Watching the horrors of “russian peace” unfolding in Ukraine for almost two years now should leave no doubt that the civilized nations need to up their game and continue to support Ukraine to the fullest. 🇺🇦✌️
yes ,and ultimately western defense spending has to immediately ramp up to fully modernize and right-size, ie e.g. in U.K's case, they have to dramatically expand capability and size, after dramatic downsizing over past 20 yrs. Ru timed this perfectly. (similar ideal timing re U.S. forces apparent abilities. I'm a yank, and i'm a non hawk, yet the past fifteen years has shown truly steady-state aggesive primal dark elements globally that need thwarting to the 100% thwart status. Illiberal forces and movements and other regressive b.s. is part of that threat. Within 15 yrs there is at least 50% chance of Ru other related entities like Iran, engaging w/ Nato forces.
Agreed Terrorist are getting braver because west is dragging it out...putin networking with Iran and Hamas resulted in that huge attack on Israel...On putin's birthday...to distract and detract from Ukraine. ~~Republicans being allowed to prop up trumps Autocracy goal are crumbling democracy ...putin's world order Zelensky's passion of bonding with people thru comedy and songs has led him to this most important role for Ukrainians *And for a better world.* For goodness sake, NOW is the time to stop tyrants striving for a dystopian world💪🇺🇦=💪🌐🕊️
Jonathan, one of your comments regarding the interviews done with Russian POWs was particularly revelatory and that was. "these individuals have no concept of society beyond their immediate self-interest." My overarching view of the Russian mindset towards the rest of the world was transformed by this observation. Thank you for that and yet another great interview.
@@SiliconCurtaindid you already get in a contact with him? If we are talking about Volodymyr Zolkin I might have the possibility to get in contact with him?
I understand Ms Beketova’s concerns about the length of time Russia occupies Ukrainian territory. Some young people probably won’t come back mentally from Russian indoctrination. Thank you for this wonderful guest.
What worries me even more is the fate of thousands of Ukrainian children forcibly deported, torn from their parents, to Russia, will they ever be repatriated? The West should fully embrace the Ukrainian peace plan, their dithering and lack of backbone is costing lives and time.
@@yourgopnikcomrade Not if a person is immersed and isolated in the new environment (esp. if it's from a young age). It can take as little as just a few years to flip a person. And damage, done in 1-2 generations can be severe and irreversible. I've seen a number of specific examples of that.
@@dkudlayYour claim to be Ukrainian is interesting. Your channel gives your name as Dimitry Kudlay. Dimitry is a Russian transliteration. The Ukrainian equivalent name is normally Dmitry or Dmytro. In 2014 there was only one person with the family name Kudlay registered as a citizen of Ukraine. Most people with that family name lived in Stavropol in the Russian Federation and were citizens of the Russian Federation. So you are either unique in being the only Kudlay registered as a citizen of Ukraine who is old enough to have a TH-cam account or you are lying about being a Ukrainian.
wonderful interview! Elina is sooo impressive! And she is right, you Jonathan have been, i think THE voice for Ukraine during most of this historic attack on civilization and on a ppl who didn't have anything like adequate defenses to start with but made do (many ppl dn' t realize that the first four months saw NO western military assistance to speak of, for any number of reasons). Thank you Jonathan, and i hope u take close care of you and yours, bcuz the elements of darkness from the Ru, certainly have your number, so to speak. If i were you, i'd have my head on swivel. (means be very aware of surroundings). Hate to make life unpleasant or tense, but if i were you, i'd only be relaxed if i did the things like vary routes frequently, etc.
Excellent conversation Jonathan. I am glad you had Elina back on. Her knowledge and perspective are very informative. I hope you will have her on again in the future.
Great guest Elina, and that was a very good insight Johnathan, that this is also a clash of two systems, law based against lawlessness. It's amazing that at this late stage, so many of our western leaders and political analysts still don't really get it, does it ever occur to them to listen to Ukrainians about what is happening in Ukraine, the horrors of Russkiy Mir?
it's impossible im in Ukraine, live in news cycle 24/7 for 2 years now. still have no clue. for ppl outside ukraine - it's impossible to know even 1/10 of what's going on. is Putin dead or alive? I have no idea. Is Biden want's Ukraine to be occupied, is Ukraine today, it's like Poland 80 years ago? how do we know who wants what? all i know - is that im not fighting for this Sh*****t let Biden or Zelensky go 1 vs 1 with Putin. it's their war, not mine
I don't know if it's possible to have media without bias. There are many credible sources that are biased, e.g. the Financial Times. It's biased towards the operators in the financial sector and not, say, homeless kittens. Imo, truthfulness is more important (factual reporting). That includes being upfront about one's biases and educating people to be critical consumers of media.
Thank you Jonathan another great guest! and how beautiful our brothers and sisters are rebuilding their lives and their cities!!!! We are with the peoples of Ukraine! A feeling of solidarity people would never feel in orcland. SLAVA UKRAINI and HEROYAM SLAVA!!!! ❤ 🕊️ ☮️ 🇺🇦🌞💙🌻🌻🌻
Hey, do you live in an apt, couple stories up on the canal? On my way to Canary Islands I had a 7 hr layover in Amsterdam and took a tour on the 'Loves' boats the black and orange ones and I saw a Ukrainian flag while on the tour. Would be funny if it was yours 👍 The date was Nov 15th Cheers and Slava Ukraine ❤
Jonathan, do you ever get tired of talking to intelligent, compassionate and beautiful Ukrainian women? No need to answer. My big takeaway from this was that you both highlighted the plight of Ukrainian people living under occupation. We forget that the people there are Ukrainian, not russians, and are under constant threat , constant fear, constantly subjected to propaganda, constantly being twisted and distorted and subverted into the ruskie mir. It's sickening, terrifying and is another example of a war crime. Thank you for enlightening us and highlighting these issues. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇬🇧💙💛
Great interview! Regarding the prisoner interviews: it would be awesome to see you interview Zolkin or Apostle Dmytro. You could always interview them in Russian and dub the English in after. Their interviews have been critical for me to frame the war in my own mind and to remind me that Moscow is the creepy façade that hides a grim reality. 💙💛
Thank you both in advance for this interesting interview. I came across her by chance (Alghoritmen) only a few days ago and immediately understood that Ms. Bekatova is familiar with her subject areas à fond. So far, one learns rather little about the effects in the occupied territories in the normal media ❤️🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦❤️.
The simplest thing I can say is that the potentially upcoming interview with an interrogator may shed some valuable insights into logical contradictions which fuel actions based around the distortion of reality. Alot of light is being shed in this conversation and I hope people will listen and reflect the realities touched upon here. Another enlightening interview. Slava Ukraini.
I have seen the subtitled work of Volodymir Zolkin, and also the very well dubbed Zolkin interviews done by Rick The Ukrainian. I think it would be great if you could get either or both of them on your channel. If you can dub/subtitle in English then Russian would still work I think.
08:15 this section regarding the wounded RF soldier’s reasoning and the doctor’s retort is crystalline. CEPA is such a valuable project. Thanks once again Silicon Curtain.
In the last minutes they bring it to the point: It's a question of 'the system'. I always struggled to divide populations by their language or culture. Those get mixed over the continents all the time and I'm fine with that. It's a question how to behave with each other. Who not has a 'strange neighbor' but you still can coexist?
@@gintasvilkelis2544 Absolutely. Human mankind seems not to able to achieve this. EU with open borders - near to collapse. UN - toothless tiger. Instead we build new walls, new fences, new borders or start a new war. Crazy: Many wars no longer are fought about resources in terms of gold, silver etc. It's about the mindset of a population. I will think about my own words - maybe this could become a profitable business... A la "If I don't do it, sooner or later the other will do it".
Anne Applebaum also workd with The Reckoning Project and her talk They Didn't Understand Anything... is full of powerful stories of what exactly happens to those left with the russians. Horrific but important to talk about, as with Elina's points. Would love to see anyone from The Reckoning Project here!
@@richardamullens The peddling of russian propaganda does not give balance. The spreading of lies does not give balance. Goebbels, as Hitler's propaganda chief, did not bring balance. Trolls spread hate and excuses. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇬🇧💙💛
@@TheAmericanDreamLivesTell me why Russia invaded then. Hint, it is not because Russia wanted the territory of Ukraine. Do you have any idea of why Russia decided to invade ?
@@richardamullens Hello again, Ivan! Lovely to hear from you again. How is St Petersburg tonight? Why did russia invade? You really want to know? Well, you have already told me it's not for land so I'm guessing you know the answer...🤔 This is a tough one...🤔 I hope it's not a trick question 😮 No wait! I have the answer! I remember now! The Poo Tin and liarov have said it many times. It's the Americans! They MADE you do it. Yes, the USA. America. It's all their fault. Blame America. Blame the USA. They forced you to attack your Slavic brothers! They also made you invade Afghanistan and Georgia and Chechnya! How dare they! And before that, around 1939, they made you invade Finland and steal about 10% of its land. Damn those Yankees! How did I do, Ivan? Did I win a prize 🏆 😂😂😂 Have a great day my friend and keep spreading the nonsense. 🇬🇧🇺🇦💛💙😘
The usa and nato should give them the tools to end it and not nibble at it no uther army would do wat thay are dooing mine feilds by hand usa and nato would never ever do that GIVE THEM THE TOOLS B4 THAY NEED THEM AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES BULL SHIT GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TOOLS WHY AINT GERMANY NOT GIVING TOURAS IF THAY HAD THE TOOLS WEN THAY NEED THEM THE WAR WOULDA BEEN OVER BY NOW
Agree if the west gave the weapons in a timeouse manner Russia would be back in their own country and explaining how over quarter of a million died and for what Russki Mir
I hope that it is understood what the F-16 provides. The long range radar and the air-to-air will allow for the beyond visual range avoidance and offensive air-to-air. All of the training would be related to the radar and the maneuvers at BVR. The BVR will allow the capability to protect the frontline because it will force the adversary into BVR as well. A way to equalize the frontline. I hope Ukraine can win the sky with them but we still need to be producing shells and barrels and sending them. It’s critical.
So tragic for occupied Ukrainians! So why not complete the negotiations in March 2022 (or after the successful Sep 2022 campaign) to save so many Ukrainians from occupation? Screw what the American (and British) manipulators insisted - Ukrainians come first and this is their people and their lands.🇺🇦 Yes, Crimea would've stayed in Russian hands with Donetsk and Luhansk autonomous within a neutral Ukraine (something for these people to "evolve towards justice" over upcoming years - but, now, we will have almost the entire Black Sea coast occupied by Russia next year. Who wants this latter inevitable brutish option? And why must we invent a lie about a newly minted Putler so that the American security state can justify its "Don't negotiate for your land while relatively strong; keep dreaming of entering nato til half your land is destroyed" folly. Human beings matter more than a competition of stories👨👩👧👦
Ok,so you would negotiate if your land was being stolen and your people killed and raped? What makes you think Putin would stop at Crimea? Can't you see that he's obsessed with reviving the Frankenstein monster called the USSR. I can't believe how naive you people are, any agreement with Putin is only temporary until he builds up his military and tries again. What happened in Moldova in 1992 and Georgia in 1993/2008? Exactly the same narratives as in 2013 onwards about nazis and fascists, I guess they're too lazy and just use recycled propaganda.
Jonathan, your guest illustrates the huge obstacle Ukraine has in insisting that Ukrainians and Russians are WAY DIFFERENT. It is a denial of reality. Most Ukrainians have Russian relatives. Most Russians have Ukrainian relatives. The countries have been thoroughly intermixed for three centuries. They watch the same movies, love the same music, have endured the same hardships, have the same fatalistic sense of humor, search for the same грибы, love the same Orthodox Church. Banderites can insist "кацап не брат" or imply that Russians are Untermenschen or "orks", but once you get outside of Volyn or Lviv or Ivano-frankivsk that Third Reich stuff rings hollow. Most Ukrainians know in their hearts that Russians ARE their sisters and brothers. Ukrainians also suspect that when they eventually reject the EU's LGBT program, or stop sacrificing men, that Ukraine will probably become a pariah and she might want to возращаеться домой.
If the Ukrainians love Russia, why have the Ukrainian soldiers (many of them Russian-speakers) killed more than 300,000 Russian invaders? Conversely, why have Russian invaders raped thousands of Russian-speaking Ukrainian women?
So anyone who doesn't want the Russian world is a Banderite or Nazi? Many Irish people have relatives in England but that doesn't mean they want to be part of the English world. How do you people get so easily manipulated? Belgium used to be part of the Netherlands and I'm sure many have relatives on the other side of the border, but Belgium isn't being invaded by Dutch troops to make them part of the Dutch world.
@@stefansekulic7903, Here is a clip of a Ukrainian military funeral with full Third Reich regalia, including swastika helmets.....th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxPmwo2N3qzpk9n4fQ8JwDmeOnnEOsuHfh?si=MPQC8oVmxUCUFlpS I am certain that MOST normal Ukrainians would be horrified to see such an abomination. Not so in Lviv and in other parts of old Galicia. 🙁 Many people there think the wrong side won WWII. Ukraine's fatal error was to let those people infiltrate the central government and broadcast their hatred. Russia was content to let those people hang out in the west and have their little remembrances. But when the US injected those people into Kyiv and tried to remake Ukrainian society in that image: Bandera birthday marches, shrinkwrapping gypsies to lampposts, fining shopowners for speaking Russian, saying they would invade Crimea, become a missile launching pad for NATO, etc. THAT not only was seen as casus belli by Putin, but by most normal Russians.
Great story about a woman why left Mariupol, and now goes between Mariupol and Saint Pitersburg. why isn't she coming to live in Ukraine? isn't that telling? And there are over a million of people like that, who have flown from ukraine to russian because of war. voluntarily. and they are not coming beck to ukraine... i wonder why? - no I actually don't.
Those are the Muscovite migrants shipped to Ukraine in millions during the Muscovite occupation in order to replace the Ukrainians murdered in three genocides of 1921, 1932 and 1946. Most of them hate everything Ukrainian hysterically and thus are returning back to Muscovy, as simple as that.
You clearly misheard. She was referring to a Russian woman who moved to Mariupol from St Petersburg. Subsequently, Mariupol was not what she was expecting and now she is moving backwards and forwards between St Petersburg and Mariupol. The only thing about it that is telling is that the Russian government must be desperate in its attempts to ship Russian citizens into occupied Ukrainian territory.
Of course, and the earth is flat, right. Seems you believe every trash that you hear on RT. Please move ahead, in this channel the audience is educated.
200,000 people brought to Mariupol? This is a lie. This lady is crazy. The lady knows only one Russian city Saint Petersburg which is 1000 miles away from Ukraine. Why this lady do not tell why 3mln Ukrainians fled to Russia and not to Ukraine, and why these people do no leave Russia? The borders are totally open...
Who fled to Russia? Why don't you say how many Russians have run away from mobilisation? How's the Russian population constantly shrinking if so many people want to live in that paradise? The Russians created chaos in Ukraine and almost 10 million Ukrainians have been displaced.
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Watching the horrors of “russian peace” unfolding in Ukraine for almost two years now should leave no doubt that the civilized nations need to up their game and continue to support Ukraine to the fullest. 🇺🇦✌️
Yes reminds me of Tacitus, quoting a Caledonian chieftain, saying the Romans create a desert and call it peace...😮...E...
yes ,and ultimately western defense spending has to immediately ramp up to fully modernize and right-size, ie e.g. in U.K's case, they have to dramatically expand capability and size, after dramatic downsizing over past 20 yrs. Ru timed this perfectly. (similar ideal timing re U.S. forces apparent abilities. I'm a yank, and i'm a non hawk, yet the past fifteen years has shown truly steady-state aggesive primal dark elements globally that need thwarting to the 100% thwart status. Illiberal forces and movements and other regressive b.s. is part of that threat. Within 15 yrs there is at least 50% chance of Ru other related entities like Iran, engaging w/ Nato forces.
If that’s peace I’d hate to see what the call war
Agreed Terrorist are getting braver because west is dragging it out...putin networking with Iran and Hamas resulted in that huge attack on Israel...On putin's birthday...to distract and detract from Ukraine. ~~Republicans being allowed to prop up trumps Autocracy goal are crumbling democracy ...putin's world order
Zelensky's passion of bonding with people thru comedy and songs has led him to this most important role for Ukrainians *And for a better world.* For goodness sake, NOW is the time to stop tyrants striving for a dystopian world💪🇺🇦=💪🌐🕊️
Jonathan, one of your comments regarding the interviews done with Russian POWs was particularly revelatory and that was. "these individuals have no concept of society beyond their immediate self-interest." My overarching view of the Russian mindset towards the rest of the world was transformed by this observation. Thank you for that and yet another great interview.
👍👍👍 I’m going to try and get the guy who does these interviews on the channel!
@@SiliconCurtaindid you already get in a contact with him? If we are talking about Volodymyr Zolkin I might have the possibility to get in contact with him?
Thank you, Jonathan and Elina. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
I understand Ms Beketova’s concerns about the length of time Russia occupies Ukrainian territory. Some young people probably won’t come back mentally from Russian indoctrination. Thank you for this wonderful guest.
What worries me even more is the fate of thousands of Ukrainian children forcibly deported, torn from their parents, to Russia, will they ever be repatriated? The West should fully embrace the Ukrainian peace plan, their dithering and lack of backbone is costing lives and time.
No need to worry. People retain their national identity even after centuries of occupation.
@@yourgopnikcomrade Not if a person is immersed and isolated in the new environment (esp. if it's from a young age). It can take as little as just a few years to flip a person. And damage, done in 1-2 generations can be severe and irreversible. I've seen a number of specific examples of that.
@@dkudlayYour claim to be Ukrainian is interesting. Your channel gives your name as Dimitry Kudlay. Dimitry is a Russian transliteration. The Ukrainian equivalent name is normally Dmitry or Dmytro. In 2014 there was only one person with the family name Kudlay registered as a citizen of Ukraine. Most people with that family name lived in Stavropol in the Russian Federation and were citizens of the Russian Federation. So you are either unique in being the only Kudlay registered as a citizen of Ukraine who is old enough to have a TH-cam account or you are lying about being a Ukrainian.
Great interview again
Thanks to all y'all at CEPA! 🍻
Jonathan, you have such interesting guests and often a different slant on Ukraine's story. Thank you for the insights.
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wonderful interview! Elina is sooo impressive! And she is right, you Jonathan have been, i think THE voice for Ukraine during most of this historic attack on civilization and on a ppl who didn't have anything like adequate defenses to start with but made do (many ppl dn' t realize that the first four months saw NO western military assistance to speak of, for any number of reasons). Thank you Jonathan, and i hope u take close care of you and yours, bcuz the elements of darkness from the Ru, certainly have your number, so to speak. If i were you, i'd have my head on swivel. (means be very aware of surroundings). Hate to make life unpleasant or tense, but if i were you, i'd only be relaxed if i did the things like vary routes frequently, etc.
I guess there is a little brown file being collated for sure. Well, **** Putin and his cronies.
So interesting and informative as so many of your guests are. We are very lucky to have this channel Jonathan.
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Excellent conversation Jonathan. I am glad you had Elina back on. Her knowledge and perspective are very informative. I hope you will have her on again in the future.
Great guest Elina, and that was a very good insight Johnathan, that this is also a clash of two systems, law based against lawlessness.
It's amazing that at this late stage, so many of our western leaders and political analysts still don't really get it, does it ever occur to them to listen to Ukrainians about what is happening in Ukraine, the horrors of Russkiy Mir?
Keep up the good work, we needed understanding of the whole situation and the first step of this is the media with out any bias.
it's impossible
im in Ukraine, live in news cycle 24/7 for 2 years now. still have no clue.
for ppl outside ukraine - it's impossible to know even 1/10 of what's going on.
is Putin dead or alive? I have no idea.
Is Biden want's Ukraine to be occupied, is Ukraine today, it's like Poland 80 years ago? how do we know who wants what?
all i know - is that im not fighting for this Sh*****t
let Biden or Zelensky go 1 vs 1 with Putin. it's their war, not mine
I don't know if it's possible to have media without bias. There are many credible sources that are biased, e.g. the Financial Times. It's biased towards the operators in the financial sector and not, say, homeless kittens.
Imo, truthfulness is more important (factual reporting). That includes being upfront about one's biases and educating people to be critical consumers of media.
Interesting discussion as ever. 👍🏻🇬🇧
Another great discussion, thank you 👍
In a lawless state, being nice doesn't work. Only threats, terror and violence will get you what you want. Scary.
Elina and Jonathan, this is a wonderful interview, and all of your excellent work is so greatly appreciated! 🌈🙏🏻🙌🏼🌍
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Thank you Jonathan another great guest! and how beautiful our brothers and sisters are rebuilding their lives and their cities!!!! We are with the peoples of Ukraine! A feeling of solidarity people would never feel in orcland. SLAVA UKRAINI and HEROYAM SLAVA!!!! ❤ 🕊️ ☮️ 🇺🇦🌞💙🌻🌻🌻
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Bought my Ukrainian flag 2 days ago and now it hangs in front of my window in center Amsterdam!
Greetings from the Netherlands.
Hey, do you live in an apt, couple stories up on the canal? On my way to Canary Islands I had a 7 hr layover in Amsterdam and took a tour on the 'Loves' boats the black and orange ones and I saw a Ukrainian flag while on the tour. Would be funny if it was yours 👍 The date was Nov 15th
Cheers and Slava Ukraine ❤
Jonathan, do you ever get tired of talking to intelligent, compassionate and beautiful Ukrainian women? No need to answer.
My big takeaway from this was that you both highlighted the plight of Ukrainian people living under occupation. We forget that the people there are Ukrainian, not russians, and are under constant threat , constant fear, constantly subjected to propaganda, constantly being twisted and distorted and subverted into the ruskie mir. It's sickening, terrifying and is another example of a war crime.
Thank you for enlightening us and highlighting these issues.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇬🇧💙💛
Most informative, many thanks. A clash of systems yes, but essentially right against wrong.
Yes - one system that is a net generator of wealth, freedom and innovation, and another that diminishes it, like a parasite 🦠 feeding strategy…
Apologies from me at Clabby Towers...will catch up...best wishes from the wirral peninsula...E...
Great interview! Regarding the prisoner interviews: it would be awesome to see you interview Zolkin or Apostle Dmytro. You could always interview them in Russian and dub the English in after. Their interviews have been critical for me to frame the war in my own mind and to remind me that Moscow is the creepy façade that hides a grim reality. 💙💛
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There you go! You heard it here, straight from the source. Jono entails all the qualities of Ukrainians! Slava Ukrayini!
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@@SiliconCurtain Heroyam Slava!!!
Thank you both in advance for this interesting interview. I came across her by chance (Alghoritmen) only a few days ago and immediately understood that Ms. Bekatova is familiar with her subject areas à fond. So far, one learns rather little about the effects in the occupied territories in the normal media ❤️🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦❤️.
The simplest thing I can say is that the potentially upcoming interview with an interrogator may shed some valuable insights into logical contradictions which fuel actions based around the distortion of reality. Alot of light is being shed in this conversation and I hope people will listen and reflect the realities touched upon here. Another enlightening interview. Slava Ukraini.
interesting, thanks
I have seen the subtitled work of Volodymir Zolkin, and also the very well dubbed Zolkin interviews done by Rick The Ukrainian. I think it would be great if you could get either or both of them on your channel. If you can dub/subtitle in English then Russian would still work I think.
I’m trying, as he would be a fascinating guest.
08:15 this section regarding the wounded RF soldier’s reasoning and the doctor’s retort is crystalline. CEPA is such a valuable project. Thanks once again Silicon Curtain.
Slava Ukraini, from Denmark
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In the last minutes they bring it to the point: It's a question of 'the system'. I always struggled to divide populations by their language or culture. Those get mixed over the continents all the time and I'm fine with that. It's a question how to behave with each other. Who not has a 'strange neighbor' but you still can coexist?
Coexisting works _only_ when _both_ sides want that.
@@gintasvilkelis2544 Absolutely. Human mankind seems not to able to achieve this. EU with open borders - near to collapse. UN - toothless tiger. Instead we build new walls, new fences, new borders or start a new war.
Crazy: Many wars no longer are fought about resources in terms of gold, silver etc. It's about the mindset of a population.
I will think about my own words - maybe this could become a profitable business... A la "If I don't do it, sooner or later the other will do it".
Slava Ukrayini Geroyam Slava !!!
Anne Applebaum also workd with The Reckoning Project and her talk They Didn't Understand Anything... is full of powerful stories of what exactly happens to those left with the russians.
Horrific but important to talk about, as with Elina's points.
Would love to see anyone from The Reckoning Project here!
Jonathan is as interesting as his guests.
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Trolls here means this channel speaks truth
Absolutely 🇬🇧🇺🇦💛💙
"Trolls" here are to give balance
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The peddling of russian propaganda does not give balance. The spreading of lies does not give balance. Goebbels, as Hitler's propaganda chief, did not bring balance. Trolls spread hate and excuses.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦🇬🇧💙💛
@@TheAmericanDreamLivesTell me why Russia invaded then. Hint, it is not because Russia wanted the territory of Ukraine. Do you have any idea of why Russia decided to invade ?
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Hello again, Ivan! Lovely to hear from you again. How is St Petersburg tonight?
Why did russia invade? You really want to know?
Well, you have already told me it's not for land so I'm guessing you know the answer...🤔
This is a tough one...🤔
I hope it's not a trick question 😮
No wait! I have the answer! I remember now! The Poo Tin and liarov have said it many times. It's the Americans! They MADE you do it. Yes, the USA. America. It's all their fault. Blame America. Blame the USA. They forced you to attack your Slavic brothers! They also made you invade Afghanistan and Georgia and Chechnya! How dare they! And before that, around 1939, they made you invade Finland and steal about 10% of its land. Damn those Yankees!
How did I do, Ivan? Did I win a prize 🏆 😂😂😂
Have a great day my friend and keep spreading the nonsense. 🇬🇧🇺🇦💛💙😘
Informative.
For once a good ad on Yt.
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Thanks for the info and a Great Stream again..💙💛💙
The usa and nato should give them the tools to end it and not nibble at it no uther army would do wat thay are dooing mine feilds by hand usa and nato would never ever do that GIVE THEM THE TOOLS B4 THAY NEED THEM AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES BULL SHIT
GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TOOLS WHY AINT GERMANY NOT GIVING TOURAS
IF THAY HAD THE TOOLS WEN THAY NEED THEM THE WAR WOULDA BEEN OVER BY NOW
Agree if the west gave the weapons in a timeouse manner Russia would be back in their own country and explaining how over quarter of a million died and for what Russki Mir
I hope that it is understood what the F-16 provides. The long range radar and the air-to-air will allow for the beyond visual range avoidance and offensive air-to-air. All of the training would be related to the radar and the maneuvers at BVR. The BVR will allow the capability to protect the frontline because it will force the adversary into BVR as well. A way to equalize the frontline. I hope Ukraine can win the sky with them but we still need to be producing shells and barrels and sending them. It’s critical.
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Some one worked out that it’s going to take 534 years to clear Ukraine of mines 🤔that’s an insane number of mines
So tragic for occupied Ukrainians!
So why not complete the negotiations in March 2022 (or after the successful Sep 2022 campaign) to save so many Ukrainians from occupation?
Screw what the American (and British) manipulators insisted - Ukrainians come first and this is their people and their lands.🇺🇦
Yes, Crimea would've stayed in Russian hands with Donetsk and Luhansk autonomous within a neutral Ukraine (something for these people to "evolve towards justice" over upcoming years - but, now, we will have almost the entire Black Sea coast occupied by Russia next year. Who wants this latter inevitable brutish option?
And why must we invent a lie about a newly minted Putler so that the American security state can justify its "Don't negotiate for your land while relatively strong; keep dreaming of entering nato til half your land is destroyed" folly.
Human beings matter more than a competition of stories👨👩👧👦
Ok,so you would negotiate if your land was being stolen and your people killed and raped? What makes you think Putin would stop at Crimea? Can't you see that he's obsessed with reviving the Frankenstein monster called the USSR. I can't believe how naive you people are, any agreement with Putin is only temporary until he builds up his military and tries again. What happened in Moldova in 1992 and Georgia in 1993/2008? Exactly the same narratives as in 2013 onwards about nazis and fascists, I guess they're too lazy and just use recycled propaganda.
You can write 100 such stories a day. It's cheap. Even Jen Psaki could do it.
Jonathan,
your guest illustrates the huge obstacle Ukraine has in insisting that Ukrainians and Russians are WAY DIFFERENT. It is a denial of reality. Most Ukrainians have Russian relatives. Most Russians have Ukrainian relatives. The countries have been thoroughly intermixed for three centuries. They watch the same movies, love the same music, have endured the same hardships, have the same fatalistic sense of humor, search for the same грибы, love the same Orthodox Church.
Banderites can insist "кацап не брат" or imply that Russians are Untermenschen or "orks", but once you get outside of Volyn or Lviv or Ivano-frankivsk that Third Reich stuff rings hollow. Most Ukrainians know in their hearts that Russians ARE their sisters and brothers. Ukrainians also suspect that when they eventually reject the EU's LGBT program, or stop sacrificing men, that Ukraine will probably become a pariah and she might want to возращаеться домой.
If the Ukrainians love Russia, why have the Ukrainian soldiers (many of them Russian-speakers) killed more than 300,000 Russian invaders?
Conversely, why have Russian invaders raped thousands of Russian-speaking Ukrainian women?
So anyone who doesn't want the Russian world is a Banderite or Nazi? Many Irish people have relatives in England but that doesn't mean they want to be part of the English world. How do you people get so easily manipulated? Belgium used to be part of the Netherlands and I'm sure many have relatives on the other side of the border, but Belgium isn't being invaded by Dutch troops to make them part of the Dutch world.
@@stefansekulic7903,
Here is a clip of a Ukrainian military funeral with full Third Reich regalia, including swastika helmets.....th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxPmwo2N3qzpk9n4fQ8JwDmeOnnEOsuHfh?si=MPQC8oVmxUCUFlpS
I am certain that MOST normal Ukrainians would be horrified to see such an abomination. Not so in Lviv and in other parts of old Galicia. 🙁
Many people there think the wrong side won WWII.
Ukraine's fatal error was to let those people infiltrate the central government and broadcast their hatred. Russia was content to let those people hang out in the west and have their little remembrances. But when the US injected those people into Kyiv and tried to remake Ukrainian society in that image: Bandera birthday marches, shrinkwrapping gypsies to lampposts, fining shopowners for speaking Russian, saying they would invade Crimea, become a missile launching pad for NATO, etc. THAT not only was seen as casus belli by Putin, but by most normal Russians.
Great story about a woman why left Mariupol, and now goes between Mariupol and Saint Pitersburg.
why isn't she coming to live in Ukraine? isn't that telling?
And there are over a million of people like that, who have flown from ukraine to russian because of war. voluntarily. and they are not coming beck to ukraine... i wonder why? - no I actually don't.
Those are the Muscovite migrants shipped to Ukraine in millions during the Muscovite occupation in order to replace the Ukrainians murdered in three genocides of 1921, 1932 and 1946. Most of them hate everything Ukrainian hysterically and thus are returning back to Muscovy, as simple as that.
You clearly misheard. She was referring to a Russian woman who moved to Mariupol from St Petersburg. Subsequently, Mariupol was not what she was expecting and now she is moving backwards and forwards between St Petersburg and Mariupol. The only thing about it that is telling is that the Russian government must be desperate in its attempts to ship Russian citizens into occupied Ukrainian territory.
Of course, and the earth is flat, right. Seems you believe every trash that you hear on RT. Please move ahead, in this channel the audience is educated.
200,000 people brought to Mariupol? This is a lie. This lady is crazy.
The lady knows only one Russian city Saint Petersburg which is 1000 miles away from Ukraine.
Why this lady do not tell why 3mln Ukrainians fled to Russia and not to Ukraine, and why these people do no leave Russia? The borders are totally open...
Who fled to Russia? Why don't you say how many Russians have run away from mobilisation? How's the Russian population constantly shrinking if so many people want to live in that paradise? The Russians created chaos in Ukraine and almost 10 million Ukrainians have been displaced.
Too many "Ahhs" and "uuummm"s
I wonder why they don’t interview yourself?
Probably it will b be t oo much of silence
If I could speak Ukrainian as well as she speaks English I would be well pleased with myself.
I suspect that conducting these interviews in Ukrainian would not give them as much visibility
Not at all
Another great discussion, thank you 👍