A little shoutout to a sick Mørkøv that didnt make the timelimit. Christian Prudhomme even stayed at the finishline to greet Mørkøv, thanking him for honoring TdF by fighting and finishing the stage.
I think its time for WvA to forget about breakaways and green. He already won green, he doesnt need anymore points. But he needs to save every bit of energy to help Jonas win yellow.
@@denmark2680 That was exactly what he did today. He was in a break BEFORE the crashes and came back into the peloton when the damage was clear. He has been pacing for TJV every single stage now. I mean, in what previous TdF have you ever seen the green jersey pacing in mountain stages while the white jersey tries to attack yellow? Just enjoy it man.
I think it's time that people would actually appreciate the massive work WvA is doing the last 3 years for his team, instead of critisizing him all the time.
@@l.d.t.6327 for me he is the beste rider in the world. So far he is THE rider of the TdF 2022 and the only person on earth who is able to do what he does (win stages and green, be in almost every break, pace for JV) And i only gave my opinion what i think JV and WvA should do. With only 2 other riders to help JV he should no longer get in breaks or sprint for points. Bring home yellow and green.
Seeing two TJV guys abandon today hurts but it really might open up the third week now. Maybe Ineos can start a raid on the coming stages and really spice things up.
@@tojoqueiroz2717 -Considering how Jumbo baited Tadej into chasing Roglic on Stage 11, INEOS could absolutely do the same with Yates constantly attacking to get up the road while G just sits on their wheel and doesn’t help. The issue is getting Yates to commit to basically sacrificing his race for Geraint and I don’t think that will happen by the time they get to the Pyrenees
@@unicornmaster2737 yeah could be! But not gonna happen … Thomas and Yates are really good dudes! But at this point they are just trying for podium! Both of them do not have legs to chase or surpass Poggie O Vinny! Allas, Vinny going to increase more time on Poggie! Watch .. Poggie is really showing signs of tiredness.. He been wasted energy since week one! Besides Rogla falls and Vinny mechanics problem he didn’t do much.. Just won a stage and nothing else! Said that, I really don’t think Yates has wood to put some fire!
I'm wondering why no one seems to talk about Philipsen's bike throw - also in previous stages and different races he seems to be the most commited, throwing it to mere perfection and further than any competitor!
Bike throws are the most uselss thing. Quite literally slows the rider down. In other words the most perfect bike throw is doing it after crossing the line.
@@pifko87 Yeah no. I am a physics phd student (final year) and saw a video of baseball players diving and running in a long time ago which actually motivated me study of bike throws consdering i am a cylcing fan). Yes bike throws will help you if the speed of the whole unit (person+bike) is the same for both the bike thrower and the one pedalling through. This help comes in the form of moving the bike forward when you move your body back because of centre of gravity changing. But that isn't the case and as soon as you stop pedalling you start losing speed because of resistance (both caused by air and road). In other words any advantage gained by the throw is quickly eaten away. Literally above 95% of bike throws have resulted in worse time in my study. Not to mention if there is a slight headwind then a bike throw is even worse. But i am sure you know more than me. So i will drop it and tell my supervisor pifko87 already knows our work is useless
@@harrismazari5484 are you suggesting that your research contradicts everything the worlds experts in sprinting know about bike throws? That the teams, with all of their research into the marginalest of gains have ju at got it wrong about how to execute the final, and most important, seconds of a race?
Enjoy the Rest day Men...thanks for your ability and Courage in this Great Race. Viva La Tour. Hopefully Jumbo Visma can re-group, settle down and Jonas can keep the Yellow into Paris. Smart tactics will win, for Jonas.
Long climbes, high heat, and Poggi using his matches now, it just plays the card into the hands of a very strong Jonas in the Pyrenees even this was a bad day. Hopefully the crash will have no impact. One thing is for sure the two of them are a level above the rest. They will dominante stage races in the years to come. Thanks for the show boys 😎👍
@@denmark2680 Isn't that just something that happens in a sprint. Go to early and you are fucked if you aren't clearly the strongest, go too late and you can't get over in time. Which work did Mads do more than the other 2?
Yes, I've said that too before. I think they need to change the scoring system. Unreal that there are so many points on mountaintop finishes. If Pog doesn't crack on Granon, he's one WvA crash away from sweeping the 4 jerseys (because climber's competition has been a joke so far, it seems teams are not interested in it at all)
With 2 more flat sprints (likely) coming, Philipsen likely will finish 2nd in the classification since he's now only 6 points from 2nd. And he definitely also can contest the coming intermediate sprints if he wants to (and really should do that).
@@MrRhino4U There are 20 on mountain top finishes, that is the same as in the intermediate sprints. And for mountain jersey Vingegaard is better position than Pogacar and with no double points for mountain top finishes and other riders still likely to go hunt points (Geschke, Powless, Ciccone, ...), I don't really see Pogacar taking the mountain jersey in the end.
@@HolgerDanske874 wout was given free reign today, even so he was the one babysitting vingegaard once he came back to the peloton after the crash. Rest of jumbo was too tired. He was the one who kept vingegaard in contention during roubaix stage. He was only one who had the legs to go into a break when pogacar was still in yellow to put pressure on uae, he was the one sent ahead to help vingegaard before the final mountain to pace in between the mountains, on the stage he took time on pogacar, he set the pace leading up to the final climb yesterday and so on. You all should be grateful wout is part of jumbo and not uae. Cause pogacar would be winning this easily if wout was on the other side. Vinegaard would have lost 2 minutes on the roubaix stage alone.
@@koopalibrary You can not seriously say that Wout being in a 3 man break is smart!!?? He should stay in the frigging peloton and conserve energy and sprint like hell in the end. He even got second, but who knows, he might have won if not the matches he burned by wasting energy in the break. "Babysitting" a yellow jersey in the Tour de France! I bet you would'nt put it like that if it was your favorite rider who wore it!! The green jersey is worth £21,500 and the yellow jersey is 20 times as valuable £430.000 when they hit the podium in Paris. The yellow jersey is not something you gamble with in any way! Ask any rider or DS or even a level intelligent cycling fan!
Primoz going to win the vuelta for the 4th time a row, I can definitly understand that decition, but typical jumbo misfortune that right after Primoz DNS kruijswijk DNF and Jonas + Thijs crash :( Btw insane job by Laporte in the last 10k how he kept jonas in front
going for a questionable vuelta win, while having a yellow jersey in TdF does not make sense... not least when you a resting day tomorrow. sure Roglich decision to drop and focus on Vuelta.. really looks bad now that with Kruszwick dnf. this is exactly what Jumbo wanted.. a significant lead on champ Pogacar in TdF but then again.. Jonas has been the one that has to clear when Pogacar made the moves, and was even all alone at AlpedHuez while POgacar had Majka, and again yesterday.. Jonas all alone at the finish when Pogacar had 2 or 3 helpers. so Jonas need to do as he have done sofar.. stay on the bike and show he is the strongest rider... but its these transport stages where he really needs some protection.
@@JAKOB1977 i think the team just decided his help probably wasn't needed anymore. They don't need rolling attacks of him an JV cause they are already in yellow. The best primoz could offer was 1-2 pulls in the mountains so since they didnt lose anyone else until today they probably just decided it wasn't worth risking his injuries to potentiality get worse
What a day....this is good news for Pogacar...TJV will not be as strong in the mountains anymore...Vingegaard can be isolated...Team Ineos now the strongest team..guaranteed War in the last mountain stages...love it!!
Vingegaard has been isolated over and over in the mountains. the big move he made.. it was Jonas alone with Pogacar and here Pogacar had a helper that tried to close Jonas attack and then noticed Pogacar dropped and Jumbo early attacks, that day looked kind of failed at that early point at the final climb. and again at the AlpedHuez.. Jonas was also alone when Pogacar was on revenge and he even had Majka to help. and again yesterday.. Jonas all alone with Pogacar had 2 or 3 helpers at the final climb. so Jonas been alone, pretty much all the final climbs. Its the early stages where Jumbo have been strong. but Jonas do look like he is the strongest climber.. just as he did last year TdF, but its the transport stages and the early part of the stages and closing gap and not get stress by teamplay from UAE and other.. its here he needs riders to protect and surround him and its here Roglic had a role to play..
It’d be make the race so much more exciting if Geraint Thomas would attack. I have a feeling though, that at this point he’s more concerned with staying on the podium than trying something bold, failing, and losing his third place. If there’s any hope of seeing fireworks from Pogacar in the final week, Ineos needs to play ball and start attacking Jonas.
@@osfan25 Yeah, listening to his interviews the last few days, hes been all but saying it outright, that hes riding for podium and hoping, he might get lucky and 1 or both of the others crack.
@@osfan25 Yes I agree. Once they get back into the mountains maybe, just maybe Geraint will have a go. He's in great form and certainly capable of holding his own. We will have to wait and see. But whatever happens it's been a superb TDF right from the beginning and more excitement awaits us all.
Funny,..Mads P was asked on danish TV2 why he didn’t close Phillipsen completely and Mads answered he dont wanna be that kinda guy and that it would still only have made him 2nd which he dont care for :o)
@@nielshaug30 All respect for Pedersen, but this is not how it went: Pedersen closed it for Philipsen because that's the professional way to prevent somebody from overtaking: you allow just enough space to (theoretically) pass between Pedersen and the barriers, but most sprinters don't risk it. Pedersen thought he did enough to hinder Philipsen and not get DSQ'd, so when he saw WvA coming at his right, he tried to hinder WvA as well. In the end he couldn't hinder both at the same time.
Had Quickstep brought Mark Cavendish along its hard to see how it would have compromised what they have achieved so far in the race, and maybe it would have given another possible option on some of these stages where Jakobsen is not managing to get into the sprint. Since the first few days of the race the team has not been very visible at the sharp end.
All Cavendish cared about for this year was to set the record. If they did not intend to go to TDF with him, they shouldn't have spent one year of his career. He is even stronger than he was last year and would win at least as much as Fabio has done. After the Stage 2, all that Quickstep talked about was what a good team they selected. Now, they are not saying a single word. On the other hand, I am happy that Cav is not here with QS as they would make him the scapegoat of their disastrous performance.
I honestly don’t think that much will change for Jonas. He looks to be by far the strongest ride when it goes up. No one has been able to make a dent in him. The TdF will be decided on Thursday with the Hautacam stage, which is a stage that fits Jonas really really well. How does Pogacar think he can get these 2 minutes and 22 seconds? He has tried on the flat and it didn’t work. He has tried when it went up but Jonas just sat effortlessly in his wheel, and UAE isn’t strong enough to do a “Jumbo Visma” kinda strategy to exhaust Jonas. What’s the plan for Pogacar?
I would love to see him win on the last sprint, but he has been a level below the rest of the main sprinters since day one. It would be cool, but I think highly improbable.
I would say, why not! On French TV their hypothesis was: TJV gave him the impression he could do what he wanted, to thank him for the massive work he's doing for the team every day.
Probably didn't cost him the sprint. I think he just wants to get into the break often just in case it's a stronger break that can go to the finish, but he ends up in some doomed situations.
No. Van Aert mentioned in a clip he had been given the green light to try for a break. When it was obvious it wasn't working well he either asked to or was ordered to give up. Don't think it made a difference.
I think the camera in TJV's car is for the documentary they're going to realease next year, just like they did this jear for TdF 21'. Unleeeeeess - there's talk about a Netflix series about TJV which I haven't heard about.
Seeing so many Jumbo forfeit.. do you guys think it’s too selfish for Van Aert to ensure the green shirt, when you got the yellow jersey so late in the tour, or should he be opportunistic and go for the individual performance?
@@tj.alling5640 can also mean that instead of smooth tarmac, which offers little rolling resistance, the roads are surfaced with blue metal (small stones) embedded into the tarmac, which increases the rolling resistance (and noise), regardless of temperature. Also known as "dead roads".
Did that protest lead to one of the crashes? If so it makes you angry about how selfish those protesters are really being by endangering riders in this way.
i dont watch this sport too often (only the big events) so i want to ask you guys if that behavement of pedersen at the end was normal. for an outsider he seemed to not give wout the chance to sprint in his line
Im biased cause i like Pedersen a lot, so take what i say with a grain of salt. You can see Philipsen have contact with Pedersen from his left side as he tries to move past and to make sure he doesn't force Philipsen to the barrier he steers to the right more than he probably should have. It definably hurt Wouts sprint, but I think Philipsen was faster than both regardless.
He deviated badly from his line (probably not intentional imo) and may have been sanctioned but the general policy at the UCI seems to be that sprinters can only be sanctioned when there is a crash.
Last doomed breakaway he entered he said "There seemed to be a lot of interest in getting into the break". I think he just goes hoping that there is a stronger breakaway than there is.
@@yumyumhungry : which makes no sense either : even much stronger breaks have no chances against a motivated peloton. Or has he not watched the last 30 editions of the race ?
Understandable Roglic didn't start, has to Think of his sore back/Vuelta. Uaes Mikkel bjerg and Hirshi look done For, still equel. Despite extended timelimit Michael Mørkøv didnt make IT. Over an Hour behind. Jacob Fuglsang broke a rib In his Back. Doubtfull og he can continues After Monday. Nothing decided yet. Going To be a battle of best recovery for the riders Hope Nobody has Covid tomorrow😜🔝❤️
Because that's very unsportsmanlike and would have lost him a lot of friends and respect in the peloton (not to mention the cycling world in general). You don't want to make enemies in the peloton, there's lots of ways riders and teams can make your life hell.
why wasn't Pederson relegated? because there wasn't a crash? the UCI needs to enforce the rules all the time or don't. Mads clearly deviated and affected Wout. The same as Wout did do Sagan but wasn't relegated either
It happens all the time that the sprinters are drifting to one side or the other - what usually brings punishment is when you abruptly change your course. Go back to one of the early stages where Sagan is pointing fingers at Van Aert for doing the same thing, but more egregiously.
Crash 10 points, technical 6 points (with bike swap) / 4 points (without bike swap), get blocked because of a crash or something else 2 points. Jury can give extra points for very unlikely and strange unlucky things.
For all the betters out there - I put $0.30 on pogacar to win the entire Tour de France before this stage just to see what would happen and cashed out for $0.35 after the stage 👀 sportbooks not liking the odds for vingegaard anymore or I would have never been allowed my ‘investment’ plus some a few cents back
Pogacar odds definitely went up but Vingegaard is still largely the favourite to win. 2min20s is a lot, and he can probably bleed 1 min 30 in the mountain stages and have a nice buffer for the TT.
@@clementdenis4212 This is actually the initial Tour de France I am watching, so I am very interested in the outcome. 2:22 doesn't seem like too long knowing how long it takes myself to bike a mile at the gym but im sure for these guys thats ages, especially with the limited amount of stages so I am inclined to agree with you. It is tough to bet against Pogacar knowing he is the defending champ and Vingegaard will struggle without Jumbo help
People need to stop crying about WvA and TJV. He doesn't need to babysit Vingegard. Without WvA he would be out of the tour already. Or do you want him to be there so he can pzut the chain back on for the baby?!
I really don't understand the roglic abandonment. He's made it through to stage 14, if he was that bad he'd have abandoned a stage or two after the crash. Really happy for Philipsen, his interview after the stage was nice, started tearing up a bit, always gets me!
If Roglic abandoned after his crash they could never have broken Pogi in the mountains. He was a superb teammate and used his closeness on GC to bait Pogacar perfectly when he probably knew he could not compete for GC anymore.
What sort of logic is that? You believe there's NO combination of things that can happen to the body that would render this an understandable abandonment?
Its seems its mainly down to Vuelta and then some minor hurt from early chrash, but a rest day tomorrow it really did not made any sense to dnf..and sure Kryszwick crash and dnf really made Roglic decision look bad... this is TdF and against Pogacar where Jonas seems to be the strongest. a chance of lifetime for Jumbo.
Do you remember what FDJ did to Pinot in 2019 and Gaudu in 2020? They had them ride hurt and it fucked up their bodies long term. Pinot missed 1,5 years of action because of the aggravated injury and Gaudu missed about a year because of the same thing. Do you still think it’s stupid to pull out Roglic?
Wtf was UAE doing at this point?? How could they not capitalise on this and immediately form a break and get going? There was only 58kms left in the stage they couldve easily taken Pog with them and closed the gap between him and Vinegaard
oof, thats an expensive bike hitting the pavement. hey patrick, i got 2nd overall in a triathlon today, are you proud of me? no need to break down my race, i was horrific on the swim. but made up for it with 2nd on the bike and 4th on the run ok?
Roglic pulling out of the tour is a really bad look and leaves the team in a difficult place . I think he’s letting his teammates down big time . Disappointed in this decision.
I'm new to cycling but can anyone explain me why Pogacar and UAE didn't try to form a breakaway when they knew about Vingegaard his crash and him beeing like 40 seconds down the road?
Firstly, they were away from the finish. Secondly, it was a flat stage. Thirdly, despite being 2.22 behind, he still is the major GC contender, which means no one except his team (which miss some riders) would work for his break. Considering these three reasons, he wouldn't be able to create a time gap that worths the effot he would have wasted. Sooner or later, Jonas would catch up with the peloton, and so would peloton Pogi's break. Even more, all these effort could have provided advantage for Ineos.
Roglič figured that since nobody on Jumbo fell in a week, something was gonna happen today and just noped out of there.
lol hahahaha
Nice one 😄
I think betting sites should have a pool on what's going to be next year's allez opi omi or hay bale for Jumbo
I think that if he keeps riding in france in the future he will be hit by meteorite sooner or later
A little shoutout to a sick Mørkøv that didnt make the timelimit.
Christian Prudhomme even stayed at the finishline to greet Mørkøv, thanking him for honoring TdF by fighting and finishing the stage.
Yeah gonna miss him too ..he just adds so much flavour to those sprints
He wasn't sick at all, it was the heat that got him.
@@darkiee69 Heatstroke I think
we waited for him in the last climb that was so long and he had a very bad face
@JET MECH They did in the ITV4 highlights.
I think its time for WvA to forget about breakaways and green. He already won green, he doesnt need anymore points. But he needs to save every bit of energy to help Jonas win yellow.
He is doing that by controlling the breakaways
@@connorsimpson2997 That wasn’t what he did today!!!
@@denmark2680 That was exactly what he did today. He was in a break BEFORE the crashes and came back into the peloton when the damage was clear.
He has been pacing for TJV every single stage now. I mean, in what previous TdF have you ever seen the green jersey pacing in mountain stages while the white jersey tries to attack yellow?
Just enjoy it man.
I think it's time that people would actually appreciate the massive work WvA is doing the last 3 years for his team, instead of critisizing him all the time.
@@l.d.t.6327 for me he is the beste rider in the world. So far he is THE rider of the TdF 2022 and the only person on earth who is able to do what he does (win stages and green, be in almost every break, pace for JV) And i only gave my opinion what i think JV and WvA should do. With only 2 other riders to help JV he should no longer get in breaks or sprint for points. Bring home yellow and green.
Seeing two TJV guys abandon today hurts but it really might open up the third week now. Maybe Ineos can start a raid on the coming stages and really spice things up.
This is worth repeating: "Maybe Ineos can start a raid on the coming stages and really spice things up."
Nah mate! Ineos can’t do s#%! They are are just there for the rides!! Easy rides or a victory in a breakaway stages like PidCock did!
@@tojoqueiroz2717 -Considering how Jumbo baited Tadej into chasing Roglic on Stage 11, INEOS could absolutely do the same with Yates constantly attacking to get up the road while G just sits on their wheel and doesn’t help.
The issue is getting Yates to commit to basically sacrificing his race for Geraint and I don’t think that will happen by the time they get to the Pyrenees
@@unicornmaster2737 yeah could be! But not gonna happen … Thomas and Yates are really good dudes! But at this point they are just trying for podium! Both of them do not have legs to chase or surpass Poggie O Vinny! Allas, Vinny going to increase more time on Poggie! Watch .. Poggie is really showing signs of tiredness.. He been wasted energy since week one! Besides Rogla falls and Vinny mechanics problem he didn’t do much.. Just won a stage and nothing else! Said that, I really don’t think Yates has wood to put some fire!
There is definitely going to be fireworks on the next 3 stages.
The ENTIRE Jumbo team needs to go with WVA to cyclocross season because there's no way this is all luck. It's like a team of Geraint Thomases
🤣🤣so true tbh. I think every pro rider should at least give CX a shot. Doesn’t matter if you come 20th or last, you will learn how to handle a bike.
@@getrekt7772 yes mate, its not ski jumping season is it, ffs
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Yup, Pidcock will also be an amazing rider in the future. I mean, he's good now, but he will be even better in 2 years or so
Actually this would be a great idea. They fall - a lot - and Wout usually stays upright.
I'm wondering why no one seems to talk about Philipsen's bike throw - also in previous stages and different races he seems to be the most commited, throwing it to mere perfection and further than any competitor!
Yeah , he always holds it like 5 seconds after the line if he doesn't win
Bike throws are the most uselss thing. Quite literally slows the rider down. In other words the most perfect bike throw is doing it after crossing the line.
@@harrismazari5484 I don't think you understand how they work.
@@pifko87 Yeah no. I am a physics phd student (final year) and saw a video of baseball players diving and running in a long time ago which actually motivated me study of bike throws consdering i am a cylcing fan).
Yes bike throws will help you if the speed of the whole unit (person+bike) is the same for both the bike thrower and the one pedalling through. This help comes in the form of moving the bike forward when you move your body back because of centre of gravity changing. But that isn't the case and as soon as you stop pedalling you start losing speed because of resistance (both caused by air and road). In other words any advantage gained by the throw is quickly eaten away.
Literally above 95% of bike throws have resulted in worse time in my study. Not to mention if there is a slight headwind then a bike throw is even worse.
But i am sure you know more than me. So i will drop it and tell my supervisor pifko87 already knows our work is useless
@@harrismazari5484 are you suggesting that your research contradicts everything the worlds experts in sprinting know about bike throws? That the teams, with all of their research into the marginalest of gains have ju at got it wrong about how to execute the final, and most important, seconds of a race?
If Roglic pulled out, you know he was in a bad way. Makes his efforts over last few days even more spectacular.
@@andersnielsen6044 Has two broken vertebrae in his back, bud.
Good thing Roglic quit, he 99.99% would have crashed today (would have been next to teammates who crashed)
Is he going back for other stages?
@@justinapelo6575 ur not allowed to do that, you have to complete every stage within a certain time to move on to the next stage
@@andyolsen4517 oh so he's really out now, man that's unfortunate.
That's not how reality works
so excited for 'Pedal to Survive' to launch!
'Pedal to Survive' -- I'm sure it will be just as accurate 🙄. May be good for cycling though.
@@jonathancano6387 drive to survive led to F1s highest viewership numbers in recent history. However F1 is readily avaible on major networks
Great to see all the humor back. Love the fact that you include all the jokes.
Amazing spot of the Netflix camera in the car. Eagle eyes 👌
Enjoy the Rest day Men...thanks for your ability and Courage in this Great Race. Viva La Tour. Hopefully Jumbo Visma can re-group, settle down and Jonas can keep the Yellow into Paris. Smart tactics will win, for Jonas.
Long climbes, high heat, and Poggi using his matches now, it just plays the card into the hands of a very strong Jonas in the Pyrenees even this was a bad day. Hopefully the crash will have no impact. One thing is for sure the two of them are a level above the rest. They will dominante stage races in the years to come. Thanks for the show boys 😎👍
4:21 that’s a man digging deep! You love to see it!
Love these videos. Thank you!!!!!!
I really like what Trek did at the final climb. Too bad for them, that Philipsen was too good at the finish.
well, if Philipsen wasn't there, Wout would have won. It seems Trek just can't win a sprint this tour.
@@MDP1702 Mads did all the hard work and he started he’s sprint to early the other two could use him as a lead out rider!
@@denmark2680 Isn't that just something that happens in a sprint. Go to early and you are fucked if you aren't clearly the strongest, go too late and you can't get over in time.
Which work did Mads do more than the other 2?
Imagine if like Van Aert crashes out or something and has to retire the Tour and Pogacar wins the green yersey. That would be surreal
Yes, I've said that too before. I think they need to change the scoring system. Unreal that there are so many points on mountaintop finishes.
If Pog doesn't crack on Granon, he's one WvA crash away from sweeping the 4 jerseys (because climber's competition has been a joke so far, it seems teams are not interested in it at all)
If Wout crashes in the next few stages, Green jersey is going to be the least of JV’s worries, they’re going to lose both jerseys
With 2 more flat sprints (likely) coming, Philipsen likely will finish 2nd in the classification since he's now only 6 points from 2nd. And he definitely also can contest the coming intermediate sprints if he wants to (and really should do that).
@@MrRhino4U There are 20 on mountain top finishes, that is the same as in the intermediate sprints.
And for mountain jersey Vingegaard is better position than Pogacar and with no double points for mountain top finishes and other riders still likely to go hunt points (Geschke, Powless, Ciccone, ...), I don't really see Pogacar taking the mountain jersey in the end.
Painfully, Benjamin experiences in real time the true meaning of: A Raging Peloton!
Excellent Summary.. Thanks!
Wout with the classic "my radio didnt work", while Jonas is fighting in the peloton
After all the work wout has put in for vingegaard some ppl still feel the need ti criticize.
@@koopalibrary Yes, of course. Jumbo Visma can win the tour de france but Wout goes in all these dumb breaks.
@@HolgerDanske874 wout was given free reign today, even so he was the one babysitting vingegaard once he came back to the peloton after the crash. Rest of jumbo was too tired. He was the one who kept vingegaard in contention during roubaix stage. He was only one who had the legs to go into a break when pogacar was still in yellow to put pressure on uae, he was the one sent ahead to help vingegaard before the final mountain to pace in between the mountains, on the stage he took time on pogacar, he set the pace leading up to the final climb yesterday and so on. You all should be grateful wout is part of jumbo and not uae. Cause pogacar would be winning this easily if wout was on the other side. Vinegaard would have lost 2 minutes on the roubaix stage alone.
@@koopalibrary No, not really. Horner will explain why. th-cam.com/video/NGHSP1beFqk/w-d-xo.html
@@koopalibrary You can not seriously say that Wout being in a 3 man break is smart!!?? He should stay in the frigging peloton and conserve energy and sprint like hell in the end. He even got second, but who knows, he might have won if not the matches he burned by wasting energy in the break.
"Babysitting" a yellow jersey in the Tour de France! I bet you would'nt put it like that if it was your favorite rider who wore it!! The green jersey is worth £21,500 and the yellow jersey is 20 times as valuable £430.000 when they hit the podium in Paris. The yellow jersey is not something you gamble with in any way! Ask any rider or DS or even a level intelligent cycling fan!
Philipsen's move into the corner was straight fire 🔥🔥🔥
Primoz going to win the vuelta for the 4th time a row, I can definitly understand that decition, but typical jumbo misfortune that right after Primoz DNS kruijswijk DNF and Jonas + Thijs crash :(
Btw insane job by Laporte in the last 10k how he kept jonas in front
going for a questionable vuelta win, while having a yellow jersey in TdF does not make sense... not least when you a resting day tomorrow.
sure Roglich decision to drop and focus on Vuelta.. really looks bad now that with Kruszwick dnf.
this is exactly what Jumbo wanted.. a significant lead on champ Pogacar in TdF
but then again.. Jonas has been the one that has to clear when Pogacar made the moves, and was even all alone at AlpedHuez while POgacar had Majka, and again yesterday.. Jonas all alone at the finish when Pogacar had 2 or 3 helpers.
so Jonas need to do as he have done sofar.. stay on the bike and show he is the strongest rider... but its these transport stages where he really needs some protection.
@@JAKOB1977 pretty sure Primoz wouldn‘t be the biggest help anyway as he said his back hurts with every pedalstroke
If Pogacar doesn’t win TdF he will go to Vuelta. Then what?
@@JAKOB1977 i think the team just decided his help probably wasn't needed anymore. They don't need rolling attacks of him an JV cause they are already in yellow. The best primoz could offer was 1-2 pulls in the mountains so since they didnt lose anyone else until today they probably just decided it wasn't worth risking his injuries to potentiality get worse
Primoz, Hindley, S. Yates, Pogi? Vuelta could be a cracker! If only we could have Bernal back to healthy too.
What a day....this is good news for Pogacar...TJV will not be as strong in the mountains anymore...Vingegaard can be isolated...Team Ineos now the strongest team..guaranteed War in the last mountain stages...love it!!
Totally agree with your analysis.
Vingegaard has been isolated over and over in the mountains.
the big move he made.. it was Jonas alone with Pogacar and here Pogacar had a helper that tried to close Jonas attack and then noticed Pogacar dropped and Jumbo early attacks, that day looked kind of failed at that early point at the final climb.
and again at the AlpedHuez.. Jonas was also alone when Pogacar was on revenge and he even had Majka to help.
and again yesterday.. Jonas all alone with Pogacar had 2 or 3 helpers at the final climb.
so Jonas been alone, pretty much all the final climbs.
Its the early stages where Jumbo have been strong.
but Jonas do look like he is the strongest climber.. just as he did last year TdF, but its the transport stages and the early part of the stages and closing gap and not get stress by teamplay from UAE and other.. its here he needs riders to protect and surround him and its here Roglic had a role to play..
Ineos maybe the strongest team, Vingegaard is still the strongest climber.
@@kgarg92 true but If he can be isolated inbetween mountains they can attack him like TJV did to Pogacar.....
@@pauljansen1137 Ever heard of WvA? It's that green guy. Good luck with that.
Hoping that Geraint will make a move if he has the legs, but almost sure Vinny can still succeed despite a disastrous stage.
It’d be make the race so much more exciting if Geraint Thomas would attack. I have a feeling though, that at this point he’s more concerned with staying on the podium than trying something bold, failing, and losing his third place. If there’s any hope of seeing fireworks from Pogacar in the final week, Ineos needs to play ball and start attacking Jonas.
@@osfan25 Yeah, listening to his interviews the last few days, hes been all but saying it outright, that hes riding for podium and hoping, he might get lucky and 1 or both of the others crack.
@@osfan25 Yes I agree. Once they get back into the mountains maybe, just maybe Geraint will have a go. He's in great form and certainly capable of holding his own. We will have to wait and see. But whatever happens it's been a superb TDF right from the beginning and more excitement awaits us all.
I really like the sprint they were moving a bit but everyone played fair games and the best won today btw. 4:20 just cracked me up to good
Yeah, what was he trying o achieve riding like that? 😆
Funny,..Mads P was asked on danish TV2 why he didn’t close Phillipsen completely and Mads answered he dont wanna be that kinda guy and that it would still only have made him 2nd which he dont care for :o)
I wish more riders would respect each other like this.
@@nielshaug30 All respect for Pedersen, but this is not how it went: Pedersen closed it for Philipsen because that's the professional way to prevent somebody from overtaking: you allow just enough space to (theoretically) pass between Pedersen and the barriers, but most sprinters don't risk it.
Pedersen thought he did enough to hinder Philipsen and not get DSQ'd, so when he saw WvA coming at his right, he tried to hinder WvA as well. In the end he couldn't hinder both at the same time.
G is the dark horse in this race, he's not burnt as many matches and Ineos has real fire power.
The dude is just trying to keep up. He recognises superhumans when they are
Today his secret french twin B was awesome
People thinking G will do anything remotely resembling an attack are delirious. He's the most defensive rider of the whole peloton.
01:54 Did UCI ban the special and very practical gilet that is made to carry bidons? It was everywhere some time ago but disappeared completely.
Rider safety carrying extra bottles is unsafe as the riders may remain to hydrated
Well deserved Jasper !
Jonas' gold glasses are DOPE!!
It’d be great if you could do a TdF crash analysis video, maybe Jumbo Visma can find out why their riders keep on crashing
Oof, riding in the sun... in that heat. ☀️🥵
Had Quickstep brought Mark Cavendish along its hard to see how it would have compromised what they have achieved so far in the race, and maybe it would have given another possible option on some of these stages where Jakobsen is not managing to get into the sprint. Since the first few days of the race the team has not been very visible at the sharp end.
The team has had a very poor race so far but I don't think having Cav would have made a difference until this stage
At Quickstep Morkov is the main factor for sprint wins. And he hasnt had the best TDF (also because of sickness). Doesnt matter who he leads out.
All Cavendish cared about for this year was to set the record. If they did not intend to go to TDF with him, they shouldn't have spent one year of his career. He is even stronger than he was last year and would win at least as much as Fabio has done. After the Stage 2, all that Quickstep talked about was what a good team they selected. Now, they are not saying a single word. On the other hand, I am happy that Cav is not here with QS as they would make him the scapegoat of their disastrous performance.
@@EgeBerkGonul 100% accurate comment. They bragged about building the best team for the tour then disappeared.
This tour isn't for sprinters, wouldn't have been for Cav.
I honestly don’t think that much will change for Jonas. He looks to be by far the strongest ride when it goes up. No one has been able to make a dent in him. The TdF will be decided on Thursday with the Hautacam stage, which is a stage that fits Jonas really really well. How does Pogacar think he can get these 2 minutes and 22 seconds? He has tried on the flat and it didn’t work. He has tried when it went up but Jonas just sat effortlessly in his wheel, and UAE isn’t strong enough to do a “Jumbo Visma” kinda strategy to exhaust Jonas.
What’s the plan for Pogacar?
Lion spotted. Thanks 😊
Oh Sagan actually in there! I predict him for the Champs de Elisa final race. : -) I said it here first!
I would love to see him win on the last sprint, but he has been a level below the rest of the main sprinters since day one. It would be cool, but I think highly improbable.
It was great to see Sagan get 4th today!
Van aert almost had it Mr. Consistent
I mean he got it. Second that is, for like the 10th time.
@@lolzold4 hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa . . so true, it's funny
What a stage and what a day for Jumbo Visma. I feel there will be more drama in week 3
Announcers said there were 10 bottles in the jersey. Good team effort.
It's so sad when the action is at the back.
Does anyone understand why Van Aert went into the early break? With hindsight, did it make the difference in the sprint and cost him the win?
I would say, why not! On French TV their hypothesis was: TJV gave him the impression he could do what he wanted, to thank him for the massive work he's doing for the team every day.
Didn't think it cost him. Was 4 hours earlier! Think they expected a bigger break!
Probably didn't cost him the sprint. I think he just wants to get into the break often just in case it's a stronger break that can go to the finish, but he ends up in some doomed situations.
Likely hoped for a bigger break and possibly took some pressure of his team in the break fight, which didn't even happen today because he got in 🤣
No. Van Aert mentioned in a clip he had been given the green light to try for a break. When it was obvious it wasn't working well he either asked to or was ordered to give up. Don't think it made a difference.
I think the camera in TJV's car is for the documentary they're going to realease next year, just like they did this jear for TdF 21'. Unleeeeeess - there's talk about a Netflix series about TJV which I haven't heard about.
Storm clouds gathering for Jonas.
New microphone?!
6:38 With quads like those, no wonder Philipsen won the sprint!
I saw jumbo camera guys under the col du granon few days back so it should be possible that they are filming something
What was the point of wout going in the early break?
What happened to Jakobsen in the past week? I haven't seen him or his name anywhere.
Wout's comms were also down while he was in the breakaway
Since last two rest days we were promised a video and didn't get it, does that mean we will get one tomorrow now that you say you won't do it? 😉
Seeing so many Jumbo forfeit.. do you guys think it’s too selfish for Van Aert to ensure the green shirt, when you got the yellow jersey so late in the tour, or should he be opportunistic and go for the individual performance?
Stage 15: Dash and Crash
Go Meintjies!!
Did the whole jumbo team hit the deck today?
I'm surprised that Mads didn't get penalized for deviating from his line.
Can't remember many/any examples of sprinters being penalized for deviating from lines this year. As usual UCI not focusing on safety
You'll only get penalized when the other guy is on the way to the hospital in a helicopter.
Wouldn't WVA have won this sprint had Mads not made such a significant deviation?
Where are his numbers on his back?
Que pasó con el canal en español?
Is WVA the best team mate, or the worst?
Why didn’t pogacar attack?
The JV wolf pack is thinning out. It’s not over until it’s over
Can someone explain what "heavy roads" means?
With these temperatures the asfalt melts a bit.
@@tj.alling5640 can also mean that instead of smooth tarmac, which offers little rolling resistance, the roads are surfaced with blue metal (small stones) embedded into the tarmac, which increases the rolling resistance (and noise), regardless of temperature. Also known as "dead roads".
Did that protest lead to one of the crashes? If so it makes you angry about how selfish those protesters are really being by endangering riders in this way.
Luckily it did not
yes. Some guys in the peloton thought it would be neutralized and started to brake, causing chaos and the Kruiswijk crash.
The camera in the Jumbo car is for their own documentary.
i dont watch this sport too often (only the big events) so i want to ask you guys if that behavement of pedersen at the end was normal. for an outsider he seemed to not give wout the chance to sprint in his line
Im biased cause i like Pedersen a lot, so take what i say with a grain of salt.
You can see Philipsen have contact with Pedersen from his left side as he tries to move past and to make sure he doesn't force Philipsen to the barrier he steers to the right more than he probably should have. It definably hurt Wouts sprint, but I think Philipsen was faster than both regardless.
@@frederikthorup6785 ok ty i was wondering because i was hoping for a van aert win but had no clue if my anger was even right
If you want to win a sprint, expect to elbow fight and wheel fight
He deviated badly from his line (probably not intentional imo) and may have been sanctioned but the general policy at the UCI seems to be that sprinters can only be sanctioned when there is a crash.
Chow,.....and tHank you!
On Belgian television they said Skuijns had 12 bottles stuffed behind his shirt
Pogacar just doesnt seem to have any teammates anymore when it really matters
WVA is a tactical nightmare. What is he thinking?
My Red Bull helm needs a camera attention.
Last doomed breakaway he entered he said "There seemed to be a lot of interest in getting into the break". I think he just goes hoping that there is a stronger breakaway than there is.
@@yumyumhungry : which makes no sense either : even much stronger breaks have no chances against a motivated peloton. Or has he not watched the last 30 editions of the race ?
Massive lead out by Stuyven, but he should have closed the door on the left
Pogi is going for all the jerseys 👀
Understandable Roglic didn't start, has to
Think of his sore back/Vuelta.
Uaes Mikkel bjerg and Hirshi look done
For, still equel. Despite extended timelimit
Michael Mørkøv didnt make IT. Over an
Hour behind. Jacob Fuglsang broke a rib
In his Back. Doubtfull og he can continues
After Monday. Nothing decided yet. Going
To be a battle of best recovery for the riders
Hope Nobody has Covid tomorrow😜🔝❤️
Is this a poem?
What’s with the protesters? What do they want?
If you think you have "waggle" check 4:20
Why didn't Pogacar run for his life once Vingegaard fell down?
Because that's very unsportsmanlike and would have lost him a lot of friends and respect in the peloton (not to mention the cycling world in general). You don't want to make enemies in the peloton, there's lots of ways riders and teams can make your life hell.
interesting how pederson went both ways there. sprinting eh? sheesh...
Pederson had a god awful sprint imho.. not in terms of speed, it was okay, but those lines were wack
Yeah, he clearly should have done like a proper sprinter and forced Philipsen into the barrier..
Groenevegan rocking the aero helmet all day in 40° heat and not even getting to contest the sprint 😬😬
why wasn't Pederson relegated? because there wasn't a crash? the UCI needs to enforce the rules all the time or don't. Mads clearly deviated and affected Wout. The same as Wout did do Sagan but wasn't relegated either
He moved to the right to not force Philipsen on his left into the barriers. This was how Jakobsen had the terrible crash in Poland.
It happens all the time that the sprinters are drifting to one side or the other - what usually brings punishment is when you abruptly change your course. Go back to one of the early stages where Sagan is pointing fingers at Van Aert for doing the same thing, but more egregiously.
Thank Pedersen for slowing down van Aert
Pedersen should have been relegated for that sprint. Wout Van Aert easily takes the stage if he isnt blocked at the end.
WvA clearly the strongest rider in the peloton. He will not win yellow but he does everything else on elite level
Absurd sprint from Mads haha trying to bin 2 riders
A bit off topic but has Bradley Wiggens been the target of cancel culture after his comments about the protest in the Tour?
What about mountain bike wc in Andorra worth a mention on the podcast.
7 bottles!
This just in: starting TDF 2023, there will be a jersey for the unluckiest rider. Race officials are choosing a color scheme, even as we write this!
Crash 10 points, technical 6 points (with bike swap) / 4 points (without bike swap), get blocked because of a crash or something else 2 points. Jury can give extra points for very unlikely and strange unlucky things.
@@Kiwifreak32 illness, fans punching,
@@Kiwifreak32 Finally a jersey Roglic will be able to win ;) (Now Rogla's fans will beat me down in the comments...)
@@Kiwifreak32 Struck by lightning and mauled by cow are both rumored to be around 90 points.
Being Pinot, Roglic or Thomas gives you a 50 points head start.
For all the betters out there - I put $0.30 on pogacar to win the entire Tour de France before this stage just to see what would happen and cashed out for $0.35 after the stage 👀 sportbooks not liking the odds for vingegaard anymore or I would have never been allowed my ‘investment’ plus some a few cents back
Pogacar odds definitely went up but Vingegaard is still largely the favourite to win. 2min20s is a lot, and he can probably bleed 1 min 30 in the mountain stages and have a nice buffer for the TT.
@@clementdenis4212 This is actually the initial Tour de France I am watching, so I am very interested in the outcome. 2:22 doesn't seem like too long knowing how long it takes myself to bike a mile at the gym but im sure for these guys thats ages, especially with the limited amount of stages so I am inclined to agree with you. It is tough to bet against Pogacar knowing he is the defending champ and Vingegaard will struggle without Jumbo help
Why pogacar is not crash 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Who's your prediction for Lanterne Rouge this year?
Seems like Caleb Ewan is in the hunt.
1:52 when a wild water melon is domestiquated from lingering traces of drugs from the previous TDF doping era: Genetically Modified Food
😂
its gg, vingegaard's tour
People need to stop crying about WvA and TJV. He doesn't need to babysit Vingegard. Without WvA he would be out of the tour already. Or do you want him to be there so he can pzut the chain back on for the baby?!
Today was the day JV lost the tour
I really don't understand the roglic abandonment. He's made it through to stage 14, if he was that bad he'd have abandoned a stage or two after the crash. Really happy for Philipsen, his interview after the stage was nice, started tearing up a bit, always gets me!
If Roglic abandoned after his crash they could never have broken Pogi in the mountains. He was a superb teammate and used his closeness on GC to bait Pogacar perfectly when he probably knew he could not compete for GC anymore.
What sort of logic is that? You believe there's NO combination of things that can happen to the body that would render this an understandable abandonment?
Its seems its mainly down to Vuelta and then some minor hurt from early chrash, but a rest day tomorrow it really did not made any sense to dnf..and sure Kryszwick crash and dnf really made Roglic decision look bad... this is TdF and against Pogacar where Jonas seems to be the strongest. a chance of lifetime for Jumbo.
Do you remember what FDJ did to Pinot in 2019 and Gaudu in 2020? They had them ride hurt and it fucked up their bodies long term. Pinot missed 1,5 years of action because of the aggravated injury and Gaudu missed about a year because of the same thing. Do you still think it’s stupid to pull out Roglic?
@@mathiasnielsen408 (what fucked up Pinot was his falls at the 2020 Dauphiné and Tour, not the 2019 wound. But overwise I agree with you)
Wtf was UAE doing at this point?? How could they not capitalise on this and immediately form a break and get going? There was only 58kms left in the stage they couldve easily taken Pog with them and closed the gap between him and Vinegaard
I wonder if anyone is feeling silly for leaving MC out of The Tour?
oof, thats an expensive bike hitting the pavement. hey patrick, i got 2nd overall in a triathlon today, are you proud of me? no need to break down my race, i was horrific on the swim. but made up for it with 2nd on the bike and 4th on the run ok?
Roglic pulling out of the tour is a really bad look and leaves the team in a difficult place . I think he’s letting his teammates down big time . Disappointed in this decision.
Did that guy crash and injure himself because of another protest? Getting sick of seeing these protests everywhere!!!
Protests are a proud part of the French culture. Also the protests did not cause the crash.
I'm new to cycling but can anyone explain me why Pogacar and UAE didn't try to form a breakaway when they knew about Vingegaard his crash and him beeing like 40 seconds down the road?
Firstly, they were away from the finish. Secondly, it was a flat stage. Thirdly, despite being 2.22 behind, he still is the major GC contender, which means no one except his team (which miss some riders) would work for his break. Considering these three reasons, he wouldn't be able to create a time gap that worths the effot he would have wasted. Sooner or later, Jonas would catch up with the peloton, and so would peloton Pogi's break. Even more, all these effort could have provided advantage for Ineos.
Yeah all what he said but even more so - it's very unsporting and it's an unwritten rule , just not done 👍
Wout should marshal Jonas and nothing else now.... but they must think he's gonna lose.