I never understood the hate for oil in the online vegan community. Obviously lots of oil is not good for you but using it in small amounts for cooking is fine and adds a bit of flavour.
I think it flows down from the big Drs being anti oil for their patients who really need to calorie restrict but for most people especially if they’re active cooking or using EVOO or Avocado is perfectly fine and healthy
@@georgewashington3619 Your initial argument is not very good (I think oil is healthy as long as you don't overdo it - because otherwise most have problems with kcal-balance or nutrients, 4 Tbsp a day is too much from the data I've seen) irrespective of the validity of the conclusion. About your new argument: Greece is the average in life expectancy and health span in EU. I don't think that's particularly impressive. I think of my country as very unhealthy but it's still better than Greece in health span and almost identical in life expectancy. It's a myth that the Mediterranean is healthy. I think that comes from associating the Mediterranean diet not as that what it is (a scientific term of a diet in s certain time of particular regions in the Mediterranean) but with the Mediterranean region overall. Nutritional science is difficult because there are so many variables (health care system, exercise level, ...) you beed to adjust. It can't be done by such simple "arguments".
@@georgewashington3619 Greece ≠ Ikaria. I don't know the life expectancy of Ikaria right now. But the life expectancy of Greece overall is not good. You wouldn't mention your grandparents if they died young. Mentioning them is not an argument for their diet but just a selection effect of the discussion. If I take the selection effect into account that removes statistically all information. That's the reason we randomise our samples. Asking 1000 people you know who they vote for tells you nothing. Asking 1000 uniformly randomly chosen people in a country who they vote for tells you a lot. In the (scientific) Mediterranean diet it's about 2.5Tbsp of EVOO a day on average.
@@georgewashington3619 1. I'm not against oil. I'm not advocating for no oil (straw man or red herring fallacy). 2. Life expectancy to be exactly 90 is very improbable. My guess is, that you don't have data on Ikaria either. 3. Comparing the life expectancy of a country with one person and extrapolating it to the diet makes no sense. You have no control on the uncertainty of the "life expectancy" of that person influenced by the diet over other factors or just random noise.
I’m on the purist form of the Mediterranean diet, 100% extra virgin olive oil and black coffee. I feel great and I will live forever. Plus I save time because no cooking or eating and I only poop once a year.
Yes, here in Italy we would easily use 4 tablespoon of EVOO per day. Not every day, for sure, and usually in the summertime thanks to the fresh produce.
4 tablespoons is over 1/4 c. How do you consume so much? To me that is not appetizing. I would feel sick from so much oil. 1 Tablespoon is more realistic.
@@pennPi your comment is off-putting. You understand we have different cultures, and also, we don't measure in c's? 4 Tablespoons is give or take 60 mL. We eat several meals a day. So you cook at least twice are day, don't you? We use olive oil for cooking. Some recipes require several pans. You need oil to use a pan. Again, we use olive oil. Simple as that. And then a lot of people around the mediterranean enjoy their salads, the dressing contains oil. I will repeat: the main oil we use, is olive oil. So it simply adds up and it is terribly tasty. I prefer my Spanish family's dishes over my German family's dishes any time of the day.
@@pennPi olive oil is all their fat. Like a common breakfast is tomato cube on toasted bread, with olive oil. Salads? Olive oil. Cooking? Olive oil. Dipping plain bread in olive oil. Olive oil on toast. Oil in dishes for flavour. It's all their fat. Whi
@@pennPi I personally put a little over a tablespoon or 2 over each meal, or if the recipe doesn't call for it, ill take a shot of olive oil before consuming the meal.
@@pennPi What? 1/4 of a cup *over an entire day* would make you sick? No, it wouldn't. You're thinking of, like, drinking a quarter cup in a sitting. Or else you're just one of those healthier-than-thou sorts, y'know the type.
Why are people from restrictive diet communities so hell bent on making food taste unpleasant? Anti-oil, raw vegan, keto, paleo, Neolithic diet etc… Like, what is the purpose? Why must people go to such extremes and make eating suck so terribly? How about making a tasty, nutritionally balanced meal, in a decent portion size, eating until you are full and then … going on with your day?
@@1316Salva They also try to recruit people to these diets and do everything possible to make the food unappealing. There’s absolutely no emphasis on having a balanced approach to food in the United States, it’s totally bonkers.
If oiless food taste bad to you, you have overstimulated taste buds. An anology is like you need it to be meth, instead of vyvanse. You need more stimulation. Food taste fine to me without oil and salt, where as in the past I needed it. I took a tolerance break, much like with a stimulant drug, and now I don't need it.
We air fry all that in the oven without oil and it's so good. Usually make a dip with pumpkin seed butter, water, and miso. But definitely tastes good on its own as well.
Spannish vegan here, we eat a shit ton of olive oil (we love it, and there is really high quality oil in a lot of homes, not just fancy people) here, definitely more then 4tbsp per day
As an epidemiologist, I would also caution relying on statistical significance (not saying you are doing that). If your sample is very large, for example, you can often get statistically significant results on very small often clinically meaningless effect estimates. Ken Rothman suggest providing the effect estimate and CI to show uncertainty rather than relying on P-values.
I wonder why p-values are still used at all. It's been known for many years that even "experts" fail to correctly interpret the p-value and study design and result interpretation usually are flawed because of how it is defined. P-values should be used for nothing more than to identify potentially interesting effects or patterns in data, not to prove that effects are real or important. R. A. Fisher, the father of statistics, expressed this as well. With computers it is quick and easy to calculate Bayes factors which actually contrasts two models by their evidence.
A few years back Avi/Danielle (cardiologist) had a discussion/debate with Mic (search Debunking Mic The Vegan #1: Heart Disease Reversal Debate). I think it was made fairly clear in that video that some of his views on the vegan health stuff were unsupported/contrary to the best available evidence. It seemed like progress was made in that discussion, but IIRC he reverted back to the views in question, made some false/misleading statements about the sort of view Avi/Danielle take, then refused followup. To this day the offer to engage these two doctors remains open, and i think not doing so is probably explained by some version of ideological commitment/bad faith. It's important to engage your strongest critics when they're willing to sit down and speak to you politely and frankly.
This is my 1st time listening to your videos, I avoid oil, I do have cardiovascular disease, history of heart attack and high lipids, even on a very WFPB sos free diet. But besides that, I’d just rather eat more real food than wasting my calorie intake on oils. Trying to keep my bmi low normal.
Just by the way, I have watched your videos for at least two years and I now eat a lot more plant based food. Most weeks the food I bring to work is vegan, and try to make more vegan and vegetarian meals at home for my family. You have made me feel like I'm not a horrible person for not being 100% vegan because at least I'm doing what I can at the moment.
Wow! This is really amazing, you can be very proud of yourself! I hope you inspire others to do the same❤ If everyone did it like you, the world would already be a much nicer place for animals🌱☺️
@@lli_loue🎉 Good. I’d rather have 100 imperfect plant based dieters than 2 perfect vegans who are jerks and put everyone off eating this way. I always encourage people to do their best in an imperfect world.
Nope. She's a pick-me vegan. She acts like she knows better than everyone else in the vegan community and it stinks. Have you seen her views on capitalism? She should change her name to toxic vegan
I mean we literally have commenters in here laughing at 4 tablespoons of OO, not to mention the people deliberately "supplementing" with OO for a blueberry's worth of polyphenols lol. 4+ tablespoons adds up when you're trying to keep saturated fat below 10g/day.
For me, personally, everything changed post menopause. High quality olive oil and flaxseed oil raise my total cholesterol to 174 and my LDL to 94.....still in 'normal' range but not 'ideal heart healthy' range (according to Dr. Greger's meta analysis). 3 weeks oil free and I went down to 151 for total and 74 for LDL. At this age I will remain oil free as much as humanly possible for the remainder of my life.
mic and i both have masters degrees in public health, and its honestly shocking to me sometimes how he represents the research. the number one thing i learned in my studies was about study design, grade of evidence, statistical analyses etc. to have such a deep knowledge about scientific research and then just take small studies as a representation of the whole scientific evidence is...problematic
I was following a very low fat vegan diet for over 10 years and my LDL used to be around 50-60 mg/dL. Two years ago I started adding olive oil to my salads because why not. Last month I went to have a checkup and I was shocked, my LDL increased to 148 mg/dL. I'm now back to no oil, I'll have another check up in six months hopefully back to my previous results. Olive oil and other oils probably help people who are on high saturated fat diets, but for people like me they can be detrimental to our health.
@@mikimarin2002Sure, my HDL actually went down from 83 to 76 mg/dL since my last check up two years ago, which wouldn't be concerning if LDL didn't go up that much.
That’s too bad. Apparently you aren’t familiar with seasoning. If this is your only source of fats, okay fine, but if you’re also consuming store-bought foods and processed foods, chances are you’re consuming excess fats.
@@lostexplorersguild767I’ve noticed low fat vegans use a Lot of seasonings. This makes sense because fat carries flavor and you need a lot more seasonings to get the flavor you get with a little fat added to seasonings. Not considering the issue of fat soluble vitamins of course.
I used to obsess over my food so much and I have come so far from that that I genuinely cannot imagine anymore being this concerned with whether or not what I'm eating is optimally healthy. Don't people want to enjoy their food? Don't people think life is difficult enough as it is? Don't people wanna just relax? I feel you on the "I'm tired" point, here, because I find fretting over things like this completely exhausting at this point in my life. People really overthink their diets so much nowadays.
That’s what I thought. It promotes eating disorders. Also if you want someone to think vegan people are nuts show them that video. But I guess if he turns 130 years old he’ll be standing there laughing.
@@aq9415 we were talking about eating oil here. I find it really obnoxious that omnivores can't even peacefully coexist with you whilst not bringing up meat at all and somehow you'll bring it back to that and throw it at me as though I was the one who brought it up. Why are you out here trying to start sh*t with people you don't know about things that most people have ever-evolving feelings on over the course of their lives, as if you're going to have all of the exact same opinions about food for your entire life and are never going to grow or change yourself? Just leave me alone, man. People like you make me wanna stop interacting with the internet altogether. You can't just have a cordial conversation with anyone; everything has to be antagonistic all the time. It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of speaking to people this way yet?
I listened a lot to dr. John mcDougall and it all clicked for me tbh, now i eat large quantities (as much as i want) of starchy foods with some fruits and vegetables and some low fat sauce (like tomatosauce with ginger and brown sugar or something). I have 0 lust to eat anything ultra processed anymore after learning what UPF does to us and how it confuses our bodies. Besides, my body is sated :).
I mean if you eat a mostly whole food vegan diet with a few treats or the odd meal out, I defo don't think you need to be worrying about having a bit of oil on your veggies 😅
I don't even use scented candles due to caution, I would never use something to inhale essential oils and other things directly into my lungs. It is so disappointing to see Mic to promote such a thing. It should be so evident that this is a risky product.
I have no horse in this race, but Mic clearly says "1 tablespoon probably doesn't make a difference". Most of the work is done by the Mediterranean / WFPB diet -- high fiber, low saturated fat, etc, which is basically your point as well. This entire beef is unnecessary. And to quote the bit of the study you mentioned: "Though not statistically significant, the greater decrease observed in LDL‐C following the low EVOO diet compared with high intake over the first 4‐week diet period may be clinically meaningful." It seems to me that this is just another case of low (statistical) power trials (due to small sample size). And not for nothing but -- the low EVOO group did lose more weight, which was controlled for in the statistical tests... There's very little literature (as far as I know, lol) that directly compares a WFPB diet with oil to a WFPB without oil. The interventions usually compare against a standard western diet baseline presumably because that's what's seen as real-world important. After all, who cares about an intervention that will only marginally improve the health of a group of people who are already healthy... I don't think that means we can't speculate about if there's an even healthier option. I don't think avoiding or limiting oil is a completely ridiculous idea -- this video saying there are no real world applications to this study doesn't make sense to me. Just... eat a low oil Mediterranean diet? Most likely that will do even better than a regular Mediterranean diet. And the idea that this is not a realistic lever most people can pull is absurd, most people use way too much oil. And finally, to the point that "it's not olive oil that's making us fat, it's the ultraprocessed foods and food culture" seems very against the ethos of this channel. It could be all three, an interaction between them, etc. And I'm not anti-fat at all, but it seems logical to me that modifying the fat content in the diet slightly downwards (substituting with complex carbs, fruits and vegetables, etc) could very plausibly facilitate weight loss and could be a useful tool.
I agree! Especially since most people are already eating too many calories and might start adding a tablespoon or more Olive oil to their diet "for health". I've seen people do that...
@@sunnygirl5467 This is exactly what I was thinking of! This video lumps everything together saying "unsaturated fats protect you from heart disease!" to gotcha the original video, but I really doubt that? It depends on context. It seems to me that it's the substitution of saturated fat for unsaturated fat that is protective of heart disease. If you're already eating a diet low in saturated fat and adequate in calories and fats (aka everyone without an eating disorder or Freelee, yes I realize that actually excludes a significant portion of vegans online), how can you make the argument that adding more unsaturated fats, possibly at the risk of going into a calorie surplus, is a good thing? That seems to be what the vegan oil defenders argue for, including this video, instead of the much more reasonable position that unsaturated fat like oils (probably) aren't *bad* for you, but it probably isn't going to provide any extra benefit to the vast majority of people. I can certainly think of better ways to expend that part of my "calorie budget".
The building blocks of organic life are proteins, carbohydrates and lipids. You're gonna need each to live but its still different depending on the person. It seems that the recent trend in demonizing oils is misplaced fear, scientific illiteracy AND a way to assert a moral and class superiority.
Really? So you think dr. Esselstyn, dr. mcDougall and dr. Rogers are wrong in their findings on oil (or fat at large). All vegetables and fruits have lipids, we don't need oil (or animal fats) for that. I think i rather believe these 3 and whole slew of other doctors tbh, nothing to do with scientific illiteracy to be familiar with the works of Walter Kempner, Nathan Pritikin, Gregory Sloop or Denis Burkitt who all promote low fat diets. And that's fat, not even oil which is highly processed and in cases of PUFA almost always already rancid and toxic hydroxynonenal forming (source Tetsumori Yamashima who was tasked by the government of Japan to find causes of Alzheimer). What are your sources for what you think on it?
I try to get most of my calories from whole foods but sometimes I just want pancakes cooked with oil so they don't stick to the pan 😊 also, I want restaurant food once in a while, which is often doused in oil. It's good to know that some oil is fine in a vegan diet.
That Fume thing is insanely overpriced! It's the same thing as the $4 menthol inhalers you sniff when you have a stopped up nose. - Coming from an ex smoker/ vaper, it'd be better than nothing to help you quit cigs but just barely. Vaping is a better tool. It's 97% safer than cigs and my friend's pulmonologist (lung specialist) told him that and said to switch from smoking to vaping to help his COPD. (It's not 100% safe though so don't start if you don't smoke.) I switched and then tapered down the amount of nicotine until it had none, was just flavor, and then quit vaping.
Agreed - the price of that thing blew my mind for what it is! I’m in the UK and there are specific regulations for vapes/eliquids and what can be in the ingredients. I’ve not smoked for almost a year using my vape with low nicotine. Ideally I know I should stop entirely but don’t want to crave cigarettes again.
@@melzymoomin888 Give it some more time then get to 0 nicotine. Then maybe just use it in the car or at certain times then phase it out. Even if you don't quit it's such an improvement over smoking.
Oil of any kind just adds unnecessary calories and makes it easier to eat more than you need. Baked or boiled potatoes have roughly a third of the calories of the same potato fried in oil even though the volume of the food is pretty much the same. Going super low fat, whole food, plant based in my diet allowed me to lose weight without being disciplined in portion size or just accept being hungry a lot and get my HbA1C in the non-diabetic range and all the health markers in my blood tests are now good. I've learnt how to cook without oils and see no reason to add it back in.
The number of total calories you eat doesn't matter. Only the amount of fat matters. Potatoes with oil are fattening. Potatoes with maple syrup are not fattening. Higher calorie dense fruits like dates and raisins are not fattening either.
I was born and raised in the middle east (Kuwait), spent over half my life there... and God damn, they pour olive oil on HEAVYYYY on everything...... 4-6 table spoons in a batch of hummus, 2 in the prep, and then 4 for the top dressing... Za'atur and khoobs for breakfast (you tear the flat bread, bathe it it in a small bowl of olive oil, and then dip it in this thyme herb), olives in olive oil, salad in olive oil, cooking in olive oil, dunked on beans etc. I don't have a health opinion here, I'm just pointing out some people go crazy with it and definitely eat in a caloric surplus when combined with everything else. For me personally, it makes my food taste nicer, I get healthy fats, I get to have vegan butter, and being more on the leaner / skinnier side, I certainly want more caloric dense foods / omegas / fats in my diet - which I get from moderate oil use.
11 yrs wholefood vegan here. I don’t eat any refined carbs or processed foods because my anxious brain feels the calmest on complex carbs. I make sure not to eat palm or or hydrated fats e.g. in vegam stock cudes.m or vegan snacks. Apart from eating some seeds or nuts daily I add 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil to dinner. And my Cholesterol Panels have always been IDEAL smack reflecting the typical idea Vegan cholesterol level from the study done years ago on Vegan vs Vegetarian vs Meat-eaters’ cholesterol levels. A decade ago I was wholefood vegetarian and also used olive oil. So if cold-pressed olive oil (the only oil I use) was indeed unhealthy I’d assume I’d see some negative effects by now. IMO white sugar is much more unhealthy🍄🍄🍄
Depends on the person. When I add 2 tablespoons of olive oil to my diet, my LDL jumps from 90 to almost 120 mg/dL. It has too much saturated fat for me, so I stick with nuts, seeds, grains, and tofu for my fatty acids. I only eat whole foods except for tofu. No refined sugars. I should have LDL below 70 for how I eat. So, personally, I don't want my LDL at 120 mg/dL.
@@dj-fe4ck Almonds are 7.6% saturated fat vs olive oil that is 14% saturated fat. Also, if you are referring to my comment, I said I added olive oil. I was not replacing anything. I would eat the same amount of nuts and seeds regardless of the amount of olive oil consumed. Now when I add calories to my diet, I primarily add protein and carbs, not fat; simply because I'm sensitive to saturated fat. Two tablespoons of olive oil is around 10% of total calories for the typical healthy person.
@@Swameh uuuhm..so you are trying to tell me that olive oil has been a "staple" in the diet of the centenarians in Japan? Are you sure that like 50 or 70 years ago, the people in Okinawa eating a traditional japanese diet ate Olive Oil on the regular? I don't think so and thats what I said...
I defenitely don't think Olive Oil is unhealthy, according to scientific literature it's just not, buuut I still don't eat oil and I think there are some relevant reasons maybe not to. I already eat a very wholefood plant based (fully vegan) diet. I'm 19 now, been doing it since 15 yo. Basically just fruit, veggies, nuts and seeds, whole grains, legumes and fungi. I love it and don't feel like missing out. For me there is no purpose of intentionally adding oil, since I already eat about 50 grams of various nuts and seeds with plenty of healthy fats. They come with extra benefits like volume, chewing sensation and fibre, which oil does not have. It's easy as that for me. I think it's supported by evidence, that for these reasons nuts and seeds are a really good choice to get healthy fats in, since they are good for the gut microbiome and teeth since you have to chew them and they contain fibre, which oil does not have. There is a lot of nuance though, no black and white. If oil helps you to get extra veggies and legumes in and doesn't lead you to eat over maintenance and you prefer it over chomping on a lot of nuts and seeds , it's the right choice for you. If you already eat enough nuts and seeds and don't need it to cover your healthy fats, why add it if it doesn't bring those other benefits that nuts and seeds do. 🌱🙂↕️🥗🥦🥑🫐🫘🌼
You're absolutely right and well ahead of the curve at such a young age. I've found "healthy fats" and such more a buzzword for marketing now, all vegetables, fruits and starches have plenty healthy fats. My source dr. John mcDougall.
Wow, I totally forgot about mic the vegan. I found his channel around the time I went vegan 8 years ago and was watching some of videos. Found you right around the same time and remember seeing your video response to him, and I never really watched much from him after that. I was never too crazy about him anyway
I go through bottles of oil for my pastries and I portion sweets as well as use 1 tbsp or more for frying. I don’t feel like this is a danger to my health in any way
Actually I do add two tbsp of extra virgin olive oil to my salad. It's just the right amount. Maybe my salad portion are just way bigger than yours. 150g to 200g of green, one cucumber (large one), two big tomatoes and rarely a handful of nuts.
Yeah, a salad is unsatisfying without some kind of fat. I'd probably opt for alternatives like adding avocados or tahini or something instead of just straight oil. Those taste better imo.
Is this only about taste and cooking convenience? As someone living with CAD and an inherited hyperlipidemia profile I avoid oil as much as possible in view of the scientifically established post meal behavior of coronary artery endothelial cells. I can get my antioxidants elsewhere. This discussion is appreciated however in view of the actual findings of this study and the weaknesses of the dissected video!
Yes. That's the only reason. Not because it makes everything taste better, even healthy food. Or because it is a staple food for millions of people. Or because of cultural relevance. Or because there's no reason for a balanced diet to be missing oil. No, the only reason is because apparently they now use olive oil for junk food.
I can see reasons why they don't make studies isocaloric. It's to simulate how people eat real food. Oil makes it much easier to fill up on calories without feeling full. It's a trick I learnt as an endurance athlete who fails to get sufficient calories being whole food plant based. Looking at my wife's cronometer - she's 5ft8" 63kg and walks/hikes an average of 40 miles a week. She eats 1600 calories a day avg over last 6 months. Without the activity her maintenance would be ~1300.
"OO has most of the beneficial factors of olives" - nearly all the polyphenols are lost in the wastewater when making OO. That's why the amounts are so trivially low in OO.
The biggest problem, in my opinion, with oil is the caloric density. Eating enough food to be full and including four tablespoons or more of any oil per day could easily put one over his or her caloric needs for the day. Over time, this can lead to overweight and/or obesity. It would be ironic to start eating oil to get a benefit for your cholesterol level and then become overweight and have other health issues because of that.
It would be interesting to see a study on Asian oil use. I live in Asia. We seldom use olive oil,but yellow or white sesame oil. Not the brown kind used as a dressing.
Yikes your Mic the Vegan hate is highly unattractive. You should listen to the lead researcher talk about her study to better understand. Mic is on point.
You should know, essential oils aren't actually oil. My thought when i heard Mic advertise those was that he just had slim pickings about sponsors and needed to pick one. I just didn't let it bother me.
He’d be horrified to see all the olive oil I used to made crostini the other day, which I then ate with white bean dip that also had olive oil in it…it was delicious
It’s not that oils are “bad.” It’s simply that consuming, daily, a high amount of fat, is not health-promoting. Oil is processed and concentrated fat, and it’s in just about every dang thing we buy/eat. Fat is put into everything it seems, and therefore we should not be adding more into our diets, through the consumption of pure oil. For example, home cooking should not include any oils. It’s not necessary, doesn’t affect flavor, it’s just excess-unless it’s your only source of fats. But let’s face it, most people are eating store-bought and processed foods. If people actually took the time to count the amount of fat they consume, I’d bet almost all of us would discover we are consuming far too much fat each day, far more than recommended. That’s not healthy. Not to mention most of us need to lose some weight, excess visceral fat, and many need to counter lifelong overconsumption of fats and need to reduce risk of disease.
These are two different things though. The conclusion Mic comes to is that “oil is bad but in moderation can be ok” but the literature is showing that low SF plant oils can actually be health promoting in moderate quantities, they can be very beneficial to add to diets. I like Mic, he was an introduction for many to a lot of the vegan influencers and science based communities but he *needs* to change his position on this, it’s just wrong and agenda fuelled.
@@spikyball5883 They are beneficial for blood viscosity but they are toxic to our brains when rancid, and they go rancid quick. Source, Tetsumori Yamashima.
I used about 2 tablespoons of olive oil per day for cooking, and this is for me and my wife. Who the heck wants to live oil free? Can't even brown up some tofu, I'm good on that.
I can imagine whole foods, like nuts and olives, having a different phytochemical profile to oils extracted from them, but I'd be surprised if it makes a particular big difference to health outcomes.
I live in Israel, and easily can get to 4 tablespoons of olive oil if it wasn't so darn expensive. A tablespoon in salad, a tablespoon on bread with hummus, and two tablespoons in cooking lunch and dinner.
Most ppl make a salad dressing with equal parts oil and vinegar and if they buy their dressing, they will be getting even more oil, per tbs of dressing. And lets face it, many put far more dressing then needed, cause it tastes good. For someone obese, who’s health is at jeopardy, cutting out 4tbs of added oil can cut 400-600cal depending on oil used and is sustainable because water takes the place of pan oil and there a numerous good tasting dressings you can make that don’t use oil and actually have added health benefits. Just as personal choice, I don’t use oil for cooking or for anything anymore but do get the same oils in their whole form, threw a handful of sunflower seeds(not the 300 it takes to produce a Tbs of oil) which then also include the potassium, calcium, zinc, phosphorous and copper that comes in each seed, that’s destroyed from the refining & chemical extraction, etc needed to produce shelf stable oil. One last thought, I agree, fume, even if regulated to a certain extent in Canada, is hardly a product I’d want to see any health advocate push and having been once a smoker back in the day, I can emphatically say a non-nicotine substitute would never of helped me quit, so this is going to mostly appeal to young kids who can’t buy vape …which is just somewhat evil.
I think Mic wants to highlight that most people do die of heart disease and so avoiding oil can be really beneficial for prevention. In most people. However, not everyone needs to lose weight. Much better to use good quality olive oil vs. eating junk with tonnes of palm oil in it. I also think most people don't think about using oils in a sensible way as you do. Soooo, it's a tough one 😊
I think it’s not just the type of oil, but also the AMOUNT consumed. For example, some studies have shown that small amounts of EVOO (about half a teaspoon at a meal) can reduce the oxidation effects of eating meat, but eating a full teaspoon or more had a paradoxical effect, giving the meat a more pronounced pro-oxidation effect. I choose to use very little oil, period. I do use it, but at a fraction of the amount most people do.
I kind of think the whole oil versus no oil thing is flawed a bit on the surface. I think the reason so many think oil is bad is simply because oil is often associated with fried foods junk foods etc. Yeah, a diet where you eat a lot of fries, chips, fried chicken, etc is going to be high in oil. However, it doesn't necessarily mean the oil itself is the main culprit. Yes, oil is a huge part of the frying process. However, that isn't the entire problem! I think a lot of people look at junk food heavy diets and make surface level associations with ingredients in the junk food diets. Rather than saying, junk food diets are bad! We know that! It doesn't mean a teaspoon for of olive oil canola oil etc is going to kill you. Yeah, slathering everything in it probably isn't good for you. But, it isn't a total negative part of a diet.
Why are people from restrictive diet communities so hell bent on making food taste unpleasant? Anti-oil, raw vegan, keto, paleo, Neolithic… extra-terrestrial diet etc… Like, what is the purpose? Why must people go to such extremes and make eating suck so terribly? How about making a tasty, nutritionally balanced meal, in a decent portion size, eating until you are full and then … going on with your day?
"sugar has nothing going for it". Oil is pure fat and has nothing going for it other then it makes food taste good. I am not anti-oil but having a dig at sugar being bad for you when its separated from its fruit fiber beginnings is very contradictory to your points about processed oil and just straight up wrong. Carbohydrates fuel the body no matter what they come from. Fats are what people should be concerned about. All those "hyperpalatable foods" are full of fat. Sometimes accompanied by sugar but when was the last time you had sugar sprinkled on a big mac. One of the biggest reasons that meat is such a health risk is its heavy fat content. Having fat is essential to ensuring you don't become underweight but sugar is important for keeping you alive. Brain and muscles run on it and it annoys me to when sugar is demonized and fat is considered healthy when fat is the thing that needs to be regulated in a healthy diet.
I say this as someone who is more likely to be mistaken for a lumberjack than a vegan, I think people that look like Mic do so much harm to the cause. He's essentially the poster boy for what men fear they will look like when they go plant based.
You can eat whatever you want it just appears to be healthier to avoid processed foods, sugar, oil and protein powders. I will still include those in my diet regardless...
LOL you can get a stainless steel aromatherapy inhaler with cotton pads inside to put flavored/scented stuff on for like $6. I use them for poppers so they don't spill. LOL.
Fat makes things taste good. If you're trying to convince people to not only become vegan, but to give up a huge component of food flavoring, 99% of people would quit within a month.
I agree with the gist of it. But here are three points to consider: 1. Fat is not necessarily only oil. In a lot of dishes (not all) replacing oil with nutt or seed butter makes it much more flavourful and much more delicious. 2. Oil being a main flavouring is mainly due to our extremely bad food environment. Miso, soy sauce, fermented bean curd, lacto-fermentation, nooch ... needs no oil to be delicious. 3. I'm someone that likes to stuff themselves and has no intention to work on that. On the downside I have to be mindful of fat and oil. I use oil (and other fat sources). But it's not a huge source of flavour. I would compare it to sugar. We have normalised a sugar density that's dulling all other flavours. The same with fat. I don't think most sweet or fatty things are flavourful. I think people confuse "flavourful" with "appetite inducing". I like my food to be flavourful and satiating.
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaosoil is not so much a source of flavoring, it helps you taste the fat-soluble flavor molecules in the other ingredients you use.
@@TasteOfButterflies I essentially agree. But I like to add: a) fat itself might have a flavour - there are possibly receptors on the tongue that activate with fat - and some flavour (or better smell) compounds are bound to fat (peanut butter Vs. PB2 for example). b) fat helps other molecules to get airborne. So we smell things while eating. Most of what we call taste is smell. This is how fat enhances flavour. c) Too much fat prevents the same molecules to get airborne. With what much fat (and what type of fat) it happens depends on the concrete molecule. We put so much fat in some things that you end up dulling things down. My main point with fat was (c). People are dulling things down with fat. And they are confusing "it tastes good" with "appetite inducing" (hyper-palatability).
Great video !! , Q : You said the oils have the same value as their whole food sources such as Canola oil, but, ARE THEY HEALTHIER THAN THE WHOLE SOURCE ? >>>>> Canola Oil is from Rape Seed, which is a toxic grass grown for 10,000 years as a biofuel , and was not a food item until it was engineered to be less toxic. (fairly recebtly ) It originally caused HEART attacks in Cattle ! So , are you sure it is now, with the heavy industrial processing they use, entirely SAFE ? Just asking ! Part of what I read : Rapeseed oil is one of the oldest known vegetable oils, but historically was used in limited quantities due to high levels of erucic acid, which is damaging to cardiac muscle of animals, and glucosinolates, which made it less nutritious in animal feed.
Given how common Canola/rapeseed oil is, wouldn't there be actual evidence of toxicity in humans? How is it relevant that some ancient variety of rapeseed was toxic to cattle? There's a lot of fear-mongering about oils lately, so you have to ask yourself: is this person giving me relevant information, or are they just throwing around scary-sounding bullshit to frighten me into buying their supplement/book/diet?
My question is, where are the best resources for vegans to learn? What books should we read? Is there a general agreement on oils in the medical community that aren't funded by big oil companies? The reason we go to the no oil gurus is that, that's all we know of. So where is the real stuff at that isn't BS?
Just use common sense. Oil isn‘t bad for you if you don‘t chug a bottle of it a day. You can still reduce oil consumption for calorie goals or preference. For most healthy and active people, oil should not be a concern
Take all that I say with a grain of salt please, but here goes: Omega 3 rich oils are fine, so are high omega 6 oils. There is some evidence suggesting that omega 3/6 ratio influences ALA (base omega 3) conversion to DHA, however the evidence could also mean that more dietary ALA than expected is required to optimise it conversion to DHA. There are some studies on perilla oil and DHA thay might interest you. Perilla oil is very high in ALA. A few extra points: 1. It does not seem that omega 6 rich oils are inflammatory. A deficiency in omega 3 might be. (Many factors apply) 2. It turns out that omega 3 is less easily oxidised than omega 6. I am not sure how large this difference is and it is questionable if consumption of oxidised fats (at reasonable dosages) is very harmful for the human body. Oxidation does make omegas lose their health benefits though.
@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear Oxidized PUFA's are very toxic to our brains, they form hydroxynonenal which breaks the enzyme responsible for waste removal during our sleep, source Tetsumori Yamashima. Dr. Peter Rogers has many videos explaining how the hydrogen atom in the PUFA oils is very unstable and then it's snatched off by a stronger electron you get rancid oil and this conversion. Leafy greens especially but all veggies, starches and fruits have plenty of omega 3 and 6 in the correct ratios.
It’s quite scary that the majority of the comments beneath this already are just straight up strawmans 🤣🤣 “No one is saying a bit of oil will kill you” but that still implies oil in moderation is bad, which is clearly isn’t. Yes oil can be bad, oil sneaked into UPFs are bad, that’s not what any of these videos are covering why does it kept being brought up. UPFs bad, low SF oil can be good in moderation
If you don't want to die from a heart attack, I dunno, maybe go outside and also train your cardiorespiratory fitness? Your heart is a muscle. You don't drink protein shakes until you can squat more than your body weight, and you aren't going to cut out olive oil to have an amazingly strong heart muscle.
4 tablespoons of olive oil is a lot of calories “when you’re supposed to be eating about 2,000 calories a day.” Um, says who? The number of calories one should eat in a day varies wildly based on a number of factors such as activity level, sex, age, fitness, goals, etc..
How many total calories you eat doesn't matter. Just the amount of fat matters. If fat is less than 10 or 15% of your total caloric intake, and animal protein less than 5%, preferably 0%, You can eat as much as you want until you are satisfied. Carbs don't make you fat.
@@dj-fe4ck That is absolutely false. Eating that way made me diabetic, and fat. Carbs make your blood sugar spike and when it comes down in 2hrs you get hungry again, so every 2-3hrs I was eating more carbs, which made me insulin resistant (all carbs turn into sugar in the body). Protein and fat digest slower, cause less sugar/insulin spikes, and are much more satiating than carbs for these reasons. All calories count to make you fat. I've lost that extra weight now, 90lbs, by calorie counting alone and I don't exclude any food group, but we have learned from experience after being told by weight-loss clinics to prioritize high protein and fiber and eat it first, so you don't have as much room for foods that'll leave you hungry again in 2 hours. Eating those with the carbs slows digestion of the carbs, preventing a huge sugar spike since they hit your bloodstream at a rate your insulin can better handle. Diabetics are told to do this. I think everyone should eat what they feel is best for them though.
@dez6278 I can eat an enormous meal of plain white rice or white wheat pasta in one meal. 2500-3000 calories in one sitting, and I'm not hungry again for at least 18 hours. The same after a big meal of whole grains or potatoes. My a1c when I last tested it was 5.0 and my fasting insulin was 2.3, and I'm 5'8 and always 120-130 pounds.
I never understood the hate for oil in the online vegan community. Obviously lots of oil is not good for you but using it in small amounts for cooking is fine and adds a bit of flavour.
I’ve cooked many dishes both with oil and without and found that it has no impact on flavor. It’s all in the seasonings.
I think it flows down from the big Drs being anti oil for their patients who really need to calorie restrict but for most people especially if they’re active cooking or using EVOO or Avocado is perfectly fine and healthy
oil is for machines, not for humans
people who eat oil look like walking tumors
eating oil and starch makes you look like a walking tumor
4 tablespoons of olive oil is High Oil ?? As a southern European raised in the Mediterranean I'm laughing out loud 😆😆
Yes it is
@@georgewashington3619My grandmother’s best friend smoked all her life and lived to 99. See how useless personal anecdotes are.
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Your initial argument is not very good (I think oil is healthy as long as you don't overdo it - because otherwise most have problems with kcal-balance or nutrients, 4 Tbsp a day is too much from the data I've seen) irrespective of the validity of the conclusion.
About your new argument:
Greece is the average in life expectancy and health span in EU. I don't think that's particularly impressive. I think of my country as very unhealthy but it's still better than Greece in health span and almost identical in life expectancy.
It's a myth that the Mediterranean is healthy. I think that comes from associating the Mediterranean diet not as that what it is (a scientific term of a diet in s certain time of particular regions in the Mediterranean) but with the Mediterranean region overall.
Nutritional science is difficult because there are so many variables (health care system, exercise level, ...) you beed to adjust. It can't be done by such simple "arguments".
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Greece ≠ Ikaria.
I don't know the life expectancy of Ikaria right now. But the life expectancy of Greece overall is not good.
You wouldn't mention your grandparents if they died young. Mentioning them is not an argument for their diet but just a selection effect of the discussion. If I take the selection effect into account that removes statistically all information. That's the reason we randomise our samples. Asking 1000 people you know who they vote for tells you nothing. Asking 1000 uniformly randomly chosen people in a country who they vote for tells you a lot.
In the (scientific) Mediterranean diet it's about 2.5Tbsp of EVOO a day on average.
@@georgewashington3619
1. I'm not against oil. I'm not advocating for no oil (straw man or red herring fallacy).
2. Life expectancy to be exactly 90 is very improbable. My guess is, that you don't have data on Ikaria either.
3. Comparing the life expectancy of a country with one person and extrapolating it to the diet makes no sense. You have no control on the uncertainty of the "life expectancy" of that person influenced by the diet over other factors or just random noise.
The fact that that crossover study wasn’t calorie equalized is very odd to me.
RIGHT?! what was the point of that?
@@pintsizedlife It's almost certainly a shitty study with poor controls; I mean it has 40 respondents.
I’m on the purist form of the Mediterranean diet, 100% extra virgin olive oil and black coffee. I feel great and I will live forever. Plus I save time because no cooking or eating and I only poop once a year.
You are preserving your insides!
Haha, sounds great..I'm starting tomorrow😂☕️🫒
Stop it. You’re making me feel hungry just thinking about all that deliciousness.
A Mediterranean diet is not vegan.
teach me your ways!
Yes, here in Italy we would easily use 4 tablespoon of EVOO per day. Not every day, for sure, and usually in the summertime thanks to the fresh produce.
4 tablespoons is over 1/4 c. How do you consume so much? To me that is not appetizing. I would feel sick from so much oil. 1 Tablespoon is more realistic.
@@pennPi your comment is off-putting. You understand we have different cultures, and also, we don't measure in c's? 4 Tablespoons is give or take 60 mL. We eat several meals a day. So you cook at least twice are day, don't you? We use olive oil for cooking. Some recipes require several pans. You need oil to use a pan. Again, we use olive oil. Simple as that. And then a lot of people around the mediterranean enjoy their salads, the dressing contains oil.
I will repeat: the main oil we use, is olive oil. So it simply adds up and it is terribly tasty. I prefer my Spanish family's dishes over my German family's dishes any time of the day.
@@pennPi olive oil is all their fat. Like a common breakfast is tomato cube on toasted bread, with olive oil.
Salads? Olive oil.
Cooking? Olive oil.
Dipping plain bread in olive oil.
Olive oil on toast.
Oil in dishes for flavour.
It's all their fat. Whi
@@pennPi I personally put a little over a tablespoon or 2 over each meal, or if the recipe doesn't call for it, ill take a shot of olive oil before consuming the meal.
@@pennPi What? 1/4 of a cup *over an entire day* would make you sick?
No, it wouldn't. You're thinking of, like, drinking a quarter cup in a sitting.
Or else you're just one of those healthier-than-thou sorts, y'know the type.
Why are people from restrictive diet communities so hell bent on making food taste unpleasant? Anti-oil, raw vegan, keto, paleo, Neolithic diet etc…
Like, what is the purpose? Why must people go to such extremes and make eating suck so terribly?
How about making a tasty, nutritionally balanced meal, in a decent portion size, eating until you are full and then … going on with your day?
Pretty sure they're just looking to eat healthy, not trying to ruin your day
@@1316Salva They also try to recruit people to these diets and do everything possible to make the food unappealing.
There’s absolutely no emphasis on having a balanced approach to food in the United States, it’s totally bonkers.
Misplaced religious energy that leads people to think depriving yourself will make you enlightened.
If oiless food taste bad to you, you have overstimulated taste buds. An anology is like you need it to be meth, instead of vyvanse. You need more stimulation. Food taste fine to me without oil and salt, where as in the past I needed it. I took a tolerance break, much like with a stimulant drug, and now I don't need it.
@@BigIndianBindi-jy1cz You need to chill. Oil is normal ass food. Crazy moralizing.
Idk how people eat beans and tofu and enough veggies without oil, that sounds miserable
eh i make all that without oil and i enjoy it and share with others who enjoy it too to each their own
By eating with healthy whole fats like avocado and nut duhh 😂😂
Seasonings
I’ve never added oil to those, I only use it to sauté onions and such or in salads. But I’m sure those foods are good with oil too
We air fry all that in the oven without oil and it's so good. Usually make a dip with pumpkin seed butter, water, and miso. But definitely tastes good on its own as well.
Spannish vegan here, we eat a shit ton of olive oil (we love it, and there is really high quality oil in a lot of homes, not just fancy people) here, definitely more then 4tbsp per day
As an epidemiologist, I would also caution relying on statistical significance (not saying you are doing that). If your sample is very large, for example, you can often get statistically significant results on very small often clinically meaningless effect estimates. Ken Rothman suggest providing the effect estimate and CI to show uncertainty rather than relying on P-values.
I wonder why p-values are still used at all. It's been known for many years that even "experts" fail to correctly interpret the p-value and study design and result interpretation usually are flawed because of how it is defined.
P-values should be used for nothing more than to identify potentially interesting effects or patterns in data, not to prove that effects are real or important. R. A. Fisher, the father of statistics, expressed this as well.
With computers it is quick and easy to calculate Bayes factors which actually contrasts two models by their evidence.
@MdoubleHBx4 Heating and cooking food with fire was discovered a looong time ago and our digestive system evolved accordingly.
A few years back Avi/Danielle (cardiologist) had a discussion/debate with Mic (search Debunking Mic The Vegan #1: Heart Disease Reversal Debate). I think it was made fairly clear in that video that some of his views on the vegan health stuff were unsupported/contrary to the best available evidence. It seemed like progress was made in that discussion, but IIRC he reverted back to the views in question, made some false/misleading statements about the sort of view Avi/Danielle take, then refused followup. To this day the offer to engage these two doctors remains open, and i think not doing so is probably explained by some version of ideological commitment/bad faith. It's important to engage your strongest critics when they're willing to sit down and speak to you politely and frankly.
is UV ever going to debate you?
@MdoubleHBx4 wow. Is this true?
@MdoubleHBx4 that is NOT RIGHT. How should me help her?
@MdoubleHBx4 I hope you are learning to love yourself and sobriety is helping you recover
@MdoubleHBx4 Do you have any high-quality research that supports the position that cooked food leads to bad health outcomes?
As a Spaniard, you can pry my extra virgin olive oil from my cold dead hands 😅
This is my 1st time listening to your videos, I avoid oil, I do have cardiovascular disease, history of heart attack and high lipids, even on a very WFPB sos free diet. But besides that, I’d just rather eat more real food than wasting my calorie intake on oils. Trying to keep my bmi low normal.
That's why doctors recommend medicine along with a healthy lifestyle. Either or mentality is harmful.
You’re right about that
Just by the way, I have watched your videos for at least two years and I now eat a lot more plant based food. Most weeks the food I bring to work is vegan, and try to make more vegan and vegetarian meals at home for my family. You have made me feel like I'm not a horrible person for not being 100% vegan because at least I'm doing what I can at the moment.
it’s exactly the same for me, it’s easier to eat plant based if you don’t have the guilt when you slip up
Wow! This is really amazing, you can be very proud of yourself! I hope you inspire others to do the same❤ If everyone did it like you, the world would already be a much nicer place for animals🌱☺️
this is so great
Aww I just love this ❤
@@lli_loue🎉 Good. I’d rather have 100 imperfect plant based dieters than 2 perfect vegans who are jerks and put everyone off eating this way. I always encourage people to do their best in an imperfect world.
Keep up the great work. You're probably the most straightforward and unemotionally honest on the internet. I appreciate all you do.
@MdoubleHBx4 I don’t even know what you’re trying to say logically let alone what weird bad take you’re spouting. But have a nice day.
@MdoubleHBx4 Take a day off, man. You need it.
Nope. She's a pick-me vegan.
She acts like she knows better than everyone else in the vegan community and it stinks.
Have you seen her views on capitalism? She should change her name to toxic vegan
@MdoubleHB007 The moment's passed, man. Take a break.
10:10 Ma'am, you have not seen what I do to salads.
You can pry my olive oil out of my cold dead hands
I mean we literally have commenters in here laughing at 4 tablespoons of OO, not to mention the people deliberately "supplementing" with OO for a blueberry's worth of polyphenols lol. 4+ tablespoons adds up when you're trying to keep saturated fat below 10g/day.
For me, personally, everything changed post menopause. High quality olive oil and flaxseed oil raise my total cholesterol to 174 and my LDL to 94.....still in 'normal' range but not 'ideal heart healthy' range (according to Dr. Greger's meta analysis). 3 weeks oil free and I went down to 151 for total and 74 for LDL. At this age I will remain oil free as much as humanly possible for the remainder of my life.
I still jokingly grab my canola/olive/sesame oil when I'm cooking and go "OIL the VEGAN KILLER!!!". He's such a funny guy.
mic and i both have masters degrees in public health, and its honestly shocking to me sometimes how he represents the research. the number one thing i learned in my studies was about study design, grade of evidence, statistical analyses etc. to have such a deep knowledge about scientific research and then just take small studies as a representation of the whole scientific evidence is...problematic
I was following a very low fat vegan diet for over 10 years and my LDL used to be around 50-60 mg/dL. Two years ago I started adding olive oil to my salads because why not. Last month I went to have a checkup and I was shocked, my LDL increased to 148 mg/dL. I'm now back to no oil, I'll have another check up in six months hopefully back to my previous results. Olive oil and other oils probably help people who are on high saturated fat diets, but for people like me they can be detrimental to our health.
Same here.
How much was your HDL tho? Of course if you feel comfortable sharing
@@mikimarin2002Sure, my HDL actually went down from 83 to 76 mg/dL since my last check up two years ago, which wouldn't be concerning if LDL didn't go up that much.
Unnatural vegan, I side with you. Oil is literally what gets me to eat my vegetables!
That’s too bad. Apparently you aren’t familiar with seasoning. If this is your only source of fats, okay fine, but if you’re also consuming store-bought foods and processed foods, chances are you’re consuming excess fats.
Steamed vegetables and their texture gross me out. I need the crispy sheen of veggies roasted in olive oil to enjoy them.
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@@lostexplorersguild767How do you get the seasoning to stick to your food if there’s no oil?
@@lostexplorersguild767I’ve noticed low fat vegans use a Lot of seasonings. This makes sense because fat carries flavor and you need a lot more seasonings to get the flavor you get with a little fat added to seasonings. Not considering the issue of fat soluble vitamins of course.
I used to obsess over my food so much and I have come so far from that that I genuinely cannot imagine anymore being this concerned with whether or not what I'm eating is optimally healthy. Don't people want to enjoy their food? Don't people think life is difficult enough as it is? Don't people wanna just relax? I feel you on the "I'm tired" point, here, because I find fretting over things like this completely exhausting at this point in my life. People really overthink their diets so much nowadays.
That’s what I thought. It promotes eating disorders. Also if you want someone to think vegan people are nuts show them that video. But I guess if he turns 130 years old he’ll be standing there laughing.
@@aq9415 we were talking about eating oil here. I find it really obnoxious that omnivores can't even peacefully coexist with you whilst not bringing up meat at all and somehow you'll bring it back to that and throw it at me as though I was the one who brought it up. Why are you out here trying to start sh*t with people you don't know about things that most people have ever-evolving feelings on over the course of their lives, as if you're going to have all of the exact same opinions about food for your entire life and are never going to grow or change yourself? Just leave me alone, man. People like you make me wanna stop interacting with the internet altogether. You can't just have a cordial conversation with anyone; everything has to be antagonistic all the time. It's exhausting. Aren't you tired of speaking to people this way yet?
@@zenleeparadise Muting your replies (bit intense). Have a great day.
I listened a lot to dr. John mcDougall and it all clicked for me tbh, now i eat large quantities (as much as i want) of starchy foods with some fruits and vegetables and some low fat sauce (like tomatosauce with ginger and brown sugar or something). I have 0 lust to eat anything ultra processed anymore after learning what UPF does to us and how it confuses our bodies. Besides, my body is sated :).
I mean if you eat a mostly whole food vegan diet with a few treats or the odd meal out, I defo don't think you need to be worrying about having a bit of oil on your veggies 😅
My LDL sure went up when I did the olive oil thing--never again!
I don't even use scented candles due to caution, I would never use something to inhale essential oils and other things directly into my lungs. It is so disappointing to see Mic to promote such a thing. It should be so evident that this is a risky product.
that FUM shit took me out, wtf Mic be on fr
I have no horse in this race, but Mic clearly says "1 tablespoon probably doesn't make a difference". Most of the work is done by the Mediterranean / WFPB diet -- high fiber, low saturated fat, etc, which is basically your point as well. This entire beef is unnecessary.
And to quote the bit of the study you mentioned: "Though not statistically significant, the greater decrease observed in LDL‐C following the low EVOO diet compared with high intake over the first 4‐week diet period may be clinically meaningful." It seems to me that this is just another case of low (statistical) power trials (due to small sample size). And not for nothing but -- the low EVOO group did lose more weight, which was controlled for in the statistical tests...
There's very little literature (as far as I know, lol) that directly compares a WFPB diet with oil to a WFPB without oil. The interventions usually compare against a standard western diet baseline presumably because that's what's seen as real-world important. After all, who cares about an intervention that will only marginally improve the health of a group of people who are already healthy... I don't think that means we can't speculate about if there's an even healthier option.
I don't think avoiding or limiting oil is a completely ridiculous idea -- this video saying there are no real world applications to this study doesn't make sense to me. Just... eat a low oil Mediterranean diet? Most likely that will do even better than a regular Mediterranean diet. And the idea that this is not a realistic lever most people can pull is absurd, most people use way too much oil.
And finally, to the point that "it's not olive oil that's making us fat, it's the ultraprocessed foods and food culture" seems very against the ethos of this channel. It could be all three, an interaction between them, etc. And I'm not anti-fat at all, but it seems logical to me that modifying the fat content in the diet slightly downwards (substituting with complex carbs, fruits and vegetables, etc) could very plausibly facilitate weight loss and could be a useful tool.
Mic is nitpicking and in the context of his past this video was absolutely necessary. That dude needs humbling.
I agree! Especially since most people are already eating too many calories and might start adding a tablespoon or more Olive oil to their diet "for health". I've seen people do that...
@@sunnygirl5467 This is exactly what I was thinking of!
This video lumps everything together saying "unsaturated fats protect you from heart disease!" to gotcha the original video, but I really doubt that? It depends on context. It seems to me that it's the substitution of saturated fat for unsaturated fat that is protective of heart disease.
If you're already eating a diet low in saturated fat and adequate in calories and fats (aka everyone without an eating disorder or Freelee, yes I realize that actually excludes a significant portion of vegans online), how can you make the argument that adding more unsaturated fats, possibly at the risk of going into a calorie surplus, is a good thing? That seems to be what the vegan oil defenders argue for, including this video, instead of the much more reasonable position that unsaturated fat like oils (probably) aren't *bad* for you, but it probably isn't going to provide any extra benefit to the vast majority of people. I can certainly think of better ways to expend that part of my "calorie budget".
that's all this channel is just engagement farming
@@perrydimes6915 YESS!! 100% agreed, this is exactly what I was trying to say :)
The building blocks of organic life are proteins, carbohydrates and lipids. You're gonna need each to live but its still different depending on the person. It seems that the recent trend in demonizing oils is misplaced fear, scientific illiteracy AND a way to assert a moral and class superiority.
*Exactly.* 👍🏻
Really? So you think dr. Esselstyn, dr. mcDougall and dr. Rogers are wrong in their findings on oil (or fat at large). All vegetables and fruits have lipids, we don't need oil (or animal fats) for that. I think i rather believe these 3 and whole slew of other doctors tbh, nothing to do with scientific illiteracy to be familiar with the works of Walter Kempner, Nathan Pritikin, Gregory Sloop or Denis Burkitt who all promote low fat diets. And that's fat, not even oil which is highly processed and in cases of PUFA almost always already rancid and toxic hydroxynonenal forming (source Tetsumori Yamashima who was tasked by the government of Japan to find causes of Alzheimer). What are your sources for what you think on it?
I try to get most of my calories from whole foods but sometimes I just want pancakes cooked with oil so they don't stick to the pan 😊 also, I want restaurant food once in a while, which is often doused in oil. It's good to know that some oil is fine in a vegan diet.
Exactlyyyy
That Fume thing is insanely overpriced! It's the same thing as the $4 menthol inhalers you sniff when you have a stopped up nose.
- Coming from an ex smoker/ vaper, it'd be better than nothing to help you quit cigs but just barely. Vaping is a better tool. It's 97% safer than cigs and my friend's pulmonologist (lung specialist) told him that and said to switch from smoking to vaping to help his COPD. (It's not 100% safe though so don't start if you don't smoke.) I switched and then tapered down the amount of nicotine until it had none, was just flavor, and then quit vaping.
Agreed - the price of that thing blew my mind for what it is! I’m in the UK and there are specific regulations for vapes/eliquids and what can be in the ingredients. I’ve not smoked for almost a year using my vape with low nicotine. Ideally I know I should stop entirely but don’t want to crave cigarettes again.
@@melzymoomin888 Give it some more time then get to 0 nicotine. Then maybe just use it in the car or at certain times then phase it out. Even if you don't quit it's such an improvement over smoking.
@dez6278 That’s fantastic! Congratulations on your achievement of quitting smoking! The BEST thing you could do for your health and happiness.
@@faithjulian753 Thank you!
@MdoubleHBx4 You're a damn nut.
The Füm ad had me laughing so hard! Like what ...
Oil of any kind just adds unnecessary calories and makes it easier to eat more than you need. Baked or boiled potatoes have roughly a third of the calories of the same potato fried in oil even though the volume of the food is pretty much the same. Going super low fat, whole food, plant based in my diet allowed me to lose weight without being disciplined in portion size or just accept being hungry a lot and get my HbA1C in the non-diabetic range and all the health markers in my blood tests are now good. I've learnt how to cook without oils and see no reason to add it back in.
The number of total calories you eat doesn't matter. Only the amount of fat matters. Potatoes with oil are fattening. Potatoes with maple syrup are not fattening. Higher calorie dense fruits like dates and raisins are not fattening either.
@@dj-fe4ck why would you eat potatoes with maple syrup
@@dj-fe4ckWhile I agree with you to a degree, total calories are part of the equation.
@@dj-fe4ck Just found out they often coat raisins in sunflower oil smh.
I was born and raised in the middle east (Kuwait), spent over half my life there... and God damn, they pour olive oil on HEAVYYYY on everything...... 4-6 table spoons in a batch of hummus, 2 in the prep, and then 4 for the top dressing... Za'atur and khoobs for breakfast (you tear the flat bread, bathe it it in a small bowl of olive oil, and then dip it in this thyme herb), olives in olive oil, salad in olive oil, cooking in olive oil, dunked on beans etc. I don't have a health opinion here, I'm just pointing out some people go crazy with it and definitely eat in a caloric surplus when combined with everything else. For me personally, it makes my food taste nicer, I get healthy fats, I get to have vegan butter, and being more on the leaner / skinnier side, I certainly want more caloric dense foods / omegas / fats in my diet - which I get from moderate oil use.
I love watching vegan videos and getting meat commercials in between. Good job YT. Anyway, thank you for making this video, Unnatural Vegan.
Just lay back and enjoy the fact that the industry which you oppose is wasting resources on you.
11 yrs wholefood vegan here. I don’t eat any refined carbs or processed foods because my anxious brain feels the calmest on complex carbs. I make sure not to eat palm or or hydrated fats e.g. in vegam stock cudes.m or vegan snacks. Apart from eating some seeds or nuts daily I add 1-2 tablespoons of olive oil to dinner. And my Cholesterol Panels have always been IDEAL smack reflecting the typical idea Vegan cholesterol level from the study done years ago on Vegan vs Vegetarian vs Meat-eaters’ cholesterol levels.
A decade ago I was wholefood vegetarian and also used olive oil.
So if cold-pressed olive oil (the only oil I use) was indeed unhealthy I’d assume I’d see some negative effects by now.
IMO white sugar is much more unhealthy🍄🍄🍄
Depends on the person. When I add 2 tablespoons of olive oil to my diet, my LDL jumps from 90 to almost 120 mg/dL. It has too much saturated fat for me, so I stick with nuts, seeds, grains, and tofu for my fatty acids. I only eat whole foods except for tofu. No refined sugars. I should have LDL below 70 for how I eat. So, personally, I don't want my LDL at 120 mg/dL.
You get the same amount of saturated fat from nuts and seeds as you would from olive oil. Neither of them are considered high saturated fat sources.
I would rather eat cane sugar, coconut sugar, or maple syrup instead of oils or nuts or any other overt fats.
@@dj-fe4ck Almonds are 7.6% saturated fat vs olive oil that is 14% saturated fat. Also, if you are referring to my comment, I said I added olive oil. I was not replacing anything. I would eat the same amount of nuts and seeds regardless of the amount of olive oil consumed. Now when I add calories to my diet, I primarily add protein and carbs, not fat; simply because I'm sensitive to saturated fat. Two tablespoons of olive oil is around 10% of total calories for the typical healthy person.
Olive oil is a staple of blue zone lifestyles. That tells me all I need to know.
Well, not in all of them, in Japan defenitely not😂
@@sunnygirl5467 I'm sure you thought this was a Gotcha, but I'm pretty sure olive oil has made it over to Japan 🥲 it's just not a traditional food.
@@Swameh uuuhm..so you are trying to tell me that olive oil has been a "staple" in the diet of the centenarians in Japan? Are you sure that like 50 or 70 years ago, the people in Okinawa eating a traditional japanese diet ate Olive Oil on the regular? I don't think so and thats what I said...
Or Nicoya peninsula Costa Rica as for Loma Linda not sure I know they eat a lot of nuts .
The little tidbits at the very end of your videos always make me LOL.
I defenitely don't think Olive Oil is unhealthy, according to scientific literature it's just not, buuut I still don't eat oil and I think there are some relevant reasons maybe not to. I already eat a very wholefood plant based (fully vegan) diet. I'm 19 now, been doing it since 15 yo. Basically just fruit, veggies, nuts and seeds, whole grains, legumes and fungi. I love it and don't feel like missing out. For me there is no purpose of intentionally adding oil, since I already eat about 50 grams of various nuts and seeds with plenty of healthy fats. They come with extra benefits like volume, chewing sensation and fibre, which oil does not have. It's easy as that for me. I think it's supported by evidence, that for these reasons nuts and seeds are a really good choice to get healthy fats in, since they are good for the gut microbiome and teeth since you have to chew them and they contain fibre, which oil does not have. There is a lot of nuance though, no black and white. If oil helps you to get extra veggies and legumes in and doesn't lead you to eat over maintenance and you prefer it over chomping on a lot of nuts and seeds , it's the right choice for you. If you already eat enough nuts and seeds and don't need it to cover your healthy fats, why add it if it doesn't bring those other benefits that nuts and seeds do. 🌱🙂↕️🥗🥦🥑🫐🫘🌼
You're absolutely right and well ahead of the curve at such a young age. I've found "healthy fats" and such more a buzzword for marketing now, all vegetables, fruits and starches have plenty healthy fats. My source dr. John mcDougall.
Wow, I totally forgot about mic the vegan. I found his channel around the time I went vegan 8 years ago and was watching some of videos. Found you right around the same time and remember seeing your video response to him, and I never really watched much from him after that. I was never too crazy about him anyway
I go through bottles of oil for my pastries and I portion sweets as well as use 1 tbsp or more for frying. I don’t feel like this is a danger to my health in any way
Not "scientific" I guess but szechuan chili oil cured my depression and that's gotta count for something.
szechuanese cooking including mapo tofu is the reason i cant go completely oil free; sesame oil and erjingtiao chili oil is too fragrant to give up
Actually I do add two tbsp of extra virgin olive oil to my salad.
It's just the right amount. Maybe my salad portion are just way bigger than yours.
150g to 200g of green, one cucumber (large one), two big tomatoes and rarely a handful of nuts.
Yeah, a salad is unsatisfying without some kind of fat. I'd probably opt for alternatives like adding avocados or tahini or something instead of just straight oil. Those taste better imo.
9:12 Who? Most people! Most people use tons of oil!
Yeah I thought that was funny. I use plenty of oil, I have to make sure I dint use too much
Is this only about taste and cooking convenience? As someone living with CAD and an inherited hyperlipidemia profile I avoid oil as much as possible in view of the scientifically established post meal behavior of coronary artery endothelial cells. I can get my antioxidants elsewhere. This discussion is appreciated however in view of the actual findings of this study and the weaknesses of the dissected video!
My opinion is people want oil to be healthy cuz otherwise they get sad, cuz oil allows for junky tastier food.
Yes. That's the only reason. Not because it makes everything taste better, even healthy food. Or because it is a staple food for millions of people. Or because of cultural relevance. Or because there's no reason for a balanced diet to be missing oil.
No, the only reason is because apparently they now use olive oil for junk food.
@@luckylarita1630 I dont get what you are trying to argue with me, you pretty much agreed with me by saying people eat it for enhanced taste.
I can see reasons why they don't make studies isocaloric. It's to simulate how people eat real food. Oil makes it much easier to fill up on calories without feeling full. It's a trick I learnt as an endurance athlete who fails to get sufficient calories being whole food plant based.
Looking at my wife's cronometer - she's 5ft8" 63kg and walks/hikes an average of 40 miles a week. She eats 1600 calories a day avg over last 6 months. Without the activity her maintenance would be ~1300.
I love the "whut" at 20:16 so much lmao
I love your common sense approach to things. ❤
"OO has most of the beneficial factors of olives" - nearly all the polyphenols are lost in the wastewater when making OO. That's why the amounts are so trivially low in OO.
A vegan diet is not a Mediterranean diet. A Mediterranean diet includes animal products.
Nobody suggested otherwise but thanks I guess.
The biggest problem, in my opinion, with oil is the caloric density. Eating enough food to be full and including four tablespoons or more of any oil per day could easily put one over his or her caloric needs for the day. Over time, this can lead to overweight and/or obesity. It would be ironic to start eating oil to get a benefit for your cholesterol level and then become overweight and have other health issues because of that.
Love your shirt! You also look really pretty.
"The calorie intake was significantly different between both groups" - Thats honestly all you need to know
I have a low bmi and I'm active. I don't worry about oil intake. My cholesterol dropped from 240 to 144 after going vegan.
Gill at Nutrition Made Simple just released an interview with Esselstyn. I only watched the summary. Gil's still not buying it.
It would be interesting to see a study on Asian oil use. I live in Asia. We seldom use olive oil,but yellow or white sesame oil. Not the brown kind used as a dressing.
“I’m so tired.” lol
Yikes your Mic the Vegan hate is highly unattractive. You should listen to the lead researcher talk about her study to better understand. Mic is on point.
Criticizing a take doesn’t mean hate. Maybe you should try being less emotional.
You should know, essential oils aren't actually oil. My thought when i heard Mic advertise those was that he just had slim pickings about sponsors and needed to pick one. I just didn't let it bother me.
He’d be horrified to see all the olive oil I used to made crostini the other day, which I then ate with white bean dip that also had olive oil in it…it was delicious
Yum sounds delish
@MdoubleHBx4 bro who are you? i swear i see you saying this stuff under all of her videos
Why are you guys making it seem like he has an ED?
It’s not that oils are “bad.” It’s simply that consuming, daily, a high amount of fat, is not health-promoting. Oil is processed and concentrated fat, and it’s in just about every dang thing we buy/eat. Fat is put into everything it seems, and therefore we should not be adding more into our diets, through the consumption of pure oil. For example, home cooking should not include any oils. It’s not necessary, doesn’t affect flavor, it’s just excess-unless it’s your only source of fats. But let’s face it, most people are eating store-bought and processed foods. If people actually took the time to count the amount of fat they consume, I’d bet almost all of us would discover we are consuming far too much fat each day, far more than recommended. That’s not healthy. Not to mention most of us need to lose some weight, excess visceral fat, and many need to counter lifelong overconsumption of fats and need to reduce risk of disease.
These are two different things though. The conclusion Mic comes to is that “oil is bad but in moderation can be ok” but the literature is showing that low SF plant oils can actually be health promoting in moderate quantities, they can be very beneficial to add to diets.
I like Mic, he was an introduction for many to a lot of the vegan influencers and science based communities but he *needs* to change his position on this, it’s just wrong and agenda fuelled.
@@spikyball5883 They are beneficial for blood viscosity but they are toxic to our brains when rancid, and they go rancid quick. Source, Tetsumori Yamashima.
I used about 2 tablespoons of olive oil per day for cooking, and this is for me and my wife. Who the heck wants to live oil free? Can't even brown up some tofu, I'm good on that.
I can imagine whole foods, like nuts and olives, having a different phytochemical profile to oils extracted from them, but I'd be surprised if it makes a particular big difference to health outcomes.
I live in Israel, and easily can get to 4 tablespoons of olive oil if it wasn't so darn expensive. A tablespoon in salad, a tablespoon on bread with hummus, and two tablespoons in cooking lunch and dinner.
I had the ick with the sponsor too and I made a comment nicely expressing my concerns like the ones u bring up here but no response :'''''(
He announced in a later video he won’t work with them any more
@@clairbear1234 yay that's great! which video was it? I must have missed it 😭
He won't drink oils, but he will inhale them.
Most ppl make a salad dressing with equal parts oil and vinegar and if they buy their dressing, they will be getting even more oil, per tbs of dressing. And lets face it, many put far more dressing then needed, cause it tastes good.
For someone obese, who’s health is at jeopardy, cutting out 4tbs of added oil can cut 400-600cal depending on oil used and is sustainable because water takes the place of pan oil and there a numerous good tasting dressings you can make that don’t use oil and actually have added health benefits.
Just as personal choice, I don’t use oil for cooking or for anything anymore but do get the same oils in their whole form, threw a handful of sunflower seeds(not the 300 it takes to produce a Tbs of oil) which then also include the potassium, calcium, zinc, phosphorous and copper that comes in each seed, that’s destroyed from the refining & chemical extraction, etc needed to produce shelf stable oil.
One last thought, I agree, fume, even if regulated to a certain extent in Canada, is hardly a product I’d want to see any health advocate push and having been once a smoker back in the day, I can emphatically say a non-nicotine substitute would never of helped me quit, so this is going to mostly appeal to young kids who can’t buy vape …which is just somewhat evil.
I think Mic wants to highlight that most people do die of heart disease and so avoiding oil can be really beneficial for prevention. In most people. However, not everyone needs to lose weight. Much better to use good quality olive oil vs. eating junk with tonnes of palm oil in it. I also think most people don't think about using oils in a sensible way as you do. Soooo, it's a tough one 😊
I think it’s not just the type of oil, but also the AMOUNT consumed. For example, some studies have shown that small amounts of EVOO (about half a teaspoon at a meal) can reduce the oxidation effects of eating meat, but eating a full teaspoon or more had a paradoxical effect, giving the meat a more pronounced pro-oxidation effect. I choose to use very little oil, period. I do use it, but at a fraction of the amount most people do.
That's nice, Using only a faction of what most other people use must feel great.
@@Swimmaroothat’s nice, ad populum fallacy in place of sound reasoning … (conclusions based on the number of people who believe something to be true).
I kind of think the whole oil versus no oil thing is flawed a bit on the surface. I think the reason so many think oil is bad is simply because oil is often associated with fried foods junk foods etc. Yeah, a diet where you eat a lot of fries, chips, fried chicken, etc is going to be high in oil. However, it doesn't necessarily mean the oil itself is the main culprit. Yes, oil is a huge part of the frying process. However, that isn't the entire problem! I think a lot of people look at junk food heavy diets and make surface level associations with ingredients in the junk food diets. Rather than saying, junk food diets are bad! We know that! It doesn't mean a teaspoon for of olive oil canola oil etc is going to kill you. Yeah, slathering everything in it probably isn't good for you. But, it isn't a total negative part of a diet.
I trust Mike significantly more...
Why are people from restrictive diet communities so hell bent on making food taste unpleasant? Anti-oil, raw vegan, keto, paleo, Neolithic… extra-terrestrial diet etc…
Like, what is the purpose? Why must people go to such extremes and make eating suck so terribly?
How about making a tasty, nutritionally balanced meal, in a decent portion size, eating until you are full and then … going on with your day?
"sugar has nothing going for it". Oil is pure fat and has nothing going for it other then it makes food taste good. I am not anti-oil but having a dig at sugar being bad for you when its separated from its fruit fiber beginnings is very contradictory to your points about processed oil and just straight up wrong. Carbohydrates fuel the body no matter what they come from. Fats are what people should be concerned about. All those "hyperpalatable foods" are full of fat. Sometimes accompanied by sugar but when was the last time you had sugar sprinkled on a big mac. One of the biggest reasons that meat is such a health risk is its heavy fat content. Having fat is essential to ensuring you don't become underweight but sugar is important for keeping you alive. Brain and muscles run on it and it annoys me to when sugar is demonized and fat is considered healthy when fat is the thing that needs to be regulated in a healthy diet.
Which TDEEE calculator did you use?
I say this as someone who is more likely to be mistaken for a lumberjack than a vegan, I think people that look like Mic do so much harm to the cause. He's essentially the poster boy for what men fear they will look like when they go plant based.
They both seem to be fans of the dull, pasty, clammy skin look. Maybe 5 or 10 minutes a month in the sun would help.
He’s also over 6” and naturally lean. He isn’t going to look bulky and would never use steriods for the “lumberjack look” you describe
your salad reminds me of poke bowls 😩 sounds so good
You can eat whatever you want it just appears to be healthier to avoid processed foods, sugar, oil and protein powders. I will still include those in my diet regardless...
Protein powder is bad for us now... ? 😑
@@kourtenayt1927 bad is relative compared to whole foods. Protein powder is a means to an end
Had to smile anybody in England won't be having 4 tablespoons you need a mortgage to afford it 😂
LOL you can get a stainless steel aromatherapy inhaler with cotton pads inside to put flavored/scented stuff on for like $6. I use them for poppers so they don't spill. LOL.
IN THE PREDIMED STUDY... THE LOW FAT GROUP WASN'T LOW FAT... 37 PERCENT OF CALORIES WERE FROM FAT
That orchid is beautiful.
Fat makes things taste good. If you're trying to convince people to not only become vegan, but to give up a huge component of food flavoring, 99% of people would quit within a month.
I agree with the gist of it. But here are three points to consider:
1. Fat is not necessarily only oil. In a lot of dishes (not all) replacing oil with nutt or seed butter makes it much more flavourful and much more delicious.
2. Oil being a main flavouring is mainly due to our extremely bad food environment. Miso, soy sauce, fermented bean curd, lacto-fermentation, nooch ... needs no oil to be delicious.
3. I'm someone that likes to stuff themselves and has no intention to work on that. On the downside I have to be mindful of fat and oil. I use oil (and other fat sources). But it's not a huge source of flavour. I would compare it to sugar. We have normalised a sugar density that's dulling all other flavours. The same with fat.
I don't think most sweet or fatty things are flavourful. I think people confuse "flavourful" with "appetite inducing". I like my food to be flavourful and satiating.
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaosoil is not so much a source of flavoring, it helps you taste the fat-soluble flavor molecules in the other ingredients you use.
@@TasteOfButterflies
I essentially agree. But I like to add:
a) fat itself might have a flavour - there are possibly receptors on the tongue that activate with fat - and some flavour (or better smell) compounds are bound to fat (peanut butter Vs. PB2 for example).
b) fat helps other molecules to get airborne. So we smell things while eating. Most of what we call taste is smell. This is how fat enhances flavour.
c) Too much fat prevents the same molecules to get airborne. With what much fat (and what type of fat) it happens depends on the concrete molecule. We put so much fat in some things that you end up dulling things down.
My main point with fat was (c). People are dulling things down with fat. And they are confusing "it tastes good" with "appetite inducing" (hyper-palatability).
Yet there are thousands of happy mcDougallers and other low fat vegans like Chef AJ and Kathie Carmichael.
Great video !! , Q : You said the oils have the same value as their whole food sources such as Canola oil, but, ARE THEY HEALTHIER THAN THE WHOLE SOURCE ? >>>>> Canola Oil is from Rape Seed, which is a toxic grass grown for 10,000 years as a biofuel , and was not a food item until it was engineered to be less toxic. (fairly recebtly )
It originally caused HEART attacks in Cattle ! So , are you sure it is now, with the heavy industrial processing they use, entirely SAFE ? Just asking !
Part of what I read :
Rapeseed oil is one of the oldest known vegetable oils, but historically was used in limited quantities due to high levels of erucic acid, which is damaging to cardiac muscle of animals, and glucosinolates, which made it less nutritious in animal feed.
Given how common Canola/rapeseed oil is, wouldn't there be actual evidence of toxicity in humans? How is it relevant that some ancient variety of rapeseed was toxic to cattle?
There's a lot of fear-mongering about oils lately, so you have to ask yourself: is this person giving me relevant information, or are they just throwing around scary-sounding bullshit to frighten me into buying their supplement/book/diet?
What might the oil be exposed to during the processing? A chemical possibly?
My question is, where are the best resources for vegans to learn? What books should we read? Is there a general agreement on oils in the medical community that aren't funded by big oil companies? The reason we go to the no oil gurus is that, that's all we know of. So where is the real stuff at that isn't BS?
Just use common sense. Oil isn‘t bad for you if you don‘t chug a bottle of it a day. You can still reduce oil consumption for calorie goals or preference.
For most healthy and active people, oil should not be a concern
is flaxseed and hempseed oil good to eat and if so how much?
i still find oils confusing due to the omega 6 vs 3 thing :/
Take all that I say with a grain of salt please, but here goes:
Omega 3 rich oils are fine, so are high omega 6 oils. There is some evidence suggesting that omega 3/6 ratio influences ALA (base omega 3) conversion to DHA, however the evidence could also mean that more dietary ALA than expected is required to optimise it conversion to DHA. There are some studies on perilla oil and DHA thay might interest you. Perilla oil is very high in ALA.
A few extra points:
1. It does not seem that omega 6 rich oils are inflammatory. A deficiency in omega 3 might be. (Many factors apply)
2. It turns out that omega 3 is less easily oxidised than omega 6. I am not sure how large this difference is and it is questionable if consumption of oxidised fats (at reasonable dosages) is very harmful for the human body. Oxidation does make omegas lose their health benefits though.
@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear Oxidized PUFA's are very toxic to our brains, they form hydroxynonenal which breaks the enzyme responsible for waste removal during our sleep, source Tetsumori Yamashima. Dr. Peter Rogers has many videos explaining how the hydrogen atom in the PUFA oils is very unstable and then it's snatched off by a stronger electron you get rancid oil and this conversion. Leafy greens especially but all veggies, starches and fruits have plenty of omega 3 and 6 in the correct ratios.
Fum thing is fine. Lets not fear monger about it. Chances of anything bad happening is virtually none
2:25 Criss-cross?
The amish cigarrete part (füm) is hilarious 😂, it reminds me of those knives used for wood carving 🪵
Less processed is always better. I eat olives and avocados and use their oils very sparingly.
It’s quite scary that the majority of the comments beneath this already are just straight up strawmans 🤣🤣
“No one is saying a bit of oil will kill you” but that still implies oil in moderation is bad, which is clearly isn’t.
Yes oil can be bad, oil sneaked into UPFs are bad, that’s not what any of these videos are covering why does it kept being brought up.
UPFs bad, low SF oil can be good in moderation
If you don't want to die from a heart attack, I dunno, maybe go outside and also train your cardiorespiratory fitness? Your heart is a muscle. You don't drink protein shakes until you can squat more than your body weight, and you aren't going to cut out olive oil to have an amazingly strong heart muscle.
yasss hes like my favorite person you respond to because you always eat him up 😇😇😇
Flavoured air. Good lord, vapes barely work for quitting, flavoured air would just make me angry
Oh the pricing lmfao 😅 smoking is cheap in comparison
I’ve been watching you for close to a decade??? Whoa.
Surely he’ll find his way out of that rabbit hole one day! 🤦♂️
Really? It’s super concentrated. Too much of anything can be bad of course. I agree with mic 💯
4 tablespoons of olive oil is a lot of calories “when you’re supposed to be eating about 2,000 calories a day.” Um, says who? The number of calories one should eat in a day varies wildly based on a number of factors such as activity level, sex, age, fitness, goals, etc..
@@IrnBruNYC Yeah, I think 2,000 is for the average man. As a 5'4 woman I'd gain a lot of weight eating that much.
How many total calories you eat doesn't matter. Just the amount of fat matters. If fat is less than 10 or 15% of your total caloric intake, and animal protein less than 5%, preferably 0%, You can eat as much as you want until you are satisfied. Carbs don't make you fat.
@@dez62782000 a day should be the minimum that you eat.
@@dj-fe4ck That is absolutely false. Eating that way made me diabetic, and fat. Carbs make your blood sugar spike and when it comes down in 2hrs you get hungry again, so every 2-3hrs I was eating more carbs, which made me insulin resistant (all carbs turn into sugar in the body). Protein and fat digest slower, cause less sugar/insulin spikes, and are much more satiating than carbs for these reasons.
All calories count to make you fat. I've lost that extra weight now, 90lbs, by calorie counting alone and I don't exclude any food group, but we have learned from experience after being told by weight-loss clinics to prioritize high protein and fiber and eat it first, so you don't have as much room for foods that'll leave you hungry again in 2 hours. Eating those with the carbs slows digestion of the carbs, preventing a huge sugar spike since they hit your bloodstream at a rate your insulin can better handle. Diabetics are told to do this. I think everyone should eat what they feel is best for them though.
@dez6278 I can eat an enormous meal of plain white rice or white wheat pasta in one meal. 2500-3000 calories in one sitting, and I'm not hungry again for at least 18 hours. The same after a big meal of whole grains or potatoes. My a1c when I last tested it was 5.0 and my fasting insulin was 2.3, and I'm 5'8 and always 120-130 pounds.
The only oil Mike seems to favor is Snake Oil.