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Navis Nobilite // The Navigator Houses | Warhammer 40,000
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มี.ค. 2023
- Hidden within the Imperium of Man are the great houses of the Navigators. They are dynasties both ancient and new that have acquired a monopoly over the Navigator Gene and traded it for obscene wealth and power.
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Ah yeah, The Navigators, the only people on the Imperium that know where they actually are in the galaxy
I GOT HEARTED BY THE INSTITUTE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@@thekingzhaul5914 congratulations
-What is my perpouse?
-You are a GPS
-Oh my god... (emperor)
-Nah, don't worry. Pretty sweet gig all things considered... could be far worse.
sometimes
They know this because they know where they aren't. By subtracting where they are from where they aren't, or where they aren't from where they are (whichever is greater), they obtain a difference, or deviation. The Navigators use deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the ship from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is.
Star Wars FTL: “alright chewy we’re going into hyperspace, press the button.”
Warhammer human FTL: “captain, the psychic inbred mutant has charted a course through hell. Hopefully our ten thousand year old ship won’t malfunction, or our souls will be ripped apart by hungry space demons.”
C3P0: "The odds of me believing that this mutant can actually navigate a ship are-"
Tech Priests: "HERESY! ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE!"
C3P0: "Oh dear, NOT AGAIN!"
@@SephirothRyu the Imperials would froth at their mouth when they see the Seperatist droid army
An entire army filled with nothing but robots running on abominable intelligence. The greatest heresy
I already feel sorry for B1 battle droids as is (in warhammer terms, B1s are almost more like an AI that is being forced to run on Machine Spirit hardware). The Imperium would have all kinds of horrible ends for B1s.
Meanwhile,the unsc drives through the galaxy with their upgraded Shaw-Fujikawa-Slipspace drive,scratching their heads why the imperium insists to travel through literal hell and declaring all alternatives heretical or foul xenos tech. (except for the mechanicus)
@@CBRN-115well to be fair, first gen droids were more akin to Legio Cybernetica warforms
Ah yes, the Navigators; when you are a mutant in a empire that despises your kind, but without your abilities, everything comes to a screeching halt (literally) and worlds begin to die, so you can parade yourself in front of the ecclesiarchies officials and they can't do shit to you!
Well... Astartes, Mechanicus...
I mean, same with Astropaths too
They're closer to ogryn or ratlings than mutants. They're a (mostly) stable human subspecies, probably created on purpose during the Age of Technology.
And thus, you also get to wear hats so zany it makes even the Ecclesiarchy's hats look sane.
I love factions in the imperium who are borderline heretical but too important to get exterminated, they're sole existence is a big middle finger to the people who keeps screaming "Heresy" and I love it
The emperor seems really good at creating tools he intends to discard that almost or completely end up killing him.
Thunder Warriors says what
He's a pretty bad dad actually.
Mostly Big E seemed to be making it up as he goes, frantically throwing new ideas at the problems caused by the last quick-and-dirty fix. I don't see a Great Plan in evidence anywhere...just a guy scrambling to stay ahead of an ever-growing pile of disasters and hoping nobody else figures out he doesn't have a clue either.
The human web way is working great what do you mean?
Yeah, it's almost like those two things have some connection with each other...Eh?
One thing that's interesting about navigator elders is that their "mutations" are pretty uniform. They don't change in unpredictable ways like you normally see with warp exposure, they all tend towards fish-like features, which suggests that it's not mutation at all but rather a fixed feature of their bloodlines.
It is of course no accident that the way navigator elders are described (enlarged heads, fish-like appearance, limbs changing into flippers...) pretty closely matches their primary inspiration from _Dune..._
My theory, the navigators first arose in the ruins of Merca, in the city of Shelbyville, were a man had the freedom to marry his cousin.
Oh so that's why they venerate the glorious turnip.
Thats good one
Sweet home Alabama!
The Navigators are easily amongst the most interesting, weird, and horrifying elements of 40k lore. Their Dune inspiration is rather clear, but they've developed beyond that and have become their own beautifully 40k-esque thing. Another incredibly well-done Institute video!
I noticed the dune influences to.
"To gaze into the Warp is to look into the abyss. To understand insanity itself is to become insane. Worst of all is the knowledge that while you are gazing upon it, the Warp is looking back at you and laughing." - Kartr Hollis the Nobilite Emissary
Lol I read that in the voice of the narrator xD
it’s true
oy fuck is it true.
"Then one grimdark millennium,
Big E came to say:
Mutants, with your eyes so bright,
won't you guide my fleets tonight!”
“Then all humanity loved them
As they shouted out with glee
Navis, the Nobilite mutants,
You get to live in misery!”
-An Imperial Saint’s Day song, probably.
Loving all this warhammer content! Thanks and keep up the good work!
whyd i singed this in dan bulls enderman song
Big E wanted to replace the Navigators after completing the Imperial Webway Project he kept secret from them and everyone in the Imperium.
Which is ironic, given that the webway is difficult to get around in (for a normal human) and that navigators are able to get around quite easily, meaning that the Big E would probably have gotten rid of them only to bring then or something like them back to fulfill the same role in the webway
I wonder if they may have known that he would turn on them in the end? Did the Great Houses enable the Horus Heresy in some way, believing that they could play the Imperium off against the Ruinous Powers indefinitely to thus guarantee their own longevity?
@@Gomjibar Can they Navigate Webway?
@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 I believe it was brought up in the Path To Heaven book and some others that they are able to perceive and thus navigate the webway
Thanks Magnus
I absolutely adore the Voidsmen uniforms, I wish they would get more development in canon and incorporating them into the Nobilite would be a really cool way to do it.
legit, the literal space marines are awesome.
This is the third franchise that I am aware of that has a class of people or an organization that make safe FTL travel possible or easier without the use of a navigational computer.
1. Pilgrims from Wing Commander
2. Spacing Guild from Dune
3. Navigators from WH40K
The Mage-King of Mars would like a word.
He will send a Voice.
Pray He doesn't send a Hand.
I speak for Mars, will you listen?
I feel the need to point out that the Pilgrims were only a thing in the movie, because they thought they needed a reason for $PROTAGONIST to be 'special.'
The Navigators were always a means to an end for the Emperor. To be used and discarded. He needed the Navigators to help unite the galaxy in the Great Crusade, but he was going to get rid of them later on. If he was able to completed his Webway Project, thereby freeing humanity from the use of warp travel, (and if Magnus hadn't screwed up), then the navigators would have been put down like the thunder warriors.
Which is crazy. They're still rediscovering lost places and treasures. Crazy how Big E thinks.
He tends to do that a lot
@@Lomhow they would not be needed the webway is all the human race would need
Don't they still need navigators even in the webway?
@@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 they would not need the navigators they would just need those with enough warp power or taught by he who sits upon the throne
There should be a crusader kings mod for this, developing the gene, building your house, spying on other hpuses
The great navigator houses, arguably as powerful as the High Lords themselves. And when their leader dies they for some unfathomable reason chose a successor with a literal battle royale.
It is truly the most efficient way.
...unless the Master of Assassins has him eliminated. Then the one who killed the leader becomes the new envoy.
it's 40k, did you expect them to discuss it over a cup of tea?
Everyone forgets about the Paternoval envoy 😢
gotta save them for our High Lords of Terra episode.
@@TemplinInstitute Looking forward to that one; hope you feature the Hexarchy as well, and that even they aren't immune to the will of our current Imperial Regent.
The Navis Nobilite, arguably more powerful than even the High Lords, and when their leader dies a new one is chosen with a literal battle royale. I love 40k.
Has the Institute ever explored the Adeptus Mechanicus? It can be said that the very bones of the Empire itself relies on this group of fanatical scientist. Surely it's worth investigation by the Institute?
Impatient to play 40k rogue trader. Gonna be a great game…
so many RPG potential in 40k, am glad we hear more about all these characters or guilds from 40k in the community, it’s gonna increase even more the desire to play them, and developers will be interested to make new games for. The 10years to come will be the best of all since 35years for all warhammer fans… and that’s great !
Anybody else here wish GW would give The Navigator's and Navigator Houses more love? They're such an important part of The Imperium and it's continued survival yet they seem like a footnote at times.
God yes, especially with how awesome they are
They appear often in novels, and there are several books focusing on them. They probably belong more in a ttrpg game, and in the FFG books they where covered by some good lore.
That's probably precisely _why_ they don't get much written about them. Their lore ties into just about everything else and a contradiction there could cause an unholy mess beyond the powers of any retcon to fix. Best to keep their exact nature and modes of operation nebulous so you don't write yourself into a corner.
And the hats. They have such GLORIOUS hats!
That’s how I feel about Savants.
Factions I would like to see next:
1. The Skorne Empire | Iron Kingdoms
2. The Severan Dominus | Warhammer 40K
3. The Terran Confederacy | Starcraft
4. The Empire of the Rising Sun | C&C: Red Alert
5. House Tyrell of Highgarden | Game of Thrones
I dunno if Skorne is the best faction to do if they dip their toes into Iron Kingdoms
Definitely would love to see some Starcraft lore. Doesn't get much love these days.
Like to see some iron kingdom lore
Empire of the rising sun would be sick
@@pavarottiaardvark3431 Agreed. Better start with one of the more traditional human ones (okay, Cygnar is kind of boring, but Khador could be fun).
Man, I wonder what would've happened to them if the Webway Project didn't get ruined.
Slaneesh becomes a chew toy for a primarch for one...
Ideally they would have accepted they were no longer the most important people in an interstellar society and adapted. Realistically? Launched a desperate, petty coup/civil war against the Emperor and lost.
Thanks alot magnus
@@DetectiveLance Considering the arrogance mixed with idiocy that is epidemic in 40k I lean towards the latter. They wouldn't even have become completely useless since the webway doesn't extend to everywhere and they might have been useful in navigating the webway, considering how trippy that place is.
@@Historyfrek4ever I d say the emperor would have destroyed them regardless. He explicitly wishes for a unified humanity, exluding all forms of mutants that are not needed to substain the empire. It is heavily implied he would have gotten rid of the legions and the primarchs as well once the great crusade was over.
Always kind of wondered how the Navigators aboard Space Marine cruisers were treated. Unlike the TechMarine who has become a battle brother or the librarian who presumably can act as an Astropath, I would assume navigators are still tied to their house and not made into a Space Marine himself. I would imagine their treatment would vary wildly, considering the differing opinion of mutants between Chapters.
The navigators of an established chapter would be from a house deeply connected to that chapter so it is unlikely the navigators would be treated poorly even in driven chapters like Black Templars.
It is in the newly established chapter that would likely cause problem since the navigators were chosen for them not their choosing.
They already have enough influence and are rare enough to be 1. forbidden 2. be capable of denying - going through adorous and highly attritive process of ascension to Space Marine.
@@piotrd.4850 Oh, yeah, definitely can’t imagine navigator space marines. Especially not on the level they would need for marine chapters.
As someone else already said, usually a select few houses are honorable and ancient enough to provide Navigators to the Adeptus Astartes. These services usually go beyond simple contracts and are considered sacred bonds of service.
"Tech-adepts have speculated widely over the development and nature of the Navigators' unusual talents and many cast hints at shadowy genetic transmutation and interbreeding during the founding of the Navis Nobilite. Whatever their origins, the Navigators today are a glorious and esteemed organisation, loyal to the Imperium and stalwart in their faith. The peculiar powers of the Navigators can only be perserved by intermarriage: breeding with mundane Humans eliminates the special abilities. This factor has led to the development of the closely-related Navigator families and the Navis Nobilite as a whole."
- Preface of the Historia Et Structura Re Navis Nobilite
A lot of Templin gets bogged down in the uncanny valley of glossed over too much, or tried too hard at the wrong spot.
...
This is your best delivery yet. Just enough new info not rehashed by 25 other channels as well as a good spin on how deep you needed to get for the point. With Warhammer you often have to tell a completely unrelated story for the narrative to make any kind of sense. Well done.
Man, these images with this soundtrack really fit together!
Well done to whoever stitched them together!
the more I learn about 40k, specifically just before the Horus Heresy when the Emperor was poised to enact all of his plans, I can't help but be curious exactly he was planning, and what the galaxy would have looked like if he succeeded
“The spice must flow”
Oh wait wrong franchise, wrong navigators.
"Multidimensional knowledge?! HERETIC! " *BLAM*
same navigators, different point in the timeline
Such a great look into a not often see part of 40k
The one part the Imperium tries so very hard to gloss over is the fact that there was a time before the Navigator Houses, when humanity didn't require their aid in traversing the warp. The Dark Age/Golden Age was a time before the Navigators. Perhaps it wasn't necessary. Perhaps machines did the navigating.
It was, after all, a time when you could travel in the warp and leave the window shields open: there was nothing to harm you other than the feeling of being unsettled by the weird colors outside.
It's only after the Long Night that Navigators, and shutting the window ports to keep the sight of the warp out became a real thing.
It all started on Terra. I imagine that as the Imperium reclaimed worlds, if they found 'heretical devices' that would displace Navigators from their prime, lucrative place, that they'd be destroyed. The deal the Emperor made with the Houses would assure that.
And then the myth that you absolutely required a navigator to travel the now turbulent Warp solidified, and became the ONLY way.
I mean wasn’t the reason traversing through the Warp was possible back then because the chaos gods weren’t as strong? I always assumed that navigators were needed not because you can’t go from point A to point B without them but because you can’t go from point A to point B without being nomed by chaos without them
So the only thing we know is that Navigators were created during the Dark Age and were widely used when the warp engine was invented. At that time they were an independent faction (essentially a Guild) which was later taken over by various mercenary forces. Later on the Emperor unified them, took them under his protection and began the Great Crusade. But Navigators were absolutely used during the Dark Age.
@@dobyk5338 they might have been used as one of many ways of traversing the Warp. But they gained their stranglehold on travel after Long Night and after the Emperor unified Terra and Mars.
Given how many other races seem to traverse the warp in their own ways, Navigators don't necessarily NEED to be a thing. But it's the only thing the Imperium has known for so long, and they're protected under the laws, as well as deliberately crushing any THOUGHT of using other ways.
If someone suggested making a cogitator to plot through the warp, even in jest, the Navigators would have them killed. Make it look like an accident. End the threat to their monopoly
@@Kalebfenoir as I said, Navigators were highly influential during the dark age because they were reliable guides through the warp. But you're also right that they didn't have a monopoly on warp travel: there actually were cogitators out there who could navigate the warp, they just weren't as powerful as a navigator (you can't get as far). I think theoretically an AI could perform this duty but then you get into the issues of how an AI can even begin to understand something as crazy as the warp.
This was a fun video! I've been a fan of 40k for about 20 years, but my ability to actually PLAY the table top minis game in that time has been spotty, at best, which has left me to appreciate other elements, like the lore, and RPG games. My favorite among those was FFG's Rogue Trader, and one of my favorite things in that line was the Navigators. I love Rogue Traders because they flip the setting on its head. They are "only human", same as any Guardsman, but gain access to all the best things the Imperium can still muster. They can show what the upper limits of human achievement might look like. Navigators are similar in that, too me, being different, but being excused, and wielding resources, and some authority, that few others ever will. That they can also catch you in the gaze of their third eye, and kill you, is fun extra.😊 If somebody else was already running the Rogue Trader, i could always fall back on playing a Navigator. The first character idea I wrote up for RT was a Navigator, and her story was central to the future of herself, her family, and the Rogue Trader dynasty her House served among, so getting more fun lore dumps is great!
Relationship between Emperor and Navigators is quite similar to that you see represented in dune universe as it is in warhammer. Although in warhammer, there is a more finally balance relationship of mutual benefit and necessity tying them together and creating a good working relationship that serves both their interests and end goals.
I enjoyed briefly playing one in Rogue Trader. There was nothing quite like turning to a room full of people and opening my third eye, driving many insane.
They’ve had a cease and desist from the league of navigators from Dune
The more and more I learn about Warhammer the more I realize it’s just dune with even more religion
Always has been
Thanks, that was cool. Rouge trader Movie I think would be the perfect intro for new people. Hopefully Amazon does it. I also hope they keep Space marines away for a while.
Well there is a rogue trader RPG game, in the making, which would be a great gateway for new people.
Now I'm curious about FTL travel before the Navigator gene arose, as well as how it was treated during the Dark Age of Technology.
AI and the fact that warp also wasnt as turbulent back then, before Slaneesh was born.
But I think its mostly thabks to AI, because seeing how long the DAoT lasted, I am sure there were some pretty turbulent (but short) periods back then as well
Navigators were created during the Dark Age of Technology and we're originally owned by trade and industrial cartels. At some point they became an independent faction and somehow survived the Age of Strife. Truly a remarkable subspecies.
I hope we can see the Ta'u Empire in the future someday.
Another great analysis by the Institute, please do the Thousand Sons Legion next.
The Emperor had lots of means to an ends people didn't he
Be silent, Fallen, or we shall silence you.
Another awesome lore video as always Lore Masters!
Another fantastic video!
Epic video - thanks dude!
First! Always love some 40K lore. The Navigators are are a bit under-explored
How are there enough Navigators? If one Navigator is killed each time a voidship is destroyed in combat, the irreplaceable population would decrease quickly. Do Navigators have special escape pods for them only?
Nah, but there are millions if not billions of Navigators out there. Still a tiny fraction of all humans, but enough to be replaced.
One does wonder if the Navigator Houses had known about the Emperor's intention to liquidate the Navigators after the Imperial Webway...and made plans to counter any attempt to destroy them.
Anyway, will you consider doing videos on the individual Navigator Houses and the abhuman units?
They did. IT's detailed in the HH book The Path of Heaven.
Which, aside from having that in it, is a thumping good read in it's own right.
One thing to remember is that every ship has a navigator. Every, single, ship. Once you start considering the numbers, you realize that the Navigators outnumber entire factions like the Tau.
Great work. As a Transformers fan, I think it'd be cool if you did some videos on it. The only problem I could see is that there are multiple continuities, but you could just specify which one (G1, Unicron Trilogy, Bayformers, Knightverse, Animated, etc.) in the video titles.
Probably one of the most interesting factions in the Imperium. I wish there were novels focused on them
Edit: I wish there *more* novels about them.
Rites of passage is the only one that is only about them, however the 4th space wolves novel has a large chunk of it about them.
I'd like to see The Templin Institute cover The Plumbers from Ben 10. Anybody else?
😆
that was an awesome video.
Games Workshop be like: How can we make Dune's political balance of power even *more* volatile and dysfunctional?
Would love to see a video on if the emperor had a text to speech device.
Another Great video! Please do a video about The Lion's awakening next.
Anybody remember the Navigator from that old Warhammer 40k fan-film set in Necromunda? He was the one who detected the Chaos plot and alerted the IG leadership to it (after he scanned them for taint).
Sounds like Dune Guild Navigators. Awesome lore!! Give me more!
I will be hearing "Navis Nobilite'" in my dreams for a week.
MORE, yes!
Things that I think would be interesting to investigate:
- GHERIN / NERV (Neon Genesis Evangelion/End of Evangelion/Rebuild of Evangelion)
- The Velvet Room and the Metaphysical (Persona)
- The Clans (Battletech)
- Mondstadt (Genshin Impact)
My favorite thing 40k straight up lifted from Dune.
The Navigator knows where he is, because he knows where is isn't.
"Tech-adepts have speculated widely over the development and nature of the Navigators' unusual talents and many cast hints at shadowy genetic transmutation and interbreeding during the founding of the Navis Nobilite. Whatever their origins, the Navigators today are a glorious and esteemed organisation, loyal to the Imperium and stalwart in their faith. The peculiar powers of the Navigators can only be preserved by intermarriage: breeding with mundane Humans eliminates the special abilities. The factor had led to the development of the closely-related Navigator families and the Navis Nobilite as a whole." -- Preface, Hostoria Et Structura Re Navis Nobilite
Adeptus Mechanicus ? Skitarii units? Collegia Titanica? Those are topics im intersted in because I play adeptus mechanicus
Collegia Titanica++
Nice!
Trying picture trade products of the imperium. "Mechanicus Meal: because the flesh is weak for it. It's part of a balanced breakfast!"
Remember when 'political pressure' caused the Emperor to censure Magnus at Nikea? Weren't the Thousand Sons dabbling in doing some navigating on their own using sorcery and tutalaries? Hmmmmmmmm.
I love the house protecting by the Space WOLVES.
Very good.
Don't know if you have done this but the Stargate Ancients
ever since reading Ragnar Blackmane’s books, I always wanted a tabletop army for Navigators
These guys vs the Navigatir Guild that inspired them, who is better?
40 k vids are the best!
W40K really is just a fanfiction of Dune !
I suggest videos on:
Hyrule
The RDA
Wayne Enterprises
Star Labs
Lexcorp
Queen Industries
Octavia > anyone else
No one can clash with her sass
YAY WH40K content!!!!
It took me a long fucking time for me to realize that this was about warhammer 40k and not a video about Dune.
My moneys on the birth scream of Tzeentch being the cause of both psykers and the navigator gene.
Ooooo next do the Adeptus Astra Telepathica.
Ave Imperator, gloria in excelsis Terra.
Could the Navigators have been The Men Of Stone? I have heard that the Men of Stone may refer to a type of human created to be able to handle being in the warp.
The ‘Men of Stone’ are most likely the Votann.
@@Xalerdane Possible, but I sort of figured that the squats in general were more an adaptation/genetic modification set for particular planet types. Speaking of, we need more Felinids.
That said, it is true that the Squats seem to be much less effected by the Warp, with only the few who live past 300 or so years actually gaining psycher abilities at that point.
@@SephirothRyu The Votann are a race of cyborg clones optimized for artificial environments sent out during the Dark Age of Technology who possess levels of functional archaeotech unheard of outside the basements of the most powerful Tech-Priests and ruled by ancient AIs, they're pretty obviously the descendants of Mankind's earliest deep-space exploration/colonization efforts.
I looked into this a while ago. Apparently the chartist captains of the Imperium's trade fleets don't have navigators. Their routes are very slow.
But how did they navigate before the emperors astranomicon I didn't catch that one. You know at the time of the age of technology.
@@Svenne-man-1880 Thank you and have a good evening.
I have Heard that there might have been beacon network during the Age of technology but I did hear it in a Fanfic called "A light not extinguished" comments
@@sadiqahmed4143 Thank you 😊
Mum: we have the Spacing Guild at home.
ha ha
funny warp man screams
If a Navigator ever finds themselves ignorant of their location, _panic is a reasonable option_
“The sea, it sings. Do not heed the singing of the sea; follow only the Emperors Light. The Light shall lead to-“
*_R E F U G E_*
Nice
can you please explain the cybermen from doctor who
and also I want a explanation of the church of unitology from dead space.
also I want a explanation of the necromorphs from dead space.
In case you weren't sure if 40k took inspiration from Dune or not
The fact that the main human faction is called the Imperium and led by a god emperor didn’t give it away?
'Inspiration'
Dune's emperor has no "god" powers as far i've seem, big E is truly a godlike organism
@@nahuelleandroarroyo You mean the literal God Emperor with the psychic power of prescience? Face it 40k is a carbon copy of Dune, down to detailed descriptions of environments and taking everything to eleven, with the rest being mostly Moorcock in its core. As I said at other times, that wouldn't be half bad because it's the merging of really cool settings, but GW's stance, and that of some fans, towards stuff 'stolen' from 40k or Warhammer, while GW just plainly copied without asking and even tweaking too much, make it pretty ridiculous and slightly annoying.
For reference, Blizzard actually mainly took some aesthetics and names for inspiration, and made something new front it, with other concepts and ideas and people cried bloody murder for 'stealing' from GW.
@@nahuelleandroarroyo he kind of does tbh, just in a different way
You should read up on it, his powers are really interesting tbh
When the thunder warriors was stated I already know here this is going...
Ah yes horrors beyond my comprehension
I am sure that Navis Nobilite is inspired by the Navigators of Frank Herbert's "Dune".
But much cooler, and not a drug addict.
Can we get a video about the dark Eldar?
Black Templars next pls:)
The next episode is "the holy Britannian empire" from code Geass.
Do PATHOS-II/Carthage Industries from SOMA next
Do the Pawnee town government. All levels of the building
Do the Dark Angels
Gundam factoins are cool, you should do them
Big Dune vibes