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I work in a hospital as Respiratory Therapist. One of the major problems that a lot of patients come in with is cardiomegaly, or an enlarged heart, which can lead to congestive heart failure. It doesn’t happen overnight, but over years of untreated issues like hypertension. Sounds like Taylor had probably had some health problems for awhile.
I was just horrified that forensics said Taylor's heart weighted DOUBLE normal. That man was in terrible pain. I had a congestive heart proplem due to a prolapsed valve, which was not nearly as bad as what happed to Tayrlor. It was the most terrible pain that I ever had. Tthere was excruciating pain with every breath. I had tear rolling down my face until they gave me anesthesia. It was even worse than getting my foot crushed (which I would not recommend to anyone.) I hope his friends, fans and band members read this because they need to do whatever they need to do, to stop anyone from having this happen again. My message to Dave & Co. is this: I beg that you all will do what you need to do, take time off when you need it, have a check up, or whatever..... No amount of money is worth such incredible pain!
Taylor was very outspoken about the tour schedule. Radio X (TH-cam "Liam Gahallgher for prime minister), his frustration with the schedule led to his album "Get the Money" after a conversation with Joe Walsh." He said as much during that June '21 interview with Rolling Stone (audio of that interview is online too). The covid lockdown made things worse for him. That needed break made it that much harder to return to that grueling schedule. What I find interesting though - the pathologist in Bogota didn't remark on the size of Taylor's heart, just the weight. It weighed double normal weigh of a heart for a man his age. Foo reps (publicists? Who did RS talk to?) denied everything, even his collapse on the plane in Chicago. I don't believe a word they said.
@@MoMoLuey I just watch everything that has Taylor in it on TH-cam. :) You can see the video yourself - just search "Liam Gallagher for Prime Minister" and Taylor Hawkins, you'll find it.
Thank you for tipping me off on the video. I can see you really know your stuff. I;ve heard band members say worse things about touring, but I'm am also sure the Foo Fighters have a heck of a schedule.
They where just in Denver CO played 3hrs without a break - then on too another concert and the drummer I would say gets worked the hardest . RIP T Hawkins
Yes. Three and a half hour shows with that intense drumming needs more than a day between shows. That's not nearly enough recovery time. I don't think Taylor or anyone else knew about his heart. Taylor said his doctor told him he had an enlarged heart (well, he WAS very active with the drumming, mountain biking and trying to build muscle to not be so whippet thin). What are the implications of that though with that schedule, not to mention the 8,000+ foot altitude of Bogota?
Dave, as much of a lovely guy we all know him as, seems a very driven individual. I can see him being a somewhat hard taskmaster to push the band a little further beyond what might be expected. I am trying my best to be tactful..but he has a dark side. He would also give Gene Simmons a run for his money for being a shrewd businessman in the industry.
Taylor wanted out Dave wouldn't let him go this is the result. What we see from Dave is a persona the man's all about the money always has been he's a frait train for cash
@Narrowboat.and.offgrid.living have u seen the movie studio 666 where Taylor's head is sliced feom jaw? That there is proof of Daves evil side...dave says your next and was true. Very sad I'm sure dave hates that movie now. Taylor was getting tired of the band and felt the band became a joke 😒 Taylor just did a lot of drugs one night because he had enough maybe went a bit far.
True, I see this gushy videos in praise, and its corporate, dad rock at best. That aside, in nirvana, he was a hired drummer and kurt should have been more contractually specific of daves' role, and imo kurt should have had specific language in the contract, that he is the songwriter of the band. When there isn't clear boundaries, the drummer wants to make the band play his songs ect..its get convoluted, quick!
@@gort42069 scentless apprentice, drummers bother tf out of the singer until you use one of their songs. Kurt authored the lyrics, of course, but the riff is ghrol, pushed by ghrol ect. Marigold, dave was producing music, out of the band, while under contract, is a big nono, but if their isn't specific language, dave did whatever he wanted, business wise, and alot of it is unethical. Krist could have done the same thing, sell you on a new nirvana. Act all fake and sell you on it, but krist isn't money/fame hungry. Dont want to digress too much, but from my life experience observing this band, dave caused the implosion.
I believe his friends before I believe anything from Foos’ management…what would his friends have to gain from lying about what he’d said to them? Hell, even Neil Peart had remarked about how much of a physical toll drumming takes on the body after years of playing…Taylor wasn’t just making things up about how hard it was getting for him. They should’ve listened to him, and backed off instead of ramping up the touring schedule, and he’d likely still be with us…not like the fans wouldn’t understand. Rest easy, Taylor. 🙏🏻♥️
god, it is a story as old as time. This happened to Elvis. He needed to take a break but died the morning of a tour departure: benzos, opioids in his system & severely enlarged heart. He wasn't always overweight. The dude was a comet that shone bright and flashed across the sky for a short time, shining his light on everyone he touched; just as Taylor did. It seems to be true; only the good die young.
Unfortunately only two people know exactly what happened that night to him and one of them's dead, and the other was there right after his death, to usher him into the great beyond. I dare say...I think the world will never know, for sure! But, know, that it was a tragic loss for the band, the family, all the fans, the world, and for music (especially rock 'n' roll), in general! :/
I believe there was a lot of truth in the Rolling Stone Mag article. I think it's very possible someone threatened Matt and Chad, that's why they retracted their statements. I wouldn't believe any statements from the bands representative ( management ) ! Sounds like he was played to death !!! My question is , Who was with him the night before and why hasn't there been any investigation of his last 24 hours ?
So he was played to death yet his own son played with the foo fighters at his memorial concert? It wouldn't surprise me if some did actually take Matt's story out of context to spin a narrative because that's how the industry works. And Chad's story about the plane and his exhaustion could have been from drug use. Theres an interview with Howard Stern and Taylor, just Taylor not Dave. This was a while after his overdose, Howard asked him straight out if he was sober. Hawkins said "I have a system that works for me". Clearly he was still using, basically a functioning addict. I wonder if the person that was with him that night was his dealer and they are trying to hide it because everyone knew he had a "system". The Foos are on their own label. No one owns them they literally do whatever they want. If he wanted to take a break as bad as it sounds they probably would have. I don't like the narrative of "close friends" said he was played to death. Unless you have actual facts then don't spin something for clicks.
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@@inemanja Hi there. Fear not. I have not come to blame those involved, but to urge Dave & Co. to take better care of themselves. Maybe get a little more rest. Or maybe, get a checkup at the doctors.
I think there is a little bit of truth to both sides of it. Also, I noticed in the interview for Dave's book, when Hawkins was there, Hawking displayed every sign of drug use except for passing out. It's a vicious circle, He took drugs because he needed them to feel better. The more he took, the more he was endangering his life. I suggest that the Foo's stop being such work-a-holics. Life is short. Enjoy it.
As I watched more recent videos, I think Taylor Hawkins was overwhelmed. At times, David Grohl did not look like a picture of health himself. He looks like he hasn't taken good care of himself. He;s not a 20 something anymore... He was sweaty and a little out of breath. I hope he learns from Taylor's plight and takes better case of himself. Hope they shortens their sets, and take more breaks too. Flying all the way to Australia for one big gig is too much. Take some time to smell the roses.
To play in a band like that would be a dream by any musician that’s why we all start playing I think it’s a sad ending but think it’s what he really wanted
Seems like Dave was trying to recapture his 90's fame or something. I don't think they ever released anything that good since Wasting Light and Dave probably went into overdrive with the touring to stay relevant.
Dave’s a narcissist who always hated being the the shadow of Cobain. He hated being “just the drummer in Nirvana” and feared being fired by Kurt when Kurt was having problems in life. So Dave killed Kurt, fast forward, Dave’s still bitter people talk about Nirvana more. So he made Studio 666, kills Taylor with Cymbalism (so to speak)… then kills him in real life. The cymbalism of him hating being the drummer and using the drum kit as a murder weapon in the film to strike back at people who thinks that’s what he should just stick to. Dave is so fake, everything about him seems to be for PR.
It's not just Dave. All of the bands that were able to "live like rockstars" in the pre-internet era saw a calamitous decline in revenue when physical sales went 'poof'. Whereas touring was seen as promotion for the album, now live shows (and merchandise) are the primary money generators... albums are promotions for tours. Everyone has suddenly become the Ramones: touring 350 days out of the year and taking two weeks off to record a new album that isn't going to sell, but allows the record label to front you money to continue touring. That's why you see octogenarian bands like Kiss, the Rolling Stones, and the Eagles out here lipsynching their Greatest Hits catalogs for $450 a ticket, and why you see the Foo Fighters touring 300 days out of the year. They could've easily done 90 minute shows like most bands, but that's not Dave Grohl. Dave set an incredibly high bar for live performances that he (for better or worse) is stuck perpetually trying to top. It's great for fans, not so great for the rest of the band.
Its obvious to many people that Dave is in love with playing and creating music, as well as giving 110% onstage every night. If you have ever seen one of their shows you would get it. They are alot more successful the more they get into their career, but they continue to get better if you ask alot of us true fans. To say they haven't put out anything good since wasting light is a joke.
Okay I'm less than 20 seconds in and I have to tell you it's a hard situation to be and I've been in it with just garage bands thinking we're going to make it big I sprained my wrist and had an asshole guitarist say well will you know we can either play it or replace you and I didn't have 2000 people on payroll. It's something that you really want to do but it is hard to do just think of any professional athlete. And with that comes a lot of pressure I know a lot of I've heard of a lot of players that would play hurt before they would put their backup in because they don't they're afraid of losing their spot and Taylor was in quite a seat. Also people say Taylor played for the best drummer from the 90s well Dave newitt Taylor was a better drummer than Dave I'm not trying to be a jerk but I just really miss the hell out of Taylor. No on the bright side and I know I've said enough here Josh freeze is an awesome drummer that being said I really love and miss Taylor. When I saw Alanis Morissette on Saturday Night Live I was like whoa who's the drummer? !
There are no "sides to take". Life is all about placing blame on people - GEEZ! That's all anyone likes to do anymore. Hawkins could have slowed down is MANY side projects and kept his responsibilities with The Foo Fighters. I'm not placing blame here - just saying that this was PROBABLY just a tragedy of someone who just couldn't maintain the lifestyle he was living - it happens to MILLIONS of people in the world daily!!!!!! Let him rest in peace and stop trying to blame others for everything in the world! Sometimes SH*T just happens - it's life!
Dave Grohl, seems to have boundless energy, Taylor couldn't keep up, drumming at that level is highly strenuous especially at the age of 50,Grohl had no idea what it was doing to his friend, until it was too late!
The F.F. is a corporation, a brand, a sliced up multiple LLCs, and a money-making machine. not a band. Gman created it. More shows meant more money as greed overulles the real truth that the corporation cared more about the money than their supposed "brother". Fing sad story, R.I.P. Taylor Hawkins😂💪❤️🤘😎
You're absolutely right mate..FF isn't or weren't a band in the later days..at first their first 2 albums were great, but as years went on they became a business, a money making thing. You're so right 👍🏻
Dave simply can't stop working at a pace that is simply exhausting to most people. And he doesn't care if you can't keep up. That makes him a bit of a tyrant for me. I've been in bands with guys like Dave and It simply didn't matter what was going on in my life or what I needed to do to get back on track, get healthy, mentally or physically. Simple truth is Taylor would still be alive today if he simply took a break or just walked away. Doesn't matter how successful you are if your dead.
Unfortunately album sales isn't your bread and butter no more when it comes to making a living at music. Touring is the only way to keep the cash machine running, and at 50+ years old that has to become a challenge. Factor in addiction at that age and its a recipe for disaster. Not everyone can be Keith Richards. R.I.P. Taylor, and may God bless your family. 🙏🏻🖤
Probably he did not take care of himself. He also seems that he supported Dave in everything and just from watching the interviews it looks like Hawkins was Dave’s sound board and kind of always supporting him and saying yes to him. He needed mental health and physical health to come out of the extremes. Really the extreme touring kill him. I’m with his friends.
This is truly sad, sounds as if the demands to meet public demand outweighed his expressions of his health and exhaustion. If you are truly in tune with a friend then you would be more concerned for their health than demands professionally. Very sad for this man’s family.
I'm not buying this angle. Was being a Foo very demanding? Yes. Nothing different than hundreds of touring musicians that go at it hard all year. It is something you need to gear up for mentally and physically. I'm no doctor but usually with an enlarged heart that means you been dirty for a long time. Taylor was in the closet on that. Toxicology does not lie. In the end it is just sad. Taylor died relatively young but lived a very full life IMO.
There isn't a full toxicology report released yet , only a urinalysis which is not nearly the same as it doesn't show what was in the blood at time of death.
I think Taylor might have said something to one his friends. I don t think he was being disloyal to Dave Grohl. I think he needed a much needed break. I know sometimes I get upset with my sister and I ll tell my friend ( a trusted friend) how I feel at that moment ,whether Im mad , disgusted whatever. For that s how I feel at that moment. After you calm down that feeling goes away anyways. Doesn t mean I don t love her. Just wanting let off some steam. Dave and Taylor were best friends and they love and respected each other. I don t think Taylor would have really bad mouthed Dave. We all get frustrated with siblings spouses, and friends sometimes. It s a normal thing. I think people have taken this all out of context. RIP Taylor. Know that you were loved by many !
It may have been good to stay busy to avoid relapsing into addiction, plus the side projects didn't carry the same pressure to tour for 12 to 18 months doing 3.5 hr shows.
Clearly his close friends can be trusted, Dave on the other hand was a very very rich band leader, this power would scare anyone into not confiding in Dave. Obviously this shows that Dave cared more about himself rather than look after his friend. Dave should be liable in a court of law for abusing Taylor and not getting him proper treatment and support. Financially he needs to do the right thing and give the Hawkins family a shitload of money for compensation.
Also, Dave does not look like the picture of health. He seems to have a puffiness in the chest area, which could be a sign of congestive heart. I hope he gets a heart scan.
@@nonalien-l1n Oh, I've heard that is really very healthy if you can do it. Good for you! I have bad diabetes so I eat what I have to eat. I feel bad for making the remark about David Grohl. That band has such bad luck, you can't help but worry about them>
It appears that the industry will squeeze the life right out of you, if you let them. Drugs added to the mix can't lead to anything but tragedy. I think they expect too much from drummers who work the hardest on stage.
It's outrageous that videos are allowed! And when he said "i thought i had to be like Keith Richards" is embarrassing and like the Gallagher's said "we were worse before fame, we werent just upper class students experimenting thinking we are rnr like pete docherty" working class kids doing drugscis normal from age 13! I never knew anyone or anybolder people part from my mum that didn't do drugs!
Even before the passing of hawkins i'm quite surprised how they managed the tour dates and they are goin full throttle even in thier 50s, its never been easy to be foos as we all know dave is filled with passion not money, sometimes drugs the only way for them to regain back the energy
Sone people can do heroin and live a normal life and you would never know they were usin like some people can with drink but some people are like Cobain who become wrecks coz they are depressed also. Not everyone who does drugs become an addict but it will give you a shorter life like Hawkins
The world is evil. You could blame Dave. But then you could also blame Kurt for acting in an evil way too. And then you could say he should have never been borned at all. And I really like Kurts music. It helped when i was mentally in a tough spot to write my own music. More understanding, love and empathy.
The blame is on the whole organization for not listening to him about his issues and concerns. Mostly management !! He would still be alive and we wouldn't be talking about this if they had been not so greedy and thought about him instead of themselves. Something that's not being talked about is that , it's the same management that managed Nirvana. Think about the similarities.
@nunya7774 I hear you. What about Taylor, though? Does he shoulder any of the blame? He was a grown man who made the decision to carry on with that tour even though he felt like hell.
@nunyafunyuns I think the answer is yes. Maybe , partially to blame. Who knows , if the decision was driven by what end number is if you do the tour verses what the loss number will be if you don't. Dangling the carrot !
He had lots of side projects 😂😂 so he wasn't that tired! Amd people normally work everyday! Jesus no wonder so many men working Manuel labour kill themselves if being rich is hard
In interviews he was so looking forward to doing his side project with NHC. They were talking about doing shows that year. When was he going to fit that in? Makes sense what the friends said..the touring schedule of the Foos kept getting bigger and bigger. Side projects you can get to go home whenever you like and make your own schedule.
He was so tired? He toured and did shows with his side projects Chevy Metal and NHC. They had just done a show at the Troubadour in December 2021. I doubt he was scaling back.
He seemed more at ease with Chevy Metal and felt he could be more creative with Coattail Riders and NHC. He called the shots there and controlled the pace. He told Classic Rock Magazine in 2019 there wasn't a lot of room in the Foos for him to be creative. No one knows the level of those drugs. I suffer from a chronic pain condition and have been on many of those same drugs at the same time. Opiates, benzos, and tricyclic antidepressants which are used for many conditions including insomnia and digestive issues. He also had pantoprazole which is used for reflux. He smoked and had apnea. The enlarged heart should have been looked into when he collapsed on that plane. A lot of people depended on the Foos performing and I am sure he felt the pressure. It's easy to judge when you do not have all the facts. We do not know he overdosed. They never said he did. His heart gave out. It's just that simple.
About 1% of you will believe this but Grohl isn't the nicest guy in rock like he's portrayed. For those of you who know, you know. The music industry is completely controlled by Satanists and you don't become as successful as Grohl unless you play ball. Grohl's father also held a high position in Government back in the day, which has also been subverted and infiltrated. Grohl is no better than Courtney. He's actually worse. I'm not crazy, I'm educated about the situation. Grohl has blood on his hands.....twice.
He makes a film about becoming possessed by a demon and killing his bandmates. Then the day Taylor dies the soundtrack to that film drops. What a coincidence.
Rubbish! They were a massive successful band they toured in luxery and had long long periods off with lots of money to look after themselves and get themselves together but Hawkins obviously carried on using hard and living the rock star lifestyle. Dying at his age whilst drinking and drugged nearky every day is a normal age! Keith Richards,Iggy pop had given up most heavy drugs long before the age Hawkins died
For shame blaming Grohl for Taylor's death. They were best friends. This world tells us what we have to do it. Some survive, some don't, but we can always quit.
If you start using, it's because there is something missing.You are not sure what, but the drugs stop you from hurting, especially emotionally, and the gruelling touring and the drugs will eventually kill you, and Dave must be wondering why his band mates keep dying too. But touring now is far more hectic because of the advances in travel and shipping, but it's more about relevance, and how much touring you have to do to stay relevant in the 3 second attention span of modern music fans, and how fickle they are now. That's what really killed him.
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I trust Matt & Chad over Dave & his shitty band's managment anyway
Id believe close friends. Management even denied the plane making an emergency landing when Taylor fell ill.
I believe the Rolling stone interviews were legit and anybody changing their story was obviously pressured.
Everything said above
I work in a hospital as Respiratory Therapist. One of the major problems that a lot of patients come in with is cardiomegaly, or an enlarged heart, which can lead to congestive heart failure. It doesn’t happen overnight, but over years of untreated issues like hypertension. Sounds like Taylor had probably had some health problems for awhile.
And that jibby jab he recently got was the final nail
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So true.... And it hurts like hell.
I was just horrified that forensics said Taylor's heart weighted DOUBLE normal. That man was in terrible pain. I had a congestive heart proplem due to a prolapsed valve, which was not nearly as bad as what happed to Tayrlor. It was the most terrible pain that I ever had. Tthere was excruciating pain with every breath. I had tear rolling down my face until they gave me anesthesia. It was even worse than getting my foot crushed (which I would not recommend to anyone.) I hope his friends, fans and band members read this because they need to do whatever they need to do, to stop anyone from having this happen again.
My message to Dave & Co. is this:
I beg that you all will do what you need to do, take time off when you need it, have a check up, or whatever..... No amount of money is worth such incredible pain!
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Taylor was very outspoken about the tour schedule. Radio X (TH-cam "Liam Gahallgher for prime minister), his frustration with the schedule led to his album "Get the Money" after a conversation with Joe Walsh." He said as much during that June '21 interview with Rolling Stone (audio of that interview is online too). The covid lockdown made things worse for him. That needed break made it that much harder to return to that grueling schedule. What I find interesting though - the pathologist in Bogota didn't remark on the size of Taylor's heart, just the weight. It weighed double normal weigh of a heart for a man his age.
Foo reps (publicists? Who did RS talk to?) denied everything, even his collapse on the plane in Chicago. I don't believe a word they said.
Wow! You certainly did a lot of reseach.
@@MoMoLuey I just watch everything that has Taylor in it on TH-cam. :) You can see the video yourself - just search "Liam Gallagher for Prime Minister" and Taylor Hawkins, you'll find it.
Thank you for tipping me off on the video. I can see you really know your stuff. I;ve heard band members say worse things about touring, but I'm am also sure the Foo Fighters have a heck of a schedule.
@@MoMoLuey Sure! I love the interview and watch it often. Love his impressions of Joe Walsh and B.B. King.
@@SpookMrsSpooky Are there anymore videos that you would recommend?
They where just in Denver CO played 3hrs without a break - then on too another concert and the drummer I would say gets worked the hardest . RIP T Hawkins
He just needed a long break but didn't want to let down his band
Yes. Three and a half hour shows with that intense drumming needs more than a day between shows. That's not nearly enough recovery time. I don't think Taylor or anyone else knew about his heart. Taylor said his doctor told him he had an enlarged heart (well, he WAS very active with the drumming, mountain biking and trying to build muscle to not be so whippet thin). What are the implications of that though with that schedule, not to mention the 8,000+ foot altitude of Bogota?
Dave, as much of a lovely guy we all know him as, seems a very driven individual. I can see him being a somewhat hard taskmaster to push the band a little further beyond what might be expected. I am trying my best to be tactful..but he has a dark side. He would also give Gene Simmons a run for his money for being a shrewd businessman in the industry.
Taylor wanted out Dave wouldn't let him go this is the result. What we see from Dave is a persona the man's all about the money always has been he's a frait train for cash
@Narrowboat.and.offgrid.living have u seen the movie studio 666 where Taylor's head is sliced feom jaw? That there is proof of Daves evil side...dave says your next and was true. Very sad I'm sure dave hates that movie now. Taylor was getting tired of the band and felt the band became a joke 😒 Taylor just did a lot of drugs one night because he had enough maybe went a bit far.
True, I see this gushy videos in praise, and its corporate, dad rock at best. That aside, in nirvana, he was a hired drummer and kurt should have been more contractually specific of daves' role, and imo kurt should have had specific language in the contract, that he is the songwriter of the band. When there isn't clear boundaries, the drummer wants to make the band play his songs ect..its get convoluted, quick!
@@euroyen420p2 dave never brought any songs to kurt
@@gort42069 scentless apprentice, drummers bother tf out of the singer until you use one of their songs. Kurt authored the lyrics, of course, but the riff is ghrol, pushed by ghrol ect. Marigold, dave was producing music, out of the band, while under contract, is a big nono, but if their isn't specific language, dave did whatever he wanted, business wise, and alot of it is unethical. Krist could have done the same thing, sell you on a new nirvana. Act all fake and sell you on it, but krist isn't money/fame hungry. Dont want to digress too much, but from my life experience observing this band, dave caused the implosion.
I believe his friends before I believe anything from Foos’ management…what would his friends have to gain from lying about what he’d said to them? Hell, even Neil Peart had remarked about how much of a physical toll drumming takes on the body after years of playing…Taylor wasn’t just making things up about how hard it was getting for him. They should’ve listened to him, and backed off instead of ramping up the touring schedule, and he’d likely still be with us…not like the fans wouldn’t understand. Rest easy, Taylor. 🙏🏻♥️
god, it is a story as old as time. This happened to Elvis. He needed to take a break but died the morning of a tour departure: benzos, opioids in his system & severely enlarged heart. He wasn't always overweight. The dude was a comet that shone bright and flashed across the sky for a short time, shining his light on everyone he touched; just as Taylor did.
It seems to be true; only the good die young.
Unfortunately only two people know exactly what happened that night to him and one of them's dead, and the other was there right after his death, to usher him into the great beyond. I dare say...I think the world will never know, for sure! But, know, that it was a tragic loss for the band, the family, all the fans, the world, and for music (especially rock 'n' roll), in general! :/
He passed away because he did not prioritize his well-being instead he kept going with the pressures of performing and touring. Love yourself first ❤
Dave went from a drummer who lost his singer to a singer who lost his drummer 😢
Or from a drummer who lost his guitarist to a guitarist who lost his drummer
Isn't it ironic don't you think
'The Storyteller' is a terrible title for a biography, truly awful.
I believe there was a lot of truth in the Rolling Stone Mag article. I think it's very possible someone threatened Matt and Chad, that's why they retracted their statements. I wouldn't believe any statements from the bands representative ( management ) ! Sounds like he was played to death !!! My question is , Who was with him the night before and why hasn't there been any investigation of his last 24 hours ?
So he was played to death yet his own son played with the foo fighters at his memorial concert? It wouldn't surprise me if some did actually take Matt's story out of context to spin a narrative because that's how the industry works. And Chad's story about the plane and his exhaustion could have been from drug use. Theres an interview with Howard Stern and Taylor, just Taylor not Dave. This was a while after his overdose, Howard asked him straight out if he was sober. Hawkins said "I have a system that works for me". Clearly he was still using, basically a functioning addict. I wonder if the person that was with him that night was his dealer and they are trying to hide it because everyone knew he had a "system". The Foos are on their own label. No one owns them they literally do whatever they want. If he wanted to take a break as bad as it sounds they probably would have. I don't like the narrative of "close friends" said he was played to death. Unless you have actual facts then don't spin something for clicks.
I agree. They had too may sets and sets that were much to long.
@@MoMoLuey He could leave with 5 minutes notice. Don't make a conspiracy out of his death.
@@inemanja You will be glad to know that I have never said it was a conspiracy. I am saying, Life is fragile and we need to take care of ourselved.
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@@inemanja Hi there. Fear not. I have not come to blame those involved, but to urge Dave & Co. to take better care of themselves. Maybe get a little more rest. Or maybe, get a checkup at the doctors.
I think there is a little bit of truth to both sides of it. Also, I noticed in the interview for Dave's book, when Hawkins was there, Hawking displayed every sign of drug use except for passing out. It's a vicious circle, He took drugs because he needed them to feel better. The more he took, the more he was endangering his life. I suggest that the Foo's stop being such work-a-holics. Life is short. Enjoy it.
As I watched more recent videos, I think Taylor Hawkins was overwhelmed. At times, David Grohl did not look like a picture of health himself. He looks like he hasn't taken good care of himself. He;s not a 20 something anymore... He was sweaty and a little out of breath. I hope he learns from Taylor's plight and takes better case of himself. Hope they shortens their sets, and take more breaks too. Flying all the way to Australia for one big gig is too much. Take some time to smell the roses.
Loved my Taylor
To play in a band like that would be a dream by any musician that’s why we all start playing I think it’s a sad ending but think it’s what he really wanted
Seems like Dave was trying to recapture his 90's fame or something. I don't think they ever released anything that good since Wasting Light and Dave probably went into overdrive with the touring to stay relevant.
Exactly
Dave’s a narcissist who always hated being the the shadow of Cobain. He hated being “just the drummer in Nirvana” and feared being fired by Kurt when Kurt was having problems in life. So Dave killed Kurt, fast forward, Dave’s still bitter people talk about Nirvana more. So he made Studio 666, kills Taylor with Cymbalism (so to speak)… then kills him in real life. The cymbalism of him hating being the drummer and using the drum kit as a murder weapon in the film to strike back at people who thinks that’s what he should just stick to.
Dave is so fake, everything about him seems to be for PR.
It's not just Dave. All of the bands that were able to "live like rockstars" in the pre-internet era saw a calamitous decline in revenue when physical sales went 'poof'. Whereas touring was seen as promotion for the album, now live shows (and merchandise) are the primary money generators... albums are promotions for tours. Everyone has suddenly become the Ramones: touring 350 days out of the year and taking two weeks off to record a new album that isn't going to sell, but allows the record label to front you money to continue touring.
That's why you see octogenarian bands like Kiss, the Rolling Stones, and the Eagles out here lipsynching their Greatest Hits catalogs for $450 a ticket, and why you see the Foo Fighters touring 300 days out of the year. They could've easily done 90 minute shows like most bands, but that's not Dave Grohl. Dave set an incredibly high bar for live performances that he (for better or worse) is stuck perpetually trying to top. It's great for fans, not so great for the rest of the band.
Its obvious to many people that Dave is in love with playing and creating music, as well as giving 110% onstage every night. If you have ever seen one of their shows you would get it. They are alot more successful the more they get into their career, but they continue to get better if you ask alot of us true fans. To say they haven't put out anything good since wasting light is a joke.
Death usually does end your time in a band
Thank you Taylor for being born.
Ummm... His friends! Kind of a no-brainer.
Grohl is a tough dude, you can see it when he's smashing those drums.
Blew up his heart myocarditis
Okay I'm less than 20 seconds in and I have to tell you it's a hard situation to be and I've been in it with just garage bands thinking we're going to make it big I sprained my wrist and had an asshole guitarist say well will you know we can either play it or replace you and I didn't have 2000 people on payroll. It's something that you really want to do but it is hard to do just think of any professional athlete. And with that comes a lot of pressure I know a lot of I've heard of a lot of players that would play hurt before they would put their backup in because they don't they're afraid of losing their spot and Taylor was in quite a seat. Also people say Taylor played for the best drummer from the 90s well Dave newitt Taylor was a better drummer than Dave I'm not trying to be a jerk but I just really miss the hell out of Taylor. No on the bright side and I know I've said enough here Josh freeze is an awesome drummer that being said I really love and miss Taylor. When I saw Alanis Morissette on Saturday Night Live I was like whoa who's the drummer? !
I miss punctuation.
Seems like alcohol always a part of the Foo Fighter's tour. Unfortunately alcohol usually leads to drugs.
Alcohol is the hardest drug of all
There are no "sides to take". Life is all about placing blame on people - GEEZ! That's all anyone likes to do anymore. Hawkins could have slowed down is MANY side projects and kept his responsibilities with The Foo Fighters. I'm not placing blame here - just saying that this was PROBABLY just a tragedy of someone who just couldn't maintain the lifestyle he was living - it happens to MILLIONS of people in the world daily!!!!!! Let him rest in peace and stop trying to blame others for everything in the world! Sometimes SH*T just happens - it's life!
Hey Ladyvoice, missed vocale at the Steve Albini 'Mémorial '
Dave Grohl, seems to have boundless energy, Taylor couldn't keep up, drumming at that level is highly strenuous especially at the age of 50,Grohl had no idea what it was doing to his friend, until it was too late!
The F.F. is a corporation, a brand, a sliced up multiple LLCs, and a money-making machine. not a band. Gman created it. More shows meant more money as greed overulles the real truth that the corporation cared more about the money than their supposed "brother". Fing sad story, R.I.P. Taylor Hawkins😂💪❤️🤘😎
You're absolutely right mate..FF isn't or weren't a band in the later days..at first their first 2 albums were great, but as years went on they became a business, a money making thing. You're so right 👍🏻
Dave simply can't stop working at a pace that is simply exhausting to most people. And he doesn't care if you can't keep up. That makes him a bit of a tyrant for me. I've been in bands with guys like Dave and It simply didn't matter what was going on in my life or what I needed to do to get back on track, get healthy, mentally or physically. Simple truth is Taylor would still be alive today if he simply took a break or just walked away. Doesn't matter how successful you are if your dead.
Same formula: 1 of the 3 goes first, the rest remain to split the money
Courtney got Kurt's share tho
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Unfortunately album sales isn't your bread and butter no more when it comes to making a living at music.
Touring is the only way to keep the cash machine running, and at 50+ years old that has to become a challenge. Factor in addiction at that age and its a recipe for disaster. Not everyone can be Keith Richards. R.I.P. Taylor, and may God bless your family. 🙏🏻🖤
Kieth moons trouble was being fit to go on tour or even record with the who in the 70s
Fame comes at a Price!!!
Dave described Taylor Hawkins as a spazz 😂 thats offensive man 😂 so taylor was awkward thats cool.
Probably he did not take care of himself. He also seems that he supported Dave in everything and just from watching the interviews it looks like Hawkins was Dave’s sound board and kind of always supporting him and saying yes to him. He needed mental health and physical health to come out of the extremes. Really the extreme touring kill him. I’m with his friends.
This is truly sad, sounds as if the demands to meet public demand outweighed his expressions of his health and exhaustion. If you are truly in tune with a friend then you would be more concerned for their health than demands professionally. Very sad for this man’s family.
I'm not buying this angle. Was being a Foo very demanding? Yes. Nothing different than hundreds of touring musicians that go at it hard all year. It is something you need to gear up for mentally and physically. I'm no doctor but usually with an enlarged heart that means you been dirty for a long time. Taylor was in the closet on that. Toxicology does not lie. In the end it is just sad. Taylor died relatively young but lived a very full life IMO.
There isn't a full toxicology report released yet , only a urinalysis which is not nearly the same as it doesn't show what was in the blood at time of death.
@@kristabel71 yeah so it sounds like you want to believe he was not a drug addict okay I get it
You have no idea. Nobody does
Dont Work with dave Grohl or Courtney Love its Will be you Dead
Athletes- the healthiest of people also can have enlarged hearts. You’re right you definitely aren’t a doctor, numpty.
I wish Taylor went back to that early hair. Dave still can and says that he wants to.
I think Taylor might have said something to one his friends. I don t think he was being disloyal to Dave Grohl. I think he needed a much needed break. I know sometimes I get upset with my sister and I ll tell my friend ( a trusted friend) how I feel at that moment ,whether Im mad , disgusted whatever. For that s how I feel at that moment. After you calm down that feeling goes away anyways. Doesn t mean I don t love her. Just wanting let off some steam. Dave and Taylor were best friends and they love and respected each other. I don t think Taylor would have really bad mouthed Dave. We all get frustrated with siblings spouses, and friends sometimes. It s a normal thing. I think people have taken this all out of context. RIP Taylor. Know that you were loved by many !
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If he was tired of all the work, why do side projects?
It may have been good to stay busy to avoid relapsing into addiction, plus the side projects didn't carry the same pressure to tour for 12 to 18 months doing 3.5 hr shows.
Two big killers in the entertainment industry, stage fright, drugs and alcohol.
Their both hand in hand.
Clearly his close friends can be trusted, Dave on the other hand was a very very rich band leader, this power would scare anyone into not confiding in Dave. Obviously this shows that Dave cared more about himself rather than look after his friend. Dave should be liable in a court of law for abusing Taylor and not getting him proper treatment and support. Financially he needs to do the right thing and give the Hawkins family a shitload of money for compensation.
Also, Dave does not look like the picture of health. He seems to have a puffiness in the chest area, which could be a sign of congestive heart. I hope he gets a heart scan.
Dave loves his barbecue. He's bloated on red meat excess.
@@nonalien-l1n Don't we all!!! Texas would be proud. They played at Austin City Limits.
I did watch another video where he was looking thinner.
@@MoMoLuey I like animals so I don't eat them
@@nonalien-l1n Oh, I've heard that is really very healthy if you can do it. Good for you!
I have bad diabetes so I eat what I have to eat.
I feel bad for making the remark about David Grohl. That band has such bad luck, you can't help but worry about them>
@@MoMoLuey I've heard that red meat is terrible for diabetics
Narcotics and mandatory multiple boosters, not a good health choice
Not this crap again
Yep
It's all your fault, Dave. Gosh, it's like I'm enjoying this. HAHAHAHA I bet you felt like $#@& . That must've hurt. Wow. OUCH😅
Simply to much...how much can a MAN take
It appears that the industry will squeeze the life right out of you, if you let them. Drugs added to the mix can't lead to anything but tragedy. I think they expect too much from drummers who work the hardest on stage.
It's outrageous that videos are allowed! And when he said "i thought i had to be like Keith Richards" is embarrassing and like the Gallagher's said "we were worse before fame, we werent just upper class students experimenting thinking we are rnr like pete docherty" working class kids doing drugscis normal from age 13! I never knew anyone or anybolder people part from my mum that didn't do drugs!
Overworked 🤷♂️. No offense but
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He was intimidated by Grohl, not Goldsmith. Why would he be intimidated by Goldsmith? He's barely on any Foo Fighters songs
Even before the passing of hawkins i'm quite surprised how they managed the tour dates and they are goin full throttle even in thier 50s, its never been easy to be foos as we all know dave is filled with passion not money, sometimes drugs the only way for them to regain back the energy
😂 riiight
Taylor was not taken advantage of
Whoever made this video should be ashamed. Nothing but VULTURES. Just leave Taylor in peace, where he obviously wanted to be
Dave Suit. Bla bla bla, business as usual more more more. Never dug the quality " shrewd " best friends ? Yikes.
Sone people can do heroin and live a normal life and you would never know they were usin like some people can with drink but some people are like Cobain who become wrecks coz they are depressed also. Not everyone who does drugs become an addict but it will give you a shorter life like Hawkins
This is a nutty conspiracy
Why not do a video on mental health and pressures of a bricklayer??
Now that's a tough job.
@@thecbgladyiam a brick laying amateur musican, but iam on buprenorphine so
Enlarged heart? Sounds familiar. I know Dave was a big proponent of staying 'medically' current...
AI narrator?
sounds like it. they keep mispronouncing names and sound robotic af.
It's wrong to blame Dave
The world is evil. You could blame Dave. But then you could also blame Kurt for acting in an evil way too. And then you could say he should have never been borned at all. And I really like Kurts music. It helped when i was mentally in a tough spot to write my own music. More understanding, love and empathy.
The blame is on the whole organization for not listening to him about his issues and concerns. Mostly management !! He would still be alive and we wouldn't be talking about this if they had been not so greedy and thought about him instead of themselves. Something that's not being talked about is that , it's the same management that managed Nirvana. Think about the similarities.
@nunya7774 I hear you. What about Taylor, though? Does he shoulder any of the blame? He was a grown man who made the decision to carry on with that tour even though he felt like hell.
@nunyafunyuns I think the answer is yes. Maybe , partially to blame. Who knows , if the decision was driven by what end number is if you do the tour verses what the loss number will be if you don't. Dangling the carrot !
@@nunya7774foo fighters aren't signed to geffen 🤨
He had lots of side projects 😂😂 so he wasn't that tired! Amd people normally work everyday! Jesus no wonder so many men working Manuel labour kill themselves if being rich is hard
In interviews he was so looking forward to doing his side project with NHC. They were talking about doing shows that year. When was he going to fit that in? Makes sense what the friends said..the touring schedule of the Foos kept getting bigger and bigger. Side projects you can get to go home whenever you like and make your own schedule.
He was so tired? He toured and did shows with his side projects Chevy Metal and NHC. They had just done a show at the Troubadour in December 2021. I doubt he was scaling back.
He seemed more at ease with Chevy Metal and felt he could be more creative with Coattail Riders and NHC. He called the shots there and controlled the pace. He told Classic Rock Magazine in 2019 there wasn't a lot of room in the Foos for him to be creative. No one knows the level of those drugs. I suffer from a chronic pain condition and have been on many of those same drugs at the same time. Opiates, benzos, and tricyclic antidepressants which are used for many conditions including insomnia and digestive issues. He also had pantoprazole which is used for reflux. He smoked and had apnea. The enlarged heart should have been looked into when he collapsed on that plane. A lot of people depended on the Foos performing and I am sure he felt the pressure. It's easy to judge when you do not have all the facts. We do not know he overdosed. They never said he did. His heart gave out. It's just that simple.
About 1% of you will believe this but Grohl isn't the nicest guy in rock like he's portrayed. For those of you who know, you know. The music industry is completely controlled by Satanists and you don't become as successful as Grohl unless you play ball. Grohl's father also held a high position in Government back in the day, which has also been subverted and infiltrated. Grohl is no better than Courtney. He's actually worse. I'm not crazy, I'm educated about the situation. Grohl has blood on his hands.....twice.
Interesting
@@TroyNonnemacher It definitely is.
He makes a film about becoming possessed by a demon and killing his bandmates. Then the day Taylor dies the soundtrack to that film drops. What a coincidence.
Shit happens
You shutter at the thought right? It’s very sad and could be closer to the truth than we think.. except being worse than Courtney…
Rolling Stone is Garbage nowdays!
Nah, it’s always been trash.
Yeah that will work put down the speedballs for sone mountain biking.
Dave is obsessed w staying relevant. Certainly his thirst for the limelight was a contributing factor in the death of Taylor
Dave, uits all your Your faukt. Youte igoing to lose your wife and kids n a messy divorce. OUCH.
Rubbish! They were a massive successful band they toured in luxery and had long long periods off with lots of money to look after themselves and get themselves together but Hawkins obviously carried on using hard and living the rock star lifestyle. Dying at his age whilst drinking and drugged nearky every day is a normal age! Keith Richards,Iggy pop had given up most heavy drugs long before the age Hawkins died
For shame blaming Grohl for Taylor's death. They were best friends. This world tells us what we have to do it. Some survive, some don't, but we can always quit.
DG might be an evil bastard after all
Boo Hoo. So over worked. You get up at 4 or 5 in the afternoon and play drums for two hours a day. So rough.
If you start using, it's because there is something missing.You are not sure what, but the drugs stop you from hurting, especially emotionally, and the gruelling touring and the drugs will eventually kill you, and Dave must be wondering why his band mates keep dying too. But touring now is far more hectic because of the advances in travel and shipping, but it's more about relevance, and how much touring you have to do to stay relevant in the 3 second attention span of modern music fans, and how fickle they are now. That's what really killed him.
He, and Andy Pollard, shouldn't have taken the vax