WE BOUGHT A NEW CAR! || THE BEST TOW VEHICLE IN AUSTRALIA? - price, weights & lead time compared!
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- Choosing a new vehicle to tow a van around Australia was not a simple decision for us. We deliberated over it for a heck of a long time.
Heres a insight into how we narrowed down what we think was the best choice for us. Comparing trucks (Isuzu, Fuso), yank tanks (F150, RAM 1500, RAM 2500, Silverado ect), Y62 Patrol, Toyota LandCruisers (VDJ200, 79 series, 300 series), Next Gen Ford Ranger, Ineos Grenadier and other mid size dual cabs like our Dmax (Hilux, BT50, Triton, Amarok ect).
If you're in the market for a new tow vehicle, I hope this helps you make the right decision for your needs!
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Great vid! I went the y62 as the main difference not mentioned is Ti is standard with 8 seats and can run it as 6 or 7 with a fridge and drawer setup. We wanted flexibility as a daily to pickup other kids/ friends etc. Gx 300 only a 5 seater. Hence you need to compare to the Gxl or vx for a real comparison in value if seats is important to you. Back seat room in the y62 is far more hence another reason I went that way. Both great cars.
What a great video video. Well presented and thought out, i think a lot of people will benefit from looking at the way you have thought this all through and presented it on a spreadsheet.
Hope the LC300 is a great vehicle.
Excellent vid Cam and well explained. All valid points for you and Tiff congratulations on you buy.
You have also saved me a lot of time with your attached spreadsheet. I was going through the same thing and come down to the 300 Cruiser or a Ram. 👍👍
Keep some oil close by. Toyota have released a statement of the 300 using 1.7ltrs in-between services. Definitely going to be issues with this engine in the future.
Real life reports are actually around 4L too...
@@jamiemckennon1944 wow!
I went with the Landcruiser 76 Series Workmate which I ordered in August 2021 and took delivery in August 2022. Perfect vehicle for my needs and absolutely loving it.
Great Vid Cam, congrats on your decision, exciting. I still luv my Y62 after 6 weeks, cheers Rob
Congratulations. I look forward to the build series!
Great video Cam a great way to break down a heap of cool cars! Congrats on your choice!
Really helpful, thank you. I’m in a similar situation tossing up between the Patrol and 300 series. This has helped me to make a decision.
Thanks so much for the explanation and your decision making process. We really appreciate your effort on this, very informative.
Cheers Paul
Sensible & safe attitude.
Worth listening to.
From experience you know what your talking about.
Great vid Cam. I always love your approach to working through the pro's and con's. And i too love the excel for that... lol!
Cant fault your choice for you, Tiff and the growing family. you've nailed it with the weights and working through those to get what you need, with some buffer. Its the area some get wrong.....
Hope ots not too long to wait.
And a quick question, in the GX what is the sound like. Do they have some sound deadening in it from factory.
Now that was a great vid! A lot of research gone into it, well done.
Great video really helpful! Best of luck with it!
Congrats on your choice I'm sure it's a great vehicle and will serve you well, for me I'm not sure I could go back to a wagon after having a ute with canopy.
Nice one look forward to the build .
Good work. I’m taking a different tack and am looking to downsize the van to reduce weight. Something around 2500kg.
Great analysis. I went with a GXL 300 for a lot of the same reasons. One thing we found is that the standard shocks/springs do not cope at all well with adding a bullbar and winch. It was horrible to drive. Forced us to upgrade to a Dobinsons basic 2" lift which transformed it back to a nice ride again.
Won’t regret it mate 300 is a awesome vehicle congrats!
Great video mate. A lot to consider but I’m sure that like you, a lot of people will be making their choice of new vehicle purely on what’s allowable with weights and budget. I know I will be on the next one. Thanks for making this video.
Thank you for the video, my wife and I are very novice and this explains a lot! Would love to see what you have done on the 300 when you get it.
Excellent video, so informative, many thanks!
Another good vid, and solid choice.
1. You can get pre rego gvm and gcm upgrades for most, ie: VDJ79 = gvm 4200, gcm 7400, and recognised nationally with lovels system.
2. When comparing 98 octane with 91 octane in same vehicle the cost per km for me was almost identical reflecting increased efficiency with 98 octane.
3. Y62 use tare weight not kurb weight like toyota meaning you need to add another 100kg for fuel, but still a nice car.
Wow. Impressed with your research 🇨🇦
Love the vid, can't please everyone so please yourselves. There is no perfect car and we've had alot, not as many as you! Can't wait to see the build series. Congratulations on your choice 👏
Absolutely spot on 🙂 thanks Justine!
I think you choose the right vehicle for you, a solid medium duty vehicle. I have a family of 6 and a van that weighs 4.3T loaded, so our only option was a Ram 2500. And once you have had a 6.7L cummins doing the pulling, nothing els compares.
Great video Cam. Awesome info for anyone looking to do the same. Cheers mate. Look forward to seeing the build and how she goes. Safe travels.👍
Cheers Mark 👍🏼
Great video as always. The spread sheet was great but is only WA specific which you explained. I spoke to lovells in Adelaide regarding gvm gcm upgrade for the new ranger and they will offer 4t gvm and 7.7t gcm .
Great video mate, we’re in this same position and future proofing is the biggest thing now. Really handy spreadsheet you’ve done! 🍻
Great video, I reckon you will be happy with your choice. Just a query on the Kerb weight of the Ranger. You used the ute weight and not the cab chassis weight. The Cab chassis is 200kg lighter. Even if you bought the ute, the tub would be comming off. This is what I am doing, as I wanted the touring pack, not available on cab chassis.
Great video Cam. This is how my brain works as well, crunching the numbers and seeing reality as plain as day.
Best of luck with the build.
Cheers mate! 🙂
Great vid. Quality research and info. 👍
Congratulations cam great choice I purchased a 79 series build may 22 received it July 22 after tray canopy and 12 volt system 85 litre bushman fridge kitchen pantry and 2 slide out draws on drivers side for me to work out of 220 watt solar panel on roof gvm upgrade 4200 and gcm upgrade of 7400 through lovells and diesel tune catch can new clutch and 3 1/5 inch stainless exhaust I have spent quite a bit but very happy
Bloody great analysis and an excellent video Cam. You hit the nail on the head with everything you’ve said as I’m in the same shoes as you however now get the benefit of watching one of my favourite Overlanders trial the car I want ha ha. Good stuff mate. My only wish personally is the diesels in Australia with all their strict missions controls are a piece of you know what when it comes to reliability in the Long-run. I just wish we got the petrol 300 like the Arabs.
Cam, I understand your phase of life. My kids are adults now. My Dmax, with canopy is set up for beach fishing or touring. I don’t want to tow a caravan. If I’m remote, I’m in a tent. If I’m around towns, I’ll do a motel or caravan park. There are too many old people towing heavy rigs on the road. I want to be light and nimble as I get older!
Congratulations mate! Thanks for keeping things honest including issues you are going to be sharing with the new truck. Much appreciated!
Excellent process of assessment. 👏🏻
Great review on the vehicles & U have made the best choice I’m also looking @ the LC 300 GX I’m towing a 2 ton junko around Oz with a ranger Biturbo 2L & it struggles on the long mountain areas 😎
Congrats Cam, we just set up our 300 gxl and couldn't be happier. Heaps of pulling power and very comfortable to drive. Good choice mate.
Cheers, great to hear! 😁
Great blog as always I went wit h the 300 but looking at Lovells GVM and GCM upgrade in NSW we can do it post redgo
Great vid mate.Lots of really good info
Cam your breakdown of which vehicle to purchase is very thorough. I to do a similar process to help choose the right vehicle. I’ve owned the LC200 and Y62 and now have a LC300. As you said the price difference is minor between the two main players. Being lighter and equally as well equipped as the competition plus more modern tech made me also choose the 300.
Good choice mate! Congratulations
Well at least you’ve made a decision. Both finalists are great cars! I hope you don’t need to wait too long 🤞🏻
Great video mate as always you explain every so clear and at the end of the day it’s what works for you. I have a 2019 Dmax and love them but am in a similar situation setting up for future plans and just wasn’t sure what to do. This video has helped a lot would be interested in following long the build closely mate pretty sure I’m about to order one also.
Cheers mate!
Very good analysis Cam, looking forward to the build series when you get tge 300.
Cheers Allan! 🙂
A great explanation on how you came to your decision. I think you are the only one who has dismissed the RAMS/Silverado due to size and weights. You are spot on imo. Not many vehicles could snatch a bogged RAM on a soft beach , plus a lot of 4WD tracks are narrow and tight. The bigger yank tanks wouldn’t suit anyone who like remote touring imo
Yes I tend to agree! They make a great tow rig though.
We just bought the Silverado, avoiding the beach unless we have similarly equipped friends with us can be limiting as can some of the tracks but to be honest, most of the time it’s just not going to be a problem, self healing protection wrap helps. Buying it stings a bit but then you price up a chopped cruiser and realise that the Chev with the mods I want, will still be cheaper than a stretched 300 and I’ll have a lot more power and not be on my limits all of the time. Having said that, with a lighter van, a modded but not chopped 300 GXL would be a brilliant choice.
THANK YOU FOR VIDEO
LOVE ISUZU NPS 75 /300 4X4 CREW CAB
Ripper video and excellent, well informed information.
Good video mate, I went from a Hilux to the new GR-S and couldnt be happier, much more comfortable for the Family and touring
Been watching your channel for quite a while now, and enjoy all of your content. I wish you all the best in your new purchase. I am loving our XLT Next-Gen Ranger, and as it is just my wife and I, we do not need any gvm upgrades to tow our 3.1T van. Once the car is finished at TJM, it will be a lot better on the road, and off-road for that matter. If you remember, I sold our Y62, as the fuel consumption is not sustainable long term ( especially when retired ) and we plan on going everywhere around Aus in about 10 yrs time. One thing that did shit me, was the noise from the contents rattling around in the fridge in the back, especially on rough tracks and roads.....
IMHO, the "hot vee" has to be the dumbest idea ever.........where will the heat go??
I just brought a 200 gx and coming from a 105 barn door
Love the vinyl
A great informative video, thank you very much, I'm looking for another car but more in the mid range SUV wagon.
I have a PajeroSport and have been very happy with it.
I don't tow but do camp out of it and have done various 4wd bits n pieces.
I have a few mods including upgraded suspension and A/T's and it does pretty well.
One bonus where we are is that it's registered as a 4 cylinder car whereas Utes are classed as commercial and a fair bit more to register.
Lots of videos on here comparing various options as well.
Good luck with it all mate.
I think Nissan recommend 95 octane for the Y62, not 98, although most people prefer to run 98.
Great video as usual. Good informative content,,you obviously have done your homework.
What amazes me is given travelling and caravans are a very popular past time, why is there not a vehicle you can buy off the shelf that doesnt need 20k spent on it to make it legal?
We have a 3.5t van with a 200 vdj that has a 3850 GVM. The gvm cost us 3.5 grand.
A very wise man once said, choose your caravan then get a car that can tow it.......
Safe travels mate👍👍
Great research, cheers mate
All though I am not looking for a new vehicle, I found this presentation very interesting and well presented
Cheers Rob!
Welcome to the LC 300 GX club, just got ours as you said lots of options available. Have just sold my 2014 BT50 dual cab which has served us well. With the LC 300 the options I added myself dual battery kit (Mudgeeraba Auto elec kit) Invicta lithium 100ah aux battery, Tow pro kit (Richard’s Auto elec), UHF and UHF click mount, light cargo/pet barrier from Kaon. GVM upgrade Pedders to 4090kg and about to get a Ironman steel bull bar.
Very nice 👌 congrats on the new car!
Well done and very thorough process Cam - I’m at the ‘elder’ end of life but relatively comfortable thanks to taking on the advice of others I trust and my own instinct - you’ve wisely prioritised the safety of your loved ones and others on the road but according to research a lot of folk are knowingly or unknowingly illegal road users due to their excess touring weight - a NSW chap has been jailed for six years after causing one or more fatalities when his overweight 4WD/caravan got out of control on a down hill road and destroyed everything - a good thing you’ve avoided the Ford Ranger with reports of complete screen failure, stopping dead from 80km per hour and 10 speed transmission overheating issues - Ford, Land Rover and US built vehicles have poor reliability - enjoy the new Toyota work horse.
Great vid mate. Watch out for the brake squeal on the GX, currently a known issue and no fix with Toyota as yet, possibly will be solved by the time yours is delivered.
My 300 has not been burning excess oil.
Great video Cam with valuable info for others looking to upgrade. Looking forward to watching your build when you get the 300 series 🙂. I already have a 200 series with a 4200 GVM upgrade towing a 3.5T van and its a balancing act with the weights. I hope a GCM upgrade in the future wil be allowed and ALL states under the same rules.
Cheers Graeme. Yes nation wide standards for GCM upgrades would make things so much easier for us all!
This was helpful ive got a 2012 Kakadu but its to small for me legroom wise, looking to go back to a ute but wont be towing as big a rig as yours
smart choice on the vinyl floor and especially the cloth trim, leather or vinyl seats really hurt 😮
Great analysis, just hope that hot vee doesn’t end up burning you!
Just a reminder to take extra oil with you on that big trip they are reports that the 300 is using up to one and half to two litres of oil between servicing good luck carrying a boat on the roof to that’s a no go to not to late to get a y62 sweet V8 and great transmission 👌
I am worried about the reported oil use in the LC300 as I am thinking of upgrading. I have now completed 27K (total odometer 68K) towing a 3.5 tone van in my unmodified 2018 LC200 and never had an issue with oil use.
Cam thanks for the video 👍👍
Awesome timing. Just sat on the toilet and was wondering which vehicle you’d got. Then suddenly the TH-cam gods and your channel delivered 😂
Now have something to watch while poopin. Thank you!
😂 haha might be a long 💩
Great video welldone how much do you think you will get for the D Max
Won't lie. Was realy hoping you go something else. In saying that I'm still happy for you and won't stop supporting the channel.
I daily drove a Ram 2500 diesel with a 7" lift on 37s for 12 years. Easy daily driver and the 14k lb winch in the front bumper took care of any recovery that was required. The truck was a little over $40k and the lift, winch, free spin hubs, lockers, winch and winch bumper added another $12k. Knowing what I know now I would always go 3500 with the diesel.
Ssanyong musso is a gem. Tons of room. Question mark on how quick parts can arrive. Cheapest overall without quality issues. Sometimes leaf springs get squeaky. Brakes are up there with the best. $50,000 with a canopy. Leaf spring ride is very good. Better than the T60.
Great analysis. I appreciate you already have the van, but for those playing along this is exactly why you go lighter on the towed vehicle say 2800kg ATM (saving 500kg). There's a WORLD of suitable (single axle) vans in that realm that would work
Y62 at that base price is only a platform, add at least $30k and it will beat any 4x4 on the market. ($130 - $150 is still better than the stock 300 series or F250)
ALL of those prices listed are for stock vehicles? Beat any 4x4 at what?? And why?
Y62s are a good rig, and has proven to be pretty reliable and capable. But I think the 300 is a better option for a tow rig for US. I can tell you why- It makes more torque, is more economic, diesel is more readily available, has a solid rear axle, more gearing, more payload, suspension is much cheaper to upgrade (also simpler/less to go wrong), there are more Toyota dealers around the country.
Great choice, and diesel all the way for me too. Congrats👍👍
Dont forget there is currently no mod codes or Roof Load certification upgrade path
- may be you will be running a toy level plastic inflatable boat to be within the roof load
- bearin mind, the roof racks will be some not to be neglected reduction in the actual payload the roof is up for
Not sure how it works in WA but if you go for the GVM upgrade in NSW prior to registration you will be exempt from the luxury tax and those money go towards the GVM upgrade. If it works like this in WA, you could remove the cost of the upgrade from your spreadsheet.
The back seats space in the 300 is minuscule compared to a Y62. Once you add 2 car seats there’s not lots of space left to the imagination (although you have the boot space)
Anyway, good comparison mate and good luck with your travels!! 😊
Didn’t know you owned all those previous 4wds! Love it mate
A few of those are on my list as well haha
Thanks for showing us all of the details and talking through your reasoning behind your final decision 🙏🏻
Cheers for watching! 🙂
Did you look into the oil burning issue Toyota don’t want to admit to?? Be interesting what your thought are on this. Especially since you are looking at long trips.
They are also cracking exhaust manifolds, has about a 6% failure rate currently. It’s always going to have problems being a first generation vehicle, better to wait a few years for Toyota to do revisions especially on a brand new platform
@@SUPERTRUCKER166 They are a Hot V This design has always had heat issues, especially in Australia's temps..
Yeah definitely have. I’ll do a video on it I reckon. Because I know I’m going to get a lot of comments about it after John Cardogans video the other week.
@@jjsadv well yeah I know this, it’s a common byproduct of that design. It’s a fairly common problem even on traditional setup. Wafer thin cast manifolds and reductions in metal quality due to covid.
Good choice, our GX will be here next April.
Awesome mate!
Sweet choice guys 👌 hopefully we can get a LS16 GCM upgrade in WA within 12 months
Cheers mate!
Love the spread sheets, I do the same thing :) great choice any of the 2 would have been great, but the diesel 300 will be better on the hip pocket when towing...
Cheers! Tiffs influence, she loves a good spread sheet 😂
Great vid. I had narrowed to GX300 as you went through your criteria. Wagons so much better than dual cab for families and day to day life (IMHO). They are small vs 200 but from dual cab - awesome.
Feels like a limo in comparison with the dmax 😂😂
Awesome video cam
Hey Cam, long time follower. I feel like this is one of the most informative videos I’ve watched!
I think you’re making the right decision too.
The only thing I think you need to consider weight wise when doing the big trip: 50L keg 🤤
Haha that's what the ATM upgrade in the van was for!🤤🤤
A lot of thought and research well done and a fair conclusion, everything does need a GVM upgrade $200 in parts and $6k for a certificate LOL (should have been a vehicle engineer).
Like a lot of us the 79 would have got more consideration if we just had the miserly extra $280k to turn it int a car LOL. Im sure you will love the 300.
Interesting just gone through a similar exercise. Don't forget the towbar Kgs on the vehicle.
Good Choice Smart thinking 99
Very interesting but a great choice and lots of food for thought ❤
Cheers Lee 👍🏼
Yep, coming from a Y62 you definitely made the right choice. Once you get over the awesome V8 there's no great thing about it for remote touring. I've rolled the dice on a 2nd hand F250 myself but you've made an excellent piont about the 300, but then again I've never really been sensible when it comes to buying cars!😅🍻 Love ya work!👌
Cheers mate 👍🏼
All the best with making your choice.
Few good options out there at the moment!
Love this as many of us will be doing the same great content
Nice choice and great vid
Congratulations awesome car so nice 👍 what are you doing with the dmax is it for sale??
Great analysis. Pleased to see I'm not the only spreadsheet based decision maker.
Well there you go. I got that wrong! I'm reminded of the old saying that opinions are like arxe holes. Everyone has one.
Good choice, go with it. Looking forward to your family adventures in the new car. Cheers
Haha very true! Cheers for the support! 🙂
what do you thInk of the new Prado 2024 release? Do you think it is comparable to the 300 Series?
Congratulations on your choice, can't wait to see the build series!
Thanks! 🙂
Good video.
2 thoughts. I purchased a second-hand Isuzu and it happened to have a gvm upgrade. But what I can't get my head around is the chassis. If you don't have a chassis which is strengthened then from an engineering point of view it seems like a half arsed job. And I can't imagine the manufacturer would agree to remedy a defect if you're carrying more than stated weight. The second thing is that l have spent quite a bit of time in Texas, and I was in Houston only a few months ago. As you drive into Houston from almost any direction there are literally miles of large trucks for sale. And guess what. They can't give the bloody things away. I've driven almost every large truck built in America across the southern states and I can say that roads are wider and car parks are bigger than in Australia. And even then these trucks are quite difficult to manoeuvre and get around. They would be horrible in Australian cities and on Australian roads which tend to be much narrower. The US manufacturers cannot believe their luck that they're able to dump their trucks here. And by the way you can buy a Silverado in America for around 37,000 after you take the ticket price, reduce it by the discount and then the bonuses which are offered including by governments as well as manufacturers. That's a car that costs around 3 times as much after taking to account conversion in Australian dollars. One of the greatest marketing coups the large US manufacturers pulled off in many many years.
I'm actually really keen to see what your drawer system looks like in a wagon after everything you've learnt from the dmax
Probably something quite low profile so the dog has a space on top! 🙂
Interesting choice. Im assuming you will put some sort of draw system in the back with fridge, recovery gear etc... and it will be permanently in rear which will limit your rear space for day to day use. Plus the rattling of thing in back was annoying. I changed to a ford ranger v6 because of the above.
But can wait for your build series
Cheers mate. Yeah it’ll get a pretty basic draw/fridge setup. Haha rattling drives me mad too!
Congratulations, we are thinking of upgrading from the 200 series and have been looking forward to your walk through on what decision you have made. The 200 series also has trouble with the rear axle weight. I am not close enough to knowing, but check and confirm the 300 series doesn’t have the same issue.
Interested to know about the 200 rear axle weight problem what is the problem?
Great video thanks for sharing all your findings! Lovells do have a GCM upgrade as well for the Ranger to 7.1 tonnes if upgrading the intercooler and radiator.. just a heads up!
No probs! No legal GCM upgrades in WA yet unfortunately.
No idea how it doesn't apply to every state hey.. @@WildTouring
@@adamannear yea it’s a pain in the bum to be honest! Kit can be federally approved, fitting it can be even be engineered and mod plated. But if the state department of transport don’t recognise/endorse/acknowledge it then its not legal or insured over factory GCM! Very frustrating!
Sometimes laws aren't based on maths, science or logic lol.
It shouldn't even sit with the individual like us, it should be at the manufacter's level at the design phase prior to release on the market, then that applies to all of the products IMO. @@WildTouring