Does RAM speed REALLY matter?
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- Now that we have RAM modules capable of up to 4266MHz, we need to find out... does high speed RAM ACTUALLY make a difference?
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Ok, we need a remake, its been more than 2 years
yup
Does it matter now? Im planning to build a PC
@@bamboo9666 Yes, try to get 3000 or 3200Mhz at least, if you can. If you want more, go for 3600Mhz, it's the max optimized for ryzen 3000, don't go forward. If you are going with Intel, well, you are stuck with 2666Mhz, unless you use a z370 or z390 motherboard.
@@thiagomendespm yeah i'm going with intel, gonna buy a 2666hz then, tks.
Yes. I need it!?!?!?!?
Human eye can only see 4 gbs of rgb ram
Never gets old.
Wrong video pal
My eye can only see 8 gigabytes
7:45 oohh that is one ugly looking pc. Especially its colour combination. & Y the jell is he keepin it on the floor. Maybe its because its truly ugly!
I just cant imagine bring him. I feel real sorry for him.
Almost spit out my milk goddammit 🤣
Who needs performance when you got *RGB*
Wow
Yeah cuz rgb is +10 fps
Get the RGB you can always Download some more RAM.
Good one.
Radiation.gets.bigger
Me: *laughs in 1333mhz*
Raffa I feel you man. DDR3 1600MHz
@@aquiIa_chrysaetos Haha :D
@YellowkaCZ Get out of here tryharder >:(
Me: Double laughs in 667mhz
Hahahaha
I haven’t watched the video yet but I’m guessing he’s going to say it depends
actually depends but clear "64$ for ~4.6% faster performance but may not work"...
the video is 2 years old. Its easier and more stable to truly run at 4133
@@Carbiniz3r stability has nothing to do with higher clock speed. Over clocking ram or anything incorrectly will cause it to go unstable.
@@aceous99 you need to learn how to read.
@@Carbiniz3r £250 for 16gb of 4133 mhz ram lol I'll stick with my 2133 I can live without an extra few frames for £200 more
Problem: RAM is SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW
Malteser LP
true
Malteser LP you can get 8 gb of ram for 100$ or Something
+Cosmin Negreanu
RAM is up in price lately but... it's not **THAT** pricey, are you in a region with very low availability?
16GB for ~$100 is in the ballpark of what's normal. :v
Only months ago, you could get 16GB of 3200mhz top-tier brand RAM for $69
LOL, you poor young people. I remember buying 16 MEGS (not gigs) for my Amiga 500 back in the day and it cost $800 just for the RAM, and another $350 for the board to plug it into. You folks today have no idea how good you've really got it. And that was when the Minimum wage was $2.85 an hour, not when it was $7.25 an hour. And that's not accounting for inflation. In today's dollars, that 16 megs would've cost around $1,500. Enjoy your "fucking expensive" RAM! ;)
(Hands over some money)
(Linus takes entire wallet)
Accurately reflects modern ram prices.
Adam Wilson Buy 2333 DDR3
Hmm last I checked 2 months ago when I bought my new computer RAM was dirt cheap, has something happened? Me thinks someone have no idea how bad RAM prices used to be....
Rondo Cat it wasn't 2 months ago, since it has been almost a year that ram prices skyrocketed, as tgere where problems at tsmc and samsung factories that led to ram shortage. It's sad however: last year i paid 65€ for 16gb crucial lpx 3000, now they sell for 125 here
And prediction to go up over 10% in coming period too...
I paid $400 for a gig of PC3200
15 years ago...
Imagine being Linus’s neighbours.
Looking out the window on a nice morning, taking a sip of joe.
And all you see is Linus going full crackhead smashing his keyboard all throughout the cul de sac.
“Do it for the vine”
This was from back when the LTT office was just a house in some Vancouver neiborhood
The footage of him smashing the keyboard I mean not the video itself
"taking a sip of joe"
SCP FOUNDATION INTENSIFIES
4gb ddr2 667mhz here, beat me
Haris Rifftrax 16GB DDR4 2666MHz
@@austincoutu you don't get the point, do you
@@austincoutu r/woooosh
2 **mega**bytes of RAM on my legacy computer. Beat that one.
Don't even have system beat that ..
Can you make a video on keyboard over-clocking?
Adam Danilowicz i overclocked a keyboard once and noticed a huge difference in fps games, my player was running faster and smoother
Once I overcloced my keyboard too much, so when I pressed W for 10 seconds my cpu could not handle it and exploded.
Adam Danilowicz i pressed S and my W key exploded
Adam Danilowicz after OC my car was way faster in Dirt, really worth it
Thats what I did. The difference is quite overwhelming. I went from 1kmhz to 2kmhz. Now it recognizes the key way before i even press it. Pretty impressive boost IMO.
Anyone else not know wtf was goin on in the graphs
Noob Prophet I are also stupid
stoopid*
They flashed by too fast, and honestly didn't make too much sense :/
pause the video idiots
Basically what the graphs show is that overclocking your memory can improve FPS to a significant level for gaming (on one graph it was a jump from 23 average FPS from 2133 speed to 3600 on an i7-7700k), but it can hurt performance in other areas such encoding whether it be unzipping a file, or computing a hash for an encryption algorithm. However, as Linus said, if you're not willing to suffer the pain of figuring out the right frequency to overclock at it's not worth it.
4:56 “looking closelyier”
He says that a lot lmao
Signature linus
Like you don't have one too.
The CPU eats 1's and 0's and poops out games, etc. Interesting way to look at it.....
nah, the cpu does poop out 1's and 0's.. sorry..
your monitor then does poop-out analog information, a visible picture, when it has eaten also these 0's and 1's
Sooo much poop!!
i like my poop atleast at 60fps
Kiran the the anus can't feel more than 24 fps
I'm pooping 0.33 frames per day.
Where's the full video of Linus destroying that keyboard? I really want to see it.
Casper Ko It says it at the start of the fragment in the bottom left corner, from "Giveaway! Nerd rage video contest..." 3:52
Thxs
Also instead of getting RGB Ram just get regular RAM and use more LSD and that problem will be fixed
T L S if only I had the plug for the latter
Would be cool if there was a quick revisit on this
why? you really think you have to check this stuff each 6-12 months or something?
it doesn't matter, you're never going to notice it, it's been the same for 20 years.
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 everyones recommending 3600mhz cl 16 ram now especially for ryzen processors. This video is a bit outdated
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 you must have a potatoe as a computer if you think like that! One thing I have learned building PC's since the 90s, is that upgradability, modularity and construction are the most important. No point in building a comp that would be already 4 years old, get relatively new components, a high end Mobo a good example, can always add new stuff.
I tried to explain to an old friend that faster ram doesn't really make a difference but he didn't believe me. This is the same guy who's buying two 1080ti for his 1920*1080 60hz display though...
James well, if he going to use SSAA in games or will try maining then that's okay, otherwise he idiot.
Alex Morgan well that's right, but anyway you should agree that running 2x1080Ti on 1080p it's nonsense, okay if there was 144 or even 240Hz but on 60Hz? Really?!
Andyys he should just educate him on monitor refresh rates, the guy surely has money for that as well.
neocodex3 well if it's an good monitor, then you can overclock it from 60hz to 95-120 pretty easy)
if hes got that money to spend atleast tell him to get a asus swift pg278q or something like that for 1440p 144hz or if he wanna stay 1080p then get a 144hz 1080p monitor or even ultrawide idk
Hi Linus - My Commodore 64 only has 64kb of ram. Should I upgrade to the much more powerful Commodore 128 or does ram really matter? Please respond as I'm trying to get more than 16 colours while playing Flimbo's Quest. Thanks.
aahahhahahahahaha golden, just golden
if you ever get a proper computer i recommend using windows vista btw
Best he goes for Windows 3.11 - it comes with built-in General Protection Fault feature.
Sean Ó Briain nah wait for Windows 11
Yes, the size does.
Alexander Paul Mariñas 64 kb??? Lol. Probably won't even be able to run windows with that
Speed matters, but it is dependant on CAS latency.
3200mhz DDR4 CAS-14 is pretty much the best thing commercially available right now.
As speed increases, typically CAS latency increases as well, so much so that something like 4266mhz DDR4 CAS-19 is actually SLOWER than 3200 CAS-14 memory.
You can do the math: [L/(0.5*S)]*1000=E
L= Latency (CAS),
S= Speed (in Mhz),
E= Effective Rating (lower E value = better)
So for 3200mhz CAS-14 ram the equation would be:
[14/(0.5*3200)]*1000=8.750
For 4266mhz CAS-19 it's:
[19/(0.5*4266)*1000=8.907
If you could get 4266mhz ram with a CAS latency of 18 THEN it would be slightly faster than 3200mhz CAS-14 RAM... unfortunately it doesn't exist (or is not actually available for purchase).
It's freaking crazy that 95% of people subbed to linustechtips dont see that comment. This explanation is 100x better than any video, and you are correct, it's seems the people is not friendly IT related knowledge or real interest.
Linus, please respond.
people only look st the hertz... It was always like that...
i remenber people buying AMD in the past thinking more GHZ = more SPEED..
most people are simple. they got for the easy numbers
THANK YOU (yes, in all caps)
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THIS!!!!
srrly I had heard about something about latency and this is an awesome explanation!
When you find RAM that is RGB and it's the same price.
*STONKS*
@Advocatus Diaboli then you have chosen the path of darkness.
@@onehellofameme6166 darkness is cold, so there for it fits right with water cooling baby!
STINKS
@@onehellofameme6166 Literally
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I love how we can just refer to computer companies with Red, Blue, and Green, and PCMR will understand
AmCan Tech Videos Maybe because AMD's main colour is red, Intel's blue and Nvidia's green? They did this to make it easier to recognize. This isn't something about the oh so glorious pc masterrace.
Which proves RGB is the natural development of computer technology
Yes, it is recognizable. Anyone out of the PCMR wouldn't have a clue, that's why I mentioned it. My parents wouldn't know which computer related brand is red or green.
I thought it a weird pokemon reference i don't understand. The whole Intel vs. AMD- fanwar is retarded...
AmCan Tech Videos They could learn in 30 seconds.
Short answer: barely any difference, so no.
Thanks, I really didn't want to watch a 9 minute video when it instead could be summed up so succinctly.
It's not a correct summary though. There are pretty considerable performance boosts when going from 2133 to 2666 or 3200 MHz, particularly on AMD CPUs.
Look at the benchmarks. Games like Rise of the Tom Raider has a FPS increase of 12 when going from 2133 to 3200 MHz on AMD and and increase of 22 on Intel. That's a meaningful difference. To say RAM speed doesn't matter is disingenuous, it's not as simple as that. Hence, watch the video.
Linus the ram performance differentiates based on more aspects like the cas latency, look up ram cas latency chart for more information thats why certain higher sped ram has lower performance then a lower sped ram based on Cas Latency.
Matte so wheres is the sweet/efficient spot ?
Alim Kanca cas 14 3200mhz ram
thats the best
the sweet spot? dunno maybe 2133mhz
Thx
Alim Kanca np just dont kill ichigo again
Matte do you really think he doesn't know that?
That guy got scammed, Linus only gave him one stick.😂
Dylan Wood
That's what ram is
How dare you call Dennis “that guy” 😂
@@robertetzenhouser I haven't bought anything from lttstore.com, I didn't know man lmao
Dylan Wood 😂it’s ok
@@robertetzenhouser idk, I'm kinda a fake fan if I don't have ltt branded cable ties in my pc lmao
Remember when RAM was the cheapest component? Ah, those were the days.
*Cries in 1600mhz*
RAM can now cost more than a Z390 quality board (looking at the MSI Tomahawk) and even 80+ Platinum PSU, but at least the CPU and GPU will still cost you more =D
**cries in 800MHz**
Yep, that's the speed of my RAM.
You can get 16gb ddr4 2600 or faster for like 70 bucks. A z390 is minimum like $110
I remember when ram was purchased in MBs and it was THE most expensive upgrade. In fact it was mostly the only other than HD. Like being excited to go to a 100mb hd.... So yeah....I remember when it dropped way in price too. I maxed my build to 16 Mb. 33mghz if I remember. I'm old. :(
I guess I'm saying the circle is complete. And it's sad. Be happy though. It'll come back around. You might be old by then. Lol
I paid like $220 for my DDR4 3000Mhz and about a month later they dropped to like $140. their currently around $95 ~ $120 now for 2x8GB
TL;DR not much
Thomas Latham TL;DW*
WROOONG, go check some tests with a older CPU, i5 2500K for example and a modern GPU, RAM speed can make a 20FPS difference there. If you upgrade your GPU regularly but not your CPU you will totally profit from spending a bit more on fast RAM.
*not worth spending money on.
link? where is the ddr4 with i5 2500?
that series of i5 ( Sandy Bridge ) doesnt have a Motherboard that will take DDR 4 i dont think .... Skylake onwards only
Most beautiful intro I have ever seen.
so cringe. lol
Woah that's a lot of likes in one day
3:52 DUDE HOW TF HE JUST KICKED THE DAMN KEYBOARD WITH THOSE SANDALS?
I just downloaded 64gb ram
Abid well I just downloaded the new gtx 1090
Abid Yea sikk man I just downloaded 4 titan x's in sli bridge with an extreme core i7, need more storage so im gonna download some
I have downloaded two titan gtx 2070 32 Petabytes of GDDRSmartXUltraMegaBurningRamX and 7.5 billion cuda cores, now I can play minesweper 360p 24fps
Gordon Ramsay i would recommend you downloading a 10000watt Powersuply too because of your new hardware if you have any storage left
whoa links?
i want an rgb toilet with bidet
www.glowbowl.com/
aspieman1970 that only has 7 colors real rgb has *millions*
xianzeeng
Who cares if it matters or not? IT'S FREE! All you have to do is download more!
how to download more RAM ?
Lol he's joking
freusin "how to download more RAM" search on google m8. you can also download clockspeed for your processor so it can run faster.
Yeah! I downloaded the internet onto the 900 exabyte SSD I downloaded!
its like installing an os on a flashdrive. I installed a gtx 1080 ti and intel i9 on my flash drive for NO COST
Let me just say, the infographics for this video are beyond epic and they haven't aged a bit.
I usually buy higher speed RAM, down clock it and tighten the timings and almost always set to 1T. I have 3200MHz Corsair Vengence LPX running at 3000 15-15-15-35 1T. Standard is 3200 @ 16-18-18-36 2T. A balance of speed and timings is what you should look for, not sheer speed.
One of the few usefull coments overhere!!. You understand this shit. It would be an excellent idea that linus (you or somebody) could test this.
I don't get what you are saying D:
Whats that timing
Ryzen or intel? What mobo?
Hmm now if only Rams price would calm down
GiSWiG i didnt understand a fucking thing, but you sound smart so ill give you a upvote
3:53 Imagine if a neighbour was watching him ... x'D
Redhead Knight lmao
@@shaunak3524 hmmm then just think about how the neighbours feel when they see How to basic
This is probably a normal and daily thing there.
(Neighbor conversation)
Husband: "Hey honey, Linus is going apeshit outside again."
Wife: "I'll get the video camera."
they are used to, they have How to basic guy in next house :-D
@Bro. Matthew - PvtMadnage jesus can eat my shit
I love the scene with Linus breaking the keyboard XD
Ok we need a update
What is the best website to download ram?
HeilEvalionMeinFührer pornhub
Jokanokaloka no they aren't! I downloaded 512GB of RAM and my pc got alot faster.
no they arent i downlaoded 64gigs of 8300mhz ram
no they arent i downlaoded 64gigs of 8300mhz ram
HeilEvalionMeinFührer eBay.com you download it by clicking the purchase button.
Lol that keyboard scene, Linus is the new ich will spielen kid.
linus is AGK's uncle
:^)
Was für ein Kind?
Korrekt Junge
I want a gif of that scene.
Sup፝֟reme Mees ouch.
Nice Thumbnail!!! Great Title!
I watch how you sleep .
+Colton Oslund
Anass Rhammar Aww, thanks!
Colton Oslund i see what you did there
karma police Thanks!
4:00 your neighbors must love you
Thank you! That was awesome. Building a new PC and gathering info about what the best RAM would be.These statistics (esp. those about encoding) helped me a lot. And thank you for that wonderful "closelier".
Do you got DDR4?
I once told my IT guy I needed more than, he said sure and took my mouse to head into system settings and increased the virtual memory and said there you go all the while I stared at him in disbelief.
stevencage89 😂😂😂😂😂
He just downloaded more RAM, ez pz
If it was an office computer, that is a very valid solution. The chances of more hardware ram being approved for your workstation is low.
"closelier"
I was wondering if anyone else caught that. 😆
I read this as soon as he said it 😂
New word. Lol
😂😂😂
it is an actual word you dumbasses, it means "more closely"
6:01 Hello from the future (2019) , 2017 I just bought the Vengeance PRO 16GB(2x8GB) DDR4 3000 for LESS than $100 USD!!!!!
We are blessed.
OMG samesies!!!!
I bought 1.5 years ago for 150 on BLACK FRIDAY!
I got that same thing for $50 cuz of google express sales
I got sum for 64 dolors
"Looking Closelyer."
you picked up on that too ha
Haha
Loool I knew someone was gonna comment this haha.
I scrolled the comments just to see if someone commented on this. I was not disappointed.
Fsilone Haha
I tried OCing my 1600Mhz RAM to 2400 (which it's supposed to do) and all hell broke loose. Finally had to clear CMOS.
I ain't touching that again!
I know.. I'm weak. ༼ つ ಥ_ಥ ༽つ
HairlessHare look for bios updates or maybe your motherboard cant handle it
BIOS update seems like a solid option atm. How old is the mobo?
I got mine too: HyperX Savage DDR3 2400Mhz OC. Sometimes it crashes my PC, sometimes it crashes the games but still... Now that's some boot speed, navigation velocity and game load improvement!
Same, my 2000 Mhz RAM refuses to do above 1600 Mhz, despite being officially 'tested' to :'(
im still using ddr3 1333.
YOU PICKED THE WRONG HOUSE, FOOL!
Carl Johnson oh really ?
Carl Johnson ddr2 800 suckers!
ddr3 1600
ddr 600 mhz
Can we get a revamp of this since amd is much more ram dependent now?
Ignoring the speeds, RAM prices are stupid at the moment.
i know right? i paid 73€ für 16GB of DDR3 a few years ago, price for the SAME exact kit was up to twice of that just before DDR4 took over!
What are you guys talking about? RAM prices is lower than ever...
130$ for a medium range 16GB kit is way too much. Luckily I got mine for 85$ around the time Z170 was brand new. At that time you could get a DDR3 kit for 60, so I though the prices of DDR4 would decline over a few months. Never was I that wrong :D
ddr3 1333mhz is better
sapnu puas Suuure
Haha, I could perfectly imagine Linus selling some RAM which fell under table like this after work :D !!
id still buy it xD
Did I stumble upon Techquickie by mistake?
0:13 Linus Sebastian the only person on earth eligible for wearing a burberry trenchcoat on sandals sockless lmao
Those poor neighbors probably think Linus is a crazy dude from time to time that inhales dust remover lol
No.
Thanks for watching.
Proud OutLoud
It does, though. lol.
Not really. As long as your RAM's maximum speed (Combined) can at least match or overcome your CPU speed, then the RAM speed won't make any difference.
ShakeITyEA lag thats all !
I didn't believe it either.. but it does help, a lot. Especially if your CPU is the bottleneck.
For ex. 2500K OC 4.5Ghz, 1333Mhz RAM has the same performance as a 2500K NON OC 2133Mhz.
How to get guud CPU performance:
1. Fast Memory
2. OC CPU
3. ???
4. Profit
+3D tutorials
your explanation for less stutters and up to 40 fps more is... LAG??? :steamfacepalm:
Yall talkin about expensive ram while I'm remember paying $250 for 2GB of DDR2 Kingston in 2004
You had DDR in 2004? Shit, I had PC-133 DIMM.
I paid $158 for 8MB of EDO RAM in like 1996. Back then an 8MB stick was huge! What's funny is I kind of remember my computers doing pretty much what they can do now. OK I guess in games the resolution and detail was a bit lower. But it isn't the crazy improvement I'd think 1,000 times better specs would bring.
thats a long time ago :)
A couple decades now. Back then we were all living in caves using stone tools. But with no social media we had more fun.
RAYTHEONGAMING I remember paying 125 for 512 mb
"The time and know how to tinker with it, but also the patience to drop everything and deal with it when something isn't working"
This is crazy accurate.
4:06 Only in Canada.
surrey?.....i live in white rock...he lives around here?....whaat
DDR3 master race!
Hell ya! Fuck DDR4!
airbomb34 *DDR2 fuck, all y'all.
I download my RAM
Yeah, I download it too.. why are you people buying this garbage. I get 5000mhz after running rgb_ram_host.exe
DDR fuck alll
I updated my previous pc's motherboard driver, which included speeding up the RAM speed from 32GB@1333MHz to 32GB@1600MHz. Yes, a long time ago on a motherboard far, far away...
There was a marked improvement in the Star Swarm Stress Test, from only that driver update. I think RAM speed does make a difference in operation. Up to a point it improves, as shown in the video.
Till 2666 you will see improvement but later it is very less improvement.
Better to go for moderate ram speed & increase no of ram will boost performance more than what you get in actual.
WTF LINUS I was not prepared for absolute destruction to that keyboard in such a funny way lmaooo.
Ask your girlfriend if the speed you RAM her at really matters.
Lázaro Blanc lmaoooo
If you're ramming her at over 2000 times per second I think her preference for speed doesn't really matter because your penis just burst into flames from the friction.
It's megahertz, not hertz. so it would actually be 2000000000 a second
Lázaro Blanc need a girlfriend to do that
Michael just laid down the heat. Damn, get the man some water.
Thats some porn level acting
the best acting
"But, looking closelier" @4:56
Is this the correct use of our beloved language Linus? LOL
why he's not making videos like this anymore?! xD
How did you forget to cover timing?
what is it?
He ram out of time
+Robbie Zeigler Understanding how RAM timings work is a core element in overclocking RAM. Saying that speed/bandwidth is just flat out more important than timing... well, let's just say I won't be asking you to tune _my_ RAM anytime soon.
Timing still important Robbie, it help on high task that bring fps drops. Specially now in 2017 with memorys that only have 20-20-20-28 when back in DDR2 times It was lot better with 5-5-5-15 (the lower the better). Main issue impo is the lack of quad-channel on this multicores CPUs. Maybe next gen of ryzen 2 can solve this issue, but in my country you better go for Intel and save ton of money on uncesary high speed memory that won't even help outperform new Intel 8700k when going ryzen, or even a 4700k with DDR3.
I just bought some 3200 and 3600 to do some benchmarks with this ryzen 5. In some cases Ryzen works better with high ram Mhz. But most of the time you cant really see a difference.
Nice. I look forward to the Video :)
What Processor?
Ryzen 1500x Vs I5 6500 on multiple games as well as the same games with an "under load" situation.
GamersNexus did an in depth comparison of this including what added fps gains: game updates, windows updates, bios updates, ram speed increase. He found that Intel actually scales better than Ryzen with faster ram, and only 2 of the games he tested showed major differences for Ryzen (WatchDogs2 and something else)
Nice that's interesting I will have to check that out. Thanks for the info.
Look at those RAM prices, something inside of me just died.
I’m so glad I didn’t decide to build a PC until now
Bought the G.skill aegis 16gb 3000mhz for 68$ brand new
Im gonna save for 32gb ram for 100 pounds
Reverse Purple no point
@@sonhegdeog7454 Same
This is a great tip.
In summary, the amount of RAM depends on your computer build which is based on the job (gaming, video editing, general office work) that your computer will serve.
Ha I remember when I asked someone who thinks they know everything about computers how much ram they had and they said "I have 1 TB ram and 8GB Storage"... Yeah thats good m8
GREEVZ
😂😂😂
I know someone who would probably say something like that. He also believes that you can download more ram. Honestly, no joke
He had to be joking right....
It could have been a typo, you can't just assume that they don't know what they're talking about because they switched the numbers.
Atleast it wasn't my friend with "3 gigaBYTES of internets"
If what you're working on can't fit completely in the L3 cache, and capacity misses can't be solved by prefetch, then memory access time is your primary bottleneck.
There is a lack of RAM Timing info in this video. I would imagine that would have more to do with the slight performance differences over anything else. If you study the patterns in the timings, the faster GHZ/MHZ RAM has slower timings... so if you run that DDRXXX RAM at different clock speeds, you can get away with different timing settings. In my opinion, they're basically ripping people off with the higher clock speeds. In reality, your better performing RAM in whatever DDRXXXX range you're looking at, has the lowest timings. And in reality, the speed isn't the bottleneck. If the clock speed was a bottleneck, you'd see way more than a 1-4% improvement.
Slower timing? Mind explaining to the uneducated masses? Sounds like something Linus should have definitely covered but did not.
Sure. Going to paste the wiki definition below... but basically it's the latency of different memory operations. There's about a dozen different measurements for various operations, but you'll see the most common written as something like 9-9-9-27. If the manufacturer only lists 1 number, they're referring to the cas latency specifically. So you might have a 1600mhz clock speed, but have added latency due to the time it takes to randomly access memory addresses. Different sticks or sets of RAM with the same clock speed will probably have similar results that Linus explained in the video.
Column Access Strobe (CAS) latency, or CL, is the delay time between the moment a memory controller tells the memory module to access a particular memory column on a RAM module, and the moment the data from the given array location is available on the module's output pins.
You have no clue, the latency in seconds has not changend for many years. The RAM with higher clock speed needs more cycles to respond - yes - but this is not relevant as every cycle consumes less time as there are more cycles per second.
This should be a no brainer, but people keep spreading this shit all over the Internet.
Leli196 I guess Crucial has no clue how RAM works then.
" When the memory controller tells the RAM to access a particular location, the data must go through a number of clock cycles in the Column Address Strobe in order to get to its desired location and “complete” the command. With this in mind, there are two variables that determine a module's latency"
www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-performance-speed-latency
On your own reference:
Which is more important: speed or latency?
Based on in-depth engineering analysis and extensive testing in the Crucial Performance Lab, the answer to this classic question is speed. In general, as speeds have increased, true latencies have remained approximately the same, meaning faster speeds enable you to achieve a higher level of performance. True latencies haven't necessarily increased, just CAS latencies. And CL ratings are an inaccurate, and often misleading, indicator of true latency (and memory) performance.
"Clocked out with my RAM out"
Hahaha, nice.
Am i the lonly one still using ddr 3 ram ...
Nope. Most of us probably are. I have DDR3-2133.
DDR3-1333MHz here!
i have ddr2 800mhz
Alkatar Zomari Really?!?
Nope. I'm running DDR3-1400 with an i5-4670k and GTX 1070
I have relative simple 2133mhz ram, pretty relative cheap Crucial sticks, but still in quad channel mode (8 x 8GB modules), so it makes me even wonder, and this one would be a nice one for Linus to figure out, if quad channel 2133mhz ram is faster than for example dual channel 3200mhz ram?
Quad channel 2133mgh is not much better than dual 3200mgh
No no no
@@V_luv22 40 PCI_express lines
8GB 3200 mhz Or 32Gb 1600mhz
Which is better for gaming ?
Still using DDR 400Mhz you plebs, Hugs Athlon XP :)
Time to upgrade to DDR2 I think, maybe? :P
No shade here. I just rebuilt my Windsor core machine, with its DDR2 800.
wait....
Athlon????
#oldschoolbestschool
I loved my thoroughbred 1400 NON XP Athlon. Was a beast and fucked every PIII on the market hands down
A few tips for over clocking,.. 1) minimize the number of slots per channel. If your system has two slots per channel, populate only one, using the furthermost slot 2) use the smallest memory stick you can. Being unbuffered, the more memory on a stick, the higher the loading and less chance of tolerating higher speeds.
Still rocking 24GB of 1066MHz RAM with a i7 950 and GTX1070, works great at 1080p
Nice bottleneck you have there brah.
Probably, but works great at 1080p/60fps @ highest settings in most games (but sadly Ark still only gives me 40-50 fps on epic)
smefour ark is badly optimized
smefour what do you need 24gb ram for? Genuinely curious.
When playing Ark at max settings I use a total of about 13GB RAM, the way my 6 DIMM triple channel slots work is that I need to have RAM in each pair of slots if i go over by one (now 4) I need to balance that out with two more (now 6) for the 6 DIMM triple channel to work. I can start with a reasonable 6GB but that's too low, my next balanced upgrade would be to 12GB, but that is not enough for some applications, so the next perfectly balanced number is 24GB for my motherboard (Sabertooth X58), so I opted for that
And Here I am with 8Gb ddr3 1600Mhz. Well, At least not bad latency
same
Krzysztof Dolecki im the same but 16gb
Same here. Do you have any lag in youtube ??? i tried to go 2133mhz but it got worse !! a lot of lag. fx-8350 maybe old but no way in hell it can run youtube !!
I have no problem with anything, only gta on very high because if you fly hydra very close to ground textures dont load and sometimes there is frezee fo half sec etc. Everything other is fine
8:54 THE MACHINES ARE UPRISING!!!
xD
Tigrouo ***UPRYZEN
Uprising? More like payback for all the tech Linus has dropped.
Overwatch Uprising (UpRyzen) sort of
I wonder, how relevant this is in 2019 with Ryzen 3?
@@droopy_eyes I'm running a ryzen 5 2600 stock cooler no OC with 16gb of ddr4 @ 2666mhz and I'm having serious stutters in a lot of games. I know my RX 570 8gb is plentiful to runn 100+ fps on med for most games. I'm tempted to upgrade my ram to 3200mhz but I'm on the fence if it's worth it or not.
@@droopy_eyes I'm ordering an aio for the cpu to enter the OC territory. Wish me luck lol.
Athlon 200ge
@@droopy_eyeshow did you manage to get it running at 3200? ive got 4x3200 but only running at 2996MHz
@@npgzzgpn your motherboard should just adjust it to run at 3200, if you can't then you can increase BCLK and decrease your CPU multiplier by a little to keep your core clocks the same.
did anyone else zone out around 3:54 to 4:11?? XD I had to back up to catch what was mentioned during that part of the video.
Linus, this is a useful video, but I feel like skipping over CAS latency is a huge oversight. There's been a lot of talk on forums about how much CAS latency has an effect on especially RYZEN. I think including the effect of CAS latency would have made this about a perfect video.
0:06 Linus looks like eminiem with that hat lol
His palms are sweaty, knees weak, RAMs are heavy...
no, i mean like not at all?
Idle Wolf There's thermal paste on his sweater, mums spaghetti.
"Does anything at all really matter?" - Universe
antimatter doesn´t matter
@@Sam-ko8mt it antimatters
Existence is painful
God comment and God rey
3:48 ah so that's how the kamikaze from serious sam are born, tech workers experiencing difficulties.
Makes sense.
How does one react when your computer is slow cause of memory?
Y u SO-DIMM? 🤷♂️
@Aziri Some people laugh at sad experiences so I find that believable.
Ugh..
?
*Short answer: Sure it does (Kind of) matter*.
But here's the thing. Memory access is in the time of say some small number 200ns. So great nice and fast, you could even with more modern RAM get that access down lower. But the thing is..... Fast RAM means Shit if you don't have enough RAM. Even though most modern OS's use Demand Paging, if your RAM fills up, that beautiful 120ns access time means shit when your Page Faulting every other memory hit; might I add that with even an SSD a page fault can be up to 2,000,000ns. This is called thrashing; when a page is referenced that isn't in memory so it has to access it from physical storage (from a page file). So if your on any kind of budget, getting 8GB of super fast DDR4 is a BAD idea, rather get slower DDR4/3 at 16GB.
The Degree of multi-programming is decided by the long term job scheduler, it'll put what ever it can into RAM that is being used, so if your running a lot of programs, or heavy RAM hungry programs, fast RAM wont save you. Opt for more cheaper RAM.
I've always wanted to see a latency vs mhz comparison. In the end,high performance RAM is little more than increased ability to handle data throughput with greater efficiency and lower temps. What happens when you keep 4k ram at 2666, and start dropping latency clocks? After all, if you want a TRUE speed boost, latency is where it's at, not sheer throughput.
Still 26GB DDR3 1333mhz at Am3+
Niiicceee Nice
64 GB DDR3 1600MHz at LGA 2011 :^)
128GB DDR3 1333Mhz on LGA 1366x2?
I do numerical simulations of complicated physics. 64GB cost me only 65$ more than 32GB Lol, so might as well
I'm a part-time game dev, and a full-time AI dev. I often exceed the 32GB on my desktop, which is all it supports :(
I could easily go over 128GB too on my AI devbox, but usually I'm limited by the 12GB on my GPUs... c'mon nVidia, make a 24GB+ GPU for under $5000 :(
i got an deal on a 3200 16gb ram kit for under the price of the other ones. I just got to buy it!
They also got RGB inside them!
Great Video!
Does RAM speed affect Audio DAW and Virtual instruments / Effects performance?
Nope. Go for bigger ram size so you can load more samples and an SSD to load them faster / stream them directly from the disk without glitches. And a faster CPU if your current clock speed is not enough for demanding VSTs. For live performances, RAM size is everything so you are able to preload your whole setlist in the ram.
Thx for this point of view
Is not a point of view, is the truth =D in Kontakt for example there is an option that you can tick for use more RAM than HD
NVMe M.2 to store samples even better, but it's all still gonna be limited by your AD/DA converters and other slowdowns in the chain. There's some good little apps out there now that will analyze your system and show where it's slowing down (assuming you're trying to get minimal delay in live sample use. Check out www.gearslutz.com and do a search).
Your neighbors must just look out the window thinking, “TH-camrs”, and walk away shaking their head. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I rate thumbnail 3/5 needs more rgb and lasers
this is all short and sweet but leaves cas latency timing s out of the equation..need ram timings included here.....lower vs higher to see the differences
Should definitely go over this again, since memory has changed a bit since
Linus, glad you did not hurt yourself killing the keyboard.
it must be trip living next to this guy. "honey, what the hell is that sound?" "oh Linus is probably making another video, looks like hes trying to throw gtx titans into a wood chipper but he keeps dropping them" "oh ok that makes sense"
for anybody still questioning ram speeds (in games), i just upgraded one of my desktop PC's today that has a 6700k, 16gb 2133mhz(G.skill ripjaws), and MSI 980ti SLI gaming 6G's (running at 1364mhz each) to 16GB of 3200mhz(G.skill Trident Z RGB). i've been building PC's and doing hardware/peripheral repair for most of my life and i still have my original mac II and 486 dx2/66mhz flatbed PC systems, etc. etc. etc. x100 (to let you know how long i've been working on computers). Very simply put, there are alot of tests out there that show ram speeds not changing or barely changing in regards to performance with gaming in particular, but i game on my primary system in 4k(usually on a 1.1 scale above 4k with DSR) on a 70" vizio P series (where 4k is said to have the least amount of gains from the RAM speed increases and much more being seen in 1080p and lower setups), but the increase from 2133mhz to 3200mhz was astronomical for me. I'm running a gigabyte z170X gaming 6 board, 6700k now at a modest 4.5ghz on a corsair H80i, and a samsung 970 evo primary in this particular system and i've seen massive jumps in CPU dependent AND non-CPU dependent games like guild wars 2, shadow of mordor, fallout 4, wolfenstein 2, DOOM, diablo 3, forza horizon 4, and farcry 5. The 1% low increases are exponentially up as well as a result(which to me is most important). To use a specific example: my average, minimum and max FPS in farcry 5 in 4k with everything set to ultra on a 1.1 resolution scale in 4k+ went from 44-55, 39-45, and 50-65. My frames rendered went from 2516 to 3198. This one specific test in particular proves that my 2133mhz was bottle-necking my system something serious. These numbers are all before i OC'd to 4.5ghz so both tests were run at 4.0ghz. i've tested more than 15 games so far and i've seen substantial increases and very immediate and obvious-to-my eyes FPS changes in all games i have tested so far. because of the insane increases, i ordered the exact same set of RAM for my 7600k/1080ftw system and i will post the changes when it comes in later this week. not too bad for a $77 RGB ram set. I know what the infinite amount of charts show online, but what i'm seeing in my real-world tests don't lie. i'm blown away at the increases.
Hello C DieselDawg,
Your comment has been informative and helpful to me.
Thank you.
I'm running a 6700k at 4.6GHz on a Gigabyte Z170x with 16GB 3400Mhz cas16 G. Skill TridentZs. I would like to hold out a little bit longer on a CPU upgrade, am contemplating getting faster RAM. Do you think it will be worth it? Running a 5700XT at 1440p.
So... what you are saying is buy faster RAM and enable XMP?
@@nozyspy4967 you can enable XMP or manually enter your frequency and timings in bios. it's all very simple. faster RAM decreases CPU utilization in games allowing the GPU to do the work it is supposed to do. especially if you are approaching a bottleneck with an older CPU.
@@chs_ambs8356 i would definitely hold out. i'm now running a 1080ti FTW3 @ +50 core, +90 memory @ 115% power on the same setup you have now(i also have a 7700K @ 4.9 rig with the same GPU/RAM too). i gave up my 980ti SLI and am incredibly happy with the results going to 1080Ti. i only game in 4K and my 6700k rig stomps the 9900k/2080 test score in firestrike ultra by over 600 points. 1080ti is considerably stronger than 5700XT, but at 1440P, you have an awesome system. definitely keep what you have and don't give into the marketing bull.
Welp I have 32 gigs of DDR5 soooo