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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- Four close man friends gather around to talk about Todd's magnum opus.
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00:40 The Starfield (and Bethesda) Discussion
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39:00 Destruction in Video Games
42:40 Are Games Are Getting Too Big?
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47:41 Creativity in Video Games
50:23 Steam Is Rejecting Games That Use AI
52:31 Destruction in Video Games (Continued)
56:47 Mechanics or Graphics?
01:00:49 Weight Loss Drugs
01:16:09 Wrap
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My biggest disappointment in Starfield is the lack of racism in it.
every bethesda game needs a bit of bigotry
They could have added aliens and set up different cultures surrounding each race and brought some conflict, like Mass Effect touches on or you know…..Elder Scrolls.
omfg well said like Mass Effect @@r.e.z9428
Bro fr can I just freely say the N and K word 😒.
Lol
I find it curious how StarField is either loved for being a Bethesda game or hated for being a Bethesda game
Goes to show a half the fans really dont know what's quality.
or someone like andrew who complains about a game being on an older engine but also complains about call of duty being reskinned and sold every year 😭 like at least bethesda puts in effort
It's a bethesda game for better or worse, that's it
Skyrim > Starfield
@@THExDUFFxBOMBx42777 the sky is blue
I think it's cute that someone fed a text-to-speech machine a bunch of reddit posts and then stuck sunglasses on it.
"Gee its almost as if I was a software developer"
@@TheBeefMonger for THREE WHOLE YEARS lmao
@GildedGimo three years? Well then he must know everything about developing a billion dollar game right? Bethesda should just shut down cause they'll never have glasses guy on their team
@@TheBeefMonger yeah I'm being sarcastic lol. I thought it was funny he said 3 years as if that's long, 3 years of experience is nothing
@@GildedGimo I know I read over my message and it seemed like I was flaming you lmao, I was also being sarcastic
within the first 5 minutes of this podcast two of the four individuals outed themselves as not having played it. these two have the strongest opinion against it. this should be a discussion between Jackson and Charlie alone. The other two should not be able to contribute to this discussion.
Facts. Andrew can give info and comment on the overall story of he's seen playthroughs; but he shouldn't be there to drive the point himself.
Boys on EFAP similarly talked about GOW Ragnarök when one of them hadn't actually played it himself; the guys that had, led conversation, and the other that only watched the playthrough just made general observations about the story, visuals, and asked questions about "it seems this gameplay mechanic would be awkward, how was that to actually play?" and the other's be like "Nah, you get used to it, it's not an issue" and he'd take their word for it and not be an ass about it.
Conversations like this don't need to be asinine.
Those two on right should absolutely be kicked from the podcast, they're always just regurgitating stuff they've seen on Twitter and Reddit. They also carry an insufferable smug attitude.
So he should have to go and play a game by a studio that he hates just so he can have an opinion on it? Then you can shift the goalpost to ask why he played a game just to hate on it?
@@ab2aasd He can have whatever opinion he wants. The problem is when he tells the guy who _did_ play it what to think against his own played experience.
"You say Y doesn't bother you, but I think it would bother me if i did play it" is a fair statement to leave it at; it's the repeated "I read otherwise, therefore you have to be wrong and in denial" as if it's a sure fact that's the issue.
@@samwallaceart288 Are you mixing up Charlie with Andrew or something? Charlie was the one who was giving the most shit to Jackson for liking The Bethesda Game. Unless you're conflating Andrew shitting on Bethesda for being a terrible developer and pointing out their incompetence as "trying to change his mind".
Kind of a weird debate when half the panel hasn’t really played the game
why is it so important to play the game before making an opinion? I can already see it, everything. We have played enough game at this point to judge a game without playing
that's not how an argument works. 🤦♂ opinions are based on experience@@igg12
Why is it important to read a book before reviewing it? Why is it important to taste food before reviewing it?
Because if you base your review/debate on others people's opinion that isn't your opinion or review, thats just someone else's views you adopted.@@igg12
@xeal5468 So you can form a substantial opinion on a topic without trying or doing research to form said opinion? da fuck?? no offense but that's one of dumbest things I've read on the internet 😂
And it's the ones thay say it's bad..
Andrew is literally a redditor here; spouts opinions that arent his own, says shit that's completely false (SSD has been known for a while that it's a requirement), and worse of all is making arguments as though he's some kind of authority on the subject.
I would question the source of the info about ssd given that Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart is on pc and works fine on a hard disk
How could he possibly still have an HDD in a gaming computer? I am flabbergasted.
My computer is 8 years old, with SSD'S, and they were not new when I bought it, I doubt it can run Starfield.
Don't bring Reddit into this, Reddit is great lol. These people just get paid for talking shit and they don't have the time to actually play what they're criticizing
Also he brings the the decade old engine argument lol. its an updated engine under the same name. It's like saying Unreal engine 5 is bad because unreal engine was first made in the 90's
@@mortache reddit is great? It’s been falling apart thanks to Spez..
I remember when there was a "THINGS WE LIKE" corner
Now evertime Jackson likes something, he gets interrogated
"Oh you like starfield? Name every planet" type energy in this one
Whell, if you're talking about food you enjoy and someone says "dog shit topped with spoiled caviar" you're going to have some questions.
@@Edward-Not-Elric folks are so fucking miserable now holy shit
I love watching Andrew drone on about a game he’s never played. He asserts all his opinions like he’s an authority on the matter and takes up the most air time talking when all of his opinions are just things he read on Twitter without touching the game.
Half his points aren’t even a correct viewing of the game or what the devs said you could do. All while managing to sound like an insufferable asshole the whole time who seems mad that other people are enjoying a game.
Definitely the kind of guy who reads 3 reddit posts about something, the avidly defends those points despite doing no other research into the matter.
Woah, easy now, he was a software developer for less time than kids spend in high school.
@@notalanrogers3173😂
Yeah he really sucks sometimes 😂 shitting on things for no reason
I haven’t played the game either and I simply couldn’t tell if it’s good or bad And if people enjoy it despite its flaws that’s totally fine 🤷🏻♀️ so be it
why would it matter to me 😂
I don’t think you love watching Andrew drone about a game he’s never played
@@notalanrogers3173 software developer or not, he is kind of a dick
also, i will forever believe that you cannot critize something you haven't even tried
I never seen a person have to fight so hard to justify they had fun with a game they played against people who didn't play it
Exactly it’s kind of bizarre actually
They make money by creating content…
Charlie played it.
@@misterbubba4yeah and he seemed the most levelheaded about it. Saying that what he saw wasn’t anything particularly bad, just that it wasn’t what he wanted.
This podcast is a shallow mudbar
I couldn't be more uninterested in starfield, but everytime Andrew argues against something I want to support it instead. I don't know what is is about him, but he gives off vibes of people I tend to avoid in my day to day. To each their own I suppose.
It's probably because he always says people can like what they want, and then shits on it continuously, which he does to try to convince people to not like things that make them happy. He's trying to tell people how to have fun, the same guy who apparently doesn't care.
Andrew is that friend who has an opinion with nothing really much behind it. When they do its pretty negative stuff because his friend's friend told him that thing is bad and he rolls with that opinion and chooses not to be curious and check it out for themselves.
He definitely doesn’t seem like a fun person to hang out with. He didn’t even play the game, he just saw other people hating it and decided that he was an expert all of the Sudden
Lmao I completely felt the same thing
I think it's because he has pretentious vibe around him. Like almost every time he talks it feels like he's looking down on people and think they are stupid.
This debate was awful, keep it up! 👍
lmao boring af just like Starfield. 😂🤣
@@GraveYardShif7 both sides did literally nothing to argue the case, because the defense has clearly deluded himself, and the offense were shitbag redditirs who didn't play it. If they had, they could have decimated him on technical points. His whole argument was basically, " well I liked games back when they were capped at 30fps and 720p, therefore it's perfectly fine to release a game of that era in 2023 for FULL PRICE" it was actually hard to listen to
@@vancodling4223 I think his point was that it has tons of flaws, YES, that it's inexcusable that the games 10 years old with loading screens and shit, and YES that todd lied with the planets and flying, but that despite all of that, what is currently offered inside of starfield is fun. And I agree, that's been my experience so far as well. The main story drops off after 20 hours in but the sidequests are amazing, after 60 hours in I myself am having an absolute blast with doing random shit in random directions and have barely touched the main story.
@@vancodling4223you take this shit way too seriously
@GraveyardShif7 Haha parroting what others say without any ability to think for yourself. Good little dog.
I swear Jackson is the only non-jaded, level headed, and down to earth person on this podcast. I almost had to stop watching when Andrew gave his opinion claiming HE KNOWS what bethesda can and cant do with their game engine because he was a fake software dev for a few years.
Jackson is one of those dudes who's happy and just likes and accepts everything.
He is right tho. Bathesda could use the same loading screen effect to load the planet, collision and everything else needed when the player approaches a flag they set. That's not a hot take at all. The game was just never intended to do that and they never cared for it. But they COULD push it out with an update too. You dont even have to be a game dev to know that much.
@@slendydie1267 I'm waiting to see how hard No Man's Sky style no-loading-screen planetary flight will be to do for a mod team, then from their efforts we'll know how incompetent bethesda was.
@@Bigglit’s impossible to be done because the planet is not a physical object and thus not fully explorable. The game works differently than no mans sky you can’t really think of it the same way.
Planets in the game aren’t really real, they are basically just data points in memory for fast travel to different loadable maps that you can explore. That’s why they were saying when allanah travelled for 7 hours she basically phased through the planet because it is a png image and not physically there.
If they were to do this it would be a huge undertaking no a quick fix. They would have to build every single planet in the game as a physical object firstly. They would have to set the entire surface of the planet as one loaded zone so that when the player approaches space deloads and the planet loads. Then they would have to shape the map sheprically to match the shape of the planet. Also they would have to remove any map boundaries and let the entire planet be traversable. Because if you are letting the player approach the planet from any angle, they could land anywhere on it. Also you will have to design custom landing functionality because right now landing in the game is a cutscene. There is no animation or game logic designed for landing. This is asking for entire rewrite of one of the core features of the games logic. It sounds simple on the surface but it’s extremely complex in reality. Trust me when I say it will never be done
don't see how anyone can side with Andrew or Charlie on this. Andrew read a few articles (he probably searched for the ones with outwardly negative views on the game) and is now basing his entire opinion on the topic on a one sided flawed perception. He even straight up admitted a few weeks ago before the game launched that he'd dislike the game even if everyone else loved it.
Even in his fallout 3 rants he had in the last few episodes were inconsistent and sometimes down right incorrect. There are people that have valid criticism against bethesda, Andrew isn't one of them though. He's a blind hater through and through. He actively wants bethesda to fail so his hatred for them could be justified
And Charlie straight up admitted that he doesn't even like videogames anymore and that they pretty much all bore him. And that the only reason he even plays games still is for twitch. So idk why anyone would take his opinion on the matter seriously
12:40 "You cannot run the game on a hard drive. You have to have an SSD or the game literally won't work and they never said anything about that." They told us back in June an SSD is required, 3 whole months before launch...
They are just inventing stuff, it's not that they haven't played the game, is that they didn't even bother looking what it was
Yeah and they said that so that they dont spend money on optimization. Really a 6800xt as a recommended?? They are crazy. It's just unoptimized and they justify it by notifying you in advance.
SSD is basically a given on any new pc nowadays anyway even my tiny work lenovo laptop gad SSD
@@Fiemus9but for a game. it's real sus.
@@joeywin42 oh okay, im not that smart on computers, why is it sus? (Genuinely curious)
Once he said “I read online the story was terrible” his arguments went out the window. How do you critique something you haven’t even engaged with😂
@komi8277 it’s wild how people really base their opinions off of other’s opinions on the internet. No type of free thinking is done anymore
It depends on how you feel about sci-fi and science in general I love the game and the plotline I thought it was interesting people are super decisive on the story some people love it some people think its boring
This is a super common thing for this game in particular and I don’t know why. The vast majority of people who’ve played it a good amount really like it. The only people I see that hate it either never played more than an hour so they didn’t even get into the meat of the game, or they never played at all and act like an authority on the subject.
You can set your watch to "the story is terrible" on modern game releases. Writers are hired by skin color and sexual preference. Not merit.
Ye
Andrew literally took having people tell him what his opinions should be without forming his own and made it his entire personality
this debate was atrocious lmfao
they gangbanged jackson, goalposted him like 20 times, then when jackson goes "ok let;s talk about a flaw in the reception w/ the flying to planets, no one wants that" they hit him with a "you're dismissing people who might enjoy that" even tho they spent an hour dismissing everyone who enjoyed starfield....
Yeah, only charlie and jackson have played the game. So basically the 2 other people are just bandwagon haters. Andrew even specifically said he's heard this and that about the game in his arguments.
The "AI going rogue" thing is actually in the game and it was one of the most well done random encounters so far. If you know, you know.
I had to let it go and learn all it could, I really connected with it in the aspect of wanting to be yourself and be free
Yeah I liked that one quite a bit.
LOVED that little mission.
Juno
If you piss it off it will come after you too 😂
I love Bethesdas take on RPGs, no one else makes them the way they do where you are a blank slate character and everything in the world is intractable. There’s 1000 other RPGs that do it better for the style these guys who haven’t played it want, I.e Baldurs Gate is one of the best games of all time. I hope Bethesda keep making the same game but in different settings with different characters forever, I adore their style
I do love me a solid character creation starting point. Lowkey watching Starfield made me wanna bite the bullet and finally get Cyberpunk now that the patches are out lol
@samwallaceart288 hey man, I have over 160 hours on cyberpunk from a preorder, about 60 hours within the first 2 months of the release because of the story alone, to the day it is still one of my favorite story's and side missions in a game I have ever played, gun play feels solid and direct but can get old after as many hours as me, I'd say do it the world itself is amazing I ruj it on a 2080ti I7 11700k 32gb ram but had 60fps with 16GB. Probably my favorite game apart from skyrim in that genre, also has some nice mods.
17:57 love how he brings up his hugely extensive 3 whole years of experience in “software development” and he is immediately the expert on the entirety of game development. Man why didn’t Bethesda just hire this dude with his 3 years of experience to modify their entire engine?
If it weren't for him, they would never know all they need is a boolean flag!
Glad I'm not the only one who was annoyed by this lol. A software dev for 3 whole years wow so experienced!!
ive been programming 11 years, dont doubt someone else whom has more skills than you, ive built entire games all on my lonesome, youd be surprised the ability one man can have when theyre passionate about something
I’ve been a software dev for 2.5 years now and can confirm Andrew doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about lol. Software development and game development are two different beasts entirely
@@SoullessScythegames you’ve made have probably been on game engines like Unity or unreal. Realistically we have no idea about how Bethesda’s game engine works as it’s only private to company use. There is a reason why the game has constant loading screens, Buggy character animations and physics. There’s obviously engine limitations in the way certain parts of the game are implemented and it’s why each game works similarly and feel the same from fallout to elder scrolls to this “Bethesda charm”. I don’t think the engine supports seamless open world, if they could they would have done it. The loading screens are definitely an engine limitation and had to be designed this way. The game already has a caped framerate on most higher end PC to 45 fps on average and can’t even run 60 on low settings. The engine by design is just completely faulty and finicky. The game is impossible to design on this engine to work like no man’s sky. To truly innovate they need to build a new one from scratch
Why are they trying to convince Jackson into hating StarField lol
I have no idea, it feels like there's a campaign of wanting this game to suck, and they seem to get mad when anything positive about the game is said, very weird behavior honestly 🤷
@@sayarimamani3605 Accurate
People were expecting it to be 0/5, and got mad that it's 3.5/5.
@@Yo_mama-yx2tn Yeah because they think everyone is actively ignoring all the faults with the game when in reality this is just Bethesda games to a T. Yeah it isnt innovative all that much, but it still has that addicting Skyrim level of gameplay. I pretty much hate Fallout 4. This game feels like a better version of Fallout 4 imo
It's popular on the internet to hate anything Bethesda puts out at the moment regardless of how enjoyable it actually is to people. People want to feel like they're a part of the ingroup.
bruh jackson (no way i jus misnamed him for andrew 💀) getting dogged on 😭 im with bro, im enjoying the game tbh
Same. I wanted to join and help him. He didn't even defend it just said yeah its not perfect but I enjoy it.
Jackson is constantly the most rational and level-headed person on this podcast. Dude just likes things and the other three spend the whole show trying to convince him that it's bad, even when they haven't played/watched it.
Yeah, Jackson is definitely my favorite person to listen to. He just seems like a normal guy talking about stuff. The other three can get pretty critical of stuff and just sound like they spend too much time on the internet.
Yeah and Jackson always has a good time even when he doesn’t like something. I wish he did more stuff of his own on TH-cam. He’s so likeable
agreed, im on playthrough plus plus and its still giving me more options of playability
This. Yes
@@oliverclothesoff3219ngl Jackson gives me heavy consumer vibes “well it’s by X company so I’ve *gotta* play it”
But Andrew and Kaya are kind of just… snobbish.
How can you debate about a game that 50% of the debaters havent even played 💀
You don't need to play it. I've played it, but I can guarantee if you've played any Bethesda game in the past ten years you've already played Shartfield
@@TheDrunkMunkjust repeat what moist said😂
@@TheDrunkMunkthen explain why it's shit. Cause I have over 60 hours and I can confirm the amount of complexity in the game is far more than many people have even gotten too in there first 10 hours. There's chances for random universe scenarios, the cities are extremely well made and filled with life and characters. Majority of the time you think the game is bugged, it's not, it's just you have to actually figure it out. Different planets have different weather affects. The amount of endless quests is exactly what your average Bethesda players wants. And the only people having issues with the game are pc users who have 500$ computers or are trying to run the game at max graphical fidelity.
@@TheDrunkMunknot true, fo4 and skyrim are significantly better in exploration. Gotta play one of those and starfield to see the diference
That's the mentality around starfield. Go to youtube ---> watch a 20 minute video on it ---> concrete your opinion about the game ----> go around telling everyone how bad it is.
Andrew has the strongest opinions that aren't even his, he just saw someone say it somewhere.
He really does 😅 he has ‘I only read the headline’ opinions
I would like each of them to have played 20+ hours and then done the podcast, otherwise, what's even the point of repeating headlines one has read lmao.
@@Xiler6969it’s not even a hard game to beat just play the campaign. That should be the minimum lol
@sayarimamani3605 yep because bathesda has always made top quality games for a decade. Give me a break, and tell me you're a blind fanboy without saying it
@@Xiler6969wait what... I just opened the video and they didn't even played the game? (Idk about Charlie since he made a gameplay video I think)
Jesus...
Props to Jackson having a spirted 1 v 3 with Starfield, definitely with him this time around, overall enjoying what they lead with, looking forward what they do next with it, including modders.
Everything else aside, the “20 year old game engine” argument is always annoying to me. First of all, that’s not even true. Bethesda remade their primary game engine from the ground up back in 2010, it’s called the Creation Engine. And if you’re complaining that it’s still “technically a heavily modified Gamebryo engine” then fine, Destiny 2 is using a heavily modified RTS engine from 1999 and Half-Life Alyx is using a heavily modified Quake engine. No one complains that “Fortnite is running on a decades old engine.” Unless you’re Minecraft or Tetris, you’re probably building off what’s come before you.
Anyway, that’s about it. See ya.
EDIT: I have listened to more of this podcast and I cannot believe what I’m hearing from Andrew. He is the embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect of software development. I am shook.
It was fine until Andrew said Starfield not being able to run on an HDD was never mentioned by Bethesda, it’s literally on the system requirements page.
I made a post just like this, lol. HDD has been obsolete for gaming for like 8 years at this point
@@Shmandalf HDD are cheap as fuck for a decade now and every gaming computers are sold with them, I don't understand why so many people keep complaining when new games need SSDs. HDD have hold back the industry for long enough
@@ShmandalfWorse thing he said was, they have a decade old engine and can't make the game run on a HDD, what does that even mean...
Yup it was officially communicated well before even early access
@@niidhogg9090 Especially when its not a decade old engine, its an updated engine under the same name. It's like saying Unreal engine 5 is bad because it was first made in 1998
Andrew has hardcore redditor energy
That's why he hates Reddit, he can't stand people like himself. Ironic, really.
Bro wears sunglasses inside and disagrees with popular opinions to say he has a "hot take" or be "original". That being said, his yt channel is still kinda funny and enjoyable, not trying to hate on him at all
he’s always been that way super annoying
"I havent played the game but its really bad and shit. Also I worked as a game dev and am very smart"
@@c0lonelmustard14 Yeah that game dev take was so brain dead
I like how Andrew says that Starfield is “just another Bethesda game”, and then his comparison is Super Mario Wonder, which arguably the only “big” change the game has is Mario’s new VA.
His complaint holds no weight to me if his comparison is just going to be another series that does the same thing all the time. Yeah a new Mario game is either going to be a 2D platformer or a 3D one. In each one you collect slightly new power ups, beat bowser, and collect a cool shiny thing (wonder seeds, shine sprites etc). How the hell is that different than Bethesda releasing slightly different RPG’s? 😂
Edit: he was actually so fucking insufferable this episode. Really bad episode imo
At least they weren't stockholm syndromed about their mutilated penises this time
Let people enjoy their game dude. Everyone is essentially screaming "stop having fun!!" because they are personally disappointed. There are still more than plenty of us who love the game, love what Bethesda makes, and find our enjoyment in our own way. Every single new game doesn't need to revolutionize the industry, sure there's plenty I'd change if given the option, but im more than happy with what i have either way. I still have 2 dozen hours since launch, and the joy hasn't even begun to fade yet
If you start an argument with “what I’ve read” you immediately lost credibility. You’ve formed an opinion based on other’s opinions. You have to play the game for some time in order to give your opinion, so many people love to hop on hate trains
"From what I read . . ." should always be the beginning to the question ". . . is that true? How was your experience?" Or be speculation where you know as much as the others.
Trying to refute someone else's actual experience with "from what I read" is just weak
I hope Andrew isnt senile and fighting ghosts today
@Savetion..Bots hit the podcast, too!?
@Savetion..lankybox can make better shit than that
Edit: did he take down the video
@@foggy1646bots are everywhere
Rip
This should have been a podcast between Charlie and Jackson alone.
Nahh 3 v 1 is how debates are supposed to be. Besides, they're morally obligated to stop their friend from enjoying something he likes. No fun allowed if you have a different opinion.
@@jameysaunders6420 3v1 and the other 2 are the most insufferable, uninformed, boilerplate redditor personalities to ever exist. Nightmare blunt rotation.
@@jameysaunders6420hahahha this is a genius response.
1 hour and 15 minutes of railroading Jackson for enjoying Starfield
As it should be for any Starfield enjoyer inshallah
@@satzbau9185 The game has problems but its still fun.
They railroaded him? I didn’t see that part.
Andrew: im tired and charlie and jackson are debating
Also andrew: im gonna just tear you apart and be an asshole.
Kaya: i hate everything, but not gonna demean my friend.
Charlie: i just dont like the story and a few other things, its not awful.
W Kaya as usual
Bethesda was actually really upfront about not being able to fly into planets. One of the first things they said in interviews was that you couldnt.
Yea seriously. Too many people had delusions of what the game was supposed to include
@gingergenius2411 well you'd have a super speed mode like elite so it'd be more like below 5 minutes
@@gingergenius2411 make it faster? ez
Yea I have no idea why people thought you could do that.
Them being upfront with dimming expectations for the game is because everyone had assumed that would be possible based on the scope and fantasy the game is explicitly trying to sell. It's irrelevant to the fact that the game still feels fucked up and disjointed with it's system of "exploration via fast travel" which would be alleviated by actually allowing you to feel like you're piloting a ship and exploring instead of just playing a dogfighting mini game that isn't very fun. The critique is still legitimate regardless of whether someone was informed ahead of time about it.
12:50 for months on the steam page it says "SSD Required" yes they should've been more vocal about it but they did say it on systems requirements after the showcase.
The game doesn't even have seemless zones yet I need an ssd to play it? It sounds like a technical mess.
Andrew proving again and again he is the Real Life Brian Griffin.
Andrew doesn't date bimbos or lecture about Philosophy, like Brian
@brianvillatoro6588 as far as we know
It’s so true but we all love Brian and Andrew
Lol, I didn't make that connection but it's great. I was thinking, "This guy is like Reddit as a human being."
I mean presumably he doesn't take advantage of legally retarded hotties and try to lecture them about how much more intelligent he is.
NGL this was a bit of a hard watch, Jackson just getting shutdown by people who haven't even played the game yet have a very negative opinion on it.
Most of the people who hate on the Twilight movies have never watched them, and yet there is not one person under Charlie's reviews crying about it like you, what gives?
@@insensitive919Hows that relevant?
The stars have aligned and so have the boys' webcams
And it's for possibly the worst episode they've ever made tbh. It's just 2 guys who haven't played it or seemingly even seen gameplay, and Charlie (who has played it and seems like the most level headed of the 3) trying to convince a man that he didn't like a game, despite him telling them that he has a soft spot for the genre. Like it's really just 1 1/4 hours of "I like Starfield because I like the genre and the idea behind" and everyone else saying "your not allowed to because the Internet told me to disagree with you". This should have been a small segment in an episode, if and only if everyone had actually played it and didn't just fight to the death for the common opinion.
I dont think hubs connected by loading screens is a bad thing, there are games where it doesnt affect gameplay at all and is seamless. The most recent example is remnant 2, where no one complains about the loading screens because they are fast and not noticeable as you are so immersed in the world.
They still could have made it more immersive. For example, in Eve Online, an ancient very old game, when you warp to a different planet or system, you see your ship warping. The warping is the loading screen, it doesn’t just fade to black.
@@g1u2y345 Just like in Starfield oO
@@g1u2y345you see your ship warping in Starfield as well though. If you want you can either fast travel immediately or take off in your shop and fly more immersivley. I like the options.
Copium for sure. In the older BGS games they had loading screens that expanded the lore of the game such as fallout and skyrim loading screens. How does going to black with a loading symbol not a step back?
@@mopeyhornet9213 The loading screens in this are also cool and unique because it gives tips like the other games but mainly, it cycles through images you’ve taken with photo mode which is an awesome feature.
Pro Tip for starfield for immersion:
1. Turn of Floating Markers and use scanner when required
2. Don't use menu for fast travel in space. Just take off to orbit then look in the direction you have to go select it with E and hold R to travel there. (If you have floating markers off just keep pressing E till you select the Mission destination or open scanner in space and see stuff)
That's a good idea on how to make fast travel. Looking at the planet holding a button and just playing a superfast travel animation around the ship. That's how Warframe did they Railjack travel but instead of pointing and holding a button you just choose it from the navigation menu. But it does beat a random loading screen for sure.
This should have been labeled “Jackson isn’t allowed to enjoy something because we don’t and Andrew should have made starfield since he has 3 years of software development experience and nothing to show for it” Jesus fuck this was a dumpster fire.
Loving starfield now and can’t wait to play again once all the mods start coming out.
why would you wait, there is extra content in playthrough plus, sounds like you havent really played it smh
@@SoullessScythe I get about 2hrs a day to game so I’m barely in it. But it feels like a Bethesda game so I’m looking forward to a modded play through!
me too man, hoping big for some good mods. my skyrim has 470 mods installed and my fallout4 has about 240so you know ima be modding the everloving goodness out of it@@ech0oo197
modders are awesome
Andrew trying so hard to change other people's opinions is the most Andrew things ever.
is he the top right guy? I don’t watch these podcasts but so far he has just said he’s heard it’s bad and I’m like bro have you even played it???(
@@slothorne8222 yes he is top right.
@AlyxDrongo no he literally always gets angry at people for their own opinions.
@@mook8799what? Wasn't he just having a normal discussion on why he thinks the game is disappointing and how Bethesda can keep pumping out meh games cuz people will buy them no matter what? I don't recall him getting or sounding angry
I like Andrew’s content but he’s the epitome of ‘my opinion is based on one headline I read’
I'm not a Bethesda fan but I get it. The Bethesda formula is something people simply really enjoy and it doesn't matter if they haven't innovated since Skyrim because it's something people continue to play and enjoy. Hell, I still see people in my friends list coming back to Skyrim.
Andrew trying not to be an ass over someone enjoying Starfield difficulty challenge IMPOSSIBLE
Starfield fans let someone have an opinion challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
@tameflames there's one thing to have and give an opinion, it's totally another to slander someone or try and invalidate someone for not agreeing with your opinion.
@@tameflames He hasn't even played the game. Why is he giving his opinion on media he hasn't experienced for himself?
@@thingymajiggyzI mean I haven't experienced testicular torsion but I can say pretty confidently that it sucks
@zuzu2365 Welcome to the internet, where no matter your opinion, someone is gonna try and change it, Love Starfield? People who hate it will try and make you hate it. Hate Starfield? People who love it will try and make you love it too, there is no winning
andrew is the exact type of person you DONT invite to debates like these😂
Dude how is this enjoyable to watch. "zealot why do you like this game", "i think its a solid 8 its fun and i enjoy these things about it", "yeah but thats not fun", "it is to me", "here let me keep repeating that it's not fun and just ignore everything you say about the game that you enjoy"
Sometimes I wish this podcast was just Charlie andJackson
this video literally represents what its like to have an opinion nowadays
"Oh you enjoy a good thing? I read somewhere that the thing is actually not perfect, how dare you!"
@@mortache Sums it u yeah, its ok to not enjoy it but its pretty obvious by its very positive on steam that those who play it, tend to like it. Its funny though that almost no other companies, any that I could name, release a game that gets a very positive response somehow gets sh*t talked so much and treated like its controversial to like it.
Also do people understand that our $70 now is worth less than our $60 5 or so years ago? Bigger number doesn't make it more valuable compared to old numbers when ut comes to finances, everone is feeling the effects of inflation so to ignore it is dumb. Games aren;t going to be $60 forever. nor $70 or $80 ect.
Yeah it was frustrating as someone who us loving starfielf even the 20 hours everyone sucked I enjoyed. It's far from perfect and not pushing shit. But I'm extremely happy with it. It's performance is shit but I do love the Bethesda game. I'm actually happy they didnt do what it sounded like they were doing. I didn't care about explorations nearly as much.
@@mortache ive never played a bethesda game before this and i got the game free with a cpu and i was sold on the hype. Im in it disappointed tho.
Someone hurt your feelings talking about this game huh?
Every week i walk up to the laundrymat and listen to this podcast. I waited 2 days for this to come out and kept delaying walking up until it came out. Today i just decided i had to go without it. Once i got home it came out lol
A fine reward
It's typically released on Spotify before being posted on Charlie's channel. If you don't mind the absence of a visual component, I would recommend listening there instead.
@@DoodleTheFish thanks ill check next time if its not out on hete yet
Charlie got gobslamacked in that sci-fi argument 😭
"Gobslamacked" 💀
Gooberwacked
yea idk I feel like Jackson was making a good point with Star Wars and they just ignored it and then he named more and they were like “no we meant only games” just ignoring his points
Yeah, they moved the goalposts like 3 times in that one question. First it was just SCI-FI, then it was Sci-FI he's never liked ever, then it was just Sci-Fi Games. Charlie is usually really a great debater to listen to, but that was kinda silly of him to do.@@slothorne8222
@@slothorne8222 his point with Star Wars was so on point, he doesn't just gobble up sci-fi if he used to love Star wars and doesnt anymore
Charlie truly is the biggest fence sitter.
He stopped having real opinions around 2020
@@rq4740yeah I can somewhat see that. But I just started the episode what exactly was he “fence sitting” about?
Well i really wanted a Bethesda game in space. And the graphics have clearly improved , i mean you can see it with your own eyes. The games been perfect so far for me.
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@@Greenghoulsbuddymad they enjoyed it hug? Seethe more
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im impressed how neutral charlie is being on this debate like he admits that the game isnt bad while also saying the problems its a good breath of fresh air to see people be neutral during debates
edit: by saying how neutral charlie was being in this debate i somehow caused the debate to go on even more man i love the internet
Funnily enough Jackson and Charlie (the two people who've actually played it) say its good at least, and yet the loudest most negative opinions are from the only two who haven't touched it.
@@jacobmoore4493 it basically how the feedback on this game has been received since its release lol. So many people have said “I have heard” and ironically they are the ones who hate it the most… but haven’t actually played it..
@@jacobmoore4493the argument isn’t about it being good, one of the most ambitious releases of a franchise shouldn’t be praised for being just “good”. This is a first party exclusive with the incentive of selling their product with it, there’s no excuse for it being another shallow Bethesda hiccup
@@jacobmoore4493I mean I've played it. It's not bad it's just kinda mid. I don't hate the fact that I bought the game, I'm just probably never gonna finish it any time soon thanks to baldurs gate3.
@@gobackpls3029 Game has been in development for 8 years, microsoft only acquired it like a year or two ago. Besides, i wouldnt expect bethesda to go hogwild and create the next rdr2, people wanted a bethesda game, they made a bethesda game. Although they should have improved upon various qol features and some of the jank while keeping the spirit genuine, but i guess thats what mods are for.
Andrew seems upset that people can enjoy things that he doesn't
Hilarious, he's never even played the game. He just doesn't like bethesda and is latching onto the reviews that supports his bias.
@@stkkjj”I’ve heard this and this” he says this the whole time like at least Charlie has complaints and played it this dude just is repeating others without having any knowledge of it
When you continue to buy mid bethesda games they will just keep making mid games. which is fine, i just wont buy their product. the elder scrolls series suffered from this, it's just disappointing. glad you enjoy it though
He’s such a stereotypical hater 😂
Andrew was always the least funny anyway man just sits their with glasses on and barley says anything the whole podcast most of the time they should kick Andrew off and hire drew Gooden their names are similar and drew is actually funny plus Charlie and drew already know each other and live in the same state
Idk how you can have so many bad takes and haven't even played the game.
It's like the embodiment of a reddit thread.
Everytime I occasionally tune in for this podcast I’m reminded that it sucks, everyone just roasts Jackson (occasionally deserved) Charlie just never seems like he wants to be there, Andrew is that one annoying redditer, and Kai is just a sociopathic contrarian. Fun group
100% this.
Don't forget all four of them trying to weigh in on topics that they know absolutely nothing about.
Bro literally same
Everyone has a podcast nowadays
How I feel lowkey man. Charlie never seems into it
How can Andrew have such a strong opinion on a game he clearly hasn't played? Dude is Reddit personified. Podcast would be more productive without his lame hater vibe.
Andrew's attitude sucks
The most skincrawlingly unbearable part is that it almost seems like he thinks he's being cool by doing so.
I mean that's the premise of the podcast, it'd be real boring if he just sat there going "I didnt play it", but also, I don't have to watch the Human Centipede to know about things that occur in the movie
"Reddit personified" because you feel angry every time you go on reddit and read opinions you don't like. So now when one guy expresses an opinion you don't like anywhere else in life, you go "that's so reddit" ..But it's not. Outside of your internet addled brain, reddit is just a bunch of different people.. Nobody is "reddit personified."
A lot of these questions are judging Jackson’s character rather than the faults in the game. Redfall, cyberpunk, battlefield were way more bugged at launch than star field and those games had 1/8th of the content.
lots of people complain how it doesn't change much from past Bethesda style of game, but then praise FromSoft for releasing many souls like games with different settings
Shocker. If you make something good, people want more of that good thing.
If you make something mediocre two times in a row, people will complain.
Where does Andrew get his information from? The combat is not clunky nor is the story bad nor are the graphics bad. In order to formulate an opinion, you need to lay the game. Not listen to the hate train that will literally hate on anything
It's the best Bethesda combat to date, the side quests are long enough to be their own single player campaigns and the global illumination makes the lighting on all the planets/moons look absolutely amazing. People wanted to hate the game so bad and it's pure cope from here on out.
What do you MEAN I can't just listen to a day 1 review from a "journalist" who's mad they didn't get a review copy that could only play for 2 hours and said the game was mid? How am I supposed to be mad that people enjoy things?
Less of a debate, more of a pointless intervention on Jackson.
But Jackson is the only one making objectively good points.
Most of the negative critiques are: "I cant believe you like this, Jackson."
*me enjoying starfield
Everyone: how fucking dare you.
Unpopular opinion I think people who don't like starfeild don't like bethesda games in general. It's not that the game sucks, its just that you don't like the game.
Andrew never liked any Bethesda games and now he’s here trying to come up with reasons why Starfield is bad? It’s just not his type of game. The only reason he liked Oblivion is because he was a kid when he played it
This guy acting like walking into a cafe in Arkham city is the same as landing on a planet
Bro remove Andrew from the show and 90% of the negative vibes would go away, why does he refuse to let anyone enjoy anything or have an opinion 😭😭
Kaya somehow didn't have the worst take thanks to Andrew. Well done!
I mean, the two of them for the past few years have both been the main source of annoyance for the podcast.
@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470yeah, downright everything out of those two’s mouths is cynical or negative
No matter what, Kaya somehow always has the worst take.
What was so bad about Andrew's take?
@@sparrow_solas The fact that he stole his takes from articles without doing research himself?
The more I watch episodes of the podcast the more I hate listening to Andrew about anything
Those 3 years of software development really went to andrews head.
That whole little segment was so so dumb. Jackson made such a good point saying how its such an incredibly minor thing for the developers to spend time on when it would do nothing and they are all just like "nuh uh"... It's pretty clear he hasn't played the game lmao.
@@DapperNurd It should be It's pretty clear he hasn't played the game, because he said so himself
Pay $10 for gamepass and play it yourself. All of the internet nonsense made me think it would suck and after putting over 14 hours in it in two days I really enjoy it. There is so much to do, the combat is great. Go in the settings and turn the difficulty up, normal is too easy.
I love judging something by only seeing couple of clips online and not experiencing it myself
i experienced it and now Im wishing I saw the clips instead lol
@@akeemmorrison2589it’s not that bad… I’m level 41 still tons I haven’t done.
Nah, I'm good.
If youre not gonna try it, then dont comment or judge. Its not that hard
@@frazer4737no… I think I’ll judge it without playing it.
I don't understand why are people trying to convince people to hate the game that they enjoy just let people play things they like this a video game why is everything needing to be debated about if you don't like the game that's perfectly fine but i don't understand why people who hate the game try to get others to hate it as well
Charlie: There isn't a sci fi story Jackson doesn't like
Jackson: I don't like Star Wars
Charlie: that doesn't count
Jackson: Why?
Charlie: It just doesn't, okay!?
Because he does like Star Wars, just not the newest stuff Disney is putting out
Jackson: I don't like the movie Oblivion with Tom Cruise
Charlie: You aren't allowed to pick movies that are bad!
He does likes Star wars? What the fuck is wrong with you?
@@goldydog1Charlie clarified then that he wanted examples for video games.
Why are all comments just trying to make them seem foolish?
The whole conversation must have been heavily built off a conversation that they had off camera because I have NO idea wtf Charlie was trying to say with this point lmao
3 angry gamers gang up on Jackson for enjoying a game they don't also like.
Guy in the top right doesn't feel like he is interracting with the arguments in good faith. Lots of little changes in his position indicate he is just going with whatever sounds good rather than what he actually believes. Fair play to the guy who likes starfield. We can all enjoy games which others dislike and admit their faults whilst having fun. I won't get starfield but i dunno why they're so insistent on pooping on this guys parade.
I played NMS for years before stafield and I find the travel system rather refreshing. I don't think people realize how annoying it gets when you gotta wait 2 mins to warp to a new planet or system, or when your game bogs down to 3 fps while it loads a planet as you fly into it
Andrew is ignoring the fact that Starfield literally DOES have in universe reasons for far travel: warp traveling.
I really enjoy the ship and base building parts of the game and the questing is a bonus that keeps me going.
4:40 i havent heard any real human beings say the story is "god awful" its quite fascinating to me and i really enjoyed the curiosity of what exactly makes the relics tick and why thwy are important. and the revelation that the hunter and omissary are characters youve met before by the time you meet them, is mind blowing. not to mention the rest of the plotlines are their own little slice of life like skyrim had for its many guilds. i just dont understand why people would say its a horrible story?
I like the story was unpredictable but I was hoping for intelligent aliens
@@jacobhugo6964bro is that a spoiler?
Huh? It's been the most common criticism. The main storyline is terrible. Maybe not "terrible" by Bethesda standards but when you're comparing it to the top tier of story games like RDR, God of War, or other sci-fi stories like Mass Effect it's not even in the same league.
@@Zack-vi7is have you played the game?
There are people in the world who exist to contradict and Andrew is one of them.
People who play Bethesda game find out Bethesda made a Bethesda game that plays like a Bethesda game and feels like a Bethesda game
That's sorta the point, even if it's obvious in hindsight. People really did start to believe that maybe Bethesda was gonna take some risks and break their formula with their new title, use it as a testing ground for many of their creative concepts and mechanics.
Instead, it's an average game with a weirdly devoted choir to sing its praises. That alone would garner hate even if the disappointment wasn't a factor to begin with.
It really isn’t a bad game at all, in fact it’s actually pretty good. It seems all the hate comes from people that either never played it or barely played it. So you see tons of people judging the game on things that are completely irrelevant to anyone that actually played it. I’ve just passed 75 hours on it and I can tell you with absolute certainty that all the complaints leveled against this game are clearly just made for the sake of being a hater.
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@@SnakeFire3 This 100%. The vast majority of people that played it seems to enjoy the game. The hate seems to be coming from people who expects the game to be a space simulator or people that haven't played the game and just bandwagon the bethesda hate.
doesn't make it right for it to exist. They could put more effort into it and make a good game instead of just a "Bethesda" game
@@th1ccbo1ee Do you even use ur common sense while writting this thiccboiee?????
I have plenty of issues with Starfield. I could write a fuckin essay about it. Saying a massive criticism you have of the game is that it doesn't run on a HDD and they said nothing about it is ridiculous tho because it's literally the minimum spec requirement lmfao
None of these guys complain about From Software games being exactly the same in a different setting.
Starfield is so much like Skyrim and fallout 4 that followers will even say things like, “feels like someone’s watchin’ us” when you are surrounded by enemies.
Andrew: "STOP HAVING FUN!"
The game requirements literally say an SSD is required, and more games this generation have been recommending SSDs for awhile now. Does Andrew live under a rock, or is Andrew's hate boner for Bethesda so hard that it makes him ignore reality? M.2 SSDs are getting ridiculously cheaper nowadays too. There's nothing wrong with not liking games from a company, but don't make up BS to justify your interests/lack thereof.
If people got the hardware required to run this game but they're using hdd for games, something is wrong with them
Tbf most modern games have that in requirements as recomendation and you can still run those games on HDD with longer load times, Starfield you can run on HDD but the game stutters every 10-20s and that's insane considering how the game looks and plays. Sure what he said wasn't true but Starfield has no excuse to run as poorly as it does even on newer hardware.
The vanguard story line is fire with the alien monsters
Just did that last night after grinding the vanguard space missions for the next piloting rank… holy shit man that first mission was awesome. Seeing it emerge was very cool
Thought eventually we'd fight the terrormorphs just based on the history exhibit which was pretty cool. Was not expecting to almost immediately go to bug hunt when I'm like a cadet lol.
It's "fire" in concept alone. I did the vanguard storyline and was thoroughly bored. It was exciting until I went with the optional objectives to restore power so the turrets could help me fight the terrormorph - the turrets killed it before I even finished the objective of turning the power on. Never got to fight or see it. Same with the attack at the airport, the soldier NPCs did most of the work before I ever got close to them. You are punished for trying to have the full experience and do optional objectives in these missions.
@@TheBakerZen stop playing on easy then. Hard is the normal mode of this game
I’ve come to learn, that this podcast is Jackson making valid points then 3 people dog piling and saying he’s wrong
Nah
name his valid points
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@@ahmednaka3562 I can’t, but that’s not the point.
@@ghguyrur7 huh?
Charlie looks shell shocked lol
he’s just looking for bait, ignore and move on
He doesn't wanna be here change my mind
@@YT_JoshSausageeven worse, its a bot
charlie looks exhausted and the way his hair looks is hilarious.
I've been avoiding this episode because I've actually been enjoying Starfield, and I didn't want it ruined for me. Yet, here I am.
Don’t let Andrew and kaya ruin your take on the game bro. They always have negative things to say and say bad things about everything. Keep doing you man! 👍
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I disagree with the group's "overall" take. I'm not a "Bethesda" fan. The last major title I played from them was Morrowind back in the day. I never played Skyrim or Fallout 3. My friends and family would always tell me to try them out but their previous titles never enticed me. I've been playing Starfield nonstop since Early Access launch and I've been absolutely loving it.
Good news you don't need to play Skyrim and Fallout 3 because you just did 10-15 years later in a Starfield. It's literally identical gameplay in different prettier coat and that's not a bad thing.
I'd say if you've never played Fallout 4, Starfield will feel a lot more fresh and interesting. For those who have it's a lot of the same.
The bit about Andrew saying that it would be super easy to develop manual space travel to each planet instead of fast traveling. Then being called out for being an arm-chair game developer and his excuse is "I was a software developer for 3 years" Doesn't prove a single thing. Software development ≠ Game development. Sorry
The filling up rooms with things and the stuff being there wen you come back is something from way back in oblivion lmao
new atlantis is literally larger than oblivions entire map
Downplaying the ability to fly down onto a planet is like spitting in the face of No Mans Sky, which is the only wildly popular(and first) game to allow space to planet flying and that was pretty much all they had at release.. I hear a lot of complaints that Starfield can't do certain things NMS can, while not realizing how bad of a release NMS had and that Starfield was never trying to be NMS.
Also he made a great point that they just glossed over.. 90% of rpgs you run(or however you travel) to a place one time to unlock it and then you fast travel everytime after that.
Who's ready for the 10 year anniversary edition of Starfield or should I say 20 years anniversary edition lol
Oh even better
2 year first DLC
10 year Legendary edition
15 year Special Edition
20 year can't forget VR Edition
Then finally
25 year anniversary edition
Did I just call the future 🤔
Its your fault if you keep buying the same product though. The new releases are for kids who never played it before, my computer doesn't need a new version when it goes from Windows 7 to Windows 10
@@mortache Yeah, I had friends who played Skyrim on the switch 1st. Thats ok, Skyrim is timeless and this game will be as well
You guys joke about the leaving 1,000 potatoes in a room, but that is genuinely one of the reasons I love Bethesda games so much. It genuinely adds to my enjoyment
leaving 1000s of items places aside, its just nice to make the world feel continuous when an object you dropped in a cave 100 hours of gameplay ago is still there months later, or something to that effect. It's always fun to come back to locations and see a corpse who died in a funny position still in that position, or maybe you stashed an item somewhere because it was too heavy. It's one thing I've always really appreciated about Bethesda worlds. I feel like it's really reductive to talk about it as if it's just some gimmick.
@@GildedGimo Yeah, Bethesda games are unique. Some people just don't understand why I feel the need to collect hundreds of items and meticulously store them on my ship. I've got my plushie collection, sweet rolls, potatoes, knick-knacks I thought were cool, etc. I'm making my ship feel lived-in, and I absolutely can't do that in other games. In other games I'm constantly feeling restricted.
In Cyberpunk and The Witcher, I HATE that I'm forced to stay in third or first person. It genuinely bugs the hell out of me and saps my enjoyment of the games. The same thing with me being forced to play as Geralt, instead of my own character. I hate not being able to pick up objects and move bodies. I hate not being able to talk to every npc and enter every building. It feels so artificial when I play Cyberpunk or GTA style games. 99% of the buildings are just glorified mountians. 99% of the npcs are just basically an extra in a movie, with no dialogue or anything interesting. It just all feels so fake to me and constantly reminds me that I'm in a video game. No other games let me live in the world like a Bethesda game does.
@@thequeen901 Very well said!