@@MercOne yeah, to a point. How many old super cars and even just high end cars are insanely cheap to buy but brutal in repair costs to own? I feel like it’s a pretty good number. Like think of the tech on old S-class Mercs, you can get an old one for cheap and then spend that same dollar amount on repairs. I believe older cars that can be repaired for a reasonable amount and maybe even at home will hold more value than cars with nearly impossible to repair tech. It’s cool stuff but not sure I’d ever have one out of warranty.
@@mnypit Many of them are, this isn't anything new. Cars have progressed. Someone worrying about repairs on 200K car just isn't the target buyer. Being able to afford a car like this means more than just being able to purchase it. As far as holding value, what you just said has already been happening for years, again nothing new.
I have a couple year old Panamera Turbo & still absolutely LOVE IT! I have several 2 seat sports cars but the Pan is 9/10 as fun. Since they are somewhat rare most people have NO idea how fast they are. Smoked a new Supra last week, it still had temp plates the owner couldn’t believe he got smoked by a full size 4 door. Happens all the time it’s hilarious! 😂😂😂
I see more Panameras here in California than I do 911s. Theres a sh!t ton - BUT! You rarely ever see top trim models. I’ve only seen a handful of the E-Hybrids. Mostly just base models. I do see 911s often too if that puts anything into perspective, just not as many. I think the SUVs and these are Porsche’s bread and butter. The 911s are now owned by a lot of younger folk or retirees
It’s funny, no one bats an eyelid when Mercedes, Bentley or Rolls Royce price their luxury vehicles at around €350k/$350k up to and over €500k/$500 but when Porsche price their flagship vehicle at €250k\$250k fully loaded, some have called it ‘overpriced’. Also mentioning the cost for the active ride option being expensive. Porsche has always been performance first then luxury, so for this car to offer the best combination of both, €250k/$250k inc. all options is a relative bargain when compared to those other manufacturer’s flagship models. Paying for the pinnacle of engineering excellence that delivers outstanding performance, high end technology along with premium luxury all in one package is well worth it, in my opinion, and is practically unmatched by any other all-in-one sedan solution. Hats off to Porsche, again. Bravo 👏
I like Panamera's and definitely like this new one. When I used to valet I was amazed that you couldn't tell a difference between a 20k mile Panamera and a 100k mile Panamera. They wear and age good.
Great to hear that Porsche dialed it back a little so that it didn’t feel too artificial. Does this potentially replace PDCC and given your past comments about that system, is this new active suspension something that you would actually spec on a sports car or just on a daily?
The only thing that made me go awooga was the motor being in the gearbox now, that sounds silly complicated. I do like the Panamera now though, it looks way better and the ride is mind defying (reverse diving under braking? Mental) Justifies its price a bit. Interesting car for sure!
Mercedes introduced the Active Body Control (ABC) hydraulic (Hydropneumatic) suspension back in 1999 which could keep the car level when turning, braking and accelerating! they were so ahead of their time! I know it had alot of issues and was a pain to maintain, but still..... its awesome..... in the 2006 W221s they totally fixed all the issues with it other than the regular wear and tear stuff, they even updated it to have crosswind detection and compensation the second time around with the W221.... all of that with the regular power supply, unlike here where this suspension feature only comes with the hybrid powertrains that have 400 volt electrical systems.
Quite similar to the eABC suspension Mercedes-Benz offers, and not that different from the ABC suspension on the old CL and SL classes (and older AMG S classes). First generation ABC was quite costly to maintain as it aged, but the second generation ABC used on 2007+ Mercedes-Benz models is decently reliable.
one thing that bums me out about most new porsches is that the only decent looking wheels are so big. I dunno why you need 21's on a panamera, and why they cant offer something that doesnt look fugly with more sidewall. not really a comment about this video per se, but a general gripe that includes the new panny. my wifes cayenne has the 21s as well, and they feel heavy -- but its at least a cayenne
@@jryallsugh aftermarket wheels on a luxury porker? How very downmarket and not how we do things here in Europe! Unless you’re an Albanian mobster of course…
@@jryallsdecent 21’s are going to run $10k+, you’re way better off checking the $4k box for some good factory wheels. Good wheels are big $, and cheap wheels are not good.
Almost every car enthusiast has seen the Bose suspension videos from 15+ years ago showing an LS400 that floats over every surface while having no body roll or dive under braking. It's super cool to finally see this kind of suspension in a production car, even if it will likely never be cheap and light enough to find its way into a car us plebs can actually afford. I'm very curious to see how reliable it is long-term.
Almost every technology filters down eventually. Active dampers were very fancy 20 years ago, but they're now on many regular cars. Ultimately this tech is nothing more than actuators, pumps, valves, and microchips and software etc. and with enough time to smooth things out and enough economies of scale, it will be on regular cars eventually.
That suspension is nuts. I have no where near enough money to get one of these. Something you'd probably lease with a full warranty. I couldn't even begin to imagine how much this car would be to get worked on.
If this technology was allowed in Formula 1 it would equalize the aero advantage across most of the grid with the current "ground effect" cars. It was a complete oversight (with historical precedent) that active hydraulic suspension wasn't allowed with the "new" F1 aerodynamic ruleset.
I can't wait to see what bentley does with this system. Assuming porsche gives them this suspension setup as Bentleys are just panemeras underneath (essentially). They would probably opt for the total comfort where it doesn't move you at all. Would be wild to experience.
Yeah yeah.... This is thanks to Americans and Chinese, who don't want the Panamera Sport Turismo versions. American customers are really disgusting SUV clowns... 😒 Greetings from Germany.... Where the Sport Turismo would still be the favoured Panamera version.
interesting how MB with the new G wagon, and Land rover with the sport SV have gone hydraulic at same time.. Will be interested to see what the new E Cayenne gets as well as future Mclarens...
How is this suspension different from the Mercedes Benz set up from the mid 2000's CL SL class suspension because those had nothing but issues. Good Luck...
I don't know a single Panamera owner that tracks these cars. Seriously. Even though these are fantastic track cars (I got to experience its full potential driven by a pro at a Porsche Experience Center). I would just skip the new active control feature (which costs a whopping 8K), and buy a base Panamera with some sprinkling of options. Cars have come so far that base options are now nearing 400HP.
It's clear they're proud of it but let's face it: 99% of these will not have this suspension option equipped so it would be nice to see a review with the standard suspension.. Regardless, it looks to be a great car like previous ones though I'm sad about the lack of Sport Turismo.
It's so funny, that Americans complain about the "lack of Sport Turismo".... The fact, that Porsche won't build the Sport Turismo any longer is because Americans and Chinese didn't want the Sport Turismo version. Voila! Americans are the most hypocrititcal customers.... It's so ridiculous. YOU/Americans are one of the biggest reason, why the fantastic Panamera Sport Turismo isn't there any longer, dude! Greetings from Germany
Took another sip of the potion, hit that three wheel motion! Sorry I couldn't help myself! Cool tech but just imagine the poor bastard that buys one of these things used in 15 years time and gets THAT repair bill.
Gorgeous super car. Funny thing some of the switchgear (windshield washer stalk and other parts) is exactly the same as on my 2020 VW GLI. *Parts sharing. That's about all it shares, 🤣. VW. You gotta love em.
Looking forward to the lowrider community hacking the suspension and having their Panameras dance. The trick active suspension, without dancing mode, will be €8000 extra, and only available on the hybrids.
Plug in hybrid performance cars make no sense. Who’s driving them in EV only mode? I’d never buy a car I have to plug in and put gas in. Such a PITA. Mild hybrid is a much better solution for hi perf cars
Holy repair costs Batman!
At this point you just hope and pray
If you truly have Porsche money then this is not an issue.
@@MercOne yeah, to a point. How many old super cars and even just high end cars are insanely cheap to buy but brutal in repair costs to own? I feel like it’s a pretty good number. Like think of the tech on old S-class Mercs, you can get an old one for cheap and then spend that same dollar amount on repairs.
I believe older cars that can be repaired for a reasonable amount and maybe even at home will hold more value than cars with nearly impossible to repair tech. It’s cool stuff but not sure I’d ever have one out of warranty.
@@mnypit Many of them are, this isn't anything new. Cars have progressed. Someone worrying about repairs on 200K car just isn't the target buyer. Being able to afford a car like this means more than just being able to purchase it. As far as holding value, what you just said has already been happening for years, again nothing new.
Holy depreciation batman
Seems like the perfect cannonball car
I have a couple year old Panamera Turbo & still absolutely LOVE IT! I have several 2 seat sports cars but the Pan is 9/10 as fun. Since they are somewhat rare most people have NO idea how fast they are. Smoked a new Supra last week, it still had temp plates the owner couldn’t believe he got smoked by a full size 4 door. Happens all the time it’s hilarious! 😂😂😂
Idk why they don’t sell more then they do loll amazing cars .
I see more Panameras here in California than I do 911s. Theres a sh!t ton - BUT! You rarely ever see top trim models. I’ve only seen a handful of the E-Hybrids. Mostly just base models. I do see 911s often too if that puts anything into perspective, just not as many. I think the SUVs and these are Porsche’s bread and butter. The 911s are now owned by a lot of younger folk or retirees
@@MrMlbfan6because they’re just as expensive as the highly-spec’d dedicated sports cars which are arguably more desirable
I love our 2012 Panamera Turbo.
Wow, what a machine! We _finally_ get genuine, honest-to-god electro-hydraulic active suspension, which was _'just around the corner'_ in like 1985.
That suspension demo reminds me of that BOSE Lexus LS400.
Shows how ahead of the game the system was
And how long r&d takes to reach production
exactly what i was thinking about that that was a very long time ago and worked maybe even better.
The real question here, is can it "hop" over speedbumps like the Bose system could.
@@joegrencho7856 I bet it can
That color shines like nothing else, even on camera!
The cameras are unbelievably smooth, easily the smoothest of any in car shots I’ve ever seen. This suspension is wild
New Laguna record with the Taycan Turbo GT and now this beast! Thanks Porsche for making these fast, good looking cars that are fun to drive!!
The wagon version especially.
Out of a company for 2 doors mostly, this has always been my favorite Porsche.
When I saw the suspension go over the waves my first thought was that old video of the LS400 with that prototype Bose active suspension. Very cool
It’s funny, no one bats an eyelid when Mercedes, Bentley or Rolls Royce price their luxury vehicles at around €350k/$350k up to and over €500k/$500 but when Porsche price their flagship vehicle at €250k\$250k fully loaded, some have called it ‘overpriced’. Also mentioning the cost for the active ride option being expensive. Porsche has always been performance first then luxury, so for this car to offer the best combination of both, €250k/$250k inc. all options is a relative bargain when compared to those other manufacturer’s flagship models. Paying for the pinnacle of engineering excellence that delivers outstanding performance, high end technology along with premium luxury all in one package is well worth it, in my opinion, and is practically unmatched by any other all-in-one sedan solution. Hats off to Porsche, again. Bravo 👏
What Mercedes costs that much? Even the Maybachs aren't that high.
I like Panamera's and definitely like this new one. When I used to valet I was amazed that you couldn't tell a difference between a 20k mile Panamera and a 100k mile Panamera. They wear and age good.
Panamera, most underrated Porsche.
Yeah, this one has "Me" written all over it. Great review!
Great to hear that Porsche dialed it back a little so that it didn’t feel too artificial. Does this potentially replace PDCC and given your past comments about that system, is this new active suspension something that you would actually spec on a sports car or just on a daily?
this is the ultimate superman driver mod.
The only thing that made me go awooga was the motor being in the gearbox now, that sounds silly complicated.
I do like the Panamera now though, it looks way better and the ride is mind defying (reverse diving under braking? Mental)
Justifies its price a bit.
Interesting car for sure!
Motor in gearbox , oil cooler, so basically a return to "air" cooled Porsches!
Mercedes introduced the Active Body Control (ABC) hydraulic (Hydropneumatic) suspension back in 1999 which could keep the car level when turning, braking and accelerating! they were so ahead of their time! I know it had alot of issues and was a pain to maintain, but still..... its awesome..... in the 2006 W221s they totally fixed all the issues with it other than the regular wear and tear stuff, they even updated it to have crosswind detection and compensation the second time around with the W221.... all of that with the regular power supply, unlike here where this suspension feature only comes with the hybrid powertrains that have 400 volt electrical systems.
Matt casually catching a 911 turbo in a 4 door
Now, imagine if they did a Turbo GT version of the new Panamera...
Hey Matt, was that Panamera “Nordic Gold Metallic”? God I love that colour. I want a Boxster in that colour!
Looks like mamba green
He looks exhausted
Quite similar to the eABC suspension Mercedes-Benz offers, and not that different from the ABC suspension on the old CL and SL classes (and older AMG S classes). First generation ABC was quite costly to maintain as it aged, but the second generation ABC used on 2007+ Mercedes-Benz models is decently reliable.
Something only Porsche is gonna figure: A detuned engine with overall more performance for the car. Engineering at its finest
This is because Porsche just needs some space for a forthcoming Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid version.
Air suspension +hydraulic suspension is fun. Hit a pothole, instant $6000 repair bill. But at least insurance paid.
one thing that bums me out about most new porsches is that the only decent looking wheels are so big. I dunno why you need 21's on a panamera, and why they cant offer something that doesnt look fugly with more sidewall. not really a comment about this video per se, but a general gripe that includes the new panny. my wifes cayenne has the 21s as well, and they feel heavy -- but its at least a cayenne
Jus order it with the stock wheels and buy aftermarket. It’ll probably be cheaper than Porsche options too.
@@jryallsugh aftermarket wheels on a luxury porker? How very downmarket and not how we do things here in Europe! Unless you’re an Albanian mobster of course…
@@jryallsdecent 21’s are going to run $10k+, you’re way better off checking the $4k box for some good factory wheels. Good wheels are big $, and cheap wheels are not good.
So are all the comments now generated from AI porn hustlers?
Happens in every channel now. Bots will never not be a problem anywhere unfortunately.
seeing the body roll in the opposite direction it should was more trippy than I thought it would be.
Almost every car enthusiast has seen the Bose suspension videos from 15+ years ago showing an LS400 that floats over every surface while having no body roll or dive under braking. It's super cool to finally see this kind of suspension in a production car, even if it will likely never be cheap and light enough to find its way into a car us plebs can actually afford. I'm very curious to see how reliable it is long-term.
Almost every technology filters down eventually. Active dampers were very fancy 20 years ago, but they're now on many regular cars. Ultimately this tech is nothing more than actuators, pumps, valves, and microchips and software etc. and with enough time to smooth things out and enough economies of scale, it will be on regular cars eventually.
That suspension is nuts.
I have no where near enough money to get one of these.
Something you'd probably lease with a full warranty. I couldn't even begin to imagine how much this car would be to get worked on.
If this technology was allowed in Formula 1 it would equalize the aero advantage across most of the grid with the current "ground effect" cars. It was a complete oversight (with historical precedent) that active hydraulic suspension wasn't allowed with the "new" F1 aerodynamic ruleset.
It was banned after the FW15B that Damon Hill won the Championship, I think.
@@EvoraGT430Aero cars were once banned also!
@@EvoraGT430 close! It was the FW15C that Alain Prost won the championship with in 1993
I can't wait to see what bentley does with this system. Assuming porsche gives them this suspension setup as Bentleys are just panemeras underneath (essentially).
They would probably opt for the total comfort where it doesn't move you at all. Would be wild to experience.
Great review again Matt, car isn’t my cup of tea, however if someone wanted to pay my lease I’d love it as a daily.
Amazing car but disappointed that they won’t make the sport turismo :(
Yeah yeah.... This is thanks to Americans and Chinese, who don't want the Panamera Sport Turismo versions.
American customers are really disgusting SUV clowns... 😒
Greetings from Germany.... Where the Sport Turismo would still be the favoured Panamera version.
Let your sponsor know that people with inflammation use turmeric w/pepper. It helps supplant Tylenol and Advil!
interesting how MB with the new G wagon, and Land rover with the sport SV have gone hydraulic at same time.. Will be interested to see what the new E Cayenne gets as well as future Mclarens...
A Sport Turismo in the blue would be 🔥
It really looks unnaturally planets to the ground of the shots. Impressive.
that is pretty wild.
Matt what are your thoughts on Panamera Turbo E-Hybrid vs the Audi S8's active suspension in terms of comfort and isolation?
Had 3 Panameras then 2 Taycans but this makes me think about going back
Can't wait for them to bring out a turbo gt version
How is this suspension different from the Mercedes Benz set up from the mid 2000's CL SL class suspension because those had nothing but issues. Good Luck...
Oh hell yeah, give me a wagon & I'm in, Rj in Oz
Looking forward to this car
same suspension as the 2022 (9y0) cayenne gts?
will the Macan/cayenne or Audis be getting this suspension option ?
Love that color
For those who are interested the suspension is 8000 Euro, a highly specified one is 260 000 Euro.
Will this suspension be available on the 992.2?
unsure so far. Definitely available on new Taycan!
@@TheSmokingTire Thank you. Any news on a 992.2 Dakar/safari option?
@@astorsimovitchlaw That would be a downgrade
Slowly becomes even more and more terrified of the upcoming Porsche supercar
How is this different from Active Body Control from Mercedes other than execution?
I don't know a single Panamera owner that tracks these cars. Seriously. Even though these are fantastic track cars (I got to experience its full potential driven by a pro at a Porsche Experience Center). I would just skip the new active control feature (which costs a whopping 8K), and buy a base Panamera with some sprinkling of options. Cars have come so far that base options are now nearing 400HP.
Hybrids are the future. It combines the best of both worlds with ICE and fully electric cars.
I think this suspension in a production car is almost as exciting as a 2200 lb carbon-tub hypercar for someone obsessed with handling
Has it got any bigger? V impressive 👌🏻
It's clear they're proud of it but let's face it: 99% of these will not have this suspension option equipped so it would be nice to see a review with the standard suspension..
Regardless, it looks to be a great car like previous ones though I'm sad about the lack of Sport Turismo.
It's so funny, that Americans complain about the "lack of Sport Turismo"....
The fact, that Porsche won't build the Sport Turismo any longer is because Americans and Chinese didn't want the Sport Turismo version. Voila!
Americans are the most hypocrititcal customers.... It's so ridiculous.
YOU/Americans are one of the biggest reason, why the fantastic Panamera Sport Turismo isn't there any longer, dude!
Greetings from Germany
Wee Matty Farah knows how to deliver the goods.
Cool car and great vid but damn, I don't want that many tech aids ever.
Such an awesome piece of kit. I want one now!
Took another sip of the potion, hit that three wheel motion! Sorry I couldn't help myself! Cool tech but just imagine the poor bastard that buys one of these things used in 15 years time and gets THAT repair bill.
It's called ative suspension. It's been around since the 80s
I’m wondering how a 911 would drive with this suspension technology
Why would someone get a Taycan over this??
Exactly!!
e active body control on the new s580 does the same. really crazy feeling
Taycan Turbo GT though 👌
Better not own one outside of factory warranty.
And.... what would anyone buy/drive a Panamera on a race track? this form a very happy ex Panmera 4 owner.
i wanna see all this tech trickle down into a sub 2800lbs cayman *drool*
No cost to the people who buy this trim level, I doubt they would keep it out of warranty? Plus it’s a Porsche not a BMW or Merc….
Let’s go!
But can it hop speed humps like the Lexus LS400 with Bose suspension from 2005 could ? :)
Really cool tech but there is no way this thing doesn’t drop like a rock in value and cost a fortune to own second hand.
You are boring, dude. Go away!
Panameras certainly aren't made for poor people, dude.
I always wanted the panamera to get a gt3 treatment from porche idk why lollll
A Citroen DS from 1955 called. It wants to do a comparison.
So hydraulic + pneumatic suspension? How French.
Gorgeous super car. Funny thing some of the switchgear (windshield washer stalk and other parts) is exactly the same as on my 2020 VW GLI. *Parts sharing. That's about all it shares, 🤣. VW. You gotta love em.
Looking forward to the lowrider community hacking the suspension and having their Panameras dance. The trick active suspension, without dancing mode, will be €8000 extra, and only available on the hybrids.
Looks like it finally might also do Android Auto which is nice
Tires... $chaching . Curb weight?
Why customer can not have the dancing suspension option?
Someone will hack it
Why do you need it?
@@vvevvevvvvSo people can hop curbs like the BOSE Lexus of course
But no Sport Turismo version 😢
Is Matt hungover in this video?? Maybe Jet lag
Why? Why make the family wagon a track hawk? 😂
Because they are almost as fun to drive as a 911? Kinda like a Jeep thing you either get it or not. Some like performance in all their cars!
Welcome to 1994 and the Citroen Xantia Activa
man i’m probably mad late but congrats on 1million subs i just noticed 😮🎉
One more (actually 4) more opportunities for an expensive out of warranty repairs. I’ll pass
I’m not sure how others feel but the podcast is too forced now there’s topics . The same reason I’ve never watched the videos. Loved the podcast 😢
Factor meals are gross. So much tastier and cheaper to cook at home with an air fryer.
Imagine the failure, it will, and the service costs. Useless feature, money making. Smart. Porsche!!
Porsche shows what is technically possible. You don't have to buy it.
Plug in hybrid performance cars make no sense. Who’s driving them in EV only mode? I’d never buy a car I have to plug in and put gas in. Such a PITA. Mild hybrid is a much better solution for hi perf cars
Dancing in the free world
50kph speed limit on track 😂
He was hitting 180kph+ on camera at the track...
@@sethl8905 I'm referring to the speed limit indicator in the instrument cluster
Video starts at 3:15… longest sponsor ad ever… really nice car though
Is this a car video… all I see is BLRO 😎
The Panamera Turbo S (971) is actually a bit faster than this one.
Oh God, they brought it back, Mercedes ABC on steroids, good luck 2nd owners, good luck!
Slide it
hmm.. give it 45k Miles and 5 years on the road.. expensive repairs with all those sensors and air suspension. great car. great performance.
You mean it’s a citroen