The review is of the MB Pro 14 M3 Pro which starts with 18GB/512GB which for most is a great starting point. The M3 Max machines start at higher configs and are now the real pro machines, the i9 of Windows PCs. If you want max performance get the M3 Max.
@@andyH_England So the MBPro 14 M3 Pro has 512GB storage for $2,000 dollars. I like Apple, but they deserve to see a decline in sales for releasing this config. Also, how much of the 512GB is usable ? 16 MBP entry config is $2,499 with 512GB storage ?
@@bmc1222 I get what you are saying but year on year people make the same complaints about the price of Macs despite that being the way it is for a decade! If you cannot accept the price then it is not for you, but I use macOS for work and am in the Apple ecosystem so my workflow has been more productive over the last ten years and paying extra has been an investment rather than a problem. But each to their own!
I just updated from my 2015 Macbook Pro that took me through college and I LOVE it. This thing is a monster, albeit my last laptop lasted 8 years. We'll see what I can get out of this guy
I feel like if you take a shot of anything every time he said pro, you'd probably be dead at the end of the video. Wouldn't recommend for a drinking game.
Having used a base MB Air M1 for three years and had no issues and is super slick I will probably keep it until it dies. That is the problem for Apple. The M1 and M2 are so good that people cannot justify an upgrade, maybe for years!
Upgraded from a base M2 Air to a 12 core 18gb ram, 1tb ssd 14" Pro. Its a step up for sure. but not a giant leap tbh. I havent really pushed it hard yet. But It does everything I've asked of it. Pls the new Space Black besides looking really nice; doesn't show fingerprints near as bad as the midnight Air. I'm happy with my purchase.
@@Chimpur I did a similar upgrade, but from a base MBA M1, and only got a 512gb version. I find I can have all the apps I use plus Windows 11 in Parallels with no lag and no use of swap so far. I am pretty happy so far and feel this config will last me quite a few years. Though if I had opted for 16gb on the MBA M1, I probably could have waited a few more years before upgrading.
People tend to get all hung up on the performance increase. But considering they redid the performance core to efficiency core ratio .... isn't it smarter to checkout the amount of battery life we're getting while having the same if not more power output. I think actual usage of a laptop is more nuanced than raw power. That is what desktops are for anyways, for obvious reasons.
@@garrusvakarian8709 Well it's when upgrading any gadget including laptop in 5-7 years time that you'll really notice a difference. It's mind boggling to me people comparing M3 Pro to M1 Pro which is just 2 years. I still use my 2015 MBPro and it's been more than 5 years. Surely people still on Intel will benefit more from this upgrade than those already in Apple chip.
I still have a intel 2014 15inch. But I held off buying a m chip because it doesn't have ray tracing support. But now it does. I'm still waiting for proper benchmarks that uses that feature that I care about.
I held off on the M2 because of rumors of ray tracing in the M3. I'm glad the wait is over. I was given the impression current benchmarks don't take the ray tracing into account and software will have to be retooled to take advantage of it-so it'll only get faster than what is reported.
RT on these chips are still nowhere near Nvidia/AMD gpu levels. But nonetheless you should still get rid of that intel thing. M series chips will be a noticeable upgrade.
Theres a lot more variables than you covered. Battery life. Efficiency. Heat dissipation. Longevity. M3 pro has good heat dissipation and battery life at a decent price point. Should be tempting for anyone.
So to get this straight, you’re comparing performance based on someone else’s benchmarks that has not been validated? You can’t do a side by side but you’re just assuming? What a load of crap!
I get stuck on the fact that M2 Pro's 16gb ram is 200gb/s and M3 Pro's 18gb ram is 150gb/s. Which is actually better in terms of ram?? Less information can travel at once with M3, .. but it can.. store more information to be used at any given time compared to M2.. am I understanding this correctly?
My 14" M1 Pro battery is showing its age. Upgraded to the 16" M3 Pro, with a bigger screen, bigger battery, and more efficient chip. Not expecting a significant performance gap, but a larger screen and faster and more efficient chip appeals.
A few moment ago I was about to buy the m3 max base but I just realized that I'm not going to use all that power and would affect battery life so I ended buying a 16" m3pro 12/18gpu/36gb ram and saved some money... I returned my 16" m2pro bc I was in the 3 month return window..
Well, that's from your use case point of view. I have an office issued M1 Max for work purposes. But for light personal use I don't need all the horsepower. So I got the M3 Pro MBP Pro 14 with 18GB/512GB. I think of it as a luxury version the MBA (especially due to the much better screen).
I'm hesitating between the M3chip and the M3Pro chip. I think the M3 chip would fit my needs but I really like the Space Black color and it fits my budget. However, I notice at 1:26 some white lines linked to the use of the thunderbolts... Also, it has a 18hrs battery life, against a 22hrs one for the M3chip. What would you advise me to do? Thank you !!
I think that if you want 16gb then go for m3pro because when your workflow is heavy the m3pro has better battery because the lap has better cooling. Whatsoever if you browsing you get 12 hours instead of 15 which is light task but still 12 is alot + you get more performance for only 200dollar difference between the base m3pro and the upgraded m3
I ordered an M2pro a week before Apple announced the M3.. I still have a small window to return.. but do you think it's worth it to exchange the M2pro (32GB RAM 1TB HD) for an M3pro (36GB RAM 1TB HD)? Apple gave me a price protection refund because the M2pro was $400 more expensive NEW than the M3pro with the same upgrades. Edit: I do photo editing, a little video, and possibly in the future more heavy graphics type stuff.. but as of now, i don't necessarily need the new tech like ray tracing... etc..
Still rocking an M1 Pro entry level 14", it's still amazing for the vast majority of tasks. The only real thing that I'm missing, is the possibility for 2 external displays.
If you trade in your M1 Pro you'll get over 1k trade in value, I did that option as I got my M1 Pro for under 2k and it took the M3 Max cost down to what the M3 pro would have been. In all If the M1 is still good for you then keep it, in my case I really needed more power/ ram for data science plus my battery on the M1 Pro was around 65% capacity and I was always using swap memory. My M1 Pro is still a very capable machine. I probably wouldn't have upgraded if my case was many different
Which did you get for Data science? I’m in the same boat between the base M3 Max and the 40 core one. Is it needed to run LLM locally? I’m trying to build a portfolio.
I went with the 30 core GPU. I haven't had any issues yet it's definitely a beast. You can run LLM locally but id suggest upping the ram with the 40 core and storage or get external Nvme. I don't do heavy models on my MacBook and mostly work in the cloud for now. Id actually suggest getting a desktop as a work station with a dedicated graphics card like 3080 or higher with high Vram and a I7/I9 processor with 64gb ram minimum and like 4tb or more nvme for any language learning locally especially if you are downloading/ using large data sets and use the Mac as a portable device to show case snd work on the go. The issue is a Mac with same secs will cost astronomically more and have worse results then a dedicated high end windows pc in this field not to say Mac can do it but for a hearty price.@@j.echevarria8630
@@Calikid24 its really more for portfolios to get a job in DS so I may not need to go all out and use cloud services like you mentioned. What made you decide to go with the MAX? What type of tasks requires it for you?
In all honesty I went with the max cause I wanted a machine that I can use for 3-5 yrs with out any slowing down or swap usage. My work flow really only needed a M1 Pro mostly but I was using all the ram and a lot of swap and memory pressure was high so I went with the Max. I mostly use my computer for VM's, font and back end app development, graphics or digital asset creation & editing and I do sone generative AI for media assets but that mostly runs through cloud services currently or I use a combination of those apps not run locally except stable diffusion which is WAY faster now on the Max but still not perfect. @@j.echevarria8630
I saw a great video earlier today from Fstoppers saying that even going from the M1 Pro to M3 Max isn’t worth the upgrade. A MacBook with Apple silicon likely won’t need an upgrade for 3-5 years IMHO.
That is stating the obvious. Very few people upgrade every 1-2 years. I think Apple mentioned the average upgrade cycle is 5-6 years! That is why Apple showed M3 versus Intel machines; they will have to harvest new customers from there.
On the 14", I went with the 30 core gpu M3 Max. I preferred the ratio of performance to efficiency cores in this variant of the Max vs the M3 Pro chips. I don't strictly need that many GPU cores, but it will help me enjoy the small amount of gaming I'll do on the device. I'm also hoping it has better battery life than 16 core / 40 core gpu on the bigger Max.
the battery life on the 14" with the upgraded chips is worse. Matter of fact the selection you chose is actually the worst in terms of battery life. You would have been better off with the 16" since its battery is dramatically bigger due to the larger screen. im typing this on my m3 pro chip 16". im on 14 hours of use so far and battery is currently at 72%. so its a beast.
@@TwinTurboLsx I didn’t want to pay the extra $300 for the 16" to get the equivalent chip set + memory. If it was only a $200 premium like previous gen, I would have been more tempted.
not just worse battery, it will throttle a lot for a max chip on 14'' body, compared to 16". So continual performance is less than the max chip on 16", even though it is the same max chip.
@@tty2020 That was sentiment between the social media tech reviewers on the M2 series of Macbook Pros. I've accepted I might not get every ounce of performance with the 14" Max. The said, Apple promoted the 30 core gpu Max on its buy page and wasn't shy about getting the 14" 40 core gpu Max out to reviewers this past weekend.
The trick to avoid being upsold with apple is clearly identifying your use case. Make points on what is important for that use case to achieve its goals. Sort these points into roughly same sized groups by "doesn't work without", "nice to have", "no impact" (be honest with you, less is sometimes more). Get the model which checks all "doesn't work without"-boxes. With "nice to have" you get a little bit of wiggle room. Hints: don't look at the specs befor sorting your points into groups, add a price to "doesn't work without" and "nice to have", put the color into "no impact" and get at least 16gb ram whatever the use case. 9/10 times you will be surprised on what to get. Have fun trying :)
So…. I literally just got an Apple refurbished M1 Pro (Pro chip). Gets delivered today and this video made me feel better for not going with the m2 or m3 base.
Appreciate your opinion! I bought a M2 pro on the 22nd of October with an education discoun. It cost 2118€ (gift card of 150 € included). I have the possibility of returning it and buy the M3 or M3 pro. The M3 pro would cost 2358 €, so 240 € more. What do you think guys? I dont know if it's reasonable for the real upgrade based on the video
did excactly the same thing but i cant return mine since i got it on october the 12th. But i dont see a problem in keeping the m2 pro. Im not even sure if you would be allowed to keep the gift card
What is the best value if I come from a M1 16gb Mac Mini that is struggling with my video editing workflow? I don’t know if ai should get M3 Pro (base), M3 Pro (upgraded), M3 MAX (base) or M2 Pro refurbished
Since you have a "workflow" I'm going to assume that this is "work" and the videos it creates earn you money. In that case you should have a business and financial plan with an allocation for equipment budget. Get the macbook pro that meets that budget.
Taking a shot everytime you say pro 😂. I think I'll be staying w my m1 pro 14. The gains just aren't worth price. 90% of my work is writing code and the other 10% is telling chatgpt to write code. If i did more graphic intensive work then maybe but even displays wise I'm only driving a pair of xreal airs via nebula triple monitor setup
I have the base model m1 macbook pro and am thinking about upgrading to the m3 pro macbook pro because I use FCP on the daily and my m1 is struggling with all my 4k footage. Would it be worth the jump?
Just upgrade the M3 Pro to the unbinned chip and you’ll get the performance you want, cheaper than the Max chip. This video is not very clear about which SOC you are using, not cool.
Can you help me with your opinion ? I can buy an used M1 Max 16 inch(95% battery) or a M3 pro 14 inch new, both having the same price . What do you think is the best value ? ( general user)
my base m1 with 16gb ram freezes all the time. annoying beach ball loading ball. I can't have zoom open with more than 2 other apps without it lagging.
I came from a 2019 dell XPS - just got the m3 pro 14 - 12cpu, 18gpu, 16n with 18gb ram and 1tb - open box - the person literally used it for TWO days. instead of $2648.90 (10.25% cali - LA county tax), i paid $580.42 less = $2,068.48 otd...its pretty fckn amazing BUT hot damn I miss my little windows laptop.
I love my M1 Pro 16" MBP, I think it's "worth" the upgrade when they do something to the hardware because with my current developer worklow this machine is more than enough
Same here. There's nothing in these new machines worth upgrading. I have a M1 Pro 14 and a M1 Max 16 and they're still pristine and ultra fast for both my dev workflows (web and mobile)
QUESTION! I’m considering selling my trusty M1 Macbook Air with 16gb ram and getting 14” M3 Pro (either binned or unbinned). What do you think? Would that be a significant upgrade?
Thanks for your review. I have a question. Can MacBook Pro M1 Pro or M2 Pro Thunderbolt output 4k 120hz refresh rate signal to external monitor or TV which of course also support 4k 120hz?
Confused between the 14 inch m3 pro, 512 gb, 18gb vs 36gb or the 16 inch m3 max 14c/30c,36 gb 1 tb ssd. My needs are 4k video editing, lightroom and photoshop. I want the max but if m3 pro is enough, I don't want to overspend. Please help me make the right decision.
I noticed you mentioned that there was a configure the M3 Max on Apple site and save $200 when you get half the storage. I am having a difficult time finding that option on their site. Can you please help me with this?
What can be the nearest Windows Laptop which even provides more battery backup and decent gaming compared to Apple Macbook? Any suggestion? What is your view on Asus G14 6800S
Look. If you push the laptop with intence project you will get better battery from the m3pro because it had bettter cooling in real life. But overall m3 is enough power. The 8gb will work good with only web. For me its not enough. Lets say pycharm + music + discord + tabs is yoo much for 8gb so m3pro is making more sense since the difference from the m3 upgraded to the m3pro is 200 dollar
And "way more battery life" is 3-4 hours diff when you light work. Lets say you browsing instead of 12 hours you get 15 with m3 but once you heavy work the 2 fans are better.
the m3 pro does not have significant upgrades in performance, when it comes to multicore tasks. but the battery life is in another league compared to m2 pro.
What would you recommend for someone with no Laptop at all, who wants to start webdesign and development as well as start editing videos and pictures. I would be just starting out learning these skills but would like to make money of it as soon as I’m good. Thank y’all for your advice!
You'll get 32 GB and 1 TB storage on Max, which is like 600 dollars value by itself. Go with M2 Max. You'll get better GPU too. I'm going same path, but here in Europe no refurbished - hopefully starting next year there will still be some new ones selling. Have enough tax write offs this year and next year will need them too. No way I'm going to pay government a dime
I see a big jump for tasks which use AI. Like denoise in Lightroom is going from couple of minutes to tens of seconds however still lacking when compared to laptops with nVidia RTX graphics cards. You would need M3 MAX to get closer to the performance of nVidia. So upgrading from Intel Macbook is showing a jump in performance but lacks when compared to gaming laptops.
Im in a debate with myself because I bought a 16” mac m3 pro with 36 gb ram and 512 storage but I could get the m3 max 14” with 1 terabyte for the same price basically. Should i switch to the max while I have the chance? Idk that I would even use the extra power though.
About to release a video on a longer term review of this. I've used the Max and Pro at this point. If the Pro works for you right now keep the pro. The max is better, but I feel little difference in most of my own workflows.
If i DONT have a macbook, if I've been using an ipad pro since 2018, but i want a macbook to use for work while travel, writing mostly, HOWEVER I do a lot of 3D design and want to use Unity3D, some zbrush, photoshop, after effects, which model would you recommend? I would use these other programs sparingly on the macbook, not everyday. Everyday use would be writing softwares and maybe PS & after effects.
As much ram as possible, you can wait on a slow render but you can't work on an app that keeps freezing and crashing because of low ram, 36 gb of ram is good
This is definitely Apple’s way of building inflation into their products. It’s ever so slightly better. But at the same time, I think MacBook owners were so spoiled by the jump between intel and M1, we expect a lot now 😅
There are improvement a lot, It depends on what point of view you look at them. In my opinion the MacBook Pro M3 Pro (looking at other decidedly more in-depth reviews) makes a nice leap in performance compared to the M2 PRO (we're also just talking about the disk which is decidedly faster). The 18GB RAM part (not 16) certainly allows you to better manage bandwidth frequency changes on the CPU. The frame rate measured with games is decidedly better than on M2PRO. Performance varies from 12% to 40% more than the M2 PRO. It depends what review you saw.
Apple are re-aligning their product range going forward. Trying to make it simpler. So M3 is base (i5), M3 Pro (i7) and M3 Max is performant (i9). If you want performance above anything else then the Max is the only choice. The M3 Pro is for the occasional power user, and the base m3 in the MB Pro 14 and soon the MB Air M3 will be the ultrabook choice for office workers, consumers and education.
@@andyH_England what do you mean? They already have been doing this since launch of M1, M1 pro and M1 Max. This is not really new re-alignment. What people are pissed about is having a cheap macbook pro with m3 and 8gb ram which is not really a pro device.
pre release was eyeing M3 Pro as I want to have media power user capabilities (video/photo) and want option of 2nd external monitor, but unlikely to do much gaming or intense developer stuff. the M3 Pro ~2kish price range is about right for me and I would be coming back to Mac from using Intel for 2 generations of laptops. I like to optimize and usually tend to lean towards futureproofing my purchase decisions so in the past with what I'm seeing in this review and others about the M3 Pro being underwhelming part of the current lineup, I am one of those being lured/drawn/suckered into unnecessarily going for m3 Max. But I am being much more cautious than before as my computer/laptop usage is just so much lower than it was in the past, with so much now being doable on ipad/phone. Are there any suggestions if I am looking to come back for Apple silicon but kinda want the pro format (sd card and more monitors) - should i be waiting for MB Air or maybe buying an old M2 Pro which seems to be the sweet spot/something I should have done earlier this year?
Forget benchmarks that are probably not updated to run on M3. REAL WORLD application performance is much better on the M3 Pro, and already has been proven so here on TH-cam by several reviewers. TRUE, in a few tests, the M2 has the same or slightly faster performance, but overall, the M3 Pro has the edge. The more memory and storage you can put in it, the faster it will run, especially with lots of open apps and background processes. People upgrading from Intel or M1 or M1 Pro machines will see a difference. Personally, I don't see a point in an every year upgrade. Five years is more my speed... The marginal utility of a 15% to 40% speed increase is just that - marginal, and expensive. If you truly NEED the additional features and speed, fine, but if your software can handle your current workloads, then "meh".
While I can see that pricing point is smart from business perspective. The problem comes from consumer stand point... the moment you upgrade the storage, the price is overlapping, makes you rethink if you really need extra storages compared to performance
For what Apple is charging for MacBook Pros none of them should start with 512GB of storage or 8GB of RAM.
The review is of the MB Pro 14 M3 Pro which starts with 18GB/512GB which for most is a great starting point. The M3 Max machines start at higher configs and are now the real pro machines, the i9 of Windows PCs. If you want max performance get the M3 Max.
@@andyH_England So the MBPro 14 M3 Pro has 512GB storage for $2,000 dollars. I like Apple, but they deserve to see a decline in sales for releasing this config. Also, how much of the 512GB is usable ?
16 MBP entry config is $2,499 with 512GB storage ?
@@bmc1222 I get what you are saying but year on year people make the same complaints about the price of Macs despite that being the way it is for a decade! If you cannot accept the price then it is not for you, but I use macOS for work and am in the Apple ecosystem so my workflow has been more productive over the last ten years and paying extra has been an investment rather than a problem. But each to their own!
@@bmc1222 they wont see sales decline that much. There are people here who are upgrading just because of space black color.
Because they’re not selling enough?
In a free market, it’s a good idea to charge as much as you’re able to charge to move the units you need to move.
I just updated from my 2015 Macbook Pro that took me through college and I LOVE it. This thing is a monster, albeit my last laptop lasted 8 years. We'll see what I can get out of this guy
Same here!!
which one did you get?
Still running a Late 2013 MBP and works fine, honestly can't believe it's lasted this long. Looking forward to an upgrade though!
In the exact same boat man, coming from early 2015 mbp 8/256. cheers!
I feel like if you take a shot of anything every time he said pro, you'd probably be dead at the end of the video. Wouldn't recommend for a drinking game.
Have you tried the national treasure drinking game? Nothing is worse. Drink when they say constitution, a presidents name, famous historical date.
Etc etc
I saw this comment prior to watching it and quickly found that you would be dead within the first minute 😂
@@garrettdeangelis2443 Not even talking about alcohol lol, you might get water poisoning.
Lmao
I just bought the M2 pro this year. I think I'm good for the next 5 years.
Having used a base MB Air M1 for three years and had no issues and is super slick I will probably keep it until it dies. That is the problem for Apple. The M1 and M2 are so good that people cannot justify an upgrade, maybe for years!
Upgraded from a base M2 Air to a 12 core 18gb ram, 1tb ssd 14" Pro. Its a step up for sure. but not a giant leap tbh. I havent really pushed it hard yet. But It does everything I've asked of it. Pls the new Space Black besides looking really nice; doesn't show fingerprints near as bad as the midnight Air. I'm happy with my purchase.
did you keep your Air and will you still be using it?
What a waste of money. Wow
@chocclet Exactly. Oh and its less of a fingerprint magnet!
@@vintage0x I still have it; but I'm selling it.
@@Chimpur I did a similar upgrade, but from a base MBA M1, and only got a 512gb version. I find I can have all the apps I use plus Windows 11 in Parallels with no lag and no use of swap so far. I am pretty happy so far and feel this config will last me quite a few years. Though if I had opted for 16gb on the MBA M1, I probably could have waited a few more years before upgrading.
People tend to get all hung up on the performance increase. But considering they redid the performance core to efficiency core ratio .... isn't it smarter to checkout the amount of battery life we're getting while having the same if not more power output. I think actual usage of a laptop is more nuanced than raw power. That is what desktops are for anyways, for obvious reasons.
Generally best to wait at least 3-5 years to upgrade. Going up 1-2 generations won't make much of a difference.
@@garrusvakarian8709 This sucks.
I need a laptop.
but look at the comments here lol. Everyone is buying because it is space black color! So appealing!
@@garrusvakarian8709 Well it's when upgrading any gadget including laptop in 5-7 years time that you'll really notice a difference. It's mind boggling to me people comparing M3 Pro to M1 Pro which is just 2 years. I still use my 2015 MBPro and it's been more than 5 years. Surely people still on Intel will benefit more from this upgrade than those already in Apple chip.
@@Fear.of.the.Dark. I bought m1 pro after seeing m3 pro 😂
@@Fear.of.the.Dark. I can't be seen with the old model. With the space black, people will know that I got the latest. Time to trade...jk.
Just got this one yesterday for work and it’s a BEAST! Amazing laptop and very portable.
I have a M1 Pro and the M3 Pro is not a noticeable difference at all. Like you I thought it was time but the color alone is a hard justification.
I still have a intel 2014 15inch. But I held off buying a m chip because it doesn't have ray tracing support. But now it does. I'm still waiting for proper benchmarks that uses that feature that I care about.
I held off on the M2 because of rumors of ray tracing in the M3. I'm glad the wait is over. I was given the impression current benchmarks don't take the ray tracing into account and software will have to be retooled to take advantage of it-so it'll only get faster than what is reported.
Jeeez. Not the intel
RT on these chips are still nowhere near Nvidia/AMD gpu levels. But nonetheless you should still get rid of that intel thing. M series chips will be a noticeable upgrade.
Watching this after I just upgraded from my 2013 MBP to the M3 Pro as a gift from my parents for Christmas 🙏🏼❤️
Theres a lot more variables than you covered. Battery life. Efficiency. Heat dissipation. Longevity.
M3 pro has good heat dissipation and battery life at a decent price point. Should be tempting for anyone.
I come from m1 mba. I think it's a good leap
So to get this straight, you’re comparing performance based on someone else’s benchmarks that has not been validated?
You can’t do a side by side but you’re just assuming?
What a load of crap!
I get stuck on the fact that M2 Pro's 16gb ram is 200gb/s and M3 Pro's 18gb ram is 150gb/s. Which is actually better in terms of ram?? Less information can travel at once with M3, .. but it can.. store more information to be used at any given time compared to M2.. am I understanding this correctly?
would love an answer to this! confused by it as well
My 14" M1 Pro battery is showing its age. Upgraded to the 16" M3 Pro, with a bigger screen, bigger battery, and more efficient chip. Not expecting a significant performance gap, but a larger screen and faster and more efficient chip appeals.
I highly doubt your M1 pro battery went bad so quickly. It has only been 2 years since launch.
@@Fear.of.the.Dark. 80% is very noticable
I’m also considering the 16” M3 Pro. If you have it already, how do you like it?
A few moment ago I was about to buy the m3 max base but I just realized that I'm not going to use all that power and would affect battery life so I ended buying a 16" m3pro 12/18gpu/36gb ram and saved some money...
I returned my 16" m2pro bc I was in the 3 month return window..
@@moritzmyrzit gets stuck at 80%?
Well, that's from your use case point of view. I have an office issued M1 Max for work purposes. But for light personal use I don't need all the horsepower. So I got the M3 Pro MBP Pro 14 with 18GB/512GB. I think of it as a luxury version the MBA (especially due to the much better screen).
I'm getting the same and I thought about getting a MBA first, but went for the M3 Pro because of the HDR screen and ideal RAM/SSD config
I'm hesitating between the M3chip and the M3Pro chip. I think the M3 chip would fit my needs but I really like the Space Black color and it fits my budget. However, I notice at 1:26 some white lines linked to the use of the thunderbolts... Also, it has a 18hrs battery life, against a 22hrs one for the M3chip. What would you advise me to do? Thank you !!
Yeah^^^ what he said. Someone help us haha I’m jumping from a 2017 MacBook Air with 8gb 128gb
I think that if you want 16gb then go for m3pro because when your workflow is heavy the m3pro has better battery because the lap has better cooling. Whatsoever if you browsing you get 12 hours instead of 15 which is light task but still 12 is alot + you get more performance for only 200dollar difference between the base m3pro and the upgraded m3
There's also a variant of the M3 Pro with 12 cores.
Which makes up for a lot of the lower score shown in this video. Gpu with 18core m3 pro the same as m2 pro 19 core gpu
I ordered an M2pro a week before Apple announced the M3.. I still have a small window to return.. but do you think it's worth it to exchange the M2pro (32GB RAM 1TB HD) for an M3pro (36GB RAM 1TB HD)? Apple gave me a price protection refund because the M2pro was $400 more expensive NEW than the M3pro with the same upgrades. Edit: I do photo editing, a little video, and possibly in the future more heavy graphics type stuff.. but as of now, i don't necessarily need the new tech like ray tracing... etc..
Return and get m1 pro with same specifications.There is not much gape between them.)
So what i’m picking up is, if you spend more money, you’ll get a more powerful computer 🤯
i too got this conclusion from this video
Of course just like everything in the world
Received my 16 inch m3 pro yesterday. Very happy with it, probably won't upgrade again for a long time
Congrats! I'm thinking of getting the same one.
Still rocking an M1 Pro entry level 14", it's still amazing for the vast majority of tasks. The only real thing that I'm missing, is the possibility for 2 external displays.
If you trade in your M1 Pro you'll get over 1k trade in value, I did that option as I got my M1 Pro for under 2k and it took the M3 Max cost down to what the M3 pro would have been. In all If the M1 is still good for you then keep it, in my case I really needed more power/ ram for data science plus my battery on the M1 Pro was around 65% capacity and I was always using swap memory. My M1 Pro is still a very capable machine. I probably wouldn't have upgraded if my case was many different
Which did you get for Data science? I’m in the same boat between the base M3 Max and the 40 core one. Is it needed to run LLM locally? I’m trying to build a portfolio.
I went with the 30 core GPU. I haven't had any issues yet it's definitely a beast. You can run LLM locally but id suggest upping the ram with the 40 core and storage or get external Nvme. I don't do heavy models on my MacBook and mostly work in the cloud for now. Id actually suggest getting a desktop as a work station with a dedicated graphics card like 3080 or higher with high Vram and a I7/I9 processor with 64gb ram minimum and like 4tb or more nvme for any language learning locally especially if you are downloading/ using large data sets and use the Mac as a portable device to show case snd work on the go. The issue is a Mac with same secs will cost astronomically more and have worse results then a dedicated high end windows pc in this field not to say Mac can do it but for a hearty price.@@j.echevarria8630
@@Calikid24 its really more for portfolios to get a job in DS so I may not need to go all out and use cloud services like you mentioned. What made you decide to go with the MAX? What type of tasks requires it for you?
In all honesty I went with the max cause I wanted a machine that I can use for 3-5 yrs with out any slowing down or swap usage. My work flow really only needed a M1 Pro mostly but I was using all the ram and a lot of swap and memory pressure was high so I went with the Max. I mostly use my computer for VM's, font and back end app development, graphics or digital asset creation & editing and I do sone generative AI for media assets but that mostly runs through cloud services currently or I use a combination of those apps not run locally except stable diffusion which is WAY faster now on the Max but still not perfect. @@j.echevarria8630
I saw a great video earlier today from Fstoppers saying that even going from the M1 Pro to M3 Max isn’t worth the upgrade. A MacBook with Apple silicon likely won’t need an upgrade for 3-5 years IMHO.
That is stating the obvious. Very few people upgrade every 1-2 years. I think Apple mentioned the average upgrade cycle is 5-6 years! That is why Apple showed M3 versus Intel machines; they will have to harvest new customers from there.
to be honest M1 will last 10 years but Apple will cut off macos software update support well before the actual processor becomes slow.
On the 14", I went with the 30 core gpu M3 Max. I preferred the ratio of performance to efficiency cores in this variant of the Max vs the M3 Pro chips. I don't strictly need that many GPU cores, but it will help me enjoy the small amount of gaming I'll do on the device. I'm also hoping it has better battery life than 16 core / 40 core gpu on the bigger Max.
the battery life on the 14" with the upgraded chips is worse. Matter of fact the selection you chose is actually the worst in terms of battery life. You would have been better off with the 16" since its battery is dramatically bigger due to the larger screen. im typing this on my m3 pro chip 16". im on 14 hours of use so far and battery is currently at 72%. so its a beast.
@@TwinTurboLsx I didn’t want to pay the extra $300 for the 16" to get the equivalent chip set + memory. If it was only a $200 premium like previous gen, I would have been more tempted.
Same
not just worse battery, it will throttle a lot for a max chip on 14'' body, compared to 16". So continual performance is less than the max chip on 16", even though it is the same max chip.
@@tty2020 That was sentiment between the social media tech reviewers on the M2 series of Macbook Pros. I've accepted I might not get every ounce of performance with the 14" Max. The said, Apple promoted the 30 core gpu Max on its buy page and wasn't shy about getting the 14" 40 core gpu Max out to reviewers this past weekend.
You do lose half the storage space when selecting the Max chip on the 14” MacBook Pro but you also get twice the memory included in that extra $1k
Awesome Review, This was exactly I was looking for , Everyone else is just reviewing m3 max laptop which common people won’t buy
Jimmy - keep on killin it, love your videos man! M1 Max right here and hopefully for another 5+ years!
The trick to avoid being upsold with apple is clearly identifying your use case. Make points on what is important for that use case to achieve its goals. Sort these points into roughly same sized groups by "doesn't work without", "nice to have", "no impact" (be honest with you, less is sometimes more). Get the model which checks all "doesn't work without"-boxes. With "nice to have" you get a little bit of wiggle room. Hints: don't look at the specs befor sorting your points into groups, add a price to "doesn't work without" and "nice to have", put the color into "no impact" and get at least 16gb ram whatever the use case. 9/10 times you will be surprised on what to get. Have fun trying :)
Really like this format. Would love more of them in the future
what do you think of me upgrading from regular m1 2020 to M3 Pro ?
So…. I literally just got an Apple refurbished M1 Pro (Pro chip). Gets delivered today and this video made me feel better for not going with the m2 or m3 base.
Appreciate your opinion! I bought a M2 pro on the 22nd of October with an education discoun. It cost 2118€ (gift card of 150 € included). I have the possibility of returning it and buy the M3 or M3 pro. The M3 pro would cost 2358 €, so 240 € more. What do you think guys? I dont know if it's reasonable for the real upgrade based on the video
did excactly the same thing but i cant return mine since i got it on october the 12th. But i dont see a problem in keeping the m2 pro. Im not even sure if you would be allowed to keep the gift card
I was in the return window and returned... I did buy the m3pro/12/18/36gb/512gb...
I think you should do it.
What is the best value if I come from a M1 16gb Mac Mini that is struggling with my video editing workflow?
I don’t know if ai should get M3 Pro (base), M3 Pro (upgraded), M3 MAX (base) or M2 Pro refurbished
Since you have a "workflow" I'm going to assume that this is "work" and the videos it creates earn you money. In that case you should have a business and financial plan with an allocation for equipment budget. Get the macbook pro that meets that budget.
0:37 M3 has 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports. TB4 spec supports 2x 4k displays. Yeah I know all these names are confusing.
But what if this is going to be your first Mac book.
M3 pro chip 1TB model.
I plan on general use / DJing
Taking a shot everytime you say pro 😂. I think I'll be staying w my m1 pro 14. The gains just aren't worth price. 90% of my work is writing code and the other 10% is telling chatgpt to write code. If i did more graphic intensive work then maybe but even displays wise I'm only driving a pair of xreal airs via nebula triple monitor setup
I had to remove so many “Pros”. Saved you from taking more shots 😉.
M1 Pro is still goated! If I didn’t do YT content. I’d still keep mine!
@@JimmyTriesWorldThank you for your honesty.
Because the M3 Pro Binned Chip has 1 More CPU and 2 Less GPUs than the Binned M2 Pro chip
I have the base model m1 macbook pro and am thinking about upgrading to the m3 pro macbook pro because I use FCP on the daily and my m1 is struggling with all my 4k footage. Would it be worth the jump?
Does the 12 core M3 Pro show a bigger difference?
Just upgrade the M3 Pro to the unbinned chip and you’ll get the performance you want, cheaper than the Max chip. This video is not very clear about which SOC you are using, not cool.
Can you help me with your opinion ? I can buy an used M1 Max 16 inch(95% battery) or a M3 pro 14 inch new, both having the same price . What do you think is the best value ? ( general user)
Good analysis, thanks for that! Those are exactly my sentiments given that I too have been using a 16" M1 pro MBP.
Honestly, i dont know why apple keep doing this, they improve something and simultaneously downgrade something else...it's really frustrating...
What about upgrading from a base model M1 to an M3 Pro? Worth it?
I dont think so
my base m1 with 16gb ram freezes all the time. annoying beach ball loading ball. I can't have zoom open with more than 2 other apps without it lagging.
Where did you get this wallpaper from?
I came from a 2019 dell XPS - just got the m3 pro 14 - 12cpu, 18gpu, 16n with 18gb ram and 1tb - open box - the person literally used it for TWO days. instead of $2648.90 (10.25% cali - LA county tax), i paid $580.42 less = $2,068.48 otd...its pretty fckn amazing BUT hot damn I miss my little windows laptop.
I love my M1 Pro 16" MBP, I think it's "worth" the upgrade when they do something to the hardware because with my current developer worklow this machine is more than enough
Same here. There's nothing in these new machines worth upgrading. I have a M1 Pro 14 and a M1 Max 16 and they're still pristine and ultra fast for both my dev workflows (web and mobile)
Oh wait do you think Apple is going to wait until the release of the M4 to upgrade the MBA line up to the M3 chips?
QUESTION! I’m considering selling my trusty M1 Macbook Air with 16gb ram and getting 14” M3 Pro (either binned or unbinned). What do you think? Would that be a significant upgrade?
no it wont be. What is your actual workload/use case on a daily basis to upgrade to new 14" Macbook pro from your current air?
Finally a guy who doesn’t say you have to buy the latest hardware
I think that the m3 pros were given more ram because they reduced bandwidth from m2 to m3 so they added ram to combat this
Thanks for your review. I have a question. Can MacBook Pro M1 Pro or M2 Pro Thunderbolt output 4k 120hz refresh rate signal to external monitor or TV which of course also support 4k 120hz?
So . . . the way I see it, "up selling" amounts to two choices: Take it or leave it. It's your response not their's.
I’m upgrading from an M1 air, hoping I feel like I get my moneys worth
Confused between the 14 inch m3 pro, 512 gb, 18gb vs 36gb or the 16 inch m3 max 14c/30c,36 gb 1 tb ssd. My needs are 4k video editing, lightroom and photoshop. I want the max but if m3 pro is enough, I don't want to overspend. Please help me make the right decision.
I noticed you mentioned that there was a configure the M3 Max on Apple site and save $200 when you get half the storage. I am having a difficult time finding that option on their site. Can you please help me with this?
Select the lowest end “m3 pro” MacBook Pro config > select the 3rd chip option. Should be 3k total!
They want to reserve room for performance improvement for next iteration
I am using m1 mac, does it look like I can upgrade to m3pro mac?
Which mic do you use?
I need a new macbook for coding l. Should I risk it with the m3 pro or keep it simple with the m2 pro?
What can be the nearest Windows Laptop which even provides more battery backup and decent gaming compared to Apple Macbook? Any suggestion?
What is your view on Asus G14 6800S
lenovo legion pro or asus zephyrus g14
How’s the MacBook Pro M3 pro real life battery performance? I’m considering between M3 Pro and M3 base model :)
M3 has way better battery life than M3 Pro
@@NinaJerry but I’m kinda worried that 8gb of ram isn’t enough. I open a lot of web browser tabs from time to time for school and work 🙁
@@dailydoseof_lucas For web it will be fine, you can always upgrade to 16gb though
Look. If you push the laptop with intence project you will get better battery from the m3pro because it had bettter cooling in real life. But overall m3 is enough power. The 8gb will work good with only web. For me its not enough. Lets say pycharm + music + discord + tabs is yoo much for 8gb so m3pro is making more sense since the difference from the m3 upgraded to the m3pro is 200 dollar
And "way more battery life" is 3-4 hours diff when you light work. Lets say you browsing instead of 12 hours you get 15 with m3 but once you heavy work the 2 fans are better.
the m3 pro does not have significant upgrades in performance, when it comes to multicore tasks. but the battery life is in another league compared to m2 pro.
M1 is still more than enough for the vast majority of users. I still got the M1 MacBook Air and is still going strong!
Can you perform a Blender BMW benchmark test with the M3 Pro? (GPU - Metal RT: Enabled)
Need this wallpaper, could you please provide it
What would you recommend for someone with no Laptop at all, who wants to start webdesign and development as well as start editing videos and pictures. I would be just starting out learning these skills but would like to make money of it as soon as I’m good. Thank y’all for your advice!
Should I buy refurbished M2 Max or new m3 pro for same price
You'll get 32 GB and 1 TB storage on Max, which is like 600 dollars value by itself. Go with M2 Max. You'll get better GPU too. I'm going same path, but here in Europe no refurbished - hopefully starting next year there will still be some new ones selling. Have enough tax write offs this year and next year will need them too. No way I'm going to pay government a dime
I’ve just ordered one…it will be my first macbook, i hope it won‘t disappoint me :)
why everyone care for finger print , what is the problem about it.
Will you notice a big difference coming from the MB 16in intel i7 w/ 16gb ram ?
I see a big jump for tasks which use AI. Like denoise in Lightroom is going from couple of minutes to tens of seconds however still lacking when compared to laptops with nVidia RTX graphics cards. You would need M3 MAX to get closer to the performance of nVidia. So upgrading from Intel Macbook is showing a jump in performance but lacks when compared to gaming laptops.
Won’t be using for gaming purposes. More like photo + video editing, so I think it should suffice
Im in a debate with myself because I bought a 16” mac m3 pro with 36 gb ram and 512 storage but I could get the m3 max 14” with 1 terabyte for the same price basically. Should i switch to the max while I have the chance? Idk that I would even use the extra power though.
About to release a video on a longer term review of this. I've used the Max and Pro at this point. If the Pro works for you right now keep the pro. The max is better, but I feel little difference in most of my own workflows.
If i DONT have a macbook, if I've been using an ipad pro since 2018, but i want a macbook to use for work while travel, writing mostly, HOWEVER I do a lot of 3D design and want to use Unity3D, some zbrush, photoshop, after effects, which model would you recommend? I would use these other programs sparingly on the macbook, not everyday. Everyday use would be writing softwares and maybe PS & after effects.
As much ram as possible, you can wait on a slow render but you can't work on an app that keeps freezing and crashing because of low ram, 36 gb of ram is good
Its really disappointing that buying the new model doesn't offer any improvement and instead you need to go for a more expensive tier
This is definitely Apple’s way of building inflation into their products. It’s ever so slightly better. But at the same time, I think MacBook owners were so spoiled by the jump between intel and M1, we expect a lot now 😅
There are improvement a lot, It depends on what point of view you look at them. In my opinion the MacBook Pro M3 Pro (looking at other decidedly more in-depth reviews) makes a nice leap in performance compared to the M2 PRO (we're also just talking about the disk which is decidedly faster). The 18GB RAM part (not 16) certainly allows you to better manage bandwidth frequency changes on the CPU. The frame rate measured with games is decidedly better than on M2PRO. Performance varies from 12% to 40% more than the M2 PRO. It depends what review you saw.
@@Davesaintgold but do you really need it? I mean if you are serious about gaming, you should not be in macbook pros anyways ....
Apple are re-aligning their product range going forward. Trying to make it simpler. So M3 is base (i5), M3 Pro (i7) and M3 Max is performant (i9). If you want performance above anything else then the Max is the only choice. The M3 Pro is for the occasional power user, and the base m3 in the MB Pro 14 and soon the MB Air M3 will be the ultrabook choice for office workers, consumers and education.
@@andyH_England what do you mean? They already have been doing this since launch of M1, M1 pro and M1 Max. This is not really new re-alignment. What people are pissed about is having a cheap macbook pro with m3 and 8gb ram which is not really a pro device.
I want to buy a new laptop now, never had a macbook, should i go for the 16 inch m2 pro or m3 pro??? Thanks guys, my budget is max 3k
Thanks, I will be sticking with my M1 Pro, I had hopes and dreams but it’s just Apple being Apple.
pre release was eyeing M3 Pro as I want to have media power user capabilities (video/photo) and want option of 2nd external monitor, but unlikely to do much gaming or intense developer stuff. the M3 Pro ~2kish price range is about right for me and I would be coming back to Mac from using Intel for 2 generations of laptops. I like to optimize and usually tend to lean towards futureproofing my purchase decisions so in the past with what I'm seeing in this review and others about the M3 Pro being underwhelming part of the current lineup, I am one of those being lured/drawn/suckered into unnecessarily going for m3 Max.
But I am being much more cautious than before as my computer/laptop usage is just so much lower than it was in the past, with so much now being doable on ipad/phone. Are there any suggestions if I am looking to come back for Apple silicon but kinda want the pro format (sd card and more monitors) - should i be waiting for MB Air or maybe buying an old M2 Pro which seems to be the sweet spot/something I should have done earlier this year?
How would you spec your MBPro MAX?
8gb ram enough for data analyst student? I need to run parallel to use powerbi 😅
Get 16gb you’re having to load up windows and power bi desktop and it will start to struggle and page a lot with just 8gb.
I’m glad I watched this. I have the M1 Pro and was considering going to the M3 Pro. 😅
Forget benchmarks that are probably not updated to run on M3. REAL WORLD application performance is much better on the M3 Pro, and already has been proven so here on TH-cam by several reviewers. TRUE, in a few tests, the M2 has the same or slightly faster performance, but overall, the M3 Pro has the edge. The more memory and storage you can put in it, the faster it will run, especially with lots of open apps and background processes. People upgrading from Intel or M1 or M1 Pro machines will see a difference. Personally, I don't see a point in an every year upgrade. Five years is more my speed... The marginal utility of a 15% to 40% speed increase is just that - marginal, and expensive. If you truly NEED the additional features and speed, fine, but if your software can handle your current workloads, then "meh".
After seeing space black, I think I would much rather have space gray since this new color is more of a blueish tint.
The Midnight has the bluish tint! Space black just feels like a darker gray space gray
@@JimmyTriesWorld Oh alright
@@JimmyTriesWorld The Space Black also have coating like the Air? (Asking because of the chipping near ports)
I'm watching this video on a M3 Pro 14" that just arrived today to replace my M1 Pro 14". I have some mixed feelings too ...
Who else is still havinng maccbok pro 2016 👀 for 7 years now
I wish Apple made a nice simple functional mouse.
i needd a comparing with diferent colours and temps????
Pro M3 Pro replacing MacBook Pro M2 Pro and the new M3 MacBook Pro is your new Pro option - well done Apple naming these! 😂
Best review so far, and i've watched a lot of them
Thanks to Apples ridiculous prices Im going with refurbished base 16 inch M1 pro for 1500.
honest as always thank you for saving us from big hype, much appreciated
While I can see that pricing point is smart from business perspective.
The problem comes from consumer stand point...
the moment you upgrade the storage, the price is overlapping, makes you rethink if you really need extra storages compared to performance
Good explanation of Apple Silicon's lineup.
apple is a big fun of the decoy effect...
I stg if I hear the word SPACE BLACK AGAIN, or MIDNIGHT fingerprint this. EVERY. SINGLE. VIDEO
Updating every year or two is really for the wealthy or TH-camrs. Most people update their computers every 5-6 years.
They should name them:
MacBook Pro
MacBook Pro Pro
MacBook Pro Pro Pro
Will be easier to understand.
Apple made comparisons to M1... when they were introducing M3. This is not looking good...😮
Thanks, very useful and succinct.
Bring back the touchbar ffs... now it looks so boring