Oh dear brother, is it not all just pathetic? So many people who are willing to hold onto their pride that is taking then down a very dark path. Thanks for yet another debunker video.
Whenever I need a good laugh I go to Brian Hales website and check his sources:) Once you discredit a handful of the marriages, it really does put the whole narrative into question. I started with Fanny Alger years ago and was shocked at the sources. Brian Hales and the church admit how scarce the sources are but that sure doesn’t stop them from presenting that story as fact.
Nicely done👌. I haven't seen a video on Helen Mar kimball. She supposedly wrote much on her "marriage" to Joseph Smith. Any chance you'll do a video on that one? Maybe also the kirkland temple lot case? 🙏🙂 LOVE YOUR WORK👌💥
@StompMom5 Thank you! I was considering a video about Helen. She did write a lot--much later, of course. Also on my list is a video about parts of the temple lot case, specifically the testimony. Some of it is almost hilariously bad.
Fun fact: The one mentioned in the video, Orson F. Whitney, was Helen Mar Kimball’s son. He and both of his parents made up fake documents and stories in support of polygamy. After all, grandfather Heber C Kimball was one of the first Mormon polygamists, if not the very first. That entire family was oddly obsessed with polygamy. Heber’s wife even recruited other wives for him. That family was simply bonkers.
@IBelieveJoseph Yes, please🙏🙏 That would be so awesome 👌. I have read the temple lot case myself where the even the judge cleared Joseph of such crimes yet Brigham's teachings are still held dear by Too Many.
@@EdmundPatak I totally believe that too. Even Heber's wives and kids outnumber Brigham Young 😝. I can't believe our members are so loyal to the teaching of holy prostitution and pedo...all in the name of God. If only we could speed up this process of awakening the perverted minds of those who believe in eternal womanizing. Ack... all in due time I guess
Whitney and Kingsbury are entangled in two alleged polygamy revelations: the supposed Whitney wedding ceremony revelation as well as section 132. In both cases Kingsbury is asked to protect the alleged polygamy revelation involving Whitney, but in different ways. In the case of section 132, Kingsbury makes a backup copy of the revelation for Whitney. In the case of the alleged wedding revelation, Kingsbury does a pretend marriage on behalf of Whitney. In addition, the two polygamy revelations involving Whitney supposedly came from Joseph Smith, yet neither are in the handwriting of one of Smith’s main scribes. Obviously, section 132 is in Kingsbury’s handwriting, who was a not a scribe. And the original copy of the alleged Whitney Wedding ceremony revelation (if it exists) has not been released. Until proven otherwise, one can assume that it also is not in the handwriting of Smith or one of his scribes.
@@IBelieveJoseph It appears that Kingsbury worked for Whitney. Seemingly, Whitney asked Kingsbury to temporarily marry his young daughter Sarah Ann for about a year. Kingsbury’s short marriage to Sarah Ann was sandwiched between the alleged marriage to Joseph and the long-term polygamous marriage to Heber Kimball. I’m not impressed by Newel that he would be willing to put his daughter through this ordeal. Poor Sarah Anne!
This is a great video! Imagine if there was one of these for each of the wives mentioned on Brian Hales website, the sources for each share similar issues.
I don’t know if you have a video about Fanny Alger yet. That case intrigues me because some sources say that Emma found out about it and Oliver Cowdrey condemned it wholeheartedly. If you have made a video, could you please share the link. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Speaking of lies of omission… your gloss of the Whitney letter is laughably brief and doesn’t make the slightest effort to explain this love letter and what all this sneaking about behind Emma’s back is about. If it’s not plural marriage, it’s very clearly adultery. In Smith’s own hand. Why the secret knocks and the men scouting up ahead before letting the women come inside? What sort of “succour” do you suppose requires a midnight visit and a private room? Seriously….
@hoverboard Hello! I’m sorry, but there’s nothing to indicate the letter is a “love letter.” In fact, everything salacious about it has to be inferred while ignoring clear indications to the contrary, meaning that the scandal only exists in your mind.
@@IBelieveJoseph Hi there! Yes, that's my inference, and I believe that some inference is necessary here to interpret the meaning of the letter- it stresses maintaining secrecy multiple times, and the reader is instructed to burn it after reading it, so... one gets the impression the author is trying to conceal some level of meaning. We must thus infer it. I'm open to other interpretations, though! So- what's your interpretation? Why is it neccesary for a male family member to visit ahead of his female family to ensure Emma isn't there? Why the multiple admonitions to hide the visit from Emma? What's the private room for, and what sort of succor is being provided? And really- why all the cloak and dagger, the burning the letter etc.? If you have an alternate explanation as plausible as "concealed love letter" I think we'd all benefit from hearing it!
@hoverboard I would argue that the instruction to burn the letter is evidence against a hidden meaning. If the real meaning is hidden, what’s the point of burning it? I understand that at the time Joseph wrote the letter, he was hiding from Missouri lawmen who were trying to extradite Joseph. Given public opinion about the Mormons, Joseph would almost certainly have been murdered in Missouri. So he evaded. This letter contains his location, which was a secret-thus the injunction to burn it, the desire to not have his wife and friends there at the same time, the need for NK Whitney to come ahead and make sure it’s safe. In context, everything makes sense. Much more sense than Joseph writing a letter to girl’s parents which is really a love letter for the girl, asking the parents to bring her to have sex with him at someone else’s house without asking that at all, but his wife might be there (so she clearly knows where he is). Nothing holds that story together except an intense desire to believe it’s true.
@@hayterenAgreed. Considering that I grew up knowing hardly anything about Brigham Young means even the church is ashamed of him on some level. I mean... I grew up in the church, going to seminary, institute, all the youth conferences, education week etc.... never once do I remember Brigham or any of the early leaders being taught or discussed. However... Joseph Smith is a huge figure of our faith so he's pretty much the only prophet from the early days we keep close to our heart.
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Fantastic job on this one!
@MichelleBStone Thank you! And thank you for your great work.
Michelle.... You should have this guy on your channel 👌😊.
Yes Michelle, please have him on your show.
Great job! I believe Joseph too.
Thank you!
Oh dear brother, is it not all just pathetic? So many people who are willing to hold onto their pride that is taking then down a very dark path. Thanks for yet another debunker video.
You're very welcome!
Whenever I need a good laugh I go to Brian Hales website and check his sources:)
Once you discredit a handful of the marriages, it really does put the whole narrative into question. I started with Fanny Alger years ago and was shocked at the sources. Brian Hales and the church admit how scarce the sources are but that sure doesn’t stop them from presenting that story as fact.
The questions and absurdities do keep piling up, don't they?
Again well done! Thanks for your research. It has also been my experience that all of these polygamy “evidences“ fall apart upon careful scrutiny.
You didn't need to write quotation marks. Evidence is not proof.
Thank you and you're welcome!
May be true, yet, too many believe those "evidences"
@@hayteren
Nicely done👌. I haven't seen a video on Helen Mar kimball. She supposedly wrote much on her "marriage" to Joseph Smith. Any chance you'll do a video on that one? Maybe also the kirkland temple lot case? 🙏🙂
LOVE YOUR WORK👌💥
@StompMom5 Thank you! I was considering a video about Helen. She did write a lot--much later, of course. Also on my list is a video about parts of the temple lot case, specifically the testimony. Some of it is almost hilariously bad.
Fun fact: The one mentioned in the video, Orson F. Whitney, was Helen Mar Kimball’s son. He and both of his parents made up fake documents and stories in support of polygamy. After all, grandfather Heber C Kimball was one of the first Mormon polygamists, if not the very first. That entire family was oddly obsessed with polygamy. Heber’s wife even recruited other wives for him. That family was simply bonkers.
@IBelieveJoseph Yes, please🙏🙏 That would be so awesome 👌. I have read the temple lot case myself where the even the judge cleared Joseph of such crimes yet Brigham's teachings are still held dear by Too Many.
@@EdmundPatak I totally believe that too. Even Heber's wives and kids outnumber Brigham Young 😝. I can't believe our members are so loyal to the teaching of holy prostitution and pedo...all in the name of God. If only we could speed up this process of awakening the perverted minds of those who believe in eternal womanizing. Ack... all in due time I guess
@EdmundPatak Bonkers indeed💯💯💯! Anyone who calls prostitution doctrine of God needs to have their head examined.
warp speed!! I believe Joseph
Whitney and Kingsbury are entangled in two alleged polygamy revelations: the supposed Whitney wedding ceremony revelation as well as section 132. In both cases Kingsbury is asked to protect the alleged polygamy revelation involving Whitney, but in different ways. In the case of section 132, Kingsbury makes a backup copy of the revelation for Whitney. In the case of the alleged wedding revelation, Kingsbury does a pretend marriage on behalf of Whitney. In addition, the two polygamy revelations involving Whitney supposedly came from Joseph Smith, yet neither are in the handwriting of one of Smith’s main scribes. Obviously, section 132 is in Kingsbury’s handwriting, who was a not a scribe. And the original copy of the alleged Whitney Wedding ceremony revelation (if it exists) has not been released. Until proven otherwise, one can assume that it also is not in the handwriting of Smith or one of his scribes.
@Jjj53214 Great analysis!
@@IBelieveJoseph It appears that Kingsbury worked for Whitney. Seemingly, Whitney asked Kingsbury to temporarily marry his young daughter Sarah Ann for about a year. Kingsbury’s short marriage to Sarah Ann was sandwiched between the alleged marriage to Joseph and the long-term polygamous marriage to Heber Kimball. I’m not impressed by Newel that he would be willing to put his daughter through this ordeal. Poor Sarah Anne!
Thanks for putting this together, very informative.
You're welcome! Glad you liked it.
This is a great video! Imagine if there was one of these for each of the wives mentioned on Brian Hales website, the sources for each share similar issues.
Brian Hales does research like this....
🙈🙉🙈🙉🙈🙉🙈🙈
He's not so secret in his hopes the church will bring it back.
@Commenter2121 Thank you! I might do others in the future. Some of the evidence is even worse, like for Louisa Beaman.
Keep on the good work, sir!
Thank you!
I don’t know if you have a video about Fanny Alger yet. That case intrigues me because some sources say that Emma found out about it and Oliver Cowdrey condemned it wholeheartedly.
If you have made a video, could you please share the link.
Thank you and keep up the good work.
@Giguere2011 Thanks for your comment! I have not made a video about Fanny. I will add it to my list. Thanks!
Speaking of lies of omission… your gloss of the Whitney letter is laughably brief and doesn’t make the slightest effort to explain this love letter and what all this sneaking about behind Emma’s back is about. If it’s not plural marriage, it’s very clearly adultery. In Smith’s own hand. Why the secret knocks and the men scouting up ahead before letting the women come inside? What sort of “succour” do you suppose requires a midnight visit and a private room? Seriously….
@hoverboard Hello! I’m sorry, but there’s nothing to indicate the letter is a “love letter.” In fact, everything salacious about it has to be inferred while ignoring clear indications to the contrary, meaning that the scandal only exists in your mind.
@@IBelieveJoseph Hi there! Yes, that's my inference, and I believe that some inference is necessary here to interpret the meaning of the letter- it stresses maintaining secrecy multiple times, and the reader is instructed to burn it after reading it, so... one gets the impression the author is trying to conceal some level of meaning. We must thus infer it. I'm open to other interpretations, though! So- what's your interpretation? Why is it neccesary for a male family member to visit ahead of his female family to ensure Emma isn't there? Why the multiple admonitions to hide the visit from Emma? What's the private room for, and what sort of succor is being provided? And really- why all the cloak and dagger, the burning the letter etc.? If you have an alternate explanation as plausible as "concealed love letter" I think we'd all benefit from hearing it!
@hoverboard I would argue that the instruction to burn the letter is evidence against a hidden meaning. If the real meaning is hidden, what’s the point of burning it?
I understand that at the time Joseph wrote the letter, he was hiding from Missouri lawmen who were trying to extradite Joseph. Given public opinion about the Mormons, Joseph would almost certainly have been murdered in Missouri. So he evaded. This letter contains his location, which was a secret-thus the injunction to burn it, the desire to not have his wife and friends there at the same time, the need for NK Whitney to come ahead and make sure it’s safe. In context, everything makes sense. Much more sense than Joseph writing a letter to girl’s parents which is really a love letter for the girl, asking the parents to bring her to have sex with him at someone else’s house without asking that at all, but his wife might be there (so she clearly knows where he is). Nothing holds that story together except an intense desire to believe it’s true.
The church of brigham young of latter day saints?🤨
I thought I heard a rumor of a possible name change in the near future...
What?? I haven't heard such thing. Am I missing something?
@StompMom5 I heard someone say, (a friend of a friend), something about that on social media. So...
@@StompMom5 the name change is as likely as Joseph Smith not being involved in polygamy.
@@hayterenAgreed. Considering that I grew up knowing hardly anything about Brigham Young means even the church is ashamed of him on some level. I mean... I grew up in the church, going to seminary, institute, all the youth conferences, education week etc.... never once do I remember Brigham or any of the early leaders being taught or discussed. However... Joseph Smith is a huge figure of our faith so he's pretty much the only prophet from the early days we keep close to our heart.