If a film is shot on 16mm like Dog Soldiers or Henry, don't expect a significant resolution increase on 4k. There can be improvements with encoding and HDR of course, but I think the idea of releasing a 16mm film on 4k is to provide the best possible copy of the film. There's been several standard blu-ray's that only show small improvements over older DVD's due to source limitations, like films shot on SD cameras or from the early days of Digital Intermediates. 28 Days Later and The Celebration/Festen were shot on MiniDV cameras and filmed out on 35mm, the main improvement's those Blu-Ray's provide is higher video bitrates and uncompressed audio. Sorry for the ramble, this type of stuff interest's me.
No I completely understand when it comes to movies being shot in 16 mm and you're absolutely right you shouldn't expect too much from them. But what I do expect is to get something similar to what we got with evil dead or maniac on 4K. Both movies were shot on 16mm and still look phenomenal. Unfortunately dog soldiers on this 4K release is riddled in film dirt and there's also no HDR. And that's why I have it at number two. Henry I honestly think what the accomplished with that 4K disc could have been accomplished with a Blu-ray and that's why I have that in my top 10. Please don't apologise for rambling on because I love reading comments like this and thank you so much for taking the time out to write it
@@millerman9991 Thank's, one thing I have remembered just now is that discussion around 2k DI's also affects alot of BR's, as film scanning and remastering techniques have gone along way since early uses of the technology. I recently ordered a BR of Irreversible, as it's likely gonna be the best the film will ever look. It was shot on 16mm, scanned and edited at HD and finished at 35mm. So while it looks HD, it never look's Full HD. As the film has alot of CGI and digital effect's, it would be costly and very hard to accurately to do a full restoration of the film. I actually looked at some screenshot's of the 4k BR of Dog Soldiers online again, and I actually think it look's worse than the BR. The bitrate is really low, so the grain is significantly mushier than the standard release. The main reason why I don't think it caused much of an uproar was because Dog Soldiers has had bad BR after bad BR, from a DVD master that's barely HD to a cinema print because they couldn't find the negative. So the German BR is currently the best release atm, untill Second Sight's remaster. I do wonder if there's gonna be 4K BR re-releases of alot of films later down the line like there was with BR. The old BR's for Maniac and Henry were woeful compared to their later releases, and there's hundreds of examples, especially recently with so many 4k releases compared to early BR efforts.
I disagree with your take on Gremlins - it’s the best it’s looked, the original was that way due to film stock of the time, so in my book that makes it a good transfer of the original.
Gremlins has a history of poor transfers and I honestly think it continued on to 4k. I found the picture to be lifeless soft and the HDR done little to nothing to improve things. If you stack up gremlins against other 80s movies that came out in 4k you'll probably understand where I was going with it
@@millerman9991 I feel Ghostbusters is a similar case, and from the same year - however my point was that it doesn’t make it a bad transfer if it doesn’t have that “wow” look. In my book a good transfer is a good representation of how the film originally looked.
@@RetroReels it goes without saying that gremlins does look better than the previous Blu-ray. But it doesn't make it a good-looking 4K transfer and that's why it in my top 10. Ghostbusters is another great comparison. Both of them movies are never going to look great on 4k and maybe I should have cut gremlins some slack.
This is great Keith, although you list your 'worst', for me it is more valuable than your best because 4K costs so much money and no one wants to waste money on zero upgrade at all and especially downgrades. My very first 4K was Goodfellas, as you can imagine I just thought 4K was a terrible invention. It wasn't until I saw the original Suspiria on 4K that I realised it's true potential. Any other 4Ks that are really bad, you should do this as a regular video, it's really a valuable informative video and you get my thumbs up:) My only regret is that you had to purchase these 4Ks in the first place but hats off to you for passing on your knowledge. Big fan of your work, great review! 😎👍😎👍💯
Wow. That is the biggest compliment I've got on this video and you're the first person to actually say that and that's why I done this video. Is to make people aware of these poor transfers. I'm sorry to hear that Goodfellas was your first 4K purchase. You must have been demoralised by 4K at that point. But like you said suspiria what a transfer and what a movie. The good thing with my videos now is everytime I review a new 4K release I am going to feature comparisons with the Blu-ray and you will get a good sense of how better the transfer looks over the Blu-ray. Thank you so much for checking out the video and leaving such a kind supportive comment. I really do appreciate it and sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you
I’m just getting into collecting 4k (slightly late I know) I’ve gone a bit nuts in the last few weeks buying stuff up, this video is a bit sobering! Glad none of the discs I bought were on this list, although I did consider getting Henry portrait of a serial killer (which was bloody expensive too!). Anyway, great channel! I’ve subscribed! Thankyou!
Hey Alex. You're never too late when it comes to collecting 4K my friend. We've all gone through that phase at the start where you just keep buying film after film. Great to hear that you didn't pick up anything from this top 10. Henry was shot on 16mm and it was never going to look good. If you have the Blu-ray of it I honestly can't see any upgrades on this 4K release. Thank you so much for coming over and subscribing to my channel and for leaving a comment. I really appreciate it
I've done exactly the same thing. Must have spent about £300 in the last 2 months on 4K disc's. Although I got a German steel book version of T2 and I thought it looked fine. Not sure if it's any different. The sound through my home theatre system was pretty amazing too. I heard bad things about that release like y'man just said before buying it but I was pleasantly surprised.
Glad you have T2 and Goodfellas in there, mate. The latter made me think that 4K blu-ray might actually be a giant con, because like I mentioned before it was one of my very first 4K pickups. Brilliant video - it's really helpful for folks to know what to avoid - I've heard "Pirates of the Caribbean" is a disaster zone but haven't seen it myself.
Hey Dan. It was because of your comment about Goodfellas that actually got this top 10 into my head so thank you for that. Of course it was always going to make my top 10 along with T2. But both of them movies look like masterpieces when you compare them to Olympus Has Fallen. It looks so bad it's borderline funny. You have to see it to believe it. Thankfully I have wizened up when it comes to my 4K pickups and that's why I haven't gone near Pirates of the Caribbean. Disney again need I say anymore
Really interesting video Keith and although it's unlikely I'd have picked up any of these anyway (bar one), it's good to be able to see which stinkers to avoid. Weirdly, I actually watched Suicide Squad just before I saw your post and I didn't think it was that bad. Very dark, but I wondered if that was the filmmakers intent? The colours looked nice and bright and sharp. I'll have to check out the blu-ray to see how wrong I am! 😀 Anyway, keep up the good work. Your videos are always shining a light on releases I didn't know existed!
Hey Andy the one thing I probably should have said in this video when it comes to these 4K transfers is everyone's going to have a different opinion on these transfers because everyone's equipment is different. I have an OLED TV and a lot of the suicide squads black levels look very grey and it's all down to the HDR. But when you do compare the Blu-ray to the 4K release you will see little to no difference in my opinion. But I would love to hear your thoughts on if you ever do get around to looking at the Blu-ray. Thank you so much Andy for coming over and checking out my video and for leaving such a beautiful kind supportive comment. You have no idea how much that means to me and I really do appreciate it
@@millerman9991 Well, I watched the first 10 mins and the blu-ray wasn't as dark as the 4K, for sure. Strange why that should be. Maybe it's part of the HDR process. Anyway, cheers again for the video Keith👍
Great list and review. I am glad I dodged Henry and waited for second sight’s release of dog soldiers. I have fortunately not got most of the discs on your list.
Hey Paul. I honestly cannot wait to get my hands on dog Soldiers from second sight. Now I know it's not going to be one of them movies that's going to look ultrasharp but I know they will do something far better than this piece of crap that i have. You are very fortunate not to have many of these in the collection.
Hi Keith, T2 I actually always watch my Skynet edition of on Blu-ray over this 4k you shown which honestly was the release that turned me off from 4k physical media. Gremlins doesn't surprise me but I feel that it probably couldn't ever look great without becoming a DNR mess, Henry honestly doesn't surprise me as it's so far a stretch for 4k , a low budget movie that if expect just a decent enough blu-ray of. Goodfellas no surprise either as I feel no blu-ray release is anything more than acceptable. Phantom menace doesn't even deserve a physical media release 🤣 The most surprising title on this list to me is Iron man as for me I remember the Blu-ray being a major selling point for me on the format. Fantastic video mate and a real eye opener.
That's actually a great point that you made when I came to gremlins. It's just one of those movies that's never going to look great and like you said if they applied DNR and try to sharpen it a bit they would almost ruin it even more. So maybe I should have cut gremlins a bit of slack. T2 on 4k need I say anymore. Unfortunately Ironman has a lot of DNR applied to the picture. It can be misleading but when you look carefully it's there to be seen. It wouldn't be a top 10 worst transfers if I didn't throw in a Star Wars movie and it just had to be Phantom Menace. Crap transfer for a crap movie. Thanks so much Dan for checking out the video my friend. I would love to see you do a video very similar just to see what you would come up with
Hey John. Great to hear that you don't have many of these on 4k and hopefully I might have saved you a couple of quid. I have to admit Olympus is falling is a fun movie and I definitely recommend checking it out for the movie not the 4K. As always thanks again John on for coming over and checking out the video. I can always rely on you my friend
Thank you Keith - I have had such a good laugh watching this. Great entertainment. I think the worst I have is Gemini Man but that's for different reasons. The Hunt For Red October is probably up there though. John.
Thank you so much John I really appreciate that. I completely understand why Gemini man is your worst. But the only reason why i didn't enter it into my top 10 is because the 4K resolution is so evident and the HDR colours are fantastic. It's the 60 frames that letting it down. If you remove the 60 frames it will look phenomenal. The Hunt for Red October was just a black mess.
@@millerman9991 If I ever do a ten worst I expect my pick of Gemini Man will cause a lot of upset. I think it's a generational thing and if you've grown up playing computer games then you are more likely to like the look of Gemini Man. But I bet it looked amazing at 120fps in 3D so as much as I can't stand the look of the 4K disc I suspect I might really appreciate a big screen 3D screening. And I don't much care for 3D normally. John.
To be honest John I wouldn't say Gemini man would be an unpopular choice. I know everyone seems to hate the 60 frames that comes with that release and I found it to be unbelievably distracting as well. I would have loved to have seen a version of it where it didn't have the 60 frames because I honestly think it could be one of the best looking movies out there on the format if it wasn't for that. Never mind that the movie itself was complete crap
@@millerman9991 There is no way of correcting it because the motion blur just isn't there. In normal vision we're seeing at about 24fps so real life has motion blur and that I think is why Gemini Man looks more like a video game rather than a film. It isn't the best movie ever made anyway so it's all rather academic really. I also think it may have had the much maligned digital noise reduction applied to it just to help it look even more unrealistic. There are some adverts that look similar in that regard so it's possibly directors and video editors being clever and applying noise reduction to make a production look a little surreal. John.
Deja vu, I actually watched this video the day I’m not sure if it was uploaded in error or it was a fault with TH-cam. Great video Keith and there is some great movies on here that deserved way more.
Apologies for that. For some strange reason TH-cam released it to the public a couple of days ago without me knowing about it. I always had it scheduled for today and for some strange reason it came out a couple of days ago. But thankfully I was able to take it down. It actually happened again tonight I have Beverly Hills Cop video coming out this week and they released it without me knowing. Thankfully I was able to get to that in time. Really need to look into this and find out why it's happening.
@@millerman9991 I was over the moon at the time you’d spoiled us with 3 videos in one night lol 😂 I actually saw the Beverly Hills cop 2 video too, but didn’t watch it before you took it down lol 😂
@@millerman9991 not a problem Keith, just me being greedy for decent content lol 😂 every week I wait eagerly for you and John to drop some content for me to consume lol 😂
I have to tell you that means a lot to me and I'm sure it means a lot 2 John as well. It feels like I'm doing something right and it's always great to get clarification
Thank you for taking the time to check it out. Honestly if you can pick up the Blu-ray of Goodfellas I think that's the way to go. You are getting little to no upgrade with the 4K release. It's such a shame because the movie itself is an absolute masterpiece and it deserves better
Can not agree more on the German Dog soldiers release. i remember putting the blu-ray on, which was from the same release, and thought there is no difference what so ever. Like you said Keith, and others, Second sight release will no doubt be better. I have been following their updates regarding the restoration and boy they have been putting a lot of time and effort into this project. I have pre-ordered my copy which is due for release on the 26/07/2022. Keep those wonderful videos coming Keith, love it.
Hey Keith thank you so much for coming over and checking out my video and for the kind and supportive words. If you could only see my face when I knocked on the 4K release of dog Soldiers from Germany. I never seen anything as poor as it. I am a huge fan of second sight and I really don't have many complaints about their releases and it's also great to hear that there seemed to be putting in a lot of work to get this movie looking pristine. Hopefully it will be the version that us fans have been waiting for. I have my edition pre-order and I suppose we will have to wait and see.
Hey Jordan. Thank you so much for coming over and checking out my top 10. Trust me when I say stay away from Olympus Has Fallen. I honestly never seen anything like it when it comes to 4k. I would love to see a new version of T2 but I can't see it happening anytime soon. Its a real shame
Finally, a reviewer who vindicates my opinions of a lot of 4K's I have. Many of my friends poo-poo these negative opinions, instead going along with the 'paid for' reviews put out by many channels.
Hey Ron. Thank you so much for the vote of confidence. I am that kind of person who calls it as it is. I honestly can't say anything positive about this top 10 and I'm hoping that people will see this as a bit of a warning to stay away from these 4k releases. I honestly think there should be a certain standard that these companies should hit before these movies get a 4K release. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and that will never happen. Thank you so much for stopping by and checking out the video
Thanks for this video! You confirmed to my that olympus has fallen was a bad 4k transfer. when i was watching london and angel has fallen the picture was much better and natural. great video!
It's amazing sometimes when it comes to 4k. You know you're looking at a poor 4K transfer but sometimes u need confirmation from someone else to confirm it. It's a terrible looking release but thankfully the sequels are nowhere near as bad. Thanks so much for checking out the video
I have T2 on 3D and I never got around to watching it. It's a shame to hear that the 3D isn't all that special. Yeah the Eddie bust I just pick up recently. Looks fantastic sitting in the background. Thanks for checking out the video my friend
@@millerman9991 I mean, it's worth a watch, particularly since you already have it. It's just not on the same level as the Jurassic Park legacy conversion though. Dear old Eddie: I hope he lives on when the band finally calls it a day (no time soon I hope, I thought Senjutsu was great). Anyway, excellent channel, subbed. Cheers buddy.
I have a steelbook edition on Blu-ray and I think it looked okay but I cannot remember what studio brought it out. It's always had a poor showing on physical Media
Fantastic video and thoughts. I think at this point, the kit you have really starts to matter, like having a great TV really makes a difference. I'm sure most people here have spent good money on a good set up, but can imagine those who haven't forked out for a Dolby Vision compatible TV finding themselves underwhelmed by the format. It's one you've really got to invest in, and god it ain't cheap! The Indies are doing god's work here for sure . Blue Underground for example have produced some of the best looking 4K discs I've seen and these are indie restorations of old b-movies! On a side note, I've been caught out a couple of occasions having watched half a film and thought, this just looks like a Blu-ray! But then realising the auto selection on my TV/player hadn't switched on the HDR for some reason, I restarted the player and suddenly the image clarity and colours popping is on another level. I'm sure that's just my setup, but bloody annoying when it happens!
To be honest when it comes to Dolby Vision I'm not sure if I'm entirely convinced of it when you compare it to HDR. I find it hard sometimes to tell the difference and that's why I don't really promote it too much in my videos. Not taking anything away from it because a lot of my dolby vision 4K releases that I have look great. It's just they probably would have looked great with HDR aswell. I'm embarrassed to say that I do not own a single blue underground release. But I have a friend that owns them all when it comes to 4K and every single one of them apparently look amazing. I'm just waiting for the day that someone sells a bulk of them on eBay and hopefully I can pick them up. I know there is a few Blu-ray players out there where you have to activate the Dolby vision or HDR which I find absolutely ridiculous. There is nothing worse than watching a movie halfway through and then you realise that HDR is not on.
@@millerman9991 thanks man. Yeah, I guess the Dolby Vision is supposed to give you a more accurate HDR grading per scene as the director intended, rather than the one grading applied wholesale, which is what the standard HDR does. But I will say I have seen trailers for movie on TH-cam in HDR that made me go "Wow" why didn't it look that good on my Blu-ray player in Dolby Vision?! But whether that is an accurate interpretation of how the movie was actually intended to look is another thing.
I would be incredibly surprised if Second Sight screw up this transfer of dog Soldiers. I am a huge fan of second sight and they have never let me down before and fingers crossed they don't now.
Everything Disney brings out doesn't meet my standards regarding audio and video, such a shame. I'm still going to buy 4k discs instead of using Disney + though. Gremlins deserves a better release in the future and T2 as well. Great video Keith and thanks for reminding me how many crappy 4k discs I own. 😁
Hey Sebastian I absolutely agree with you when it comes to Disney. The bulk of their releases look very poor whether it's audio or picture. But just like you I will not pay for Disney Plus. I would sooner have their crappy 4KS physically than stream them. I had a feeling you might own a few of these and apologies for reminding you. Have a good one my friend
Hi keith great video as always. If you decide to watch one of these films do you now put the blu ray on. Or are some of these still better than the blu but not as good 4k should be.
That actually is a very good question. I think it varies to be completely honest. Dog Soldiers I only had on DVD so naturally I would probably watch this one. Olympus Has Fallen without question you would knock on the Blu-ray. As for the likes of gremlins Ironman and The Phantom Menace I will probably stick with the 4K as well.
@@millerman9991 this is a massive problem I have when trying to spread my budget. The problem is when I just buy the blu ray I always in the back of my mind think I am not watching this in the best Quality. Keep up the amazing channel m8.
I completely understand what you're saying Ellery. I'm exactly like that as well. If there is a film that has come out from screen factory that I can't get my hands on 4k I refuse to watch the Blu-ray until I can get the 4k. It's a weird issue with me and maybe I shouldn't be that way. Blu-ray is a great format and we shouldn't forget that
Handy video Keith and great to see it doing so well! 👍👌😃 I think our taste is similar re. PQ so i’ll definitely heed ur advice with some of these. Gonna blind buy dog soldiers second sight release i think, def avoid that german one! 🥴 Also fancied Henry too as never seen but will just look for it on on streaming or an old blu ray if a bit shit lol been swaying over star wars 4ks too as have OG blu rays but u’ve convinced me to save my money. I like saving money so thank you 🤑😂
Thank you so much for coming over and checking out the video my friend. I honestly don't know how this video done as well as it did and it's got a very good response which is always great. I have faith in second sight and I'm sure they will do a great job on dog Soldiers. The only thing I will say is dog Soldiers was shot in 16mm so don't expect a pin sharp picture. But it should be miles ahead of the edition I have here. Henry I hated every minute of that movie. Definitely not for me. But don't let me put you off it. Check it out for yourself and see what you think
I couldn't agree more with you. It's still hard to believe that even though we're in the 4K age we still don't have Blu-ray releases for the abyss or True Lies. Absolutely ridiculous and you question whether or not we will ever get them. To obsessed with Avatar
Very interesting and informative video, Keith. Thanks. Almost makes me want to buy Olympus has Fallen to see how bad it is. Don't worry, I said "almost".
Do it Patrick you know you want to. At least now I know what to get you for your birthday or Christmas 😆 🤣. You will not believe how bad this movie looks. It's alright me talking about it but you have to see it to believe it. Thanks so much for coming over and checking out the video Patrick. I hope you're doing well my friend
@@millerman9991 That would actually be a fantastic prank. Every movie and physical media enthousiast should buy a whole stack of 4k Blu-rays of Olympus has Fallen and just gift them to anyone on every possible occasion. Christmas, birthday, wedding, childbirth, starting a new job, retirement, buying a new house. It doesn't matter, just give them a 4k Blu-ray of Olympus has Fallen. Let's make this release the best-selling 4k Blu-ray ever.
Now that is a plan. Imagine you going over to a friend's house and giving them a childbirth gift of Olympus Has Fallen on 4K Blu-ray. I can only imagine the wife's face. I can't even write this comment I'm laughing so hard. Number one in the 4K charts for the 10th week in a row Olympus Has Fallen
@@millerman9991 By doing so, everyone will have a 4k Blu-ray copy of Olympus has Fallen in its possession before the end of the year. They will all see what a "terrible format" 4k Blu-ray is, so sales will fall tremendously, except for Olympus has Fallen of course, which we just keep on buying. End result: Because of our prank, you and me are the two people responsible for the early death of 4k Blu-ray. The only 4k Blu-ray still being sold will be Olympus has Fallen.
Really useful video, especially as many great second hand blu rays are available for pennies. There is no doubt in my mind that some films really aren't worth (re)buying in 4k
Hey James. Thank you so much for checking out my video and for the kind words of support. Nowadays I'm a lot more careful when it comes to 4k. I do a bit more homework before purchasing.
Hey there, great video. I am also a collector and recently came across your channel. Will absolutely be watching your stuff going forward. I wanted to comment briefly on the LE Arrow release of Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer. This copy of the film is a triple dip for me as I own both the original MPI Blu ray, the 30rh anniversary remaster from MPI/Dark Sky from 2016, and now this 4k release from Arrow. The film is not a pretty one due to its budget and I also think David Naughton intended this. That being said, in comparison to the two previous Blu rays, the new 4k is phenomenal. When this was announced I was somewhat concerned they were going to heavily DNR & EE the film to artificially give it that smooth look and sharp edging. Arrow did not disappoint, the remaster they did is just about perfect, retaining all the film grain and preserving the film makers original vision, and comparing them side the other 2 bd releases there is no comparison. Henry is not a pretty film and that is by design.
Hey Adam thanks so much for coming over and checking out my video. I really appreciate it. I have to admit I just recently got hold of a Blu-ray of this movie and honestly I can't see much of a difference in upgrades if I'm completely honest and that's the issue I have with this 4K transfer. I felt everything they accomplished with this transfer could have easily been accomplished on Blu-ray. Maybe a 4K master instead of a 4K edition. There is no question that the movie is ugly and it's all down to the fact that it was shot in 16 mm. But when I compare that to other 16mm movies like the Evil Dead or Maniac on 4K there is a Night and Day difference over those movies to this and unfortunately that's why I have it in this top 10.
Thankfully I never purchased Pirates of the Caribbean On 4k. From what I've been hearing it sounds awful. I'm sure it would have been in this top 10 if I actually owned it.
Hey Danny you're the first person to comment on why I done this top 10. To make people aware of how poor these are and when you do get around to getting your 4K setup I hope you remember this video and save yourself some money. Thank you so much Danny. I honestly hope it helps
Thanks Keith. Good to know what not to waste money on. To be fair there was only a couple I had considered anyway. Gremlins and Goodfellas were the main ones and considered them in the HMV sale. Dodged a bullet cheers mate 👍
It's amazing Chris because out of this top 10 it was gremlins and Goodfellas that kills me the most when it comes to the 4K transfers. 2 phenomenal movies that deserve so much better and this is what we have to live with. If you have the Blu-ray of Goodfellas you are getting no upgrade. Gremlins on 4K does look better than the Blu-ray but it's still not saying a whole lot. Thanks for checking it out Chris
@@millerman9991 haha. Great minds think alike. Gutted about them. The rest I can live without apart from T2 but thats the one everybody warns you off so Ive already come to terms with it. Lol
@@millerman9991 If you bought it from their website they are sending them out automatically. It's only if you bought it somewhere else like Amazon that you need to send them a copy of the receipt. The picture quality is supposed to be even worse on the bluray version. I think it was only an audio issue with the 4K if so that's very disappointing.
@@millerman9991 Arrow sent an email out a couple of days ago stating that replacement discs for Henry will be shipped by the 13th June if not before. I will let you know when the replacement disc is delivered to me then you can request a disc for yourself 👍👍👍
@@bonzodog6872 I doubt that there is any improvement what it comes to picture quality, guess they just changed the scenes in correct order. Source material is what it is, just like with Texas Chain Saw Massacre: only subtle improvements comparing to Blu Ray, if any.
hi Keith , as you say these are your top 10 worst , do you think it could be the quality of the equipment used ?. i know you chat to other you tubers, how about getting opinions of others with different equipment perhaps the quality is improved or made worse , i would be interested to know which player or tv plays the best .
Hey Thomas. That is a fantastic point you just made and I honestly should have said that in the video. Of course equipment is always going to come into play when it comes to 4K transfers. The one thing I will say is the bulk of this top 10 the transfers have a lot of dnr and no matter how good your equipment is it is never going to improve these movies. They're always going to look poor especially with DNR been used. Me personally I have one of the finest OLED TVs out there as well as one of the best 4K Blu-ray players so I'm very confident in this top 10. But again I have to say Thomas that is a very good point you made and I really appreciate you leaving this comment
On a related note, the worst 4k transfer I've ever seen in any medium is Seinfeld on Netflix, it manages to look worse than even the SD version of the show, in some ways.
I had no idea Seinfeld was 4K on Netflix. I think when it comes to shows like Seinfeld there's only so much they can do when it comes to picture quality. But I never thought it would look worse than the SD version. A real shame
@@millerman9991 Well, the sharpness of details *might* be better than SD, and HD, but I never really noticed because the overall look of the show is sort of a weirdly dark color and is grainy to boot.
Thank you so much doug. I agree with you when it comes to watching the Marvel movies in 3D and thankfully my 3d TV is still working but I'm dreading the day when it does die on me
@@millerman9991 I wish mine still worked. It had the active 3d. Best I'd ever seen. Currently slumming it with a 2d Panasonic oled. 3d on that would be some sight. I'll check out your other videos. Cheers.
This statement is inaccurate. The Phantom Menace was not shot with digital cameras. It was actually the last Star Wars movie to be shot on 35mm film. Attack of the Clones was actually the first Star Wars movie to be shot with digital cameras. The fact that Phantom Menace was shot in 35mm, had the potential to be a great 4K transfer-unfortunately it was just a lazy effort.
Interesting video. With regards to your comments around Dog Soldiers and second sight sorting it all out. What I'd say to that is wait and see, I believe it could be down to the film elements available, but if you think the German 4k release is bad, have a look at it against the Scream factory Blu Ray. The difference is staggering. The German release is jaw dropping in comparison. So can it get better, hopefully, is that a definite, I don't think it is.
Hey Andy. That's a valid point you made and the only reason why I mentioned second sight in this video is because everything that they do on 4k looks stunning in my opinion and I have complete faith they can do something quite brilliant with this movie. I am well aware that the movie itself has limitations when it comes to picture quality but hopefully second sight can get the best out of it. Time will tell
hi there how many box sets do you i oticed you have the hitchcock collection behind you which looks amazing would love to see what box sets you have have a great week
Hey Clive. Honestly I've lost count how many box sets I do have behind me or in this room. I will leave a link to my movie room if you want to check it out. th-cam.com/video/X9g3G7umNgk/w-d-xo.html
I'm pretty new to the whole Blu Ray vs DVD thing, so I'm curious; when you say that movies like T2 and Goodfellas look bad on Blu Ray and 4K, are they still better looking than their DVD counterparts or are they actually worse than DVD?
Having most of these in 4K (except Dog Soldiers), they are all better than the DVD releases. In a few cases (Iron Man and *definitely* T2 in my opinion) existing Blu Ray releases may deliver a picture quality that overall is superior.
Hey Jackson. The comments that Bruce left is absolutely spot-on. Every single one of these movies in this top-10 look far better than there DVD counterparts. When it comes to Blu-ray that's a completely different story altogether. Some of them might be a bit better than the Blu-rays but a lot of them I honestly couldn't recommend picking up on 4k.
I have the second sight version of dog Soldiers and as you said it looks absolutely fantastic. I can't say the same for the version I showed in this video. Horrendous
Keith, in your opinion, what's the best Blu-ray of T2. I have the steelbook skynet addition? Also I'm assuming from what you've said here, it wont be worth upgrading to 4k as there won't be any improvement?. Keep up the good work, you're doing a great job.
Hey James. You just answered your own question my friend. The Steelbook Skynet edition is by far the best. Do not waste your money on the 4K release. Just check every review on 4K for Terminator 2 and you will see that it's universally hated. Thank you so much James for coming over and checking out this video and for such incredibly kind and supportive words. You have no idea how much that means to me
I'm not Keith, but if you want the best release of T2 get the 2015 Lionsgate Films release from the U.S. Gone is much of the DNR that plagued the Skynet Editions.
Hye a question non related to the video, which was good by the way, do you have the evil dead 4k groovy edition if yes can you tell me if there are some french subtitles on the movies ? thanks. Because i cant find the 1 and 2 in 4k at reasonnable price in France..so i am trying on the US/UK market..
Hey Dan thank you so much for checking out the video. Unfortunately I never got around to picking up the 4K groovy edition. But I didn't go onto blu-ray.com and I can confirm that the first Evil Dead has no French subtitles but the rest of them do. I hope that helps you out
I would love to hear your top ten best. Alien on 4K is simply mind blowing, especially on OLED TV. I just ordered escape from NY from shout factory... Can't wait
I can tell you now if I do my top 10 chances are alien will be in there and like you said looks extraordinary on an OLED TV. I would love to hear your thoughts on escape from New York. I just recently got one from shout factory myself and the new Dolby Atmos is mind-blowing. You're in for a treat my friend
Just catching up on one of your older videos mate 😊 What a shame about 'DOG SOLDIERS', it's such a great film. I'll hafta look and see which print I have since you mentioned here a year ago that hopefully Second Sight was going to do a version of it. I just checked and since I don't of course have 4k I have the Koch Media Blu-ray. So, since you said that this German 4k print is so bad, I'm assuming if it is from Koch Media, that the Blu-ray must also be pretty bad. I'll see if there is a standard Blu-ray release from Second Sight by now. If you know, please if you have a moment, let me know if there is a halfway decent 1080 release of this film at all, thanks!
Yeah I have to admit second sight really have delivered when It came to dogs soldiers and it's 4K transfer. As a matter of fact I would go as far as to say it was a revelation especially when you stack it up against that horrible release that I have in my top 10. If you're looking for a good Blu-ray version of dogs soldiers you're probably better off picking up the 4K second second sight release because you get a Blu-ray with that version and they done a wonderful job on it as well. As far as I'm aware i don't think they brought out a separate Blu-ray release. I hope that helps you out
@@millerman9991 Yes, thank you very much! I need to future-proof my antiquated system anyway for the day when my Plasma finally dies 😁 I think I've actually bought 2 4k films. I THINK one was the original 'TOTAL RECALL' because it also came with a remastered Blu-ray for about $10. I have one other one, but I can't remember what it is...
I don't think any harm can come from picking it up as you said future proof your collection and you'll be well set up whenever you do decide to cross over to 4k.
@@millerman9991Wait a second... Apparently Shout Factory also did a 4k version last year, did you know about that? I'm looking into some reviews now, but I'm wondering how the SF print compares...?
A year ago I purchased a 4k player and returned it the day after. For one thing because I didn't realize my Home Cinema could only work with a blu-ray player but mainly because I tried several movies from different decades and none really impressed me. I noted slight improvements but not worth the money of having to get a new Home Cinema. Maybe in a couple of years from now... Besides, some old movies with miniatures and the like look worse on 4k because they are a bit more noticeable and break the illusion and some CGI-laden films from lately really look somewhat cartoonish. Like videogames.
Hi Keith, just following up a comment i made sometime ago regarding the shocking 4k release of Dog Soldiers. Well i have just watched Second sights new release, and oh boy are you in for a treat. They have done it yet again, and knocked it out the ball park. Look forward to hear what you think. Keith.
Hey Keith. Now that is music to my ears and I knew second sight would do a fantastic job on this release and thank you so much for getting back to me and let me know. I'm hoping to have mine next week and I cannot wait to see it. Even more so now.
I had a good laugh about your picks. And hell yeah, the Dog Soldiers transfer is beyond awful. But this edition has become highly sought after and you have to admit that the Blu-ray transfer is the best quality to get - until the Second Sight Films release drops. Have you seen the Shout Factory transfer of Dog Soldiers? 😂 This one is even worse looking than an old vhs tape. 🤣 Sometimes you really wonder who's in charge of things at big studios. Greetz from Germany, Basti
I have not seen the Blu-ray release from scream factory of dog Soldiers but I've heard horror stories about it. I know a lot of people out there say that this is the best that dog soldiers has ever looked but it's still does it make it a great 4K transfer and that's why I had to put it into this top 10. It has no HDR either which is an absolute killer. I know second sight are going to do something remarkable with this movie and it's 4K transfer and I cannot wait to see it. Hopefully it will be the definitive edition of it
Hey Brian. It depends on which 4K release you are talking about because the second sight edition the 4K looks absolutely remarkable. The Blu-ray that you get inside this edition that I show in the video looks very poor as well. It's actually worse than the 4k
Hello sir,great video,my worst 4k movies i seen are,Terminator 2,Robocop 1,Dirty Dancing,sadly some 4k movies dont get restoration,just moved to 4k disc,what a shame,to make a old movie looks great in 4k they must own original copy not transfer from blue ray,look on Predator or 10 commandments how great they look in 4k
Hey Adrian. I haven't seen RoboCop on 4K but I have seen reviews on it and it's one of those things where people don't seem to want to say they were disappointed with it when you can clearly see they are and that's why I never picked it up. Dirty Dancing is such a shame but having said that there is a significant improvement over the previous Blu-ray. As a matter of fact I done a video on it and you can clearly see the difference. But I was really underwhelmed by it. It just didn't translate to 4k unfortunately and there is a lot of movies out there that will never look good on 4k.
I bought Henry a few weeks ago I think I'll be taking it to cex for a trade in while its worth something lol I wasn't expecting the old tv format was it a tv movie??
Hey Jeff. I'm thinking about doing the same thing myself. I was so disappointed how this movie looked and to be honest I wasn't the biggest fan of the movie when I seen it. Unfortunately they all can't be winners
Just watch the 4K transfer of "Superman - The Movie" (1978). At times, iit's just so bad that I recently heard they decided to re-release it when all the other 3 sequels will come out in 4K later in 2023.
Bear in mind when it comes to Superman on 4K the first reel of this movie is apparently in bad shape and that's why the first 30 minutes of this movie on 4K looks very underwhelming. But when you watch the rest of the movie there is a marked improvement and I have to admit I enjoyed the 4K transfer on this one. But if it is true and they are re releasing it I am all for that as well. Any improvements that can be made is welcome in my book
I find your views regarding Gremlins interesting. Unfortunately I haven't watched the UHD, or any UHD disc in fact, so I can only speak based on captures/screenshots that are converted from HDR to SDR, but still: The Gremlins UHD looks pretty solid to me with improved/more natural colors, grain hasn't been scrubbed away and it _does_ have more detail as well. Agree with Iron Man, and the Bourne movies as a similar offender, where the Blu-ray really seems to be better, the Star Wars Trilogy (too much EE especially and a bit too much DNR, looking too artificial) and GoodFellas (black crushing, blueish-reddish tint for colors). Also share your take on old movies shot on 16mm or so, that don't benefit from the 4K resolution and don't get an HDR pass or where it doesn't make much difference - don't see the reason to spend that money when a standard Blu-ray will give me the same experience, given that it got a good encode, seems like a money grab. Now, I kinda agree with T2 as well, given that I have held out buying a UHD and am more content watching the dated Blu-ray with its known flaws, but it's not completely bad to deserve the "Worst UHD" title IMO - there are quite some scenes that show remarkable detail/resolution I'd say, so I think the scanning & restoration has been great, but the mastering is the only culprit, or the DNR primarily. And it's really a bummer considering how popular and acclaimed this movie is. I still hope we'll see a remastered version with much less DNR, maybe for the 35th Anniversary; still some way to go. There's also some incentive for having the extended scenes remastered I think, where this could be revised while at it. Would probably still come with the color timing changes that I'm not exactly happy with, but I think one can get used to it. I would probably add Batman Begins to the list, to the first half. I really like the movie, but the red push leading to unhealthy flesh tones in combination with too much DNR at times makes me stay away from it and hope for a remaster in the future. What is your take on that one, how does the HDR work there?
Hey Dennis. It's been a while since I sat down and watched Batman Begins on 4k but I do remember being completely underwhelmed by it. You're absolutely spot-on there was a lot of DNR and the colours look a little saturated if I remember correctly. Looked nothing near as good as the Dark Knight or Rises. Again I'm just going off memory. The one thing I never think to mention in my videos and I really need to start doing it. Everyone is going to have a different viewing experience when it comes to 4K and it's all down to equipment. I'm watching on a flagship OLED TV and and maybe what I'm seeing is a lot more noticeable than what your average viewer would see. But a lot of this top 10 there is no denying how poor there transfers are. But that's just one man's opinion 😆 🤣
It's good that you mentioned Goodfellas on your list Keith. I have a similar problem with Martin Sorcese's "Casino" 4K release. - Just too damn gritty - and that is the problem in my opinion. Have you already got Casino 4k in your collection? And if so what is your opinion of the PQ at the least? By the way, just watched "Howard The Duck" 4K yesterday and I have to say the transfer and sound are phenomenal - easily the best 4k release I have ever seen, literally no issues with that release.
Hey Josh I had no idea that casino had similar issues. I'm actually sick because I thought that movie was supposed to be decent in 4k. So as you can tell I do not own this movie yet on 4k and I was waiting to get a filmarena edition of it. But if the 4K transfer is lacking I don't think I'll bother. Great to hear about Howard the Duck in 4k. It's amazing isn't it Howard the Duck gets a phenomenal 4K transfer and yet Goodfellas and casino look terrible. Makes no sense at all
@@millerman9991 Well, I think I'll watch Casino again just to make sure about any "issues". Will get back to you after a re-watch Keith. It's sad Goodfellas had a bad transfer was really looking forward to obtaining the 4K of that.
@@millerman9991 Hey Keith. Re-watched Casino 4K today and the transfer was actually very good. I don't know why I originally criticized the transfer -maybe I'm not getting enough sleep - lol. Now, seeing it again, I can safely say you won't have much issues from Casino 4K, but I know different countries could possibly have different transfers. Yeah, give it a go. Still disappointed about Goodfellas in your "bad" category. Oh well.
Hey Josh thank you so much for getting back to me about casino. The world makes sense again. I've been desperately trying to get a filmarena edition of it and I will definitely look into it now. Thanks again my friend. Really appreciate it
I see (and hear, haha) that you're on the other side of the pond. I've to ask, because in the past with DVD and Bluray, european version sometime used different source and encodes. I know that for some titles it's often recommended to shop around to find the optimal version.
I think it's very different nowadays because every 4K release is region free so chances are it's the same transfers worldwide. I completely understand where you're coming from when it came to DVD and Blu-ray but I don't think this is the case
Glad someone was finally honest about the Star Wars 4Ks. The original trilogy SHOULD have some grain, but unfortunately they scrubbed all the detail & life out of the picture. The 2011 Blu Rays are still the best Star Wars has ever looked
Hey Dan. I probably should have put the original trilogy into this top-10 as well because they look terrible. But the Phantom Menace just looks that little bit worse. I can't believe this is the best we can get when it comes to 4K and Star Wars. Disney are so unreliable when it comes to 4k.
@@millerman9991 Agreed, Phantom Menace was also shot on film and should have grain. In regards to it being the worst of the Star Wars 4K transfers, I think there’s something about the source for that movie that makes the background look very soft, especially in the Naboo scenes with those grassy plains. I think it’s because it was during the early days of CGI, so Lucas was still figuring out how to make computer generated environments look good. I actually thought Revenge of the Sith looked excellent in 4K, but it was the only Star Wars transfer that really impressed me.
I just watched Attack of the Clones last night and I have to admit it looked a hell of a lot better on 4K than The Phantom Menace. Like you said he seemed to have I won't say perfected generating environments but it does look a hell of a lot better than The Phantom Menace. There seems to be a lot more detail with it as well when it comes to close up facial details. But let's face it we did not buy this collection for the likes of Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace. I don't hate these movies don't get me wrong but it was the original trilogy that Drew me to this collection. It's a shame that this is the best we can get
I would also add Satan's skin and Hellraiser IV, it's just an upscale from Blu-ray with some heavy DNR. The original Hellraiser (1987) came out in 4K in Germany, I'm not sure if it's a real 4K transfer? I've seen Iron Man 4K in Dolby Vision, it looked pretty good...
Hey Bruce. Thanks for the heads up on both of them movies and rest assured I will stay away from them. Unfortunately Iron Man has massive DNR problems. A lot of those Marvel movies have DNR issues but I found Iron Man to be the worst of the lot
Best Euphoria Pictures, What are the results when you turn down HDR/Dolby Vision on the 4K blu-rays? Sometimes I turned off Dolby Vision on the Apple TV to watch Dolby Vision content in the Disney+ app today (because Disney screws up their DV content in the app) and ''pop'', there it is. Stunning colours and shadows. I am curious what happened when you do that.
I've never knocked off HDR and Dolby vision for the simple reason I may as well knock on the Blu-ray that you get with all of these 4K releases. For me when it comes to 4K the biggest upgrade is the HDR and Dolby Vision and to not have either of them I just don't see the point in 4K unfortunately
@@millerman9991 I agree with that but there is a side note. If the HDR is done badly and you turn it off, you still njoy the 4K resolution and everything that's part of it. Do you agree that it just like choosing between DTS HD-MA/DTS-X and Atmos?
It's actually a valid point you're making and I'm going to go into my room and knock off some of the HDR on these titles just to see what it looks like. I'm kind of intrigued now
@@millerman9991 I am so curious if you like the results and what the results are with your set-up. It depands what kind of player/tv/projector you use and the possibility with the configuration. I have a Denon 3500H, LG CX and the Panasonic UB820 and that works very well.. Greetings from the Netherlands
Gremlins looks pretty good considering the source material which was made to look soft on purpose. It's the best the film can look, colors and grain levels are a very solid upgrade over just a ok looking old blu ray. It's a good disc and will never looked amazing or mind blowing, keep your expectations in check.
It has nothing to do with expectations to be completely honest. I found it to be a very poor looking 4k picture and everything they accomplished with this transfer could have easily been accomplished with a Blu-ray and that's why I put it into the top 10.
I'm not quite sure if Cameron had anything to do with the 4K transfer but I do know he had something to do with the 3D version of it. I couldn't imagine Cameron putting this poor transfer out. I could be wrong though
I was kinda disappointed in the kingsman 4ks. Like the fleshtones and reds r super boosted, to where I had to take my normal custom picture settings and change it over to standard settings, which in turn dropped all other pop colors to nothing making the movie look washed. I was bummed. Casino Royale I had trouble with at first too...
There is nothing worse than when you have to tamper with your picture settings just so you can get a 4K Blu-ray looking good. I do remember watching the kingsmen and I was underwhelmed by it as well. It was your typical 2K upscale with added HDR that didn't really add anything to it to be honest. I haven't watched Casino Royale yet but I do have it on 4k
Yes unfortunately with some of these 4K releases I had to be very blunt and if you have seen some of them you can understand why. Short and sweet and to the point.
Hey Brian. To be honest it's no different than Blu-ray. I've picked up so many bad releases on Blu-ray over the years and I knew it was going to carry over onto 4k. Thank you so much for checking it out.
All the Jurassic park films have a transfer that was done back in 2011 that only has a new hdr grade and like you noticed dnr/ grain scrubbing applied. Many films have done this same type of transfer. The same was done to the Indiana Jones films, the lord of the rings trilogy, all the Disney animated films, the matrix trilogy, the marvel movies shot on film & a lot of the stuff putt of by WB home. I think the worst disc I own is Jaws4k or the lord of the rings trilogy 4k. Indiana Jones 4K at least make the films look better than the dvds, blu-rays & vhs but sadly the changes to the film hurt the 4ks a lot
I've been picking up some DVDs recently and using implemented HDR on them. Some of them look great upscaled and I have only spent less than a pound on some. Sometimes it makes me think that not all these 4ks are that much better for older titles .Your video proves my point Keith I think the studios are dishing out some dud releases which will perfectly fine on Blu-Ray and even DVD in some cases
That sounds very interesting Matt implemented HDR. I actually have that feature on my television but I never used it to be completely honest. Maybe I should mess around with it just a bit to see. There's no question that Studios are dishing out some very poor 4K releases and Disney is a huge culprit for that. They will never learn
T2 the dnr king has been dethroned lol. And it is such a shame aswell on gremlins which has such nostalgia for me for many reasons. Still waiting for the day they pull their finger out and give a proper transfer to t1 and t2 in 4k hdr... Also I actually don't own dog soldiers yet as it has crap releases and expensive, but thankfully there's a beauty coming from second sight and I can finally own a classic I wanted. Also was looking at the 60 quid 5 film jurrasic park to watch before the new one releases but you put me off them now. I hear og jurassic park sounds good on dts-x tho?
Hey Steve. Gremlins is one of those 4K releases that still is an improvement over the previous Blu-ray we got but not by much. So if you are a fan of the movie which you clearly are and you can get it for cheap enough I would recommend looking into it. It is the best it's ever looked but that's not saying much. I cannot wait to get hold of my dog Soldiers from second sight. I know it's going to be a hell of a lot better than this piece of crap that I've got. Don't let me put you off to Jurassic Park franchise Steve. There is still some very good looking 4K transfers in that franchise and the first one is still an improvement over the original Blu-ray. The big letdown is part 3. So again if you can get it cheap enough I would look into it
A few notes with some of these titles Gremlin, I would have to disagree with you here. It's actually a very good disc and is the most pleasing viewing of the film ever on home media. It's just that the original camera negative never looked pristine or top tier visually, so honestly the 4k disc represents the best it can possibly look. Honestly , I have no idea why some reviewer put this at their worst list. Far from it. Jurassic Park 3 is not a great disc overall agreed on that. The main thing I wanted to point out is that the transfer was actually pretty good. It's the mastered brightness and muted colors that really kills this disc. Agreed that the original Jurassic Park is in dire need of a remaster worthy of that amazing film. Goodfellas is another one where the brightness was only mastered in a certain nit, which resulted in many tvs having issues properly displaying this movie in a proper brightness. It can be really dim. I believe a remastered disc with dolby vision would really change most people's opinions of this film. The transfer itself is pretty great, so that was never the issue. Other than that, the rest of the list is pretty spot on.
It's great to hear that you got something out of gremlins when it comes to picture quality but for me I think when it comes to 4K standards it's a poor showing. I said it numerous times but whatever they accomplished when it comes to this 4K disc could easily have been accomplished on Blu-ray. The entire Jurassic Park collection and that's even including the Jurassic World movies are lacking when it comes on 4k. Especially the original trilogy it deserves so much better than what we get here. As for Goodfellas I honestly think it's one of the worst transfers I've seen on the format. It just has a lifeless looking picture and like you said maybe a brand new Dolby Vision implementation is maybe what the movie needs. With you
@@millerman9991 Agreed on Jurassic Park for the most part, except The Lost World. It looks fantastic and is nearly how I remember it looking in theaters. Janusz Kaminski is a very grainy photographer and that can throw people off at times, but the color and detail are still very striking on it. The first movie is a bit grain scrubbed and soft at times, but good color. The first film deserves a new upgrade. If we're talking about bad 4k discs, Terminator 2 takes the cake for me.
Hey Boris. Thank you so much for coming over to my channel my friend. Believe it or not but I just purchased Bridge Over the River Kwai on 4k. I'm sure I will feature it in a video sometime in the future. Can't wait to see it
It really is heartbreaking isn't it. 2 fantastic movies that deserve so much better. Goodfellas I stand by. If you have the Blu-ray stick to it. You are getting nothing when it comes to 4k
It's seems very short sighted of the industry to put out these second rate 4K releases. In many cases you might as well stick to picking up the existing blu ray version for a couple of quid on ebay rather than risking £25 for a half baked 4K version.
Hey Simon you are absolutely right and I honestly think there should be a certain standard that these companies have to hit before sending these out on release. Thankfully nowadays I'm a bit more careful what I pick up on 4k. Always do your homework
I'd toss the 4K releases of Platoon and Pirates of the Caribbean onto this pyre as well. I haven't seen it yet, but I heard American Graffiti was also a fiasco of a 4K release.
Thankfully I checked out the reviews for Pirates of the Caribbean and I knew to stay the hell away from them as well as Platoon which is such a shame because I was so hyped for that release. As for American graffiti I think there's a misunderstanding when it comes to that release. I don't think it's as bad as what people were making it out to be.
I was a little nervous going into this video,but I think I got off lightly. Though I do have the last three Star Wars films on 4K. I’m collecting in order to get a 4K T.V at some point.
To be honest the last three Star Wars movies are not too bad on 4k. They're just not huge improvements over the previous Blu-ray. Now if you start looking into the prequels that's another story all together.
Yes I pick them up from Amazon Germany and I've had no issues at all with them so far. I know there was some bad reviews on them but I took a gamble and so far it's paid off
I think gremlins might have had that soft look in the original film element but not entirely positive but I think it was always soft but it's definitely an upgrade over the Blu Ray and that sucks about Jurassic Park 3 I have that same set but have never watched it
Yes you are absolutely correct gremlins was shot with a soft lens and it always had a soft appearance. The biggest issue I had with it when it comes to 4K is it never felt like I was watching a 4K disc. I think if they done a good job on the Blu-ray chances are it would have looked very close to this. Any of the Jurassic Park movies could have been in this top 10 if I'm completely honest. That franchise deserve so much better
@@millerman9991 I generally think 4K is the way to go if coming from DVD. As for bluray to 4K, you are probably right that it's not as good as it could be. Sadly AotC and RotS were filmed digitally at 1080p! At least TPM had a 4K scan from the film!
You said Suicide Squad was not that good, and at first I thought it was THE Suicide Squad, was bout to fight you on that lol. Also can confirm the new Dog Soldiers is rly good, I bought it last week.
The Suicide Squad actually looks fantastic and when I say that I mean it's sequel. The original is very poor. Yeah I picked up the second sight edition of dog Soldiers and to say it's a marked improvement over that horrible edition that I have in that video would be a huge understatement
I am a big Italian horror fan and would have been interested in House By The Cemetery and New York Ripper if I had a 4k set up. But the green colour timing seriously turned me off when I saw the screen caps. The old Blu-rays have way better colour timing.
Hey Paul I'm a big Italian horror fan myself. I never picked up house by the cemetery on 4k which is a fantastic movie by the way and one of my favourites and I never got the New York Ripper either but I'm almost certain they're both blu underground releases and from what I've been hearing both of them supposedly look phenomenal in 4k. I understand what you mean by the colour timing but trust me if the colour timing has a green tint then chances are it's all down to source material. Or maybe the picture themselves are misleading.
I’m surprised that no one ever seems to mention just how bad the first film in the ghostbusters franchise is on 4K. The blu Ray is better than the 4K in every way except maybe sound. Also the film grain seems much heavier on the 4K than the original blu ray release. Although the blu ray bundled with the 4K also seems to be heavier on grain than the original. But it’s definitely made worse on the 4K. I was really disappointed having purchased it on release day. I totally agree with your top 10 worst though. As for Dog Soldiers, the second sight release is pretty amazing when considering the fact that they only had a 16mm film stock to work with in the first place. Love second sight. All the best!
I 100% agree with you when it comes to Ghostbusters. I was so disappointed when I got hold of that on 4k. But apparently Ghostbusters is one of them movies that never looked great. Even on Blu-ray I was slightly underwhelmed by it. It's weird everytime they seem to do a new Master on Ghostbusters the more grain it got. Dog soldiers from second sight is an absolute revelation and I knew second sight would do a great job. As a matter of fact I'm almost certain I said it in that videos. Thank you so much for stopping by and checking out my top 10. I really appreciate it
No it's definitely not you my friend. I done the exact same thing when I knocked on Jurassic Park 3. Tried to adjust my TV as much as I could but no matter what I did I cannot get this movie to look good. I have 2012 but I haven't gotten around to watching it. It's a shame to hear that it's a disappointment.
Hey Keith, great video. Good job torching these terrible 4K transfers. I agree with all your choices although, I have yet to pick up Olympus Has Fallen and I most likely will not. I own that Star Wars set and I was very disappointed as it was so expensive. I get the feeling Disney just doesn't care about the quality of their work.
Hey Gil. Trust me my friend do not go near Olympus Has Falling on 4k. Especially if you have it on Blu-ray and even if you didn't I still couldn't recommend picking up the 4K release. Disney are lost when it comes to 4k. They are too focused on Disney plus and they're just sending out poor titles with poor 4K transfers and terrible audio. It's a shame
I couldn't agree more with you and I cannot wait to get this in my hands. I think when it comes to the 4k we might have to kerb our expectations a little bit. Dog soldiers were shot on 16mm so it's never going to look pristine. Fingers crossed it looks a hell of a lot better than the edition I have of it on 4k
I'm as guilty as everyone else for buying 4K versions of titles assuming they will be better than the standard bluray. I've been caught a few times with disappointing 4k's of titles I already had on bluray and just couldn't tell the difference. Worst thing is bad HDR where the picture just looks bright and you don't get the colour depth and richness. Best thing to do is watch a review comparison with the 4k before upgrading your bluray or buying a title for the first time. None of the titles in this video appeal to me so don't really apply but good video nonetheless, thanks.
I think we have all been guilty of it. Thankfully nowadays I do my homework when it comes to picking up 4K releases. I have been burnt too many times and to be honest I'm starting to get sick of it. You are absolutely spot-on when it comes to HDR especially if it's been used aggressively. I love Mad Max Fury Road on 4K but the HDR does make a lot of the Flames in that very animated looking and it can be a bit distracting. But when HDR is used right it can look spectacular
@@millerman9991 Yes I agree, HDR done well is amazing. I actually watch the Resident Evil movies (the live action ones) a lot because they look great in 4K with great use of HDR. I'd say HDR is more important with 4K than the resolution increase, specially with how good standard blurays look these days. You can get the entire RE set in 4K in one box now if you fancy taking a look at it. But yeah, I don't expect everything to look like Bladerunner 2049 but you expect some kind of value for the big price difference with these 4k releases.
Hey Fernando. Yes I'm not the biggest fan of suicide squad and I think it's only fitting that the picture quality is rubbish. Shame it could have been so much better. Thanks for checking it out my friend
Shame about Iron Man. It's from when Marvel films were actually good, as fims and I have a particular soft spot for it because I bought it for my dad, who was about 70 at the time, on dvd. He used to watch things The A-Team and Knight Rider, with me, when I was only wee (we probably watched Blue Thunder and Street Hawk, together, as well). So, he ended up loving Iron Man and said it was 'great entertainment'. I don't imagine he'd have similar things to say about the later stuff, an more, if he was still around to see it. I think I'm right in saying it was the first of the modern Marvel films and, in my eyes, it is still the best.
I absolutely agree with you 100%. Iron Man is still my favorite Marvel movie and not only is it my favorite but it's miles ahead of anything else that came out. I Can't Help But relate to your comment because I use to watch The A-Team and Knight Rider with my father when I was younger. I still love them shows today. Thank you so much for stopping by and for sharing this comment with me. I really appreciate it and happy new year
Sad to agree with you on all these duds, but the facts are the facts. 4Ks made from their start through 2022 have usually been fine with me, but 2023 became a brick wall of junk. My old blu-ray versions of all of these films are mainly all far superior to anything, and thank gosh I didn't toss 'em in the trash! (Oh, ya - I just sub-channeled to your scribe,)
Unfortunately they can't all be winners when it comes to 4K transfers particularly the ones in this top 10. They all deserve so much better. If you notice as well a lot of them are Disney. Thankfully they have improved quite a bit in the last few months but you never know what you're going to get with them. Thank you so much for stopping by and for the sub. I really appreciate the support my friend
There are 2 or 3 closeups during the T2 4K that look really bad, but other than that, I think the non-filmic, digital look of the transfer suits the film very well.
To me it probably looks better on 3D and you can clearly see that's exactly what they were catering for when doing this 4K release. I'm not a fan of it and I never will be. But if you're happy that's the most important thing.
The Bourne Identity (only the first one) is another title DNR'ed to death. It looks like an upscaled Blu-ray with a major lack of grain and poor color grading. I should note that not having HDR can work for a 4K release. I have the Kino Lorber 4K of The Great Escape and that looks really good.
Yes I knew not to pick up the Bourne Identity on 4K or any of them movies to be honest. I heard nearly all of them have poor transfers. I have to admit I was a bit shocked when I heard the great escape didn't have HDR. But having said that the reviews have been unbelievable positive for it so it just goes to show that it does work without HDR
Yes, after Camille finished with her closing arguments, when she went back to the bench they hugged her and giving high fives. Could that hurt they case? Is like they won.
I have the 2015 lionsgate blu-ray for T2, which is the version not approved by cameron looks pretty good. He is just ruining his own films on 4k. I also have pirates on 4k, the 2010 blu-ray included with the set looks better than the 4k disc
Yeah a few people have told me that the lionsgate Terminator 2 is the best version of that movie you can own. Really need to pick that up. I did my homework on Pirates and when I found out how poor that movie is on 4k I stay away from it.
@@millerman9991 Apparently Cameron is up to his neck trying to finish off the 4 Avatar films he has in production. Apparently they explains why Blu Ray / 4K versions of The Abyss and True Lies have been held up
If a film is shot on 16mm like Dog Soldiers or Henry, don't expect a significant resolution increase on 4k. There can be improvements with encoding and HDR of course, but I think the idea of releasing a 16mm film on 4k is to provide the best possible copy of the film. There's been several standard blu-ray's that only show small improvements over older DVD's due to source limitations, like films shot on SD cameras or from the early days of Digital Intermediates. 28 Days Later and The Celebration/Festen were shot on MiniDV cameras and filmed out on 35mm, the main improvement's those Blu-Ray's provide is higher video bitrates and uncompressed audio. Sorry for the ramble, this type of stuff interest's me.
No I completely understand when it comes to movies being shot in 16 mm and you're absolutely right you shouldn't expect too much from them. But what I do expect is to get something similar to what we got with evil dead or maniac on 4K. Both movies were shot on 16mm and still look phenomenal. Unfortunately dog soldiers on this 4K release is riddled in film dirt and there's also no HDR. And that's why I have it at number two. Henry I honestly think what the accomplished with that 4K disc could have been accomplished with a Blu-ray and that's why I have that in my top 10. Please don't apologise for rambling on because I love reading comments like this and thank you so much for taking the time out to write it
@@millerman9991 Thank's, one thing I have remembered just now is that discussion around 2k DI's also affects alot of BR's, as film scanning and remastering techniques have gone along way since early uses of the technology. I recently ordered a BR of Irreversible, as it's likely gonna be the best the film will ever look. It was shot on 16mm, scanned and edited at HD and finished at 35mm. So while it looks HD, it never look's Full HD. As the film has alot of CGI and digital effect's, it would be costly and very hard to accurately to do a full restoration of the film.
I actually looked at some screenshot's of the 4k BR of Dog Soldiers online again, and I actually think it look's worse than the BR. The bitrate is really low, so the grain is significantly mushier than the standard release. The main reason why I don't think it caused much of an uproar was because Dog Soldiers has had bad BR after bad BR, from a DVD master that's barely HD to a cinema print because they couldn't find the negative. So the German BR is currently the best release atm, untill Second Sight's remaster.
I do wonder if there's gonna be 4K BR re-releases of alot of films later down the line like there was with BR. The old BR's for Maniac and Henry were woeful compared to their later releases, and there's hundreds of examples, especially recently with so many 4k releases compared to early BR efforts.
The new Dog Soldier 4k Blu-ray looks pretty good
@@awesomereviews1561Keith reviewed the poor German release. The more recent Second Sight 4K release is outstanding in comparison.
I think 28 Days Later belongs on dvd and that's it, adds to the whole vibe a lot
Sad how lazy Disney is with 4k releases
Hey Donald. It seems like there getting worse and worse the more 4K releases they bring out.. it's a real shame
It’s like they are ant their films to look great on D+ but look like shit in 4K discs
I disagree with your take on Gremlins - it’s the best it’s looked, the original was that way due to film stock of the time, so in my book that makes it a good transfer of the original.
Gremlins has a history of poor transfers and I honestly think it continued on to 4k. I found the picture to be lifeless soft and the HDR done little to nothing to improve things. If you stack up gremlins against other 80s movies that came out in 4k you'll probably understand where I was going with it
@@millerman9991 I feel Ghostbusters is a similar case, and from the same year - however my point was that it doesn’t make it a bad transfer if it doesn’t have that “wow” look. In my book a good transfer is a good representation of how the film originally looked.
@@RetroReels it goes without saying that gremlins does look better than the previous Blu-ray. But it doesn't make it a good-looking 4K transfer and that's why it in my top 10. Ghostbusters is another great comparison. Both of them movies are never going to look great on 4k and maybe I should have cut gremlins some slack.
This is great Keith, although you list your 'worst', for me it is more valuable than your best because 4K costs so much money and no one wants to waste money on zero upgrade at all and especially downgrades. My very first 4K was Goodfellas, as you can imagine I just thought 4K was a terrible invention. It wasn't until I saw the original Suspiria on 4K that I realised it's true potential. Any other 4Ks that are really bad, you should do this as a regular video, it's really a valuable informative video and you get my thumbs up:) My only regret is that you had to purchase these 4Ks in the first place but hats off to you for passing on your knowledge. Big fan of your work, great review! 😎👍😎👍💯
Wow. That is the biggest compliment I've got on this video and you're the first person to actually say that and that's why I done this video. Is to make people aware of these poor transfers. I'm sorry to hear that Goodfellas was your first 4K purchase. You must have been demoralised by 4K at that point. But like you said suspiria what a transfer and what a movie. The good thing with my videos now is everytime I review a new 4K release I am going to feature comparisons with the Blu-ray and you will get a good sense of how better the transfer looks over the Blu-ray. Thank you so much for checking out the video and leaving such a kind supportive comment. I really do appreciate it and sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you
I’m just getting into collecting 4k (slightly late I know) I’ve gone a bit nuts in the last few weeks buying stuff up, this video is a bit sobering! Glad none of the discs I bought were on this list, although I did consider getting Henry portrait of a serial killer (which was bloody expensive too!). Anyway, great channel! I’ve subscribed! Thankyou!
Hey Alex. You're never too late when it comes to collecting 4K my friend. We've all gone through that phase at the start where you just keep buying film after film. Great to hear that you didn't pick up anything from this top 10. Henry was shot on 16mm and it was never going to look good. If you have the Blu-ray of it I honestly can't see any upgrades on this 4K release. Thank you so much for coming over and subscribing to my channel and for leaving a comment. I really appreciate it
I've done exactly the same thing. Must have spent about £300 in the last 2 months on 4K disc's. Although I got a German steel book version of T2 and I thought it looked fine. Not sure if it's any different. The sound through my home theatre system was pretty amazing too. I heard bad things about that release like y'man just said before buying it but I was pleasantly surprised.
You should add screen grabs and add them to the video to have a visual representation of what you’re talking about other than that great vid man 😁
Thank you so much for the feedback Jessy. Will definitely look into it next time
Thanks for the amazing intro. Reminds of “assault on precinct 13 “ saw the movie when I was a kid.
It actually is the Assault on Precinct 13 theme song. It's one of my favorite John Carpenter themes. Thanks for stopping by
Glad you have T2 and Goodfellas in there, mate. The latter made me think that 4K blu-ray might actually be a giant con, because like I mentioned before it was one of my very first 4K pickups. Brilliant video - it's really helpful for folks to know what to avoid - I've heard "Pirates of the Caribbean" is a disaster zone but haven't seen it myself.
Hey Dan. It was because of your comment about Goodfellas that actually got this top 10 into my head so thank you for that. Of course it was always going to make my top 10 along with T2. But both of them movies look like masterpieces when you compare them to Olympus Has Fallen. It looks so bad it's borderline funny. You have to see it to believe it. Thankfully I have wizened up when it comes to my 4K pickups and that's why I haven't gone near Pirates of the Caribbean. Disney again need I say anymore
Really interesting video Keith and although it's unlikely I'd have picked up any of these anyway (bar one), it's good to be able to see which stinkers to avoid. Weirdly, I actually watched Suicide Squad just before I saw your post and I didn't think it was that bad. Very dark, but I wondered if that was the filmmakers intent? The colours looked nice and bright and sharp. I'll have to check out the blu-ray to see how wrong I am! 😀 Anyway, keep up the good work. Your videos are always shining a light on releases I didn't know existed!
Hey Andy the one thing I probably should have said in this video when it comes to these 4K transfers is everyone's going to have a different opinion on these transfers because everyone's equipment is different. I have an OLED TV and a lot of the suicide squads black levels look very grey and it's all down to the HDR. But when you do compare the Blu-ray to the 4K release you will see little to no difference in my opinion. But I would love to hear your thoughts on if you ever do get around to looking at the Blu-ray. Thank you so much Andy for coming over and checking out my video and for leaving such a beautiful kind supportive comment. You have no idea how much that means to me and I really do appreciate it
@@millerman9991 Well, I watched the first 10 mins and the blu-ray wasn't as dark as the 4K, for sure. Strange why that should be. Maybe it's part of the HDR process. Anyway, cheers again for the video Keith👍
Great list and review. I am glad I dodged Henry and waited for second sight’s release of dog soldiers. I have fortunately not got most of the discs on your list.
Hey Paul. I honestly cannot wait to get my hands on dog Soldiers from second sight. Now I know it's not going to be one of them movies that's going to look ultrasharp but I know they will do something far better than this piece of crap that i have. You are very fortunate not to have many of these in the collection.
Hi Keith, T2 I actually always watch my Skynet edition of on Blu-ray over this 4k you shown which honestly was the release that turned me off from 4k physical media. Gremlins doesn't surprise me but I feel that it probably couldn't ever look great without becoming a DNR mess, Henry honestly doesn't surprise me as it's so far a stretch for 4k , a low budget movie that if expect just a decent enough blu-ray of. Goodfellas no surprise either as I feel no blu-ray release is anything more than acceptable. Phantom menace doesn't even deserve a physical media release 🤣
The most surprising title on this list to me is Iron man as for me I remember the Blu-ray being a major selling point for me on the format.
Fantastic video mate and a real eye opener.
That's actually a great point that you made when I came to gremlins. It's just one of those movies that's never going to look great and like you said if they applied DNR and try to sharpen it a bit they would almost ruin it even more. So maybe I should have cut gremlins a bit of slack. T2 on 4k need I say anymore. Unfortunately Ironman has a lot of DNR applied to the picture. It can be misleading but when you look carefully it's there to be seen. It wouldn't be a top 10 worst transfers if I didn't throw in a Star Wars movie and it just had to be Phantom Menace. Crap transfer for a crap movie. Thanks so much Dan for checking out the video my friend. I would love to see you do a video very similar just to see what you would come up with
Hi Keith, have seen all of them bar the top 3 but luckily I only have 3 of the others in 4k. A good informative video as always 👍
Hey John. Great to hear that you don't have many of these on 4k and hopefully I might have saved you a couple of quid. I have to admit Olympus is falling is a fun movie and I definitely recommend checking it out for the movie not the 4K. As always thanks again John on for coming over and checking out the video. I can always rely on you my friend
@@millerman9991 Cheers Keith always enjoy your videos 👍
Thank you Keith - I have had such a good laugh watching this. Great entertainment. I think the worst I have is Gemini Man but that's for different reasons. The Hunt For Red October is probably up there though.
John.
Thank you so much John I really appreciate that. I completely understand why Gemini man is your worst. But the only reason why i didn't enter it into my top 10 is because the 4K resolution is so evident and the HDR colours are fantastic. It's the 60 frames that letting it down. If you remove the 60 frames it will look phenomenal. The Hunt for Red October was just a black mess.
@@millerman9991 If I ever do a ten worst I expect my pick of Gemini Man will cause a lot of upset. I think it's a generational thing and if you've grown up playing computer games then you are more likely to like the look of Gemini Man. But I bet it looked amazing at 120fps in 3D so as much as I can't stand the look of the 4K disc I suspect I might really appreciate a big screen 3D screening. And I don't much care for 3D normally.
John.
To be honest John I wouldn't say Gemini man would be an unpopular choice. I know everyone seems to hate the 60 frames that comes with that release and I found it to be unbelievably distracting as well. I would have loved to have seen a version of it where it didn't have the 60 frames because I honestly think it could be one of the best looking movies out there on the format if it wasn't for that. Never mind that the movie itself was complete crap
@@millerman9991 There is no way of correcting it because the motion blur just isn't there. In normal vision we're seeing at about 24fps so real life has motion blur and that I think is why Gemini Man looks more like a video game rather than a film. It isn't the best movie ever made anyway so it's all rather academic really. I also think it may have had the much maligned digital noise reduction applied to it just to help it look even more unrealistic. There are some adverts that look similar in that regard so it's possibly directors and video editors being clever and applying noise reduction to make a production look a little surreal.
John.
Deja vu, I actually watched this video the day I’m not sure if it was uploaded in error or it was a fault with TH-cam. Great video Keith and there is some great movies on here that deserved way more.
Apologies for that. For some strange reason TH-cam released it to the public a couple of days ago without me knowing about it. I always had it scheduled for today and for some strange reason it came out a couple of days ago. But thankfully I was able to take it down. It actually happened again tonight I have Beverly Hills Cop video coming out this week and they released it without me knowing. Thankfully I was able to get to that in time. Really need to look into this and find out why it's happening.
@@millerman9991 I was over the moon at the time you’d spoiled us with 3 videos in one night lol 😂 I actually saw the Beverly Hills cop 2 video too, but didn’t watch it before you took it down lol 😂
I am so sorry. The Beverly Hills Cop video should be out Friday. Decent transfer on that 4k
@@millerman9991 not a problem Keith, just me being greedy for decent content lol 😂 every week I wait eagerly for you and John to drop some content for me to consume lol 😂
I have to tell you that means a lot to me and I'm sure it means a lot 2 John as well. It feels like I'm doing something right and it's always great to get clarification
Thanks a lot for this informative video. I was about to purchase Goodfellas on 4K..now I decided to buy the standard blu ray version.
Thank you for taking the time to check it out. Honestly if you can pick up the Blu-ray of Goodfellas I think that's the way to go. You are getting little to no upgrade with the 4K release. It's such a shame because the movie itself is an absolute masterpiece and it deserves better
Can not agree more on the German Dog soldiers release. i remember putting the blu-ray on, which was from the same release, and thought there is no difference what so ever. Like you said Keith, and others, Second sight release will no doubt be better. I have been following their updates regarding the restoration and boy they have been putting a lot of time and effort into this project. I have pre-ordered my copy which is due for release on the 26/07/2022. Keep those wonderful videos coming Keith, love it.
Hey Keith thank you so much for coming over and checking out my video and for the kind and supportive words. If you could only see my face when I knocked on the 4K release of dog Soldiers from Germany. I never seen anything as poor as it. I am a huge fan of second sight and I really don't have many complaints about their releases and it's also great to hear that there seemed to be putting in a lot of work to get this movie looking pristine. Hopefully it will be the version that us fans have been waiting for. I have my edition pre-order and I suppose we will have to wait and see.
Great video Keith. Will be avoiding Olympus trilogy for sure. Hope they bring a better version of T2 out which it deserves. Take care
Hey Jordan. Thank you so much for coming over and checking out my top 10. Trust me when I say stay away from Olympus Has Fallen. I honestly never seen anything like it when it comes to 4k. I would love to see a new version of T2 but I can't see it happening anytime soon. Its a real shame
Finally, a reviewer who vindicates my opinions of a lot of 4K's I have. Many of my friends poo-poo these negative opinions, instead going along with the 'paid for' reviews put out by many channels.
Hey Ron. Thank you so much for the vote of confidence. I am that kind of person who calls it as it is. I honestly can't say anything positive about this top 10 and I'm hoping that people will see this as a bit of a warning to stay away from these 4k releases. I honestly think there should be a certain standard that these companies should hit before these movies get a 4K release. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and that will never happen. Thank you so much for stopping by and checking out the video
Thanks for this video! You confirmed to my that olympus has fallen was a bad 4k transfer. when i was watching london and angel has fallen the picture was much better and natural. great video!
It's amazing sometimes when it comes to 4k. You know you're looking at a poor 4K transfer but sometimes u need confirmation from someone else to confirm it. It's a terrible looking release but thankfully the sequels are nowhere near as bad. Thanks so much for checking out the video
Great stuff. It's a shame about the T2 release as the 3D conversion wasn't all that brilliant anyway. Loving the Mayan Eddie on the shelf there!
I have T2 on 3D and I never got around to watching it. It's a shame to hear that the 3D isn't all that special. Yeah the Eddie bust I just pick up recently. Looks fantastic sitting in the background. Thanks for checking out the video my friend
@@millerman9991 I mean, it's worth a watch, particularly since you already have it. It's just not on the same level as the Jurassic Park legacy conversion though. Dear old Eddie: I hope he lives on when the band finally calls it a day (no time soon I hope, I thought Senjutsu was great). Anyway, excellent channel, subbed. Cheers buddy.
So upset they totally f**ked the Terminator 2 4k
It's absolutely heartbreaking. Hopefully they will give us a proper 4K transfer for it sometime in the future.
What would you say it's the best transfer of Terminator 2? There isn't one single blu ray, I think
I have a steelbook edition on Blu-ray and I think it looked okay but I cannot remember what studio brought it out. It's always had a poor showing on physical Media
Never looked good neither on DVD or Blu Ray.
Fantastic video and thoughts. I think at this point, the kit you have really starts to matter, like having a great TV really makes a difference. I'm sure most people here have spent good money on a good set up, but can imagine those who haven't forked out for a Dolby Vision compatible TV finding themselves underwhelmed by the format. It's one you've really got to invest in, and god it ain't cheap!
The Indies are doing god's work here for sure . Blue Underground for example have produced some of the best looking 4K discs I've seen and these are indie restorations of old b-movies!
On a side note, I've been caught out a couple of occasions having watched half a film and thought, this just looks like a Blu-ray! But then realising the auto selection on my TV/player hadn't switched on the HDR for some reason, I restarted the player and suddenly the image clarity and colours popping is on another level. I'm sure that's just my setup, but bloody annoying when it happens!
To be honest when it comes to Dolby Vision I'm not sure if I'm entirely convinced of it when you compare it to HDR. I find it hard sometimes to tell the difference and that's why I don't really promote it too much in my videos. Not taking anything away from it because a lot of my dolby vision 4K releases that I have look great. It's just they probably would have looked great with HDR aswell.
I'm embarrassed to say that I do not own a single blue underground release. But I have a friend that owns them all when it comes to 4K and every single one of them apparently look amazing. I'm just waiting for the day that someone sells a bulk of them on eBay and hopefully I can pick them up.
I know there is a few Blu-ray players out there where you have to activate the Dolby vision or HDR which I find absolutely ridiculous. There is nothing worse than watching a movie halfway through and then you realise that HDR is not on.
@@millerman9991 thanks man. Yeah, I guess the Dolby Vision is supposed to give you a more accurate HDR grading per scene as the director intended, rather than the one grading applied wholesale, which is what the standard HDR does. But I will say I have seen trailers for movie on TH-cam in HDR that made me go "Wow" why didn't it look that good on my Blu-ray player in Dolby Vision?! But whether that is an accurate interpretation of how the movie was actually intended to look is another thing.
I'm also mega excited to see how Dog Soliders looks when that comes out!
I would be incredibly surprised if Second Sight screw up this transfer of dog Soldiers. I am a huge fan of second sight and they have never let me down before and fingers crossed they don't now.
Great video ! Love your choice of words! You made me laugh quite a bit! Very useful too. Subscribing now! 🙂
Hey Raphael. That is incredibly kind of you to say and thank you so much for the sub. Really means a lot to me. All the best my friend
Everything Disney brings out doesn't meet my standards regarding audio and video, such a shame. I'm still going to buy 4k discs instead of using Disney + though. Gremlins deserves a better release in the future and T2 as well. Great video Keith and thanks for reminding me how many crappy 4k discs I own. 😁
Hey Sebastian I absolutely agree with you when it comes to Disney. The bulk of their releases look very poor whether it's audio or picture. But just like you I will not pay for Disney Plus. I would sooner have their crappy 4KS physically than stream them. I had a feeling you might own a few of these and apologies for reminding you. Have a good one my friend
Hi keith great video as always. If you decide to watch one of these films do you now put the blu ray on. Or are some of these still better than the blu but not as good 4k should be.
That actually is a very good question. I think it varies to be completely honest. Dog Soldiers I only had on DVD so naturally I would probably watch this one. Olympus Has Fallen without question you would knock on the Blu-ray. As for the likes of gremlins Ironman and The Phantom Menace I will probably stick with the 4K as well.
@@millerman9991 this is a massive problem I have when trying to spread my budget. The problem is when I just buy the blu ray I always in the back of my mind think I am not watching this in the best Quality. Keep up the amazing channel m8.
I completely understand what you're saying Ellery. I'm exactly like that as well. If there is a film that has come out from screen factory that I can't get my hands on 4k I refuse to watch the Blu-ray until I can get the 4k. It's a weird issue with me and maybe I shouldn't be that way. Blu-ray is a great format and we shouldn't forget that
@@millerman9991 completely agree Keith.
Handy video Keith and great to see it doing so well! 👍👌😃 I think our taste is similar re. PQ so i’ll definitely heed ur advice with some of these. Gonna blind buy dog soldiers second sight release i think, def avoid that german one! 🥴 Also fancied Henry too as never seen but will just look for it on on streaming or an old blu ray if a bit shit lol been swaying over star wars 4ks too as have OG blu rays but u’ve convinced me to save my money. I like saving money so thank you 🤑😂
Thank you so much for coming over and checking out the video my friend. I honestly don't know how this video done as well as it did and it's got a very good response which is always great. I have faith in second sight and I'm sure they will do a great job on dog Soldiers. The only thing I will say is dog Soldiers was shot in 16mm so don't expect a pin sharp picture. But it should be miles ahead of the edition I have here. Henry I hated every minute of that movie. Definitely not for me. But don't let me put you off it. Check it out for yourself and see what you think
Great vid Keith, I really wish James Cameron would pull his head out from Avatar to sort out his back catalogue especially T2.
I couldn't agree more with you. It's still hard to believe that even though we're in the 4K age we still don't have Blu-ray releases for the abyss or True Lies. Absolutely ridiculous and you question whether or not we will ever get them. To obsessed with Avatar
Very interesting and informative video, Keith. Thanks. Almost makes me want to buy Olympus has Fallen to see how bad it is. Don't worry, I said "almost".
Do it Patrick you know you want to. At least now I know what to get you for your birthday or Christmas 😆 🤣. You will not believe how bad this movie looks. It's alright me talking about it but you have to see it to believe it. Thanks so much for coming over and checking out the video Patrick. I hope you're doing well my friend
@@millerman9991 That would actually be a fantastic prank. Every movie and physical media enthousiast should buy a whole stack of 4k Blu-rays of Olympus has Fallen and just gift them to anyone on every possible occasion. Christmas, birthday, wedding, childbirth, starting a new job, retirement, buying a new house. It doesn't matter, just give them a 4k Blu-ray of Olympus has Fallen. Let's make this release the best-selling 4k Blu-ray ever.
Now that is a plan. Imagine you going over to a friend's house and giving them a childbirth gift of Olympus Has Fallen on 4K Blu-ray. I can only imagine the wife's face. I can't even write this comment I'm laughing so hard. Number one in the 4K charts for the 10th week in a row Olympus Has Fallen
@@millerman9991 By doing so, everyone will have a 4k Blu-ray copy of Olympus has Fallen in its possession before the end of the year. They will all see what a "terrible format" 4k Blu-ray is, so sales will fall tremendously, except for Olympus has Fallen of course, which we just keep on buying. End result: Because of our prank, you and me are the two people responsible for the early death of 4k Blu-ray. The only 4k Blu-ray still being sold will be Olympus has Fallen.
Really useful video, especially as many great second hand blu rays are available for pennies. There is no doubt in my mind that some films really aren't worth (re)buying in 4k
Hey James. Thank you so much for checking out my video and for the kind words of support. Nowadays I'm a lot more careful when it comes to 4k. I do a bit more homework before purchasing.
Hey there, great video.
I am also a collector and recently came across your channel. Will absolutely be watching your stuff going forward.
I wanted to comment briefly on the LE Arrow release of Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer. This copy of the film is a triple dip for me as I own both the original MPI Blu ray, the 30rh anniversary remaster from MPI/Dark Sky from 2016, and now this 4k release from Arrow.
The film is not a pretty one due to its budget and I also think David Naughton intended this. That being said, in comparison to the two previous Blu rays, the new 4k is phenomenal. When this was announced I was somewhat concerned they were going to heavily DNR & EE the film to artificially give it that smooth look and sharp edging.
Arrow did not disappoint, the remaster they did is just about perfect, retaining all the film grain and preserving the film makers original vision, and comparing them side the other 2 bd releases there is no comparison.
Henry is not a pretty film and that is by design.
Hey Adam thanks so much for coming over and checking out my video. I really appreciate it.
I have to admit I just recently got hold of a Blu-ray of this movie and honestly I can't see much of a difference in upgrades if I'm completely honest and that's the issue I have with this 4K transfer. I felt everything they accomplished with this transfer could have easily been accomplished on Blu-ray. Maybe a 4K master instead of a 4K edition. There is no question that the movie is ugly and it's all down to the fact that it was shot in 16 mm. But when I compare that to other 16mm movies like the Evil Dead or Maniac on 4K there is a Night and Day difference over those movies to this and unfortunately that's why I have it in this top 10.
Pirates of the Caribbean curse of the black pearl was so bad I immediately ejected the disc and sold it back to my local store.
Thankfully I never purchased Pirates of the Caribbean On 4k. From what I've been hearing it sounds awful. I'm sure it would have been in this top 10 if I actually owned it.
great video i was shocked with some of the list but as i not seen any 4k at all i am happy you made this list so people know how bad they can be
Hey Danny you're the first person to comment on why I done this top 10. To make people aware of how poor these are and when you do get around to getting your 4K setup I hope you remember this video and save yourself some money. Thank you so much Danny. I honestly hope it helps
@@millerman9991 ill will it helps a lot
Thanks Keith. Good to know what not to waste money on. To be fair there was only a couple I had considered anyway. Gremlins and Goodfellas were the main ones and considered them in the HMV sale. Dodged a bullet cheers mate 👍
It's amazing Chris because out of this top 10 it was gremlins and Goodfellas that kills me the most when it comes to the 4K transfers. 2 phenomenal movies that deserve so much better and this is what we have to live with. If you have the Blu-ray of Goodfellas you are getting no upgrade. Gremlins on 4K does look better than the Blu-ray but it's still not saying a whole lot. Thanks for checking it out Chris
@@millerman9991 haha. Great minds think alike. Gutted about them. The rest I can live without apart from T2 but thats the one everybody warns you off so Ive already come to terms with it. Lol
Hi Keith, regarding Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer did you receive your replacement disc from Arrow yet and is it any improvement?
I haven't ordered my replacement disc yet. So unfortunately I'm not sure if there has been an improvement. For Arrows sake there better be
@@millerman9991 If you bought it from their website they are sending them out automatically. It's only if you bought it somewhere else like Amazon that you need to send them a copy of the receipt. The picture quality is supposed to be even worse on the bluray version. I think it was only an audio issue with the 4K if so that's very disappointing.
@@millerman9991 Arrow sent an email out a couple of days ago stating that replacement discs for Henry will be shipped by the 13th June if not before. I will let you know when the replacement disc is delivered to me then you can request a disc for yourself 👍👍👍
@@bonzodog6872 I doubt that there is any improvement what it comes to picture quality, guess they just changed the scenes in correct order. Source material is what it is, just like with Texas Chain Saw Massacre: only subtle improvements comparing to Blu Ray, if any.
I honestly couldn't have said it any better. You are absolutely spot-on
hi Keith , as you say these are your top 10 worst , do you think it could be the quality of the equipment used ?. i know you chat to other you tubers, how about getting opinions of others with different equipment perhaps the quality is improved or made worse , i would be interested to know which player or tv plays the best .
Hey Thomas. That is a fantastic point you just made and I honestly should have said that in the video. Of course equipment is always going to come into play when it comes to 4K transfers. The one thing I will say is the bulk of this top 10 the transfers have a lot of dnr and no matter how good your equipment is it is never going to improve these movies. They're always going to look poor especially with DNR been used. Me personally I have one of the finest OLED TVs out there as well as one of the best 4K Blu-ray players so I'm very confident in this top 10. But again I have to say Thomas that is a very good point you made and I really appreciate you leaving this comment
On a related note, the worst 4k transfer I've ever seen in any medium is Seinfeld on Netflix, it manages to look worse than even the SD version of the show, in some ways.
I had no idea Seinfeld was 4K on Netflix. I think when it comes to shows like Seinfeld there's only so much they can do when it comes to picture quality. But I never thought it would look worse than the SD version. A real shame
@@millerman9991 Well, the sharpness of details *might* be better than SD, and HD, but I never really noticed because the overall look of the show is sort of a weirdly dark color and is grainy to boot.
Nice Assault on Precinct 13 intro music
Thank you so much for stopping by and checking it out
Introductory precinct tune = like. Good video. Cheers.
Best way to watch the Marvel films was 3d until my tv died.
Thank you so much doug. I agree with you when it comes to watching the Marvel movies in 3D and thankfully my 3d TV is still working but I'm dreading the day when it does die on me
@@millerman9991 I wish mine still worked. It had the active 3d. Best I'd ever seen.
Currently slumming it with a 2d Panasonic oled. 3d on that would be some sight.
I'll check out your other videos. Cheers.
The phantom menace was shot with early digital cameras in 1080p, so no 4K is possible, only an upsacle which is what they've done here.
To be honest it's nothing to do with the 4k upscale. It's the DNR that was applied to the picture that looks horrendous
This statement is inaccurate. The Phantom Menace was not shot with digital cameras. It was actually the last Star Wars movie to be shot on 35mm film. Attack of the Clones was actually the first Star Wars movie to be shot with digital cameras. The fact that Phantom Menace was shot in 35mm, had the potential to be a great 4K transfer-unfortunately it was just a lazy effort.
Disney usually does a bad job with 4K transfer
Interesting video. With regards to your comments around Dog Soldiers and second sight sorting it all out. What I'd say to that is wait and see, I believe it could be down to the film elements available, but if you think the German 4k release is bad, have a look at it against the Scream factory Blu Ray. The difference is staggering. The German release is jaw dropping in comparison. So can it get better, hopefully, is that a definite, I don't think it is.
Hey Andy. That's a valid point you made and the only reason why I mentioned second sight in this video is because everything that they do on 4k looks stunning in my opinion and I have complete faith they can do something quite brilliant with this movie. I am well aware that the movie itself has limitations when it comes to picture quality but hopefully second sight can get the best out of it. Time will tell
hi there how many box sets do you i oticed you have the hitchcock collection behind you which looks amazing would love to see what box sets you have have a great week
Hey Clive. Honestly I've lost count how many box sets I do have behind me or in this room. I will leave a link to my movie room if you want to check it out.
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I'm pretty new to the whole Blu Ray vs DVD thing, so I'm curious; when you say that movies like T2 and Goodfellas look bad on Blu Ray and 4K, are they still better looking than their DVD counterparts or are they actually worse than DVD?
Having most of these in 4K (except Dog Soldiers), they are all better than the DVD releases. In a few cases (Iron Man and *definitely* T2 in my opinion) existing Blu Ray releases may deliver a picture quality that overall is superior.
Hey Jackson. The comments that Bruce left is absolutely spot-on. Every single one of these movies in this top-10 look far better than there DVD counterparts. When it comes to Blu-ray that's a completely different story altogether. Some of them might be a bit better than the Blu-rays but a lot of them I honestly couldn't recommend picking up on 4k.
@@millerman9991 Alright, thank you!
No problem
That’s terrible as we spend our hard earned cash 💰 many thanks for sharing your input
Hey Raymond. No problem at all and thank you for coming over and checking it out.
Awesome reviews. Keep it up.
Wow very kind of you to say and thank you so much for taking the time to stop by and check it out
When you said Dog Soldier I thought it was the second sight version (which I own) and it looks very good.
I have the second sight version of dog Soldiers and as you said it looks absolutely fantastic. I can't say the same for the version I showed in this video. Horrendous
Keith, in your opinion, what's the best Blu-ray of T2.
I have the steelbook skynet addition?
Also I'm assuming from what you've said here, it wont be worth upgrading to 4k as there won't be any improvement?.
Keep up the good work, you're doing a great job.
Hey James. You just answered your own question my friend. The Steelbook Skynet edition is by far the best. Do not waste your money on the 4K release. Just check every review on 4K for Terminator 2 and you will see that it's universally hated. Thank you so much James for coming over and checking out this video and for such incredibly kind and supportive words. You have no idea how much that means to me
I'm not Keith, but if you want the best release of T2 get the 2015 Lionsgate Films release from the U.S. Gone is much of the DNR that plagued the Skynet Editions.
@@IaintheSlyFox Cheers, that's great info, I'll check it out.
@@jamestrex Just noticed it is a region A locked disc, but if you have a region free player it's worth it.
@@IaintheSlyFox No problem my oppo has the region mod., in it. 👍
Hye a question non related to the video, which was good by the way, do you have the evil dead 4k groovy edition if yes can you tell me if there are some french subtitles on the movies ? thanks. Because i cant find the 1 and 2 in 4k at reasonnable price in France..so i am trying on the US/UK market..
Hey Dan thank you so much for checking out the video. Unfortunately I never got around to picking up the 4K groovy edition. But I didn't go onto blu-ray.com and I can confirm that the first Evil Dead has no French subtitles but the rest of them do. I hope that helps you out
@@millerman9991 a lot thanks
I would love to hear your top ten best. Alien on 4K is simply mind blowing, especially on OLED TV. I just ordered escape from NY from shout factory... Can't wait
I can tell you now if I do my top 10 chances are alien will be in there and like you said looks extraordinary on an OLED TV. I would love to hear your thoughts on escape from New York. I just recently got one from shout factory myself and the new Dolby Atmos is mind-blowing. You're in for a treat my friend
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Just catching up on one of your older videos mate 😊 What a shame about 'DOG SOLDIERS', it's such a great film. I'll hafta look and see which print I have since you mentioned here a year ago that hopefully Second Sight was going to do a version of it. I just checked and since I don't of course have 4k I have the Koch Media Blu-ray. So, since you said that this German 4k print is so bad, I'm assuming if it is from Koch Media, that the Blu-ray must also be pretty bad. I'll see if there is a standard Blu-ray release from Second Sight by now. If you know, please if you have a moment, let me know if there is a halfway decent 1080 release of this film at all, thanks!
Yeah I have to admit second sight really have delivered when It came to dogs soldiers and it's 4K transfer. As a matter of fact I would go as far as to say it was a revelation especially when you stack it up against that horrible release that I have in my top 10. If you're looking for a good Blu-ray version of dogs soldiers you're probably better off picking up the 4K second second sight release because you get a Blu-ray with that version and they done a wonderful job on it as well. As far as I'm aware i don't think they brought out a separate Blu-ray release. I hope that helps you out
@@millerman9991 Yes, thank you very much! I need to future-proof my antiquated system anyway for the day when my Plasma finally dies 😁 I think I've actually bought 2 4k films. I THINK one was the original 'TOTAL RECALL' because it also came with a remastered Blu-ray for about $10. I have one other one, but I can't remember what it is...
I don't think any harm can come from picking it up as you said future proof your collection and you'll be well set up whenever you do decide to cross over to 4k.
@@millerman9991 Yessir!
@@millerman9991Wait a second... Apparently Shout Factory also did a 4k version last year, did you know about that? I'm looking into some reviews now, but I'm wondering how the SF print compares...?
A year ago I purchased a 4k player and returned it the day after. For one thing because I didn't realize my Home Cinema could only work with a blu-ray player but mainly because I tried several movies from different decades and none really impressed me. I noted slight improvements but not worth the money of having to get a new Home Cinema. Maybe in a couple of years from now...
Besides, some old movies with miniatures and the like look worse on 4k because they are a bit more noticeable and break the illusion and some CGI-laden films from lately really look somewhat cartoonish. Like videogames.
Hi Keith, just following up a comment i made sometime ago regarding the shocking 4k release of Dog Soldiers. Well i have just watched Second sights new release, and oh boy are you in for a treat. They have done it yet again, and knocked it out the ball park. Look forward to hear what you think. Keith.
Hey Keith. Now that is music to my ears and I knew second sight would do a fantastic job on this release and thank you so much for getting back to me and let me know. I'm hoping to have mine next week and I cannot wait to see it. Even more so now.
I had a good laugh about your picks. And hell yeah, the Dog Soldiers transfer is beyond awful. But this edition has become highly sought after and you have to admit that the Blu-ray transfer is the best quality to get - until the Second Sight Films release drops. Have you seen the Shout Factory transfer of Dog Soldiers? 😂 This one is even worse looking than an old vhs tape. 🤣 Sometimes you really wonder who's in charge of things at big studios. Greetz from Germany, Basti
I have not seen the Blu-ray release from scream factory of dog Soldiers but I've heard horror stories about it. I know a lot of people out there say that this is the best that dog soldiers has ever looked but it's still does it make it a great 4K transfer and that's why I had to put it into this top 10. It has no HDR either which is an absolute killer. I know second sight are going to do something remarkable with this movie and it's 4K transfer and I cannot wait to see it. Hopefully it will be the definitive edition of it
Hi I please can you tell me if the blu-ray of Dog Soldiers is any better than the 4K Cheers Brian
Hey Brian. It depends on which 4K release you are talking about because the second sight edition the 4K looks absolutely remarkable. The Blu-ray that you get inside this edition that I show in the video looks very poor as well. It's actually worse than the 4k
Hello sir,great video,my worst 4k movies i seen are,Terminator 2,Robocop 1,Dirty Dancing,sadly some 4k movies dont get restoration,just moved to 4k disc,what a shame,to make a old movie looks great in 4k they must own original copy not transfer from blue ray,look on Predator or 10 commandments how great they look in 4k
Hey Adrian. I haven't seen RoboCop on 4K but I have seen reviews on it and it's one of those things where people don't seem to want to say they were disappointed with it when you can clearly see they are and that's why I never picked it up. Dirty Dancing is such a shame but having said that there is a significant improvement over the previous Blu-ray. As a matter of fact I done a video on it and you can clearly see the difference. But I was really underwhelmed by it. It just didn't translate to 4k unfortunately and there is a lot of movies out there that will never look good on 4k.
@@millerman9991 i agree with you in 100%,thank you for reply,what tv you own if i can ask,thanks
I own an 65" OLED LG CX model. Honestly I think it's one of the best OLED TVs out there
I bought Henry a few weeks ago I think I'll be taking it to cex for a trade in while its worth something lol
I wasn't expecting the old tv format was it a tv movie??
Hey Jeff. I'm thinking about doing the same thing myself. I was so disappointed how this movie looked and to be honest I wasn't the biggest fan of the movie when I seen it. Unfortunately they all can't be winners
I read you comment WAYYYY WRONG. I thought you were saying sex trade 😱😱😂😂😂👍🏾
Just watch the 4K transfer of "Superman - The Movie" (1978). At times, iit's just so bad that I recently heard they decided to re-release it when all the other 3 sequels will come out in 4K later in 2023.
Bear in mind when it comes to Superman on 4K the first reel of this movie is apparently in bad shape and that's why the first 30 minutes of this movie on 4K looks very underwhelming. But when you watch the rest of the movie there is a marked improvement and I have to admit I enjoyed the 4K transfer on this one. But if it is true and they are re releasing it I am all for that as well. Any improvements that can be made is welcome in my book
I thought they would have made every effort to make any movie from the Star Wars franchise, decent 4k quality. Interesting upload, thanks Keith.
You and me both my friend. As soon as I heard about Star Wars getting released I thought instantly they were going to look phenomenal. How wrong was I
The original trilogy looks pretty good to me IMO. there aren't any other SW films other than the original trilogy ;)
I absolutely agree with you. The prequels are hit-and-miss as are the latest trilogy. The franchise deserves better
I find your views regarding Gremlins interesting. Unfortunately I haven't watched the UHD, or any UHD disc in fact, so I can only speak based on captures/screenshots that are converted from HDR to SDR, but still: The Gremlins UHD looks pretty solid to me with improved/more natural colors, grain hasn't been scrubbed away and it _does_ have more detail as well.
Agree with Iron Man, and the Bourne movies as a similar offender, where the Blu-ray really seems to be better, the Star Wars Trilogy (too much EE especially and a bit too much DNR, looking too artificial) and GoodFellas (black crushing, blueish-reddish tint for colors). Also share your take on old movies shot on 16mm or so, that don't benefit from the 4K resolution and don't get an HDR pass or where it doesn't make much difference - don't see the reason to spend that money when a standard Blu-ray will give me the same experience, given that it got a good encode, seems like a money grab.
Now, I kinda agree with T2 as well, given that I have held out buying a UHD and am more content watching the dated Blu-ray with its known flaws, but it's not completely bad to deserve the "Worst UHD" title IMO - there are quite some scenes that show remarkable detail/resolution I'd say, so I think the scanning & restoration has been great, but the mastering is the only culprit, or the DNR primarily. And it's really a bummer considering how popular and acclaimed this movie is. I still hope we'll see a remastered version with much less DNR, maybe for the 35th Anniversary; still some way to go. There's also some incentive for having the extended scenes remastered I think, where this could be revised while at it. Would probably still come with the color timing changes that I'm not exactly happy with, but I think one can get used to it.
I would probably add Batman Begins to the list, to the first half. I really like the movie, but the red push leading to unhealthy flesh tones in combination with too much DNR at times makes me stay away from it and hope for a remaster in the future. What is your take on that one, how does the HDR work there?
Hey Dennis. It's been a while since I sat down and watched Batman Begins on 4k but I do remember being completely underwhelmed by it. You're absolutely spot-on there was a lot of DNR and the colours look a little saturated if I remember correctly. Looked nothing near as good as the Dark Knight or Rises. Again I'm just going off memory. The one thing I never think to mention in my videos and I really need to start doing it. Everyone is going to have a different viewing experience when it comes to 4K and it's all down to equipment. I'm watching on a flagship OLED TV and and maybe what I'm seeing is a lot more noticeable than what your average viewer would see. But a lot of this top 10 there is no denying how poor there transfers are. But that's just one man's opinion 😆 🤣
It's good that you mentioned Goodfellas on your list Keith. I have a similar problem with Martin Sorcese's "Casino" 4K release. - Just too damn gritty - and that is the problem in my opinion. Have you already got Casino 4k in your collection? And if so what is your opinion of the PQ at the least? By the way, just watched "Howard The Duck" 4K yesterday and I have to say the transfer and sound are phenomenal - easily the best 4k release I have ever seen, literally no issues with that release.
Hey Josh I had no idea that casino had similar issues. I'm actually sick because I thought that movie was supposed to be decent in 4k. So as you can tell I do not own this movie yet on 4k and I was waiting to get a filmarena edition of it. But if the 4K transfer is lacking I don't think I'll bother. Great to hear about Howard the Duck in 4k. It's amazing isn't it Howard the Duck gets a phenomenal 4K transfer and yet Goodfellas and casino look terrible. Makes no sense at all
@@millerman9991 Well, I think I'll watch Casino again just to make sure about any "issues". Will get back to you after a re-watch Keith. It's sad Goodfellas had a bad transfer was really looking forward to obtaining the 4K of that.
@@millerman9991 Hey Keith. Re-watched Casino 4K today and the transfer was actually very good. I don't know why I originally criticized the transfer -maybe I'm not getting enough sleep - lol. Now, seeing it again, I can safely say you won't have much issues from Casino 4K, but I know different countries could possibly have different transfers. Yeah, give it a go. Still disappointed about Goodfellas in your "bad" category. Oh well.
Hey Josh thank you so much for getting back to me about casino. The world makes sense again. I've been desperately trying to get a filmarena edition of it and I will definitely look into it now. Thanks again my friend. Really appreciate it
@@millerman9991 casino looks very good in 4k ,very nice transfer
I see (and hear, haha) that you're on the other side of the pond. I've to ask, because in the past with DVD and Bluray, european version sometime used different source and encodes. I know that for some titles it's often recommended to shop around to find the optimal version.
I think it's very different nowadays because every 4K release is region free so chances are it's the same transfers worldwide. I completely understand where you're coming from when it came to DVD and Blu-ray but I don't think this is the case
Glad someone was finally honest about the Star Wars 4Ks. The original trilogy SHOULD have some grain, but unfortunately they scrubbed all the detail & life out of the picture. The 2011 Blu Rays are still the best Star Wars has ever looked
Hey Dan. I probably should have put the original trilogy into this top-10 as well because they look terrible. But the Phantom Menace just looks that little bit worse. I can't believe this is the best we can get when it comes to 4K and Star Wars. Disney are so unreliable when it comes to 4k.
@@millerman9991 Agreed, Phantom Menace was also shot on film and should have grain. In regards to it being the worst of the Star Wars 4K transfers, I think there’s something about the source for that movie that makes the background look very soft, especially in the Naboo scenes with those grassy plains.
I think it’s because it was during the early days of CGI, so Lucas was still figuring out how to make computer generated environments look good. I actually thought Revenge of the Sith looked excellent in 4K, but it was the only Star Wars transfer that really impressed me.
I just watched Attack of the Clones last night and I have to admit it looked a hell of a lot better on 4K than The Phantom Menace. Like you said he seemed to have I won't say perfected generating environments but it does look a hell of a lot better than The Phantom Menace. There seems to be a lot more detail with it as well when it comes to close up facial details. But let's face it we did not buy this collection for the likes of Attack of the Clones and The Phantom Menace. I don't hate these movies don't get me wrong but it was the original trilogy that Drew me to this collection. It's a shame that this is the best we can get
Which is saying a lot because the 2011 blu-rays suuuuuuuuuuuucked
@@lunaracc914 How so? Just curious to get your opinion cuz I thought they looked pretty good with the exception of Phantom Menace
I would also add Satan's skin and Hellraiser IV, it's just an upscale from Blu-ray with some heavy DNR. The original Hellraiser (1987) came out in 4K in Germany, I'm not sure if it's a real 4K transfer? I've seen Iron Man 4K in Dolby Vision, it looked pretty good...
Hey Bruce. Thanks for the heads up on both of them movies and rest assured I will stay away from them. Unfortunately Iron Man has massive DNR problems. A lot of those Marvel movies have DNR issues but I found Iron Man to be the worst of the lot
Best Euphoria Pictures,
What are the results when you turn down HDR/Dolby Vision on the 4K blu-rays? Sometimes I turned off Dolby Vision on the Apple TV to watch Dolby Vision content in the Disney+ app today (because Disney screws up their DV content in the app) and ''pop'', there it is. Stunning colours and shadows. I am curious what happened when you do that.
I've never knocked off HDR and Dolby vision for the simple reason I may as well knock on the Blu-ray that you get with all of these 4K releases. For me when it comes to 4K the biggest upgrade is the HDR and Dolby Vision and to not have either of them I just don't see the point in 4K unfortunately
@@millerman9991 I agree with that but there is a side note. If the HDR is done badly and you turn it off, you still njoy the 4K resolution and everything that's part of it. Do you agree that it just like choosing between DTS HD-MA/DTS-X and Atmos?
It's actually a valid point you're making and I'm going to go into my room and knock off some of the HDR on these titles just to see what it looks like. I'm kind of intrigued now
@@millerman9991 I am so curious if you like the results and what the results are with your set-up. It depands what kind of player/tv/projector you use and the possibility with the configuration. I have a Denon 3500H, LG CX and the Panasonic UB820 and that works very well.. Greetings from the Netherlands
Gremlins looks pretty good considering the source material which was made to look soft on purpose. It's the best the film can look, colors and grain levels are a very solid upgrade over just a ok looking old blu ray. It's a good disc and will never looked amazing or mind blowing, keep your expectations in check.
It has nothing to do with expectations to be completely honest. I found it to be a very poor looking 4k picture and everything they accomplished with this transfer could have easily been accomplished with a Blu-ray and that's why I put it into the top 10.
Was T2 released with Cameron's guidance? I thought he had full control on his movie releases that's why so many aren't out even on Blu-ray.
I'm not quite sure if Cameron had anything to do with the 4K transfer but I do know he had something to do with the 3D version of it. I couldn't imagine Cameron putting this poor transfer out. I could be wrong though
@@millerman9991 Cameron hates grain. This is exactly how he wants his older films to look.
I was kinda disappointed in the kingsman 4ks. Like the fleshtones and reds r super boosted, to where I had to take my normal custom picture settings and change it over to standard settings, which in turn dropped all other pop colors to nothing making the movie look washed. I was bummed. Casino Royale I had trouble with at first too...
There is nothing worse than when you have to tamper with your picture settings just so you can get a 4K Blu-ray looking good. I do remember watching the kingsmen and I was underwhelmed by it as well. It was your typical 2K upscale with added HDR that didn't really add anything to it to be honest. I haven't watched Casino Royale yet but I do have it on 4k
Hi just wondering if the 4k cases are the same size as the Blu ray cases?
Hey Kieran. Yeah 4K and Blu-ray are the exact same size. The only difference is colour
Wow, talk about phoning it in on some of these. I also agree with you on the new Suicide Squad move, absolutely terrible.
Yes unfortunately with some of these 4K releases I had to be very blunt and if you have seen some of them you can understand why. Short and sweet and to the point.
4k sounds like a very hit and miss format. Just feel like paying 20 quid for a movie is a big gamble.
Hey Brian. To be honest it's no different than Blu-ray. I've picked up so many bad releases on Blu-ray over the years and I knew it was going to carry over onto 4k. Thank you so much for checking it out.
All the Jurassic park films have a transfer that was done back in 2011 that only has a new hdr grade and like you noticed dnr/ grain scrubbing applied. Many films have done this same type of transfer.
The same was done to the Indiana Jones films, the lord of the rings trilogy, all the Disney animated films, the matrix trilogy, the marvel movies shot on film & a lot of the stuff putt of by WB home.
I think the worst disc I own is
Jaws4k or the lord of the rings trilogy 4k. Indiana Jones 4K at least make the films look better than the dvds, blu-rays & vhs but sadly the changes to the film hurt the 4ks a lot
Thank you so much for checking out my video and for sharing your thoughts on some of your worst 4K transfers. I really do appreciate it.
most of your information is just wrong
I've been picking up some DVDs recently and using implemented HDR on them. Some of them look great upscaled and I have only spent less than a pound on some. Sometimes it makes me think that not all these 4ks are that much better for older titles .Your video proves my point Keith I think the studios are dishing out some dud releases which will perfectly fine on Blu-Ray and even DVD in some cases
That sounds very interesting Matt implemented HDR. I actually have that feature on my television but I never used it to be completely honest. Maybe I should mess around with it just a bit to see. There's no question that Studios are dishing out some very poor 4K releases and Disney is a huge culprit for that. They will never learn
@@millerman9991 try it on some DVDs I have noticed on some releases it improved the colours a huge amount 👍
T2 the dnr king has been dethroned lol. And it is such a shame aswell on gremlins which has such nostalgia for me for many reasons. Still waiting for the day they pull their finger out and give a proper transfer to t1 and t2 in 4k hdr... Also I actually don't own dog soldiers yet as it has crap releases and expensive, but thankfully there's a beauty coming from second sight and I can finally own a classic I wanted. Also was looking at the 60 quid 5 film jurrasic park to watch before the new one releases but you put me off them now. I hear og jurassic park sounds good on dts-x tho?
Hey Steve. Gremlins is one of those 4K releases that still is an improvement over the previous Blu-ray we got but not by much. So if you are a fan of the movie which you clearly are and you can get it for cheap enough I would recommend looking into it. It is the best it's ever looked but that's not saying much. I cannot wait to get hold of my dog Soldiers from second sight. I know it's going to be a hell of a lot better than this piece of crap that I've got. Don't let me put you off to Jurassic Park franchise Steve. There is still some very good looking 4K transfers in that franchise and the first one is still an improvement over the original Blu-ray. The big letdown is part 3. So again if you can get it cheap enough I would look into it
A few notes with some of these titles
Gremlin, I would have to disagree with you here. It's actually a very good disc and is the most pleasing viewing of the film ever on home media. It's just that the original camera negative never looked pristine or top tier visually, so honestly the 4k disc represents the best it can possibly look. Honestly , I have no idea why some reviewer put this at their worst list. Far from it.
Jurassic Park 3 is not a great disc overall agreed on that. The main thing I wanted to point out is that the transfer was actually pretty good. It's the mastered brightness and muted colors that really kills this disc. Agreed that the original Jurassic Park is in dire need of a remaster worthy of that amazing film.
Goodfellas is another one where the brightness was only mastered in a certain nit, which resulted in many tvs having issues properly displaying this movie in a proper brightness. It can be really dim. I believe a remastered disc with dolby vision would really change most people's opinions of this film. The transfer itself is pretty great, so that was never the issue.
Other than that, the rest of the list is pretty spot on.
It's great to hear that you got something out of gremlins when it comes to picture quality but for me I think when it comes to 4K standards it's a poor showing. I said it numerous times but whatever they accomplished when it comes to this 4K disc could easily have been accomplished on Blu-ray.
The entire Jurassic Park collection and that's even including the Jurassic World movies are lacking when it comes on 4k. Especially the original trilogy it deserves so much better than what we get here.
As for Goodfellas I honestly think it's one of the worst transfers I've seen on the format. It just has a lifeless looking picture and like you said maybe a brand new Dolby Vision implementation is maybe what the movie needs.
With you
@@millerman9991 Agreed on Jurassic Park for the most part, except The Lost World. It looks fantastic and is nearly how I remember it looking in theaters. Janusz Kaminski is a very grainy photographer and that can throw people off at times, but the color and detail are still very striking on it. The first movie is a bit grain scrubbed and soft at times, but good color. The first film deserves a new upgrade. If we're talking about bad 4k discs, Terminator 2 takes the cake for me.
Just joined. Can you comment on some classic films in 4K, e.g. Bridge on the River Kwai which is a very bad disc quality, 4K or not 4K.
Hey Boris. Thank you so much for coming over to my channel my friend. Believe it or not but I just purchased Bridge Over the River Kwai on 4k. I'm sure I will feature it in a video sometime in the future. Can't wait to see it
BTW, I wish to recommend 2 blu rays from Arrow Academy with excellent picture quality: One Eyed Jacks & The Day of the Jackal.
I also ordered at the same time as Gremlins,good fellas. Which also went back.
It really is heartbreaking isn't it. 2 fantastic movies that deserve so much better. Goodfellas I stand by. If you have the Blu-ray stick to it. You are getting nothing when it comes to 4k
@@millerman9991 I’ve just bought casino,I’ve heard that is a better one.
Casino is much better on 4k. You have nothing to worry about
It's seems very short sighted of the industry to put out these second rate 4K releases. In many cases you might as well stick to picking up the existing blu ray version for a couple of quid on ebay rather than risking £25 for a half baked 4K version.
Hey Simon you are absolutely right and I honestly think there should be a certain standard that these companies have to hit before sending these out on release. Thankfully nowadays I'm a bit more careful what I pick up on 4k. Always do your homework
I'd toss the 4K releases of Platoon and Pirates of the Caribbean onto this pyre as well. I haven't seen it yet, but I heard American Graffiti was also a fiasco of a 4K release.
Thankfully I checked out the reviews for Pirates of the Caribbean and I knew to stay the hell away from them as well as Platoon which is such a shame because I was so hyped for that release. As for American graffiti I think there's a misunderstanding when it comes to that release. I don't think it's as bad as what people were making it out to be.
I was a little nervous going into this video,but I think I got off lightly. Though I do have the last three Star Wars films on 4K. I’m collecting in order to get a 4K T.V at some point.
To be honest the last three Star Wars movies are not too bad on 4k. They're just not huge improvements over the previous Blu-ray. Now if you start looking into the prequels that's another story all together.
@@millerman9991 I’ve got the digi pack of the original three and the three prequels.
Grease. That 4K Blu-ray transfer destroyed the white zones like looked as a negative cut off.
Wow I actually thought Grease looked fantastic on 4k.
Are those the homall recliners from Amazon? How do you like them
Yes I pick them up from Amazon Germany and I've had no issues at all with them so far. I know there was some bad reviews on them but I took a gamble and so far it's paid off
@@millerman9991 appreciate it! been looking to buy them but just haven't done it yet!
I think gremlins might have had that soft look in the original film element but not entirely positive but I think it was always soft but it's definitely an upgrade over the Blu Ray and that sucks about Jurassic Park 3 I have that same set but have never watched it
Yes you are absolutely correct gremlins was shot with a soft lens and it always had a soft appearance. The biggest issue I had with it when it comes to 4K is it never felt like I was watching a 4K disc. I think if they done a good job on the Blu-ray chances are it would have looked very close to this. Any of the Jurassic Park movies could have been in this top 10 if I'm completely honest. That franchise deserve so much better
"This fil-lum"
Having considered I jumped from 480p to 4K with the Phantom Menance, I have little issue with it.
Hey Cameron. Well in your case that would be a considerable upgrade. But if you compare the Blu-ray with the 4K it's something completely different
@@millerman9991 I generally think 4K is the way to go if coming from DVD. As for bluray to 4K, you are probably right that it's not as good as it could be. Sadly AotC and RotS were filmed digitally at 1080p! At least TPM had a 4K scan from the film!
You said Suicide Squad was not that good, and at first I thought it was THE Suicide Squad, was bout to fight you on that lol.
Also can confirm the new Dog Soldiers is rly good, I bought it last week.
The Suicide Squad actually looks fantastic and when I say that I mean it's sequel. The original is very poor.
Yeah I picked up the second sight edition of dog Soldiers and to say it's a marked improvement over that horrible edition that I have in that video would be a huge understatement
I am a big Italian horror fan and would have been interested in House By The Cemetery and New York Ripper if I had a 4k set up. But the green colour timing seriously turned me off when I saw the screen caps. The old Blu-rays have way better colour timing.
Hey Paul I'm a big Italian horror fan myself. I never picked up house by the cemetery on 4k which is a fantastic movie by the way and one of my favourites and I never got the New York Ripper either but I'm almost certain they're both blu underground releases and from what I've been hearing both of them supposedly look phenomenal in 4k. I understand what you mean by the colour timing but trust me if the colour timing has a green tint then chances are it's all down to source material. Or maybe the picture themselves are misleading.
I’m surprised that no one ever seems to mention just how bad the first film in the ghostbusters franchise is on 4K. The blu Ray is better than the 4K in every way except maybe sound. Also the film grain seems much heavier on the 4K than the original blu ray release. Although the blu ray bundled with the 4K also seems to be heavier on grain than the original. But it’s definitely made worse on the 4K. I was really disappointed having purchased it on release day. I totally agree with your top 10 worst though. As for Dog Soldiers, the second sight release is pretty amazing when considering the fact that they only had a 16mm film stock to work with in the first place. Love second sight. All the best!
I 100% agree with you when it comes to Ghostbusters. I was so disappointed when I got hold of that on 4k. But apparently Ghostbusters is one of them movies that never looked great. Even on Blu-ray I was slightly underwhelmed by it. It's weird everytime they seem to do a new Master on Ghostbusters the more grain it got. Dog soldiers from second sight is an absolute revelation and I knew second sight would do a great job. As a matter of fact I'm almost certain I said it in that videos. Thank you so much for stopping by and checking out my top 10. I really appreciate it
Not on my LG C9 with my TV picture settings while playing through my PS5.
I thought its only me, seems Jurassic Park 3 also listed. Was adjusting my TV settings many times. Also 2012 was also a disappointment
No it's definitely not you my friend. I done the exact same thing when I knocked on Jurassic Park 3. Tried to adjust my TV as much as I could but no matter what I did I cannot get this movie to look good. I have 2012 but I haven't gotten around to watching it. It's a shame to hear that it's a disappointment.
Hey Keith, great video. Good job torching these terrible 4K transfers. I agree with all your choices although, I have yet to pick up Olympus Has Fallen and I most likely will not. I own that Star Wars set and I was very disappointed as it was so expensive. I get the feeling Disney just doesn't care about the quality of their work.
Hey Gil. Trust me my friend do not go near Olympus Has Falling on 4k. Especially if you have it on Blu-ray and even if you didn't I still couldn't recommend picking up the 4K release. Disney are lost when it comes to 4k. They are too focused on Disney plus and they're just sending out poor titles with poor 4K transfers and terrible audio. It's a shame
So the 22nd August Dog Soldiers Limited Edition will be all good - the Special Edition looks epic
I couldn't agree more with you and I cannot wait to get this in my hands. I think when it comes to the 4k we might have to kerb our expectations a little bit. Dog soldiers were shot on 16mm so it's never going to look pristine. Fingers crossed it looks a hell of a lot better than the edition I have of it on 4k
I'm as guilty as everyone else for buying 4K versions of titles assuming they will be better than the standard bluray. I've been caught a few times with disappointing 4k's of titles I already had on bluray and just couldn't tell the difference.
Worst thing is bad HDR where the picture just looks bright and you don't get the colour depth and richness. Best thing to do is watch a review comparison with the 4k before upgrading your bluray or buying a title for the first time. None of the titles in this video appeal to me so don't really apply but good video nonetheless, thanks.
I think we have all been guilty of it. Thankfully nowadays I do my homework when it comes to picking up 4K releases. I have been burnt too many times and to be honest I'm starting to get sick of it. You are absolutely spot-on when it comes to HDR especially if it's been used aggressively. I love Mad Max Fury Road on 4K but the HDR does make a lot of the Flames in that very animated looking and it can be a bit distracting. But when HDR is used right it can look spectacular
@@millerman9991 Yes I agree, HDR done well is amazing. I actually watch the Resident Evil movies (the live action ones) a lot because they look great in 4K with great use of HDR. I'd say HDR is more important with 4K than the resolution increase, specially with how good standard blurays look these days. You can get the entire RE set in 4K in one box now if you fancy taking a look at it.
But yeah, I don't expect everything to look like Bladerunner 2049 but you expect some kind of value for the big price difference with these 4k releases.
"The quality of this movie is garbage which matches the quality of the movie itself" on Suicide Squad 🙃🤣🤣
Hey Fernando. Yes I'm not the biggest fan of suicide squad and I think it's only fitting that the picture quality is rubbish. Shame it could have been so much better. Thanks for checking it out my friend
I remember when I saw highlander on bluray and was really saddened by how grainy it was
I haven't seen Highlander in years. Can't remember how it looked. I think it's get a 4k treatment soon. Hopefully it will look better
Shame about Iron Man. It's from when Marvel films were actually good, as fims and I have a particular soft spot for it because I bought it for my dad, who was about 70 at the time, on dvd. He used to watch things The A-Team and Knight Rider, with me, when I was only wee (we probably watched Blue Thunder and Street Hawk, together, as well).
So, he ended up loving Iron Man and said it was 'great entertainment'. I don't imagine he'd have similar things to say about the later stuff, an more, if he was still around to see it.
I think I'm right in saying it was the first of the modern Marvel films and, in my eyes, it is still the best.
I absolutely agree with you 100%. Iron Man is still my favorite Marvel movie and not only is it my favorite but it's miles ahead of anything else that came out. I Can't Help But relate to your comment because I use to watch The A-Team and Knight Rider with my father when I was younger. I still love them shows today. Thank you so much for stopping by and for sharing this comment with me. I really appreciate it and happy new year
@@millerman9991 Cheers. Happy New Year.
Great job.
Thanks buddy
Sad to agree with you on all these duds, but the facts are the facts. 4Ks made from their start through 2022 have usually been fine with me, but 2023 became a brick wall of junk. My old blu-ray versions of all of these films are mainly all far superior to anything, and thank gosh I didn't toss 'em in the trash! (Oh, ya - I just sub-channeled to your scribe,)
Unfortunately they can't all be winners when it comes to 4K transfers particularly the ones in this top 10. They all deserve so much better. If you notice as well a lot of them are Disney. Thankfully they have improved quite a bit in the last few months but you never know what you're going to get with them. Thank you so much for stopping by and for the sub. I really appreciate the support my friend
There are 2 or 3 closeups during the T2 4K that look really bad, but other than that, I think the non-filmic, digital look of the transfer suits the film very well.
To me it probably looks better on 3D and you can clearly see that's exactly what they were catering for when doing this 4K release. I'm not a fan of it and I never will be. But if you're happy that's the most important thing.
Disney snuffing its legacy movies? WELL. I. NEVER!
Yes I would love to say that it's a shock but I think we've all got use to it with Disney
The Bourne Identity (only the first one) is another title DNR'ed to death. It looks like an upscaled Blu-ray with a major lack of grain and poor color grading.
I should note that not having HDR can work for a 4K release. I have the Kino Lorber 4K of The Great Escape and that looks really good.
Yes I knew not to pick up the Bourne Identity on 4K or any of them movies to be honest. I heard nearly all of them have poor transfers.
I have to admit I was a bit shocked when I heard the great escape didn't have HDR. But having said that the reviews have been unbelievable positive for it so it just goes to show that it does work without HDR
Yes, after Camille finished with her closing arguments, when she went back to the bench they hugged her and giving high fives.
Could that hurt they case?
Is like they won.
I have the 2015 lionsgate blu-ray for T2, which is the version not approved by cameron looks pretty good. He is just ruining his own films on 4k. I also have pirates on 4k, the 2010 blu-ray included with the set looks better than the 4k disc
Yeah a few people have told me that the lionsgate Terminator 2 is the best version of that movie you can own. Really need to pick that up. I did my homework on Pirates and when I found out how poor that movie is on 4k I stay away from it.
@@millerman9991 Apparently Cameron is up to his neck trying to finish off the 4 Avatar films he has in production. Apparently they explains why Blu Ray / 4K versions of The Abyss and True Lies have been held up
I honestly can't see the abyss or True Lies coming to 4k. We never even got them on Blu-ray never mind 4k. It's a real shame