Aliona Hlivco - Russian World Brings with it Weaponised Lies as well as Fear, Death and Destruction.
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- Aliona Hlivco is Managing Director at The Henry Jackson Society and Advisory Council Member at Coalition for Global Prosperity. Aliona a Former Ukrainian MP. Regular contributor to The Russia and Eurasia Programme at Chatham House, as well as Monocle24, CapX and is a TEDx Speaker. She is also a Guest Lecturer and Senior Consultant at Atticus Partners.
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What a great interview! And Aliona is a fantastic credit to Ukraine. Slava Ukraini!!
Nice presentation. Aliona is so poised and eloquent. Nice exposition on all of the emerging threats.
I am chilled by the thought that the forces of evil could have someone as astute and resolute as Aliona working just as hard as she is. I am comforted by the knowledge that people such as she are working for the good of us all.
After hearing a lady like this how can I doubt Ukraine's coming victory and prosperity. A future president? SLAVA UKRAINI
Beautifully articulate and such strength of spirit,I weep at the injustices and lack of recognition for what Ukraine has suffered is trying to achieve and yet to fully accomplish and realise..
Wholeheartedly agree, both your sentiments and hopes.
As a first generation Ukrainian diaspora in Canada, I am so proud of the many Ukrainian refugees I see here and on your channel. I suspect that Vlad covets their superior genetics (humility among them)
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Дуже Дякою
Every time I hear or see Aliona speak, it renews my faith that Ukraine must prevail and will prevail. The alternative, not just for Ukraine but for all the west, is just untenable.
Wonderful conversation! To anyone out there in the big wide world who’s been feeling overwhelmed and exhausted from the war news - put your nation in Ukrainian shoes and imagine a day to day survival of your country. So, please recharge your inner batteries and keep up the fighting spirit🙏 Разом до перемоги!
What a charming young person and a fine mind. She reminds me of Vlad Vexler somewhat. I'd never heard of Pani Hlivco. Thanks for having her on.
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Aliona mentioned the former German chancellors and French presidents - number one vatniks Merkel and Sarcozy "vehemently opposed" Ukraine joining NATO at Bucharest in 2007, so we are where w eare today. Sarcozy was sentenced to 3 years in jail for corruption, reduced to a year of home detention.
Merkel has innocent Ukrainian blood on her hands.
I think it is unfair to bracket Merkel and Sarcozy together, Sarcozy to be sure was just another little corrupt rotter but I think that Merkel was well intentioned and wanted peace but was just misguided and naive (as many were) that the Russian bear could ever be tamed.
Thank's Aliona a great interview elucidating the history of Ukraine I am Dutch and we had the 80 year war with the Spanish crown and also centuries of the dictator ship of Rome catholic church, Ukraine can't give up and western society's support is crucial to advance the evolution to a modern just civilization.
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Extremely concise interlocutor going exactly to the point. Charming, measured and yet incisive, while taking into account broader picture.
Thank you, Jonathan.
Thank you Aliona.
Thanks Jonatan and Aliona. While the Russian war on Ukraine should never have occurred in the first place, it has brought to the forefront some truly remarkable individuals of our era, and Aliona is undoubtedly one of them.
Bravo, bravo, bravo! Thank you, oh, this woman is magnificent! thank you for having her!
Excellent discussion.
Great discussion, thankyou
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Excellent insight - insight is sorely lacking among Russian intellectuals included
Yes. Seems to me there should be more explicit emphasis that US support for Ukraine is a national security issue, not a “foreign aid” issue.
Precisely
@@SiliconCurtain However I don't think Aliona is correct in saying Ukraine is not fully trusted yet by the West, it's just a military reality that the US would be quiet happy to flatten any non nuclear armed threats to its interests (like Iran) which Israel may face but sadly Ukraine doesn't.
More great impressions of intelligent, educated and well spoken young leaders (and completely fluent in a foreign tongue) from Ukraine.
Aliona is an excellent spokesperson for not only Ukraine but for freedom living people everywhere. We wish her all the success in her directorship.
Without coming off sounding like some bleeding heart, i find it rather telling from the many videos I've watched covering this war that the Ukrainians not only value their fellow countrymens/womens lives but have the compassion to celebrate rescuing animal lives as well.
The sense of humour I've witnessed reminds me of an old english woman who recounts her brother being the cause of his company being captured by Nazis in WWII and on the way to pow camp he was being mercilessly mocked for this but they were roaring with laughter about it, much to the one german guards' surprise who eventually said in broken emglish "this is why you'll win the war, you can laugh at a situation like this". Morale can go a long way in defeating an enemy
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Great story. There are a lot of parallels I think with Ukraine and Britain in WWII
Greetings and suport from Spain.
Interesting history and insight into people of Ukraine
Yes, the necessary caution and paranoid awareness is exhausting. God bless you all for hanging on and not crumbling.
What a brilliant lady. Hopefully she can have a role in the future development of Ukraine.
She was an MP, so has played a significant role in tackling corruption culture
Another great guest Jonathan, Aliona is a well spoken and intelligent woman and I hope she provides leadership mentoring to other Ukrainian women, and women not in Ukraine. I am also optimistic that this century is not China's, but is becomes the century for women reaching parity and the end of patriarchy. Konstantin from Inside Russia has a very pro civil and human rights stance, he is a good person and I have suggested he run for President. But I would understand his reluctance to do so, having such a role seems to be an impossible task.
Konstantin is a grifter 🙄 Also, what does patriarchy have to do with any of this? 🤦🏼♂️
I appreciate the voice of Aliona Hlivco on all matters concerning Ukraine, and the World geopolitics. As the Managing Director of the Henry Jackson Society and Advisory Council Member at Coalition for Global Prosperity, and former MP in Ukraine, she is a proven leader.
I suggest that anyone who supports Ukraine or has an interest in Ukraine watch tjis segment featuring Aliona Hlivco. She sets herself apart as one of the critical thinkers in the World. As a young Woman, she provides hope that there is a mind and voice that will matter.
1sr time i heaard of Aliona Hlvico, so thanks ! Your guest filled in many blanks and connected many dots for me. 18 months ago i often commented Ukraine will be the new Role Model of democarcy for the World. I left this on many YT pages. I couldnt verbalize WHY i know his, but listening to Aliona I now understand why. Starsky was a huge part of me learning about Ukrainians and others shared the history, i just couldnt put into words why. ( of course there so many other articale and videos)
When one has a conviction, being able to verbalize it strengthens it, so Im Grateful to both of you for this.
Ukraine WILL be the new role model for Democracy for the Free World to aspire too.
in the midst of Chaos there is Opportunity
Saturday morning Sulicon Curtain with coffee, thanks for another guest loaded with intelligence and insight.
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Another excellent interview - thanks so much for sourcing this one.
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You do! You do deserve the best, and the recognition, and we want your partnership! Israel it so tiny, AND Israel’s being attacked is the BEST excuse for putting our massive carriers near Ukraine, you see?
Great video. Aliona is a wonderful speaker.
Excellent interview! I think that what needs to be recognized is the Maoist efforts creating “woke and other society struggle session ideology” as a weapon, in Ukraine, in the EU and Briton. We need to capture liberal democratic republic values. We need to find common ground with “populists” creating a common goal. Ukraine is teaching us a lot.
Populism and love of one’s country are both anti woke. Hitler gave the latter a bad name, but today’s leaders know better than that. Woke however, is pernicious and destructive to us all. It’s used to stifle conversation and discussion of the real issues.
We could, or we could move back into reality and away from vacuous, meaningless buzzwords and the misuse of terms for political ideologies that you do not understand (seriously, I challenge you to point to any part of Maoist political philosophy that matches what you're railing against). You could come to realise that Russia is rabidly homophobic and transphobia--the antithesis of "woke"--and you could remove yourself from the radicalisation bubble that you're currently trapped in, which is intended to get you seething with anger at a handy disempowered hate-group and convinced that being reminded of the existence of transgender people is the greatest threat society faces.
Oh, and I'll give you the standard challenge: define "woke" without accidentally making it sound like a good thing.
37:28 Great answer from Aliona, great comment.
Huge fan of HJ. Great work
Ukraine is good hands with this wonderful person. Героям слава 🇺🇦
Extraordinary interview!
Great and clear Ukrainian young mind!
Thank you, Jonathan, wonderful episode of a very impressive Ukrainian. Such an intelligent woman, thanks for bringing her on.
🇺🇦 Заради життя кожного українця! 🇺🇦
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So articulate. A future leader I feel?
Same as it was since Tsarist times
Jonathan and Aliona. I hardly know where to begin...
Listening to you both was a privilege. If ordinary conversation is like listening to a musical instrument, yours was an orchestral opus! So rich, so vibrant , so detailed, so deep, so mellifluous. You both made so many cogent points. I kept trying to make a mental note to comment, but there were too many for my ordinary brain. However, the one point that will remain with me is the one about trust. This SO hits the nail on the head, I think. ruZZian society has no trust; not in its government, not in its local officials, not in its 'partners', not in its neighbours, not even in itself. That is the core of its problems, isn't it? It cannot overcome deep rooted paranoia that is fundamentally rooted in a lack of trust for anyone.
Thank you both for educating me.
Slava Ukraini 🇬🇧🇺🇦
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She says, “We need to make our democracies resilient”. She is absolutely correct on this. Sadly the use of regulatory bodies for (almost) every aspect of life has undermined what government can actually do. EU regulated everything to the point of micromanagement. UK is close behind with de-facto laws crimping anything a government wants to do.
I think the fault is not only with government- it’s the attitude of people that all problems must be solved by government. Ukraine shows that you can have a lot of social support and solutions provided ‘organically’ by people, who do not want to wait for government to get their act together.
Really? Seems like that in the UK, the government is doing what they want to do quite effectively (looting public institutions and providing jobs for the chums). Or, and this is just a wild and crazy guess here, are you talking about immigration? Because it's always immigration.
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I personally witnessed the "cancer" being spread by russia in the back streets of Kiev. It was a summer evening 2019. I was walking back to my apartment and a few guys unfurled a Nazi banner across the street. About 20 guys, with photographers made a scene. Within 5 minutes, they were gone.
I so wanted to get an image myself, but I felt extremely unsafe in that environment, so I kept walking. But I'll never forget.
I will forever feel lucky that I escaped with my life.
What’s not to say this was a group of thugs sponsored by the Russian state? It’s the kind of crap they do.
This episode reeks of "FSB sham" from miles away, honestly. 🤢
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Great discussion.
As in the lead up to WWII, fascist alignments and agreements were in the offering. Watch for things like the non-agression pact in August of 1939, and in September of the same year Nazi Germany invaded Poland. Xi and Putin have made an agreement to which we are not privy to or fully understand--very concerning. I am certain Poland will make a wonderful alliance, and Eastern European coalition of independent democratic states cooperating to support human rights and civil liberty and be exemplars of institutional strength.
Can we not come to a realization of issue of European chivalry vs. the russian imperialism. So as not to wait for the epiphany and get busy? I am American and some of the discussion about changing russians and reparations isn’t making sense.
Personally i understand the conventional wisdom is that people, groups and systems with malignant narcissistic tendencies cannot change. Only 2 percent manage it and they really have to want to change. What bully wants to change?
@@thinker646 None, if they keep getting served tea and addressed with bows.
Aliona Hlivco's final statements were so powerful. I don't want to be part of a West that doesn't hear this message.
I've read and watched history of Ruthenia and Rusj many times, but it's so long and complicated, when you get to the end, you forget that at one moment in time - would be Moscovites (and partially Belorussians) - were ruled from Kiïv by would-be-Ukrainian kings, if not for long. Besides debunking softist narrative in infoterrorist infested 'West' (& World) on medieval history (if not decisive today), here is the esssential bits of why Ukraine and Russia got to this point in history.
If people not from region actually listened carefully what this brilliant ambassador and eyewitness of the deciding events says, we'd had much less dumb cowardice and complacency towards restoring fairer, human international rules-based order and leave barbarism with barbarians in the past. Turns out - by stopping Russia, Iran, N.Korea, China, Assad, Hamas&co, African bribocracy puppets etc. ASAP.
Please, if you have confused - or clueless about this war - anglophone people who can keep their attention for 40 min., share this with them.
Maybe it’s the nature of liking partnerships (Ukraine) vs wanting to have slaves (Russia).
Thank you Aliona! Hopefully one day you will be on prime time Russian TV too. That would be a very sobering experience for the russian tv audience.
She is so smart and pretty 😍
I follow sice a few weeks Zack the Russian . That boy gives wonderfull informations
💛💙💜💙💛 Wonderful interview, Jonathan!,
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Salt, gravity, and light!
«Вечно пьяный, до оскотинения, завистлив, жаден, злобен, туп. Миф о русской бане мгновенно рассеивается после того как пройдёшь мимо типичного русского. Запах перегара и давно не стираных порток отвратителен сам по себе, но к нему примешивается ещё и запах кислой капусты и прокисших щей, до которых он, русский человек, большой охотник. Любимое занятие - лежание на печи и мечты о лучшей жизни. Эти мечты постоянно подогреваются правящей верхушкой. К наукам не склонен, по причине своего отупения в следствии неумеренного потребления браги. Брагу потребляет по причине того, что не может выгнать самогона. Не хватает терпения. Из разнообразия языков, на матушке Земля, в совершенстве владеет одним - матерным. Физически вроде и здоров, но в то же время страдает манией величия и шовинизма. Причисляет себя к третьему Риму, а являет собой вторую Содом и Гоморру. Агрессивен. Очень агрессивен. Что подтверждается его постоянным захватом чужих земель, при этом утверждается там как хозяин и всё вокруг считает своим. Описание портрета русского можно дополнять бесконечно, однако это будет не столько утомительно читателям сколь противно. Увы».
Максим Горький, «Собирательный образ русского человека»
Wow. I’ve not read this. But it resonates.
Constant seizure of foreign lands. This is the legacy of the 14th century Mongolian conquest of Russia.
@@SiliconCurtain it´ll make your day : "Благодаря невероятно успешной внешней политике путина у нас всегда будут полные холодильники! " - заявил директор Ростовского морга 🇷🇺 ...
Thank you for this discussion. I have been puzzled why Russian soldiers complain of a lack of training, poor equipment, poor or no leadership and not being paid and, then, wives and mothers do not protest but make collective videos appealing to the Russian political leadership. Aliona has helped me understand the context of Russian thinking.
I am not sure that being “traders” is a principle stimulus to a more democratic change. In England from the year 1250 onwards individualism existed and increased as markets and towns appeared. So there is something about the law being fairly administered which underpins the rights of individuals of either gender to sell their Labour, their skills and products. Ukrainians seem to have a belief in personal ownership and recognise that fighting corruption and ensuring the fair implementation of the law is necessary. They are right to pursue this but comes from the mindset of individualism and I don’t see how a largely imperialist, hugely geographic state, exploitative of its people and oppressive will be able to achieve individualism. It took England four to five hundred years to have a monetised economy with land sold as a commodity and a population that worked and did not own land, and then it exported this individualism to North America!
Is there a report card for Chatham House? I watched a lot over the years and there was a lot of thinking going on.
You should tell the speakers to spesk closer to the microphone to avoid fading sound
Let the sound fade out.
The western system has capacity to make right decisions, but sometimes it is manic and sometimes doubts itself and often just takes a long time to try everything else until our courts force us to face the issue... we elect people who are subject to corruption, which is different than but no less regrettable as that in Russia. It may even be fair to say that Ukraine has more agency as a unified people than the USA or UK, where the majority of the county's people may feel one way but we are subject to our political class who are the ones who are playing a game with everything they do... the game of 'how can I benefit', of 'who will put money in my pocket when I use my access to represent them'. We have worse corruption than Ukraine no doubt. It's shamefully ironic, hypocritical to say that we want you to get rid of "corruption"... it's that you need to have the right kind of corruption. And in the absence of that at least it can't be corruption that favors our adversary, because then the door is still open! As for me, I hope for Ukraine that you can build on your national unity and find a flavor of self-determination that works for you, and maybe at the end of all this you have something new to show the world that takes us all forward in a good direction.
Why does ruzzia do what does? It has everything it needs to become a great nation, but it focuses on dumb stuff. Is it all down to putin, or is he just a symptom of a deeper problem? Maybe russia has an endless supply of putin type characters?
America is not that different. Greed and Corruption is what is driving Donald Trump and his party
Russia is an exporter of deceit.
Her sound is blurry, not crisp, so it is hard-ish to catch her words and thoughts.
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Excellent informative guest as usual, I felt myself nodding in agreement throughout especially at the point that in Russia there is no opposition, only authoritarian nationalists extreme authoritarian nationalists and lunatic extreme authoritarian nationalists.
However I'm skeptical about resource based economies founded on colonialism naturally remain primitive, two of the star pupils of Western liberalism Australia and Canada have developed very differently to Russia even though they had similar geopolitical realities, limitless space for expansion crammed with natural resources and only tribal natives to stop them, yet these countries became success stories.
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Khodorkhovsky again, Jonathan?🙁🙁
It’s fresh in my mind, because I went to see him speak in London.
@@SiliconCurtain, I like that you were critical of him.
Ukraine will prevail!
5:03 im still good with Axis of Evil. Our syatem is based on the truth that any one of us can be wrong/mistaken/bad, so we develop a syatem of rules external to ourselves, amd we all subordinate ourselves to that external reality. Those against that syatem actually to me seem to imagine themselves good, with no need of curbs, no desire to curb themselces, no concept that they might need correction. Hooe that adds to the conversatin.
It is good that Aliona continues to emphasise the enormous efforts Ukraine has made to get rid of corruption and nepotism at local and national levels, but it is a message that seems to be lost in the US. Many in the US still quite rightly ask where is the money going? Is that money going to weapons manufacturers in the US, is it going to the Ukraine government and if so what are they doing with it. Here in the UK I don't think we have the level of transparency we should have and the example of buying PPE during Covid shows contracts can be awarded without much oversight.
I liked Alionas presentation of how Ukraine has emerged from an Imperial and Communist Russia, while Russia has simply transferred power to capitalist oligarchs.
According to The Economist, Russia was in the midst of a demographic crisis before the war even began, with approximately 10 million more women compared to men. Since the war, the most skilled/qualified men have run away, hundreds of thousands are dying in Ukraine, and those that are left are drinking themselves to death. In summary, the country is screwed (but its ladies - aren't - if you catch my drift 😅).
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The better Aliona Hlivco is understood, and to the level that her combination of will and wisdom is also sought adopted and well kept rather then rejected by others, the better hope for a great enough minimum level of sanity to reach into political power to keep at bay the danger of the character flaws that may otherwise again beome threattening to yet new limits.
There's one particular such flaw that more then any other such is scaringly obvious only from a certain distance, as while it involves the same president Volodymyr Zelenskyy who served so well to collect his nation by his actions, it may very well come both to represent a severe obstacle in the battle for peace and a threat against the growth of just the attitude that is needed. It could in short be expressed as a sort of rule, for instance as this: "The attacked party is not itself in a position suitable to inform others of possibly wider consequences of the battle than what possible outcomes are pointing to from the point of others." It's what denies us realisation of reality to a level that time and again comes to leave determination to the wrong partys.
Warnings comming from where the pressing shoes are weared will all the while the battle goes on be interpreted too heavily by the pressing shoes to ever truly become received as sound warnings. It'll be so only until the first outcome of battle is clear, but only if the path to a second outcome shall not drown it out. It represents surely one of the most widespread flaws culturally to make for a certain call for a United Nationed abled at laying fallow any nation that threattens to physically attack another before the level of newly planted hatred gets to make way for the massive amounts of illness and suffer that goes with this immature circle, a circle that's keeping mankind busy far underneath any natural value.
"You may not as the attacked party draw conclusions involving others, as being attacked may not be combined with that sort of thing." After many decades with "seeking employees able to endure pressure" there's still very little comming through from the partys that are sought by others to drown in it.
There are God fearing people and guess what else there are.? 2 sides to every coin. Would be a boring world if everyone was beaver cleaver.
Sorry, I’ve no idea what you’re trying to say…