Ok Lets Talk Science. Top lyricism is about profound simplicity. Mark Twain once said "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter." He knew that composing simple structures is far more difficult than a complicated one. Simplicity is the language of the universe. Occam's Razor states that "The simplest explanation is the correct one." Einsteins E=MC2 equation is only an inch long, yet it explains laws found in our entire universe. Profound simplicity. I consider Bob Marley to be the best lyricist because he could convey profound, heartfelt ideas in such a simple, universally understood form. It's all about simplicity...Profound simplicity.
The world is a much more complex place than from what it seems, and from what is even being taught in science classes - they teach models that do have practical use but aren't exactly the most accurate representation of reality. 85% of people (or 67% according to normal distribution in statistics) will prefer a more simpler world and entertainment solutions against getting to know the more complicated truth. So the lazyiness in people drives the majority of market demand - it creates the taste. Its not because simplicity is a supreme way of communication that it wins, but because its a quicker way that demands less effort on the receiving end. However, normal (average) people are rarely the ones who change the world or introduce something that adds new (at first complex) value.
You don't have to go to such extraordinary lengths, to tell us that you're a simpleton. Just because you can't come up with something complex, sophisticated and well thought out. That doesn't mean, there aren't those that think with a higher level of intellect and creativity.
@@OG_VERBZ It's more complex than just finding random big ass words to rhyme. Yes it's one syllable. The artistry is in the meter and maintaining the rhyme pattern while holding that same step over and entire verse. I wouldn't do no shit like that in a battle. But it does make for a good song. It's actually concept used in English poetry.
How about the fact that Cassidy not only has Em songs memorized like that, but songs from over 20 years ago. Didn't realize he was a fan of Em like that.
I've been rhyming about as long as Cassidy, and the part of the science he's missing is called "word bending". You can make words rhyme that don't traditionally rhyme by the way you enunciate them. This is part of the science. Em does it all the time.
@@CrookitLetta never said red originated. & you can tell who's influenced by who, if you listen closely enough to styles. Em was a mix of Redman, Masta Ace & Pace Wun. Especially early him. Vs his Infinite self
Cassidy is highly intelligent and in an elite class of lyrical masters. His description of rap articulated in such a brilliant fashion that you understand why he is top mc of all time built.
Prodigy painted pictures with mix of slang and moments of not rhyming. I can see tons of flaws in Mobb Deeps Apostles Warning. Mispronounced words. Not quite rhyming. Still one of the best verses of all time
You can see he has a passion for giving trash examples lmao. This is clearly CLOUT hustling, if he had a passion for lyricism his examples of lyricism critique wouldn't be from portions of songs 20 years ago lool. You want to see passion for lyricism? Watch Knox hill he breaks down lyricism from a lot of eminems discography and proves Cass wrong. Cass on the otherhand makes this whole video tryna discredit eminem entirely based on portions of a few tracks from 20 years ago completely ignoring the context from the songs of those few examples as well as the rest of eminems music as if those few examples were all eminem was capable of.
@@michaeltye2359hater are you kidding? Em ain't even on the same level as Cassidy. Cassidy is one of the god level rappers.. Ems great but he ain't on his, Jadakiss, Nas, Redmans.. there a whole list of people better then em
This is awesome watching brothers deconstructing a rhyme scheme. Emceeing is a really complex art form where the individual can manipulate the concept of timing with the use of words but still maintain rhythm whilst doing so. HipHop is a gift from God, for real!
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It’s crazy bc my friends and I have always broke down rap like this! Even when this hit we were kids but talking bout this. We used to break down Jay Z, 50, and Ems flows daily
You have to listen to what he is saying not his delivery... I totally get it. Dudes are forcing the rhyme pattern on us to make us get it. Cass is saying that the best do it with ease. It's not forced it comes naturally
He just talking. He has never produced anything close to even Em's new stuff objectively. Em is able to do metaphors punchlines and stories at a high speed without even raising his voice. Dont believe the hype
One thing he's leaving out is annunciation..Em himself has said he will bend words that don't normally rhyme to fit the pattern. And rappers been doing that for a minute
Absolutely right. Being a lyricist is like playing basketball. You learn the basics so you can learn to improvise and advance to new levels. Everything don't have to stay the same way that the sugar hill gang did it. It's just suppose to progress as time go along
@@ogbobbyt2159 dude rappers been doing that since the beginning. Every badass rapper you can think of has done it,it's only cheating when it pertains to Em cause he's white
Rakim was able to master the style along with Big L. Cassidy is right about the science, it’s meticulously constructed for the direct consumer that consumes it. Cassidy droppin jewels ppl will get later..Savage
@@rarerock5020 it could if the ppl determining the battles felt the science was a necessary ingredient to acknowledge the winner. Knowledge changes Perception
Cassidy needs to let other people talk though, he seems impossible to have a conversation with. If you just talk and don’t listen to other people, you won’t learn anything.
Dudes all know these classic eminem lyrics by heart. Furthermore, not only did they memorize the lyrics, but they actually studied the rhyme schemes and multi-syllable rhyme patterns. This ought to tell you they're serious about their craft as a lyricist. Big up for this video. This format of a living room and great artists / friends discussing real shit, is really refreshing. Keep it up, I subscribed.
its normal, listening to whaker artists is a kind of jerking. cass starts the day, puts on feminem song , thinks, i did this stuff with 13 only better and gets a high
@@dukedollas4848 Depends on what you appreciate, musically, creatively I would say yes. Technically I would say now and since that is whats being analyzed it makes sense.
@@zetsutsuletsu2034 sure that’s the version of Eminem he likes but if you choose to critique his artistic ability (regardless of his personal preference) then dissect his lyrics with more relevance to the topic which essentially was about the science and if he did that to Eminem’s recent material he couldn’t say it was basic or simple and people are putting too much on his talent bc he has incredibly rare talent to rhyme 10 and 12 syllable patterns and bars which has been showcased several times, that’s all I’m saying.
@@dukedollas4848 although I agree, your statement is subjective, whether you personally enjoy his lyrical display from back then or now he has continued to raised the bar for himself. Any version of his rapping style has been at a high level in my opinion
Cass is right tho. The GREATS Don't just rhyme words that have no relation other than they rhyme. They put it in STORY FORM and paint a perfect picture for us!
Fax although it doesn’t have to be a story it’s still dope. Idk why but I feel this should be the deciding factor of who is the BEST rapper ever. Syllables that match, rhyme schemes that last or are put together, wordplay, cadence, flow, etc.. all while making sense.
@@JBeams-nz7xk he said em don't be writing multiple syllable. He says rhyming just the end word is just rhyming one syllable. U gotta rhyme all the words , equally in each like for it to be multiple syllablic. N the example he gave in rapping multi is exactly how HE RAPS. N u can hear it sound corny
I like how daylyt just listening in alot of these videos he just let ppl talk soak up what ever game comes from it even if he's better than that person
I’ve always had respect for Cassidy. It’s great to see someone who knows their craft and not easily impressed with the norm. You can see these brothers really love the science of spitting.
He contradicts himself many times. But for starters. He isn't really breaking down shit. He is breaking into words not sounds. Ple rhymes with se; nty rhymes with nty. When you break it down into sounds and understand why it sounds like it rhymes that's when you overstand. If it sounds like it rhymes it rhymes. Rather it is a perfect rhyme or not.. this is an example of fake critical thinking. It's simply talking in circles
I don't all the way agree w his multi syllable rules, but i def appreciate him saying "i rap like i talk"...it has to come across natural. And more than anything i respect that he even thinks about it this deeply..
It's also what terribly cripples him. You cant just take one element and ignore the rest which is what hes basically saying. Hes saying fuck cadences, flows, creative dexterity, creativity period. Like who want to rap how they talk ? Lol why rap at all then. Just talk lmao
Cassidy is definitively right by saying actual multi-syllable rhymes (no bending words and "sound-like"-rhymes) while using your everyday vocabulary/sentences is the hardest art-form however how many times can you do that without becoming generic/stale as fuck?
Cassidy was very clear and precised in the way he engaged, answered, questioned and responded within this conversation, master class and debate. Cadence, word play, precision, timing and delivery matters round by round in battles, on album, concert ECT. Match, Calibrate and Shift , Grow in your style and method and in levels
Cassidy really a student of Hiip Hop, say what you wanna.. I learned how to count bars from Cassidy from The Hustler Vs The Problem Battle off 'I'm a Hustler' Album.
@@burdman1333 because it doesn't sound natural and music is supposed to sound good. Doing something just to say you did it is pointless. Em is forced and corny.
Only someone who doesnt rap at all would ignore all the stuff Em does and say its corny. Civilans need to stop commenting on things they dont understand
Cass is speaking on fundamentals; not advanced mechanics. Eminem, Big Pun and King Los execute at the most advanced levels. That's *INCLUDING* the fundamentals.
What he's doing is teaching the other battle rapper how to put something other than stunts in the show so battle rap can get back to bars not just a whole lot of cartoon ish and the audience as well
Good! Thank you Cassidy for breaking down the formula so rappers can study the fundamentals and create a their own style after mastering the basics. I'm glad someone finally did it.
I love these types of conversations. It's a true science and art. I'd love to speak with Cassidy about the development of punchline rap, which I believed originated with Lord Finesse then evolved through Big L forward.
Before Lord Finesse and Big L it was Rakim and Big Daddy Kane, mainly the latter. Also the very first “punchline rap” was spit by Kool Moe Dee at the infamous battle with Busy Bee, that’s where the actual rap basically originated from, before that battle rap was just a party music based around rhymes like “Throw your hands in the air and wave em like you just don’t care”.
Matth wasn't hearing what Cassidy was saying when it comes to the complexity of language in writing. Cassidy didn't maybe articulate it well or was abit to metaphoric in his explanation but the best writers (i.e. Jay Z) are able to remain lyrically and figuratively dense whilst still being relatable with their use of language and slang so that anyone listening can both appreciate the difficulty of the lyrical architecture and hear the bars and relate as they pertain to the listeners lives. Cassidy is actually lowkey an English professor for even knowing those concepts and linking them through rap, which is actually just writing at the highest level.
Exactly. Its one thing to be a technician, but when you can still be technical but translate it to its purest simplest form while still maintaining high technicality. thats pretty genius. Thats why biggie was so nasty.
The "science" he explained makes sense. The ability to be complicated with rapping in a conversational style is harder than the super lyrical raps that isn't in a common conversation style
He missed so many parts of the science. Like as far as concepts, flow patterns, metaphors, allegory, double entendres. The ability to convey meaning. I mean Jesus he only focused on one aspect of rapping. An easy one to master at that
@@charlesrobinson6284 This. This new gen of rappers have already surpassed Cassidy’s lyrical ability with something called “bars” aka the use of double entendre to make it even more complicated
Lupe fiasco can put together those miracle lyricals with a content that you actually have to listen to the words and not just be amazed by rhyme scheme..
It takes skill to explain things in simplified form. I’ve heard that you’ve mastered communication when you’re able to explain it to a child. Cass did that well. Great video!
big l and cass imo probably the cleanest with the big rhyme schemes. like he said- sounds natural like he's just shooting the shit with u. im biased though. cass always been in my top 3
I used to struggle writing papers in college due to the number of page requirements. Like if I had to write a 10 page paper as an assignment, I usually could only muster out 7 or 8 pages. My English professor used to let me slide on that because he said that I was "succinct." I was able to say a whole lot in only a few words.. Dude was in love with my writing style, lol. He wanted me to switch my major to English, but I was like, "Nah, I'm good." I like writing, but not enough to make it a living.
You are deceived. Break it into sounds. Ple rhymes with se; nty rhymes with nty. The only reason seventy isn't a perfect rhyme to plenty is because seventy has an extra syllable. The thing is unless you emphasis it, when you rap it it fits into the same syllablic structure. So if you break it down in that same syllablic structure you made it fit into when you said it. It will sound off until you truly break down the sounds. This isnt great, it's bullshit. He is missing so much, you can't break things down half way and stop.
Notice how Cass is quoting all early Eminem joints when in fact, Eminem is at his technical peak now, not back then. His music was better back then but recently he really focuses on syllable schemes in the past 5-10 years. Dude needs to chill his ego and let others talk.
@@c-bulletstheblackjesus4230 Em was more witty in his prime but he realized that he can't be as funny or witty as he was when he was younger so he switched to technical punchlines.
Anyone who says Em is washed I know for a fact listens for 7 seconds and turns it off, “science” wise he is the best he’s ever been, guy has already done it all times 10, he just having fun with shit nowadays, rapping to him is like us drinking water, swear to god it’s that natural
If we applied Cass’ concept of the “science” of rhyming to other forms of artistic expression you wouldn’t have great Jazz musicians who don’t follow the “rules” of chord progressions or great painters who ignore the standards of what colors are supposed to go together or chefs who don’t stick to regular food and flavor profiles. Rhyming syllable for syllable - abcd, adcd, abcd is regular, but if you can put abcd and hijk in a verse but do it in such a way that I “feel” like it makes sense, that’s the artistry. If you listen to Rakim’s I Know You Got Soul, using Cassidy’s logic you would call it basic and not rhyming. Ra rhymes “red alert” and “let it work”. Does it rhyme in the literal sense? No. Does it sound dope how Rakim does it? Absolutely!
You’re absolutely right I don’t think Cass Is arguing that. That’s why he uses the Hanes example something can be good and successful but not be the scientific approach. There’s a correct way to drive a car that you are taught particular and in detail but if NASCAR drivers drove that way the sport would be dull does that mean NASCAR drivers are scientifically driving correctly?
The best in the game been doing that for years. Andre 3k for example, imo he's just out of this world when it comes to rhyming parts of syllables with other parts of syllables and still sounding natural. Its not "basic" at all.. if anything, its actually clever "The common denominator, the nigga numerator Never know who the hater, niggaz cater to your ego I'm sorry like Atari whose the cousin to Coleco. Vision Caught a Rico, back on the street like Chico. DeBarge He large and got a 'Llac in the garage Few parts here and there, I declare hard, my lawd"
You're not understanding what he saying. The problem with putting syllables together is that you're not telling a story or expressing anyting, you are literally putting syllables together because you think it's cool. He saying it's okay to put a bunch of syllables together, but the hard part is telling a story
For y’all hating on cass he literally talking the science of rapping rapping. Talk rap is what he’s talking bout. Being able to rap like you having a conversation on a beat. If you wanna know what he saying, go listen to Nipsey
I think that type of Talk Rap really came out when Jay dropped Reasonable Doubt. Niggaz was not rapping like that back then. His flow and delivery was real unique for the time. It was like he was having a conversation And then it caught on
😂 Cassidy hasn’t said anything that hasn’t already been stated by other emcees and actually has been articulated more clearly at the barbershop where Math usually has these discussions
He had me then lost me😂 I swear he said “that’s what I wanna hear” and math said “that’s your preference” and he said “no that’s just science.” Nigga thats your preference
Facts! All he was saying was his preference. There ain't no 1 science to hip-hop, it's just rhyming! Too many different ways to spit to say this one way is "The Way"!
I never understand the Eminem hate he's one of the best ever his syllable breakdown the ability to been words and make them rhyme it's crazy Em cadence flow is impeccable
I like how Cassidy breaks it down, I always liked how Cassidy can be Humble but Cocky at the same time lol. I rap and I look at rap in a technical way because I love the cyphers the battle raps, studied the formula on how people make good songs and applied it into techniques that will work with my style to appeal to most people of the music culture. I would love to meet Cassidy one day.
( From 8:21 to 9:00 ) Listen closely, He's actually rhyming Piecing it the way he's talking Displaying skills like it's nothing Shit, this dude is a wordsmith, an OG, dropping that knowledge for free Making this college elite Cassidy, be sliding these rhymes like ski
I peeped that I’m not able to understand everything or anything rather he was speaking on but I can hear the scheme as it’s said sometimes. Need to learn the format.
Its called a conversational flow. I learned that in like 05. Like a Jay Z style. Its like he's talking to you. Thats probably why Drake is #1 now. Most of his many flows are in the conversational form
This actually puts cassidys battle rap style in perspective, and why we don’t think he’s hot.. we’re trained not to lmao all explains why he thinks he’s the best.. cause according to this criteria, he might be
he made good points, but 90% of the speech was like me sayin' that you don't need to score in basketball to be a good player, so that I can justify why I don't score fuckin' shots claiming I'm still good lol
@@nomecognome8737 nah I hear you, I think it just gives me insight into his mindset when going into writing.. and i think you mean you don’t need to be a scorer to be a great player.. which is true.. that’s more along the lines of what he’s saying. You can be Jason Kidd.. Magic.. Stockton. And still be a great player. It’s all an art. The point is, I understand what he means when he says he writes like he’s talking.. he wouldn’t write some bars that nobody would talk like. I could respect that
Busta Rhymes is the best at what he does. I could listen to him over and over. I feel he's very underrated and is top 10 of all time. Maybe top 6. Still putting out crazy ass music too.
Average listeners don't value greatness. If I had to critic , I think busta lacks in substance, for example if I ask you what does he talk about? Hard for me to answer. He brags of skill but I think eventually these artists end up stuck in a loop.
If you were to judge emcees purely off their longevity and discography album for album I think Busta is without a doubt top 10 of all time but I think technical side he no where near the level of black thought Kool g rap etc
my issue with busta (he may have fixed this issue with more modern releases) was always a lack of content.. just rapping saying random things all the time
@@cloudair4154 random things? If you say so. lol I follow exactly what he's saying and it's not just random. That's not even the style of rap he grew up on. Eminem isn't doing tracks with him if he's just a rapper that spits about nothing. I think just about every really good rapper has a track with Busta.
How come we dont have more videos of artists discussing the craft of putting rhymes together. I swear on everything it's like a secret society. This is gold. Rare. Shout out to Cassidy and Math Hoffa. Rare..
“The place is my house, I might as well erase my face with white out, because y’all can see me like Mase’s eyebrows”🔥🔥🔥💯Em has the word rhyme patterns of anybody.
Cassidy is a legend…. But he always talks to big up himself and kind of downplay everybody else… He’s stuck in battle rap mode 24/7… Everyone has their own opinion
Even if u disregard opinion and really wanna talk the science, Cass ain't even the dopest at what he says makes u great. Goodz spanked him with all them same fundamentals.
What makes many of the rappers great from the 90’s and early 2000’s, is you do what works for you. It’s called art, and true MC’s articulate their comfort zone. No one can tell you what you should do with your art, it’s called creativity. Not one person has a formula, that works for everybody. You work your lane. When you true to that, you are an artist that’s, authentic.
Their should be science to it at the same time. You cant rap too simple & have too many rhymes that sound like Dr Seuss type rhymes, Even rappers now you think aren’t lyrical, use science in their rap & there’s a certain structure to it where there’s syllables & things. Lil Durk most popular song now is “Ah Ah Ah” and uses two word syllables: “I been slow since” “But we got back on they ass, I bet they know this” “And on bro, I’m speaking facts, this ain’t no diss” “Keep the police out my business, we don’t post shit” “Trigger Happy, I be with Zoo & them and we on four six” “They like, Durk, his ass a singer, he won’t smoke shit” “You can believe whatever you want, I got your folks hit” Words like slow since, know this, no diss, post shit, four six, smoke shit and folks hit are two word syllables. Lil Baby on the Pop Smoke song “For the Night” had a bunch of rhymes before the end rhyme. On Nicki Minaj “Seeing Green” she uses an 8 word syllable scheme where she’s rhyming D&G, wallet, money and papa & adding so many rhymes that match the words with the previous line that didn’t rhyme. Guys like Durk, Lil Baby and Nicki can rap but some purist might not think they all that. A lot of fans are ignorant regarding rap & the science to it & the rhyming. A lot of fans & media don’t understand the concept of how hard it is to fit a lot of rhymes & syllables and incorporate that content or conversational rap to it. Finding the science of creativity in rap is hard to understand but when you understand it you appreciate it
A lot of people in the comments not comprehending nun lmao it’s sad, but what your talking about is being a ARTIST!!!(which I totally agree with you ) but he’s talking about being a MC/Lyricist . It’s a BIG difference. It’s 2023 if you don’t know that by now , then you forever lost
Yes. Its poetry with sounds. You can't ignore the sounds factor. He is. Even in poetry if you recite it, the same rules apply. It is matching the sounds together. Something doesn't have to be a "perfect" rhyme to rhyme. Ple rhymes with se nty rhymes with nty when you break down the sounds you start to understand why it sounds like it rhymes. The only reason it sounded off when he was "breaking it down" was because he wasn't breaking ut down all the way. He was half assing it. Seventy has an extra syllable then plenty; that doesn't mean it doesn't rhyme. These are stylistic choices not objective bases to stand on. That's why lyricism comes in many different forms, it's not that any are better they're just different with different; for lack of a better word, parameters.
yeah but what sticks to mind is the sounds u can be the most technical rapper but if no single soul remember your song whats the point.🤣 believe me youll remember this line than the second one. 1."ill come back to kill you with machete and pistols" 2."Creepin on the block,unprepared ill attack,front to back,you will feel my attack,like tupac in 96,youll drop befo i say hit em up".
He picked the easy 2 syllable raps to make his point. Pick some song where em's really technical like "stay wide awake" or something like "book of rhymes" , people be talking shit , smh.
@@shreekanthajith6783 I only liked the bar with the motorcycle/Ghost Rider (Ghost Writer) line and the second verse of Book of Rhymes when the beat switches. That’s when Em goes in. Other than that, most of the song is lame… Usually, when I want to hear straight bars, I listen to Wayne. And Stay Wide Awake is a classic. I also like Baby and Evil Twin. His rhyme schemes and punchlines are insane.
People don't understand just how great he is... When I try to explain the need to understand just how God tier he is it's either that or the Problem vs the Hustla.. like who can make not only 2 different styles and context to make a verse battle..make it a fking jam and make the lyrics so fierce and killer. That man just in a league of his own
Cass just likes to hear himself talk. He was talking over every point they was trying to make. He only let them ask him questions, but when they tried to make their own points, he cut them off
Agreed..its like just shut up and rhyme, if u nice you nice. I highly doubt must hip hop legend just challenged themselves, how many ppl really worried about the science. If you base shit off science hip hop would be very cookie cutter like it is these days. Its really simple, know your history push yourself to be the best you. I used to be a cass fan but hip hop is older than he is I don't understand why he like to be himself seem like he is the origin of hip hop
@@kennyjones1348 he doesn't know what he talking about. You dont need to be a rap scholar to know what rhyming multi-syllables are. Yes, the better you can do that, the better you are as a lyricist. But that isn't the only criteria for how hip hop SHOULD be. And the he said that Eminem doesn't do that, referring to old lyrics where Em used a 2 word rhyme setup. But even still, whether Cassidy us right or not, still doesn't take away from my point that he didnt let anyone else get a word in
Cassidy Is really a fan of Eminem but being really honest, A true emcee expands their wordplay and literature. Note to self: do not SMOKE with Cassidy! Cuz Will fucc up ya buzz on shit you don’t wanna think about but think about bcuz he had you in deep thought lol 😂 Salute to Cass Hoffa Daylyt
That's how I feel the type of person to have a good discussion with would b Cassidy. He pretty interesting and intelligent. Only Cass has respect enuff to break down a em bar...
@@almodo88 I did that same in the comments on music to be murder by when it posted on TH-cam. But I love a good conversation like this. 👍 new artist that haven't seen the 90s need to be taught music history and behind the science of it. Add it up???? Why u think English math science and history go together... its the simple basics of every system in the universe.
I’d just be sipping on the Hennessy texting my ladies, cause me and cass would be arguing but we right and saying the same shit, but he ain’t listening, cass is right but just keeps reiterating himself, lord...
How him them a course on anything when he not winning.. they nigga talking himself on circles..lol..he stopped making sense ..he basically saying he wants people to rap a way he can't rap but saying eminem doesn't when he does it 90% of the time..Cass need to go home a write a hit and not tell niggas how to rap when he can't put 1 hot together
Thank you, Cassidy! Hemingway was counting syllables, too. He wrote in short, tight sentences, staccato bursts versus Fitzgerald, who wrote in long flowery prose.
Em's verse on renegade got a 5 and 6 syllables rhyme schemes, he be doing that shit for the longest and especially the relapse era and after.. Edit: To all the hip hop heads go listen to Em - groundhog day !
Was thinking the same thing. It's funny how he didn't use renegade cause it would fit his criteria too much. Insanely complicated multisyllabic rhyme scheme that sounds just like normal conversation.
Facts "shoe fits I'll wear it, truth grin and bear it, lucrative lyrics, youth in hysterics, music to steer it, views in his marriage, huge interference, you shouldn't hear it" Thats a 6 bar scheme with 5 syllables rhyming while also making sense, not counting the 2 syllable inner rhymes he used. On paper they might not be "perfect" rhymes but his pronunciation makes them rhyme, he is possibly the best at bending words.
@@rhymeasylum2969 how is he wrong? You just don’t understand what he’s saying! The shit he’s saying is absolutely right! How about you just say you don’t agree! dude is just saying rhyme and piece together everything the way you talk on the regular. Piecing together words that you wouldn’t normally use in your everyday life is goofy. How is he wrong? 😂😂
@@Jusderrick Those are arbitrary rules NO rappers has to follow, get off the internet clown. If you were really listening Cass contradicted himself about what you just said later in the video. Maybe you need better comprehension skills
He's one of my favorites too but they were speaking about technicality in rap and even tho he can be technical that's not the main skill he's known for.
why is 3k so highly regarded? He never dropped an album, he only had those first two Outkast albums that were hip hop, the rest was pop music... please give me one song that would qualify him in this convo... Honestly, I really want to understand... for what its worth southern playalistic was top 5 hip hops albums to me and 3k carried it. But I never heard one song from him after that where he actually rapped.
Yo I was SO INTERESTED in this 17 minute video that I forgot that it wasn't a full episode lol. And then TH-cam ads is so annoying for times like this! I wanted more of what Cassidy was saying towards the end too! I never knew Cass was this interesting lol. Wow.
Eminem>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>daylyt>>>>>>cassidy tbh. Eminem has study the art of writing and rap literally knows how to bend like sounding words to make you catch the double or triple meanings in a bar. Not only that eminem makes you wanna learn and truly listen to his raps and to make it like a puzzle while listening and thats why every song he makes literally always catching something new when you listen to it over and over through out ya life listening to his rap vs abc rappers like cass who wanna shorting his craft and make it easy to understand and hear. Na you gotta elevator the bars like eminem said in elevator lol why he so paid and mfer talking about him and he not talking about ypu. Peep the difference he makes raps while you literally sitting on the couch talking about him
It would sadly just never go down for any amount of money. Cass would. Em wouldn't. Not because Em would be scared but for that, "just incase senerio"... you know
Ok Lets Talk Science. Top lyricism is about profound simplicity. Mark Twain once said "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter." He knew that composing simple structures is far more difficult than a complicated one. Simplicity is the language of the universe. Occam's Razor states that "The simplest explanation is the correct one." Einsteins E=MC2 equation is only an inch long, yet it explains laws found in our entire universe. Profound simplicity. I consider Bob Marley to be the best lyricist because he could convey profound, heartfelt ideas in such a simple, universally understood form. It's all about simplicity...Profound simplicity.
The world is a much more complex place than from what it seems, and from what is even being taught in science classes - they teach models that do have practical use but aren't exactly the most accurate representation of reality. 85% of people (or 67% according to normal distribution in statistics) will prefer a more simpler world and entertainment solutions against getting to know the more complicated truth. So the lazyiness in people drives the majority of market demand - it creates the taste. Its not because simplicity is a supreme way of communication that it wins, but because its a quicker way that demands less effort on the receiving end. However, normal (average) people are rarely the ones who change the world or introduce something that adds new (at first complex) value.
Missed your amazing video يا امير
Just let me lay back and kick some ol' simplistic pimp shit
On Slim's shit and start riots like Limp Bizkit - Dr. Dre
You don't have to go to such extraordinary lengths, to tell us that you're a simpleton. Just because you can't come up with something complex, sophisticated and well thought out. That doesn't mean, there aren't those that think with a higher level of intellect and creativity.
Prince yet Again you strike with thought provoking thoughts
On the The Way I Am, Eminem used a Shakespearean methodology called Iambic Pentameter. It's cadence + internal rhyme pattern
Deep! Share the vid!
but still one syllable
@@OG_VERBZ It's more complex than just finding random big ass words to rhyme. Yes it's one syllable. The artistry is in the meter and maintaining the rhyme pattern while holding that same step over and entire verse. I wouldn't do no shit like that in a battle. But it does make for a good song. It's actually concept used in English poetry.
It was Geoffrey Chaucer who did it first but yeah Shakespeare used the hell out of it too
@@inyokutse 🤝🏾
Cassidy should have been a lawyer, the judge would just say not guilty to a murderer just to get Cassidy to shut up. FACTS LOL 😆🤣😂
Cassidy is trash
😂😂😂😂😂😂
For real, he don't let anyone respond or question what he's saying.
😂😂😂
He could have been a lawyer. He went to the second smartest high school in philly (central).
That’s why Biggie is so great, rhymes sounded like he was having a conversation with you. Super simple but so complex.
Correct ! Biggie was my last guy
thats why i always said biggie was above alot of "lyricists" cuz he still kept his swag and didnt sound like he was trying too hard to be lyrical
BIG - Rakim- G Rap top three in this regard
I love Biggie but MF Doom is the rhyme king 👑
L.L. COOL J ,Rakim , Busta Rhymes, KRS 1, some of the best
How about the fact that Cassidy not only has Em songs memorized like that, but songs from over 20 years ago. Didn't realize he was a fan of Em like that.
U dont need to be a die hard fan to know the lyrics that he recited. Both those short verses were like a jingle. Easy to remember.
@@Gunit867899 they were way longer than a jingle and once again, over 20 years ago.
@@Gunit867899 a Jingle?? #sassy
Not a fan of m just recognizes the patterns in rap music at a higher level like someone like eminem
Dont have to be a fan to study your contemporary
I love when rappers talk about rap. And not just other rappers
Listening to people talk about their passions is always dope
It shows the art behind this music that many take for granted.
FACTS!!!
Right
That's how it used to be pre-Deathrow, Biggie-Pac beef era.
I've been rhyming about as long as Cassidy, and the part of the science he's missing is called "word bending". You can make words rhyme that don't traditionally rhyme by the way you enunciate them. This is part of the science. Em does it all the time.
yea but it kinda contradicts his opinion that you have to rap like you talk
@@buhahaja222 You don't have to talk rap. That's just what he prefers and what he thinks is more difficult and impressive
Eminem got that Technique from Redman!!!!
@@MastaInfernoThat's interesting. That technique was used long before Redman came out. How do you know that's where Em got it from?
@@CrookitLetta never said red originated. & you can tell who's influenced by who, if you listen closely enough to styles. Em was a mix of Redman, Masta Ace & Pace Wun. Especially early him. Vs his Infinite self
Cassidy is highly intelligent and in an elite class of lyrical masters. His description of rap articulated in such a brilliant fashion that you understand why he is top mc of all time built.
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Prodigy did follow a part of that science Prodigy rapped like he was having a natural conversation with you every verse he ever rapped
He talking the whole science
Very true.
Agreed
Fr almost like a big brotha😢
Prodigy painted pictures with mix of slang and moments of not rhyming. I can see tons of flaws in Mobb Deeps Apostles Warning. Mispronounced words. Not quite rhyming. Still one of the best verses of all time
Cassidy is not just a battle rapper.
He's a battle talker too 🤣
Loll
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Lol. Yeah. He destroyed Math in the talk battle.
Underrated comment LOL
You can tell Cassidy really has a passion for lyricism. Rap is truly his craft & not just a hustle.
You can see he has a passion for giving trash examples lmao. This is clearly CLOUT hustling, if he had a passion for lyricism his examples of lyricism critique wouldn't be from portions of songs 20 years ago lool. You want to see passion for lyricism? Watch Knox hill he breaks down lyricism from a lot of eminems discography and proves Cass wrong. Cass on the otherhand makes this whole video tryna discredit eminem entirely based on portions of a few tracks from 20 years ago completely ignoring the context from the songs of those few examples as well as the rest of eminems music as if those few examples were all eminem was capable of.
@@nasty8975 exactlym he's talking out of his ass.
@@nasty8975 bro the 20years ago em is the one he likes
He's passionate about being a hater
@@michaeltye2359hater are you kidding? Em ain't even on the same level as Cassidy. Cassidy is one of the god level rappers.. Ems great but he ain't on his, Jadakiss, Nas, Redmans.. there a whole list of people better then em
This is awesome watching brothers deconstructing a rhyme scheme. Emceeing is a really complex art form where the individual can manipulate the concept of timing with the use of words but still maintain rhythm whilst doing so. HipHop is a gift from God, for real!
i would love to hear jay nas and the greats have a convo about this like this.
This comment sounds like an intro to a Wu-tang album
@@jahworx The RZA: 'Write that down! Write that down!"
The creativity of b.people is amazing, i know.
BIIIG FACTS
I’m just glad to see cats talking like this about rap…that’s passion
Do you love music that makes you feel good inside and POSITIVE?
I hope you enjoy this song I wrote that I truly believe will inspire the whole world 1 day. Thanks alot!
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Passion with a flawed logic doesn't count
@@yawdizzarr296 Do you love music that makes you feel good inside and POSITIVE?
I hope you enjoy this song I wrote that I truly believe will inspire the whole world 1 day. Thanks alot 🙂
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Fr I love this
It’s crazy bc my friends and I have always broke down rap like this! Even when this hit we were kids but talking bout this. We used to break down Jay Z, 50, and Ems flows daily
You have to listen to what he is saying not his delivery... I totally get it. Dudes are forcing the rhyme pattern on us to make us get it. Cass is saying that the best do it with ease. It's not forced it comes naturally
He just talking. He has never produced anything close to even Em's new stuff objectively. Em is able to do metaphors punchlines and stories at a high speed without even raising his voice. Dont believe the hype
@@DoubleN517 😂😂😂😂😂 the hype lied to you
@@DoubleN517 Eminem raises his voice all the time. Idk what you mean
@@DoubleN517 you missed the whole point he was making & you’re out your mind if you don’t think cass pen game is nasty
@@DoozFam you can't correct somebody if you don't have the answers
One thing he's leaving out is annunciation..Em himself has said he will bend words that don't normally rhyme to fit the pattern. And rappers been doing that for a minute
Absolutely right. Being a lyricist is like playing basketball. You learn the basics so you can learn to improvise and advance to new levels. Everything don't have to stay the same way that the sugar hill gang did it. It's just suppose to progress as time go along
aka cheating lol 🤣
@@ogbobbyt2159 theres no such thing as cheating in rap unless some else writes for you
@@ogbobbyt2159 dude rappers been doing that since the beginning. Every badass rapper you can think of has done it,it's only cheating when it pertains to Em cause he's white
@@ogbobbyt2159 rules are made to be broken, but you should know them before you start breaking them lol
Cassidy needs to have a show where he Breaks down all rhyme patterns and rhythms and talk about why some are great an some are not
yeah!
Rakim was able to master the style along with Big L. Cassidy is right about the science, it’s meticulously constructed for the direct consumer that consumes it. Cassidy droppin jewels ppl will get later..Savage
yeah, but who started that science? cassidy thinks that science determines who wins a battle..
@@rarerock5020 it could if the ppl determining the battles felt the science was a necessary ingredient to acknowledge the winner. Knowledge changes Perception
@@aundrellrobinson that's why cassidy is pushing that style on everyone because that's what he specializes in. he not slick 😆.
That's why Rakim is considered the GOD MC
Respect Cassidy he a hip hop head he know his ish
Cassidy needs to let other people talk though, he seems impossible to have a conversation with. If you just talk and don’t listen to other people, you won’t learn anything.
And that's why he hasn't progressed as far as he should be in battle rap. You can argue Jag is advancing faster than him, even tho he got 30'd by Will
He is trying to teach but math seems trying to interrupt the whole class
He the one doing the teaching and getting interrupted
They high bro
@@willl4219 exactly
Cass is a rap nerd. That's dope
Dudes all know these classic eminem lyrics by heart. Furthermore, not only did they memorize the lyrics, but they actually studied the rhyme schemes and multi-syllable rhyme patterns. This ought to tell you they're serious about their craft as a lyricist. Big up for this video. This format of a living room and great artists / friends discussing real shit, is really refreshing. Keep it up, I subscribed.
its normal, listening to whaker artists is a kind of jerking. cass starts the day, puts on feminem song , thinks, i did this stuff with 13 only better and gets a high
He used examples from like 20 years ago for Eminem, he is on a whole other level with the amount of bars and syllables.
he was saying that's the emeniem he likes.
Lol that was Em at his best back then not now
@@dukedollas4848 Depends on what you appreciate, musically, creatively I would say yes. Technically I would say now and since that is whats being analyzed it makes sense.
@@zetsutsuletsu2034 sure that’s the version of Eminem he likes but if you choose to critique his artistic ability (regardless of his personal preference) then dissect his lyrics with more relevance to the topic which essentially was about the science and if he did that to Eminem’s recent material he couldn’t say it was basic or simple and people are putting too much on his talent bc he has incredibly rare talent to rhyme 10 and 12 syllable patterns and bars which has been showcased several times, that’s all I’m saying.
@@dukedollas4848 although I agree, your statement is subjective, whether you personally enjoy his lyrical display from back then or now he has continued to raised the bar for himself. Any version of his rapping style has been at a high level in my opinion
Cass is right tho. The GREATS Don't just rhyme words that have no relation other than they rhyme. They put it in STORY FORM and paint a perfect picture for us!
FACTS!
Exactly.. Em's 2nd verse on 'Stay wide awake' is a perfect example
Fax although it doesn’t have to be a story it’s still dope.
Idk why but I feel this should be the deciding factor of who is the BEST rapper ever.
Syllables that match, rhyme schemes that last or are put together, wordplay, cadence, flow, etc.. all while making sense.
@@JBeams-nz7xk he said em don't be writing multiple syllable. He says rhyming just the end word is just rhyming one syllable. U gotta rhyme all the words , equally in each like for it to be multiple syllablic. N the example he gave in rapping multi is exactly how HE RAPS. N u can hear it sound corny
Either story form or conceptual form
I like how daylyt just listening in alot of these videos he just let ppl talk soak up what ever game comes from it even if he's better than that person
Smart man
I’ve always had respect for Cassidy. It’s great to see someone who knows their craft and not easily impressed with the norm. You can see these brothers really love the science of spitting.
He contradicts himself many times. But for starters. He isn't really breaking down shit. He is breaking into words not sounds. Ple rhymes with se; nty rhymes with nty. When you break it down into sounds and understand why it sounds like it rhymes that's when you overstand. If it sounds like it rhymes it rhymes. Rather it is a perfect rhyme or not.. this is an example of fake critical thinking. It's simply talking in circles
Its more jealousy than someone who knows their craft
@@geraldkilganmen4910 slanted rhyming. Yeah. I don't know if cass said if he was against that are not.
@@2Muchpjp Not even. Slanted rhyming is based on your cadence and manipulating words to fit eachother. Which is implied yet not limited to this point.
I don't all the way agree w his multi syllable rules, but i def appreciate him saying "i rap like i talk"...it has to come across natural. And more than anything i respect that he even thinks about it this deeply..
To get into different pockets and different flows, it can't always come off natural though.
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@@DeeboComing exactly. That’s why it comes off like cass versatility is generic
I love when they talk about technical rap and Canibus name comes up. He's one of the most technical rappers EVER!
It's also what terribly cripples him. You cant just take one element and ignore the rest which is what hes basically saying. Hes saying fuck cadences, flows, creative dexterity, creativity period. Like who want to rap how they talk ? Lol why rap at all then. Just talk lmao
Cass is so high he eventually started to debate himself.
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lol
😅😂🤣😅😂🤣
😭😭😭😭😭 probably how he had " the Problem vs the Hustla " track
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Cassidy is definitively right by saying actual multi-syllable rhymes (no bending words and "sound-like"-rhymes) while using your everyday vocabulary/sentences is the hardest art-form however how many times can you do that without becoming generic/stale as fuck?
Eminem is in my opinion one of the best to do it. Followed by Biggie and RA
@@chris22186 I guess hov is just a nobody
@@youngboulvince5899 Who? 🤷🏿♂️
So i gotta use small word dats niccas heard b4 to be the best rapper?...sumbdy call smack, im ready!
@@chris22186 is that a general statement or is it in context with what OP said? Of its the latter, Biggie aint multisyllable
Cassidy was very clear and precised in the way he engaged, answered, questioned and responded within this conversation, master class and debate. Cadence, word play, precision, timing and delivery matters round by round in battles, on album, concert ECT. Match, Calibrate and Shift , Grow in your style and method and in levels
Cass spent thirty minutes literally describing poetry lmao.
That’s what rap is
@@luxjuriousjay8318 you don’t fuckin say 😂
Cuz all the slow mfs don’t understand shit so cass has to make multiple examples and they still look confused smh
@@luxjuriousjay8318 yessir. Rhyme and Poetry.
@@tahjvines7608 rhythm and poetry,,
RIP PUN!! He is a great example of a guy that talks like cass is saying but yet lifts ya with sick lyricism!! Facts
💯& the father of it - Big L
Great examples. I fuck with Papoose for that reason, idk about yall
Fabulous is the best at what he’s saying. The nigga rhymes to the tee and he pieces up all his syllables.
@@Ahmedali-xp6je PUN would make Fab Quit! Come on bro 🤧
@@thatpart2543 definitely agree i was just using fab for a more recent example
Cassidy really a student of Hiip Hop, say what you wanna.. I learned how to count bars from Cassidy from The Hustler Vs The Problem Battle off 'I'm a Hustler' Album.
Em's infinite album shows his syllable game and its crazy.
yeah crazy whak. R.A.I.D. has more rhymes than all of feminems discography
How did that go . Face it Eminem wasn't ish till Dr Dre produced him.
That's right Cass it's a difference between Forced sounding rhymes and natural sounding rhymes.
@@burdman1333 because it doesn't sound natural and music is supposed to sound good. Doing something just to say you did it is pointless. Em is forced and corny.
Only someone who doesnt rap at all would ignore all the stuff Em does and say its corny. Civilans need to stop commenting on things they dont understand
@@Rainhands22 I don’t think you got what he said
@@Rebound9000 I got what he said I just disagree.
Cass is speaking on fundamentals; not advanced mechanics. Eminem, Big Pun and King Los execute at the most advanced levels. That's *INCLUDING* the fundamentals.
What he's doing is teaching the other battle rapper how to put something other than stunts in the show so battle rap can get back to bars not just a whole lot of cartoon ish and the audience as well
Good! Thank you Cassidy for breaking down the formula so rappers can study the fundamentals and create a their own style after mastering the basics. I'm glad someone finally did it.
Black thought
Cambatta
Big el
You can tell Cassidy loves hip hop!😅😅😅😅 he gets passionate when talking about Bars…
I love these types of conversations. It's a true science and art. I'd love to speak with Cassidy about the development of punchline rap, which I believed originated with Lord Finesse then evolved through Big L forward.
Before Lord Finesse and Big L it was Rakim and Big Daddy Kane, mainly the latter.
Also the very first “punchline rap” was spit by Kool Moe Dee at the infamous battle with Busy Bee, that’s where the actual rap basically originated from, before that battle rap was just a party music based around rhymes like “Throw your hands in the air and wave em like you just don’t care”.
So we just gonna act like “Some niggas got Styles but could never be Kiss.” ain’t the ILLEST line out this whole conversation?
Damn that shit hard!
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Right.
CASS been the man since freeway said PUT ON A BEAT
I thought that was a real bar. Not some shit they just made up. That shit was hard. Pause
Somebody tell will smith to give jada a kiss for me.
Someone play Cas Em's 2nd verse on Stay Wide Awake where he keeps the same rhyme scheme for the whole verse AND HE RHYMES WHOLE SENTENCES!
He's done that shit on many verses Cass just hating
No he didnt
@@henryrichardson4274 yes he did
He ain't hating he just explaining
Cass said em got to different sounds listen to the interview not just what you want to hear
He's talking about slant rhymes & true rhymes... shout to Lyricology 101 ✊🏿😂
I love hearing people put high level concepts in laymans terms about subjects they're passionate about.
Matth wasn't hearing what Cassidy was saying when it comes to the complexity of language in writing.
Cassidy didn't maybe articulate it well or was abit to metaphoric in his explanation but the best writers (i.e. Jay Z) are able to remain lyrically and figuratively dense whilst still being relatable with their use of language and slang so that anyone listening can both appreciate the difficulty of the lyrical architecture and hear the bars and relate as they pertain to the listeners lives.
Cassidy is actually lowkey an English professor for even knowing those concepts and linking them through rap, which is actually just writing at the highest level.
This nigga matth skipped every English class!!
Exactly. Its one thing to be a technician, but when you can still be technical but translate it to its purest simplest form while still maintaining high technicality. thats pretty genius. Thats why biggie was so nasty.
Everyone forgets Cass went to the best high-school in Philly only the top student get in
Nas is like , is probably the best example of what Cassidy is talking about here
The "science" he explained makes sense. The ability to be complicated with rapping in a conversational style is harder than the super lyrical raps that isn't in a common conversation style
I was privy to this when I heard Kanye West say I'm talking like it's just me and you.
He missed so many parts of the science. Like as far as concepts, flow patterns, metaphors, allegory, double entendres. The ability to convey meaning. I mean Jesus he only focused on one aspect of rapping. An easy one to master at that
@@charlesrobinson6284 This. This new gen of rappers have already surpassed Cassidy’s lyrical ability with something called “bars” aka the use of double entendre to make it even more complicated
Lupe fiasco can put together those miracle lyricals with a content that you actually have to listen to the words and not just be amazed by rhyme scheme..
Benny the Butcher
Em been rhyming heavy since 96 on the “infinite” album he rhymed his best on that album he was still battling then
Agreed💯💯
Infinite is such an undervalued album in my opinion. One of my all time favorites.
Em been rhyming since 88’ infinite just his first album
Facts
Eminem show is mine but i feel you.role midel is his best track when it comes to skills i think.its the perfekt rap
Cassidy simply validating his opinion as facts 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 regardless whatever you say to him in his mind “IM RIGHT ! “
I LOVE THIS: We need more of this.. brothers sitting around talking not beefing. Sharing ideology.
It takes skill to explain things in simplified form. I’ve heard that you’ve mastered communication when you’re able to explain it to a child. Cass did that well. Great video!
big l and cass imo probably the cleanest with the big rhyme schemes. like he said- sounds natural like he's just shooting the shit with u. im biased though. cass always been in my top 3
I used to struggle writing papers in college due to the number of page requirements. Like if I had to write a 10 page paper as an assignment, I usually could only muster out 7 or 8 pages. My English professor used to let me slide on that because he said that I was "succinct." I was able to say a whole lot in only a few words.. Dude was in love with my writing style, lol. He wanted me to switch my major to English, but I was like, "Nah, I'm good." I like writing, but not enough to make it a living.
This isn't hard to explain.
Plus dude tried saying seventy and plenty don't ryme. The e sound in both is basic rhyme
@@mamba4817 it is hard to explain, BUT most people have hard times understanding simple concepts, HENCE why music exists in general
Cass needed this platform to share his views. All he said was so on point and I wish he had more time to get his message across.
This is great! This should be included in every rap master class! Cadence and sentence structure....wow....preserve this shit!
Dont worry Melique. I am here for you.
You are deceived. Break it into sounds. Ple rhymes with se; nty rhymes with nty. The only reason seventy isn't a perfect rhyme to plenty is because seventy has an extra syllable. The thing is unless you emphasis it, when you rap it it fits into the same syllablic structure. So if you break it down in that same syllablic structure you made it fit into when you said it. It will sound off until you truly break down the sounds. This isnt great, it's bullshit. He is missing so much, you can't break things down half way and stop.
Preach!!!
Notice how Cass is quoting all early Eminem joints when in fact, Eminem is at his technical peak now, not back then.
His music was better back then but recently he really focuses on syllable schemes in the past 5-10 years.
Dude needs to chill his ego and let others talk.
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U a damn lie he was better back then.. Not makin lil wayne type lines..he been ass since 09
Uno bro wouldn’t let anyone else talk
@@c-bulletstheblackjesus4230 Em was more witty in his prime but he realized that he can't be as funny or witty as he was when he was younger so he switched to technical punchlines.
Anyone who says Em is washed I know for a fact listens for 7 seconds and turns it off, “science” wise he is the best he’s ever been, guy has already done it all times 10, he just having fun with shit nowadays, rapping to him is like us drinking water, swear to god it’s that natural
Cass is simply GENIUS......he's too much 4 Maths emotional ass😂😂😂😂😂
If we applied Cass’ concept of the “science” of rhyming to other forms of artistic expression you wouldn’t have great Jazz musicians who don’t follow the “rules” of chord progressions or great painters who ignore the standards of what colors are supposed to go together or chefs who don’t stick to regular food and flavor profiles. Rhyming syllable for syllable - abcd, adcd, abcd is regular, but if you can put abcd and hijk in a verse but do it in such a way that I “feel” like it makes sense, that’s the artistry. If you listen to Rakim’s I Know You Got Soul, using Cassidy’s logic you would call it basic and not rhyming. Ra rhymes “red alert” and “let it work”. Does it rhyme in the literal sense? No. Does it sound dope how Rakim does it? Absolutely!
You’re absolutely right I don’t think Cass Is arguing that. That’s why he uses the Hanes example something can be good and successful but not be the scientific approach. There’s a correct way to drive a car that you are taught particular and in detail but if NASCAR drivers drove that way the sport would be dull does that mean NASCAR drivers are scientifically driving correctly?
Exactly 💯
The best in the game been doing that for years. Andre 3k for example, imo he's just out of this world when it comes to rhyming parts of syllables with other parts of syllables and still sounding natural. Its not "basic" at all.. if anything, its actually clever
"The common denominator, the nigga numerator
Never know who the hater, niggaz cater to your ego
I'm sorry like Atari whose the cousin to Coleco. Vision
Caught a Rico, back on the street like Chico. DeBarge
He large and got a 'Llac in the garage
Few parts here and there, I declare hard, my lawd"
MF DOOM is a great example of lyricism a legend RIP
MF Doom is a perfect example of what Cassidy was explaining
@mindlessdrive Not really, he bends a lot of words. It's exactly how Cassidy said to not do.
Cass isn’t wrong, but he used 20 year old examples. Eminem be rhyming every syllable in whole bars 😂😂
You're not understanding what he saying. The problem with putting syllables together is that you're not telling a story or expressing anyting, you are literally putting syllables together because you think it's cool. He saying it's okay to put a bunch of syllables together, but the hard part is telling a story
@@crazymike1706 facts
@@crazymike1706 facts but Eminem is of them rhymes many syllable and is one of the best story tellers
@@kristoferrice8383 he used to be. good story telling is rare these days. its just mostly him rapping fast or screaming at us
Have you heard darkness? The entire song is a double entendre and a wild story
For y’all hating on cass he literally talking the science of rapping rapping. Talk rap is what he’s talking bout. Being able to rap like you having a conversation on a beat. If you wanna know what he saying, go listen to Nipsey
That’s why his music resonated so much with a lot of people
I think that type of Talk Rap really came out when Jay dropped Reasonable Doubt. Niggaz was not rapping like that back then. His flow and delivery was real unique for the time. It was like he was having a conversation
And then it caught on
Facts . Guru from Gangstar also mastered it in his own way .
😂 Cassidy hasn’t said anything that hasn’t already been stated by other emcees and actually has been articulated more clearly at the barbershop where Math usually has these discussions
Jigga is the father of the conversational flow
Big L was the best double syllable rhymer of all time.
Big Pun too
Double syllable rhyming not difficult at all.if ur talking 5+ syllable rhyme schemes for 8 bars.Now that's difficult
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Hex One, underground rapper does crazy rhyme schemes.. multiple syllables. Vinnie Paz from Jedi Mind Tricks is a beast too.
@@Helmuesi911 true. K rino can too
Kool G Rap
Bro has a PHD in this shit. So much respect.
He had me then lost me😂 I swear he said “that’s what I wanna hear” and math said “that’s your preference” and he said “no that’s just science.” Nigga thats your preference
Lol, true! Just like how he brought up 20yr old Em lyrics and cadence to go with his narrative.
Exactly! 😂😂 His preference
Facts! All he was saying was his preference. There ain't no 1 science to hip-hop, it's just rhyming! Too many different ways to spit to say this one way is "The Way"!
Rappers like future don’t even rap. Sound like he humming the whole time. But people still him. Guess it’s preference 😂
@@spenser6353 ....huh?!?
I’m just laughing at daylyt just sitting there, man doesn’t even have to try to be funny 😂
Lmao
😂😂
Thought I saw chief keef
Daylyt a living legend
I never understand the Eminem hate he's one of the best ever his syllable breakdown the ability to been words and make them rhyme it's crazy Em cadence flow is impeccable
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You know the answer to that
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@@tryingtochangemyways5074 Because he is White and Black rappers are insecure...while being signed to White record labels/agents/lawyers/etc.
🤔🤔 then 🤣🤣
I love the way Daylight sat and listened. That's a really student of the game. Willing to learn
I like how Cassidy breaks it down, I always liked how Cassidy can be Humble but Cocky at the same time lol. I rap and I look at rap in a technical way because I love the cyphers the battle raps, studied the formula on how people make good songs and applied it into techniques that will work with my style to appeal to most people of the music culture. I would love to meet Cassidy one day.
Y’all noticed that Cass didn’t answer when Matt asked him “how about crooked I” ?
He deadass not letting anyone talk
I dont think he even heard him
Sheesh
U notice he ask well Cass was still talking
@@thraxeadamus Cass definitely heard of crooked I.
This man caas sound like he got the whole mf WORLD figured out 😆
On god
Yeah even his homies want to disagree with him but can't be arsed with the half hour argument 😂👍
@@jpat387 idk how old you are but you CLEARLY dont pick up on sarcasm very well
@@jpat387 lol its all good bruva
I was just thinking why isn’t this dude a teacher 😂
( From 8:21 to 9:00 )
Listen closely,
He's actually rhyming
Piecing it the way he's talking
Displaying skills like it's nothing
Shit, this dude is a wordsmith,
an OG,
dropping that knowledge for free
Making this college elite
Cassidy,
be sliding these rhymes like ski
Bars
I peeped that I’m not able to understand everything or anything rather he was speaking on but I can hear the scheme as it’s said sometimes. Need to learn the format.
@@robertbarber1198 he was rhyming and breaking down science like wow
“Talk form rap” - I just learned something new today.
Its called a conversational flow. I learned that in like 05. Like a Jay Z style. Its like he's talking to you. Thats probably why Drake is #1 now. Most of his many flows are in the conversational form
@@HitmanHimmy 💯💯That makes sense. It really helped me understand why I like what I like.
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This actually puts cassidys battle rap style in perspective, and why we don’t think he’s hot.. we’re trained not to lmao all explains why he thinks he’s the best.. cause according to this criteria, he might be
Nah lol idk about his other battles but him against Goodz he was booty
he made good points, but 90% of the speech was like me sayin' that you don't need to score in basketball to be a good player, so that I can justify why I don't score fuckin' shots claiming I'm still good lol
@@nomecognome8737 nah I hear you, I think it just gives me insight into his mindset when going into writing.. and i think you mean you don’t need to be a scorer to be a great player.. which is true.. that’s more along the lines of what he’s saying. You can be Jason Kidd.. Magic.. Stockton. And still be a great player. It’s all an art. The point is, I understand what he means when he says he writes like he’s talking.. he wouldn’t write some bars that nobody would talk like. I could respect that
8Th -11th
He's boring 😴
Busta Rhymes is the best at what he does. I could listen to him over and over. I feel he's very underrated and is top 10 of all time. Maybe top 6. Still putting out crazy ass music too.
Average listeners don't value greatness. If I had to critic , I think busta lacks in substance, for example if I ask you what does he talk about?
Hard for me to answer. He brags of skill but I think eventually these artists end up stuck in a loop.
If you were to judge emcees purely off their longevity and discography album for album I think Busta is without a doubt top 10 of all time but I think technical side he no where near the level of black thought Kool g rap etc
Buster is a LEGEND
my issue with busta (he may have fixed this issue with more modern releases) was always a lack of content.. just rapping saying random things all the time
@@cloudair4154 random things? If you say so. lol I follow exactly what he's saying and it's not just random. That's not even the style of rap he grew up on. Eminem isn't doing tracks with him if he's just a rapper that spits about nothing. I think just about every really good rapper has a track with Busta.
Great conversation about lyricism. This is good for the culture.
How come we dont have more videos of artists discussing the craft of putting rhymes together. I swear on everything it's like a secret society. This is gold. Rare. Shout out to Cassidy and Math Hoffa. Rare..
He quoted old Eminem.
2021 Eminem hitting 10 syllable rhymes
I promise you💯💯💯💯
Facts!
Sometimes 14.
Ion know sound like Cassidy just a BIG Em fan.. he knew two many bars word for word.
Plus he’s not really cause he rapping lyrics from 20 years ago.
Everyone heard those eminem lyrics
It's not that .. cass a student and a competitor .. Em was on top and cass was chilling but he love rap too much not to study wats hot at the time.
I actually understand what he’s working to explain, that was a really good watch 🙏🏾
“The place is my house, I might as well erase my face with white out, because y’all can see me like Mase’s eyebrows”🔥🔥🔥💯Em has the word rhyme patterns of anybody.
Fr ❗❗
Cass could battle himself and claim he BODIED HIMSELF! 💯💯😂
He did 😂😂😂
He truly did. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He already did with Problem vs the Hustler
Cassidy is 100 percent on point. I'm glad to see other people so passionate about multi syllable rhyming and the science of writing
Eminem is rapping in 7-8-9 syllables in 2021 I don’t hear casa doing that
No he’s not.
Eminem is rhyming words.
The science of rhyming is cool and all, but if they're artfully saying jack shit?......give me words with substance.
Prof. Cass breaking down the Science of Word Play 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 🔥🔥🔥
Respect to Cassidy for trying to explain the nature of rap. Nas respect his the best at what Cassidy was trying to teach y'all.
nas, cassidy, krs one, ll cool j, dmx they're all in the same category
@@dassolosyndikat5113 KOOL G RAP
Daylyt skipped the science and went straight to the astrology 🤷🏼♂️😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Facts
Cassidy is a legend…. But he always talks to big up himself and kind of downplay everybody else… He’s stuck in battle rap mode 24/7… Everyone has their own opinion
I agree with you about him always in battle mode 24/7 and at the same time It’s also what I love a about him.
Even if u disregard opinion and really wanna talk the science, Cass ain't even the dopest at what he says makes u great.
Goodz spanked him with all them same fundamentals.
@@vendeezel boy stfu goodz died by unanimous decision 🤨
@@Hoodie5720 🤨
But this is cassidy and there's no one like him that's why he does that shit bro you don't get it yet
What makes many of the rappers great from the 90’s and early 2000’s, is you do what works for you. It’s called art, and true MC’s articulate their comfort zone. No one can tell you what you should do with your art, it’s called creativity. Not one person has a formula, that works for everybody. You work your lane. When you true to that, you are an artist that’s, authentic.
Facts
That's why I love DOOM
Their should be science to it at the same time. You cant rap too simple & have too many rhymes that sound like Dr Seuss type rhymes, Even rappers now you think aren’t lyrical, use science in their rap & there’s a certain structure to it where there’s syllables & things.
Lil Durk most popular song now is “Ah Ah Ah” and uses two word syllables:
“I been slow since”
“But we got back on they ass, I bet they know this”
“And on bro, I’m speaking facts, this ain’t no diss”
“Keep the police out my business, we don’t post shit”
“Trigger Happy, I be with Zoo & them and we on four six”
“They like, Durk, his ass a singer, he won’t smoke shit”
“You can believe whatever you want, I got your folks hit”
Words like slow since, know this, no diss, post shit, four six, smoke shit and folks hit are two word syllables. Lil Baby on the Pop Smoke song “For the Night” had a bunch of rhymes before the end rhyme. On Nicki Minaj “Seeing Green” she uses an 8 word syllable scheme where she’s rhyming D&G, wallet, money and papa & adding so many rhymes that match the words with the previous line that didn’t rhyme.
Guys like Durk, Lil Baby and Nicki can rap but some purist might not think they all that. A lot of fans are ignorant regarding rap & the science to it & the rhyming. A lot of fans & media don’t understand the concept of how hard it is to fit a lot of rhymes & syllables and incorporate that content or conversational rap to it. Finding the science of creativity in rap is hard to understand but when you understand it you appreciate it
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A lot of people in the comments not comprehending nun lmao it’s sad, but what your talking about is being a ARTIST!!!(which I totally agree with you ) but he’s talking about being a MC/Lyricist . It’s a BIG difference. It’s 2023 if you don’t know that by now , then you forever lost
I dont think people realize rap is literally poetry. Syllables, metaphors, similes, personification, alliteration are all apart of writing.
Yes. Its poetry with sounds. You can't ignore the sounds factor. He is. Even in poetry if you recite it, the same rules apply. It is matching the sounds together. Something doesn't have to be a "perfect" rhyme to rhyme. Ple rhymes with se nty rhymes with nty when you break down the sounds you start to understand why it sounds like it rhymes. The only reason it sounded off when he was "breaking it down" was because he wasn't breaking ut down all the way. He was half assing it. Seventy has an extra syllable then plenty; that doesn't mean it doesn't rhyme. These are stylistic choices not objective bases to stand on. That's why lyricism comes in many different forms, it's not that any are better they're just different with different; for lack of a better word, parameters.
yeah but what sticks to mind is the sounds u can be the most technical rapper but if no single soul remember your song whats the point.🤣
believe me youll remember this line than the second one.
1."ill come back to kill you with machete and pistols"
2."Creepin on the block,unprepared ill attack,front to back,you will feel my attack,like tupac in 96,youll drop befo i say hit em up".
But y’all clowned pac
Anyone using "hi my name is" to discuss Eminem's style obviously hasn't listened to his last 3 albums 🤦🏻♂️or at all the last 12 years for that matter
Infinite
He picked the easy 2 syllable raps to make his point. Pick some song where em's really technical like "stay wide awake" or something like "book of rhymes" , people be talking shit , smh.
@@shreekanthajith6783
Book of Rhymes was wack overall. I’d go with “Not Alike” or Alfred’s Theme. Stay Wide Awake was fire, though.
@@Nighhhts damn man I quite like book of rhymes tho, but yeah 2nd verse of stay wide awake is so dope.
@@shreekanthajith6783
I only liked the bar with the motorcycle/Ghost Rider (Ghost Writer) line and the second verse of Book of Rhymes when the beat switches. That’s when Em goes in. Other than that, most of the song is lame…
Usually, when I want to hear straight bars, I listen to Wayne.
And Stay Wide Awake is a classic. I also like Baby and Evil Twin. His rhyme schemes and punchlines are insane.
This interview really showed me how much of the goat Cassidy is .. you have to be at a certain level skill wise to even comprehend
Bruh he's really not. Niggas that rhyme know that he's about 50% correct.
Cass talkin out his ass....
Cass is truly a goat I’ll never forget that 10 minute freestyle
People don't understand just how great he is... When I try to explain the need to understand just how God tier he is it's either that or the Problem vs the Hustla.. like who can make not only 2 different styles and context to make a verse battle..make it a fking jam and make the lyrics so fierce and killer. That man just in a league of his own
Cass just likes to hear himself talk. He was talking over every point they was trying to make. He only let them ask him questions, but when they tried to make their own points, he cut them off
Agreed..its like just shut up and rhyme, if u nice you nice. I highly doubt must hip hop legend just challenged themselves, how many ppl really worried about the science. If you base shit off science hip hop would be very cookie cutter like it is these days. Its really simple, know your history push yourself to be the best you. I used to be a cass fan but hip hop is older than he is I don't understand why he like to be himself seem like he is the origin of hip hop
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Nah he just knows what’s he’s talking about and is obviously a student of the game
@@kennyjones1348 he doesn't know what he talking about. You dont need to be a rap scholar to know what rhyming multi-syllables are. Yes, the better you can do that, the better you are as a lyricist. But that isn't the only criteria for how hip hop SHOULD be. And the he said that Eminem doesn't do that, referring to old lyrics where Em used a 2 word rhyme setup. But even still, whether Cassidy us right or not, still doesn't take away from my point that he didnt let anyone else get a word in
And doesn’t realize that it IS his own preference. Lol
Cassidy Is really a fan of Eminem but being really honest, A true emcee expands their wordplay and literature. Note to self: do not SMOKE with Cassidy!
Cuz Will fucc up ya buzz on shit you don’t wanna think about but think about bcuz he had you in deep thought lol 😂
Salute to Cass Hoffa Daylyt
Daylyt would be a TRIP to burn with
That's how I feel the type of person to have a good discussion with would b Cassidy. He pretty interesting and intelligent. Only Cass has respect enuff to break down a em bar...
@@almodo88 I did that same in the comments on music to be murder by when it posted on TH-cam. But I love a good conversation like this. 👍 new artist that haven't seen the 90s need to be taught music history and behind the science of it. Add it up???? Why u think English math science and history go together... its the simple basics of every system in the universe.
How tf u know bozo
I’d just be sipping on the Hennessy texting my ladies, cause me and cass would be arguing but we right and saying the same shit, but he ain’t listening, cass is right but just keeps reiterating himself, lord...
Cass just gave them a business marketing course
😂
What? Lol
How him them a course on anything when he not winning.. they nigga talking himself on circles..lol..he stopped making sense ..he basically saying he wants people to rap a way he can't rap but saying eminem doesn't when he does it 90% of the time..Cass need to go home a write a hit and not tell niggas how to rap when he can't put 1 hot together
@@kareemlawson5699 you bugging jack
Thank you, Cassidy! Hemingway was counting syllables, too. He wrote in short, tight sentences, staccato bursts versus Fitzgerald, who wrote in long flowery prose.
Em's verse on renegade got a 5 and 6 syllables rhyme schemes, he be doing that shit for the longest and especially
the relapse era and after..
Edit: To all the hip hop heads go listen to Em - groundhog day !
Was thinking the same thing. It's funny how he didn't use renegade cause it would fit his criteria too much. Insanely complicated multisyllabic rhyme scheme that sounds just like normal conversation.
Facts "shoe fits I'll wear it, truth grin and bear it, lucrative lyrics, youth in hysterics, music to steer it, views in his marriage, huge interference, you shouldn't hear it"
Thats a 6 bar scheme with 5 syllables rhyming while also making sense, not counting the 2 syllable inner rhymes he used. On paper they might not be "perfect" rhymes but his pronunciation makes them rhyme, he is possibly the best at bending words.
@@eskilate7223 Cambatta is the best
@@eskilate7223 thanks for the breakdown 💯
@@pyrom3744 I feel like he is entitled, he come across as an arrogant when he said Em rhymes only the last syllable !!
Some ppl don’t like cass so they aren’t even listening to what he’s actually saying...
I hear everything he’s saying, he’s just wrong lol
@@rhymeasylum2969 how is he wrong? You just don’t understand what he’s saying! The shit he’s saying is absolutely right! How about you just say you don’t agree!
dude is just saying rhyme and piece together everything the way you talk on the regular. Piecing together words that you wouldn’t normally use in your everyday life is goofy. How is he wrong? 😂😂
@@Jusderrick Because thats just one persons opinion, there are no facts
@@Jusderrick Those are arbitrary rules NO rappers has to follow, get off the internet clown. If you were really listening Cass contradicted himself about what you just said later in the video. Maybe you need better comprehension skills
They just trying to find out what took him so long come away from that 02 rap he be spitting if he's such an expert that's all.
The fact that André 3000 didn't come up in this conversation urks me. Syllables, entandres, storytelling, with a dope ass flow.
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He's one of my favorites too but they were speaking about technicality in rap and even tho he can be technical that's not the main skill he's known for.
why is 3k so highly regarded? He never dropped an album, he only had those first two Outkast albums that were hip hop, the rest was pop music... please give me one song that would qualify him in this convo... Honestly, I really want to understand... for what its worth southern playalistic was top 5 hip hops albums to me and 3k carried it. But I never heard one song from him after that where he actually rapped.
@@goodjawn610 Andre rhyme schemes are 1 in a million if you haven’t went down that 🐇 🕳 just sad
@@YahyaDaGod give me one song to start
Yo I was SO INTERESTED in this 17 minute video that I forgot that it wasn't a full episode lol. And then TH-cam ads is so annoying for times like this! I wanted more of what Cassidy was saying towards the end too! I never knew Cass was this interesting lol. Wow.
Em just is that good with the syllables, verbs, nouns, pronouns, and adjectives yeah
not really
Man nobody listen to no damn white boy Eminem gtfoh
Hell nah his flow ain't that good
@@Bountyville424 write a verse rap it then listen to em’s and compare it
Eminem>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>daylyt>>>>>>cassidy tbh. Eminem has study the art of writing and rap literally knows how to bend like sounding words to make you catch the double or triple meanings in a bar. Not only that eminem makes you wanna learn and truly listen to his raps and to make it like a puzzle while listening and thats why every song he makes literally always catching something new when you listen to it over and over through out ya life listening to his rap vs abc rappers like cass who wanna shorting his craft and make it easy to understand and hear. Na you gotta elevator the bars like eminem said in elevator lol why he so paid and mfer talking about him and he not talking about ypu. Peep the difference he makes raps while you literally sitting on the couch talking about him
Elzhi spoke of this long ago. I'm glad true artists understand this concept of complex conversational rhyme.
I was kinda feeling it, then I was like What is Cassidy talking bout
😂😂😂😂
Sams. Some points i was agreeing but other points it just seemed like he was hating
I let channels earn they subs and than earn they bells. This video earned em both. Good content Hoff.
I AGREE WIT CASS 1000% PERCENT..
it has to rhyme we out here listening carefully..
no more wasted bars or lazy rhyme skill...
Cassidy is here breaking down syllables in an attempt to subliminally let y'all know he's NEVER lost a battle rap. Pay attention. 😐🙄🤔🤷🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Lol
He lost against arsonal
He has lost but he’s a genius
I would love to see Eminem and Cassidy battle in KOTD! Let's make this happen y'all!!
Cass would get bodied
@@mercsan117 .. and zipped up in a bag and sent back to Philly still talkin wild sh- ..
It would sadly just never go down for any amount of money. Cass would. Em wouldn't. Not because Em would be scared but for that, "just incase senerio"... you know
No one Cassidy is conversated with in this video think Cassidy has a chance with that white boy
@@mercsan117 3-0 in the first round, chill😭