i9's in crossSLI along with superclocked octo Titan Z's with 3tb of ssd VRAM.
Mathew Johnston Isn't a Titan Z two Titan chips on one board?
Wow that pc cant run csgo at 800x600 I mean it can but at low settings, sorry you'll never become a pro with that pc
zsshooter
2 Dual GPU's is Quad SLI
4 Single GPU's is 4 Way SLI
Even nvidia drivers say that when you enable those configs
No one is going to buy a E3 Xeon or a I7 Just to game.. Where are the real results like rendering. $250 Xeon 1231 V3 VS $230 I5 4690k VS $300 I7 4770 VS $330 I7 4790k. Please do a real testing with productivity in mind. With no overclocking.
couldn't have said it better
+t800 Ya all the reviews of the Xeon 1231 v3 that I've seen compare them to overclocked cpus and mostly use gaming to compare. If all we wanted to-do is game we'd get a i5 xxxx. I don't think Intel wants people to see the value in Xeons..
i have a 4790k and i only game
+Alice Heart then you my fried wasted money,just for gaming the diff betwen the i5 and i7 dosent justify the diff the price
***** no it's an amazing chip, but has no IGPU and can't be OC'd.
I can give an example of Xeon vs i7. I do periodic forecasts for mainframe metrics. To do this process we do a combination of linear models against a calendar of known events and ARIMA on residuals. We do a permutation\combination phase which we evaluate 25 calendar events across 3 environments for a total of 3^25 possible models (In-sample validation is used to select the most accurate model). Since it is a non-critical forecast I don't get any beefy hardware to run the process. I do however have two machines, and i7 and a Xeon, both with 32gbs of ram (The Xeon has ECC ram). To run the process on the i7 takes about 4 days (72ish hours) in total to evaluate and forecast 365 days out (it's auto trimmed at 120 days since the confidence interval is to large to be useful). When ran on the Xeon it takes about 16 hours. When it comes to serious scientific stuff or hard core number crunching (as in complexity and volume of data) the Xeon is superior between the two. It appears to be workload sensitive.
I turned the player down to half speed so that your voice didn't disturb my pet bat. :)
Xeons can actually be cheaper, if you're not going for the insane 18-core E5-2699. A Xeon E3-1231 will cost about 230 euros and perform just like a Core i7 4770(K), which costs about 270 euros. This applies to software as well as games. Where it really comes into its own is when software takes advantage of hyperthreading/many cores, like x264 encoders (like Handbrake).
If you want the performance of an i7, don't need the integrated GPU (Intel's suck anyway, so don't even bother unless you're fine with running only the Windows desktop) and don't care for overclocking, then a Xeon can actually be a cheaper and and better alternative. And you don't have to use ECC memory. And most motherboards support them (a BIOS upgrade might be needed though), so the technical hurdle is nonexistent.
Corristo89 Fuck europe were talking about the american continent where it was designed fabricated in china/taiwan/japan
Corristo89 Huh? Why is talking about himself and his family?
I am CAD & CAM user (Solidedge, solidworks and Keyshot/V-RAY) and I have a Xeon 1505-m for my ThinkPad! and it has never crashed ever. It works like butter.
I agree. Xeons are pretty tasty and make for excellent pancakes.
the 4096 memory on the Xeon made me cry.
The Cheero was more interesting than the Xeon. Only because I didn't learn anything I didn't already know.
Well aren't you special.
TotalityTV Linus says to comment your opinion, we must abide by the lord's wishes.
Everyone so cynical, just sucking the fun out of everything.
When someone makes a tutorial on something, do you think it's okay to say "Why did you make this video? I already know how to do this."
TotalityTV You have a good point when you say it like that. Just let my comment hide away in the cesspool of youtube comments.
So here is the question; Assuming I can game on the Xeon without significant performance losses, what would I gain productivity wise as compared to an i7? My primary use is 3D rendering and image editing in photoshop.
Xeon E3-1231v3 is about the same as an i7-4790, but no IGP.
What is Igp Bro
HAZIK PROGAMER integrated graphics processor my guy
@@hazikrabbani3496 Intergrated Graphic Processing... which mean you need hook up you monitor to Graphic Card for display and you cannot use motherboard build in ports for display.
What do you think?
CPU: Xeon E3-1231v3
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho 120 Rev.A
GPU: Asus R9 390 Direct CU III
RAM: 2x4 GB Corsair Veangence LP
PSU: Corsair RM550
HDD: WesternDigital Blue 1TB
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Mainboard: Asus H97M-PLUS
Case: Phanteks Enthoo evolv
For 1440p Gaming, and 3d CAD Modelling
+jakeplays Awesome build
+jakeplays Buy 32GB RAM(4x8GB) for quad chanell(probably as Xeon it fully support that) if u need Xeon badly. N 8GB RAM is small amount for any CAD n game today.
N i don't know why Xeon E3-1231v3 it's slow Hasswell procesor for 24/7 work, nothing special. probably much better will be i7 5820k(6 cores, huge cache, support quad chanel) or 6700k(4 cores, very fast in games, can be safe overclocked to 4.6GHz n beat more expensive CPUs, support sadly only dual chanel) n they can use DDR4. If u don't want DDR4 i7 4790 probably will be better becouse can use wi-fi n is little faster.
I will say Pick Xeon only if u need special ECC RAM(it's slower in most cases than standard DDR3).
better to overclock an i5 4690k
+jakeplays Sounds good. But can it make coffee?
+Tomasz “Tom” Huber DDR4 is slightly worse than DDR3 in games, and, I don't know about modelling, but 8GB of RAM is not a small amount for today's games. Even new games like the Witcher 3 and Star Wars: Battlefront don't fully use 8GB of RAM.
Your voice is so smooth and nice to listen to! Thnx for explaining.
wanted the 4790k but over budget so for $50 less getting the 1231 v3. this is to replace my i5 3330 i have been using for over 2 years and has been the biggest bottleneck to multitasking and even gaming once i upgraded to a r9 280x from a gtx 650. if you dont overclock, prefer low'er' power consumption, and don't care your pc component doesn't have badass codename like 'devil's canyon' then it looks like a xeon is for you :D
+Daniel Weinberger (DTUB) xeons are the best bang for your buck
I would love a Xeon PC
Matthew Coupe Is Xeon A Best CPU?
@@KingIjazMalik no
HP do them. I currently have two XW6600's with dual 5450's and 32Gb ECC RAM each. Picked them up on eBay for not much.
Is xeon bettter for music production? I am a audio engineer and would like to build my own computer now. I am going to replace my old Sweetwater Creation Station Extreme rackmount computer.
I was planning to go with the following regarding cpu and mobo:
- intel i7 5820
- Asrock x99 extreme 4
But now I am a little bit confused. Should I go with the xeon E5-1650 v3, a workstation mobo? Any recommendation regarding best RAM (16GB at least) for the xeon processor?
I use Pro Tools 12 (and 10 when session with rtas), and a lot of plugins (slate digital / waves mainly) and virtual instruments (slate drums and toontrack drums). I need something very stable that can handle heavy Pro Tools sessions. I might even install MAC O/S on the system only if it runs smooth and without issues.
Thanks.
Depends on what xeon and what i7
Simply the best explanation..Thanks Linus!
i7 for gaming and Xeon for server and heavy CPU work
softrockification Yes.....
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softrockification Yes.....
softrockification Yes.....
softrockification Actually, DahChubChub is right. Xeon is made for workstation work not damn gaming.
Xeon E3-1231 V3 still rocking here, now paired with a 3060 ti still good for most games - okay not all of them but hey It's a 7 year old CPU by now.
The 386 blows both of them out of the water.
Can you sing Rap God by Eminem, Linus?
LMFAO
In december 2015 i had to make a choice between I7 4790 for 430$ or Xeon e3 1231 v3 for 305$ for gaming pc. I chose the xeon and im realy satisfied with it and i saved 125$. At the end of 2017 it still do everything i want to do and play every game at high graphic with a gtx 970. Realy happy with Xeon
R9 290x or GTX 660 Ti?
ThePsiGhost eBay: R9 290X = 200$
yeah... save some serious cash :D
R9 290 without the x is like 150? o.o
ThePsiGhost But who needs "new"? my 290X was 200$ and works fine :D
umm i got like r7 250 in my rig right now, and i plan to upgrade well, thanks guys!
blockpotato
why new? there is a decent chance, your 290x was in a mining rig, and ran 24/7 on max load. on the other hand: $200 is still a decent price for it
Show some love for the i3?
No!
With the rising price of the i7-6700k, I ended up going with a Xeon E3-1230 v5 with th eAsus E3 Pro Gaming V5 motherboard from Newegg. The processor was $275 instead of $412 (current price for i7-6700k), so I'd say it's the best bang for the buck.
Why no gaming rigs with xeon?
+Remy Cajallena xeons wont necessarily help when gaming
a true scotsman uth yeah, too bad, I still think Intel i7s are overpriced i5s are ripofs and AMD just plain sucks I dream for the day when octacore cpus become mainstream and only $100 :(
Remy Cajallena the i7 4.0 ghz 4 core one is the best gaming cpu to date imo, but ywah, xeons are the better deal
$50 dollar difference, I'd still go for i7 :/
Remy Cajallena locked i7s are overpriced, i say go with a xeon, they are more reliable
My father is an electrical engineer and he gets a lot of shit for free. Like a 3,000 dollar Xeon chip
lucky
my dad works for EA, and he can ban anyone he wants to
ECCENTRIC cool
ur daddy is more cooler than his
Yeah and my father is the fucking easter bunny.
THANKS almost 2 years later I was asking myself this question !
You talk tooooooo fast!
I choose 2x speed
YOU THINK TOO SLOW
Someone needs more cores for his brain.
@hasan ayham damn dude... it's just for fun... no one ever means this shit
@hasan ayham Ok
Boy those ads are getting longer and longer.
but it seems some people liked the cheero ad better than the actual topic.
I'm getting a Xeon E3-1231 V3 for my new rig. I don't overclock, and I don't upgrade often so when I do it needs to be a high quality product that will last. The build quality alone tempted me to this series of CPU's. The fact that they're slightly more unusual teases me as well. Should be a good choice for a HTPC gaming rig as the TDP on them is so low.
i would pay extra to not have integrated graphics or overclocking
Less actually...
NeedMoreMushrooms
Don't tell me how to apply value to goods. not haveing integrated graphics and not having overclocking capability has value to me. this means i am willing to pay more for a cpu that doesn't have integrated graphics and no overclocking capability.
Jazoray
I mean, the Xeons cost less actually with the same performance of a standard i7 equivalent, the ones that are more powerful and dont need overclocks cost pretty much the same..
Jazoray but the new directx12 makes it possible to make use of the integrated graphics alongside with your GPU. You will gain more power this way. It will make better use of that unused integrated graphics this way.
Alucard8319 irrelevant
4:30 overdoing the hand movements
Bruh he's linus
End 2017 I bought a Xeon W3550 @3.07GHz, Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti with 4 GB, 8 GB system, Windows 7 professional for almost 450 euro. When I looked at core i7, I had to pay almost twice as much. Xeon works perfectly for gaming. The computer shop created your comp for you. Best shop ever.
What motherboard are you using? And are you using ECC ram in 3 channel or dual channel?
@@yokinakasaki5598 I have a Similar System. A Xeon-W3680 with 12GB of RAM a 4GB 1050ti. Windows 10.
The motherboard is a z400 workstation motherboard
@@NewtzT-V yeah! I've been looking at the t3500 motherboards but they dont fit in a case. So I was looking on Ali Express to get a cheap chinese motherboard. Looks like the z400 motherboard would fit in a case. Does it? Thanks for the reply. I have a w3530 atm.
@@NewtzT-V Very cool. And I have that motherboard too, z400 workstation.
@@yokinakasaki5598 the z400 are bigger than your usual. Do a youtube search for z400, maybe that helps? th-cam.com/video/OstxW_YOafQ/w-d-xo.html
i7 = consumer gradexeon = industrial grade
Hey I have Intel Core i7-4790
No One Cares :p
+GamerWiTHIN good
+ReyesPiano metoo
ReyesPiano Is It better than Xeon?
Love the red-yellow-green colors on your Admin banner... ;-)
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+bul188 and it would break the next day
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I have owned mine for months and it hasnt even chipped let alone broke, I'm not even careful with it, I just throw it around.
+Yesayas Taslim l also have Xiaomi 5000mAh and its been legit working over 1year
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Just for me: I found the Xeon E5-2667 v3 (8 core at 3.2Ghz base) to provide a good balance between programming, compiling, rendering, etc., and game playing (even at the same time).
it really is, even in 2022 this holds true
HP Zbook 16 G6
Cpu: Intel® Xeon® E 2286M-16MB Cache
Ram: 16GB DDR4 128GB
Hard:256GB SSD
Graphic: Nvidia Quadro RTX3000-6GB
Display:15.6"-FHD
Is a good laptop for programing and Ai
Planning to make some massive battles in Arma 3 hopefully with 1000s of AIs. Gonna use dedicated server with headless client. Would using multiple high end commercial Xeon chips work better then an I7 for this?
Xeon
Xeon
to make it easy Xeon is for virtualization while cores i7 is for one use. good analogy is 10 guys that weigh 10 Ib each OR One guy that weigh 100IB. 10 guys can be divided to work on different site at the same time efficiently while one big guy can work only on one site at the time.
You are awesome bro. Your videos help me a lot. Keep up the great work.
NO real answer...Explains everything even if it doesn't matter... I'm loving this channel!
I have I Xeon-E3 on my workstation, both at work and at home. I mostly do programming, PCB CAD, circuit simulation, Matlab etc. Every single computer (which has been cheap AMD's) that I have bought in the past have eventually broken, blown caps on MB and other problems with overheating or memory errors etc. I finally decided to buy quality hardware, with Xeon and ECC memory. And it's the best computers I ever had. I got a 780 Ti graphics card also, and it also works great to play games on in Linux now and then, even if that's not really what I do most of the time. I really don't notice much difference when playing games on my computer and on computers made for gaming except for some specific titles. Dying Light for instance was lagging, but the Metro games runs really smooth. I have no need or interest in overclocking capabilities or hardware with names like "Super-ultra-shark-power" that looks like ridicoulus spaceships from a sci-fi show. I just want to have good quiality stuff that runs cool and won't self destruct in a few years.
Also a Xeon provides added security that is not found on the X99 I7 Chipsets. The Intel Xeon E5-1650 is basically the same as the 5930k but the Xeon has added specs for security, memory, and so on. They are a lot bigger than the X99 I7 chips (32nm vs 22nm) which made me question if this chip would be able to fit on a x99 board but it seem to be okay according to PC PART PICKER (hope their right if not I would have to wait and extra 3 days to get the I7 and new memory that is not ECC).
Also it is a quiet a bit cheaper by like 20 - 30 dollars According to Intel's MSRP but i suppose since it is so "similar" to the 5930k the pricing from most vendors place it in the same field. You can get the Intel Xeon 2620 (both Xeons are V3 and are 6 cores like the 5930k) which has a lower clock speed of 2.4 and not such a wide support for higher speeds of RAM. It is also 85W compared to the other two chips. It is about the same price as the 5820k.
I like the Xeon because of the added security since I work home most of the time out of the office. Also the PCIE LANES are 40 unlike the 5820k which is 28 lanes. Xeon all the way. Actually the first PC I have owned had a Xeon processor. It was a hand me down workstation from some college office but it was awesome to fuck around with.
1:22 notice the fly that flies behind Linus
hey I just got an xeon e5 2650 v2 and youtube recommended me this video. It is still very good in 2022, tho single core performance is really bad.
So which one do i need for multi tasking then? For examples: Monitor 1 Twitch stream, chats and web browser. Monitor 2: Full Gameplay.
im currently gaming on a workstation computer..
2x Dual Core Xeons.. so 4 cores in total
16gb ECC Ram
GTX 550Ti :D
me too 3.6 Mhz 4 core x2.... so 8 core total 64 gigs of RAM RX 580 8 gig and 1300 watt power supply
The beginning of the video mentioned I5, I7, and Xeon but after that there was no mention of the I5, just a comparison of the various models of Xeon and how the basic core of that works compared to an I7. So, my question is, what about the I5 vs the I7?
Even though this video is 5 years old I have just now watched it lol and it is good to see that Linus actually knew and knows whats up with this stuff. In 2013 my first 'gaming computer' was a Dell Precision T3500 with a W3550 Xeon Quad Core @ 3GHZ, 4GB of RAM and a Radeon R9-270X 2GB GPU, and at the time it could beat most i5 builds and come close to i7 builds for a fraction of the price. Fast forward a couple years and I put a Xeon W3670 Hex Core @ 3.2GHZ, 12GB of RAM and a Geforce 1070 in there and a couple years a go it still kicked butts! I eventually built a custom but that computer was a beast and my roommate still uses it to game to this day.
Pentium 4 beats both of them
no
its a joke lol
No, it is stupid.
pentium 2 beats 4
^^^^^
People asked a lot but reach the point asking a lot less!! Super happy I got your vid when I asked google (already subscribed)!!!
hey Linus I'm a very huge fan of your work you're incredibly intelligent and I go to you for all my computer questions keep it up thank you so much you help me out today keep it up
yall are awesome, keep up the groovy work.
Here I am in 2023, and I "upgraded" my T3600 workstation PC I got scammed on from the E5-1620 to an E5-2690. It's a really nice performance gain with twice as many cores and threads. I paired it with a gtx 1080, and I'm shocked how much I can still play. Plays VR pretty smoothly too.
Why isn't this on the Techquickie channel?
Always been a Xeon person.
I just replaced my Livingroom PC. It was a Xeon 3230 w/8g RAM. Lasted over a decade, and I was actually able to play GTA5 fine on low settings.
Lasted over a decade, so no complaints on the life of the machine.
Just replaces it with a dual proc Xeon 5650 (24 cores) w/ 72G DDR3 RAM. Running an NVIDIA 770GTX+, haven't seen a reason to upgrade vid card yet.
will upgrading to a 4790k from a 4690k for the hyperthreading be worth getting it once direct x 12 comes out?
is the Intel XEON E5 1650 enough for 4k video editing?
I bought the first generation of i7 back in 2009 and I can tell you that still today gets over everything I throw to it because has 4 cores in OC, ram OC, bus OC so all is faster then stock new xeons, still carring the cad business and error critic tasks I already know that my next rig will be strictly Xeon and ecc memory equipped, and maybe even a couple of cpu's....and of course a quadro and a tesla card...
Can anyone help me. What should be best upgrade from 3470 . My idea 1280 v2 it's turbo clocked 4 GZ OR 3770 it's turbo clocked 3.9 GZ ..1280 v2 little bit cheaper
Love that Linus put this out here, because I have a HP Z600 with dual e5504's and soon to have 250GB Samsung EVO and 1TB HDD 16GB Ram and a hammied-down 7750 Radeon under the hood. Going to try out Tom Clancy's Siege this free weekend to see how it goes, will let everyone know. Though I don't have any of the above mentioned, and won't until Sunday. So it's got a simple Kingston ssd and 8GB of ecc memory
I'm watching this on an X99 chipset paired with an LGA 2011-3 xeon 2658 12 core xeon. love it.
I use a Xeon E3-1230 V2 since late 2013 and I'm still very satisfied with it. I'm just planning to upgrade my cpu (along with my motherboard and PSU both bought in 2013) once the one I own dies or is no longer good enough for playing games.
I use dual and triple Xeon based machines for running server type tasks like data backup to local and cloud servers, but primarily because they perform exceptionally with DAWs where its more about having more cores to split the load over having fewer faster cores. Stupidly expensive, but for the task specific operations they just cannot be beat.
hey linus could you do a video on building a pc for 3d/motion/rendering vs gaming?