The klymit pads design is a feature. The gaps allow cooling and air flow in the warmer seasons. In the cold, it allows your bags insulation to to loft and fill in the gaps imcreasing the effectiveness of the insulation in your bag.
I really appreciate you doing a video like this. Even though you don`t like it. There should be more people out there doing that!!! Thank you for the honest talk !!!
I had the a static V sleeping pad in my cart on Amazon. Glad to have this information before I ordered it. It says R value 4.4 in the information. Pretty cool to have someone calling out the companies for not being legit.
I can completely back up what you’re saying about insulated static V pads being waaaaay below their rating. I do a lot of deep winter backpacking in the northeastern US (Adirondacks, White Mountains) where the average overnight temp on my trips is -10 Fahrenheit or lower and those pads are horrible. I could instantly tell the 4.4R value was incorrect the first night I used one. I now have a cheap Thermarest Neoair with an R Value of 3.1 and it’s significantly warmer.
I almost bought a klymit but ended up staying and purchasing another Thermorest after watching several of your videos. I'm glad I passed. Thanks brother
Now it explains why I was freezing my ass off even with a tent stove in the winter. Now I have a exped downmat UL ASTM 7.1. Can’t wait to try it this winter, thanks for calling them out.
@@williegroundskeeper1072 I was told thermarest was going to do some changes to their neoair line up. So I went with xped. I tested it out laying on it it is pretty warm and it is pretty quiet.
@@chan4059 You will see the difference in winter, if you use it directly on the snow. If it's summer in your area now, you can sleep basically on anything, and still feel fine. And besides that, Exped Downmat Winter are too expensive to be used in summer.
I unfortunately own two static V insulated pads; however I don’t do real winter camping, so it really doesn’t effect me - expect they falsely advertise the pad. With that said, this was an excellent review and thanks for sharing the facts. If I every get into winter camping, I’ll invest in a better, and properly rated pad. Thanks Jeremy. 👍
I love my non insulated Static V specifically for the design flaws you pointed out, it’s perfect for summer as you get a lovely cool breeze flowing underneath you. My Xtherm is v v good but even the large is a little restrictive in width for me, I prefer the winter Fjöl XL pad from my Amok, best pad I’ve ever owned.
Really interesting man. I've always thought R Values seemed sketchy sometimes, now I understand why. One thing I will say is I have that exact same orange Static V and it's fine for warmer months. Essentially when you don't need an R value.
Best part is, you can use whatever pad works for you....lol. I sleep hot, so a klymit pad works just fine for me... Good video, lots of good info to soak in...
While I will not disagree with your findings I have been fine on my insulated static v down to -10c. This was on bare ground and not on the snow in a sleeping bag that is rated to -30c. The bag for my Klymit also does not have a snowflake on them.
I used this pad with a military mss in the 30’s here in the US and froze my butt off. Good thing i was in my backyard to test my equipment for my first camp. I will be send this pad back asap.
Thanks for your honesty, it is always referring to hear a true review. I also fell for there be and ended up buying a proper sleeping pad after freezing at night. Stay true buddy 👍
Jeremy is the real deal on this gear reviews. He has zero agenda on everything he reviews- no profit gain whatsoever. What he DOES is gives you very reliable straight shooting info through his testing. I based everything he said on thermarest and bought one. Thank you Jeremy. If he pushes your product and gives a thumbs up on it, consider your company fortunate. He is a very respected knowledgable source in the outdoor field.
Well dam. I have a brand new in the bag hammock V insulated that I bought for my warbonnet blackbird xlc. It gets in the teens in Fahrenheit in north Georgia mountains. Hopefully it will be warm enough. If not I have my Amok Draumr XL with insulated pad that has kept me warm at the temps listed above. Thank you for your honesty as always sir.
Ever since I bought the insulated SL 6.5, I knew I slept cold but not that cold. Something was wrong with it and now that this standard came out I am glad to start to see the real numbers.
I was in the process of buying my first mattress pad from this company and this video popped up on my TV wow ! I was minutes from being cheated based on there false R rating thank you so much you saved me from freezing this winter love your channel and I will definitely buy your stove in the fall you gained my trust months ago and when you say something that's good enough for me 👍👍👍
I have the klymit SV long, I used it one night at plus 6 Celsius, I was frozen, even with a wool blanket under me. At least you could blow em up by mouth because it won’t make them colder. I love my Exped downmat7, comfy and truly warm. The Thermarest Ridgerest closed cell pad is warmer than my Klymit, easily.
My klymit static v came today. I found it difficult to inflate and deflate, I laid on it and it squeaked like a dog toy, it felt so flimsy and small. I quickly realised that there was no way I’m taking this out on a camping trip to risk a bad night sleep on it. It didn’t even come with a repair kit like most pads come with. I was disappointed the moment I took it out the bag to be honest.
Cool video man , I still use my green klymit static v ,the green one , but I am pretty comfortable myself combined with my quezer 20° degree down bag ,I sleep pretty warm on it ,which I like even in the summer . I used it in 8 degrees with my 20° bag too in December in Pennsylvania.
Although I had already purchased before seeing your last vid thanks for this info. I have been suckered but as a result have found your channel meaning I will hopefully make more of the right choices in future.
I have a similar problem with manufacturers describing tents as 4 season or 3 season tbh. People end up thinking "I need to spend a grand on a Hilleberg to go camping in winter". Should really be more "static load limit (as from snow) = X, dynamic load limit (as from wind)". Because , and let's be honest, 4th season in Yorkshire is fairly different from 4th season in Canada for example. 😂
No, you dont need hilleberg to camp in generic "winter". Like in backyard "winter" or fishing trip "winter", or even nearby forest "winter". But i more often meet people that are zombified with UL trends, than overengineering, like hillebergs, and go on Khibiny tour with copper spur hv ul, and it ends rather ugly, both for them and their equipment.
Must say (repeatedly on this channel), even with pad with R7.1 (by Exped) I prefer to use additional 5mm foam pad when sleeping on the snow in sleeping bags' limit temperatures. This thin foam pad gives me additional 5-7°C on the backside, and feels so good. Anyway, having a real winter sleeping pad, i.e. in this video the R6.9 T-a-R Neoair Xtherm, is absolutely great, and very recommended to all of you guys. ....Now I am curiously waiting for some product updates from Klymit (with real winter rated R).
I believe most Big Agnes sleeping bags have no insulation on the bottom side. The theory being that compressed insulation has little to no value in keeping you warm.
I tried the insulated static v, hated it, returned it. I also tried the gear doctor insulated pad, hated that also and returned it...I finally caved and spent the extra on a therm-a-rest NeoAir Xlite Pad. Don't have it yet, but I'm pretty sure it'll be far superior than the budget pads
I usually go for an old school foam pad. It does the trick and is about seven bucks for a cheap one (better ones are around 20). Serves as a shooting mat as well, if hunting for example.
Totally agree...love snow camping, and the Klymit mats didn't hold up to their R value claims, froze my butt off, had to revert to bringing other pads to put under the Klymits to seal those huge gaps....waste of money and space....veering away from the Klymit, how low were you able to go with the Gear Doctor Appollo, curious, because it is not insulated, yet you stayed warm with it.
Thanks Jeremy, good to know. I hear ya, about winter. We have real winters here in Michigan. My first winter camping trip many years ago, the temp was -17 below Farenheit with the wind chill factor. Winters here can be brutal, we've had winters here that were colder than Alaska.
Dude … call ‘em like you see ‘em; see ‘em like they are!!! Call ‘em out!!! Me and mine wish you and yours all things great and good; take care, be safe, all my best and God bless!!! Chuck Knight from Buffalo, Texas, USA.
Wow sorry to hear that , klymit is located just a few miles from me, I personally don’t have any of their equipment what’s your take on the gear doctor Apollo air sleeping pad
Thanks for the info. I bought a static doubleV for the Girlfriend and I last fall. The first time we hit -6°C she was cold in a -26°C rated bag. Now i understand why!
Love your videos and completely believe your reviews. I have been down to around 20 degrees with the Klymit AND an UQ though. And was warm enough to sleep. I was also under a heavy 0 degree bag too.
I've slept using my therm a rest (r=6.9...I think) in a 30 degree mummy bag on a balcony, in the winter with temps in the mid 20's and high winds that gave a "feels like" temp @ 16 degrees and I was toasty warm. I've done the same thing in colder temp's and added my 55 degree blanket using my therm a rest and got hot. it's therm a rest for me for sure every time. I'm not sure that I'm brave enough to try this in Canada/ Nova Scotia, but in kentucky and northern Indiana, I'll do it anytime!
I have a Klymit Static V Luxe that seeps air right from the fabric horrible they won’t even reply to several emails.. I would even send to you Lonewolf it’s fairly new but doesn’t hold the air.. failed me on my last trip
Would love to hear your opinion of the Paria Outdoors "Recharge XL insulated sleeping pad". They say it has an estimated R-value of 4.7 and has a lot of positive reviews. Not many reviews in cold conditions though.
@@Lonewolfwildcamping I understand, I meant it in a way that if you ever got hold of one and use it in winter. I'd love to watch/hear your review of it. Sadly it won't be available until august otherwise I would have bought multiple for the family and test it out. Since I do need new mats now I have to go another route for mat choice.
I'm real glad I watched this video because I was about to buy one for winter camping in the Scottish Highlands. It's a real struggle to get an affordable sleep pad for winter camping, the thermarest products are really pricey, they cost more than my tent. I like the look of the unigear one but can't find the larger one here in the UK. Any advice would be most appreciated.
I have watched this several times. Now have more respect then ever for Jeremy's opinions on gear. Beautiful job, especially when you point out Rvalue on sleeping pads is NOT done with regard to your sleeping bad or how thick your underwear is...! Yes, Klymit Sucks!!!
Damn, bad news, I just bought this pad... All the shopping websites in my country and a lot of reviews point out the "so great" 4.4 R value, so I thought it's good for the price. Only later I found the package says "R 4.4 (1.9 ASTM F3340-18)" and even then I thought the number in parentheses is some revision number, so it was ok, it says R 4.4 by the ASTM standard revision 1.9 F3340-18. And then I see this. Why don't they just list the actual ASTM R value instead of some arbitrary number? Holy hell, what a nasty marketing scam this is!
For me, the Klymit was "okay" to 34. So, probably a 2+ season pad. I would definitely not call it anything above an R-value of 2. It is comfortable though & is a good warm-weather pad. The Gear Doctor, for me, very underinflated (I prefer that) left me cold at 51 degrees, but it is very warm when fully inflated. I have that same experience when using Thermarest neoairs also & they are my preferred cold-weather pad, fully inflated of course. Your very good information on pads will help a lot of people to not freeze.
Once again awesome keep telling like it is tired of getting screwed by greedy companys who just want the hard working peoples money and dont care about them.
This is horrible news I just bought the static x insulated luxe sl the beige one in your video a couple hours ago. Thanking it was gonna be the warmest one I own.ive always slept on the old original thermarests and military foam roll up pads. Hopefully it'll work for me I camp in Colorado in the winter. And I've always survived but I've had alot of cold nights. If this one sucks ill be returning it
what if you had a layer of cardboard on top and under? they also sell a cover for 35, would that solve the problem, think it could become a good deal if so?
Thanks Lone Wolf I watched both of these static V videos and I had my mind set on buying the insulated static v but now I'm not!! I'm going with a Therma rest luxury in the R value is in the six. I do have a question what if you would use that aluminum roll out foam you can buy it at Home Depot or Lowe's it looks pad and you put it at the bottom of your tent where you sleep and put your pad on top of it it's very reflective do you think I would help too thank you for the video you saved me from a cold night's sleep
Great video, lots of good info. I didn’t know they updated their rating. I first had the green klymit pad (I believe somewhere around an R value of 1, so they claim) and shivered through the night in 1-7 degree Celsius nights. I hope if did the F to C conversion correctly:) However, I bought their R 4.4 rated pad just two weeks ago and it was the sweet spot for that temp. It also has a completely different valve system than the green pad of theirs, and this one is brick red. Is this an updated version? Maybe, or I just haven’t tried it in 5 degrees fahrenheit…..🥶
SO glad I never bought one. I managed to find a Sea To Summit "Comfort +" self inflating pad on sale. It has a ASTM rating of 4.1 It's very comfortable. Thanks J.
I bought one when they first came out ( hammock pad ) .. never used it .. tried one the floor once and it deflated.. I went to underquilts and never looked back.. I really need to try it out it a hammock .. I have kept it on reserve for an additional person who could go out with me ... my suggestion for anyone into hammocks to not get
I'm looking for a pad to use in conjunction with a Thermarest Zlite for temperatures down to -30 C, do you know of any good options on the budget end? The Static V was really appealing at the ~$100 CAD but it seems like that might not be such great value after all.
Yeah I bought a climate static v for a trip try to sleep on it at my house and it sucked I got a Nemo switchback for the trip worked out great doesn't get holes. I guess I'm going to have to use my climate static v for the pool
It’s about safety. The kit has to meet the claims of how to manage the worst conditions you find yourself in. In the wrong situation it can be dangerous. I was literally about to buy one. I’d rather spend the mistake money on a better high end pad. I’m going for the Thermarest. Buy good quality gear once and look after it, is probably the wisest advice I’ve received. Thank you, I always trust your honest reviews.
As soon as this came out I knew that there was no way the r value on them could be that high. Just from the design I would have been surprised if it was half that never even considered buying a static v just from the design.
Ho acquistato un Klymit con R-value 4.4 per un viaggio in Islanda e l'ho testato in montagna ad una temperatura notturna di circa 3°C. Ho avuto freddo,sono totalmente deluso.
thanks for doing this video. ive been using insulated static v lite for a few years was wondering why i felt cold so much. only when placing it inside my sleeping bag did i find a difference. sent my email to klymit.
Jeremy, where were you over a year ago when I was spending money on Klymit pads? My insulated Static V is crap. Uncomfortable and I will swear it makes me colder. I'll use it above 60F, but that's it. The Double V was great for me and the girlfriend around 25F, but combined body heat was the thing, not the pad! You are doing a great service with this video, please know that. I'll use my Klymits til they die, but I'd buy One Tigris sh*t before I went Klymit again. Just kidding, I'll never buy Onetigris either.
This is even worse if you were using a quilt, with no down under you to supposedly fill loft into the valleys..I returned it to Amazon after a test in my back yard
I just sent your review to Klymit Europe since I’m arguing with them since some days. They’re trying to convince me that their tech is working (the loft of the sleeping bag should sink into the channels) It’s not for me - sleeping cold in a cumulus xlite 400, a 2 degree down bag, at 7C… Going to buy a Nemo Tensor Insulated
Klymit is a company of stories and fairy tales. They have false advertising issues and have been caught telling lies to customers. Proof is in the video
They don't have the ASTM R value stated anymore _ just the original R value from before (4.4) And then in the FAQ they have the blurb implying that this is the ASTM value now.. '' In an effort to conform to the new ASTM industry standard while not confusing the current Klymit customer base, Klymit is listing both historical R-values and ASTM R-values on our website and packaging. ASTM R-values will be listed once the pad has been tested ''. Bit annoying as they're the only company with a hammock designed pad...
Edit: Actually that seems to be the case with just the hammock version and a few others..Looks like they're updating to the new ASMT metric.. Still means it will be too cold for my hammock though in the autumn which is a shame. Thanks for the vid, i would've probably been convinced to buy one without it
Well, my static v luxe sl felt about same as 3r value thermarest pad, and considering they rated normal static v luxe at 2.4, that's about right. i use thin 3mm reflective foam mat as a footprint and puncture protection and started feeling cchill at -10c. But considering 100% of my travels, even shoulder season mountain ones rarely bypass even -10c, im fine with klymit. That's all given my sleeping bags are extreme overkill, as my summer one rated for -5c comfort, and my winter for -20c. Disclaimer - no i dont think the situation is normal, and i wont buy klymit again when my static v eventually wears out. But it works for me.
Too bad they are dishonest would of purchased one of these pads for sure… hopefully they see this! Not that they probably even care if they are willing to lie and falsely advertise.
I have the Static V Kings Camo and only used it less than 10x, now it's useless. The valve leaks, and seam on the sides as well as the inside leaks. I have no plan on using the lifetime warranty since I live in the Philippines and the shipping cost to send it back to them is expensive. I truly regret buying Klymit. I should have bought a closed cell foam pad instead.
I got such a good laugh out of the ASTM standards when they published the ratings. All those idiots that said they were excellent in cold weather can eat their Klymit pads now. I was absolutely freezing in 20F weather on these garbage "insulated" pads.
Really good informative vlog, was with you until you said you giving away the pads to a friend. You should have said enemy. Lol stay well and thank you.
I purchased this in Dec 2020 and tested it in -20 and I got cold even with a reflected emergency blanket and blue hiking pad underneath. Is there any recourse for this and can I send it back and get a refund?
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Link to klymit static v pads r value
The klymit pads design is a feature. The gaps allow cooling and air flow in the warmer seasons. In the cold, it allows your bags insulation to to loft and fill in the gaps imcreasing the effectiveness of the insulation in your bag.
Already debunked. It's BS!
Pads are one of the most important items for anyone who trust their gear not to kill them. Thanks for the in depth and valuable review.
I agree, a very important piece of gear that should provide warmth
I almost bought one before seeing your first review. Nice too see the numbers back you up. Keep the honesty coming brother. Love the channel.
Thank you for enjoying
I really appreciate you doing a video like this. Even though you don`t like it. There should be more people out there doing that!!!
Thank you for the honest talk !!!
Well said!
Thank You, Call anyone out for false advertising. Thanks for the review.
Thank you
I had the a static V sleeping pad in my cart on Amazon. Glad to have this information before I ordered it. It says R value 4.4 in the information. Pretty cool to have someone calling out the companies for not being legit.
Glad I could help
Wow it said that high , just got one yesterday and it says 1.4 lol , it's warm regardless under a 20 ° down bag
I can completely back up what you’re saying about insulated static V pads being waaaaay below their rating.
I do a lot of deep winter backpacking in the northeastern US (Adirondacks, White Mountains) where the average overnight temp on my trips is -10 Fahrenheit or lower and those pads are horrible.
I could instantly tell the 4.4R value was incorrect the first night I used one. I now have a cheap Thermarest Neoair with an R Value of 3.1 and it’s significantly warmer.
I almost bought a klymit but ended up staying and purchasing another Thermorest after watching several of your videos. I'm glad I passed. Thanks brother
I'm really happy with my thermarest
Now it explains why I was freezing my ass off even with a tent stove in the winter. Now I have a exped downmat UL ASTM 7.1. Can’t wait to try it this winter, thanks for calling them out.
Yup, explains why you were cold
Good choice, I would say
@@williegroundskeeper1072 I was told thermarest was going to do some changes to their neoair line up. So I went with xped. I tested it out laying on it it is pretty warm and it is pretty quiet.
@@chan4059 You will see the difference in winter, if you use it directly on the snow. If it's summer in your area now, you can sleep basically on anything, and still feel fine. And besides that, Exped Downmat Winter are too expensive to be used in summer.
I unfortunately own two static V insulated pads; however I don’t do real winter camping, so it really doesn’t effect me - expect they falsely advertise the pad. With that said, this was an excellent review and thanks for sharing the facts. If I every get into winter camping, I’ll invest in a better, and properly rated pad. Thanks Jeremy. 👍
Thank you very much
I've been considering different pads so I really appreciate this information. Thank you!
Thank you
I love my non insulated Static V specifically for the design flaws you pointed out, it’s perfect for summer as you get a lovely cool breeze flowing underneath you. My Xtherm is v v good but even the large is a little restrictive in width for me, I prefer the winter Fjöl XL pad from my Amok, best pad I’ve ever owned.
Definitely a good summer option, I agree with the fjöl pad, very comfortable
your straight to the point is the exact reason why I am purchasing the lone wolf series stove.
Awsome, thank you
Really interesting man. I've always thought R Values seemed sketchy sometimes, now I understand why. One thing I will say is I have that exact same orange Static V and it's fine for warmer months. Essentially when you don't need an R value.
Yup, only good for summer time
Best part is, you can use whatever pad works for you....lol. I sleep hot, so a klymit pad works just fine for me...
Good video, lots of good info to soak in...
Absolutely
While I will not disagree with your findings I have been fine on my insulated static v down to -10c. This was on bare ground and not on the snow in a sleeping bag that is rated to -30c. The bag for my Klymit also does not have a snowflake on them.
Awsome, I've had no such luck
Haven't had any problems with mine either.
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I have also have no problem down to at least -9C.
I used this pad with a military mss in the 30’s here in the US and froze my butt off. Good thing i was in my backyard to test my equipment for my first camp. I will be send this pad back asap.
Glad you were at home
Thanks for your honesty, it is always referring to hear a true review. I also fell for there be and ended up buying a proper sleeping pad after freezing at night. Stay true buddy 👍
Glad I could help
Jeremy is the real deal on this gear reviews. He has zero agenda on everything he reviews- no profit gain whatsoever. What he DOES is gives you very reliable straight shooting info through his testing. I based everything he said on thermarest and bought one. Thank you Jeremy. If he pushes your product and gives a thumbs up on it, consider your company fortunate. He is a very respected knowledgable source in the outdoor field.
Thank you for being a positive supporter
Well dam. I have a brand new in the bag hammock V insulated that I bought for my warbonnet blackbird xlc. It gets in the teens in Fahrenheit in north Georgia mountains. Hopefully it will be warm enough. If not I have my Amok Draumr XL with insulated pad that has kept me warm at the temps listed above. Thank you for your honesty as always sir.
Awsome setup, I think you will be ok but test it first
Great video. Absolutely awesome info. Will adjust my kit accordingly.
Thanks for enjoying
Ever since I bought the insulated SL 6.5, I knew I slept cold but not that cold. Something was wrong with it and now that this standard came out I am glad to start to see the real numbers.
Yes, I slept cold everytime
On the upside, the Klymit pad might be perfect for hot summer nights.
Thanks for getting up in the face of a devious company! 👍
I agree
Thanks for another honest review and keep the good work up mate
Thanks, glad I could help
I was in the process of buying my first mattress pad from this company and this video popped up on my TV wow ! I was minutes from being cheated based on there false R rating thank you so much you saved me from freezing this winter love your channel and I will definitely buy your stove in the fall you gained my trust months ago and when you say something that's good enough for me 👍👍👍
Really glad I could help you out
Thanks I'm going to get a new pad for this winter and fall season Thanks again
Awsome 🤙
I have the klymit SV long, I used it one night at plus 6 Celsius, I was frozen, even with a wool blanket under me. At least you could blow em up by mouth because it won’t make them colder. I love my Exped downmat7, comfy and truly warm. The Thermarest Ridgerest closed cell pad is warmer than my Klymit, easily.
Definitely a cold pad
Btw you were a strong referral from another channel so thats dope good work brudda
Appreciate that
My klymit static v came today. I found it difficult to inflate and deflate, I laid on it and it squeaked like a dog toy, it felt so flimsy and small. I quickly realised that there was no way I’m taking this out on a camping trip to risk a bad night sleep on it. It didn’t even come with a repair kit like most pads come with. I was disappointed the moment I took it out the bag to be honest.
Yup, its pretty terrible
i live in Norway, and I sleep warm on my Klymit V insulted Hammock pad.
Did you ever have any problems with it deflating ?
Very glad to hear it works for you
@@joecola6487 not yet, but it is a royal pain in the ass to deflate.
@@Lonewolfwildcamping maybe the hammock version got fixed? I even used mine without an underquilt in the winter.
Great video. It's great that your exposing the false advertising of these companies. Keep up the good work...
Thank you, glad the video was useful
Cool video man , I still use my green klymit static v ,the green one , but I am pretty comfortable myself combined with my quezer 20° degree down bag ,I sleep pretty warm on it ,which I like even in the summer . I used it in 8 degrees with my 20° bag too in December in Pennsylvania.
Although I had already purchased before seeing your last vid thanks for this info. I have been suckered but as a result have found your channel meaning I will hopefully make more of the right choices in future.
I'm glad I could help you
I have a similar problem with manufacturers describing tents as 4 season or 3 season tbh.
People end up thinking "I need to spend a grand on a Hilleberg to go camping in winter".
Should really be more "static load limit (as from snow) = X, dynamic load limit (as from wind)".
Because , and let's be honest, 4th season in Yorkshire is fairly different from 4th season in Canada for example. 😂
Absolutely, I agree with you
No, you dont need hilleberg to camp in generic "winter". Like in backyard "winter" or fishing trip "winter", or even nearby forest "winter". But i more often meet people that are zombified with UL trends, than overengineering, like hillebergs, and go on Khibiny tour with copper spur hv ul, and it ends rather ugly, both for them and their equipment.
Must say (repeatedly on this channel), even with pad with R7.1 (by Exped) I prefer to use additional 5mm foam pad when sleeping on the snow in sleeping bags' limit temperatures. This thin foam pad gives me additional 5-7°C on the backside, and feels so good. Anyway, having a real winter sleeping pad, i.e. in this video the R6.9 T-a-R Neoair Xtherm, is absolutely great, and very recommended to all of you guys. ....Now I am curiously waiting for some product updates from Klymit (with real winter rated R).
Thank you
Thanks for your honesty Jeremy 👍
Thanks for that 😄
I believe most Big Agnes sleeping bags have no insulation on the bottom side. The theory being that compressed insulation has little to no value in keeping you warm.
I believe all sleeping bags get crushed and provide minimal warmth
I tried the insulated static v, hated it, returned it. I also tried the gear doctor insulated pad, hated that also and returned it...I finally caved and spent the extra on a therm-a-rest NeoAir Xlite Pad. Don't have it yet, but I'm pretty sure it'll be far superior than the budget pads
It’s not just your opinion; it’s your experience. That counts. Thanks for a smart video.
Thank you very much
I usually go for an old school foam pad. It does the trick and is about seven bucks for a cheap one (better ones are around 20). Serves as a shooting mat as well, if hunting for example.
Totally agree...love snow camping, and the Klymit mats didn't hold up to their R value claims, froze my butt off, had to revert to bringing other pads to put under the Klymits to seal those huge gaps....waste of money and space....veering away from the Klymit, how low were you able to go with the Gear Doctor Appollo, curious, because it is not insulated, yet you stayed warm with it.
Sorry to hear that, the gear doctors is holding up well
Thanks Jeremy, good to know. I hear ya, about winter. We have real winters here in Michigan. My first winter camping trip many years ago, the temp was -17 below Farenheit with the wind chill factor. Winters here can be brutal, we've had winters here that were colder than Alaska.
Thats definitely a really cold winter
I have the old Version and i sleep in Winter by -10c and thats okay!
The klymit is maybe 3 year in use 🤷♂️
Awsome ❄
Dude … call ‘em like you see ‘em; see ‘em like they are!!! Call ‘em out!!! Me and mine wish you and yours all things great and good; take care, be safe, all my best and God bless!!! Chuck Knight from Buffalo, Texas, USA.
Thank you, the information is important to share and I hope mant people find it useful
@@Lonewolfwildcamping … We absolutely find it useful & valuable!!! Chuck.
drink another....
Wow sorry to hear that , klymit is located just a few miles from me, I personally don’t have any of their equipment what’s your take on the gear doctor Apollo air sleeping pad
I'll have a review coming soon
Thanks for the info.
I bought a static doubleV for the Girlfriend and I last fall. The first time we hit -6°C she was cold in a -26°C rated bag. Now i understand why!
Yes, definitely cold pads
Love your videos and completely believe your reviews. I have been down to around 20 degrees with the Klymit AND an UQ though. And was warm enough to sleep. I was also under a heavy 0 degree bag too.
Thank you very much
Hi.
Thanks for the video. Please would you recommend Klymit Static V2 for summer conditions?
Thanks.
Only for summer, yes
I've slept using my therm a rest (r=6.9...I think) in a 30 degree mummy bag on a balcony, in the winter with temps in the mid 20's and high winds that gave a "feels like" temp @ 16 degrees and I was toasty warm. I've done the same thing in colder temp's and added my 55 degree blanket using my therm a rest and got hot. it's therm a rest for me for sure every time. I'm not sure that I'm brave enough to try this in Canada/ Nova Scotia, but in kentucky and northern Indiana, I'll do it anytime!
Awsome, its definitely a great pad especially for really cold winter
Thanks for that review!
So Glad You Called Them Out On This, Kudos, " J " ATB T God Bless
Thank you
I have a Klymit Static V Luxe that seeps air right from the fabric horrible they won’t even reply to several emails.. I would even send to you Lonewolf it’s fairly new but doesn’t hold the air..
failed me on my last trip
Wow, terrible customer service from klymit
Would love to hear your opinion of the Paria Outdoors "Recharge XL insulated sleeping pad". They say it has an estimated R-value of 4.7 and has a lot of positive reviews. Not many reviews in cold conditions though.
I'm not familiar with that product unfortunately so I can't offer any advice
@@Lonewolfwildcamping I understand, I meant it in a way that if you ever got hold of one and use it in winter. I'd love to watch/hear your review of it.
Sadly it won't be available until august otherwise I would have bought multiple for the family and test it out. Since I do need new mats now I have to go another route for mat choice.
I'm real glad I watched this video because I was about to buy one for winter camping in the Scottish Highlands.
It's a real struggle to get an affordable sleep pad for winter camping, the thermarest products are really pricey, they cost more than my tent.
I like the look of the unigear one but can't find the larger one here in the UK.
Any advice would be most appreciated.
Well timed video - I was looking to replace my Exped Synmat 7 LW with a klymit pad. You've saved me wasting hard earned cash.
Glad I could help you
I have watched this several times. Now have more respect then ever for Jeremy's opinions on gear. Beautiful job, especially when you point out Rvalue on sleeping pads is NOT done with regard to your sleeping bad or how thick your underwear is...! Yes, Klymit Sucks!!!
I returned that sleepong pad right away. Thanks for informing consumers.
Any time!
Damn, bad news, I just bought this pad... All the shopping websites in my country and a lot of reviews point out the "so great" 4.4 R value, so I thought it's good for the price. Only later I found the package says "R 4.4 (1.9 ASTM F3340-18)" and even then I thought the number in parentheses is some revision number, so it was ok, it says R 4.4 by the ASTM standard revision 1.9 F3340-18. And then I see this. Why don't they just list the actual ASTM R value instead of some arbitrary number? Holy hell, what a nasty marketing scam this is!
Yup, definitely a marketing scam
Very glad you brought this to light. I was looking at them as an option and now I am not going to buy.
Always happy to help
Sounds like a man trying to make a point hey you doing a good job at trying to keep the company's honesty great job..👍👍👍
Thank you
For me, the Klymit was "okay" to 34. So, probably a 2+ season pad. I would definitely not call it anything above an R-value of 2. It is comfortable though & is a good warm-weather pad. The Gear Doctor, for me, very underinflated (I prefer that) left me cold at 51 degrees, but it is very warm when fully inflated. I have that same experience when using Thermarest neoairs also & they are my preferred cold-weather pad, fully inflated of course. Your very good information on pads will help a lot of people to not freeze.
Awsome and lots of very insightful information
Once again awesome keep telling like it is tired of getting screwed by greedy companys who just want the hard working peoples money and dont care about them.
This is horrible news I just bought the static x insulated luxe sl the beige one in your video a couple hours ago. Thanking it was gonna be the warmest one I own.ive always slept on the old original thermarests and military foam roll up pads. Hopefully it'll work for me I camp in Colorado in the winter. And I've always survived but I've had alot of cold nights. If this one sucks ill be returning it
The worst part about the "update" from klymet is that the never dropped the price tag with the ratings......
what if you had a layer of cardboard on top and under? they also sell a cover for 35, would that solve the problem, think it could become a good deal if so?
Dam i have bought like 5 static v pads i guess they will just be for summer dam i hate blowing cash on crap
Good for summer time
Thanks Lone Wolf I watched both of these static V videos and I had my mind set on buying the insulated static v but now I'm not!! I'm going with a Therma rest luxury in the R value is in the six. I do have a question what if you would use that aluminum roll out foam you can buy it at Home Depot or Lowe's it looks pad and you put it at the bottom of your tent where you sleep and put your pad on top of it it's very reflective do you think I would help too thank you for the video you saved me from a cold night's sleep
🤦♂i just bought one from walmart. I just might return it now. Thanks for the info.
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Great video, lots of good info. I didn’t know they updated their rating. I first had the green klymit pad (I believe somewhere around an R value of 1, so they claim) and shivered through the night in 1-7 degree Celsius nights. I hope if did the F to C conversion correctly:) However, I bought their R 4.4 rated pad just two weeks ago and it was the sweet spot for that temp. It also has a completely different valve system than the green pad of theirs, and this one is brick red. Is this an updated version? Maybe, or I just haven’t tried it in 5 degrees fahrenheit…..🥶
SO glad I never bought one. I managed to find a Sea To Summit "Comfort +" self inflating pad on sale. It has a ASTM rating of 4.1 It's very comfortable.
Thanks J.
Thats really awsome
I bought one when they first came out ( hammock pad ) .. never used it .. tried one the floor once and it deflated.. I went to underquilts and never looked back.. I really need to try it out it a hammock .. I have kept it on reserve for an additional person who could go out with me ... my suggestion for anyone into hammocks to not get
Underquilt is definitely the better option
I'm looking for a pad to use in conjunction with a Thermarest Zlite for temperatures down to -30 C, do you know of any good options on the budget end? The Static V was really appealing at the ~$100 CAD but it seems like that might not be such great value after all.
Thermarest neo air x therm
Yeah I bought a climate static v for a trip try to sleep on it at my house and it sucked I got a Nemo switchback for the trip worked out great doesn't get holes. I guess I'm going to have to use my climate static v for the pool
Yes, very disappointing pad the klymit
great comparison I've steared clear of klymit from the get go. love my thermarest and trust my thermarest
Awsome
It’s about safety. The kit has to meet the claims of how to manage the worst conditions you find yourself in. In the wrong situation it can be dangerous. I was literally about to buy one. I’d rather spend the mistake money on a better high end pad. I’m going for the Thermarest. Buy good quality gear once and look after it, is probably the wisest advice I’ve received. Thank you, I always trust your honest reviews.
Glad I could help
As soon as this came out I knew that there was no way the r value on them could be that high. Just from the design I would have been surprised if it was half that never even considered buying a static v just from the design.
Ho acquistato un Klymit con R-value 4.4 per un viaggio in Islanda e l'ho testato in montagna ad una temperatura notturna di circa 3°C. Ho avuto freddo,sono totalmente deluso.
thanks for doing this video. ive been using insulated static v lite for a few years was wondering why i felt cold so much. only when placing it inside my sleeping bag did i find a difference. sent my email to klymit.
Glad the video was helpful
What about the Klymit + V sheet combo?
Jeremy, where were you over a year ago when I was spending money on Klymit pads? My insulated Static V is crap. Uncomfortable and I will swear it makes me colder. I'll use it above 60F, but that's it. The Double V was great for me and the girlfriend around 25F, but combined body heat was the thing, not the pad! You are doing a great service with this video, please know that. I'll use my Klymits til they die, but I'd buy One Tigris sh*t before I went Klymit again. Just kidding, I'll never buy Onetigris either.
Absolutely agree, cold night sleeps in klymit pads, im glad the information was useful
With your experience with using these sleep pad products, what ASTM R-VALUE would you give the Gear Doctors ApolloAir Sleeping Pad?
Thank you for making this video. And The upfront Sucks to the brand.👍😃
Thank you for enjoying
This is even worse if you were using a quilt, with no down under you to supposedly fill loft into the valleys..I returned it to Amazon after a test in my back yard
Hope they are warmer in a hammock
No, the cold air will be just as cold as the ground
@@Lonewolfwildcamping dam i bought like 5 of their sleeping pads too :(
I bought 2 and then I quit
Brilliant post!!!
😊👍
I just sent your review to Klymit Europe since I’m arguing with them since some days. They’re trying to convince me that their tech is working (the loft of the sleeping bag should sink into the channels) It’s not for me - sleeping cold in a cumulus xlite 400, a 2 degree down bag, at 7C… Going to buy a Nemo Tensor Insulated
Klymit is a company of stories and fairy tales. They have false advertising issues and have been caught telling lies to customers. Proof is in the video
They don't have the ASTM R value stated anymore _ just the original R value from before (4.4)
And then in the FAQ they have the blurb implying that this is the ASTM value now..
'' In an effort to conform to the new ASTM industry standard while not confusing the current Klymit customer base, Klymit is listing both historical R-values and ASTM R-values on our website and packaging. ASTM R-values will be listed once the pad has been tested ''.
Bit annoying as they're the only company with a hammock designed pad...
Edit: Actually that seems to be the case with just the hammock version and a few others..Looks like they're updating to the new ASMT metric..
Still means it will be too cold for my hammock though in the autumn which is a shame.
Thanks for the vid, i would've probably been convinced to buy one without it
Well, my static v luxe sl felt about same as 3r value thermarest pad, and considering they rated normal static v luxe at 2.4, that's about right. i use thin 3mm reflective foam mat as a footprint and puncture protection and started feeling cchill at -10c. But considering 100% of my travels, even shoulder season mountain ones rarely bypass even -10c, im fine with klymit. That's all given my sleeping bags are extreme overkill, as my summer one rated for -5c comfort, and my winter for -20c.
Disclaimer - no i dont think the situation is normal, and i wont buy klymit again when my static v eventually wears out. But it works for me.
Excellent information
Is the klymate comfy though? Someone local is selling at a good price. This would be used for family summer camping
Very uncomfortable
@@Lonewolfwildcamping thank you!
Hey I trust your judgment. You have been out there in some cold ass temperatures lol. For me you are the expert in winter camping.
Thanks alot and I'm glad to help
I have a static v and its ok (also live in Georgia...rarely see 20°f)...still prefer a hammock lol
Yes, only good for warm climates
Cold cold cold . At 30 degrees. Website still show r value of 4.4 more like at 2
I agree
Too bad they are dishonest would of purchased one of these pads for sure… hopefully they see this! Not that they probably even care if they are willing to lie and falsely advertise.
I have the Static V Kings Camo and only used it less than 10x, now it's useless. The valve leaks, and seam on the sides as well as the inside leaks. I have no plan on using the lifetime warranty since I live in the Philippines and the shipping cost to send it back to them is expensive. I truly regret buying Klymit. I should have bought a closed cell foam pad instead.
Integrity! nice dude.
Thank you
I got such a good laugh out of the ASTM standards when they published the ratings. All those idiots that said they were excellent in cold weather can eat their Klymit pads now. I was absolutely freezing in 20F weather on these garbage "insulated" pads.
Thanks for enjoying, im glad the information was very useful
Really good informative vlog, was with you until you said you giving away the pads to a friend. You should have said enemy. Lol stay well and thank you.
Thank you, a good summer pad but not for winter
I purchased this in Dec 2020 and tested it in -20 and I got cold even with a reflected emergency blanket and blue hiking pad underneath. Is there any recourse for this and can I send it back and get a refund?
I would recommend contacting klymit and ask for a refund
Should have known it before buying 😢. I used the klymat insulated static v in 5 degrees Celsius and was freezing all night.
Yup, garbage product for winter time. Horrible false advertising
@@Lonewolfwildcamping Bought the thermarest NeoAir® XTherm, today. Exited to try it next week
Awsome, an excellent choice
Yeah I'll probably just going to get one me and because I'm done with thermarest