The 4K60 heating is rather interesting. Here is a hypothesis for you. They did not want to release 4K60 oversampled at launch because it would have a short record time before overheating. By giving it to us later, we will be so glad they gave it to us, the limitations due to heat will become secondary. So from a PR perspective waiting to give it to us makes a lot of sense (this coming from an old marketing guy).
I agree. It's all about the optics of the matter because practically speaking, anyone doing long form 4K60 recording is doing so with a more fully featured video camera. The omission of oversampled 4K60 is 100% just to keep a bunch of TH-cam yahoos from shouting about how it melts down in 20 mins, no better than the OG R5 etc. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets added in a firmware update.
If you are a working professional the the R5ii is the camera. I don't see why a working professional would want lower MP count worst autofocus and clog 3 over clog2.
@@answeris4217I think he’s simply saying if you’re a wedding videographer you need a camera that can record all day in the heat and the R5ii is not that camera.
I find these tests pretty interesting. Just yesterday i was doing overheating testing for R5 mark ii . I was running 4K Raw with USBc PD(cos i have one battery lol) I got it more than 2 hrs 10 mins to run the camera with 5 signs of overheating warning level. Then i got bored. More than 2 hrs i have never shoot that long straight continuously. My room temp was pretty hot(No Ac) with 27/28 Degree celsius. No windows were open too.
The R5ii has been such an amazing upgrade for video over the R5. First, while the R5 has excellent AF for photo, it's only good for video. While it can do a great job, it can easily get confused in complex situations (like lots of people in the scene). So it requires a lot of handholding. The R5ii is almost magical and just reads my mind in what to focus on. The exposure tools and AF are so far above the R5. CLOG2 is a really nice upgrade over CLOG3. The 4k30 is just so beautiful. Another huge benefit is XF-AVC on the R5ii versus the CPU-heavy h.265 10-bit 4:2:2 that the R5 had. So editing video footage from the R5ii is super easy even with a lot of effects enabled. I often had to lower the display resolution with R5 footage to keep editing smooth.
You're welcome. Yeah this video took a long time to make and many of the tests were not even shown in the video. I don't think this is the camera to use out in the summer heat if you are doing long takes. Thanks for watching!
Here's a test you should try. And it comes from some theories and observations I made with the Canon V10. It's not exactly the temperature that causes the V10 to overheat. It's the inability for the surrounding environment to whisk away the heat. I had the camera in an enclosed room with no moving air that was around 70F. It overheated fairly quickly when I set it to the skin smoothening filter. But I took that camera outside with even higher ambient temperature but with some air blowing (even when it's warm air) and that was enough to keep the camera from overheating. So the test that would be cool for you to try is to heat the room up but have an external fan just wafting the air around. You don't need to aim the fan at the camera but just have moving air in the room. I think the camera will perform better in that situation (warm room but moving air) than a static room at a lower temperature.
Great video as always Josh. I think this video has confirmed for me that for someone who solely does video (and wants full frame) the R5C or C80 would be the better and more sensible options.
this is good to know. Basically the Optimal Setup is a R5II with the Fan Grip, 2 LP-E6P and USB power Delivery. To get it to perform as a Long form recording camera.
I’m curious to see how this does in places like Costa Rica. Hoping to have one when I go later this year as my R5 has over heated there before I even started shooting when it’s super hot and humid. R3 and R5C never overheated once.
Maybe I'll have to come with you to Costa Rica so we can test it out! 😉 It will probably depend on how you are using the camera in terms of resolutions, frame rates, pre-shooting, etc. I bet it will be pretty similar to the R5 if you aren't using the cooling grip. R5C and R3 are definitely better with heat management because of the fan and bigger body.
I updated the R5II with the new firmware update and better battery life for the P Battery. So when the overheating bar starts showing, I stop recording and the camera looses the bars quickly just the same as before the update. But 4k 30 Fine-D around 85 degrees for about 45 minutes before it stopped recording. I started the recording and went inside and forgot that it was on. I was on for about an hour. So the recording saved and I believe that it stopped when the overheating reached the limit. It is set to High Temperature. I do use the Cooling Grip and it works pretty good. I agree not run in Fine Mode. Cheers!
Once again, excellent comparison. I've been on the fence about purchasing the cooling grip since most of my shoots have been fine. I have had it overheat in 4k 60 when shooting houses, but it's usually because the first 40min is photography and then last 15-20min is video. I'm sure if I ran it from the start in video I would get a longer run time before overheating. I'm curious if you tested transfer speeds from the 2.5gb ethernet vs using the cfast express B directly into your computer? That alone may be worth it for me if it speeds up the process.
Thanks! If you aren't having any issues with your workflow then you probably don't need the grip. I haven't tested the ethernet port and I most likely won't. I find the transfer speeds to be plenty fast when plugging the CFB cards into a card reader.
Awesome video! I wonder if using a dummy battery will reduce those overheat times. My original R5 has never overheated, but I used a kondor blue dummy battery to Vmount. Waiting for them to bring out an LP-E6P variant! PS, I know there's only a 30min record limit, but do you think that using the LPE6P battery in the original R5 will yield the same results you got with the R5C?
Well, you just made deciding just a little easier for me. I very regularly shoot documentary interviews that push two hours. I'll forego the Canon R5 Mark II and get two of the Canon C80s instead.
Do you prefer using USB-C or a dummy battery to charge the R5II? The new Atomos Shinobi II can supposedly charge the battery (not from fully depleted) via USB-C while also controlling the camera.
Hey Josh….. quick question. For the R5C is it possible to use the the lense IS and the Digital IS separately? Or does it follow the same rule where both lense and digital IS are on or off simultaneously.
Great test! Thank you. And Yikes. Not sure why anyboody would get this over the c80 for pro video. Especially corporate. It would be stressful using the r5ii.
If only canon was as smart as lumix. Look how wonderful they integrated a fan in lumix s5ii. You dont even notice its there but it works. Canon is a strange company everything is super expensive, they are sloww in innovation and they cripple their cameras.
Thanks! I don't think a cooling grip like this would be possible for the R5 since the R5II is designed for it. The R5II has a path for air to flow through the camera, while the R5 does not. There are some third party manufacturers that make fans that attach to the back of cameras, but I have not tried them.
Like I said in the video, if you need a reliable camera to run for long periods or in hot environments then you should get a video focused camera that has a fan in it. The R5C will not overheat.
@@Josh_Sattin thank you Josh ! Just impressed in 2024 canon is still straggling with this issue. I’m a Sony users (a7siii) wanting to try cannon hybrid camera . Thanks !
@@jaimealmeida1271a7siii is a video camera in a still body with only 12mp. I believe the majority of high megapixel cameras that shoot 8k have the ability to overheat. I’ve seen some say this about the z8. I also seen reviews where the a7iv would overheat.
Have you noticed that in Canon R5's 8K RAW mode, the exposure changes in DaVinci Resolve even though you have selected a specific ISO value in the Camera RAW settings? (I have shot the video with auto ISO) Weird...
I don't get this grip at all man. Why is the fan controlled by the camera??? I would prefer being able to get the fan to run full tilt between shots. I'm sure somebody will make a metal cage for this with a powerful fan that you can power when the camera isn't on while being able to fully rig it up. Maybe with the basic controls on a top or side handle.
@@Josh_Sattin If the camera is turned off then the fan isn't working. The only advantage I see to the camera controlling the fan is that it can turn on the fan when it starts to get hot but you could still have that with a physical switch on the fan. Something like the switches on lenses. Auto_1_2_3 it's never off off but you could have it running when the camera is turned off.
Annoying those people complaining about its video specs, we’ve been known that the R5 is a amazing primary photo camera as Josh also said.. go get the Canon R5C or a freaking cinema camera then stfu.
It's a Photo hybride camera, it's mainly made to take great photos, who cares about the fucking videos and overheating issues, if you are a videographer, get the R5C or the C80 and leave us alone !
The 4K60 heating is rather interesting. Here is a hypothesis for you. They did not want to release 4K60 oversampled at launch because it would have a short record time before overheating. By giving it to us later, we will be so glad they gave it to us, the limitations due to heat will become secondary. So from a PR perspective waiting to give it to us makes a lot of sense (this coming from an old marketing guy).
I agree. It's all about the optics of the matter because practically speaking, anyone doing long form 4K60 recording is doing so with a more fully featured video camera. The omission of oversampled 4K60 is 100% just to keep a bunch of TH-cam yahoos from shouting about how it melts down in 20 mins, no better than the OG R5 etc. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets added in a firmware update.
CANON R6 MARK II Still is the go to for weddings and events!!
R6 mark iii is coming in a few months
If you are a working professional the the R5ii is the camera.
I don't see why a working professional would want lower MP count worst autofocus and clog 3 over clog2.
It’s always reliable for events and great in low light
I wish they gave us 10 bit in standard. 4k.
@@answeris4217I think he’s simply saying if you’re a wedding videographer you need a camera that can record all day in the heat and the R5ii is not that camera.
I find these tests pretty interesting. Just yesterday i was doing overheating testing for R5 mark ii . I was running 4K Raw with USBc PD(cos i have one battery lol) I got it more than 2 hrs 10 mins to run the camera with 5 signs of overheating warning level. Then i got bored. More than 2 hrs i have never shoot that long straight continuously.
My room temp was pretty hot(No Ac) with 27/28 Degree celsius. No windows were open too.
The 4K SRAW is not oversampled like the 4K fine mode. Oversampling is more demanding on the camera so it draws more power and creates more heat.
The R5ii has been such an amazing upgrade for video over the R5. First, while the R5 has excellent AF for photo, it's only good for video. While it can do a great job, it can easily get confused in complex situations (like lots of people in the scene). So it requires a lot of handholding. The R5ii is almost magical and just reads my mind in what to focus on. The exposure tools and AF are so far above the R5. CLOG2 is a really nice upgrade over CLOG3. The 4k30 is just so beautiful. Another huge benefit is XF-AVC on the R5ii versus the CPU-heavy h.265 10-bit 4:2:2 that the R5 had. So editing video footage from the R5ii is super easy even with a lot of effects enabled. I often had to lower the display resolution with R5 footage to keep editing smooth.
what system are you editing on? I've had no issues with h.265 on the R5ii so far in resolve
Lots of time went into making this for us. Thank you. Yeah, it makes me wonder how the R5ii will handle direct summer sun on those brutal days.
You're welcome. Yeah this video took a long time to make and many of the tests were not even shown in the video. I don't think this is the camera to use out in the summer heat if you are doing long takes. Thanks for watching!
Here's a test you should try. And it comes from some theories and observations I made with the Canon V10. It's not exactly the temperature that causes the V10 to overheat. It's the inability for the surrounding environment to whisk away the heat. I had the camera in an enclosed room with no moving air that was around 70F. It overheated fairly quickly when I set it to the skin smoothening filter. But I took that camera outside with even higher ambient temperature but with some air blowing (even when it's warm air) and that was enough to keep the camera from overheating. So the test that would be cool for you to try is to heat the room up but have an external fan just wafting the air around. You don't need to aim the fan at the camera but just have moving air in the room. I think the camera will perform better in that situation (warm room but moving air) than a static room at a lower temperature.
since lumix managed to put a fan into the S5ii why are the others still making worse products
Nota bene. Il coperchio della batteria, prima di agganciarlo nel vano batteria del grip, va pulito bene, se è sporco. 😎
excellent video as always everything we need to know about the heat topic and record modes. Thanks
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great video as always Josh. I think this video has confirmed for me that for someone who solely does video (and wants full frame) the R5C or C80 would be the better and more sensible options.
Thanks! It depends on how you use the camera but there is definitely piece of mind when your camera has a built in fan.
this is good to know. Basically the Optimal Setup is a R5II with the Fan Grip, 2 LP-E6P and USB power Delivery. To get it to perform as a Long form recording camera.
I’m curious to see how this does in places like Costa Rica. Hoping to have one when I go later this year as my R5 has over heated there before I even started shooting when it’s super hot and humid. R3 and R5C never overheated once.
Maybe I'll have to come with you to Costa Rica so we can test it out! 😉 It will probably depend on how you are using the camera in terms of resolutions, frame rates, pre-shooting, etc. I bet it will be pretty similar to the R5 if you aren't using the cooling grip. R5C and R3 are definitely better with heat management because of the fan and bigger body.
Phenomenal video, as usual. Glad i found your channel
Welcome! Glad you found it and thanks for watching!
I updated the R5II with the new firmware update and better battery life for the P Battery. So when the overheating bar starts showing, I stop recording and the camera looses the bars quickly just the same as before the update. But 4k 30 Fine-D around 85 degrees for about 45 minutes before it stopped recording. I started the recording and went inside and forgot that it was on. I was on for about an hour. So the recording saved and I believe that it stopped when the overheating reached the limit. It is set to High Temperature. I do use the Cooling Grip and it works pretty good. I agree not run in Fine Mode. Cheers!
Once again, excellent comparison. I've been on the fence about purchasing the cooling grip since most of my shoots have been fine. I have had it overheat in 4k 60 when shooting houses, but it's usually because the first 40min is photography and then last 15-20min is video. I'm sure if I ran it from the start in video I would get a longer run time before overheating. I'm curious if you tested transfer speeds from the 2.5gb ethernet vs using the cfast express B directly into your computer? That alone may be worth it for me if it speeds up the process.
Thanks! If you aren't having any issues with your workflow then you probably don't need the grip. I haven't tested the ethernet port and I most likely won't. I find the transfer speeds to be plenty fast when plugging the CFB cards into a card reader.
Awesome video! I wonder if using a dummy battery will reduce those overheat times. My original R5 has never overheated, but I used a kondor blue dummy battery to Vmount. Waiting for them to bring out an LP-E6P variant! PS, I know there's only a 30min record limit, but do you think that using the LPE6P battery in the original R5 will yield the same results you got with the R5C?
Well, you just made deciding just a little easier for me. I very regularly shoot documentary interviews that push two hours. I'll forego the Canon R5 Mark II and get two of the Canon C80s instead.
I'm a fan of fans!
😂
Wow, thank you very much. Was very helpful to me
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Nice comparison. It'd be interesting to see if recording externally rather than internally makes much difference.
Do you prefer using USB-C or a dummy battery to charge the R5II? The new Atomos Shinobi II can supposedly charge the battery (not from fully depleted) via USB-C while also controlling the camera.
Seems like Panasonic figured out how to do this years ago. Does it have something to do with weather sealing?
Nice video. Thanks Josh.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Hey Josh….. quick question. For the R5C is it possible to use the the lense IS and the Digital IS separately? Or does it follow the same rule where both lense and digital IS are on or off simultaneously.
Yes you can use those separately on the R5C.
Great test! Thank you. And Yikes. Not sure why anyboody would get this over the c80 for pro video. Especially corporate. It would be stressful using the r5ii.
If only canon was as smart as lumix. Look how wonderful they integrated a fan in lumix s5ii. You dont even notice its there but it works. Canon is a strange company everything is super expensive, they are sloww in innovation and they cripple their cameras.
Of course I end up wondering what 8k 60 is. Since it's an alternative to R5c with external battery for VR lens. But 8k 24 that long is a good sign.
Nice video! Thanks! Somebody should make a fan/battery grip for the Canon R5, still a nice camera!
Thanks! I don't think a cooling grip like this would be possible for the R5 since the R5II is designed for it. The R5II has a path for air to flow through the camera, while the R5 does not. There are some third party manufacturers that make fans that attach to the back of cameras, but I have not tried them.
are the batteries hot swappable in the cooling grip since they are separately accessible?
They are not. If you open the battery door on the grip while the camera is running it shuts off the camera.
Hi Josh , so do you think getting an R5c is a better option getting a reliable hybrid camera?
Like I said in the video, if you need a reliable camera to run for long periods or in hot environments then you should get a video focused camera that has a fan in it. The R5C will not overheat.
@@Josh_Sattin thank you Josh ! Just impressed in 2024 canon is still straggling with this issue. I’m a Sony users (a7siii) wanting to try cannon hybrid camera . Thanks !
You're welcome. Oversampling 8K video generates a lot of heat. The R5C is a fantastic hybrid camera and it has a fan!
@@jaimealmeida1271a7siii is a video camera in a still body with only 12mp. I believe the majority of high megapixel cameras that shoot 8k have the ability to overheat. I’ve seen some say this about the z8. I also seen reviews where the a7iv would overheat.
Have you noticed that in Canon R5's 8K RAW mode, the exposure changes in DaVinci Resolve even though you have selected a specific ISO value in the Camera RAW settings? (I have shot the video with auto ISO) Weird...
How did you manage to power the r5mk2 using USB-C? The PD-E2 appears to not be available yet.
I used a v mount battery with USB-C PD out.
What are your thoughts on 4k60 sraw quality vs clog2? My understanding is they're both line skipped but I've heard sraw is higher quality (sharper).
Like I said in the video, I will be testing out the recording modes and show my results in future videos.
Thanks a lot
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Does the crop mode 4K look better than the line skipped full frame 4K...or the same?
Like I said in the video, I will be testing out the recording modes and show my results in future videos.
I don't get this grip at all man. Why is the fan controlled by the camera??? I would prefer being able to get the fan to run full tilt between shots.
I'm sure somebody will make a metal cage for this with a powerful fan that you can power when the camera isn't on while being able to fully rig it up. Maybe with the basic controls on a top or side handle.
I actually showed the fan settings in this video. You can have it run continuously at one speed or have it max out when not recording.
@@Josh_Sattin If the camera is turned off then the fan isn't working.
The only advantage I see to the camera controlling the fan is that it can turn on the fan when it starts to get hot but you could still have that with a physical switch on the fan. Something like the switches on lenses. Auto_1_2_3 it's never off off but you could have it running when the camera is turned off.
Annoying those people complaining about its video specs, we’ve been known that the R5 is a amazing primary photo camera as Josh also said.. go get the Canon R5C or a freaking cinema camera then stfu.
m r5ii overheated and turned off after 32 mins in Ireland what the......
It's a Photo hybride camera, it's mainly made to take great photos, who cares about the fucking videos and overheating issues, if you are a videographer, get the R5C or the C80 and leave us alone !
4k 24 oversampled on my R6 II never overheats
These results are worse than the original R5 after those farmer updates
120 minutes @. 73deg….thats a hand warmer!