Is it worth upgrading your Radion Pro Gen4? Maybe not, but you decide using real data.
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- Already have the Radion Gen4 XR30 PRO hanging over your tank? You're not out of luck! We pulled a few XR30 Gen 4 Radions off of our BRS Lab tanks and gave them the full works in our updated BRStv Investigates light testing so you can use the data to optimize your own Radions!
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Why cant you guys finish the XR15 g5 pro test? Before moving on to something else.
Can you guy please test the maxspect rasor r5 please and thank you
I really wish this would have covered a 6' tank like many people also have. The other part that would have been interesting to see is how much does a cross brace interfere with the light and the par. As i would think that would effect even more people's tanks
Thanks for the feedback! Unfortunately, we do have limited resources, so we had to pick and choose a few different tank sizes based on what is most popular. This way, we could help the largest number of reefers possible. Maybe we'll have to pick up a 6' test tank sometime in the future and circle back.
I wish you had also done with diffusers?
Please please please do a mini update with this if possible?
Agreed, but potentially a mini-investigates follow up. ;)
@@BRStv Also, if you can do an optimal mounting height for 50/50 mixed lps and sps tanks.
Do you have an insight?
what are diffusers used for?
@@mark7_903 Here's a couple of videos we did a while ago that better explain the EcoTech Gen4 Diffusers. :)
th-cam.com/video/eg4B2WcCJ3E/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/AEV6mM5xeF0/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much for taking the time to do this video!!
Super grateful you guys are testing the "old" Radions. As soon as my G5 ships out my 120 will be running one G4 and one G5. This makes it super easy to setup both properly. Sadly, mounting height is pretty set with my canopy so I'll have to take that into account.
I wouldn't worry too much about the difference, except be careful with the in the middle of the two light, give a bit of space in between.
Your aquascape and Coral placement is more important I think.
Thank you, this is exactly what I needed to convince me to buy a third xr30 for my 120 😉
Guys how about in depth review of Giesemann Vervve. It looks like a reasonable alternative to Radion, great spectrum, better craftmanship and its also cheaper. You did a short video about it before. As for new Radion... it is so... My LFS sends them all back as they arrive in pieces due to cheap packaging and low quality materials used. You open the box and find a jigsaw of a Radion. I think Vervve might be a better option?
I wish I would’ve waited to upgrade, Mobius needs some love
Can you do something like this for the XR15 as well please
Please do some lighting test for the Zoomed 50gal lowboy.
Are you guys planning on doing a similar video showing the performance of the Radion Gen 4 using the diffuser? Does this change the optimal mount height?
I can't remember how much the diffuser cut in PAR but if you find the information simply substrate with their video, or just lower you light by 1" I guess? I will personally cover that subject on my Channel for the G5, I'm curious to know. I know I will use the Diffuser no matter what, the disco effect annoyed me too much, especially on white sand.
Should have touched on these settings with the diffuser on the lights since I think a huge amount of people run them. Would you get similar results with the light fixtures mounted down lower since there is a better spread? How does the g4 with diffuser compare to the g5 without? I think that's the real question.
Solid feedback and definitely a missed opportunity on our part! Looking back on previous G4 testing videos I would expect about a 20-30% reduction in the PAR. Distribution would be very interesting to see if there are changes. There might be an opportunity to do a quick mini Investigates with the diffuser.
I was just coming down to the comments to add this. Not testing with the diffuser was a miss for sure. The diffuser makes the G4 so much better. Yes, you lose some PAR but how many of us have been running our Radions at 100% anyway?
@@BRStv that would be great. You're not running that 100% anyways. If there's better spread, plus can be mounted lower for optimal spread, the 20% to 30% loss might mean nothing other than running closer to 100% in the AB+ spectrum. Buying a diffuser to get really close to matching a g5 is a LOT cheaper for those that already have the g4. Especially since you titled this is it worth upgrading.
@@raisethereef exactly. BRS doesn't recommend running 100% . They're roughly 30% below. The g5 is for sure a better light out of the box. I want to know how much better with a diffuser. It's a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a g5 and mount adapter!
85% intensity at 12" for SPS. Could probably mount it 1" to 3"s lower and run it closer to 95% with the diffuser? Maybe even the same percentage since it's lower, so losing 20% to 30% overall with the diffuser shouldn't matter?
Sometimes your guys videos make me feel like I’m some kind of marine biologist
Had xr30g4pros and glad I got the xr30g5 blue
Very interesting.. the 12 inch height was indeed a surprise...
Do you happened to have one video with the diffuser ?
Hopefully we can do a quick follow up with the diffuser, but I would expect similar results with 20%-30% reduction in PAR.
What happened to 2x120 for SPS? Seems like that would work w/o third unit.
Isn't there a whole bunch of spill light with them so close to the sides? With the three seems like you could tan at the edges.
Yes 2 is enough, what BRS data mean 3 is the perfect considering Growth/Money/Space.
The aquascape of your tank can be more important also.
Are fluval sea marine led 3.0 good or not?
They are garbage
Am I understanding right that the recommendations for a cube that the AB+ preset with 85% intensity for all SPS, would be same as applying the recommended BRS settings? Also it is a bummer that the Ecotech Marine hanging bracket comes at 8 inches high when the recommended height is 12 inches....
For a 24" x 24" x 24" cube, that's correct. Keep in mind that if you're mounting the light lower, you'll want to consider also turning down the intensity a bit too to make sure that you're not providing the tank too much light.
I used the AB+ intensity at 80% as recommended for a cube and it burned all my SPS using my G4 PRO with a height of 12", I wouldn't recommend it.
Excellent information, thanks
Do you have a recommended mounting height on a 4ft 120 gal with 50/50 lps and sps tank? With xr30 g4 pros. Thanks.
12" would be our recommended mounting height for the XR30 G4 Pros
@@BRStv ok. thanks.
Are u doing the xr 15 pro G4?
Right now it's on the schedule. ;)
So those mounting arms go up and down? They look fixed in the pictures. I see that they can slide forward and back... but I am not sure if you can mount them higher or lower using the ecotech arms. Please let me know. Thanks!
The Radion tank mounts cannot be adjusted up and down
@@BRStv thanks!
Will this information be relevant for a radion XR30W gen2?
Xr15 gen 4 test coming?
I think so!
Please do the xr15
When are the tank mounts for the new xr15s going to be in stock
Hopefully soon. Given the current COVID situation and the global impact across all industries, there are some gaps in shipping speeds that have slowed down some of our incoming gear. Good thing is that this is all temporary!
will there be a 5th gen freshwater version?
Why would you need 3 gen4s over a 120 spa tank from the par figures you shown 2 gen 4 will hate between 200 and 350 par rating
Our goal for lighting SPS primarily rests on creating a wide blanket of light that eliminates potential shadowing under and around corals. With this in mind we understand that creating that type of light in a larger tank is more difficult to do using modular LEDs rather than a large diffused panel like T5s, in which case to overcome that potential issue we need to add more LEDs. This is actually why we went with multiple XR15's over our 750XXL because we are better able to spread out the individual light sources more evenly across a larger tank and ultimately reduce shadowing effects.
any plans to test the non pro versions?
Unfortunately we don't have any Gen4 non-Pro lights around the office any more.
How many tanks do you have because it looks like 100
There's about 50 or more in the building! Here's a tour that Ryan did in September 2019 that shows most of them! th-cam.com/video/2ehp2vtHL98/w-d-xo.html
Are you doing the XR15's as well?
Right now it's on the list! :)
With a little math it shouldn't be too hard to get a very educated guess. I'd have to watch all the videos again and write some info down but if the G5 XR30 is 15% (made up number) better than the G4 XR30, then we look at the G5 XR15 video and subtract that same 15% (again, made up number.)
can we change the subject 😂 no hate. i got a blackbox
The fact that I can buy new G5 for almost less than used g4,s on sleeze bay is leading me to believe the G5 isn’t making people happy for some reason.
The forums and groups are littered with people who say the 5 is better than the 4. The numbers also prove this. However, I wouldn't run out and upgrade tomorrow just because something new came out. The 4 is still a fantastic light with years of proven results
40 gallon breeder height and spacing?
2 of the 15s between 10-12" off the surface. Rockwork will determine spacing more than anything
what about tanks that have glass on the top your tanks are open top tanks
Glass tops will almost certainly cut down on overall par once condensation builds up. How much of a reduction will depend on glass thickness and how clean you keep them, so there is not a one size fits all solution there.
No1 ;)
Why wasn’t this video done at the same time as the Gen 5’s? It seems like BRS just pushed out content for the G5’s resulting in people buying the newer, more expensive, Radions. That is not in the best interest of your customers. Your customers deserve the facts and data before making such a large purchase.
What? The G5s are the same cost new as the G4s. The G4s were discontinued and discounted at that point. They sold out in hours at almost every major outlet.
On the live, Ryan even stated he wouldn't upgrade from the 4s to the 5s. LOL
I can relate with your frustration here and I really do wish we could push out one of these lighting vids every day, but in all honesty each one takes about 1.5wks to test, film and produce among a team of 3-5 people so we are fairly limited in the speed we can make them while still maintaining a high quality.