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  • @andrewnotmyrealname7827
    @andrewnotmyrealname7827 ปีที่แล้ว +1726

    Loved the poll to select the GPU, followed by just damaging the thing by accident.
    Next video idea, choose your own adventure PC build. Chapter selection to see your preferred ending.

    • @andrewnotmyrealname7827
      @andrewnotmyrealname7827 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@brandonb5395 damn, didn't know Markiplier already did it. My bad.

    • @RowenStipe
      @RowenStipe ปีที่แล้ว +60

      It reminded me of the days when TH-cam had annotations and some people made whole "Choose Your Own Adventnure" style videos.

    • @albinohopper45
      @albinohopper45 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@andrewnotmyrealname7827its not your bad for him already doing a choose your own adventure, pretty sure he didn't do it with a pc build so don't apologize

    • @MrGamelover23
      @MrGamelover23 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@andrewnotmyrealname7827in space with Markiplier 1 and 2, a date with Markiplier, etc.

    • @raynjpg
      @raynjpg ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@andrewnotmyrealname7827he did "choose your own adventure" style videos, but nothing to do with building a PC.
      but also, it would take LTT a LONG time to put together a project like that, even longer than the "Ultimate PC Build Guide," which took pretty long, and they also most likely have no interest in doing it.
      not to shit on your idea, i think it's a pretty cool idea, just challenging and time consuming to produce in the context of building like between tens and hundreds of different PCs to suit every different possible outcome.

  • @Neoxon619
    @Neoxon619 ปีที่แล้ว +3213

    Feels weird that de-lidding a CPU was Apple’s way of trying to curb upgradability back then.

    • @ncard00
      @ncard00 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Just buy an M2 ultra Mac Studio, way cheaper, way more stable, way better for the planet.

    • @akshatsingh9830
      @akshatsingh9830 ปีที่แล้ว +522

      @@ncard00 thankyou for the wisdom

    • @faetalize
      @faetalize ปีที่แล้ว +428

      @@ncard00 bot

    • @DistrosProjects
      @DistrosProjects ปีที่แล้ว +173

      It probably wasn't, it was just Apple trying to make the stupidest possible cooling system because Think Different™. It was a server and had otherwise extremely upgradable internals sooooo

    • @Solkre82
      @Solkre82 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I wouldn't think they did it to keep you from upgrading, they just don't care how hard it is.

  • @evilkillerwhale7078
    @evilkillerwhale7078 ปีที่แล้ว +197

    Going from 1->16GB per slot is "over a 15 x upgrade." Brilliant. 10/10. Perfectly written.

    • @andrewcyber4
      @andrewcyber4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂

    • @SamuraiGuy
      @SamuraiGuy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is exactly a 15x increase of memory capacity.

    • @Sparktan24
      @Sparktan24 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@SamuraiGuy It its 15GB more x slot, not 15x more, you don't have 1 GB of ram and change to 4 GB and say I have the triple of ram now.

    • @SamuraiGuy
      @SamuraiGuy ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Sparktan24 When you say you got "X times more", you end up with X+1 times as much as you started with.
      1GB to 4GB would be 4 times as much, and 3 times more.
      The same happens with percentages. 100% as much means no change, 100% more means a doubling.

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Come on guys. 16 is always over 15. that's the funny point. Not counting "how many times" bla bla bla. You're missing the point ... XD

  • @SomethingUnique404
    @SomethingUnique404 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Linus: Look it had LEDs for error codes making diagnostics easy
    Also Linus: let's do random stuff to figure out where he messed up

  • @stickydone
    @stickydone ปีที่แล้ว +253

    Fun fact, I had this exact config as a workstation for three years during university, although with a Dell R610 and a 3d printed mounting bracket to the side of the server for the gpu. After about a year you don't notice the jet engine below your desk anymore.

    • @shogakusha
      @shogakusha ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I've got an old IBM Pentium 4 server, and you'd swear there was a squadron of harriers taking off when you fire that useless thing up. It was a nice Minecraft server back in the day, but I doubt it would even run modern Minecraft.

  • @0kmaw
    @0kmaw ปีที่แล้ว +1656

    A long time ago, Apple really was a nice company for customizability

    • @jonesymeow9487
      @jonesymeow9487 ปีที่แล้ว +166

      Too long ago to matter.

    • @Jo21
      @Jo21 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      only for business but they gave up that market

    • @MrGamelover23
      @MrGamelover23 ปีที่แล้ว +123

      ​@@sys-administratorthey actually used to let other companies make apple computers. They stopped it when people were making better ones than them. I'm not kidding.

    • @MrGamelover23
      @MrGamelover23 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@__-fi6xglong ago, they let other companies make apple computers.

    • @jbingbao
      @jbingbao ปีที่แล้ว +112

      @@electrikoptik ? are you ok buddy

  • @LRM12o8
    @LRM12o8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    4:48 the only thing the ghost of Tim Cook would scream is: "The f@ck you talking about, I'm still alive! I ain't no ghost!" 😂

    • @SDAHGJKL
      @SDAHGJKL 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think he meant Jobs

  • @penguinlust6749
    @penguinlust6749 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    On a 5,1 tower you can run Westmere processors and Pascal generation cards. You can also run High Sierra, so you get past the Steam problem.

    • @-r-3542
      @-r-3542 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      for now...but they are going to cut high sierra support next..i expect them to mantain mojave support for some years since catalina sucks at gaming.

  • @justinbouchard
    @justinbouchard ปีที่แล้ว +170

    the cpu falling off the the spacer that linus was holding is amazing

    • @MarioGoatse
      @MarioGoatse ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Linus Drop Tips strikes again!

    • @mrpatton01
      @mrpatton01 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank god the man is rich

  • @insu_na
    @insu_na ปีที่แล้ว +416

    get a topography map of the server and make sure to pin the game threads to the CPU that is connected to the GPU, otherwise you're gonna have a really bad time. seems like portal ran on the wrong CPU and Batman ran on the correct CPU, hence the massive difference in performance

    • @PistolShrimpPimp
      @PistolShrimpPimp ปีที่แล้ว +34

      it was going at 300 FPS, it wasn't a performance issue. It was an optimization issue. You could also see Arkham tearing like crazy, too.

    • @aarrondias9950
      @aarrondias9950 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or remove one of the cpus

    • @genderender
      @genderender ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@PistolShrimpPimp Portal 2 had a shit ton of input latency, which can be caused by the game running on CPU 1 but the GPU connected to CPU 0

    • @PistolShrimpPimp
      @PistolShrimpPimp ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@genderender when vsync was enabled

    • @tux9656
      @tux9656 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those registered DIMMs didn't help either.

  • @Stefan_Payne
    @Stefan_Payne ปีที่แล้ว +15

    on Intel X58 and X79, you have to populate the Memory Channels in order, aka Slot one of a channel first, otherwise no boot.
    Something to keep in mind.

  • @XVIravenIVX
    @XVIravenIVX ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This sounds like an excellent candidate for using with OpenCore. Apple and Steam want the 3,1 server to die, so force it into the modern day with Big Sir or Ventura. Even looks like the scene for that on the forms is fairly active.

  • @sneekydart7359
    @sneekydart7359 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    My first ever “gaming” pc had a x5570 and I find it so funny that that’s the fastest cpu available in this machine

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My first modern gaming capable system had a Xeon W3520 (i7-920) from the same generation. That was in a HP Z400 Workstation, in 2016 I upgraded the CPU to a X5670 6c/12t and a bit later built a system with a OC capable motherboard. In between I also had a W3550 (i7-950) but that was only for few months
      I'm still using the X5670 @ 4.4GHz with 24GB RAM and GTX 1080

  • @shangerdanger
    @shangerdanger ปีที่แล้ว +25

    the ghost of tim cook?? he's alive?

    • @enginerd80
      @enginerd80 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could it be that it was a joke?

    • @xDMG15x
      @xDMG15x ปีที่แล้ว

      He didnt stop and look at the camera afterwards so i’m guessing he just meant steve jobs

  • @CaseBrick
    @CaseBrick ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I missed the jank videos. GPU on it's back resting on a PSU. I love it

  • @danwhite3224
    @danwhite3224 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'm surprised how close this is in specs to the second PC I ever built
    Dual Xeon X5675s, 980Ti, 48GB ECC RAM

    • @Mechinsam
      @Mechinsam ปีที่แล้ว +1

      980Ti is still awesome 💪

    • @vinylSummer
      @vinylSummer ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Mechinsama lil bit better than 3050 level of performance, kind of a stinker nowadays honestly

  • @bubberiffic
    @bubberiffic ปีที่แล้ว +318

    Linus, I know that you read some of your comments sometimes, and I just wanted to say how grateful I am for all that you've done for the PC and tech community! I wouldn't know what I do today about PC's and more without you! - Keep up the good work, Mr. Chief Vision Officer. -Parker A.

    • @kameljoe21
      @kameljoe21 ปีที่แล้ว

      No they do not read comments at all. They have made it clear they only care about the people who go to float plane what ever the hell that is. Since I do not leave the site for any reason. I will never know what is over there. Not worth it at all to be forced to go else where to leave comments. There is even on youtuber who shut all comments off on videos and now forcing people to visit his forums. Which not everyone cares about. Plus on top of that he now is forcing people to watch videos on his site rather than post them to youtube. People are mad yet they can not express it because he locked it all down. he might as well delete his channel.

  • @jojobobbubble5688
    @jojobobbubble5688 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    Look into installing Linux on this. I've had decent luck installing Linux on older intel Macs. Haven't done it on a server though. Could also look into forcing newer versions of MacOS to install

    • @baumarxl892
      @baumarxl892 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      This!
      I can't believe they didn't try this. Maybe we'll get an extra video with Emily?

    • @dfirebug922
      @dfirebug922 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep, I was also silently screaming this in my head

    • @stefannilsson2406
      @stefannilsson2406 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He stated that people have tried to emulate a uefi boot enviroment to no success. This means that linux won't work either, or any other OS than Mac OS for that matter.

    • @bluesillybeard
      @bluesillybeard ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@stefannilsson2406 Linux doesn't necessarily use UEFI. It can be changed to boot in any way imaginable.
      The only issue is someone would have to actually create the boot loader for it, which might be quite difficult.

    • @alfiegordon9013
      @alfiegordon9013 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@stefannilsson2406you can run Linux on these without UEFI, just uses bios

  • @Obisan1990
    @Obisan1990 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    13:03 the funniest line ever, I’ve been laughing for 5 mins straight 😂

  • @chriscalderon1337
    @chriscalderon1337 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    You know you really can game on the equivalent Mac Pro. The 4,1 can be flashed to a 5,1, upgraded with dual X5690 and 96GB of RAM. You can install PCIe cards so 10Gbe and NVMe drives work. You can even boot from NVMe if you upgrade to Mojave. I personally like running Ubuntu on these systems.

    • @Drw4878
      @Drw4878 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m an owner of a 5,1 with dual x5680 (not my main system anymore.) with an rx580 as the gpu surprisingly capable

    • @yesterdaysjam2405
      @yesterdaysjam2405 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah that's basically my gaming setup during the lockdowns lol

    • @-r-3542
      @-r-3542 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Drw4878 even the rx550 are good enough if you dont do heavy gaming..the baffin ones of course, lexa is not compatible.

    • @-r-3542
      @-r-3542 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yesterdaysjam2405 using macos?
      i use it for gaming too..i mean, on my hack

  • @SimonSomething
    @SimonSomething ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Linus is the ElectroBOOM of computer tech

    • @Keepskatin
      @Keepskatin ปีที่แล้ว

      Everything about my life is Janky

  • @jason420
    @jason420 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Would have loved to see the Linux gaming performance of this machine

    • @Catsrules1
      @Catsrules1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you install Linux on this machine? Would it have the same BIOS issue as Windows?

  • @sqg7010
    @sqg7010 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:25 have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth plageus the wise...?

  • @teg24601
    @teg24601 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can put any SATA or SAS drive in those sleds. I've done it, several times.

  • @jordan15308
    @jordan15308 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I dont know if this will ever be used in a video but i used to power car speakers/subwoofer with a computer powersupply jumping the pins similar to what you did in this video, except it was just a short wire i cut and bridged.

  • @fellow9939
    @fellow9939 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    linus saying "I'm going to try something" normally results in at least $7,000 in damages, lost time and medical bills.

  • @jeremiahlyleseditor437
    @jeremiahlyleseditor437 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great Video Linus.
    You should have bench tested that machine using Cinebench then compared those specs against one of your favorite systems.

  • @sephondranzer
    @sephondranzer ปีที่แล้ว +4

    7:21 - you could get a preview into the problem with the screen flickering after Linus already removed the PCIE that may have broken ❤

  • @RowanBird779
    @RowanBird779 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Fun fact! IBM System x3650 M1s (and likely other models) used a special PCIe connector for the dual 8x riser, which is considerably longer than a normal 16x slot

    • @ChickenBG7
      @ChickenBG7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have two of these machines still running! They are still surprisingly capable and very reliable!

  • @CrackManT
    @CrackManT ปีที่แล้ว +182

    It'd be pretty funny if Apple's reasoning to abandoning the server market was that they could not understand and grasp the aspect of consumers upgrading their hardware instead of buying an entirely new one at full price.... Come to think of it, it's not that far fetched.

    • @kenneyc
      @kenneyc ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Apple painted themselves into a corner with the Xserve. They made it great and mostly upgradable. But once the sale was over, there was little way to make more money from that same customer. No software licensing fees, fairly easy upgradability, and little reason for someone to replace the entire unit. Then there was the company's shift to iPhone and the Xserve just wasn't worth their time anymore.

    • @cosineaudio
      @cosineaudio ปีที่แล้ว +13

      You mean you don’t plan on doing a total server overhaul every 4 years? -Tim Cook, probably

    • @a6am3mn0n
      @a6am3mn0n ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lots of business actually do replace their servers every 3-4 years to keep on top of the latest technology.

    • @stillmoms
      @stillmoms ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah, this thread is really revealing who works in IT and who doesn’t. Most places never upgrade servers. They buy a server, use it for 3 - 10 years depending on workload, and then replace it with a newer server.

    • @CrackManT
      @CrackManT ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@stillmoms Or they use it for 15 years with in place upgrades where applicable, which is the vast majority of cases.
      I don't think even Google invests in servers every 5 years, the average enterprise server lives its life until it is not capable of meeting the required demands, where I work there is still an DL380 G6 in operation since 2011, that's almost 12 years of service and it still keeps up with what we're asking of it.

  • @wilsondavenport6939
    @wilsondavenport6939 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One thing that has recently become fleshed out that i would like to see an LTT video on is the open core legacy patcher

  • @FreightTrain54
    @FreightTrain54 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I do totally expect the M class systems to progressively start supporting gaming more. I hope the game devs lean into it... or maybe if Xcloud starts working on it. Until then, there's always Shadow :)

  • @ilp8817
    @ilp8817 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    While I love the channel growth and all the fancy stuff, nothing beats good ole LTT jank lol.

  • @tarzancapota2449
    @tarzancapota2449 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    An upgradeable Apple product feels weird

    • @bubberiffic
      @bubberiffic ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That's why it has no support 😭

    • @Dakforever1
      @Dakforever1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      apple the e-waste kings

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว

      The weirdest thing is that Apple wanted it and Intel made it so ...

    • @Teluric2
      @Teluric2 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Apple= disposable hardware kings.

  • @FXD777_69
    @FXD777_69 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Portal-mouse problem also fixes when you just go into the task-manager(or "Forcequit"), switch to another window and then switch back to portal or any other source based game (often half life based games) where the bug is represented.

  • @EvilModPixie
    @EvilModPixie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Both the XServe and the Mac Pro of that generation are picky about where you put the RAM, in what pairs and what density. To reach the maximum RAM you have to find the magic combo of density, timing, and amount per stick. There is plenty of documentation related to the Mac Pro which applies almost 1 to 1 for the same XServe.

  • @griffin8062
    @griffin8062 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I suspect the reason you couldn't get 96GB of RAM to work is your memory has more ranks than the memory controller can handle

    • @KingOfKYA
      @KingOfKYA ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah, server ram can be real fun that way, if those are the quad ranked Kingston sticks I think they are.

    • @ysmg9010
      @ysmg9010 ปีที่แล้ว

      Funny to think you could have the same 64Gigs on a mITX board in 2021.
      I know it's not ECC, just shows how hardware ages.
      And most "gamers" don't care about memory amount and run on 32 or even 16 with high end Mainboards and GPUs :)

  • @MrVlodato
    @MrVlodato ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Im really surprised Apple didnt just pay steam to make a proton version for MacOs. I feel like M2 with proton support would be pretty cool.

  • @MandoMonge
    @MandoMonge ปีที่แล้ว

    Seeing that twisting of the extension cable shoved from the back make me audibly go “JESUS LINUS!!!” 😂😂😂

  • @Wildchildinc
    @Wildchildinc ปีที่แล้ว

    3:18 had me feeling like old youtube when people used closed captions to make interactive videos.

  • @Macbono
    @Macbono ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've been gaming Cyberpunk real good with 2010 cheesegrater and 6600xt. Actually runs surprisingly well(Windows setup naturally).

  • @charleshughes7007
    @charleshughes7007 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    LGA1366 Xeons are still pretty respectable performance on PC too, especially the 6-core models. I ran an X5660 overclocked to 4.6GHz with 24GB of trash can Mac Pro RAM in a Gigabyte board as my main gaming machine for a while. Upgraded to 3000-series Ryzen when they released - mostly because of the X58 chipset's I/O limitations like lack of USB3, SATA3, and NVMe.

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Check on limitations. Had to buy pcie cards for usb3 and sata3. Never bothered to install NVMe but I know there are solutions as well. Ryzen 3000 series is a valid upgrade path. Unlike the 1000 series which were unable to beat X58 and this much older xeons XD

  • @briann517
    @briann517 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don’t know why but it’s really cool to see him use that old Titan card that he used to use all the time :)

  • @Fitzz1919
    @Fitzz1919 ปีที่แล้ว

    The focus pulling on this video was so good. 😮 Going between each person as they were speaking when they were both in frame. So sick.

  • @AlanTheBeast100
    @AlanTheBeast100 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Mac memory specs are as tested at Apple. Often you can put in more than the spec on most intel Macs. eg: My CordDuo spec'd to 4 GB, but I installed 4+2 = 6 GB (would not support 8 GB).

    • @whette_fahrtz
      @whette_fahrtz ปีที่แล้ว

      Apple also would like to list something as "Max 4GB" because there was only 2 RAM slots and the largest DIMMs you could buy at launch were 2GB, so the maximum you could *configure* it for was 4, once 4GB DIMMs came out later, it was usually down to what the memory controller could address

  • @lars5306
    @lars5306 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Pretty sure there is a microcode update hackery to install Westmere cpus. Those offer 6 cores, 32nm and a lot more performance. X5690s are a beast! Would love to see that…

    • @mcf3778
      @mcf3778 ปีที่แล้ว

      i can put 2 of those in my z800 that has 2 x5570's but i still haven't seen a reason since it already does anything i need it to do

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว

      Westmere were "the thing" for enthusiast for some time. I mean unlocked FSB ?! Tri-channel ? OC to double its original speed ?! Too bad Intel threw all of this away in its next gen ... like "forget this has ever happened" kind of mumbo jumbo. And it all happened because of Apple's request ... like a weird marriage that ends and everyone looses with it. Oh well ...
      I have 4 westmere cpus lying around ... one of those is a X5690 :)

  • @tomekm8549
    @tomekm8549 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the new perspective with the camera and the change of the focus while their dialogue

  • @RowanNight
    @RowanNight ปีที่แล้ว

    the framing in this video having tanner in the background bouncing linus ideas honestly made me think it was a scripted episode of a long running sitcom, i loved it XD

  • @Petch85
    @Petch85 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    We can always relay on LTT to bring us useful tips and tricks to improve our gaming experience.🤣

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The irony is laughable, sure. But what is more important is the attitude towards testing old hardware and pushing it to its limits. SO F.... COOL !!! You can laugh at that but I can laugh at your own ignorance. 🤣
      ... and it's written rely, btw 🤣

    • @Petch85
      @Petch85 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrCroky123 👍

  • @ABaumstumpf
    @ABaumstumpf ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nehalem... I rocked mine for 8 years but the games i liked to play were often limited to just 2 threads - so 50% cpu utilisation on my i5 yet still CPU limited.
    SandyBridge was a big jump (like 30% faster) and would still be useable as even the i7 2600K is still used by people.

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nothing beats Westmere. Even newer gens didn't have what made Westmere great: 3 channel memory, unlocked FSB and tons of OC potential.

    • @ABaumstumpf
      @ABaumstumpf ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrCroky123 "Nothing beats Westmere."
      on the highend sure. But on Desktop it was a step back - only 2 cores instead of the previous 4 for the i5 lineup. thankfully for westmere there were many games that were still singlethreaded back them - so still very good for gaming.

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ABaumstumpf , you're absolutely right about that. Desktop versions lack so much ...

  • @stoneylonely6416
    @stoneylonely6416 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Linus is always such a joyful kid for this stuff and i love it

  • @tomb3782
    @tomb3782 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can already hear the ghost of Wendle's past saying "Have you tried Linux yet?"

  • @catalystguitarguy
    @catalystguitarguy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That Xserve configuration is about on par with my Mac Pro 3,1 from the Harpertown generation, Despite being the Nehalem gen.
    For the 2008 Mac Pro there is a way to inject emulated SSE4.2 instructions to the Xeons so you can run metal supporting Radeon cards from Polaris, Vega, and others. Not sure on the latest Navi 3 cards. But 5700xt should probably work. I know the Radeon VII works.
    Also you should be able to get at least Mojave running on that with some various patching tools and terminal commands.

    • @snikeplassken
      @snikeplassken 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      3,1 owner here. Thanks, I have to check that!

    • @catalystguitarguy
      @catalystguitarguy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@snikeplassken it wasn’t exactly easy to do, but digging thru some forums, a little help from dosdude1 tools, and some time I got it done.
      I did that back in 2019 maybe 2020. There are probably easier ways than what I did by now.

  • @knopfmarkler
    @knopfmarkler ปีที่แล้ว +22

    LTT videos on Apple are always interesting

    • @CarrotFarmer
      @CarrotFarmer ปีที่แล้ว

      May i introduce to you... Mac Adress?

    • @leoplays550
      @leoplays550 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@CarrotFarmerL pfp

    • @Scnottaken
      @Scnottaken ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@leoplays550yours is literally an L

  • @catgirljune7837
    @catgirljune7837 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this is so much more chaotic than i expected

  • @kaimemes
    @kaimemes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:44 Linus' guttural reaction of joy when some piece of tech actually works here is so relatable ahahah

  • @MrAgentTweak
    @MrAgentTweak ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Regarding the Ram issue , 1366 servers Tend to only allow Dual channel when using quad rank memory .
    So you will need to leave a channel open per bank ... :) have the same issue .

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kudos for the knowledge !

  • @stefannilsson2406
    @stefannilsson2406 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have a HP workstation with 2 x5570 xeons from the same generation. Unlike that Mac server it's going to stay out of a landfill because it runs windows 10 and it will soon be running linux. :)

    • @Pasi123
      @Pasi123 ปีที่แล้ว

      HP Z600 or Z800? My first modern gaming capable system was a HP Z400 in 2013

    • @stefannilsson2406
      @stefannilsson2406 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pasi123 it's a Z600 :) I tried installing a couple more modern x5650's in it but they didn't work. Got it to boot once or twice, but it didn't like them. It would boot fine with just 1 of them installed though.
      Found out that HP made 2 versions of the motherboard and I had the first and older version. The 32 nm cpu's were only supported on the second version.

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว

      Incredible hardware ! Regarding the x5650 ... man, I think you also had to be sure they were matched cpu's. Otherwise ...

    • @stefannilsson2406
      @stefannilsson2406 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrCroky123 Yes, you need 2 of the same cpu. So you need 2 x5650 cpu's. But as long as they are both the same model, serial number or anything else shouldn't matter.

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stefannilsson2406 , ... and stepping as well. Don't forget about that.

  • @branscombe_
    @branscombe_ ปีที่แล้ว

    ive been watching linus since 2008 and can say multiple times per month I can watch the full 20+ min video because it's unique, fun and still fresh after all these years.
    bravo Linus.
    thanks,
    jb

  • @paytonbostwick2899
    @paytonbostwick2899 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the portal screen tearing issue is a fairly universal issue on non-windows pc platforms. i think its an issue with dxvk, but i believe that issue was at least improved on linux.

  • @the48thronin97
    @the48thronin97 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The "ram issue" is due to these computers (and mac pros) being extremely picky about what slots the RAM is in. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to it, but you have to move them ram around at random, as long as it's still in the "optimal configuration" you'll still get full performance. It doesn't seem like it should work like that, but it does. Dell R710s are like that as well, in my experience. For what it's worth, using linux on mac hardware (while usually kinda difficult to install) is as good as it is on any other computer, and will extend the life of the hardware quite a lot. Dual booting macs is pretty common among the "weird people that use 10 year old pro-grade hardware" community.

    • @chris091090
      @chris091090 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can macs cope with non-binary memory configs? Though this might be a mobo or chipset thing, only a term I came across recently.

  • @casvandijk03
    @casvandijk03 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’m really curious about the new macOS as to what extent devs will port games to it using the new tool… It could actually get people to move over to MacOS who wanted to but didn’t do so because of the limitations in gaming

  • @TechX1320
    @TechX1320 ปีที่แล้ว

    The company I work for has one of these servers in the storage room. Last week out of curiosity, I got a UEFI modified version of Windows 11 installer to launch on it. GhostSpectre specifically, and hirens boot CD. I was able to install Windows to the internal SSD, and the only thing that got confusing, was when it started to update the drivers, it's suddenly went to a black screen and never showed picture. With newer intel drivers, it wouldn't do any display output. I was curious about doing an external GPU just like this, but we didn't have one

  • @GroveGalaxy
    @GroveGalaxy ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow thr camera angles and shots are looking good.. pretty cool switch up guys

  • @AxR558
    @AxR558 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    It's nuts that my 70 year old dad is currently using one of the last gen of intel mac minis with an AMD GPU for flight sim over firewire. To be honest, it works surprisingly well

  • @CarlosBunn
    @CarlosBunn ปีที่แล้ว +8

    For all that Linus complains about closed systems and right to repair, I find it annoying when he says that when Steams stops supporting that platform, you can't game anymore.
    THERE ISN'T ONLY STEAM. Gog does a great job, DRM free, has mac games, and gives you the game files, launcher not needed, meaning even if it goes under, you can still get the games to load on you system if they were once compatible

  • @roboto420
    @roboto420 ปีที่แล้ว

    This troubleshooting video was Mactastic!

  • @matthewpalmer9820
    @matthewpalmer9820 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Westmere platforms, like that mac, typically need really specific 16gb ecc dimms. My living room pc, a dual x5680 setup, has 96gb of ram in it. The X8DTL-IF motherboard only had 2 16gb dimms on their QVL.

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam ปีที่แล้ว +23

    0:32 so glad Linus holds it with both hands, who knows what tragedy could've happened if he held it with one hand

  • @Safaid862
    @Safaid862 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What a wonderful gaming experience

    • @ToneyCrimson
      @ToneyCrimson ปีที่แล้ว

      The apple gaming experience in a nutshell.

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToneyCrimson ,
      "We chase misprinted lies
      We face the path of time
      And yet I fight, and yet I fight
      This battle all alone
      No one to cry to
      No place to call home"
      Nutshell AIC
      Suits like a glove ...

  • @spaceman4782
    @spaceman4782 ปีที่แล้ว

    The amount of preparedness Linus showed in this video is exactly the amount I would expect from someone as busy as him! 🤣

  • @ryzenseven793
    @ryzenseven793 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:55 Its nice to see Canadians having a picture of Washington DC's Tidal Basin cherry blossoms.

  • @Timotej_Senk
    @Timotej_Senk ปีที่แล้ว +111

    MAC S E R V E R GAMING MIGHT BECOME A THING AFTER THIS

    • @clipsedrag13
      @clipsedrag13 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Someone needs explain latency on cloud gaming to me. I'm using optical switches just to give me the best possible response times and I'm supposed to believe cloud/server gaming could ever be competitive?

    • @broccoloodle
      @broccoloodle ปีที่แล้ว +5

      From technical / economical perspective, no. Keep dreaming apple sheep

    • @Timotej_Senk
      @Timotej_Senk ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @khanhnguyenngoc2202 I don't use apple products often, my main phone is android and my laptop is windows/linux dual boot

    • @alinob2965
      @alinob2965 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@clipsedrag13​ The bulk of the latency on cloud gaming, to my knowledge, is caused by your network connection. Even if you have ultra low-latency peripherals, you still will have a couple ms extra latency on cloud gaming as compared to local gaming. This is because cloud games are rendered and encoded on a server rather than on your PC, thus necessitating an upload before and download after the render. Please reply if you have any further questions.

    • @Timotej_Senk
      @Timotej_Senk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@achannelhasnoname5182 Yes several

  • @KaiserGamy
    @KaiserGamy ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Linus: "I have an idea"
    GPU: *falls over*
    Linus: "That wasn't the idea"
    I'm not sure if I believe you there, techy man :D

  • @marcelomafra
    @marcelomafra ปีที่แล้ว

    It's probably what you guys were looking for, but, rEFInd may help there. It's not a full BootCamp replacement because it doesn't do driver installation, but helped me a lot when I had a Macmini "ages" ago (multi-booting with Windows and Linux). And a very good tool for the flash drive is Ventoy.

  • @MaximumBGGT
    @MaximumBGGT 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember having that same mouse bug trying to play Portal-2 on mac for the first time and giving up lol.

  • @msparksster10
    @msparksster10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the only thing that might convince me to get a mac. lol

  • @TechDunk
    @TechDunk ปีที่แล้ว +18

    2:19
    Yes Linus, going from 1GB to 16GB per stick is over a 15 times improvement. 16 times to do the math

    • @PowerPuffBhoy
      @PowerPuffBhoy ปีที่แล้ว

      16-1=15 so 15 times

    • @Mais46
      @Mais46 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@PowerPuffBhoy 16 time means multiplication. But 16 > 15 so Linus was technically not wrong.

    • @HarshSingh-yy4rm
      @HarshSingh-yy4rm ปีที่แล้ว

      Dumb
      Before there were 6gb ram
      And after 96gb
      If you've studied high school
      This means 15 times more ram 😅

    • @TechDunk
      @TechDunk ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a 1500% increase, but 16 times the amount of ram.
      Just like if you add a second 8GB stick next to another 8GB stick, you have a 100% increase, but twice the amount of ram

    • @Mais46
      @Mais46 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HarshSingh-yy4rm 15 times more ram, but 16 times the starting ram, which is more common if you talk about bigger improvements.
      For example if you go from a 1 GHz CPU to a 2 GHz CPU you would normally (if you want to "impress" someone) not say this has 1 GHz more speed but it has double the speed which is the same as 2 times the speed.

  • @wnohr77
    @wnohr77 ปีที่แล้ว

    once again a really good linus drop tips video

  • @Real_MisterSir
    @Real_MisterSir ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember I used to run Win7 in Parallels on my old 2011 Macbook Pro - I wonder if that could be a way to emulate Windows on your Mac system while still operating in the confinements of Mac OS instead of a dedicated partition? I swapped to full partition myself eventually, but for at least half a year or so Parallels did the job pretty well, disregarding some of the performance penalty ofc.

  • @leoplays550
    @leoplays550 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hello

    • @3k.in4k
      @3k.in4k ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro you are sooooo cool 😎 👌 👍 👏 😄

    • @qbcd
      @qbcd ปีที่แล้ว

      congrats on being first

    • @leoplays550
      @leoplays550 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you

    • @leoplays550
      @leoplays550 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@qbcdthanks

    • @3k.in4k
      @3k.in4k ปีที่แล้ว

      @@leoplays550 YW

  • @rasmusrasmussen9415
    @rasmusrasmussen9415 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very nice thumpnail once again

  • @godbeforeme
    @godbeforeme ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My church actually got the last 5k 27” iMac which was the last Mac to have user upgradable RAM. We’re running at 96 GB too.

  • @jarrodschimanski3849
    @jarrodschimanski3849 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how he said ghost of tim cook I wonder if he meant Steve Jobs @4:40

  • @tybracadabra6321
    @tybracadabra6321 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Honestly you would’ve had a lot better luck with a Mac Pro 4,1
    Basically the same spec wise but it has support for better CPUs and more modern versions of macOS that should fix a LOT of the issues encountered, especially the boot camp issue

    • @MrCroky123
      @MrCroky123 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure, but that would be for another video ... I bet Linus would have even a better luck with newer Mac Pro's .... get it ?

  • @XTJ7
    @XTJ7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Upgrading from 1gb sticks to 16gb sticks is over 15x the capacity. Those are some class A math skills Linus :D

  • @SebastianD334
    @SebastianD334 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I actually used to game on a mac pro 3,1 until 4 years ago, it had 8 GB of DDR3 ram, dual intel xeon processors, and a GTX 950, but every time there was a software update I'd have to reinsert the older radeon HD 6870 to update the nvidia drivers, I eventually switched to a windows pc because many games weren't supported on macOS, and the few that were often moved to only 10.12 sierra and later, as that was the first version to support metal

  • @ColJonSquall1
    @ColJonSquall1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who knew we would get a special "Linus Drop Tips" episode, combined with a Mac again, lol.

  • @briannentwick260
    @briannentwick260 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok, the Govee spot ending was brilliant.

  • @AnthonyChopra
    @AnthonyChopra ปีที่แล้ว

    i remember youtube did let u Select what clip would come next
    and the creator would make two or three scenarios for the "interactive video"

  • @stevedotwav
    @stevedotwav ปีที่แล้ว

    "How many people have a Mac gaming rig with 96 gigs of RAM"
    I do. Admittedly, it was retired in January in lieu of an M1 Max MBP, but my 2012 Cheesegrater was my daily driver for years with 96gb ram, dual x5690s, and an RX580. It's still a monster mixing machine, but it's just very hot and I don't use it enough to warrant the energy cost. Plus being able to undock my "workstation" and take it with me now is pretty slick.

  • @ElderWrath
    @ElderWrath ปีที่แล้ว

    The joke about the pole was downright hilarious

  • @itstimmytam2292
    @itstimmytam2292 ปีที่แล้ว

    Restarting the video after the 1st 0.5second over and over and over again, to simulate a looping high pitched "I have" in the open words was a minute well enjoyed. now to actually watch the clip

  • @RCBound
    @RCBound ปีที่แล้ว

    6:13 the question i'm asking is how does that tag sticking out your shirt not drive you nuts!? haha

  • @wynn8518
    @wynn8518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    been doing a church summer camp the last few weeks. Me and another computer nerd have been tasked with salvaging parts of PCs to Frankenstein some old office desktops into semi competent gaming rigs. A couple weeks ago, we actually had an old Mac pro to disassemble. Think it had 8 4GB sticks of ddr3 on risers (might have been ddr2) and it had a full sized GTX 780, which was an amazing thing to randomly find in a PC randomly put upon us by a church

    • @wynn8518
      @wynn8518 ปีที่แล้ว

      We also got a "broken" HP desktop with a 10th gen i3. We were told it only displayed black and white, so we tossed a GTX 1050ti into it. That didn't solve the problem. What did solve it was turning off the color filter the user had (seemingly mistakenly) set. Now that little display of user error is our best rig we've put together in that computer lab
      We also had 2 8GB sticks of ddr4 (no clue where they were from, they were just kinda there, all of the other PCs were ddr2 or ddr3) so we were able to upgrade the 4GB in the desktop to a more usable 16

  • @Leonsimages
    @Leonsimages ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Linus using a riser cable instead of getting a dremel to make the GPU fit. Didn't expect that one tbh

  • @marclewism
    @marclewism ปีที่แล้ว

    Server rhymes with Sponsor🤣
    got me every time

  • @scottp5315
    @scottp5315 ปีที่แล้ว

    The video was posted July 2nd but the coupon for the Govee lights expire June 23rd, fail. Bummer since I was trying to buy them.

  • @cannygrowabeard
    @cannygrowabeard ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of the focus pulls are exceptional.

  • @TheAwey21
    @TheAwey21 ปีที่แล้ว

    ltt videos are getting more polished by the day and i kinda enjoy it