Okay but fr the McCoy era had some really impressive model and CSO shots that I'm amazed they were able to do on a TV budget in 1988. The floating casket is so well motion tracked and blends so well with the environment for the time it was made
It's interesting if you compare what you mentioned to the Narnia series that was made simultaneously by the BBC children's dept - it probably had at least five times as much time and money thrown at it, employed similar techniques - yet you wouldn't really know it when comparing the shows. I think the only one that really lets us down in parts is Battlefield where everything gets lavished on a monster that only gets seen for a few seconds and all the FX are in the hands of a director who hasn't done a lot of digital stuff on TV?
Erm, I think you'll find that Season 23 on the beach is NOT "green screen", nor is Season 26 "Survival". Those are after effects done in Quantel/paintbox.
Tbh disagree it’s bad in one shot in 2015 but I think they had it better in that era and it’s always genuinely just got better Like 13’s era was even better then the current era is very good
Yeah, I remember many of these being orders of magnitude better... I regret rewatching them cause now they just look goofy af and my memories are ruined lol.
@@Icelandic_Sand No I never said that I want it to have good effects, it's just that when I was a kid the effects from classic Who used to look mind blowing compared to what they look like now, why would you ever warp the words that I've said to make it seem like I'm saying something so deranged? not cool, man....
Should’ve included the shots from Day of the Doctor’s opening where you can see green reflections all over Matt Smith… hopefully we’re past the era of sloppy mistakes like that.
I’m not sure the scene you picked for the TV Movie was the best example (is that even a chroma key shot?), the scene where Grace and The Doctor kissed is pretty well done chroma key. Also I think the scene of The Doctor standing before the Dalek Emperor is a better example of Series 1’s most impressive chroma key.
I recall some double exposure shots against black, but you can’t do green screen with a b/w camera that can’t see green. The first use of green screen in Doctor Who is a shot of a dinosaur in The Silurians.
I don't think The Church on Ruby Road is part of the next series. The technology throughout the '70s was basically the same so it doesn't really improve much for a while.
@@BH-98 Yeah, I don't know if you have the old Myths & Legends box set with Underworld on it, but I seem to remember the 90s Star Wars films DO get mentioned (if you get hold of the Featurette on the story I think it might be that rather than the Commentary) because of the heavy reliance on techniques which had been mastered by that time but when DW were doing it they were basically cobbling together stuff on the spot which then became the norm (a lot of what the Techs were doing at the BBC should have made them very rich - even though the results were not what you'd get decades later - that is, very rich if they'd had been working anywhere else!)
@@BH-98 Nice one. Definitely worth it if it's the same edition! I think they talk to the set designer on the bonus - it's nearly a decade ago since I saw it though so I'm pretty sure it's that product (and not some 'fan interview' etc...)
The 60th CGI was just just absolutely terrible, a worse clip is Donna and the fake doctor talking when the fake doctors head goes inbetween his legs🤨, that was just 😐
Considering the Not-Things have no grasp of physics and matter the weird effects kind of work to their advantage imo. Things shouldn't look like that, but the Not-Things do.
@@stuff31that’s still no excuse, their bodies stretch into impossible shapes but it still has to visually make some sort of sense. The doctors head between his legs does not as there’s nowhere his head should be attached to
It's really following the downward trajectory set by Hollywood the last 10+ years (which is why I heap fulsome praise on a lot of OLD CGI in Who as well on a lot of film and TV).
@@KismetMulhaneski-to3wg I’m all for laughing at the cgi in classic who. But for me, apart from the head spikes in the long game (an episode I never rewatch anyway) there’s no cgi in Doctor who series 1-6 at least that’s ever really taken me out of the moment.
@@obiwankenobi687 I tend to view it a bit in the same way as jinky death ray FX and model shots in the old series i.e if you're NOT REALLY noticing it, then obvs. someone's doing something right (exceptions being when it's done as a "statement" of course like the model fx in Trial of A Timelord etc or the Rani's Bubbles etc)!
Okay but fr the McCoy era had some really impressive model and CSO shots that I'm amazed they were able to do on a TV budget in 1988. The floating casket is so well motion tracked and blends so well with the environment for the time it was made
It's interesting if you compare what you mentioned to the Narnia series that was made simultaneously by the BBC children's dept - it probably had at least five times as much time and money thrown at it, employed similar techniques - yet you wouldn't really know it when comparing the shows.
I think the only one that really lets us down in parts is Battlefield where everything gets lavished on a monster that only gets seen for a few seconds and all the FX are in the hands of a director who hasn't done a lot of digital stuff on TV?
Smith era was peak for special effects imo
Erm, I think you'll find that Season 23 on the beach is NOT "green screen", nor is Season 26 "Survival". Those are after effects done in Quantel/paintbox.
I find it fascinating that you can see the effects steadily improve until around 2014 where they start to get worse again
Tbh disagree it’s bad in one shot in 2015 but I think they had it better in that era and it’s always genuinely just got better
Like 13’s era was even better then the current era is very good
@TheInvisibleCactusYT
Exactly this! It’s so strange to see the show become so dependant on CGI, especially when it’s not done very well.
They did start to get better again with Jodie's era!
@@friendlyotaku9525
They really didn’t…
@@TracyBeakerMemories they did, Jodie's era has some of the most gorgeous effects we've seen.
They have improved over time but still often a bit clunky.
The 7th Doctor theme is underrated
Yeah, I remember many of these being orders of magnitude better... I regret rewatching them cause now they just look goofy af and my memories are ruined lol.
Wait, you want doctor who to have GOOD effects??? Half the enjoyment for me is the corny bug eyed monsters.
@@Icelandic_Sand No I never said that I want it to have good effects, it's just that when I was a kid the effects from classic Who used to look mind blowing compared to what they look like now, why would you ever warp the words that I've said to make it seem like I'm saying something so deranged? not cool, man....
@@tiranito2834 oh thank God, was concerned you WERE deranged for a second there. Glad to hear.
@@Icelandic_Sand ok...? that totally wasn't weird at all. For someone who talks about others being deranged, you sure look the type.
Fuzzy ass retro TVs hide shitty effects well
Should’ve included the shots from Day of the Doctor’s opening where you can see green reflections all over Matt Smith… hopefully we’re past the era of sloppy mistakes like that.
I’m not sure the scene you picked for the TV Movie was the best example (is that even a chroma key shot?), the scene where Grace and The Doctor kissed is pretty well done chroma key. Also I think the scene of The Doctor standing before the Dalek Emperor is a better example of Series 1’s most impressive chroma key.
the season 21 and 25 ones looked really good
What about first doctor episode planet of Giants i think there IS used Green screen
Back projection screen, like a big television or cinema screen.
I recall some double exposure shots against black, but you can’t do green screen with a b/w camera that can’t see green. The first use of green screen in Doctor Who is a shot of a dinosaur in The Silurians.
I don't think The Church on Ruby Road is part of the next series. The technology throughout the '70s was basically the same so it doesn't really improve much for a while.
Why is there no 50th anniversary?
No matter how things change they still look unconvincing
I think that's intentional. There's a specific vibe to Doctor Who that the fans expect. Too impressive-looking, and you lose that vibe.
season1? lol thats series 14
"Underworld" - the story that invented Star Wars' second trilogy/production method (laugh all you want - it's still true...)😏
Wow a dig at the prequel trilogy & not the sequel trilogy, that takes me back
@@BH-98
Yeah, I don't know if you have the old Myths & Legends box set with Underworld on it, but I seem to remember the 90s Star Wars films DO get mentioned (if you get hold of the Featurette on the story I think it might be that rather than the Commentary) because of the heavy reliance on techniques which had been mastered by that time but when DW were doing it they were basically cobbling together stuff on the spot which then became the norm (a lot of what the Techs were doing at the BBC should have made them very rich - even though the results were not what you'd get decades later - that is, very rich if they'd had been working anywhere else!)
@@KismetMulhaneski-to3wg I’ve got the dvd for underworld so I’ll have to give the making of & commentary a watch
@@BH-98
Nice one. Definitely worth it if it's the same edition! I think they talk to the set designer on the bonus - it's nearly a decade ago since I saw it though so I'm pretty sure it's that product (and not some 'fan interview' etc...)
The 60th CGI was just just absolutely terrible, a worse clip is Donna and the fake doctor talking when the fake doctors head goes inbetween his legs🤨, that was just 😐
Considering the Not-Things have no grasp of physics and matter the weird effects kind of work to their advantage imo. Things shouldn't look like that, but the Not-Things do.
@@stuff31that’s still no excuse, their bodies stretch into impossible shapes but it still has to visually make some sort of sense. The doctors head between his legs does not as there’s nowhere his head should be attached to
It's really following the downward trajectory set by Hollywood the last 10+ years (which is why I heap fulsome praise on a lot of OLD CGI in Who as well on a lot of film and TV).
@@KismetMulhaneski-to3wg I’m all for laughing at the cgi in classic who. But for me, apart from the head spikes in the long game (an episode I never rewatch anyway) there’s no cgi in Doctor who series 1-6 at least that’s ever really taken me out of the moment.
@@obiwankenobi687
I tend to view it a bit in the same way as jinky death ray FX and model shots in the old series i.e if you're NOT REALLY noticing it, then obvs. someone's doing something right (exceptions being when it's done as a "statement" of course like the model fx in Trial of A Timelord etc or the Rani's Bubbles etc)!