The Leopard 40/70 Is VERY Broken
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The new War Thunder update added yet another anti-air vehicle that is better as a tank destroyer. Arguably, it's too good against tanks.
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The Leopard 40/70 Is VERY Broken
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is it this or the R3
Gaijin try not to add a ridiculously strong AA each update challenge
Casually are the Italian ones lol
Not this past update. Though the update before hand. They added probably one of the worst AAs to America.
(impossible)
If it was for me, every spaa should be like pantsir. Op. Fuck cas. Go to play air battles if you want to have easy life with planes. Let tankers farm their vehicles.
It's not even that strong. Just skill issue if you die from it. You can literally kill it with 7.92 so if you don't see it that's on you
850 hp, can go 65 kph, leopard 1 hull, 93mm flat pen, great turret travers (basically stabilised with ace crew), apart from the slightly exposed crew this thing has no downsides
I mean the whole can be killed with a light mg from the front is a pretty BIG downside. It's like if the asu57 was the size of the maus
Good thing almost every tank in the game can kill it with the spacebar then. Also extremely weak to aircraft, a single pass is usually enough to kill it.
overpressure. But yeah, even the r3 isn't as op as this.
@@samadams2203 The whole game is mostly about one or two shots. Armor is the least useful stat in the game. Its not World of Tanks where armor actually matters (that doesnt make it the better game, dont get me wrong).
@tigerbesteverything The R3 used to be as op as this. It had a full stabilizer at 3.7 when it first released and its ammo could've front penned t-34s
I feel like this should've been given the HE-VT, so we couldd have an interesting and effective AA at a higher BR to actually kill planes and not just be a nightmare for ww2 tanks
I happily take that gaijin pls
Gaijin: What's that? more SPAA that are better at destroying tanks than planes? coming right up.
Why would a version of 40mm Bofors without ballistic computer and programmator have HE-VT? I doubt such ammo exists for barebones de facto WWII era Bofors gun.
@@TheArklyte HE-VT works regardless of the gun having a fcs or not. as he-vt is just a he round with a small doppler radar fuze instead of a inpact or timer fuze. litte history, this tech first came about in old large naval guns at the end of ww2
@@TheArklyteHEVT technology was developed and put into service during WWII by the US navy and anti air crews in Britain.
When an AA fears planes more than tanks, you know that a lot of things are wrong
Real physical pilots don't wanna die. That's the difference.
From what I have seen this is how it is in real life too. Destroying AA tends to be the first thing air forces do.
@@Notmyname1593 Yeah, with standoff weapons, not strafing the thing literally designed to send you to the shadow realm.
The fact that the skink is at the same br when it’s so much worse in every way is criminal
It’s much better as an spaa as it can’t be strafed but yeah it should be 4.7 tbh
you mean same way sidam 25 is higher in br than gepard and one br jump lower than ItPsV 90?
This thing is basically the reverse of the R3. R3 has insane AA capability at a low tier, but this Leo 1 with 40mm turret has insane anti-tank capability at a low tier.
It’s also a leopard hull, so besides the turret your pretty well armored
Same as the Phong Kong, but people don’t complain about that one
@@txcgladiator4030 The Phong Kong sits at a higher BR and doesn't travel as fast, not to mention the hull is a lot easier to penetrate while also having guns with less fire rate.
Meanwhile kugelblitz nerfed to oblivion few times XD
- change the weird overheat mechanic (well it's alright tbh)
-changed magazine value (2nd update to this)
- moved to tier V with higher br (and coelian turn to tier 4) (3rd time update)
- mk108 get pen nerfed but still in tier V (back then it could pen up to 96 mm armor) (last update, but idk if its over)
@@txcgladiator4030bro no fucking way you’re comparing that shit box to the l/4070
Speaking of italian veicles, you should play the breda 501
Told him several times but didn't go anywhere so I stopped.
YES YES
I bet he keeps trying and getting strafed by planes nonstop.
Its funny cuz the TD at 3.7 has the exact same cannon and pen. Just 8 rounds though. (Extremely good at the br)
Was playing 5.0 China earlier today. I was unpleasantly surprised to hear “Leopard! 2 o’clock!” and was like wth?
Suggestion. Play the 3.3 Puma AT 6.7. as a German Main who hasn't got the lepkz yet, i can confirm it still holds up well.
Puma needs to be 5.0 tbh
@@Ohfiveeightteennah it needs to be 12.0 its to strong at 3.3
I took it to top tier, got 3 kills, 2 of them were MBTs. I hadn't laughed that hard in a while.
With PUMA at 6.7? 3 kills on average.
@@Alexein455 I said 5.0 not 6.3 you lobotomite
Spookston talking about chipmunks or squirrels when its clearly a snail in his walls
Not just any snail. It's THE snail.
Did everyone collectively forgot that there is a french spaa with the same gun on an amx13 chasis with better crew protection or something? at even lower br?
Yeah I was kind of curious if people just don't care about the AMX that literally performs the exact same when it comes to the gun
Wondering the same thing. It's a decent bit slower at 18hp/t but still fast enough, also has continuous fire but the AP belt has 3 AP 1 HE round instead of full AP.
Nah everyone has to kneejerk complain about new thing overpowered. Is this thing good? Yeah. Are there similar vehicles at lower BRs? Yeah...
You would get extremely similar results with the Phong Kong as well, at the same BR(the leo is better, for a variety of small reasons, but they are very similar).
@prestongarvey6858 The Amx-13 DCA is far slower than the leopard. Doesn't have a built in singularity on the front plate. Then also basically isn't almost a stabilized gun like the leopards.
You mean the ammo that protects the crew? You get shot and you blow up. It also doesn't have good reverse speed which is important to get in and out of firing positions.
Next up: Soviet man, a truck, and a DShK vs the world.
Theres a pretty obvious pattern with spaa vehicles. The zsu 57 2, pantsir, leo 40 70. Maybe gaijin will give us US mains a good spaa vehicle between the m42 and the m163
Gaijin on their way to add another rank 5-6 spaa instead
T249 vigilante when
The leo 40 70 is not a good spaa tho, it's a good td
T100 when?
Just learn how to aim the 40mm
Well if Gaijin we're to add the T69 MGMC (M8 Greyhound with a new designed quad mount turret for the Browning .50 cal.), people would lose their minds.
Or the T77 (M24 Chaffee with a sextuple .50 cal. turret). Either way, US mains will be happy that the US tech tree has a new low-tier AA.
I think the biggest reason this thing is OP is it doesn't fit the meta of the BR bracket. It plays more like an IFV but fights slow and lumbering WW2 vehicles
Although Gajin will probably never fix it. Because fixing it will be too much work.
@@aiedenoldstien9751 odds are they'll put it up in BR a bit, and/or nerf the Bofors pen across all platforms. Kinda like they did with the Wirble and Ostwind
@@rhystaylor851 The Wirbel and Ostwinds use different cannons. I don't think the wireless ever had a lot of pen. I know the Ostwinds did. Either way Gajin is probably gonna just slap all of it.
WW2 tanks seeing a tank 20+ years ahead of them: 👁👄👁
50 years ahead to be precise...
Gaijin: Moves many early cold war machines up away from late WWII
Also Gaijin: Adds this
Also, I hate how I see you and everyone else break my barrels with auto cannons so easily, yet I've shot tanks with 50+ 40mm shells and their barrels barely yellow. Feels bad man. Oh and I suggested it a bit ago, but I do think you should try the Celere Sahariano
Yes, the Celere Sahariano is really good as well!
Ik it sounds weird but aim for the base or the very tip of the turret, shooing the middle won’t do much for some reason
Hey Spook, you should play the Semovente 75/46 M43. It's a deeply overshadowed italian tank destroyer which can deliver an heavy punch but it's deeply ignored the potential it has. I am not gonna surrender in proposing this. I AM NOT GONNA SURRENDER, BE CLEAR! I A M N O T B A C K I N G O F F!
(Day 113)
Give this man his Semovente 75/46 M43!
Jesus bump it this guy is insane!
This is weird
@@fraservickers1257bump for the m43
“The tog is coming The tog is coming The tog is coming The tog is coming” On a side note idk why anyone is surprised that a Cold War tank at 5.0 is broken
You should try the VBCI
France finally gets a good IFV, but Gaijin gotta pay rent basically
I love high-pen Auto cannon tanks in low tier it makes the game so much fun and it’s super balanced. The L62 takes so much skill to use.
This thing is broken bc the front plate is too thick to pen but where the crew actually are has next to no armour so shells just pass straight through so it ends up being really hard to kill or disable before it kills or disables you with 40mm spam
It's broken until people start carrying a few rounds of HE like they are told to repeatedly by basically anyone on youtube lmao
Use spacebar.
@@This_is_a_burnerI carry he every game problem is it’s never loaded first
@@This_is_a_burnergee golly gee whizz I sure hope I don't get shot 50 times by the 1970s AA while I spend six seconds swapping over to HE in my Sherman
@@polygondwanaland8390 I mean yeah if you are the one being targeted then you're probably fucked, but if you see the thing taking out a buddy you can use your HE to basically one tap it regardless of what filler you got. Only caveat is that your buddy needs to carry HE and get your back too, which is a coinflip depending on the playerbase being in school or not.
I will always remember when the t17e2 just came out, when the british tree was still fairly new, it could pen like anything at its tier pretty easily
The only time spookston is not allowed to complain about cas is when he plays an spaa
It’s weird how this makes the third time that Italy has gotten an overpowered AA, and if the R3 and OTOMATIC are setting the example we can expect some nerfs soon enough
Can’t forget about the M42 Contraerero’s buff either
Otomatic became obsolete long time ago
@@stevenortiz9008 On release and for several months afterwards it was OP.
and how many years ago were those months ?
Clown.@@thisguyyyyyyy2723
Would love to see a video on the M43 75/46 please
WWII tankers watching Leopard I fly past them faster then any land vehicle they've ever seen...
Gaijin: "BuT HiStOrIcAl aCcUrAcY"
Also Gaijin: hehe, SPAA with Leo-1 chassis below 5.0 go BRRRRR
This is how war thunder teaches us about history
They take away stuff like the Panther II for being paper tanks, and then put a chassis designed in 1954 at 5.0
You should uptier the Chaffee to 5.3-6.7, the 100mm flat pen is enough for flanking and the tank itself holds up extremely well in rat warfare tactics
You should play jagpanzer cuz its just too good for 4.3
It has good cannon and armor that cant be penned by most tanks in 4.3
if only you wouldnt get uptiered constantly
@@jonhg92Now you get constant 4.7 games I have a 4.3 lineup (ussr) and never get higher than 4.7
@@jonhg92 UP TIERS ARE THEFT
2:29 the explosion here got me giggling for how cartoon-y it sounded
I prefer the AMX-10 DCA-40 more than this tbh. Although not as fast (18hp/t vs 23hp/t) it's still faster than most tanks at it's BR and has continuous fire instead of a short reload every 4 rounds and is 0.7 BR lower.
Yeah, was about to say, if this thing is so supposedly "OP", why is the DCA-40 at 4.3 bothering nobody? I honestly believe that it's a case of the people playing it, not the tank itself.
@@no-legjohnny3691 Dude, the AMX-13 DCA 40 compared to this thing is like saying some village kid with a musket is equal to a fully trained soldier outfitted with a modern rifle. It's not even a contest. The leopard is so fast it outruns turret rotation all over the BR. AMX-13 DCA is much slower than a leopard 1, and the gun handling is way worse due to the insanely bouncy AMX-13 suspension.
Oh, and by the way, both of them can be killed by coaxial MGs, except the AMX loses so much speed when turning and accelerates so slowly that turret traverse is usually capable of keeping up with it, unlike this thing.
SPAT (Self Propelled Anti Tank)
Yeah I can easily see this thing being changed to like 5.7 or even 6.0 very quickly
Gaijin trying not to give italy the most cancerous AAs in the game:
It's like a AMX DCA but even more overpowered because you're even more mobile and a much stable platform
There’s also the AMX-13 DCA which has the same gun at a lower or the same BR on an amx-13 chassis.
i just wish these spaas were actually good against planes
Gaijin must've been smoking some strong shit to add a Leopard 1 with a 40mm autocannon. Because the R3, BTR-ZD, anything else with a Zu-23, weren't bad enough.
i met it when it came out on first day. i didnt know what it was, it was hiding in the bushes, when i shot the hull i realised what it was and got slightly scarred ngl
@@robertharris6092 no i did not see the turret, i only saw the hull through a bush
It would be amazing to see a video about the other 40mm SPAAs around that BR (Fr and Swe) to see how they compare
Hey Spookston can we please see a video on Jagdtiger? I think it is a pretty underrated vehicle.
You made a video on the Object 268 so not making one for Jagdtiger is unfair.
Much love ❤
This, the breda 501, both italian fireflies, and the p47 make italy 5.0 absurdly strong (especially if you play ratty... so the perfect spookston lineup)
The fact that it's a lower BR than the skink is insane to me
@@robertharris6092 Ahh, yes, the Cherry Picking fallacy...
You can't kill the AEC AA or Crusader AA MKII with 30cals either, and they are below the Leptard. Skink can't rush around and delete everything either.
Vested interest in abusing it, me thinks. Same low rent argument style when the R3 was in vogue and German 20mms used HVAP like they were all MK108 30mm's.
in one 6.3 game I ran into and killed a btr-zd rushing a cap, a btr-152d rushing my friend, another btr-zd camping an objective, and a leopard 40-70 spawn camping. 6.3 is pain
It's not a chipmunk in your walls spook it's me, I wanted to finally get the answer to the question everyone asks in each q and a video.
No, he does not have a fursuit. But he does have a "German main for life" shirt.
11:56 You missed an opportunity to say "Tank Goodness".
day 1 asking spookston to play one of the tiger 1’s with the pzgr shells. over pressure is king
0:56 was so funny
Bro met a whole army with a light armored spaa💀💀💀💀
Sweden has the same gun in 2 vehicles at 2.7 and at 4.3 and I think at 8.0. Plus French and Chinese also have it
@Semi-Intellectual I fully agree. When I went down to 2.7 to spade everything I rushed through, those spaa were the greatest fun
@@robertharris6092 The 1936 L60 gun is not this post op L70 on a modern field carriage.
My boozer in statistics, you do understand the doctrine for using Bofors meant every gun with firing line fired on the target, right? This is why there is so much ammo expended per kill, because this is a fully automatic gun with ammo that comes in clips you simply run through the entirety of on principle, and you don't want a plane or some dinghy fucking your boat up in the middle of nowhere watery abyss.
tl;dr Highest kill scoring AA weapon of all time by a large margin*
@Semi-Intellectualthat's Swedish 2.7 vehicle is pure cancer during events.
Not true. The gun on the 2.7 L-62 fires at half the rate of fire and has less penetration (it's an earlier variant).
Imagine using AA against actual planes
0:36 i literally had the same situation as you last night i also heard something chewing wood at like at 3 am in the early morning, didn't slept well lol.
It's like the R3 T20 all over again
I'm also gonna say about this thing... the turret is really troll-y. Not only is it never going to arm shells, but it can be pretty hard to pick-out the crew members with your coax. Assuming it doesn't just pop into cover the moment you start retaliating, since you're never going to take it down in one go. Altogether, awful to fight/10
Controversial statement: im fine with where its at. Now i dont play italy and i mostly play top tier, but the leopard 40/70 is usable at this br. If you move it up it could potentially become useless like most spaas that are moved up. Instead of moving it up, teach players to be more aware in rb because the guys you played against had less awareness than helen keller.
It can still penetrate the side of a Tiger 2, so I call bullshit, as I have used the BTR to shit on them. You just want to abuse it. Copy pasta vanilla R3 logic.
"This vehicle is so OP a new vehicle needs to be added to counter it"
And
"This vehicle is so OP players need to be specially trained to counter it"
@GeraltofRivia22 its not that op. First of all you have to get to the side of most opponets to kill them. You have no armor. And most people in this video were absolutely braindead and had no proper map positioning. The m18 gmc is literally better in every way including mobility. Are you going to start complaining about that now too? And players need to be more aware. The vehicles not that op.
@GeraltofRivia22 "LeOPaRd 40/70 Op, Me sUPeR AnGY, pls move up" -average tunnel visioned warthunder player, ignoring the fact that the m18 gmc is basically better than it in every way and can kill targets frontally unlike the leopard 40/70
Here buddy lets compare the m18 gmc to the """"op"""" leopard 40/70. Lets start with the leopard!
Leopard 40/70 has no armor to stop anything besides machine gun fire, but just enough to set off every aphe round in game, meaning 0 survivability. On top of this it can be easily overpressured by he, and both gunner and loader can be easily machinegunned, not just by 50 cals since part of them are exposed. Ammo can be set off by 50 cals even from a longer range. Gun has up to 90mm of pen, which drastically decreases from even small ranges and has awful angled pen performance. The round is to small to reliably break gun barrels on larger tanks unless you directly hit the muzzle, meaning that the enemy has to be aiming at you. Which is bad. But it is automatic with a short reload. Its only plus. Oh almost forgot it has almost 0 gun depression since its an aa vehicle. So using hills and slopes is just a bad idea.
Its top speed is 66 km forward, 26km reverse with mediocre acceleration.
Now the m18!
Top speed:81 km forward, 26 km reverse with great acceleration. Already its significantly faster and has the same reverse speed. Has armor thats thick enough to stop 50 cals unless point blank, and a lot of aphe rounds will go through without detonating. It also has a much lower profile than the leopard, making it much harder to spot.(you can also cover it in bushes, making it nearly impossible to spot) its even better at flanking than the 40/,70 since its faster and has a much lower profile. Has apcbc with 149mm of pen, and great angled performance, meaning all tanks except for an angled tiger can be penned frontally and one shot killed (disabled if panther since youll have to aim for the mantlet) if you dont play it like
Your supposed to and dont flank for some reason. Its mobile enough to where you can relocate your position to a new spot if noticed. And its reload speed is decent.
Winner: m18 gmc.
10:30 SPAZZ MATICUS A YOUNG KING (jesus thought everyone forgot about this game)
Yeah that’s me in your walls, my bad. I will try and be a bit more quiet tonight. I just got a tad hungry.
I finally realized what the ending music on your videos is. I am now playing Halo 3 ODST campaign in coop with a friend, and it's one of the best games i ever played.
I want to see a video on the Semovente 75/46 M43 as well! (There's a dude who has asked for a lot of videos straight already, let's get him his Spookston playing the Semovente 75/46 M43 fix!)
my stomach just let out the mosy egregious groan ever 1 second before u said u became aware of how hungry you were lmao
Gaijin is really out here trying to say "Oops, all low tier autocannons"
4:21 this made me laugh for some reason my humor is terrible 😂
The Skyrim sneak popup had me laughing out loud well done lol
4:13 man really put Jurgen Klopp
13:14 So far that's Spookston's most violent flinch lmao
My bedroom was in an unfinished basement growing up. The mice came out at midnight, and I would occasionally wake to a spider walking across my groin. The privacy was worth all of that.
11:22 the way the camera moved, clearly a jump scare moment
This tank has given me PTSD. A lot of Italian tanks do this to me, especially the Breda 501; I honestly, hated it so much i memorized the engine sound, that if I ever hear it, I immediately switch to HE w/out hesitation.
Now the leopard is worse, it deletes at a slower and more painful rate
This single-handedly made me add Italy as my new main nation
8:04 "I'm rushin'"
My brother in christ you are in an Italian tank.
Boy wait til you guys find out about the AMX-13 DCA 40. It's all the way down at 4.3 with the same gun!
That was me eating the walls. I haven't eaten for months, I am going crazy. Just as you hear me move all the time I know exactly what you do all day Spookston. 😶
The leopard 40/70 is like a first person shooter how it’s so fast and can basically can kill any lol
The 15 cm sig in my loadout:
"Pls try it"
AMX-13 with the 40mm has nearly identical gun, more turret armor, a CRACKED turret traverse, all at a lower BR. You know what must be done !
I uptier Amx 13 dca to 7.3 and it´s still very good, I see no problem this going up in br
The way the dudes look down when dead and the just back up after getting replaced lol
"Let's be strategic about this" - *strategically dies to Tiger*
We had squirrels in our walls when I was a kid. They are horribly noisy. Got to get rid of those man😮 I feel for you.😢
“Bop bop bop”
- spookston, every single video
"I was about to do the most insane Rock Eyebrow"
I felt this, and literally did it.
0:57 Light work no reaction... okkkkk, it's got little kick
11:35 "Gordo you gotta out run that gun!"
"I got it I got it!"
Italians are given very few times to cook in War Thunder; But when they do, they deliver
00:33 There CAS planes in your walls.
I just reminded that there is a Chinese copy of this, its the T-34 AA, basically the same thing but with less pen, less turret traverse and worst mobility than this. And guess what..
It is at 5.7 BR :D
ngl I kinda miss old spookston when he made those video analysis on op/bugs/br stuff in war thunder(The tiger problem video). But still these vids are really enjoyable and funny. Keep up the good work=D
I'd like to see the super hellcat, I'm curious to hear what you think of it compared to a normal hellcat
I hope you are doing better? I remember reading a while ago you were having some bodily issues. Hope you are well!
You know everytime I play wt i hear spookston’s voice in my head especially when i die to cas or when a round doesn’t do that much damage.
Mainly “that’s unfortunate”
If you like 40mm, you should consider taking out the Crusader AA Mk1! It's a blast in low tier :) (attempt 116)
In the shadows, sleek and bold,
Leopard 40/70, stories untold.
Anti-air guardian, prowling the night,
Silent sentinel, ready to ignite.
Armor-clad, a formidable sight,
Roaring cannons, gleaming in moonlight.
Tracks that tread with purpose and grace,
Defender of skies, in its rightful place.
With precision aim, it locks on high,
A dance with stars, in the midnight sky.
Rapid fire, a symphony of might,
Leopard 40/70, guardian of flight.
Camouflaged whispers in the trees,
A predator born to put minds at ease.
In the moonlit jungle, it takes its stand,
A protector, vigilant, across the land.
Leopard’s gaze, piercing and keen,
A guardian of skies, unseen.
In the realm of air, it claims its domain,
Leopard 40/70, forever in reign.
Glad that I took a break from warthunder, I used to mainly play 5.3.
4:37 kv-1 chillin on the left
you are so wholesome, i love watching videos form you. The wot collabos are always funny. I play it casually and you're not that bad in it at all .
Italy once getting a good SPAA after R3 got put to 5.7
Spookston: this might be too good
Gaijin: whatever you say man
Italy mains: NOOOOOOOOO NOT AGAIN
2:46 to 3:03 i SWEAR to God, ive seen this in a Spookston video before, the exact same situation, Spookston said the exact same lines with the exact same tanks, music and even the Leopard 40/70. This is some intense Dejavu i just experienced.
Spookston: today i don't feel like put in any effort
Fanbase: wow what a suprise
Gaijin adding the billionth spaa to a different country, instead of mid-tier US
Gaijin, also on its way to nerfing US tanks again for the 69th time this year:
**stack of forum bans and bad faith arguments on their desk**
Cool, but you know what would be cooler? A video about the zachlam tager