I Bought A 16inch MacBook Pro For Gaming...
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I bought a very expensive Macbook Pro to see if it fixes the problems I had gaming on a Macbook.
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Gaming on the Mac is honestly in the worst state I think it’s ever been. Apple finally has good hardware but their refusal to made things easy for devs means there’s hardly anything that is worth playing on it.
Because Apple want their product to rhyme with Work not Play.Those days Premium in gaming world means RGB and teenage girl in bikini, they don't want to be associate with all of that.
lmfao when was it in a better state 😂
@@micknightmare3 before 64bit macos
@@fabrb26 girls in bikinis 😑 macbook user for sure. 😂
@@micknightmare3 2012-2015
That RAM price is downright insane. They are charging 5X the price for ram.
Because Apple Sheeples will pay it.
It would be 5x if you were buying a whole 32gb set. That is literally 10x for an upgrade from 16gb.
This is why companies loooove soldering RAM to their boards...so you pay insane prices and are stuck with that config...and god help you if you have memory module fail.
I've 64GB (2x32GB) DDR4 in my gaming desktop, and another 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 in my homeserver that runs a handful VM's 24/7...
Both systems where about 1K each, or 2000 USD total without dedicated GPU. That's about the same price I would've paid Apple, for a handfull of RAM chips...
I just couldn’t get myself to pay it. It’s complete madness.
"It's a diagram of what the two ports on the laptop do" made me laugh way more than it should have.
I was about to type the same thing 😂
bruh this laptop literally has an SD slot a dedicated full size HDMI a dedicated charge port AND 3 ports of direct access to PCIE lanes, I don't know what else you could ask for besides dedicated ethernet??
same!
@@edenem By Apple standards it’s great. But you still need a dongle to plug any peripherals into it.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff DONGLES FOR DAYZ!
The reason they force the ram upgrade is because the M2 max is literally a doubled up M2 pro, which has a minimum ram amount on chip of 16GB. That they make you pay that much for it though is an outrage.
worst part is the M2 max is literally comparable to a 12700k in terms of specs(obviously better gpu but cmon)
It’s fair that it needs more memory, that price is just WILD. 😅
The issue to me is that they say that you can swap the CPU for $250 but you actually cannot. There has to be a better way to show the pricing since it wouldn’t be obvious to a lot of people why they added $250 but the price went up $750.
@@shawnrhode that's the point. Scam people out of more money unknowingly 😀
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I mean, there's a $600 difference between 4070 and 4080 laptops, too.
The amount of shade thrown at Apple by Dawid is enough to send the earth into an eternal winter 😂
He has a heavy negative bias towards Apple with their Macs. They aren’t meant to play games on. It’s to work on.
@@zaynsanchez4889 But they said they support gamers...
He hasn't figured out that he doesn't have to buy Apple products. Let's keep it a secret so Apple continues to be the most valuable corporation in the world.
@@burrfoottopknot It's like I drive a Honda but I don't feel the need to make fun of people who drive Fords. Same thing. You never have to buy Apple products and making fun of people who do won't make you a better person.
@@burrfoottopknot Is it though? His arguments are presented in a mocking, joking way but these are the exact same arguments about Macs I've been hearing for 25 years. Put another way, if he was making jokes about people of color would that mean he was not prejudiced against them?
Gaming on a Mac died with the Intel line. Apple doesn’t want people to really really game unless it’s on a mobile device. Further than that they don’t care.
I disagree ... Apple is in the process of re-building its user base with machines that have acceptable gaming specs. It's already happening ... Even though I have several M1 macs including an M1 Air with the most mind-blowing battery life ... I just bought a new gaming PC. I'm not waiting around for it ...
Yeah gaming under macOS has been quite a joke, especially after they dropped OpenGL and 32bit app support after Mojave. Want to play games such as HL2, TF2 or any other older games you probably can't due to Apple's dumb idea to remove basic functionality. At least on intel macs you could switch the OS out for Windows or Linux but currently on Mx hardware you seem kinda screwed...
watch them buy the XBOX brand if Microsoft is denied the Activision merge
Meh, I'd rather have system stability and efficiency over gaming pedigree.
@@YearsOfLeadPoisoning _"Meh, I'd rather have system stability and efficiency over gaming pedigree."_
- My Proxmox homeserver runs a bunch of VM's 24/7, with about one yearly reboot for maintenance and cleaning.
- My gaming deskop has a Linux and Windows dual-boot setup. I usually put Linux to sleep, only rebooting my system once every 14 days when I want to play a Windows game.
Both systems show zero stability issues, making your point invalid. It's usually the Apple user who just lacks computer knowledge, destroying their own setup in the process of using it. An Apple device is a bit like a Fisher Price toy, where the manufacturer protects the user from bricking it...
I really apreciate the attention to audio in your videos just a treat to listen to
Dawid’s video are always great for a laugh. He definitely has his own space in the tech channels. Grateful that Timmy joe recommended his channel before he stopped making videos.
I’d like to see dawid do videos on local pc for sale and give us his thoughts.
I miss Timmy-Joe 😢 😪
more Anna too please !
With scum like Linus, we need more Dawids in the world.
Thanks for the nice comment! I’ve been looking at some Craigslist stuff to buy. Will try get some videos up about that relatively soon.
What happened to Timmy? No wonder I've no longer seen his video.
" The motion rendering of an Etcha-Sketch " - This is why I watch your channel ;) Good Times Brother
Dawid i always enjoy watching your videos, you're a very cool lad.
The music you used for your video is so so good. I could feel the stereo on that spatial audio level
Even old games that once worked on Macs (Fortnite used to work, Rocket League was still supported, old titles like Bus Driver which are 32 bit used to run just fine etc.) no longer work
If im paying 3000 for a computer/laptop i want it to be able to do everything including gaming and VR. I would never buy any apple laptop or desktop for that very reason. Ridiculously overpriced for what you are actually getting
Dude! I've got news for you - you don't have to buy Apple. IKR?
@@montex66dude stop … you can’t just dictate life of people .. fanboi
I know but something about the quality makes me want to pick up an older used model in good condition. But new never
@@matthewrichardson2533 They can also be found on sale after a couple of months if you are in the US at Best Buy and Costco
As many videos as I see, as soon as I see one from Dawid I stop what I'm doing and watch it for pure entertainment. Do you ever do flight sims? Would be nice to include MSFS 2020 in your benchmark gaming. That is a very hardware demanding game but I love it.
As a PC user thinking to switch to macbook with all my fav games, this video opened my eyes :D
Thanks
1:18 I love his choice of words, Classic Dawid😂
Funny and honest review of the experience of gaming on a Mac, couldn't agree more with all the good and bad things you point out.
Personally went from windows, to Mac, and going back to windows for the gaming. Gonna miss the speaker quality and great thermals though for sure
Idk how windows laptop manufacturers haven't been able to design great speakers yet. Apple has been the king in that regard for quite a while now.
They do manage to copy all the bad things about apple like soldered memory and storage.
Why not copy the speakers too 😒
For years, I used to buy beastly Macs, in order to be able to game on them. Finally wised up and bought a Windows machine just for gaming. Now I have vastly more titles, performing better... and the whole machine was built with money I saved by ceasing to buy top of the range Apple laptops. (I only need a Macbook Air, now.)
man i love your videos. keep it up
I hope you returned it . I work on mac-books most days and the best i can say is they are beautiful looking Ipads with keyboards
Gaming on a Mac is like biking without a seat, ouch ! 🤣🤣
Furthermore, pressing forward with gaming on a Macbook is like replacing that bike seat with a raw, unprepped artichoke.
Good thing Apple isn't the most valuable corporation in the world, right?
No, it's more like trying to use an espresso machine to make orange juice, of course it will not work. Say it probably can give you some orange water thing, but you really shouldn't expect anything anyways.
@@MIO9_sh It's a clumsy metaphor but I'm happy that you agree with me that Apple has a different paradigm than PCs.
Or wheels, or handle bars
always a pleasure watching Your videos. Thank You Sir!
The Xbox controller issue is actually a Microsoft problem if you haven't upgraded the firmware through the Xbox One/Series X/S recently by plugging the controller into the USB port it'll have the auto disconnect issue it happens to me on Steam Deck also when my firmware is outdated.
It doesn’t happen to me on windows because it updates it
Awesome Video as always bro, funny as hell!!!
i love Dawid Does Tech Stuff it`s just FUN!
It sure is a wonderful day when Dawid uploads a video that roasts a company!!
This is the equivalent of a video roasting mcdonalds for having terrible salads.
This might be the BEST review of a MAC I've seen yet !!!! Love it so much !!!
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My Base M1 Pro 16” runs games really well. Not the main purpose but definitely enough if I’m away from my console. It plays Black Ops 3 Zombies, Civ6, Minecraft, Terraria, etc all at 90+ FPS.
I don't care if it's the best gaming experience you've ever had, I'll never, ever pay that much for a computer I can't upgrade myself.
Yeah i only got the most Basic M1 air for the battery, i game on my windows desktop and ps5
yes yes
@@PanPrezeso the M1/M2 MacBook airs are pretty good. I'd say windows Desktop and M1 MacBooks for travel/portables are the way to go
it doesnt make sense to buy a Mac for gaming purposes.
Soldered ram is going to be standard soon with the increase in ram speeds.
I didn't know the display on the laptops was so bad... It's like a TV from 10 years ago, wow.
They're also breaking the performance of games that where running through rosetta... maybe it was a bug and they'll patch it back but it's ridiculous to suddenly see bad performance on vampire survivors after an update...
What ever you're smoking could you send some my way?
Consistently the best metaphors in tech TH-cam.
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Would recommend. 😉
Awesomesauce video Dawid!
I have never been a fan of Apple. Even back in 86, in Jr High, the rest of my "Computers" class, sat in a circle using Macintosh 2s. While I was asked if I was ok with the IBM machine over on the counter. I felt like a stepchild being forced to eat at another table during a meal. We were learning BASIC, which was fine.
I admit, Apple has those Foxconn workers make the most beautiful machines. But they just aren't for me.
This was a fun watch. I love my MacBook Air and I use it lots. Just never for gaming this is why I also own a PC. I don’t think gaming on Mac will ever truly be a thing.
Cloud gaming makes it worth it Plus gforce now has an upscaling feature
ew. lol might as well just set your money on fire
You can say, "oh, gaming isn't a use case for this, Apple the display and hardware for creative professionals," but one of those main use cases is video production. It seems like having to work on video using that display would be a very tiring experience.
That's where they rope you in with the Pro Display XDR
If it’s a VA panel and not OLED then I think it will have the same issues.
I don't think you need the high refresh rate for video production. Video is just 24 frames/sec or 30 frames/sec for most applications. A 60Hz display is more than capable. Gaming is a whole different thing.
I've also used Macs for creative work (photo and video editing) for almost 20 years and Apple displays have been the easiest on my eyes. If there is one thing they have always gotten right, it is that their displays don't strain your eyes over extended use.
@@yega3k i'm sorry but with that level of smearing, that monitor looks like it has insufficient motion response for 30hz. looks preeeetty bad. also, most content nowadays that a normal person would make (youtube videos and sht) is 60hz.
@@GraveUypo Have you used Apple displays yourself or are you just making your argument based on a TH-cam video? Drama and exaggeration are a TH-camr’s bread and butter. I would take whatever they say with a pinch of salt.
I loved how the captions interpreted "crown" as "crap" at the start. xD
I'm also very triggered that you didn't update the OS before playing with this thing. 😲
I use GFN & Steam Link for gaming from my Macbook - trying to find decent games that ruin natively on it (all other issues aside) is not fun. Strangely, I have the same controller issue you experienced except mines a bluetoothed Stadia controller. But it does the connect/disconnect thing over bluetooth (and takes my mouse and keyboard with it half the time, too). In the end, I grabbed a long USB cable for connecting my controller
The only game I could comfortably play on my macbook was the DosBox "XCOM: UFO Defense" of 1994. Since then, I use my macbook exclusively for work, and I have a separate windows PC for gaming. I feel like this is the most comfortable solution for me at this time.
But why though when you can just get a Windows machine for both work and gaming? There's nothing that Mac can do that Windows can't, other than using FCP maybe, but even that Premiere or Resolve that can do what FCP can, even better I would argue.
@@kenhew4641 that is true, but also kinda false. Yes, Windows PC can do what mac does, but it is really inconvenient. If you ever run a docker project that is a bit more complicated than the tutorial app, you know how Windows is different from Unix-like OS in a lot of ways. There are two other main things I'd like to mention:
- macbooks have always been exceptionally good at energy efficiency, it does not even spin its fans most of the time and remains cool to touch, while windows laptops (those suitable for both gaming and work anyway) are crazy hot (I'm writing this on Asus Zephyrus and the keyboard is hot even though there is only browser running) which is unpleasant for my hands, and they eat their batteries before you could spell "uncontemplated blackout".
- it is too much hassle for me to separate work from games. Like, you know, viruses and trojans always lurking around the gaming PCs. Additionally, if my mac fails at some point, with another PC at hand I can be up again in hours instead of spending a week to find and purchase the new one and get it delivered.
@@atomotron I guess those are valid points, but like most people I don't have the luxury of money to afford 2 notebooks one for work and one for gaming...I had to make an informed decision and decided to go for a Windows machine. The MacBooks sure are nice, but they're more of luxury and convenience (battery life so you don't have to have wires dangling all the time, beautiful screen and good speakers to enjoy media consumption) but for a premium price. Still, I have to go for Windows because gaming is a huge part of my usage on a computer
@@kenhew4641 yep I had to stretch it a bit, but my priorities were different from the start. I needed a macbook to work comfortably, and THEN I wanted to play games too. So after trying to run games on macbook, and then suffering iPad games for a couple of months, I decided to get a windows laptop as an addition and a backup. So far, I don't regret it, but the difference between the PC and mac is really visible for me. Like, when you need TWO hands to lower the screen brightness, because it can't do it automatically and the two buttons you need to press are at the opposite sides of the keyboard. Or like you need an external keyboard because the integrated keyboard is freaking hot all the time (I should purchase Zephyrus Duo next time, just for the keyboard to be at cooler place on the chassis).
"I dont mind apple treating gaming like a suspicious package at the airport, because the idea of apple buying gaming publishers sounds like purgatory"
lol
the suspicious package was another dawid classic analogy
keep going bro
ProMotion does not give 120 all the time. Also I think the new apple tv OS has a game mode where it polls the controller more often for better input, not sure if new Macos will have that. Got the M1 16 inch for 1K off in Canada so am happy so far. Great info in general.
This happens in a lot of Mac hater videos. They don’t really know what features mean and just assume it works like windows laptops. Surface pro now do variable refresh rate too so maybe it’ll be more normalized soon.
"It really grabs you by the crouch" nice.
I vowed to never use an Apple product for a very silly reason but I have still stuck with it for over 26 years. A Mac ticked me off in a computer lab in college by not ejecting my floppy disk. That whole thing was such a bad design that I refused to ever buy an Apple product ever. Petty I know, but I also work in IT and Apple products are the bane of my existence there as well.
Ejecting the floppy by dragging the floppy drive icon to the trash can was quite counter-intuitive indeed.
This isn't very petty at all, their products are infamous for being anti-DIY.
I took my own vow of abstinence from Apple, but for a different reason.
In 2008, when the company i worked for was sold, the outgoing CEO gave every employee an ipod nano with a farewell message preinstalled. A very nice gift. However, as soon as I tried to install music on it, I realized I couldn't just drag music from my pc's folders to ipod and had to use itunes. My utter hate for the way itunes worked led me to adopt a simple policy of never buying an Apple product.
Silly indeed
Good choice! Same anti-Apple here! A greedy, anti-repair company with overpriced items.
It's honestly funny to think that Bungie used to develop exclusive for the Mac back in the day, when seeing the state of gaming in some MacBook reviews.
The thing about pro-res is that your system is constantly looking to see what you're doing so if you're just rolling around in the main desktop, it's not going to run it at any high refresh rate, even if you force it too. Also, if you have optimized battery power turned on, you will not get any sort of good performance, because the system is trying to lower the amount of power given to your GPU in order to allow the batteries last more than three hours.
Lifelong PC/Windows user, got a brand-new M1 Macbook Air a couple of years ago for developing iOS apps, and kinda fell in love with it, it helped that it was priced so competitively. The overall quality is just so much better than most PC laptops, the screen is just lovely to look at, speakers you can actually hear, and with not much distortion, and most importantly, the insane battery life! I really tried to switch it to be my daily driver, but the 8GM RAM base model that I got was just not able to run all the haevy-duty apps that I need... Only ever gamed on it through the Steam remote play system, though :D
The heavy duty apps that a PC user runs are called games
Ur not developing @#$& on 8 gigs on ram my dude.
@@enzy6434 I do mostly web stuff with visual studio code, that works fine. But when I need to work on Android Studio and Photoshop for an app, then game over :D
lol thats funny cause photoshop (which already sucks a$$ lol) is one of the FEW things people can even say crapple can run well and it cant even do that apparently lmfao
Well, MacBooks never really worked as a gaming laptop, it is fine for other work related tasks, but for gaming I always go with the Razer Blade laptops. The new Razer Blade 16 is just awesome! Oh, and it isn’t a raging banshee anymore.
Some one gets it. But Any laptop is not perfect for alot gaming. u should get a Desktop Pc for Gaming. Gaming laptops are made for Lan Parties and Gaming OTG. but if u run ur Gaming Laptop all the time it will get Electronic component Failure Very fast. Mostly VRMs Mosfets related
If a laptop is good for gaming it will be usually good for other things whats the point of mac
@@BEYOND-EGO macs are for Multimedia Industry mostly or why u think they heavily advertise video editing capabilities
Razer blades are poor quality, god forbid you have to deal with tech support - and enjoy the battery swelling
My macbook 15 is better than my razer 15 lol
Might be worth mentioning the pro motion refresh rate is either reduced or off when on battery power unless you take it off power saving mode; which is the default when not plugged in.
no way i actually was thinking of getting this AIO cooler like a few hours ago xD
it's a macbook ser
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I use old MacBooks for retro gaming and it works fine running windows XP or 7 on something like a 2008-2012 unibody MacBook. I haven’t tried FPS games but for Need For Speed Underground it works fine. The build quality is great. Got a 17 inch 2009 Mac that almost looks like new. The 9600M GT is powerful enough for XP era gaming. For new games I prefer PC though.
Using 2011 unibody 13'' A1278 macbook pro, with linux and depise having 800p screen it can stream upto 1440p60 on yt. Though its full of non stardand parts making it really dificult to repair such as battery circuiometry :p.
@@asunavk69 the 17 inch has 1920x1200 which makes it a very nice screen. The 13 inch is more common though. The battery in mine is almost like new just 57 cycles and they are rated for 1000 cycles. Most laptops use non standard parts but so far I haven’t had to replace anything. My stepdad have used a 2011 13 inch MacBook Pro since it was new and he still likes it. I got my mom a 2012 model a couple of years ago that she really likes upgrades with a big SSD and 16GB of RAM and a new battery it becomes almost like a new computer. Windows laptops usually have a build quality that is terrible. My 2012 windows laptop got destroyed years ago. Macs seem to last a very long time.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 Most laptop parts are replaceable and many older ones can be harvested from parts only ebay listings very cheaply (if you're not afraid of micro soldering heh.) We used to to it all the time when I was kid and working at the local pc repair place. However Apple has always been really cagey about providing parts even to ASPs. Things they used to let ASPs fix they won't provide parts for any more and you are forced to ship it to them. Apple has only been getting worse about this kind of stuff over time, despite their lip service to right to repair.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 the statement about windows laptops ain't that true margin will vary manufacturer per manufacturer(lenovo/dell/asus) do have some great build quality, that is if you are up to pay for the price were it can touch mac territory.
Do not get me wrong engeneering on macs ain't bs like too, their design are both pretty as much as funtional though not perfect and i can tell from experience, and knowing louis rossman, which there is no deny he knows what he does and talks.
But yeah to give you an example the 13" i have is really nice for coding take in the go, for the porpouse, its ahead of the time.
@@asunavk69 There are some with good build quality these days it is true but for older windows laptops most of them are very bad. I’ve not seen any used ones for sale looking very good after 10 years. New gaming laptops often are very plasticky as well. There are some aluminium windows laptops in the last few years that seem very good though. It could also be that people take care of macs better or the fact that they hold up in value means they are not thrown away to the same extent which could also account for why there are so many decade old MacBooks in great shape.
Gaming on Macbook is great if you want early balding. So many trial and error hoops to jump through with Rosetta 2, Crossover, Parallels, Porting Kit, etc. and it'll likely still won't run or run poorly.
Subbed for the soundtrack 😎
I swear, I just watched Apple Salesman Dawid charge regular Dawid $1200 for a Samsung Neural SSD for the Last MacBook gaming attempt.
Make sure you’ve disabled low power mode in power settings, which makes the display act like that. It’s easy to miss.
Mine would have the ghosting even when plugged in high power mode...
@@MacA60230 then you should take it to the apple store
@@bjrnsrensen8456 I did, and they told me the unit was not defective that's just how the display looks. I returned it on the spot. If you can't see the ghosting it's because you don't know what an actually fast display looks like. It's a known fact these MiniLED Macbooks have extremely high response times, reviews measured them as well.
Nah, it’s just the display… all M1 and M2, MBP and MBA have that issue. It’s just the panels they use
@@ThinkscapeVideo which perfectly explains the ghosting on the external display, right? 🙄
Dawid is on fire with these roasts LMAO!!!!
Yup. All the issues you’ve experienced are things I’ve seen on my M1 Max MacBook Pro, and it’s so stupid because I have the thing anyway for DJing! I’m heavily resistant to getting a second personal laptop when I spent $3,500 U.S. on this MacBook, and it works so well for non-gaming tasks, but I’m sick of working for my computer. Apple’s whole brand is built on you not having to work for it, but with gaming, it slows you down at every turn. Thank God I have the basic competency to build a gaming PC for home, and my vision isn’t good enough to game on a 16” display nearly as well. That combination has me less hungry for MacBook gaming. However, if I get an AR/VR device, it will be right back on the table again, and I’ll be considering grabbing an old Surface Laptop to use with GeForce Now and an Xbox controller because it will freaking work. Hey, maybe a Surface Pro with 5G…
that neutral clean is what I refer to as a rich daddy and his step daughter's earned laptop
Haha amen
The Metal api is going to be an issue for most developers. Few will want to spend the money to do a separate port. If Apple had supported Vulkan the Mac could be great for gaming. That said I still play games on Steam and Apple Arcade. It is a limited set of games but I can at least do some minor gaming in my M1 Pro.
Apple won't support Vulkan until they can find a way to reliably monetize that support.
@Does It Game?! Very true. Supporting Vulkan would mean Mac users could buy games through Steam with no profit for Apple. With Metal they can force games to be sold on their app store to get their 30% cut. Apple makes a ton of money on games sold through the App store and has no incentive to support outside services.
@@doesitgame they don't monetize metal support? they're actually losing money on since an entire industry is being hindered from growing on their platform, the only reason Apple hasn't added vulkan support is due to their mindset of "vertical integration over industry standards" for lack of a better word.
@@doesitgame i literally argued that bro?
Barely anything even supports Vulkan since it also means a complete re-write over using DX, so it wouldn’t even make a difference.
you can also try something called crossover, i used it to run gta online and rocket league decently on my m1 macbook air (until it got hot)
Hope you try this again but with Crossover/ Game Porting Tool kit, or even in Linux!
I’ve never understood such a strong appeal to the aesthetics of a grey box 🤷♂️ lol
The grey box is supposed to be a blank slate so you can customize it however you wished, whether that be stickers, skins, or whatever someone comes up with. Macbooks in colleges are known to be stickerbombs for this reason. One of the popular customizations is a Simpsons skin of Homer grabbing the Apple logo with a chewing face
I love playing RuneScape on my M1 Mac 😅 I really wish they’d expand the capabilities of the Mac with options like external GPUs
Also despite being a lifelong PC user/gamer there’s nothing quite as satisfying as working on a Mac
@@RuneDest I disagree. The most satisfying experience I've had working was with 2 monitors attached to the wall from my couch. The comfort and lack of barriers for anything was just perfect. I mean I didn't even have to move my head, I just shifted my eyes from place to place with a wireless keyboard and mouse on a tray in my lap. The only issue I had was that I started gaining weight. Conveniently that setup cost about the same as a single $2500 Mac laptop, including the couch.
@@RuneDest True
Gotta love how Apple and Microsoft have those cool tear tabs to open their stuff.
DeepCool have great laptop coolers, see if you can get some in for a vid. I use the DeepCool N1 when gaming on my Dell XPS15.
Also wanna see Macbook Pro vs Dell XPS notebook gaming deathmatch.
i've always complained to my friends that somehow on macs things just feel slower. i wasn't sure if it was because of the animation or maybe it's just the environment but watching this video highlighted that it was input lag that i was feeling. finally i know i wasn't just prejudiced against macbooks but it's a real thing!
And you still don't have to buy a Mac! Neat!
The reason 60hz felt the same as "120hz" in your case is probably the fact that you ran on battery (as can be seen in on 5:02) and there is a battery saving option that caps the refresh rate on 60hz. That's even more believable if you consider the fact that there is no "120hz" option, there is "ProMotion".
Ya when he first turned it on and the he showed plugging it in then complained about the screen with it clearly unplugged 😂 the entire time! The plug is right there next to it
No there's not? There is no performance difference plugged in vs on battery with the MacBooks at all.
@@breaddough-vk8gfThat comment is straight up misinformation.
@@UmmbruuhI thought Apple can perform just as well on on battery
Back in the day I used to get the 15” MacBook pros for the dedicated gpus and run boot camp for my on the go pc gaming needs. With apple silicon I just ended up getting a windows laptop, and a smaller MacBook. So sadly now I have to carry 2 laptops if I want both but it works out ok.
DAWID!!! would you ever do a TOP 2023 MATX cases! I LOVE MATX BUILDS!!!
I mean if you want to play some ipad games on a mac just get a mac mini and a rear plugged multi fingers trackpad, that will do. So you save money and choose the screen you want knowing that whatever happen the the best you could even play at a decent level will be WOW or some other potato ready games that got an Apple chip native version.
I used to game on a MacBook Air from 2017, but that was an improvement from the HP laptop that I had before.
I only really played Minecraft.
I went back to Windows about two years ago when I got a desktop PC. Huge amounts of improvement.
Yeah, these forced reboots after an update is such an improvement. And having your laptop wake up in your bag is such a blast. I really like Microsoft, I've never felt being in such control of my hardware before.
@@mutablelambda it's ironic that you as someone who buys rental hardware would say that. you don't even own your mac. not that windows is good, i fkn hate it too and i wish someone made something better, it's just your angle is literally the worst possible.
@@GraveUypo If you think I'm happy with Apple you're wrong. I cannot find a replacement for my 2015 MBP, their lineup before 2020 had the worst keyboards possible, in 2020 they fixed the keyboards, but screwed up the screens (I'm sensitive to PWM). I was hoping M2 Air will be a great device, but while it has the same form factor as my 2015 MBP, it has almost zero ports, shitty speakers and the screen is all jelly (plus mine arrived with a dark stripe in the dock area, so I had to return it). 14" MBP is a great device, but it's a bit heavy for 2023 (and even heavier than 2015 MBP) and PWM gives me eye strain. I'm half thinking to wait until Zen 4 5nm mobile chips drop and make linux my carry-on computer (I have plenty of other hardware for gaming)
@@mutablelambda intel modern standby, not microsofts problem, if you are confused search it up, basically intel did a really bad job at implementing fast wakeup in windows laptops, so it often would turn on the device and run it at full power to do updates and run apps, as it would not interupt any processes in the computer and effectively makes putting your device in "sleep" mode do nothing. Ive even seen this problem first hand in my brothers laptop which uses an intel processor, in my own windows laptop that uses an AMD processor ive never had that problem.
Minecraft survival is very fun on the m2 pro macbook pros, i played for like 7hours and still had 15% battery left and it didnt even really get hot
I don’t know guys, I play WoW on my M1 Max 32 gb and to me it’s the best I’ve ever seen but this is the first “high end” computer I’ve ever owned. I’m just a poor working man who happened to get a hell of a deal from a private seller who bought too many units for his sales force. Now I use it for coding and photo/video editing so I don’t use it just as a gaming rig, that would be a total waste of hardware but I absolutely love this thing. I’m very happy with this rig and I consider myself very lucky to be able to get it as I have basically migrated all my other electronics to Apple hardware because it just works! And if I need help with anything that has to do with hardware and software I can always get help from Tech support without paying anything unless it’s obviously broken electronics. Now I don’t need anyone telling me that I’m foolish for owning Apple products or that they are bad because everyone has their own opinions, I’m just a old mech/electrician tech and I know good product when I see and work with it. I used to be a Samsung guy and still appreciate their hardware but I had too many problems with them around the note 7 days and finally moved over to Apple. I always had IPads, no one was ever able to make a tablet better than Apple, and the operating systems are easier to work with too. Thanks for reading
Thanks for the warning about gaming on Apple! They should put "free Vaseline screen preinstalled!" on the box. I'll continue sticking with Windows in that case. Fun video as always Dawid!
Wouldn't suggest switching to apple any time soon that's for sure...
windows is really so much better. 3100$ laptop and cant even run games and need to pay 500$ for 16gb of ram
@@SmitePlayz_ plenty of windows laptops with the same price issues and inability to fix
@@bradhaines3142 na maybe some are also not so easy to fix but you actually get your money's worth 99 percent of the time. And even if that was the case windows laptops give you windows, not crappy mac os. That alone would be worth it.
@@noahlestern windows is GARBAGE, im actually considering going to mac just to not have windows
I am admitting that, though I love my purchase of way too much CAD, for what it is. I read through some of the comments below and I think the pro users say that it is a work laptop and the cons say that there are better game/work laptops out there. Both camps are correct. Gaming studios can only do so much and Apple not willing to actually work on these challenges is not doing anyone any favours. Sure it's fabulous I can render my 4k footage, but how often do I do this? I can run 3D Benchmark, but is THAT what want with my hard earned money. Plus the increasing huge price differences here in Canada, this might in fact be my last MacBook, and it will last me for another few years I am sure. I game on my consoles, sure - but if I look around my man-cave I see around 7k in gear sitting here. I can only do two things at a time, at most. In 2021 I bought the Dell XPS 17 with if I remember a 3060 and it was almost the same feeling as I have with this MacBook. Overpriced and underpowered, be it that the Dell was 600 dollars cheaper, had an I9 and the upgrades to two NVMe drives and 64Gb did not break the bank still left it to be a less of a desired experience. If I wander through BestBuy on a Saturday afternoon lusting my eyes on the gaming gear or drive a bit further to CanadaComputers I see so many gaming laptops for around the 2k mark, with very high res and responsive screens. It really makes one wonder... I thought to be clever and get a SteamDeck, which again was a less than desired solution. But what if I bought a desktop machine, assemble it myself as I used to do and use that? Maybe? The current state of gaming on laptops is a disaster, it is either a jet taking off or terrible frame rates, even on a pro-motion XDR blah blah screen.
I still have my Windows laptop from college, I use it for 3D rendering and gaming. While my laptop can run games fine, and plays VR games well, the loud spinning fans and feeling the vibration can suck sometimes lol, I can still hear the fans while I wear noise blocking headphone. I'm planning on saving up for a home PC. If I didn't need a laptop for college I would've spent my money on a home PC already. But then again around that time there were GPU shortages and hard to build a home PC with inflated prices, so I guess I got my money's worth on my laptop.
Dawid, you should see the same wolfmen on max difficulty. Pure terror.
Mac gaming will improve in the near future as the hardware keeps getting better. Emulation gaming is good now. Using a program called Ryujinkx one can play Nintendo Switch games quite well.
Something I want to note right off the bat is that apples “120Hz promotion” is an adaptive version I believe the way it would be on a phone or something so presumably they wouldn’t expect sitting on desktop needs the 120hz 🤷🏼♂️ I’m guessing here.
But I do know that World of Warcraft runs beautifully on the new macs 😅… idk I would love for it to be better for gaming really. But at this point I just don’t think most developers are even attempting to put games on there 🤷🏼♂️
I mean apple is amazing for creative work loads like with photo and video editing and other graphic design 🤔. At least for me. And I had so much trouble a few years ago trying to run windows for my work projects in terms of reliability and just how horrible the windows laptops are on the go.
I got a windows PC and a laptop a few years ago for video and photo Editing and I just had such reliability issues with both and the laptop was only useful when plugged in so it was more like a mobile desktop 🤦♂️. I ended up selling the windows laptop and just keeping the desktop PC for gaming and live streaming and bought a newer Mac for my workflow stuff…. I hate the separation and needing two things but like windows is just bad for mobile things and apple is so bad at gaming and is slowly adapting OBS and streaming tech into their systems 🤷🏼♂️
Buy what ever works for you but do not buy a MacBook Pro or any Mac expecting to game on it because your going to be limited lmao. But if you want an amazing super fast video editing and rendering work horse that literally doesn’t lose any performance when not plugged in 🤔 buy a MacBook Pro 💻…. Idk it does suck being a gamer I would love it to be better for games
Also I’m not saying that the apple pro motion 120Hz is good at all I just mean they implemented it in a way like apple does everything just their own stupid way. I will also say that display things are one of my least favorite parts of Mac OS because you have pretty limited settings VS PCs ….
If I need to off load footage or do something on site at a video shoot it’s terrible trying to plug a stupid windows laptop in. That is where the Mac shines … You get full power on the go as well as being able to simply use way way less battery also. Most high end windows laptops with like good hardware are terrible with battery life so even if you could use them with performance staying the same it would kill the battery in like 2-4 hours. Sadly until windows fixed the mobility on their windows laptops and also gets the battery life in order I don’t think I will be able to swap my work laptop back from Mac … also I love the speed and ease of Final Cut Pro even tho I use Adobe for many things Final Cut Pro is so much faster for things if it’s a simple edit and I normally use Final Cut Pro for some things and then move into Adobe for other things
Good job Foxconn you build lovely laptops. Shame the Apple side lets it down.
Good news! You don't have to buy any Apple products at all.
30 mins no mana boots as skywrath while hogging the philosophers stone. Won a ranked game my ass.
Love your videos Dawid. Village is genuinly beautiful, particularly inside the castle.
i bought the 2020 mac mini m1 base model and it's not quite good for gaming though i don't get any motion blur like that i have it on a 4k 50" samsung tv i mean for watching this youtube video and doing basic computer stuff other than gaming on it.. i must say it does quite well for a office pc and its very low power device. I believe arm chips will get better once they get more known and more improved. I also think arm is the future of processors, but we are not there yet.
He really just bought the macbook for its scent. RESPECT!
Haha the most expensive perfume 😅
I’m pretty sure that the reason you’re not getting 120 hz is because 1600 nits mode is on.
I think you can get 120 hz after going back to the regular 500 nits brightness.
I noticed this issue when I was trying out my friend’s macbook
You should try some retro gaming on a PowerPC mac, that was peak mac gaming imo
Great Video, I enjoy the Apple for working but it was frustrating for gaming and of course does not support the EA games such as Madden 23. So I have also purchased the MSI Creator 16 with a 3070 and I7. Maybe someday we will be able to get it all on a single computer.
You can if you make a dual boot PC. Then you can either load the PC in Windows or Mac. People call it a hackintosh
alright big question here is why the hell you play EA
Yeah. I played Dying Light and metro exodus on my M1 MB Air, and it runs decent, but the input lag makes hard to shoot precisely and quick at the enemies
the reason why the price goes up so much is because the m2 max/m2 pro are essentially multiple m2s glued together
You're thinking of the M1 Ultra chip in the Mac Studio. There is no M2 Ultra for sale at this time..
This kind of gaming experience is kind of expected since you have basically no driver optimization for individual games and I'd say about 85% of the gaming catalogue on MacBooks comes from CrossOver and Parallels. On CrossOver you take Windows titles and translate the x86 code to ARM via Rosetta, and on top of that for DirectX games you take the API calls and translate them to Vulkan, and THEN from Vulkan to Metal via Valve's MoltenVK translation layer, of course it's not going to be the best experience.
Also it's rumored that Apple will switch to HDR OLED panels on MacBooks in 2025, I'd expect that to solve the smearing problem.
Btw they didn't brag about RE:V being great, RE:V just got released in WWDC2022. They generally brag about Shadow of the Tomb Raider running great. No Man's Sky will also launch soon on macOS, I'd be curious about how that runs too.
I have 4 MacBooks, 2 studio displays and 1 pro XDR display and I’m happy with them all even after shitting out close to 20 grand for them. They do everything I need to run my business and at home I use an m2 max 16 “store spec” to play world of Warcraft. Since I don’t care about other games or the ghosting on the screen and the fact these are built like tanks this is the ultimate for me. Note I also have last years asus m16 3070ti and g14 6800s models for windows specific things but I use those one every few months maybe. Quality is night and day different.
That's a nice bit of kit. I don't use my mac for gaming, but the longevity I get from them is amazing. I had a black case macbook from 2008-2015, and have had a base MBP from 2015 to present and it still works well. Not sure how many computers last 8 years with no issues, but I don't mind shelling out cash for not having to buy a new one every 3 years.
@Dawiddoestechstuff I’m pretty sure the display has a setting that controls the motion blur of the Mac OS
I use both Mac (for work and basically for anything) and PC (for gaming/movie watching only).
I have had super fast 12 gen Intel i9 RTX3080 Ti + 32GB ram with fast nvme drives gaming laptop (240hz qhd), but the whole laptop still felt "choppy" and less smooth than my M1 Pro 16 inch 32gb.
The apps are just more responsive on MacOS. I hated doing thing in Photoshop or in any other apps on Windows.
MacOS is just better optimised and pleasant to use. If there were cool Apple games I wouldn't even use a Windows PC anymore...
(This is from a guy who is not an Apple fun boy.)
Gosh if they charge $4000 for for the 32GB configuration with an LCD - I can imagine what they'll charge when they inevitably (eventually) offer a successor model with an optional OLED upgrade. Hah will probably be a $1200 premium.
pff 1200$ premium would be peasant money for apple, set it to 2000$ extra
They use micro led which is way better lol
It doesnt burn in which is a problem on a desktop where there will be a dock and menubar always in the same place and it gets way brighter which is good for hdr10+ cause it gets to 1600nits
@@leocompany micro led has worse input latency I believe
@@leocompany no they don’t use microLED. That’s way to expensive and doesn’t quite exist yet, especially in consumer devices. They use MiniLED
$1200? did you forget that they sell monitor *stands* for a cool grand?
9:47 this part remember me about the surface laptops with 16:10 aspect ratio
I just got an m2 MacBook Air and the only gaming I do is League and I have it connected to my 1440p 144hz LG monitor and I get smooth 120fps at high med settings. Incredible laptop and is great for light gaming but if I rly want to play I got my own pc with a 3070 in it
I am an Apple fanboy and I love MacBooks, but this video shows very well what kind of issues are still ahead of us to make MacBooks a good gaming platform. Its not all about performance, its also about that downright horrible lag in terms of bluetooth and mouse acceleration etc. By the way, both of these problems are being fixed in macOS Sonoma - bluetooth sampling rate is doubled and mouse acceleration is turned off when gaming mode is turned on. But that display smear... year.. we still have a ways to go.
It is important to note that even on Steam much more Games run on macOS nowadays. Valve has not updated the compatibility listings in ages. On top of that you can run Windows Games up to DirectX 11 very well either via CrossOver or running Windows on ARM via Parallels. For DirectX 12 there are still limitations due to Apples Metal API. However the MoltenVK project is working on filling these gap of Vulkan compatibility since the last Metal 3 major Update that came with macOS Ventura. Once these are fixed you can use the same Direct X translation layers that Valves Proton uses on Linux.
Bought a Mac mini with M2 last month. Didn't had those Problems. But I understand why apple increases the RAM with the performance CPU. It has shared memory. And 16 GB is just not enough for both Units to perform properly.
Gaming on the Mac mini might not be awesome, but the power it needs to run is crazy low. And it is very silent too.
I have a mbp 13 2020 with a 10th gen i7. Games using MacOS is a nightmare and not optimised at all. That's why I use bootcamp to use windows to play the games I want. Hooked up to it too is a GPU with a GTX970. The biggest issue I've encountered while playing games isn't the lack of CPU power but the lack of proper cooling (I have a stand where it freely sucks and blows air). Therefore there would be many occasions where it throttles and runs
Very useful. Nobody talks about the awful response time of the Mac. Now I know more about how less the Mac is.
It's nice to see apple is still focusing more time on the user experience opening their products than actually using them
Lol, that is insane price gouging!!!! Mac for gaming seems cool until you remember how predatory apple is to their consumers.
I still wonder why you don't already got 1 Million Subs! I really enjoy your Videos! Give this Canadian Man some love already!
You should do a video about Asahi Linux on the Macbook, it's specifically for M1 and M2 Macbooks and recently has working GPU drivers so you can play certain Linux games