Genestealer Cult Codex Review: 10th Edition Warhammer 40k

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  • @boolean6532
    @boolean6532 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    I love the "I'm super excited for this codex it's so good" immediately followed by 20 minutes of "this is worse", "this is nerfed", "can't do this anymore".

    • @piotrjeske4599
      @piotrjeske4599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Like the custodes codex :]

  • @kelseyhurst9408
    @kelseyhurst9408 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    @1 hr "i think the ascension day detachment is the best"
    @10min "its quite a big nerf from the index"
    Thank you for the review.

  • @EleshScorn
    @EleshScorn 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    Wow, it's pretty clear we got the B-team codex writers.
    It's as if the design brief was "nerf anything even remotely powerful and be sure to surgically extract anything that could be identified as fun"

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All I can say is that the GSC better get categorical points cuts.

    • @EleshScorn
      @EleshScorn 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@johnj.spurgin7037 problem is, points reductions alone aren't going to be enough. There's just no teeth to it now.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @EleshScorn Yesh, the only thing with teeth I can see is the Benefictus. Unironically. S12 1-2 shot psychic is night AT is neat, but it really feels like it falls short. At least I can homebrew units to fill the niche, but comp players having trouble. Perhaps the solution is massed mining tools? They have [Anti-Vehicle 4+]

  • @bennettgrimm2618
    @bennettgrimm2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Remember when people wanted their codex to come out?

    • @bennettgrimm2618
      @bennettgrimm2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@epiceg9464 what I meant was we used to look forward to getting a codex because it would have more options, where as now we dread getting a codex because we know it's going to remove options.
      This codex has 5 detachments, but each detachment focuses on 3 units, which feels more like restricting the units you can field rather than expanding them.

    • @dkminer9954
      @dkminer9954 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@bennettgrimm2618word its a horrible design philosophy

    • @galling2052
      @galling2052 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@epiceg9464 its downright limp without immidiate pointscuts. Flat out wet noodle faction now.

  • @eo8240
    @eo8240 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I've been building towards a potential vehicle detachment and at first i was very cold on outrider claw but im starting to like the idea of just having a mad max convoy moving around the the table in a group or 2 groups picking up sticky objectives while the rockgrinders full of aberrants peel off and get enemy units tied up in engagement. Could be silly fun. Also i LOVE the redeploy rule for vehicles

    • @VanguardTactics
      @VanguardTactics  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      that does sound awesome! if you try the party bus idea let us know on one of the livestreams! haha

    • @Dante_paints
      @Dante_paints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Vengabus is coming! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

    • @bennettgrimm2618
      @bennettgrimm2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Shame I can't bring my looted vehicles in that detachment though

    • @eo8240
      @eo8240 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@bennettgrimm2618 yeah the brood brothers changes are gonna hurt for a lot of players. Feel bad for those who invested in guard units but don't want to get stuck to one detatchment.

    • @bennettgrimm2618
      @bennettgrimm2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@eo8240 it's more about the variety, hard to do a mad max convoy with two vehicles

  • @KelstenGamingUK
    @KelstenGamingUK 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I genuinely thought you two were the same person before this video 😂😂😂

    • @iisaka_station
      @iisaka_station 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Lmfao they don’t even look alike 😂

    • @VanguardTactics
      @VanguardTactics  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      hahahaha that is hilarious 🤣

    • @Dante_paints
      @Dante_paints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Twins, Basil! Twins!!

    • @MontyTheMaker
      @MontyTheMaker 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ahaha

  • @JakeBuilds
    @JakeBuilds 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Can we fire the B-team codex writers yet? Like they've wiffed 3 for 3. Im sure 5 random players couldn't do worse.

    • @piotrjeske4599
      @piotrjeske4599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Tyranids , Ad Mecha, DA, Custodes and GSC they broke the 3 strikes and you are out a long time ago.

  • @EsperTripL
    @EsperTripL 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    B team codex designers, RIP

  • @augustzink8407
    @augustzink8407 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Dark angels, admech and now genestealers. All my armies have been fucked royally. I mean this is fine but they reaaaaally didnt need the massive amounts of nerfs.

    • @piotrjeske4599
      @piotrjeske4599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At least you stayed away from the banana boys and refused the allure of White Scars or Deathwatch.

  • @skillfulwave6592
    @skillfulwave6592 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Well, looks like I’m 3 for 3 on B team codexes. This is going to be quite the “fun” edition.

    • @piotrjeske4599
      @piotrjeske4599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well at least you can rorate the "fun" imagine some with just 2000pts of unfun or legends army.

  • @ThroatSore
    @ThroatSore 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well I'm glad he is excited.

  • @deeperestmeme479
    @deeperestmeme479 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    It’s ironic that with each each announcement of a codex for my army I feel dread

  • @worstwargamer2738
    @worstwargamer2738 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I Liked this video a lot ❤ but I think the 4 detachments have their uses depending on what your strategy is. One is a trading detachment, xenocreed, really fun to get stronger as the game goes on with the Reroll per turn (not round) for battleline ambush. The bull rush (biosanctic muscle Beach), the objective game (outlander boxing your enemy in their deployment zone all game), gun line (confiscated tanks) and the deep strike shenanigans detachment (Ascension host). The way they made the detachments is really fun and even if one is stronger than the other it really leans into different sides of both lore and strategy with the gsc range and there is no useless detachments. Xenocreed is weaker but so much fun, I'm playing them every game. Great job guys!

  • @Johnnythat1dude
    @Johnnythat1dude 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am pretty upset that our mid-tier index is now just...nerfed for no reason. Why did GW hurt us? The combat patrol that made this army affordable is gone, everything is genuinely worse, the detachments are bad and worse than the index.
    At this point GSC sales are gonna drop, GW is gonna cancel the army because they're like "No one wants to buy them".

  • @Kingtot
    @Kingtot 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Watched around 6 mins.. nothing but nerfs to GSC so far... great..

    • @lucastb1775
      @lucastb1775 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, so the points of the units can finally go down. We are supposed to be a Horde, not twice the points per model than IG

    • @jreimer666
      @jreimer666 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@lucastb1775 100% Cant wait to run horde melee

    • @JakeBuilds
      @JakeBuilds 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah. We got admeched

    • @dalemallon2924
      @dalemallon2924 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@lucastb1775 I feel like the "horde" aspect was covered by the respawning units. The difference is that it was a horde the opponent can't see, which makes it more of a scary guerilla force. Made it more unique than just 100 models standing there.

    • @lucastb1775
      @lucastb1775 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dalemallon2924 that is still the ability, and with more units there will be more consistent respawning. The coinflip felt bad if it was for a few expensive units, now there will be lots of coinflips for cheaper ones, that will feel a lot better I believe

  • @dragozfirzable
    @dragozfirzable 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Well time for gsc to go on the shelf until 11 edition

    • @AngryAcolyte
      @AngryAcolyte 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Damn you’re missing out then

    • @shaneguy753
      @shaneguy753 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@AngryAcolyte Missing out on what? Them nerfing literally everything from the index?

    • @bennettgrimm2618
      @bennettgrimm2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Lol give it 30min. and the points will fall through the floor and in another 30min. they'll realize no one has a table to fit that many models and in a month or 5 everything will be back where it was

    • @dragozfirzable
      @dragozfirzable 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@bennettgrimm2618 admexh and tyranids

    • @bennettgrimm2618
      @bennettgrimm2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dragozfirzable true, but those were never good and games workshop has clearly given up on them

  • @mixfrog6190
    @mixfrog6190 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Index was soooo much better 😢

  • @emilefortier1688
    @emilefortier1688 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Look on the bright side my fellow cultists: maybe the Astra Militarum codex will be awesome!

  • @Tosolo-dh2co
    @Tosolo-dh2co 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love Jordan, fantastic guy! Fun and full of energy 🎉
    Michaels a great dude when he can relax and enjoy the process.
    But seriously, someone give Stephen (there's your bloody H) a chill pill. He's a control freak with no chill. Im sure he's good at the game, but he sounds like an acchole.
    Stephen sounds like a middle manager with a power complex. Again, I'm sure he's good at what he does however that is no excuse for not treating people with respect.

  • @gigolome1
    @gigolome1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    slightly nurfed you say.... the codex is DOA

  • @OptimusMonk01
    @OptimusMonk01 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so can you take a generic cadian castellan in this brood brothers detachment?

  • @ergoproxy2461
    @ergoproxy2461 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This codex is the worst thing that has happened to the Gensteeler Cult faction since its release in the game! It's amazing how an interesting and successful faction can undeservedly receive such a nerf...

  • @piotrjeske4599
    @piotrjeske4599 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So if someone bought 900-1000pts of broodbrothers , now they dont have a gsc army ?

    • @JettHinde
      @JettHinde 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct unless they play onslaught and a particular detachment

  • @Dante_paints
    @Dante_paints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Anyone upset with the direction of GSC I am more than willing to accept donations of your stuff …

    • @lotharlights
      @lotharlights 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Buy it. That's the real proof.

    • @Dante_paints
      @Dante_paints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lotharlights I already have battleforce box on order and looking to see if I can get my hands on the limited edition codex on release date but still happy to rehome anything that is unloved now … also Cadians being converted/painted to do Brood Brothers 😉 your move 😂

    • @lotharlights
      @lotharlights 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Dante_paints Do you play or primarily paint?

    • @Dante_paints
      @Dante_paints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lotharlights both, I have been relatively uninterested in 10e until more recently as I have issues with the way GW has made things Legends (half a WE army overnight that lasted 6 months in 9e) and I’m already making predictions over what will be stealth Legended for Eldar. Not an Ork player but most peeved about what happened to them. I’ve been mainly HH since 2.0 dropped but played Marines and Knights (both flavours) in 9e

    • @lotharlights
      @lotharlights 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Dante_paints How do you intend to destroy vehicles and aircraft with your GSC?

  • @thetaleoftwoterrors5743
    @thetaleoftwoterrors5743 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Party on Jake!!!

  • @robertlowe4784
    @robertlowe4784 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I don't care who gets to run it, but a maxed out party bus meme list should be done as quickly as possible

  • @iisaka_station
    @iisaka_station 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I say let Steven do the party bus, and let Jake do MUSCLE BEACH

    • @Dante_paints
      @Dante_paints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Get Stephen to do Brood Brothers 😂 but yes Jake is Magus of our hearts with Muscle Beach ❤️

  • @dillonhansen3839
    @dillonhansen3839 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Welp, i already had to think ahead and do math eqautions and solve the cure to cancer to even do 1 turn with my models, now im going to have to do that all again but this time with weaker models...doesnt help that my gf uses high T orks, and now that aberrants are weakerish my frontline melee force is going to get shreded smh, i wont give up on my boys the day of ascension has to happen! Hopefully EC come out soon tho lol

    • @bennettgrimm2618
      @bennettgrimm2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Remember simplified, not simple
      Now read these three paragraphs and try and figure out whether or not you are in the one specific circumstance where you get a whooping +1 to hit

  • @BrandonElsdon-Bird
    @BrandonElsdon-Bird 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Damn we got nerfed hard 🤦🏻‍♂️ this update makes me sad

  • @KingBoOgie3
    @KingBoOgie3 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Steve Party Bus vs Jake Muscle Beach

  • @riddlesmithvr4649
    @riddlesmithvr4649 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank´s for the great review ! I think the codex is really thematic and flavourfull ... which is good... no detachment except the Xenobrood detach is a hard miss in my opinion. I´m personally looking forward to min / max the possibilities of the Host of Ascension detachment first .. followed by muscel beach and then (when i have the models) also the Broodbrother detachment. Yeah it may not be the most competitive codex out there .. but i like the challenge to win tournament games with niche armies / detachments 😎!Also this codex gives plenty of opportunities for hobbying and having fun with the cult !

  • @mocrispy8160
    @mocrispy8160 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    its interesting watching all the various channels go through this book, so far every single major channel has had a completely different opinion as to which detachment was best.

    • @bobbywatson2737
      @bobbywatson2737 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Most small channels really can't afford to be honest in the review, they're too afraid to loose the GW partnership 😅 ...

    • @mocrispy8160
      @mocrispy8160 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bobbywatson2737 what’s that got to do with my comment…?

  • @Kakashi-ip8mg
    @Kakashi-ip8mg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They murdered them. Nerfed the best units,Limiting brood bros. We were good but not Space Wolves or Necrons. Rise up and throw off your shackles 😂

  • @codytx2
    @codytx2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Stoic Jake!

  • @cetx
    @cetx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the most level-headed review of this codex I've seen. Thank you for that, Vanguard! *Jake party bus.

  • @Ragifex
    @Ragifex 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Why do you lie.... stop being GW toadies????

    • @VanguardTactics
      @VanguardTactics  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      We have been critical of the changes and said that a lot of these detachments are not competitive and some big hits to the faction. We do feel there is play in 2 detachments and some strong elements are still in this book. Do we think this is top table-level competitive, no. But, it does not mean this book is bad in our opinion.

    • @ergoproxy2461
      @ergoproxy2461 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@VanguardTactics hipocrits

    • @91CEO
      @91CEO 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@VanguardTactics Sounds like an army that can perform as a B- army on good match-ups, but closer to a C- or even D- against a good chunk of other armies. That's just my opinion though, as I think they went overboard with half of the changes.

    • @KelstenGamingUK
      @KelstenGamingUK 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They basically said the second detachment, xenowhatever comgregation, was terrible. Hardly being toadies.

    • @VanguardTactics
      @VanguardTactics  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@KelstenGamingUK you can’t please some people. Unless we shout doom and gloom.

  • @dylanlazard6411
    @dylanlazard6411 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like y'all who are doom saying the codex don't know what fun is

    • @bennettgrimm2618
      @bennettgrimm2618 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is kitbashing fun or not fun to you?

  • @AngryAcolyte
    @AngryAcolyte 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Will it reach the top tables? Probably not. Is this going to be an absolute blast for the 99% of players who have fun at a casual level? Absolutely. The detachment rules are a bit lacking but the strats, enhancements, and unit synergies make up for it. Very reminiscent of the Guerilla warfare playstyle from older codexes. It’s a good toolbox that will reward players that put in the effort.

    • @dalemallon2924
      @dalemallon2924 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I get where you're coming from, and the detachments do appear to have fun rules, but a lot of the "hidden guerrilla" force identity is disappearing the more difficult it is to return units, and the less punch they have when they do spring up.

  • @redrum923
    @redrum923 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    thx for doing all codex reviews except custodes. really easy to not follow you.

    • @VanguardTactics
      @VanguardTactics  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      If we would have done a review, what do you think you would have learned from it? It was leaked weeks before and would you have left us a nice comment, subscribed? We didn’t see the point in spending hours and resources to make a video that would be just slammed and was already leaked. Every single review costs a significant amount to make and when you only have a limited resource or time and money you have to prioritise.

    • @redrum923
      @redrum923 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@VanguardTactics i would have cared to hear your opinion and whats possible. other codicies also got leaked yet you covered them. i will just go to a competitive 40k channel that covers it all, you only lose here.

    • @AngryAcolyte
      @AngryAcolyte 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      They’ve got almost 70,000 subscribers. They couldn’t give a shit if you never watched one of their videos again.

    • @honey_badger1450
      @honey_badger1450 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@redrum923ohhh nooooo. Please don’t goooooo. Somebody stop him…

    • @BigMan-cp4pi
      @BigMan-cp4pi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      moron