BenQ XL2730Z - The Best AMD FreeSync Gaming Monitor?
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- Is the BenQ XL2730Z the FreeSync answer to ASUS' ROG Swift from last year?
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I must be the only person on the planet who hates performance/gaming grade hardware that is covered with glowing neon lights and pretentious sharp edges.
So tired of companies who feel like they have to make their products look like futuristic space ships just because they're targeted at gamers...
I'd rather something that looks sleek, simple, functional and as minimalist as possible. the the performance speak for the product.
Yeah. Me too...
Same
I don't mind the ads, I don't mind the buffer, but when the ads buffer, I suffer
Linus, the synthetic benchmark was extremely laggy and I think it's a poor representation of AMD's hardware. Could you have not found something that would work out more smoothly? Not an AMD fanboy, that is all.
The bench was running on a 970m. Has nothing to do with the monitor but yeah I'm annoyed it was lagging. It normally doesn't.
LinusTechTips Why run it on a 970m since this is a Free sync monitor?
LinusTechTips Then you should have done the right thing by reshooting those scenes while running the bench on a desktop pc with an AMD grahics card, since this was a presentation of AMD technology.
This is supposed to be a review of the AMD freesync tech, yet you left stutter on demo running on that very video, that is totally not cool, not cool at all!
Brolivia Wilde Yup, it definitely leaves a bad impression, even though i know its not the monitor....
Brolivia Wilde I totally agree. It's really misleading, hence the Nvidia fanboys LOLS about the lag and stuttering. I think the freesync tech is a good thing, but at least give AMD a level playing field with which to play on against the green team. I have often heard that Linus was biased towards Nvidia...now I am starting to believe it. I am also dissapointed with LTT for doing this and not mentioning that it was not running on an AMD card as I am sure this would be naturally assumed by everyone.
8:31 which noob was shooting this footage...? ;P
LithiumFrost the footage is fine
the edit is not
LithiumFrost i have seen this a few times in recent weeks, maybe he employed his kid as an editor. Standards are slipping Linus.
the good hustler I love how you act like you care
LithiumFrost One of the editors just forgot to edit out the start of that B-roll. Accidents happen
***** Because they shoot in 4K so they'd have even more data than they already do. Plus I'm not sure the FS700 supports higb frame rates in 4K outside burst.
This monitor is £530 ($823) here in the UK, 40% more than USA ($600). Feeling an awful lot like Australia right now :(
TheHorseVlog $799 AUD here in Australia which is $617 USD at current exchange rate. So yeah. You have it much worse.
TheHorseVlog
in germany it is 639€ which is 718$. europe prices suck right now
zampano06 well, I'm importing (To Ireland; Yay EU!)
TheHorseVlog You forgot to factor in tax.
TheHorseVlog I went to buy stuff of amazon, thought it was a really good deal until the checkout. #AustraliandollarFTW
This monitor, 430 Euro, same specs but with G-sync, 660 Euro.
Thanks Nvidia.
Linus and editors, what is with the extreme amount of noise in this video? You might want to check that out.
Aidan Fryer It might be that TH-cam is still processing the video.
Aidan Fryer 08:33.....wtf, i know linus doesnt have the best editors but this is dodgy.
Asean12 It might be an error in TH-cam's processing, but I haven't seen it before, as usually increased noise would be an issue in editing or in camera, not in TH-cam's processing. However, really we need Edzel, Taran, or whoever else edited the video to comment, otherwise it is just speculation.
the good hustler Eh, every editor makes mistakes, and when you are pushing out 1+ videos a day it is bound to happen that occasionally you get a clip wrong and don't have time to re-render, I just haven't seen a instance of high noise like this before for no apparent reason, and it is just something that ***** and Edzel Yago might want to check out to make sure it doesn't occur in another video.
well I didn't really see the noise so you know probably internet, or TH-cam's erver
IPS and gsync version. My money is yours Benq. That headphone stand tho. I dig it
Yes I want that too :)
Sy AM I was wondering why he compared it to the Swift. The Swift has been dethroned by the XB270HU and is no longer the best G-Sync monitor.
+Ikmal Izzat Johari Yeah it's awesome, I hang my Astro A50 headset and charge it in the USB below it.
Benchmark stuttering in the beginning annoyed me lol.
Lachlan Hunt it was stuttering because it’s afraid of Linus
It's stuttering... the monitor, not your video. :/
Heaven benchmark has one or two areas where it stutters no matter what. You can't film a variable refresh monitor with fixed fps camera without the monitor looking like it stutters.
tobalnell1983 omg thank god.i thought my laptop had problem....Thank you
bensemus x I dont stutter like that for me bro. That stuttering is not the benchmark software.
Barry Cooper it is
tobalnell1983 He had it set up to run that shitty on purpose. The point of Freesync and Gsync is that under unoptimal load and therefore not fantastic FPS the gameplay would still be smooth with no tearing or stuttering. It was demonstrating that in the video.
4:54 As off the latest Nvidia drivers, the part about Gsync not letting you disable vsync at the max refresh rate is no longer true.
Not sure why you'd want to do that, it seems like a complete non-feature to me, but sure, you can do that with both vendors now.
Stan Velijev Higher framerates reduce input lag and increase responsiveness for competitive gaming. I disable gsync on LoL and CS:GO because I play them very seriously while leaving it on for everything else. Gotta say though, at 144hz with gsync it's really close to not mattering, but in the past when I played on 60hz monitors playing CS:S I could feel when the framerate dropped below 200.
***** Yeeeeah but in those scenarios you'd either want all syncing completely off or you'd want it completely on. There's very little reason why you'd want it on and then disabled past the framerate cap.
At 144hz you're rendering a frame every 7ms. If you could render at a solid 200 that would be 5, and I guess in ultra competitive scenarios there might be some minuscule benefit to that, but if you're rendering at 200+ then you're always going to be above the 144 cap where you want it disabled, soo... Why not just disable it fully?
Point is, that specific feature where you disable the vsync above the framerate cap seems almost entirely useless. Seems like something AMD waved around as though it's a legitimate feature when it wasn't, and the Nvidia implemented it just to take AMD's non-feature away from them.
Stan Velijev I always thought that the whole purpose of g-sync/freesync technology was to turn vsync off to eliminate input lag while at the same time getting rid of tearing (could someone enlight me with this point?). So
as you say, turning vsync on/off should be a non-feature.
Heinz Traub vsync gets replaced by gsync when the monitor is in gsync mode, so we say vsync because that is what the option is labelled in the game options
*****
Thank you, I think I understand how it works in-game now. But, what happens then when v-sync is turned off in-game, is g-sync still running in the background? This should allow g-sync to run on games with no support for v-sync.
I have been using this monitor for a year. Could not be happier.
I noticed stuttering with FS on vs FS off in your GTA 5 comparison though.... Also at 6:32.... Is that something you noticed and have additional thoughts on? Edit also at 7:38 for example, that looks disgusting... Would rather tear TBH... Also if someone comments that it is only recorded at 30 fps (with frame blending most likely on) I would argue watch Linus himself, he isn't stuttering.
agreed!
Hey Linus, would you guys mind making an overview of your business? From how everything started till now. That would be fun imo :D
Lowinator Well He has given parts of it over time on the wan show, and he did the full thing on some other channel. If you want the basics, he started out as the ncix product manager, and then they needed somebody to do videos for them. He decided to/was chosen to do it, so thats how he started ncix tech tips. After awhile, he wanted to make more videos, so he started linustechtips for more casual and quicker to make vidoes. When linustechtips got big, he left ncix, and now is more of a partner than an employee. I think thats about it, though there could be a few small things I missed.
Biferony X Thank's for the answer, I didn't really follow the wan show and would prefer to hear Linus's perspective. Have you ever seen a gaming house review that professional gamers sometimes do? Something like that would be aweeesome!
What's up with the terrible panning transition at the end. The editor couldn't cut out the beginning where the camera man was adjusting it?! Takes 2 seconds.
the xb270hu seemed like a good idea but the overwhelming amount of people complaining about the quality control scares me to much to buy it.
The graphics preview was rubber banding like crazy! Please tell me you were useing your scrap yard build computer for the graphics preview! Lol
Heaven has some stutters no mater what and using a fixed fps camera to record a variable refresh monitor will make the monitor look like its stuttering.
Briggs Guy Run Heaven Benchmark and record it with a camera, watch what the recording does. Cameras record at a fixed refresh rate, so while the refresh rate on the pc is changing, the camera can't catch it, so it looks like it's stuttering. Plus, there are a few spots in Heaven that stutter on purpose so you can check for image ghosting and stuff like that.
Jacob Ashcraft ha, that's a really good idea having deliberate stutters. It's a shame they don't advertise that with an onscreen text or something. I had no idea.
Clay Mann same
Not that i mind, but when showcasing products to your customers i would suggest the following ;
1- Quickly clean the monitor of dust so it looks its best.
(You can still point out that dust will be easily visible.)
2- Make sure to run a benchmark that wont stutter do the monitor can look its best.
(Simply lower the quality of the render or use better hardware)
I'm only saying that because if i had a product i wanted showcased, i would want it done so it look good and that the consumer feel impressed by the image quality, not the stuttering that make the monitor look bad. Especially a Free-Sync monitor.
Love you NCIX. Bought a lot of stuff on your website while building 3 gaming rigs for my friends and i was never disappointed. :)
the headphones holder is the best f*cking idea a gamingmonitor ever had.
The first reasonably priced gsync monitor that has HDMI and display port that's 144hz and 1440p will be my next upgrade. Currently have benq xt2420t 1080p 120hz and the improved headphone thing is amazing since mine is behind the monitor which isnt usable.
Is it still good or are there better much better ones that aren't that expensive?
Still good. I just bought one a couple of weeks ago, and it's impressive, just don't directly compare it to a VA/IPS panel.
I see I'm mentioned at the 8:00 point in the video. (Falkentyne)
I want to know how Benq is going to handle the strobe issues this time?
They already required people to send the screens back just to fix the AMA bug with freesync.
They need to fix the strobe issues and at LEAST Get 100hz strobing working, if not the missing 'single strobe' option, then give a way for people to self-update, even if it required Linux /Ubuntu (there was a third party Linux flasher for the older Z series monitors that flashed through i2c communication).
I spat my drink when you went:VGA?
Tanzu15 I Crie when my monitor is VGA ;~;
Tanzu15 The PC is great at 1080p, VGA will do for now :P
xDamo Mc well what is it?
Uncle Dolan What is what? My rig?
xDamo Mc your pic
Using this still (as my secondary monitor now) such a fantastic monitor have a few dead pixels in the center but other than that it's still going strong.
What's up with the graphics preview lagging like hell?
Ivyk it's running on a 970m
Nice thick bezel, must have been in development for a long time.
Stopped watching at 1:30, TN-Panel? No Thanks.
I'm only buying VA with 2500:1+ contrast ratio.
DreadfulDave you are the sickest bro, wanna share some doritos and mountain dew while we are engaging in coitus?
"display port, port" @ 3:16, while probably correctly said, it's still fun to listen too :P
a headphone holder in the monitor, brilliant!
Shut up and take my money :D
Well this video DIDN'T suck, in fact I'm buying this monitor. Was seriously considering the LG 34 Ultrawide curved monitor, but the refresh rate and response just isn't there, so .... compromises ...ughhh....
0:22 freesync in action
Im a big techy but monitors and visual related software is always something that goes right over my head. I hope I wasnt the only one who had pretty much no clue what he was saying throughout most of this video or what his opinion really was on the monitor right up until the end when he talked about the price to performance :p great vid though
Can i use this on Nvidia cards?
Can you put a potato in a toaster?
I mean it is called "Amd freesync" but I wasnt trying to be a dick. I personally wont buy either until I can switch brands without having to switch monitors.
berzu21 Ty for the answer!
Old Mate Wow, does anybody have a brain in this comment section or all of you animals and think your tough behind a screen. Now how about an intellectual debate. Lets compare the 290, 2year old card about now. 970 brand new card released 8months ago. So what's your point, gpu technology in general has been slow. It's not about competition, truth is even if there was none there are plenty of potential buyers who want the best of the best. Amd vs Nvidia, saying either is better is fruitless. Depends on the circumstances. Amd is going to be the best deal, because of older tech and simpler processes of making the gpus. If you read this far, well your either mad or somehow interested.
One FatBurger
rable rable rable!
I like how the advertisement was in the beginning.
Linus Black t-shirt. Blur... To high ISO?
To where?
C0okieman2009 Too*
Eric Lin ofc you know better. but you're asian
Titan_Craft You don't need to be Asian to know basic English
C0okieman2009 I'm just joking around
music teacher: how high of a note can you hit?
me: you know that video linus gets excited over a headphone holder in? 2:37
music teacher: say no more
30 FPS in GTA 5 pffftt... Peasant!
There was a lot of critique on this very video on vessel as well due to the terrible b-roll and the other quality issues. I wonder why neither of those problems have been fixed while it was up on vessel and not yet on TH-cam.
"Not too shabby" literally means "not that bad". Thats not a good review at all. Use better expressions Linus, or just say it in plain language.
***** I agree, I feel lately they don't communicate properly. When done watching i don't know what's good and what's bad. They say one thing but then another thing then I don't know. Linus must wake up cause the ROG swft is not that good. It's pretty bad actually.
DiceAir Yeah often they are pretty confusing. Being sponsored and getting paid to review are having limitations on what they can say. Or they knowingly say something confusing to be in the middle ground. This is what's known as "selling out". Feel like that is exactly what happened to this channel.
***** Well after this video seems like neither G-sync and Freesync is as good as it meant to be. Looks like both have downsides and i don't know why but for now my Qnix qx2710 will have to do until they can fix the issues. With all the issues with the ROG swift and this monitor/freesync I will stay away from freesync/G-sync for a little while. Regarding the issues with ROG swift, I thought ASUS was so great but no they not. Their QC testing is a joke from what I've heard lately from friends etc and that's not to mention the return policy.
DiceAir Asus is just one of those bottom dwellers, just a tiny bit better than most... maybe.
X3nonEyez Well that's not the only thing. They sometimes for me at least talk in circles and in the end don't know if it's good. Most of the time when I'm done watching I was like ok so the verdict is it good or bad? I don't know. Other reviewers will say what is good and what is bad and then you can decide what you want.
Dude. I still use VGA to this day. Some of us like to use retro devices and those have VGA or lower. No HDMI, DVI, or DP on old computers and game consoles. I'm just glad the Sega Dreamcast has VGA output and it is fairly easy to put it on the first Xbox console.
Great review! Didn't even know about AMD's FreeSync. Checked out those links and the BenQ GTG monitor looks intriguing.
Bought it just 2 weeks ago, awesome performance, still tweaking the ICC settings, monitor settings and nvidia settings, quite a hassle to get rid of the color banding and ghosting. You really have to choose what 1/3 portion of the screen is going to get bad ghosting, I choose the top most portion of the screen, but in games its hardly noticeable. However I couldn't be happier playing at 2k 144hz (from a gtx970).
I have the xl2411z and let me tell you the strobe utility really helps with motion blur, without sacrificing brightness. Not an option with other brands, even those with ulmb as far as i know.
so whats the difference between the XL2730z and the XL2730?
Just a tip: When you record a monitor's quality, shouldn't you use a video recording software on the computer rather than a high end video camera? No matter how good the camera is, it'll still throws off the colors. Changing slightly. Keep up the good work though! Enjoy the videos. :)
I'd like to point out the Motion Blur problem is now fixed with this monitor.. PCper covered it in a video.. The First version of this had that problem.. and Benq fixed it with a Version 2..Buying one now should be all Version 2 or greater..
At least they gave the thing some real buttons, I absolutely despise the capacitive buttons on my XL2420G.
I just built my very first PC today because this channel got me into it, thanks!!!!
Specs?
Idk I'm just interested
DaYogiBear Its around $500
CPU: Intel Core i3 4170
Motherboard: MSI H81M-E34
Graphics Card: MSI Rasdeon R7 260 X OC Edition
Case: Fractal Design 1100
RAM: 8 GB Crucial Ballistix Very Low Profile
And I got the hard drive from my old laptop, I think its a 320 GB Western Digital Blue
***** yeah..since you seem to know more about PC's, can I just add in a hard drive, or do I have to reboot and stuff for windows to do its partitioning or whatever its called...cause I wanna get another hard drive...but I'm not sure if I can
***** thanks man...I've built the PC myself so I know how to ground myself and stuff...,but I'll definitely leave another reply if I have an issue with installing a new hard drive...I already have 320 GB so can you suggest a cheap, good hard drive? Thanks
NVIDIA plus side :
implemented the possibility to disable V-sync in G-sync mode when the frame rate exceeds the refresh rate in the control panel shortly after AMD showed this feature.
G-sync can do 30 hz-144 hz. Below 30 fps, the panel multiplies the refresh rate to always be above 30 hz. If the frame rate goes as low as 10 fps, the panel will triple the refresh rate, and so on.
G-sync now works in windowed mode, on the desktop and other applications too.
AMD plus side :
cheaper
these videos now have a whole lot more meaning for me now cus i recently experienced 120hz gaming(i've been console gaming since my n64) and damn i can't go back
GymGeekGamer Lol, welcome to PC master race community!
Linus, I still use VGA... and I love to see it on newer monitors like this one... :D
The xl2730z headphone jack does not work at native resolution and 144hz. Benq designed this awesome headphone hook and jack on the side but it doesn't work when using the monitor exactly as intended.
Stutter city for that Heaven benchmark Linus; I really wonder if it's your GPU you're using because I really don't remember any of the G-Sync panels having that issue and any of the other FreeSync reviews I've seen showcased that issue.
Hi, please answer i need to find out which monitor is better BenQ XL2730Z or Acer Predator XB270H. Thank you if you will answer.
I have no clue what he said in the beginning but it sounds cool
Got an exam tomorrow but you know, a Linus review video first is nice too :DDD
Looks pretty sweet. Newegg has this monitor on sale for $599.99 USD at time of this posting, so definitely worth it considering that is another $300.00 USD short of Linus' favorite monitor.
good hell, the headphone holder is brilliant! i wish more monitors would have this.
5:13. That is wrong now with the newest drivers. You can disable vsync all together while using gsync now.
A ton of video issues in this, kind of weird. Either way love your videos.
I own this monitor and it's amazing. If you've got a modern AMD card and some cash, your next monitor upgrade should be this one. The downside is that it is a TN panel.
I am using 1080p and in HDMI a had a lot of tearing tgen i used a dvi to HDMI Adapter and dvi output of my graficcard and tearing was blown away^^
Nice , solid review, the type of content that makes you the first hw channel on utube. nicely done.
The VGA is for when you have to troubleshoot some ancient gaming rig or a friend's 10 year old laptop, without having to pull out an older monitor and shift things around on your desk
I love it (I also love how the footage was flipped because you pointed the wrong way at the start), we just did a review of it! (For anyone interested, check out the channel!)
So, what was up with the editing? Same b-roll clip of Linus gaming, and the pan shot of the monitor towards the end needed the start of it trimmed. Anyway, still a hella lot better than most tubers!
The epilepsy warning you guys put in your videos is brilliant, and is one of many reasons you guys are my favourite youtubers. It's something ALL youtubers should be forced into doing. Thank you so much!!!
If other monitors like the new Acer or ASUS monitors come with headset holder I'm sold lol.
probably getting this one in a few weeks.i currently have an nvidia card, but i'm not paying for gsync, and it's also one of the cheapest 144hz 1440p monitors in general. depending on how amd's new cards do i'll get one of those, there's a 0.0001% chance that nvidia stop being assholes about Gsync, otherwise i'm fine without VRR. 570 bucks is an ok price for what you get.
Linus, I've noticed recently that you run the Heaven benchmark on almost lowest settings (no tessellation) why is that?
Great video as always! However I'm sticking with my ROG Swift! The ultra-thin bezel does it for me. Never going back to normal sized bezel monitors!
Linus, no box on that face. Whip that team into shape!
I was under the impression that the recent Nvdia driver update allowed users to set the behaviour of the panel once the VRR (G-Sync limit) is exceeded to either V-Syncing OR tearing as per the users' preference - essentially bringing Freesync's upper-end versatility to G-Sync users.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong/mistaken here.
Smaller than 32"?
Might as well feed the assembly line straight into the local land fill as far as I'm concerned.
Why is half the footage flipped? Started giving me a headache and I got so confused as to what the monitor actually looked like as the buttons and ports kept switching sides.
Linus i know this is probably a very obvious question but what is freesync?
0:23 LOL that lag
I have been using this monitor for over a month and love it. dual 295x2's in crossfire, still waiting on freesync multi gpu support though, cant test freesync until thats fixed because my cards haave 2 gpu on them and I cant turn one off lol. I will say that with freesync enabled I do notice a difference on UFO test.... weird.
If I use ingame console commands to limit max number of fps as, for example, in CSGO, wouldn't that solve the max range problem of freesync and the question of to VSync or to not Vsync??
Just wondering...
I'm sold. Buying now.
Just got one of these off eBay for £220.. except I didn't. Turns out there's an identical looking "Zowie" XL2735 without freesync. Bit of a pisstake really, looking online it SHOULD support freesync too so literally is just a firmware thing. Also it has a different logo on the back.
Won't lose any sleep cos it's still a great price on a really nice monitor, and might be able to hack the firmware anyway, but kinda annoying releasing an updated model then removing features.
OMG Amazing monitor! Now make one that's identical but with G-Sync :P
4:04 mario on the right side, 4:10 mario on the left side
Great reviews as always. You're by far my most favourite pc tech reviewer, Linus!
Thanks for the review. I have a question about this monitor (maybe stupid but seems reasonable to ask in my opinion). So I know you did a review on the Acer XB280HK last year so my question is, if I'm using Nvidia graphics cards/card, is the Benq still a worthwhile pickup? My last monitor was from Benq a 2-3 years ago and had G-sync on it (I think) so I know they make really good monitors. Or, should I go with the Acer? Thanks.
dont critisise vga, redundancy is good ! lots of school projectors and factory/science equipment display through vga
Lol i just bought the 2720z a year ago after watching your review on it.
Good thing is i can't see any reason to ge his one instead. The stand of the new one looks also bad, so i am happy
I still saw tearing on that pole with the freesync turned on.
The monitor is hooked up with a 970m
Have you looked at the HG270HU? (The stand is fixed, but I love the thing)
Can we have 60 fps 1080p rather than 4K 30 fps on the channel Linus. It's just personal preference but I'm sure others would prefer this. Great review by the way ;)
I get your point but when I jump from one video at 60fps to one at 30 fps I realy notice a big difference. However I have a 1080p monitor and bearly notice a difference from 720p to 1080p and 1080p to 4k. Also my internet sucks and 4k is unstreamable for me xD. Thanks for the informing reply ;)
Thanks for the review. Now I now what to buy😃
why is the video mirrored at certain points?
joe_clark not complaining just curious
BenQ XL2730Z vs Acer XF270HU ? what would you choose and why?
What the heck, camera pan? 8:34
I bought this screen last month. It's good, I don't regret it, but I found these little issues: the viewing angles are not so great, and if I set the contrast on more than the default 50 setting, white text screens (browser, word processor) are overly bright and some thin text or light gray shades may not be visible.
Curse of a TN panel I'm afraid.
I've had the same monitor for a little over a year now. I had to look down to see what the base looked like. Just sayin. Also lights or color of any kind on a monitor frame or base is a pretty big buzzkill IMO.
December 8th, 2015 update: AMD announced FreeSync support for HDMI.
6:16 and on, linus show his internal instincts while playing Crysis 3, he actually shoots and moves his mouth like a crazy boy, (y) I know that feel bro :x
what's with the lag in the benchmark ?
Another opinion piece. Where are the calibration settings you used?
8:30 What was that? start recording the b-roll shot while the camera was still setting up?