He's just referring to the fact that if you're in a critical state where your opponent has lethal on the board and you need to either stop that or kill your opponent, spending all your mana summoning non-taunt deathrattles is just an embarrassing way to forfeit the game.
Which is true, because if your Opponent plays a lot of stuff and punches you in the face, the only thing that happens if you just play N`zoth is that you get punched again and you`re likely dead. N`Zoth was okay at the beginning when aggressive decks weren`t refined, but now on ladder you mostly just die until N`zoth hits the board and takes his turn before everything can attack. That`s why he has become pretty rare by now.
In the last expansion n'zoth would have been bad. Literally every card that you could drop past 6 or 7 that didn't taunt, kill something or win you the game was automatically not viable. The meta was so much faster than now, even though people bitch about the sorry state zoo is in now compared to how it was and shaman which is only viable because hunter is so trash now and even so shaman isn't really that fast.
Unless those minions have taunt or other immediate effects when they appear on the board, playing N'Zoth can just lose you the game because your opponent has lethal next turn. N'Zoth doesn't even always win you the game for 2 turns after you play it. Its amazingly slow. Why do you think N'Zoth paladin has disappeared from the meta? Filling the board with powerful minions is not going to save you from immediate death unless you run garbage-tier taunts like Infested Tauren.
The same could be said of Dr. Boom back in the day. But it shouldn't be measured by if you will survive lethal but rather the impact on the board. If putting a 7/7 and two 1/1s on the board is good for 7 then putting a 5/7 and a Sylvanas and Cairne on the board for 10 is pretty solid as well. For priest you could even have the shifting shade out there as well. It's insane to try to measure it by if it has taunt or not. Aggro can take out someone playing Boom on turn 7 but that didn't make Boom a bad card.
Dr. Boom is a card that you can play on turn 7. N'Zoth is a card you can play on turn 10 that requires you to draw AND play other cards first and have them die to satisfy its conditions. You usually don't play N'Zoth until turn 15+ even if it is in your opening hand. N'Zoth is a MUCH slower card.
He means that it does nothing to your enemys board so if they have a big board and you just summon your own dudes they still get to keep their board Using common sense is advised :)
I use to play priest before the WOG expansion. and i complained how there are so many zoos. now i stopped playing because he is too risky, have to make zoo counter deck that only wins 40% to them, and because its a zoo counter it lose 100% to other heavy control decks. RIP my first 500 ranked win class
Kripp wasn't even far off base with a bunch of his views, like Fandarel. It's pretty good but not gamebreaking in a few specific decks but it's far from an always include card.
n'zoth blows. all of the decks around him blow. they all get shit on by agro because their win condition doesnt involve sitting there for 20 turns letting you set up lethal
n'zoth hunter is quite meh, your real win condition is call of the wild, it really is like having 2 n'zoths only well they are 2 not one, the state of the game previous has no effect on it and it's on turn 8 maybe 7 if you hit it with emperor
C'thun decks turned out different to what everyone thought. Putting in only a couple of buff cards to trigger the effects with no intention of using C'thun itself turned out to be the way to go.
So not only was he wrong about the power level of the card, the card was so good it forced a cthun deck even though nobody wanted to put cthun in there.
the majority of hearthstone "pros" are just lame people who plays the same game over and over again... till they get bored. They dont have any insights. Bunch of people making money from retards, who watch them at Twitch.
They said they hoped they meta will slow down. I don't think any of them blatantly said that it would slow to the point that we would have a control dominated meta. When the meta is unrefined control thrives, when everyone knows what the best cards are and how to deal with the common threats then it speeds up and favors tempo/aggro.
What's so funny? The meta IS slow. There are only two viable aggro decks out there: zoo and aggro shaman. However I bet you are going to see DansGame warrior and rogue a lot more often past rank 10.
+Li ALEX I've taken a few deck from a low rank like 21 up to 5 recently, I think once I hit about rank 10 the only decks I played were face shaman, face pirate warrior, midrange hunter, face hunter, and like one control priest which killed my paladin deck. It's not fun to play the game with meta like this shit.
Shinjuro what he means by no impact on the board is that it cannot save you if your opponent has lethal. Putting shit on the board means nothing if you die before they can attack, and because N'Zoth is 10 mana, you can't do anything else that turn and can die after playing him
@@jarekmarcinek7303 Spoiler alert, after turn 10 there are multiple occasions that the opponent will not have lethal! Why people were acting like after turn 10 the opponent MUST have lethal back then?
akhs denlew I know, I actually love N’zoth, my point is simply that it is true that the card cannot save you in the worst case scenario, which is the scenario streamers most often consider when rating a card
Kripp talked about this video on stream. He took the L on Fandral, wouldn't argue with Forbidden Healing even if he was "eh". Didn't like that he was put on blast for N'Zoth. I do this all in good fun and of course people will agree or disagree with some of my picks here. Everybody's got their own opinions and sometimes they'll disagree even with very old cards. Specifically on N'Zoth, Kripp implies that the card is basically garbage without these impact cards, even though it can used as a control finisher even without those cards. That's the main justification for me including him in this video. Overall most of these streamers did fairly well with their predictions, I think it's just worth revisiting our predictions and having some lols when we get it wrong.
Technically, N'Zoth doesn't do shit if you're in a game against an aggro deck who is threatening lethal, and you didn't play a deathrattle taunt. On the other hand, it''ll win you a game against other control decks 90% of the time. It isn't bad, but it isn't the next best auto-craft of the expansion either.
You can use N'Zoth if you are already pretty good against aggro. The problem is that mid range decks tend to crush decks that end up being good against both aggro and control.
The problem is that a lot of them have experience with Magic the Gathering. And in that game, using your life total as a resource instead of mana is a very powerful mechanic. That card for mage would be mind blowing, but Warlock just doesn't have a lot of meaningful spells. Just look at zoo the only spell is power overwhelming and forbidden ritual. Maybe in a few years, cho'gall will be awesome in wild. Its an amazing card that is just unfortunately light years ahead of its time. Cards change in relevance as more are released.
I got this card from pack and i don't even want to put him in my renolock. I would better play Rag instead. There aren't many good spells in warlock to make him worth it. Maybe next expansion...?
For now he's not worth it but he can be sleeper good.Definitely not Dr. Boom level because he is not just a pile of stat or an useful ability no matter what but he can be worthy of an include later on.
+Larry Bobinski you're forgetting that there's two years of expansions to come to Hearthstone before Cho'Gall switches over to Wild. The card definitely has the potential to be good, it just needs the right push to be played in a control Warlock deck. There could very well be the perfect Warlock board clear coming in the fall expansion that can be put in Renolock to make Cho'Gall completely viable. The problem right now with Warlock board clears is that they tend to also injure your own minions, so you're probably not trying to place a Cho'Gall on the board just so it can get immediately Hellfire'd.
Yeah, cho'gall is definitely a sleeper with huge potential, but right now he doesn't have the toolkit needed to make him work. Imagine how powerful cho'gall could become overnight if the next expac released a flamestrike like card for warlock that you could use to gain board control and tempo on turn 7 with a Cho'gall + Wipe enemy board combo, or if warlock got a Call of the Wild-ish named something like Foul Summoning that brought in a taunt demon with solid stats. There's a lot of potential if any new cards come to light.
Yeah, swarmer is actually quite good. I think the main issue is that rogue as a class is struggling in constructed, if people were actually playing a lot of rogue successfully then we'd probably see a lot more of those in circulation.
+The Message's Movies the problem atm is rogue struggles way too much against aggro decks if the meta would slow down rogue would be a lot more successful
well I think the same about reynad because the guy is just stupid as a human being but Kripp is a good player. Not in constructed but in Arena. Yes he often is a salty complaining dick but to be fair getting an arena winrate like he does even though he gets sniped on a regular basis is impressive.
Gavin Wightman 60% isn't much... 60% is the winrate of every deck you can netdeck. I have 60% winrate with hotforms tempo warrior that doesn't make me a really good player...
Strifecro is not here because I didn't go through his videos for this. Reynad, Kibler, Trump, Amaz, and Kripp were the big five in terms of TH-cam views and were the only ones that actually did a full review that I could see. Firebat only appears here because I remember laughing at the suggestion that Cho'Gall would be the new Dr. 7 at the time of the review.
To be fair, every card that isn't terrible sees play after a release. Kibler and Reynad were more or less correct regarding Malkorok - it's a very expensive Weaponsmith. Similar remarks for a number of other cards appearing in the video - they simply didn't survive attrition on the ladder, as the various reviewers suggested. On the Hunt decks aren't exactly commonplace, the sentiments of this video notwithstanding.
Kripp's N'Zoth evaluation was the funniest, also love all the Darkshire Councilman comments even though I'm pretty sure most of the pros who played a warlock deck before any knowledge on the new meta did play it
I can't believe nobody saw the fact that Forbidden ritual + darkshire councilman is a very powerful combo in zoolock, where you can afford to play a 1/5 that can grow faster than a shade on turn 3 since you are already controlling the board. The argument against this would be nobody saw zoolock as an aggro deck before this, but alarm bells rang in me when I saw these 2 cards in warlock.
You should have put examples showing how they're wrong, not just a string of things they said. So they say "this card sucks" then show a clip how that card is actually awesome. Etc. Even just a screenshot of a long reddit thread raving about how said sucky card is awesome would be fine. So instead of 8 minutes of them saying "this card sucks" how about 4 minutes of "this card sucks" and 4 minutes showing "actually that card doesn't suck". I think that would have been a far more valuable video.
My suggestion would have made it funnier especially for those that don't play Hearthstone a lot. Some comments by themselves like Kripp's "Filling the board doesn't impact the board" was comedy, but most of the rest is kind of lost IMO.
Definitely agree with Geplus. As someone who plays Hearthstone but in no way competitively, all of these predictions didn't mean anything to me because I have nothing to compare them to. Having comparisons in the video of how good the cards actually are would have been a lot better for newer players watching this video, or just for players who aren't involved in the competitive scene. It shouldn't be the job of the viewer to sift through your channel to find the answers as to why this video is funny, to be honest.
People have gotten to Rank 1 Legend with a Rogue deck that runs two copies of Novice Engineer, a card that's been considered abysmal and unusable since it's nerf in the Beta. Don't underestimate unusual cards in Rogue decks, because if there's any class that can make 'em work, it's Rogue.
It's a tricky style, I'll give you that much. I still don't know how I managed to pull it off in the Arena on the day Gatgetzan got nerfed, but it did the job.
Don't understand the hate they're getting for their opinions. They had no idea how the meta would play out and some of their opinions were wrong. It happens when you're told to review 70 new cards. Them being wrong didn't stop them from making their own decks with the new cards or stop them from getting to legend every season.
It's funny to watch the incredibly skilled players whose opinions are taken as gospel by many idiots screw up. While they're still pretty smart, it's fun to see them not be perfect. It's more relatable that way.
I think alot of them just don't take the time to study the cards, because they wan't to rush out a review. Their opinions are as valid or invalid as anyone else. But some of the cards they are tanking, many of non pro players where praising, yet those guys get no credit. I still watch these dudes, I just think they need to take more time studying the card and it's potential synergy. The people who watch and support them and do look to them for guidance in the game deserve that much. Just my opinion
E.T.N. (Entertainment Talk Nation) Alot of them didn't have time though. They were asked to make reviews on the cards pre-release and and before the decks came into mainstream play, in order to increase WOTOG sales.
eeehh, perhaps, but they are not obligated, they can just as easily do the reviews afterwards, i think its more effective. Blizzard is not hurting for sales, and they aren't under contract with Blizzard. So saying they didn't have time is not accurate. They have time, what they don't have is patience. Trust me I get it, youtube is about taking the opportunity the moment it arises. But in their cases, they wont lose views. They just wont get them right away. I think its more service to their supporters to look over the cards in a deck simulator, see what cards it could potentially work well with, then do a review. Whats a couple day or a week to do proper research before blurting out how bad or good a card is?
E.T.N. (Entertainment Talk Nation) Blizzard doesn't have to be hurting for sales to make deals with players to promote their product. It's not like blizzard has refrained from jewing out in the past.
Music sucks yes it is, if its bad atm its bad atm xD thats how the game works, kel'thuzad on its own is good too, although its like the worst card in the game :o)
I actually find this refreshing, that players who seem to be far better experts than I am at this game can still get it wrong sometimes. This means that there's still room for discovery. The game isn't figured out prior to an expansion launch, so you actually need to play it to find out what works. To be fair, I'm sure these guys reviewed most of the cards prior to launch, and I wonder how many other cards they got correct?
because in expansions prior to wotog you would have been laughed at to play a 5/7 for 10 mana. Its like Kripp said. it doesn't immediately impact the board.
+Vegeta, Mighty Prince of the Saiyan Race Tirion is an 8 mana 6/6 that doesn't "immediately impact the board" That's why i always thought n'zoth was good.
Nzoth is probably the most solid one out of the old gods. you don't have to build an entire board. one sylvanas or tyrion is more than enough. I got three nzoths from the packs so far, one of which was golden :')
+Vegeta, Mighty Prince of the Saiyan Race tirion wasn't played? Did you even play HS. There was this deck called secret paladin and basically every single version of it ran tirion. The reason they thought N'Zoth wouldn't see play is they got blinded thinking all the deathrattle minions were leaving. Also N'Zoth isn't exactly great because N'zoth decks are often (really) good against corntrol and pretty inconsistent against aggro. N'zoth is still better than they expected though.
+alex andru You spend 2 mana to activate unstable portal Which reduces cost by 3 Which means that you get 1 mana discount, or less for minions that cost 2 or less Shifter gives no discount, but it is also somewhat versatile
A Neutral card that gets played in one class and isn't even that much of a swing in that one class isn't that great. Sure, Patron was only in warrior, but was a huge swing. Silithid Swarmer... not really.
Jaridavin 3/5 trades maker card (just like the 2 mana 4/5 with less restrictions) than most of the time takes 2 or 3 minions down or force a removal is great, btw what's the problem with being played in 1 or 2 classes? the 2 mana 4/5 isn't either and it was great on handlock/silence druid
SS hadow To start, the 2 mana 4/5 still made a swing in handlock, able to boost up two other cards, useful for a cheap 4 damage aoe, or a good user of Argus. As for the 3/5, it's not taking 3 minions with it. To start, you have to attack with yourself first, meaning certain cards literally can make you overdo the damage. Your opponent isn't going to attack it either, and by turn 3 the minions are generally going to have 3+ attack as well, so it isn't going to take 3 minions. Going back to the point of the 2 mana 4/5's advantages, let's see what cards Rogue has to give huge power of that 3/5. We could cold blood it, but wouldn't that work better on a 1 mana 2/1 that just needs your daggers? And even more to the point, I don't believe Rogue's are anywhere in the meta. Seeing high level play, it's not a class I'm seeing. It's not making a big enough impact.
Jaridavin 2 charges on your hero power and worhtly enough to play the 3/5 turn 3 instead of agent or farseer, if you dont have a play for turn 4 u can always trade and heal it with farseer if you have it on hand to win some board control or hero power waiting for a drake, top decking Pillager, building a decent Edwin, setting up auctuonary/dark iron or concealing the board, really useful imo, i dont get the "boosting up 2 other cards" point and the 2/1 cold blood play is specifically on an aggro rogue or pirates deck (which is pretty weak against a miracle/c'thun rogue). My experience is on the ladder so i'm not taking my commentary to tournaments or something like that.
This video is just meant to make Hearthstone personalities seem stupid and make viewers feel better about themselves. There's no way they could have foreseen what would have actually happened.
Having followed Kripp's predictions, I can say that while he's getting better at analyzing new cards for constructed, he's still fairly bad at it, which is pretty amazing considering he's played probably 5000 hours of HS, if not more. If he ever got serious again about PoE or Diablo 3 or something like that, I'd take his advice about character builds, but when it comes to advice about HS constructed, I'd take my own advice over his any day of the week, and when it comes to Arena, well, there's always Hearthpwn. Can't really speak for the others, since I haven't really tracked their predictions set by set.
he almost never play constructed, most of the time he play arena how do you expect him to know the details of constructed if you probably played more than him?
The channel Hearthstone HighJinks already did a version for Karazhan. I will be waiting a couple of months to see how the meta settles just before the next expansion before attempting to do one for MSG.
I feel like pros undervalued the majority of these cards because they had a "Wild perspective". Next time they will be more prepared to the shift of expansions.
I still watch pros' prediction videos for entertainment, but I no longer trust them and my personal predictions have honestly been WAY better. After hearing that Dr. Boom, Bash, Keeper of Uldaman, Shielded Minibot, N'Zoth, Reno Jackson, Flamewaker, Forgotten Torch, and Mysterious Challenger are all "never going to see play," I'll trust my own opinion.
Dr.Boom will forever be the most value stated card to date the card that made every deck pre wog a must have and will still in wild for a while thank gods its out of standart not sure how is was chilling in 7 mana all this time blizzard was nuts having that in the game this monster shud of stayed at 8 mana and still be on competetive side.
If you've been playing since beta, yes, you are an expert provided you are remembering everything you learn. Just because they don't play in big tournaments doesn't mean they're any worse, some have chosen the streaming life over pro playing.
Except thats wrong cause game changes a lot. Some of them been playing arena all day and fun decks at low ranks, like Kripp and lost touch. And you see yourself how expert they are in this very video. People who continue to play comp and tryhard to get high rank legend have much better insight and understanding of the game.
SusloNick Did you know that making mistakes is human nature? Someone can have just as good an understanding without having a high rank, perhaps they don't want to try and just have fun instead? Knowing what items to build in a MOBA doesn't take an expert, likewise neither does knowing cards and which work well with others. You make it sound as if HS is complicated.
+Dramiken HS is actualy complicated so much Rng reliant and so much of your life has to be wasted to sleep on a game to get to legend and it takes eternity to craft cards you need for deck thats going to get you to legend unless you pay2win like the world does.
The most hilarious part was Kripp laying into N'Zoth only for it to later become like Kripps trademark meme card. I mean what is a Kripp deck if it doesn't have N'Zoth and Sylvanus in it?
i don't blame him. it's gonna be awhile before any format gets interesting and when it does it'll probably be wild simply due to the breadth of the card pool. standard gets stale really quick.
As someone who plays MTG & has no idea what’s going on it’s really funny to see the reactions of strangers that may or not be satirical. I have no idea if the music behind them means the cards were actually super impactful to the game. It’s my new favorite thing lol
That's because hunter is an awful class to play yogg with. Also yogg is an awful card, so that doesn't make on the hunt good. It's not constructed quality.
so you have mage and druid? both excellent yogg decks but u will decide to play yogg-load hunter? its the worst yogg deck.. it's barely a yogg deck actually
If Yogg is your win condition, you're not playing a top tier deck! Yogg is fun, thats why we play it! And I've seen Dog, Kolento, Firebat and many HS players climb to legend with Yogg and Load. To say it can't as an absolute is a little ignorant I think.
yeah even pros dont really understand the game to it's fullest also they are overthinking a lot of things and looking at cards in the wrong perspektive but to be fair some of these reviews were given before all the cards were announced.
Yeah predicting cards to be good and fit in a future meta is almost impossible that's why card prediction in hs is kinda stupid. Also nobody thought dr boom were to be really good just goes to show:P
Its possable and these players are not super pro meta guyz there more like youtuber and twichers almost can call them casual just becouse they spend more time on the game dossint make them the top pros if they cant pridict shomthing just dish out and say this is soooooo bad and it actualy is in the top leader board deck like wow.
+Antixcanoe if not reaching top 100 legend is a bad month for them, they are pro. they play in tournaments and win matchs, its just that they are people and predicting the future isnt a talent humans possess
I do agree that Malkorok is a terrible card simply because cursed blade exists, I believe there are 20 possible weapons in standard, so about 5% chance of cursed blade, sure that is pretty low, but it means that 5% of the time you can easily lose the game
+Adan Higuera true, but personally I would prefer to just run gorehowl over this, so I get something consistent, I don't want to win the game through crazy RNG anyway haha
I have never been handed gorehowl or cursed blade. I have been handed Doomhammer a few times. It is not a terrible card. It may not be amazing but It gets the job done more often than not.
Malkorok is actually pretty sweet. Compare him to a card like Arathi weaponsmith. With one card he is a 6/5 body while also providing removal. Sure sometimes he's subpar, but other times he can be insane. If we assume that the "average" weapon he gets is anywhere between 2-3 attack, he is still a very solid card. If you're using him in the newer dragon warrior, he represents a lot of damage that can help you activate your crushers. If control warrior, he has a perfect body to counter a lot of midrangy minions while also giving you card advantage through a weapon.
Idk wtf Amaz was thinking saying that Shifter Zerus was good.. It is basically as good as populating your deck with random cards. Unstable is only good because it triggers "spell matters" effects and it makes the card cheaper.. Zerus is only good off Dark Peddler.
2:02 Yeah... he was right though, it was used in some decks like Reno Warrior to get another weapon but you didn't run him on the competitive decks, too unreliable and has a chance to lose you the game (cursed blade)
Two of the most useful cards in WotOG are the Cult Sorcerer and N'zoth. Mostly just because Cult Sorc for a C'Thun Ice Mage, and N'zoth because Warlock needed the boost imo.
Aye-aye-ron uh there videos are on TH-cam and i have never seen them at a world tournament so ya nice try.Also calling someone pros at video games is still hilarious lol
In fairness you could make a video about the cards people thought were reviewed incorrectly and then found a deck. Varian was supposed to be op, then considered unplayable, then saw a lot of play in recent times. Eadric was considered a bust but is in many Control pallys nowadays. Same with Thundet Bluff Valiant. The point is many of these reviews could be right (i predict silithid will find a deck)
Yeah, the problem is that they tend to review the card in a vacuum. And they'd be better off saying stuff like, "This is an amazing card, but the meta isn't right for it. Maybe down the road someday it'll be busted. But right now probably not." They draw so much fire for writing off or hyping certain cards, and they'd reduce a lot of the fallout if they would just add a bit more context rather than just saying bad, good, great, and so on.
Pretty sure Kripp was the only one that I wouldn't really call a pro and Kibler the only other person I wouldn't call a Hearthstone pro (yes to Magic pro even though he barely plays it anymore it seems)
I think you underestimate how difficult it is to predict how good cards will be when we haven't seen what the meta is like. Although it's still their fault for making predictions like this with such confidence especially after the same thing with them being wrong about so many cards has happened with every other set. I think the players I trust most to make these predictions are former Magic: The Gathering pros like Stan Cifka. Dunno if he did a card preview but I'd be willing to bet his would've been among the most accurate since MTG players firstly understand fundamental card game concepts more comprehensively, and secondly because they've been through so many new sets and rotations that they know how it works. Although on the other hand, Brian Kibler was a MTG pro and he had some poor opinions here.
Well, yeah. First of all, Kibler is just a prolific Magic: The Gathering pro player and the guy who was lead designer for the original World of Warcraft TCG. Just.
Just goes to show how little skill is required to play this game, that our beloved "pros" continously make bad predictions and lose to noobs on rank 25.
He is above average in Constructed. Not a Legend rank player, but that is what happens when you refuse to play cancer-aggro decks. He has played enough to give valid advice on new cards
Unstable portal is a spell. The most popular mage decks used unstable portal with spell synergy cards, like flamewaker and sorcerer's apprentice. So an unstable portal was potentially 1 mana for a random minion with -3 cost and 2 random dmg to the board and face. Occasionally it was used for tempo when no synergy plays could be made. But the point is that amaz was kind of brainless in his analysis, people didn't use unstable portal simply because it gave you a random minion.
+Jacob Darenberg tbf before Flamewaker was released Tempo Mage didn't really exist, certainly Apprentices were really only being ran with Malygos or Archmage, and yet Portal was still ran in like 40% of the other Mage decks
DiabolicNick A job is a thing you do to make money to survive. How is hearthstone not hes job? and how does that not make him a hearthstone professional?
hes the # 1 arena player in the world ( stats by blizzard themselve) so yeah kripp is a pro. Dont love him either but you kinda have to admit the guy is good lol
Holy shit I completely forgot about Cho'Gall. Why the fuck ISN'T he played!? I mean I haven't even seen him attempted by anyone. I he isn't not played because he's played, but because he just hasn't been acquired by people. Low chance of getting him just like any Legendary. Plus, he's not as exciting as others, so you're not going to go out of your way to craft him. I guess everyone is just too busy playing Zoo to use him.
because its very good for tempo at the cost of health, but with aggro decks always on the rise, if you deal dmg to youself as well you usually die rather quick
Warlock just doesn't have enough high-impact spells that have a high mana cost. Most warlock spells are low cost with a drawback or extreme low impact. Cho would be great in any other class, but warlock is just not where it finds a home right now. In future expacs if they try to make a spell-oriented warlock he will be god-tier
The meta at the time was super aggro and that is what they made their assumptions on. If you look at the cards from the aggro standpoint I don't think many of the opinions were necessarily wrong. Also they didn't know how the meta was going to change so they shouldn't be getting so much hate.
chogal IS an extremely good card it's just that warlock doesn't really have any good high cost spells besides siphon soul to gain big value out of its effect, if it were to be neutral it would see tons of play in various spell heavy decks I think
used to play thought it would like show them saying something then show them in a live stream playing after it came out saying the opposite or something like that.
The thing is, this was sal recorded when the genral consensus was that there would be a heavy, slow, control meta. Healing in control matches is not that important for instance, thus forbidden healing is indeed not that great for example.
Wow, Amaz really sucks at reviewing cards. I mean, saying that on the hunt is bad is forgivable but going on about how good FUCKING SHIFTER ZERUS is is unforgivable. Also Chogall.
"Filling your board with stuff doesn't impact the board" --Kripp
Gaining life impacts the board! Slapping down five beefy Deathrattle minions at once doesn't affect the board.
fuckin' Kripp, man.
He's just referring to the fact that if you're in a critical state where your opponent has lethal on the board and you need to either stop that or kill your opponent, spending all your mana summoning non-taunt deathrattles is just an embarrassing way to forfeit the game.
Which is true, because if your Opponent plays a lot of stuff and punches you in the face, the only thing that happens if you just play N`zoth is that you get punched again and you`re likely dead. N`Zoth was okay at the beginning when aggressive decks weren`t refined, but now on ladder you mostly just die until N`zoth hits the board and takes his turn before everything can attack. That`s why he has become pretty rare by now.
In the last expansion n'zoth would have been bad. Literally every card that you could drop past 6 or 7 that didn't taunt, kill something or win you the game was automatically not viable. The meta was so much faster than now, even though people bitch about the sorry state zoo is in now compared to how it was and shaman which is only viable because hunter is so trash now and even so shaman isn't really that fast.
well it doesn't. It has basically effect on your board next turn. Not immediately.
"Filling the board with minions does not immediately effect the board" Okay Kripp okay
Unless those minions have taunt or other immediate effects when they appear on the board, playing N'Zoth can just lose you the game because your opponent has lethal next turn. N'Zoth doesn't even always win you the game for 2 turns after you play it. Its amazingly slow. Why do you think N'Zoth paladin has disappeared from the meta? Filling the board with powerful minions is not going to save you from immediate death unless you run garbage-tier taunts like Infested Tauren.
The same could be said of Dr. Boom back in the day. But it shouldn't be measured by if you will survive lethal but rather the impact on the board. If putting a 7/7 and two 1/1s on the board is good for 7 then putting a 5/7 and a Sylvanas and Cairne on the board for 10 is pretty solid as well. For priest you could even have the shifting shade out there as well. It's insane to try to measure it by if it has taunt or not. Aggro can take out someone playing Boom on turn 7 but that didn't make Boom a bad card.
Dr. Boom is a card that you can play on turn 7. N'Zoth is a card you can play on turn 10 that requires you to draw AND play other cards first and have them die to satisfy its conditions. You usually don't play N'Zoth until turn 15+ even if it is in your opening hand. N'Zoth is a MUCH slower card.
He means that it does nothing to your enemys board so if they have a big board and you just summon your own dudes they still get to keep their board
Using common sense is advised :)
I don't get why people are so dumb back then. It's 10 mana - automatically assumes every single fucking turn there will be lethal from your opponent.
Kibler was right about Shifting Shade, it doesn't see competitive play..., but neither does Priest.
Zing.
pretty much every priest card i was like "the pro's were right this doesn't see play, but that is because priest is a garbage class now"
Priest is more of a PvE class for gimick heroic mode.
I use to play priest before the WOG expansion. and i complained how there are so many zoos. now i stopped playing because he is too risky, have to make zoo counter deck that only wins 40% to them, and because its a zoo counter it lose 100% to other heavy control decks. RIP my first 500 ranked win class
I made dragon priest deck and to my shock it has best win rate after renolock. Its good vs aggro and specifically heavy control warrior.
LOL, Kripp on N'zoth
"N'Zoth doesn't place taunts on the board."
"N'Zoth doesn't place taunts on the board."
"Doesn't Immediately impact the board" LOL
It's amazing how utterly wrong he was about N'zoth.
Well it's Kinda truth. N'zoth won't save your ass when you are in bad situation like C'thun can.
kripp is never wrong, his opinions just have bad RNG sometimes.
100% true
60% of the time it's true 100% of the time, except when they topdeck Flamestrike.
lol
Kripp wasn't even far off base with a bunch of his views, like Fandarel. It's pretty good but not gamebreaking in a few specific decks but it's far from an always include card.
perfect comment xD
turns out nzoth is preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty good
n'zoth blows. all of the decks around him blow. they all get shit on by agro because their win condition doesnt involve sitting there for 20 turns letting you set up lethal
Renolock blows? Cool story bro!
Aggro in Standard? Where do you live?
Asdfghjkl;' 123456789 at that point you're just playing midrange hunter
n'zoth hunter is quite meh, your real win condition is call of the wild, it really is like having 2 n'zoths only well they are 2 not one, the state of the game previous has no effect on it and it's on turn 8 maybe 7 if you hit it with emperor
"I can't imagine a cthun deck in warrior."
Goddamn.
C'thun decks turned out different to what everyone thought. Putting in only a couple of buff cards to trigger the effects with no intention of using C'thun itself turned out to be the way to go.
Actual C'thun warrior isn't even very good. The tank up warrior that happens to include C'thun for the ancient shieldbearer is.
+Kyrator88 yep, that's the only reason i include c'thun in my warrior, for that card.
*****
Brann/Shieldbearer and Brann/Vek'lor are just too good to pass up.
So not only was he wrong about the power level of the card, the card was so good it forced a cthun deck even though nobody wanted to put cthun in there.
The majority of hearthstone pros also said the meta would slow down.... funny that.
the majority of hearthstone "pros" are just lame people who plays the same game over and over again... till they get bored. They dont have any insights. Bunch of people making money from retards, who watch them at Twitch.
They said they hoped they meta will slow down. I don't think any of them blatantly said that it would slow to the point that we would have a control dominated meta.
When the meta is unrefined control thrives, when everyone knows what the best cards are and how to deal with the common threats then it speeds up and favors tempo/aggro.
LOL... Yea the meta isn't fast AT ALL.... what ????
What's so funny? The meta IS slow. There are only two viable aggro decks out there: zoo and aggro shaman. However I bet you are going to see DansGame warrior and rogue a lot more often past rank 10.
+Li ALEX I've taken a few deck from a low rank like 21 up to 5 recently, I think once I hit about rank 10 the only decks I played were face shaman, face pirate warrior, midrange hunter, face hunter, and like one control priest which killed my paladin deck. It's not fun to play the game with meta like this shit.
N'Zoth is hilarious because it's literally one of Kripp's favorite cards now lol. He just put out a video titled "Bad deck? Add N'Zoth"
He needs to make a video in which he apologizes to N'Zoth
Funny how now kripp is using nzoth in everyone of his deck lol.
But it doesent have any impact on the board!
he play it in standard??
Shinjuro what he means by no impact on the board is that it cannot save you if your opponent has lethal. Putting shit on the board means nothing if you die before they can attack, and because N'Zoth is 10 mana, you can't do anything else that turn and can die after playing him
@@jarekmarcinek7303 Spoiler alert, after turn 10 there are multiple occasions that the opponent will not have lethal!
Why people were acting like after turn 10 the opponent MUST have lethal back then?
akhs denlew I know, I actually love N’zoth, my point is simply that it is true that the card cannot save you in the worst case scenario, which is the scenario streamers most often consider when rating a card
"Hearthstone pros"
*includes amaz*
*facepalm*
Emil Jörgensen I'm relatively sure that he has played in a few tournaments
Emil Jörgensen I
Emil Jörgensen Amaz is a good player though, still to this day I don’t know why people hate him
@@jakerodregez2706 perhaps people are retarded and racist towards asian
@@unisonfung2399 this is the most logical reasoning for you?
Kripp talked about this video on stream. He took the L on Fandral, wouldn't argue with Forbidden Healing even if he was "eh". Didn't like that he was put on blast for N'Zoth. I do this all in good fun and of course people will agree or disagree with some of my picks here. Everybody's got their own opinions and sometimes they'll disagree even with very old cards. Specifically on N'Zoth, Kripp implies that the card is basically garbage without these impact cards, even though it can used as a control finisher even without those cards. That's the main justification for me including him in this video. Overall most of these streamers did fairly well with their predictions, I think it's just worth revisiting our predictions and having some lols when we get it wrong.
Technically, N'Zoth doesn't do shit if you're in a game against an aggro deck who is threatening lethal, and you didn't play a deathrattle taunt. On the other hand, it''ll win you a game against other control decks 90% of the time. It isn't bad, but it isn't the next best auto-craft of the expansion either.
You can use N'Zoth if you are already pretty good against aggro. The problem is that mid range decks tend to crush decks that end up being good against both aggro and control.
Kripp´s just a bit full of himself sometimes, and since he puts out so many videos he inherently talks quite some trash.
you are talking about an idiot that can't take criticism, he is too brain dead from all the shit he is eating and playing this 24/7
good video and fuck the fanboys
In 2+ months, haven't even SEEN a Cho'Gall, "THE NEXT DR. BOOM". LOL
The problem is that a lot of them have experience with Magic the Gathering. And in that game, using your life total as a resource instead of mana is a very powerful mechanic. That card for mage would be mind blowing, but Warlock just doesn't have a lot of meaningful spells. Just look at zoo the only spell is power overwhelming and forbidden ritual.
Maybe in a few years, cho'gall will be awesome in wild. Its an amazing card that is just unfortunately light years ahead of its time. Cards change in relevance as more are released.
I got this card from pack and i don't even want to put him in my renolock. I would better play Rag instead. There aren't many good spells in warlock to make him worth it. Maybe next expansion...?
For now he's not worth it but he can be sleeper good.Definitely not Dr. Boom level because he is not just a pile of stat or an useful ability no matter what but he can be worthy of an include later on.
+Larry Bobinski you're forgetting that there's two years of expansions to come to Hearthstone before Cho'Gall switches over to Wild. The card definitely has the potential to be good, it just needs the right push to be played in a control Warlock deck. There could very well be the perfect Warlock board clear coming in the fall expansion that can be put in Renolock to make Cho'Gall completely viable. The problem right now with Warlock board clears is that they tend to also injure your own minions, so you're probably not trying to place a Cho'Gall on the board just so it can get immediately Hellfire'd.
Yeah, cho'gall is definitely a sleeper with huge potential, but right now he doesn't have the toolkit needed to make him work. Imagine how powerful cho'gall could become overnight if the next expac released a flamestrike like card for warlock that you could use to gain board control and tempo on turn 7 with a Cho'gall + Wipe enemy board combo, or if warlock got a Call of the Wild-ish named something like Foul Summoning that brought in a taunt demon with solid stats. There's a lot of potential if any new cards come to light.
Amaz is wrong about everything so he didnt even need to be in this video.
Idk I'm pretty sure "On the Hunt" is a shitty card.
+Alex A. same
He predicted some of the nerfs tho (don't know about the other "pro" players predicitons)
+Alex A. lol it is but Amaz really pisses me off so that "everything" should probably be a 95% of the time.
Reynad is actually playing a rogue tempo deck with that 3/5 and getting rather successful with it so he was right in his own analysis of it at least
Sometimes it takes a pro to make the odd cards work for them.
Yeah, swarmer is actually quite good. I think the main issue is that rogue as a class is struggling in constructed, if people were actually playing a lot of rogue successfully then we'd probably see a lot more of those in circulation.
+The Message's Movies the problem atm is rogue struggles way too much against aggro decks if the meta would slow down rogue would be a lot more successful
yeah, 3/5 for 3 is great, the rogue tempo deck is just pretty bad against a lot of stuff.
Kripp just doesn't know there is something besides Arena is this game.
Oh he does, that's exactly the reason he only plays arena
I think putting Amaz there was cheating. Hes basically just a popular streamer, he doesn't know jack shit about the game
If your gonna say something as wrong as that. then most of the people in this video, shouldn't have been in this video.
+Gavin Wightman Kripp has experience? kappa123
+Gavin Wightman currently or highest?
well I think the same about reynad because the guy is just stupid as a human being but Kripp is a good player. Not in constructed but in Arena. Yes he often is a salty complaining dick but to be fair getting an arena winrate like he does even though he gets sniped on a regular basis is impressive.
Gavin Wightman
60% isn't much... 60% is the winrate of every deck you can netdeck. I have 60% winrate with hotforms tempo warrior that doesn't make me a really good player...
notice how strifecro is not here, he always does good card reviews and considers all the outcomes
hes not there cos hes a trash nobody who isnt even good as these "pro" streamers
+Michael Pearson If getting salty is the prerequisite to being a pro, then sure. Kripp and Reynad fits the bill perfectly.
I watch all 3 the fuck is your problem?
exactly, im saying being a pro at hearthstone is incredibly meaningless. the game has most pathetic tiny skill cap of any game ever
Strifecro is not here because I didn't go through his videos for this. Reynad, Kibler, Trump, Amaz, and Kripp were the big five in terms of TH-cam views and were the only ones that actually did a full review that I could see. Firebat only appears here because I remember laughing at the suggestion that Cho'Gall would be the new Dr. 7 at the time of the review.
But... Malkorok didn't see a ton of play to my knowledge
this was a video realeased like a week after the expanstion and back then everyone was playing malkorok in slow control warrior decks
More like a couple months after. People were playing Malkorok in Tempo Warrior back then, but that deck was eventually overshadowed by Dragon Warrior.
i didnt even look at the date but right at the start malkorok was in control lists right?
To be fair, every card that isn't terrible sees play after a release. Kibler and Reynad were more or less correct regarding Malkorok - it's a very expensive Weaponsmith. Similar remarks for a number of other cards appearing in the video - they simply didn't survive attrition on the ladder, as the various reviewers suggested. On the Hunt decks aren't exactly commonplace, the sentiments of this video notwithstanding.
you're kidding right? Dragon warrior and tempo warrior were very popular (and good) a couple of months ago!
kibler was kinda right about malkorok though, not many people use it
He was also right on the money with Darkshire Alchemist.
The irony of kripp saying N'zoth is shit and no one will play him, when Kripp puts N'zoth in every one of his fucking decks to carry him
Kripp's N'Zoth evaluation was the funniest, also love all the Darkshire Councilman comments even though I'm pretty sure most of the pros who played a warlock deck before any knowledge on the new meta did play it
Most of these are just meta calls. They thought the meta would be slower and they were really, really wrong
I can't believe nobody saw the fact that Forbidden ritual + darkshire councilman is a very powerful combo in zoolock, where you can afford to play a 1/5 that can grow faster than a shade on turn 3 since you are already controlling the board. The argument against this would be nobody saw zoolock as an aggro deck before this, but alarm bells rang in me when I saw these 2 cards in warlock.
You should have put examples showing how they're wrong, not just a string of things they said. So they say "this card sucks" then show a clip how that card is actually awesome. Etc. Even just a screenshot of a long reddit thread raving about how said sucky card is awesome would be fine. So instead of 8 minutes of them saying "this card sucks" how about 4 minutes of "this card sucks" and 4 minutes showing "actually that card doesn't suck". I think that would have been a far more valuable video.
You can check the other videos on my channel for that sort of thing. This is a comedy video.
My suggestion would have made it funnier especially for those that don't play Hearthstone a lot. Some comments by themselves like Kripp's "Filling the board doesn't impact the board" was comedy, but most of the rest is kind of lost IMO.
Oh, now I get it! hahaha. /s
Definitely agree with Geplus. As someone who plays Hearthstone but in no way competitively, all of these predictions didn't mean anything to me because I have nothing to compare them to. Having comparisons in the video of how good the cards actually are would have been a lot better for newer players watching this video, or just for players who aren't involved in the competitive scene. It shouldn't be the job of the viewer to sift through your channel to find the answers as to why this video is funny, to be honest.
Xd
This is why I only listen to StrifeCro's predictions. He is a wise panda indeed.
Wait wut. Reynad has gotten top 10 legend 2 seasons with the 3 mana 3/5 in his rogue deck..
how is this wrong at all?.. lol...
top 10 legend with... rogue??! :0 I must see this deck
People have gotten to Rank 1 Legend with a Rogue deck that runs two copies of Novice Engineer, a card that's been considered abysmal and unusable since it's nerf in the Beta. Don't underestimate unusual cards in Rogue decks, because if there's any class that can make 'em work, it's Rogue.
It's a tricky style, I'll give you that much. I still don't know how I managed to pull it off in the Arena on the day Gatgetzan got nerfed, but it did the job.
+marioland3000 freeze mage still utilizes novice lmao
Ciel I haven't seen a Freeze Mage in months, so it wasn't even on my mind.
Don't understand the hate they're getting for their opinions. They had no idea how the meta would play out and some of their opinions were wrong. It happens when you're told to review 70 new cards. Them being wrong didn't stop them from making their own decks with the new cards or stop them from getting to legend every season.
It's funny to watch the incredibly skilled players whose opinions are taken as gospel by many idiots screw up.
While they're still pretty smart, it's fun to see them not be perfect.
It's more relatable that way.
I think alot of them just don't take the time to study the cards, because they wan't to rush out a review. Their opinions are as valid or invalid as anyone else. But some of the cards they are tanking, many of non pro players where praising, yet those guys get no credit. I still watch these dudes, I just think they need to take more time studying the card and it's potential synergy. The people who watch and support them and do look to them for guidance in the game deserve that much. Just my opinion
E.T.N. (Entertainment Talk Nation) Alot of them didn't have time though. They were asked to make reviews on the cards pre-release and and before the decks came into mainstream play, in order to increase WOTOG sales.
eeehh, perhaps, but they are not obligated, they can just as easily do the reviews afterwards, i think its more effective. Blizzard is not hurting for sales, and they aren't under contract with Blizzard. So saying they didn't have time is not accurate. They have time, what they don't have is patience. Trust me I get it, youtube is about taking the opportunity the moment it arises. But in their cases, they wont lose views. They just wont get them right away. I think its more service to their supporters to look over the cards in a deck simulator, see what cards it could potentially work well with, then do a review. Whats a couple day or a week to do proper research before blurting out how bad or good a card is?
E.T.N. (Entertainment Talk Nation) Blizzard doesn't have to be hurting for sales to make deals with players to promote their product. It's not like blizzard has refrained from jewing out in the past.
"you need things like taunt for nzoth to be relevant, a bunch of death rattles won't save you" *shows tirion*
***** no fucking way fam I had no idea
lmfao
Lol the impression of Malkorok was 100% right, that card is maybe played rank 20 above
Bibo Bbds im actually a rank 1 Reno hunter and i use it in all My decks
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
He was played in tempo warrior. Just because it doesn't see play now doesn't mean the card is bad.
Music sucks yes it is, if its bad atm its bad atm xD thats how the game works, kel'thuzad on its own is good too, although its like the worst card in the game :o)
it's not bad though
Kripp hated on Nzoth, now he puts it in like every deck
Notice how often Kripparian came up in this video....
6:50 "this is trash with lock 'n' load" wtf? It's a 1-mana spell how would it be trash with lock 'n' load
Zachery Hawkling lmao
ah thats simple, if Lock n load is trash, then cards designed for lock n load are trash too
i see a lot of people laughing at kripp and i understand, but dude amaz
People expect it from Amaz
I can take all of it. But on N'zoth? Seriously? I mean... how can they all be fail like this.
I actually find this refreshing, that players who seem to be far better experts than I am at this game can still get it wrong sometimes. This means that there's still room for discovery. The game isn't figured out prior to an expansion launch, so you actually need to play it to find out what works. To be fair, I'm sure these guys reviewed most of the cards prior to launch, and I wonder how many other cards they got correct?
because in expansions prior to wotog you would have been laughed at to play a 5/7 for 10 mana. Its like Kripp said. it doesn't immediately impact the board.
+Vegeta, Mighty Prince of the Saiyan Race Tirion is an 8 mana 6/6 that doesn't "immediately impact the board"
That's why i always thought n'zoth was good.
Nzoth is probably the most solid one out of the old gods. you don't have to build an entire board. one sylvanas or tyrion is more than enough. I got three nzoths from the packs so far, one of which was golden :')
+Vegeta, Mighty Prince of the Saiyan Race tirion wasn't played? Did you even play HS. There was this deck called secret paladin and basically every single version of it ran tirion.
The reason they thought N'Zoth wouldn't see play is they got blinded thinking all the deathrattle minions were leaving. Also N'Zoth isn't exactly great because N'zoth decks are often (really) good against corntrol and pretty inconsistent against aggro. N'zoth is still better than they expected though.
Amaz is bad
he thinks Shifter Zerus = Unstable Portal hahaha.
Someone should watch his expansion and adventure reviews to see how much he has been off exactly.
So when did Shifter Zerus start reducing costs?
amaz is bad but i love him
+alex andru You spend 2 mana to activate unstable portal
Which reduces cost by 3
Which means that you get 1 mana discount, or less for minions that cost 2 or less
Shifter gives no discount, but it is also somewhat versatile
i have seen reynad playing silithid swarmer many times and i dont really think it's that bad on rogue
A Neutral card that gets played in one class and isn't even that much of a swing in that one class isn't that great.
Sure, Patron was only in warrior, but was a huge swing. Silithid Swarmer... not really.
Jaridavin 3/5 trades maker card (just like the 2 mana 4/5 with less restrictions) than most of the time takes 2 or 3 minions down or force a removal is great, btw what's the problem with being played in 1 or 2 classes? the 2 mana 4/5 isn't either and it was great on handlock/silence druid
SS hadow To start, the 2 mana 4/5 still made a swing in handlock, able to boost up two other cards, useful for a cheap 4 damage aoe, or a good user of Argus.
As for the 3/5, it's not taking 3 minions with it. To start, you have to attack with yourself first, meaning certain cards literally can make you overdo the damage. Your opponent isn't going to attack it either, and by turn 3 the minions are generally going to have 3+ attack as well, so it isn't going to take 3 minions.
Going back to the point of the 2 mana 4/5's advantages, let's see what cards Rogue has to give huge power of that 3/5. We could cold blood it, but wouldn't that work better on a 1 mana 2/1 that just needs your daggers?
And even more to the point, I don't believe Rogue's are anywhere in the meta. Seeing high level play, it's not a class I'm seeing. It's not making a big enough impact.
Jaridavin 2 charges on your hero power and worhtly enough to play the 3/5 turn 3 instead of agent or farseer, if you dont have a play for turn 4 u can always trade and heal it with farseer if you have it on hand to win some board control or hero power waiting for a drake, top decking Pillager, building a decent Edwin, setting up auctuonary/dark iron or concealing the board, really useful imo, i dont get the "boosting up 2 other cards" point and the 2/1 cold blood play is specifically on an aggro rogue or pirates deck (which is pretty weak against a miracle/c'thun rogue). My experience is on the ladder so i'm not taking my commentary to tournaments or something like that.
its one of the best 3 drops on arena when you have rogue
4:20 Kripp makes no sense here. Filling your board with minions is super proactive. Removing minions and healing is reactive.
This video is just meant to make Hearthstone personalities seem stupid and make viewers feel better about themselves. There's no way they could have foreseen what would have actually happened.
Having followed Kripp's predictions, I can say that while he's getting better at analyzing new cards for constructed, he's still fairly bad at it, which is pretty amazing considering he's played probably 5000 hours of HS, if not more. If he ever got serious again about PoE or Diablo 3 or something like that, I'd take his advice about character builds, but when it comes to advice about HS constructed, I'd take my own advice over his any day of the week, and when it comes to Arena, well, there's always Hearthpwn.
Can't really speak for the others, since I haven't really tracked their predictions set by set.
he almost never play constructed, most of the time he play arena how do you expect him to know the details of constructed if you probably played more than him?
D2ezbmu Lemonade is good but I hate that you have kills lemons to make it
Could you make this for Gadgetzan/Karazhan?
The channel Hearthstone HighJinks already did a version for Karazhan. I will be waiting a couple of months to see how the meta settles just before the next expansion before attempting to do one for MSG.
malkorok doesn't see that much play indeed
no he does see a lot of play, he's in tempo warrior and dragon warrior, and lots of ppl are playing those decks on ladder now
He is in some dragon warrior lists ;)
some people play him in dragon. i agree however that hes a subpar choice for those decks
A valuable lesson here folks. It turns out pros don't understand RNG as much as they think they do.
Putting stuff on the board doesn't impact the board... If only I could understand that, then maybe I'd pass rank 16
"I cannot really imagine a C'thun deck in warrior"
7:21 I thought people learned from Shieldmaiden
I feel like pros undervalued the majority of these cards because they had a "Wild perspective". Next time they will be more prepared to the shift of expansions.
Not really. Darkshire Councilman does better in Wild, as it has amazing synergy with haunted creeper and implosion.
+Guillem Tb well Kripp said ir will be really good in wild and predicted everything well in Wild
Kripp on N'Zoth lol. It's like his favorite card lol
I still watch pros' prediction videos for entertainment, but I no longer trust them and my personal predictions have honestly been WAY better. After hearing that Dr. Boom, Bash, Keeper of Uldaman, Shielded Minibot, N'Zoth, Reno Jackson, Flamewaker, Forgotten Torch, and Mysterious Challenger are all "never going to see play," I'll trust my own opinion.
Who said shielded minibot wouldn't see play? What the hell? Anyone could see that it's such a ridiculous 2 drop without ever playing the card.
Same with Dr. Boom; I can't imagine people saying Dr. Boom would never see play...it's a 17/9 stat abstract.
Dr.Boom will forever be the most value stated card to date the card that made every deck pre wog a must have and will still in wild for a while thank gods its out of standart not sure how is was chilling in 7 mana all this time blizzard was nuts having that in the game this monster shud of stayed at 8 mana and still be on competetive side.
Kripp said that Dr.Boom will never going to see play
Cezar Valentin So did Trump. And they weren't alone.
They are 'pro-streamers', not 'pro-players' anymore. Cant consider them game experts.
they're playing all day since beta and have attended tournaments, both casting and playing in them.
If you've been playing since beta, yes, you are an expert provided you are remembering everything you learn. Just because they don't play in big tournaments doesn't mean they're any worse, some have chosen the streaming life over pro playing.
Except thats wrong cause game changes a lot. Some of them been playing arena all day and fun decks at low ranks, like Kripp and lost touch. And you see yourself how expert they are in this very video.
People who continue to play comp and tryhard to get high rank legend have much better insight and understanding of the game.
SusloNick Did you know that making mistakes is human nature? Someone can have just as good an understanding without having a high rank, perhaps they don't want to try and just have fun instead? Knowing what items to build in a MOBA doesn't take an expert, likewise neither does knowing cards and which work well with others. You make it sound as if HS is complicated.
+Dramiken HS is actualy complicated so much Rng reliant and so much of your life has to be wasted to sleep on a game to get to legend and it takes eternity to craft cards you need for deck thats going to get you to legend unless you pay2win like the world does.
The most hilarious part was Kripp laying into N'Zoth only for it to later become like Kripps trademark meme card. I mean what is a Kripp deck if it doesn't have N'Zoth and Sylvanus in it?
moral of the story: kripp doesn't know shit about constructed.
He knows enough to stay away from it.
i don't blame him. it's gonna be awhile before any format gets interesting and when it does it'll probably be wild simply due to the breadth of the card pool. standard gets stale really quick.
As someone who plays MTG & has no idea what’s going on it’s really funny to see the reactions of strangers that may or not be satirical. I have no idea if the music behind them means the cards were actually super impactful to the game. It’s my new favorite thing lol
nobody plays the hunter deal 1 dmg, spawn a 1/1 - and nobody plays priest :D
yogg and load hunter does
never fought a yogg and load deck I see ;)
That's because hunter is an awful class to play yogg with.
Also yogg is an awful card, so that doesn't make on the hunt good.
It's not constructed quality.
so you have mage and druid? both excellent yogg decks but u will decide to play yogg-load hunter?
its the worst yogg deck.. it's barely a yogg deck actually
If Yogg is your win condition, you're not playing a top tier deck! Yogg is fun, thats why we play it! And I've seen Dog, Kolento, Firebat and many HS players climb to legend with Yogg and Load. To say it can't as an absolute is a little ignorant I think.
This is truly hilarious. I mean was this for REALL?!! hahah
I think trump and amaz were right on bilefin...
It's not actually that bad, it sees some marginal play in zoolock
I really hate making up names for this kind of stuff not any zoolock above rank 5
it sees play in zoolock
it's good in divine shield paladin
+bluesage485 and in the paladin divine shield deck
yeah even pros dont really understand the game to it's fullest also they are overthinking a lot of things and looking at cards in the wrong perspektive but to be fair some of these reviews were given before all the cards were announced.
They all disagree over cards so of course some will be right some will b wrong, this vid is just stupid.
Yeah predicting cards to be good and fit in a future meta is almost impossible that's why card prediction in hs is kinda stupid. Also nobody thought dr boom were to be really good just goes to show:P
Its possable and these players are not super pro meta guyz there more like youtuber and twichers almost can call them casual just becouse they spend more time on the game dossint make them the top pros if they cant pridict shomthing just dish out and say this is soooooo bad and it actualy is in the top leader board deck like wow.
+Antixcanoe if not reaching top 100 legend is a bad month for them, they are pro. they play in tournaments and win matchs, its just that they are people and predicting the future isnt a talent humans possess
Just some of them realy trumps deffinatly on a pro level some of the others are realy casual
on the hunt IS shit.
Bram Koster > Not in in the secret hunter with yogg build. Its still a removal, a beast and a spell, which is good enough for competitive play
Asto Done so because it sees play in a niche deck that no one really plays anymore makes it a good card?
K-Master It _was_ good for a while, it saw play in competitive quite a lot for hunter.
Asto Done it was in this deck only because we needed spells and we had nothing more that does not make it good
it saw play in the 2 days lock and load hunter was popular
>People thinking Malkorok wouldn't see play
>Wrong
Yeah... About that..
I do agree that Malkorok is a terrible card simply because cursed blade exists, I believe there are 20 possible weapons in standard, so about 5% chance of cursed blade, sure that is pretty low, but it means that 5% of the time you can easily lose the game
+Adan Higuera true, but personally I would prefer to just run gorehowl over this, so I get something consistent, I don't want to win the game through crazy RNG anyway haha
I have never been handed gorehowl or cursed blade. I have been handed Doomhammer a few times. It is not a terrible card. It may not be amazing but It gets the job done more often than not.
Malkorok is actually pretty sweet. Compare him to a card like Arathi weaponsmith. With one card he is a 6/5 body while also providing removal. Sure sometimes he's subpar, but other times he can be insane. If we assume that the "average" weapon he gets is anywhere between 2-3 attack, he is still a very solid card. If you're using him in the newer dragon warrior, he represents a lot of damage that can help you activate your crushers. If control warrior, he has a perfect body to counter a lot of midrangy minions while also giving you card advantage through a weapon.
its a really good card. at least 95% of the time, it's worth a very good 7 drop.
I've not seen a single Malkorok so it seems like the pro's where right on that one.
Idk wtf Amaz was thinking saying that Shifter Zerus was good.. It is basically as good as populating your deck with random cards. Unstable is only good because it triggers "spell matters" effects and it makes the card cheaper.. Zerus is only good off Dark Peddler.
Malkorok was very accurate, darkshire alchemist and on the hunt too
2:02 Yeah... he was right though, it was used in some decks like Reno Warrior to get another weapon but you didn't run him on the competitive decks, too unreliable and has a chance to lose you the game (cursed blade)
Darkshire Councilman, AKA: Zoolocks Wet Dream.
Two of the most useful cards in WotOG are the Cult Sorcerer and N'zoth. Mostly just because Cult Sorc for a C'Thun Ice Mage, and N'zoth because Warlock needed the boost imo.
They weren't wrong about Malkorok because people really don't run that card
I don't think I've ever seen one outside of Golden Monkey, Malchezaar or Full Leg Deck.
These aren't pros they are youtubers there is a huge difference.
TH-camrs who happened to be rank 1 legend at certain points and/or are very knowledgable about the game
They ARE all pros and none of them are you tubers. They are all streamers.
Aye-aye-ron
uh there videos are on TH-cam and i have never seen them at a world tournament so ya nice try.Also calling someone pros at video games is still hilarious lol
ResurrectedHero
Still doesn't make them pros
its a video game and hearthstone at that lol nothing professional about them.
Being a pro just means you make income from it rather than playing it as a hobby for example, it has nothing to do with skill or knowledge.
I love how my predictions were on point
Brad Bermann proof?
Reynad wasn't completely off about Silithid Swarmer. It's been on his Aggro Warrior and done some real work.
*in
its done ok in my rogue too
reynad actually used silithid swarmer in his decks...
He used it yes, but it's still not a meta card and isn't used any deck worth talking about
why was scamaz wrong about on the hunt? only in yoggnload and pleb midrange hunter decks
I don't get how Kibler was wrong about Malkorok. I never see it get played.
this was a video realeased like a week after the expanstion and back then everyone was playing malkorok in slow control warrior decks
i cant get over how clueless kripp is on almost every card
Malkorok isnt even good
It was in most control decks when warrior was dominant after old gods
Brendan Beckett no no it wasn't. he was never ran on cw. only on tempo lists
Atlas i guarantee it was. When 2 death bites rotated out, Malkorok and gore howl replaced them for a time.
+Brendan Beckett malkorok did not see play
Brendan Beckett well good list didn't. I mainly played cw back then myself
The n'zoth section was hilarious. "Won't impact the board"
In fairness you could make a video about the cards people thought were reviewed incorrectly and then found a deck. Varian was supposed to be op, then considered unplayable, then saw a lot of play in recent times. Eadric was considered a bust but is in many Control pallys nowadays. Same with Thundet Bluff Valiant. The point is many of these reviews could be right (i predict silithid will find a deck)
Yeah, the problem is that they tend to review the card in a vacuum. And they'd be better off saying stuff like, "This is an amazing card, but the meta isn't right for it. Maybe down the road someday it'll be busted. But right now probably not."
They draw so much fire for writing off or hyping certain cards, and they'd reduce a lot of the fallout if they would just add a bit more context rather than just saying bad, good, great, and so on.
This video sends a good message to a open mind never know for sure what's going to happen in the meta and what's going to be made later
I like the HS streamers, but in no way i would call most of these "pro".
But no matter how good they are, they all play HS for a living, making them professionals
Pretty sure Kripp was the only one that I wouldn't really call a pro and Kibler the only other person I wouldn't call a Hearthstone pro (yes to Magic pro even though he barely plays it anymore it seems)
I think you underestimate how difficult it is to predict how good cards will be when we haven't seen what the meta is like. Although it's still their fault for making predictions like this with such confidence especially after the same thing with them being wrong about so many cards has happened with every other set.
I think the players I trust most to make these predictions are former Magic: The Gathering pros like Stan Cifka. Dunno if he did a card preview but I'd be willing to bet his would've been among the most accurate since MTG players firstly understand fundamental card game concepts more comprehensively, and secondly because they've been through so many new sets and rotations that they know how it works.
Although on the other hand, Brian Kibler was a MTG pro and he had some poor opinions here.
Dino Spumoni I agree with this. Good points.
Well, yeah. First of all, Kibler is just a prolific Magic: The Gathering pro player and the guy who was lead designer for the original World of Warcraft TCG.
Just.
Just goes to show how little skill is required to play this game, that our beloved "pros" continously make bad predictions and lose to noobs on rank 25.
some of the predictions in this video were right though... And lol, why would kripp review cards for constructed when he's only good at arena
He is above average in Constructed. Not a Legend rank player, but that is what happens when you refuse to play cancer-aggro decks. He has played enough to give valid advice on new cards
Dank Potatoes if that were true there would be thousands of no name players that would be "qualified" enough to give advice lul
Sure. A lot of people are capable of giving advice to new players. The thing is, that none of them have millions of viewers to listen to them
KIbler doesn't play aggro and in fact only plays priest and mage and is a top legend player. You don't have to player aggro to win in the meta
Khoi Pham except Kripp already got legend
Well, Kripp was right except that Nzoth putting 4 void lords into play DOES impact the board.
Why was amaz wrong about zerus/unstable portal? lol
Unstable portal is a spell. The most popular mage decks used unstable portal with spell synergy cards, like flamewaker and sorcerer's apprentice. So an unstable portal was potentially 1 mana for a random minion with -3 cost and 2 random dmg to the board and face. Occasionally it was used for tempo when no synergy plays could be made. But the point is that amaz was kind of brainless in his analysis, people didn't use unstable portal simply because it gave you a random minion.
+Jacob Darenberg tbf before Flamewaker was released Tempo Mage didn't really exist, certainly Apprentices were really only being ran with Malygos or Archmage, and yet Portal was still ran in like 40% of the other Mage decks
I don't think you'd have enough footage in the entire history of Hearthstone, to make a "Things Pros got right" video.
Kripp= hearthstone pro?!?!? Nice meme bro...
Pro means professional. Hearthstone is kripps job (profession). 1+1=2.
Kripp has no formal job. 1+1=2, Kripp is not a pro at hearthstone.
DiabolicNick A job is a thing you do to make money to survive. How is hearthstone not hes job? and how does that not make him a hearthstone professional?
hes the # 1 arena player in the world ( stats by blizzard themselve) so yeah kripp is a pro. Dont love him either but you kinda have to admit the guy is good lol
KKK MATER not in the world tho, there are players in asia with more winrate than him. But he was the player with most 12 wins so props to him.
Holy shit I completely forgot about Cho'Gall. Why the fuck ISN'T he played!? I mean I haven't even seen him attempted by anyone.
I he isn't not played because he's played, but because he just hasn't been acquired by people. Low chance of getting him just like any Legendary. Plus, he's not as exciting as others, so you're not going to go out of your way to craft him.
I guess everyone is just too busy playing Zoo to use him.
I disenchanted it right away, i like to make bad cards work but there is no good spell u can combo it with.
because its very good for tempo at the cost of health, but with aggro decks always on the rise, if you deal dmg to youself as well you usually die rather quick
No good enough spells. IF chogall was in a class other than warlock it would have seen play for sure
Warlock just doesn't have enough high-impact spells that have a high mana cost. Most warlock spells are low cost with a drawback or extreme low impact. Cho would be great in any other class, but warlock is just not where it finds a home right now. In future expacs if they try to make a spell-oriented warlock he will be god-tier
Because Warlock doesn't rely on spells to win.
Kolento his not here ... its not surprising
Kibler was pretty spot on about the alchemist, and kripp was also pretty right about the the forbidden healing
They were right about Malkorok, shifting shade, bilefin tidehunter, On the hunt. these cards all suck.
shifting shade and malkorok are both really good cards, it's just that their decks are not in the current meta. but that doesn't mean they "suck".
Alvin Westman Holm malkorok is fine it doesnt fot with pirates. and priest as a whole is weak but shade would be played in almost any class.
The meta at the time was super aggro and that is what they made their assumptions on. If you look at the cards from the aggro standpoint I don't think many of the opinions were necessarily wrong. Also they didn't know how the meta was going to change so they shouldn't be getting so much hate.
Meanwhile, Hotform was right about almost all the cards
Who?
Hotform
Well, contrary to Reynad, Kripp etc. Hotform is one of the best HS players in the world
who tf is that,
+Complaints he's hotform, biatch
I KNEW that opening line from Reynad would be used in the WOTG version of this video :d
What are you on, Bilefin is terrible . same for on the hunt
Jokes on you they both saw play
Tis Cara Trut Bilefin saw play in aggro murloc decks and on the hunt saw play in yogg and load. Those are not real decks, just fun shit.
If I remember correctly I think Bilefin saw play in competitive Zoolock for about a week after release.
A cards saw play a week after release, that means it was later tested as too weak.
Parsa Khani yes but at the time of the video it was probably being played
Uhhh, was Malkorok good? I remember it being a really terrible card.
Malkorok really isn't that great tho
chogal IS an extremely good card it's just that warlock doesn't really have any good high cost spells besides siphon soul to gain big value out of its effect, if it were to be neutral it would see tons of play in various spell heavy decks I think
Krip saying n"zoth doesn't impact the board immediately actually gave me autism.
Was kind of hoping for more of a breakdown of how and why they were wrong... got one of those?
i dont know the meta so this video did nothing for me.
Why'd you watch the video?
used to play thought it would like show them saying something then show them in a live stream playing after it came out saying the opposite or something like that.
The thing is, this was sal recorded when the genral consensus was that there would be a heavy, slow, control meta. Healing in control matches is not that important for instance, thus forbidden healing is indeed not that great for example.
kripp on nzoth and fandrel oh god
Wow, Amaz really sucks at reviewing cards. I mean, saying that on the hunt is bad is forgivable but going on about how good FUCKING SHIFTER ZERUS is is unforgivable. Also Chogall.