Simon I was one of those that bought the EOS 5DS and back then everyone was saying what your saying about a 100MP camera. That camera turned out to be one of the best Canon cameras I’ve ever owned which I replaced with the R5. The R5 never had as good a colour profile as the 5DS and I often regret selling it. The EOS 5DS / 5DSr were favourites with pro studio shooters doing fashion and food and this is where I think the 100MP would be aimed at. You don’t need fancy video specs, you don’t need high frame rates but you do need good AF and now there to no mirror the camera is less likely to suffer from vibration which affects high MP cameras. The only down side is defraction which would likely arrive at f8.
Have you ever tried a Fuji Medium format camera? I thought he ate thing about 8K video when I bought the R5, but a year later when I tried 8K I was amazed. Sometimes it just takes us trying something to understand why it is needed. When shooting Pixel shift with the R5, I found product and food photography to be impressive. I do understand your viewpoint.
That is just 1 of the 7 things they need to fix ! Make the readout speed so fast (by whatever means that doesn't hurt the IQ) that they can just leave out that horrendous slapping, breaking, mechanical shutter altogether ! Bigger buffer. Better viewfinder.
What we need is new affordable good lenses and for Canon to allow third party lenses. I’m happy with my R6 MkII and my R7 what I need is good affordable glass.
I can’t see the hype about cheap or third party rf glass , when there is plenty of cheap and most likely superior ef L lenses available to use with an adapter. Unless it is something that is not currently available of course.
don't remember if it was the 50mm or 35mm...but it was an f1.2 for whatever mount the A-1 film camera was. It was an absolute beast that gave stunning images, especially when using slide ASA 25 film.
Canon need to show some APSC support, we really need an rf version of the 17-55 f2.8. The best native RF lens is the sigma 18-50, and the best native Canon lens is the 18-150 kit lens. Sony have the 16-55 f2.8 for their APSC camera so what is Canon doing so long to get something like that for the RF mount
I want more MP but I feel like the sensor tech should be better if it does. Right now 45 is really good for most people. 100 is good if people want to crop in even more I guess unless it offers some better image quality. Fuji and Hasselblad 100mp camera images look great because of the special sensor it has and how it handles color and noise.
They still don't get it. It's not about megapixels or AI… it's all about dynamic range, stabilization wobbles, and video low-light capabilities, but I guess they have to overcompensate for their lack of practical technological innovation
Or at least that’s your opinion… I would add that the sensor readout speed and FPS are also valuable assets. And Canon cameras do lead in this regard in the 4000$ and bellow price points. All best
@@Carlos-tm6zk It does seem that's what makes most want to go to Sony vs Canon. Because they are better at that. So you would think they would focus on their main competitor pros and try to beat them at those things, but it seems like they just can't keep up.
@@araavedianfilms I agree that right now Sony is better at sensor making, however, the readout speed of the non stacked sensors makes them basically useless in e-shutter mode, and Canon managed to have a good compromise there in the full frame cameras. But I think that people went to Sony mostly because of the marketing hype around them, not so much because of the specs. And in this last year we’ve seen that trend decrease, IMHO. Btw, Sony also went the MP route and many fell for it, but then, when they needed the speed or the silence (wedding photography, for example) they probably realized some of Sony’s limitations… All best
It is a myth and misunderstanding among amateurs that lenses have a resolution that maxes out at certain mp counts. Lenses that look good at 45 mp will show more details on a 100 mp sensor. Maybe the corners will benefit less, but that‘s okay.
Instead of 100 mp because of defraction and noise. I would love canon to make a 16bit or higher r5 something that’s image quality first. The highest image quality you can get at 5-7 fps.
Great and informative video, Simon. Hopefully the R7ii soon will come too. I am sure that if Canon made a pro 7series, it would sell very good. Put it in a mini r3 body with a 24-26mp stacked sensor. That would have been an amazing sport and wildlife camera for those that don"t want to spend 15-20000 dollar on a camera and a lens. Even if it would cost a bit more, i am 100% certain that it would sell like crazy. I for sure would have been first in the line. Wishing you and yours a great weekend. Cheers, Bjoern
All you said but PLEASE don't drop the megapixels. Being able to crop is just as important as everything else for a bird photographer ! Dropping it to 24mp would effectively make my 800mm lens, a 600mm again :(
Could be the apsc that long time rumoured c50 or something like that? supposedly to be a box style cine camera. I would be surprised if it finally is. An entry level "cinema", fx30 competitor.
this is great for us that do product photography. I already bought a Hasselblad X2D for this and it is perfect for what I do. Will be interesting how this compares to Fuji and others who are already in the 100 megapixel game.
I don't see a 100mp camera with high frames per second. Even if they solved the data throughput issues with Gen 4 cards, the sheer volume of data generated would be staggering. Nor do I see a demand for a 100mp camera for heavy video work. BUT...for landscapes and studio stills? Sure. I think there would be a lot of people eager for that camera. When it comes to a "new segment", for Canon at least, I am seeing some incredible hype over the new Leica Q3 43. It's a 60mp fixed lens retro styled body for "only" $6,895. There ought to be some room for profit margins in that space, especially if all the hype is at all related to impending sales. I'm not sure Canon would ever make a fixed lens body, and they might have to bring out a couple of new compact lenses to really compete, but I don't see that being a show-stopper. But then again, Leica is unapologetic about having one superior fixed lens, so I guess that's a possibility. Neither of those cameras would need all the action-oriented autofocus. The 100mp body would really benefit from high dynamic range and 16 bit color depth. The smaller retro body would probably benefit from excellent image stabilization and superior low light capability. And I think both of those cameras could work with just a BSI sensor (not stacked) which would reduce production costs. Both could live with only moderate video capabilities, and at 100mp they might even be able to leave out video completely like the X2D did. Stills photographers need some love, too. And maybe they could finally conquer the heat issue completely without the need for a cooling grip.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker It seems like it to me too, yet Canon keeps coming out with new cameras that are not APS-C ? Are they def, stupid, or indifferent ???
I went through the same thought process and tested both of those. The X2D was the hands down winner for me. Best camera I’ve ever used with zero video capabilities which makes me smile.
@3:30 YES !!! Fix the 7 or 9 issues with the current R7 ! I freaking love / hate this camera ! I have two of them > because I have NO freaking choice ! Their is nothing else on the market that does what this camera does. OM1.... kind of. But 20mp kind of kills that option too. I guess until Canon comes out with a more pro level APS-C, I'll just have to keep working around all the R7's issues, which of course their are many. Oh, and I absolutely could not care less about anything to do with video. I'm a photographer.
i have canon r7 .I want this things in r7mii -clog 2, a r6 mark ii megapixel sensor but apsc and a dual iso and a improved stabilization and a cf card slot
A 100+ MP sensor in full frame doesn’t make a lot of sense because of diffraction. I use a Fujifilm GFX 100s for landscape photography. With it, although still usable, diffraction starts creeping in by f11. Probably 60-70mp would be as high as you’d want to go in full frame.
I hope Canon will reconsider and put out a R7 Mk2 that is somewhat bigger (the current camera is too small), offers a battery grip, and fixes the rolling shutter issues. Even coming in between $2,500-$3,000 I think such a camera will be a big seller for Canon. It would team beautifully with their 100-500mm zoom. All you have to do is look at all the money being spent by wildlife photographers in places like Yellowstone and the Conowingo Dam, hundreds-of -thousands of dollars of gear lined up side-by-side on tripods, to realize the R7 Mk2 would be a very popular camera.
I've said for a long time that a truly professional level APCS camera would be a great thing for wildlife photographers. I'm talking a sealed body and really comfortable in the hands like the R3. I've decided to move away from wildlife, since I finally figured out that it's really a young man's game. But I know that a professional APSC body would really be appealing for things like birds.
There is a lot of opportunity in the R7 II. A possible refresh in the he next two years is possible. It's like the R6. The R6 II is a much better camera... I hope the same will be in the R7 II
To answer your question: YES!! Like others before, I sold my Canon 5Ds to buy the R5. Although, I'm glad I made the decision to go mirrorless, in many cases the 5Ds images seem as good if not better than the R5 in terms of color, sharpness, and dynamic range. On the rumored high resolution camera, I am so pleased for not upgrading to the R5 mk2 as I will be interested to see and eventually purchase the new high resolution camera. Especially if I will be able to use my existing RF L lenses! If Canon doesn't do this look to Sony with an A7R6?
I noticed the same thing in video. The R5 II has much better colour than the R5. I always fought with colour in the R5 - I got there, but required more effort.
How about a high megapixel stills focused aps-h sensor? If they are going retro, I prefer that than just an antiquated form factor body that people find nice to look at and carry around. A camera like that would put any R7 MK2 in the dustbin
I'm an R5 owner that shoots mainly landscapes with a bit of wildlife. I can't see me upgrading to the R5mkii but I'd certainly have a look at a 100MP version of the R5. I'd make a decision then on specs and mainly price. I think there is a market for a high MP version BUT depends on the trade offs e.g. dynamic rages, fps, etc. 100MP images would certainly fill up hard drives faster and test our PC specs!!
Inflation has killed my camera budget, so I might not matter. Retro camera, with a few f1.4 retro primes would be great. Even the new 28 to 70 with a retro look. Full frame over aps-c, but any current sensor. Using the R7, which is about 80mp full frame, makes me very concerned about diffraction for a 100mp full frame camera. I understand the need for a video camera, but the trade off of rolling shutter for loud shutter is really annoying on the R7. An R7 with a faster sensor sounds really appealing.
A Canon APS-C for the R lineup in 2025 could be a v-log camera based on the M-series without an EVF. Small and versatile for shooting street and documentary videos. ;-)
Hi! If they manage to do a High mp camera with 12 fps mechanic, that would be sweet! However, I think this would be canon’s answer to the a7rv, which is a high mp camera. All best
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I wonder if Sony going to take a crack at medium format cameras too. That will be very interesting. And also a big sensor camera for video or even more a hybrid medium format camera.
Excited about the retro one and the apc one being videocentric! Either way, I just ordered an xs20… I’ve never been so excited haha. I think people love the video features in the gfxii. You can naturally get that wide look. If you’re not moving it around, it’s not a big deal to me.
I could see 100 MP cameras useful in studio and product photography where large prints are required. However, I am not convinced that a Fuji MP system would be a better option than full frame due to the larger sensor.
Does the camera come with a couple of TB of memory? Who needs a 100 megapixel camera? Even for landscape it's overkill..sports shooters certainly don't need it either.
Not really though in practice. For many it would bring their computers to their knees requiring an updated there, and higher res cameras are only really beneficial in two areas: (perhaps excessive) cropping and printing large. But I still think that 45-60 MP is the sweet spot for FF in terms of high-res. Beyond that and the noise levels may get very high and one reason why I think the other two (Sony and Nikon) have not bothered to go beyond 60MP, because the benefit does not make the "cost" (noise and possible loss of DR) worth it for most people. Plus at 100MP you might as well just get a GFX100s and be done (you'd get much better IQ probably).
@@v_stands_for_value124 Fuji? I don't want to invest in another camera system. The video is about Canon. As for sports - I think I covered that with "for studio work" 😉
Canon needs a model to fit in to the fx30 space... as a Canon shooter I am so frustrated I cant get an A CINEMA camera with a fan for less than $3300 Canon needs an FX30 competitor and no the r6ii or r7 still dont fill that.
You can adapt the EF lenses to the Fuji, several companies making adaptors ; ). And they reputedly work extremely well, the Sigma ARTs AF is quite better and faster than the native Fuji lenses. Even though the sensor is bigger, the Sigma ARTs do not vignette heavier on it than on the 35mm sensor.
Revealing is one thing.Getting your hands on them is another,just like their lenses.Teasing you with future products because the competition is stealing market share.They need to be satisfying customers orders quicker.
Canon isn't losing market share to Sony, Nikon and Panasonic are, but Canon should not be complacent with Sony. Look what happened to Nikon. They once had 65% market share.
If a 102mp full frame camera cost 6 grand id get the Fuji MEDIUM FORMAT camera, the image quality from medium format would blow full frame out of the water, I would love the Fuji GFX 100S II
What we want more than megapixels is ultimate workhorses.. Video & Photo monsters that beat the competition with Dynamic Range, Superior Color, Bit Depth, Stabilization, low light capabilities and other things along those lines. 6K & 45-50mp is definitely a great place to be with resolution. That being said... in 2025 I'll be buying a R52 & C80
I've got a r5 and the trinity but for affordable wildlife lenses there's nothing what i'm interested because sorry zoom lens that extend 100-500 with a slow f stop so i orderd a sony a6700 and the 200-600 i know no joy sticks no pre capture
Disappointed it's not the R7ii, but if this new video-focused camera releases alongside that patented RF-S 15-60mm f2.8 I can more than forgive the mark 2's delay. Or at least a low-profile EF-M 22mm f/2 successor.
I got sick of waiting for Canon and bought a Fuji GFX 100S2. Still use my R5 . The Fuji is a much slower type of photography, but very satisfying too. As far as retro goes, I also have a Nikon zfc for fun. 😊
> 80 MP is maybe a bit overkill but like many I wish to finally have a real photographers camera with more pixels. I always loved my 1Ds MKIII and later the 5Ds. I don't need any video nor in camera noise reduction and upscaling. Time that Canon gives some priority to still photographers. By the way I paid € 7000 for my 1Ds MKIII and I think that the market is big enough with many landscape and studio photographers interested in higher MP camera's. Look at the sales of the medium format camera's while they do not have an arsenal of lenses available.
If a 100MP camera from Canon can come close to matching the dynamic range of the existing R5 (Mark I version not the new one) I would consider it if I could afford it. For that it would have to be $5k or less I think. In that scenario I would sell my existing R5 and get an R5 Mk II (for action / wildlife) and the new 100MP Canon full frame body (for scenic / landscape stuff...)
I would love to see Canon produce a camera like the r5ii without the video features. I'm sure there are others that the video features are just waisted on.
I’m with you. I know how but hate editing video. It is so time consuming. I also know the limitations of high mp count cameras. The noise can be very unflattering. I love my R5 and 50 MP FF might be the sweet spot.
@@larrymcmillan5285 the video features are there for one simple reason. All the hardware that you would need to make a video camera is already in the camera. Adding the ability to capture short video clips is only a matter of firmware programming. But the cameras are designed to dissipate the heat and remain highly water and dust resistant. Users want to be able to use their camera to record for much longer periods. I would recommend buying a high quality, video camera, instead, or even a cinema camera.
Disappointing news, no R7 MII is coming. I missed a big deal last month to get the R7 kit for amazing price. I'm living with th hope of R7 M2 will come later and now.... I have to change my whole strategy, save more money and switch to R6 M2. I'll see.
Hi Simon, you have an interesting reading of this rumor, but in some edges I read it differently ;-) Given the R1 is still expected in 2024, I'd rather think the 5th body (and the second one not being in a new segment) to be the R7ii which Jan Wegener believes to get a stacked sensor. I'd strongly expect some twins next year: the R6iii and retro cam (6R, AE-6, ???) likely get the R3 sensor (with potentially a cheaper AA filter), and then the R7ii and an R9 or R7C also sharing the same sensor, but the vlogging version ditching the EVF. With a rolling shutter-free stacked sensor it could really rock the Sony vlogging crowd. You're correct the R7C was stopped .. as a spin-off of the rolling R7 .. but a cine/vlog variant of the R7ii might also be called R7C. A kind of R5s with 0.1gigapickles may now make sense in the Canon market, because it caters for people shooting landscapes, portraits and product shots who are not getting much of an upgrade with the R5ii which eyes mostly filmmakers, sports, wildlife & fast action .. like the men we see in the mirror each morning. I'm wondering whether your affected by the northern lights, because it's the second video where you talk as if we're now mid of November ;-) You're not scared of Halloween approaching, are you ?
I don't know if a stacked sensor makes sensor for the R7 II being prime for wildlife. Dynamic range is needed in dust and dawn the most. If they could implement something else it might be better for us. November is on my mind as it is the first trade show I will be attending. Just 26 days away now ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker The slow R7 sensor made ES unusable and made the AF less consistent than the R5, even when it was having a newer AF incarnation. And its pre capture was a first attempt and not yet user friendly. A stacked sensor comes indeed with a penalty when needing high iso, an area where any APS-C is trailing full frame, but as recently illustrated by Jan Wegener, all other improvements of R5ii over R5 more than make up for the subtle IQ loss in tricky lighting. When the R7 receives the same upgrade recipe as the R5, the improvements for wildlife will be felt even stronger than with the R5ii. When low light is more crucial than reach, the R6iii should be the better choice, but an R7 provides the same amount of pixels on the birds with much lighter glass. Now I get why you're mentally already in November, just watch out for (GnR) November Rain ;-) For me November means a day in kingfisher hide, potentially testing new gear in low light 😛
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I know you're thinking Red. But without compromising IQ, even when producing at a larger scale, I'd expect the Red V raptor sensor to still cost the current price of Z9 and Z8 combined. I'm expecting the Z9ii only in 2026. And I hate to agree it will likely be better than the R5ii sensor. But today, the R5ii has better DR at high ISO compared to both top Nikons. And the R5ii is more performant in Raw. I'm a bit surprised so many people dwell about the DR of the R5ii compared to R5, while nearly nobody stressed this aspect of a stacked sensor when the Z9/8 came out. Nikon should urgently bring a high end APS-C like a Z90, who knows with a partially stacked sensor. They have great wildlife glass, but only the 180-600 below $3000. And the Z6iii is still waiting for the bird-eye-AF from his big brother. Wildlife needs indeed both dynamic range and speed, but I feel Canon made the right step with the R5ii .. and most likely the R5iii will focus more on increasing DR than further increasing performance
If Canon made a 100 megapixel camera, with the lenses to support it, and good dynamic range, it would become the camera of choice for every landscape and architecture photographer. If Canon made a pro version of the R7, with 30 or more megapixel, and 20fps, it would become the camera of choice for every wildlife (and consumer sports) photographer (especially if it incorporated a stacked APS-C sensor), to extend the range of their long lenses. I would consider moving from Sony for these two options in my bag.
I correctly predicted the C80 (I thought it would be named the C50, though) so I’m going to make more predictions.. 1. Canon will launch a FF or Crop sensor retro style camera. 2. An FX3/ FX30 sized cinema camera. 3. An R1X 😅
For apsc, imho it’d seem they need to rationalize and streamline-merge the current multitude of models. If they could merge the R10 and R7 into an updated enthusiasts-targeted option. It’d need ibis to be able to take advantage of the Sigma apsc lens options that don’t have IS. PS, i have no interest in FF sensors with more mp than the current 45mp norm. Imagine the file size! And imagine how quickly diffraction would begin to undermine image quality as one closes down their aperture?!
I'm guessing two of the three new segments are going to be more focused on video. Hopefully an R7 Mark II and maybe some updated APSC bodies, since it seems Canon has updated the others (minus the R6 II which appears to be replaced by the III in 2025). HOwever, I think Canon may have lost some ground with the R1 even though it hasn't shipped yet. Keep in mind Nikon may release the Z9 Mark II next year, and Sony may also release an A1 Mark II as well either next year or early 2026.
What about the R3? Is an R3-II dead-in-the-water? 100 megapixels sounds great, but I don't think Canon wants to go there. A retro R8 makes the most sense to me. Smaller battery and good specs makes it a good platform in my view. Where Canon should compete in the market is a mystery to me. I'm not a vlogger and don't follow that end of the market so I can't envision what the landscape Canon would be looking at would be like. At the low end of the spectrum, it seems to me they would be competing with phones. Maybe introduce some computational elements in one of these new cameras? I dunno. I need more coffee.
Most believe that the R3 II is dead in the water. Canon Rumours said the R3 II is coming, and not dead. I don't see how the R1 has left a lot of room for an R3 II.
There is definitely a (niche) market for a 100mp camera. I print large high end acrylics (up to 1200dpi) for my clients. These acrylics are very unforgiving in regards to image quality, so every pixel counts. I would buy a 100mp camera today if it used the same RF lenses as my R5 II, providing those lenses can resolve to 100mp - the less I need to rely on Gigapixel, the better. I would upgrade to medium format, except I also use my R5 II for birds and wildlife, for which medium format isn’t well suited for. I’m strictly a stills photographer so I have no need for video.
100 mpx camera .. mmmm maybe a tough sell Simon I thought Canon was rumoured to come out with an R3 mark 2 in 2025? Or do you think that idea got scrapped once the R1 was announced with the same mpx amount ?
An R6 Mk2-based retro camera a' lá Nikon zf would make a lot of sense and I find it to be esthetically intiguing, but I personally would not swap my magnificent R6 Mk2 for it, primarily due to assumed tradeoffs in practicality and ergomony.
Canon doesn't need a 100MP camera. What they need is an R1 with a 45-50MP sensor. Nikon and Sony are laughing at the fact that Canon's flagship might have half the resolution of the Z9 and A1. While a 100MP sensor with the autofocus, video, and speed capabilities of an R1 would be impressive, it would essentially be like Sony's A7R line, where you sacrifice video and speed for higher resolution. Additionally, diffraction issues become a limitation in such high-resolution full-frame cameras. For example, the 60MP A7R IV starts to show diffraction blur at f/7.1, and with a 100MP sensor, you'd likely see it around f/5.6, making many lenses problematic. A more practical solution for Canon would be an R1 version with around 45MP, offering a perfect balance of resolution, speed, and video capabilities.
I do love my R8 and it replaced using my Fuji XT5 for the form/size factor (and better low light performance due to a full frame) but I really do miss the retro feel of the XT5 - so I would definitely welcome a full frame retro style Canon camera…would totally sell off the rest all of my Fuji gear and just stick with Canon…but that retro style cannot be heavier or larger than the R8 for me.
The R10 should have had ibis, as well as the R8. Cameras in 2024 at those prices must have ibis. I miself don't consider buying a first hand new camera without ibis. If they had put ibis on the R10 made the R7 a bit more high end and give the people more budget but good apsc lenses they would have sold way better and would have been good competition for Sony and Fuji and would have given a good hit to Nikon that has also been slow on that side of the market.
I think there would be a market for a 100+ megapixels camera. It would be an alternative to those who would want to go to medium format because of the resolution. If there was a camera with that amount of megapixels, the price could be lower if you only have to get the body and not the lenses. A 100+ megapixel FF camera could for sure make some people decide not to get a medium format camera plus lenses, but just get that body and use the lenses they have. Even some who are put off by the entry price to get into medium format for the higher megapixel cameras, could be "convinced" to get a camera with that high resolution if they can use the lenses and other gear they already own
I can see it as quite a smart move. 100mp is the domain of Fuji, phase one and Hasselblad, all of which are medium frame and therefore require a whole new lens range to be produced. What if Canon do produce a 100mp camera, in all reality it maybe lower, but just think, a 100 mp camera that relies on existing lens ranges… that is exciting and has the potential to refocus the attention of people tempted to move away from Canon. Let’s not forget, it’s not just about the camera it’s about the eco system. As I mentioned at the start; personally, I think this could be a very smart move as they automatically reduce their manufacturing costs of a new lens range, but, notwithstanding this, they could also attract a whole new customer base who are considering medium format but who put off by the cost of building up an expensive and heavier lens eco system. Just a thought.
I have been waiting for the release of the R7II, I need a 2nd body for military aviation, if true no MK2, well looks like another R7, too expensive for the R5II what's wrong with canon, now a R6III? soon a R8II I don't get why canon thinks higher megapixels or AI is the future.
Would you please elaborate on WHY Canon is spending so much dev time on the R6 family? I have the R6 M1 (converted to IR), and it is all that I need; I have my R5 M2, which is great!
The moment another brand puts out a very good APS-C camera, I’m switching brands. The direction and focus of Canon is not in line with my needs as an enthousiastic birding photographer, not willing to spend 4800 euro’s on an R5II
For some reason, camera makers think full frame is better than APS-C. They have different use cases and there is a need for a high quality APS-C camera. There is a need for a better R7 in the R7 II.
I ordered a really big cheeseburger. Now I just need a megapickle to go along with it. 😉
For that megaCrunch ;)
Simon I was one of those that bought the EOS 5DS and back then everyone was saying what your saying about a 100MP camera. That camera turned out to be one of the best Canon cameras I’ve ever owned which I replaced with the R5. The R5 never had as good a colour profile as the 5DS and I often regret selling it.
The EOS 5DS / 5DSr were favourites with pro studio shooters doing fashion and food and this is where I think the 100MP would be aimed at. You don’t need fancy video specs, you don’t need high frame rates but you do need good AF and now there to no mirror the camera is less likely to suffer from vibration which affects high MP cameras.
The only down side is defraction which would likely arrive at f8.
Have you ever tried a Fuji Medium format camera? I thought he ate thing about 8K video when I bought the R5, but a year later when I tried 8K I was amazed. Sometimes it just takes us trying something to understand why it is needed.
When shooting Pixel shift with the R5, I found product and food photography to be impressive. I do understand your viewpoint.
thank you for saying that, I have the 5DSR and was flirting with the idea of the R5. now I feel like waiting a while.
They really need to be working on that R7ii. That vertical/battery extension issue is not going to fix itself.
That is just 1 of the 7 things they need to fix ! Make the readout speed so fast (by whatever means that doesn't hurt the IQ) that they can just leave out that horrendous slapping, breaking, mechanical shutter altogether ! Bigger buffer. Better viewfinder.
@@bryantwalley The R7 is a great camera
@@DaddyyCrab yes. One of the best in the lineup.
@@bryantwalleyRight o😎
R7ii needs video tools ON screen after you press the red button, plus custom white balance that doesn't involve a previously taken photo.
If an R6 III is coming, when do you think the best sale on a R6 II would be?
Now is good with $500 off. Black Friday would be the next window for a possible price drop, but only for that week.
I have one that I've only shot 200 times. Interested? $1500
What we need is new affordable good lenses and for Canon to allow third party lenses. I’m happy with my R6 MkII and my R7 what I need is good affordable glass.
Indeed, what Canon needs is affordable glass, not another 5 camera's.
New lenses next month, but don't expect affordable lenses.
I can’t see the hype about cheap or third party rf glass , when there is plenty of cheap and most likely superior ef L lenses available to use with an adapter. Unless it is something that is not currently available of course.
a crop sensor 50-100 F2.8 would make me very happy
Just give us a s35, rf mount, dgo sensor, with high frame rates, decent audio, low light and nds cine camera 🙌
What they need to do is release a 35mm 1.2 RF Lens
I wish they had of done that instead of the f1.4. I wold have ordered it.
Or a 24mm which would be more useful for video in my opinion
don't remember if it was the 50mm or 35mm...but it was an f1.2 for whatever mount the A-1 film camera was. It was an absolute beast that gave stunning images, especially when using slide ASA 25 film.
Canon need to show some APSC support, we really need an rf version of the 17-55 f2.8. The best native RF lens is the sigma 18-50, and the best native Canon lens is the 18-150 kit lens.
Sony have the 16-55 f2.8 for their APSC camera so what is Canon doing so long to get something like that for the RF mount
Hehe I think you have just relaxed over time, just like all of us !
I think so too. Knowing I am in Act 4, not sense in rushing to the end ;)
I want more MP but I feel like the sensor tech should be better if it does. Right now 45 is really good for most people. 100 is good if people want to crop in even more I guess unless it offers some better image quality. Fuji and Hasselblad 100mp camera images look great because of the special sensor it has and how it handles color and noise.
When doing product shots, 100mp would indeed be nice. I just don't do these shots enough to justify it ;)
We need an EOS R mark ii
They still don't get it. It's not about megapixels or AI… it's all about dynamic range, stabilization wobbles, and video low-light capabilities, but I guess they have to overcompensate for their lack of practical technological innovation
Or at least that’s your opinion…
I would add that the sensor readout speed and FPS are also valuable assets. And Canon cameras do lead in this regard in the 4000$ and bellow price points.
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@@Carlos-tm6zk It does seem that's what makes most want to go to Sony vs Canon. Because they are better at that. So you would think they would focus on their main competitor pros and try to beat them at those things, but it seems like they just can't keep up.
@@araavedianfilms I agree that right now Sony is better at sensor making, however, the readout speed of the non stacked sensors makes them basically useless in e-shutter mode, and Canon managed to have a good compromise there in the full frame cameras.
But I think that people went to Sony mostly because of the marketing hype around them, not so much because of the specs. And in this last year we’ve seen that trend decrease, IMHO.
Btw, Sony also went the MP route and many fell for it, but then, when they needed the speed or the silence (wedding photography, for example) they probably realized some of Sony’s limitations…
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Every Sony below the A1 is flawed in some way, you Sony guys are blind single shot shooting donkeys
There is a market segment where it is about high resolution. I'm just not sure how much of a market is there for this need.
Is the sharpness of Canon telephoto lenses sufficient to support a 100MP sensor.?
It is a myth and misunderstanding among amateurs that lenses have a resolution that maxes out at certain mp counts. Lenses that look good at 45 mp will show more details on a 100 mp sensor. Maybe the corners will benefit less, but that‘s okay.
Instead of 100 mp because of defraction and noise. I would love canon to make a 16bit or higher r5 something that’s image quality first. The highest image quality you can get at 5-7 fps.
Great and informative video, Simon. Hopefully the R7ii soon will come too. I am sure that if Canon made a pro 7series, it would sell very good. Put it in a mini r3 body with a 24-26mp stacked sensor. That would have been an amazing sport and wildlife camera for those that don"t want to spend 15-20000 dollar on a camera and a lens. Even if it would cost a bit more, i am 100% certain that it would sell like crazy. I for sure would have been first in the line.
Wishing you and yours a great weekend.
Cheers, Bjoern
An R7 II in time for spring would be great ;) It's needed. There is a lot of feedback demanding it.
All you said but PLEASE don't drop the megapixels. Being able to crop is just as important as everything else for a bird photographer ! Dropping it to 24mp would effectively make my 800mm lens, a 600mm again :(
Product / food photography could benefit from 100mp. Then again, if Canon put a solid effort into Pixelshift, we would have a solid workaround.
Could be the apsc that long time rumoured c50 or something like that? supposedly to be a box style cine camera. I would be surprised if it finally is. An entry level "cinema", fx30 competitor.
this is great for us that do product photography. I already bought a Hasselblad X2D for this and it is perfect for what I do. Will be interesting how this compares to Fuji and others who are already in the 100 megapixel game.
Product photography is where I found pixel shift to be useful. I can only imagine not having to process 9 images and just take a single shot.
I don't see a 100mp camera with high frames per second. Even if they solved the data throughput issues with Gen 4 cards, the sheer volume of data generated would be staggering. Nor do I see a demand for a 100mp camera for heavy video work. BUT...for landscapes and studio stills? Sure. I think there would be a lot of people eager for that camera.
When it comes to a "new segment", for Canon at least, I am seeing some incredible hype over the new Leica Q3 43. It's a 60mp fixed lens retro styled body for "only" $6,895. There ought to be some room for profit margins in that space, especially if all the hype is at all related to impending sales. I'm not sure Canon would ever make a fixed lens body, and they might have to bring out a couple of new compact lenses to really compete, but I don't see that being a show-stopper. But then again, Leica is unapologetic about having one superior fixed lens, so I guess that's a possibility.
Neither of those cameras would need all the action-oriented autofocus. The 100mp body would really benefit from high dynamic range and 16 bit color depth. The smaller retro body would probably benefit from excellent image stabilization and superior low light capability. And I think both of those cameras could work with just a BSI sensor (not stacked) which would reduce production costs. Both could live with only moderate video capabilities, and at 100mp they might even be able to leave out video completely like the X2D did. Stills photographers need some love, too.
And maybe they could finally conquer the heat issue completely without the need for a cooling grip.
Just bring me an R7 Mk II, PLEASE!!!
I am waiting for the R7 MK II.
Same
@@imregal4230Ditto here.
There is a lot of demand for this camera. I'd say more demand than for the high resolution camera.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker It seems like it to me too, yet Canon keeps coming out with new cameras that are not APS-C ? Are they def, stupid, or indifferent ???
I am too. 😊
I'm interested in the GFX 100S II and that camera is 100+ MP and Hasselblad X2D so canon going in that direction sounds great.
I hear you Michael, but don't get too excited as we have been hearing about a high resolution camera since 2019.
I went through the same thought process and tested both of those. The X2D was the hands down winner for me. Best camera I’ve ever used with zero video capabilities which makes me smile.
@3:30 YES !!! Fix the 7 or 9 issues with the current R7 ! I freaking love / hate this camera ! I have two of them > because I have NO freaking choice ! Their is nothing else on the market that does what this camera does. OM1.... kind of. But 20mp kind of kills that option too. I guess until Canon comes out with a more pro level APS-C, I'll just have to keep working around all the R7's issues, which of course their are many. Oh, and I absolutely could not care less about anything to do with video. I'm a photographer.
And Sony is still licking its balls doing nothing
I'm done with Canon. The R3 overheats when filming 4K 120fps and the R5 II overheats at 4K 60fps.
i have canon r7 .I want this things in r7mii -clog 2, a r6 mark ii megapixel sensor but apsc and a dual iso and a improved stabilization and a cf card slot
Some f1.4 aps-c primes around $500.00 would be nice😂😂😂😂 I know I’m dreaming
A 100+ MP sensor in full frame doesn’t make a lot of sense because of diffraction. I use a Fujifilm GFX 100s for landscape photography. With it, although still usable, diffraction starts creeping in by f11. Probably 60-70mp would be as high as you’d want to go in full frame.
I hope Canon will reconsider and put out a R7 Mk2 that is somewhat bigger (the current camera is too small), offers a battery grip, and fixes the rolling shutter issues. Even coming in between $2,500-$3,000 I think such a camera will be a big seller for Canon. It would team beautifully with their 100-500mm zoom. All you have to do is look at all the money being spent by wildlife photographers in places like Yellowstone and the Conowingo Dam, hundreds-of -thousands of dollars of gear lined up side-by-side on tripods, to realize the R7 Mk2 would be a very popular camera.
I hope so too. I haven't heard anything on it yet, but we are getting into the window where an update is possible.
R7 Mk II was the only camera I would have been interested in (assuming Sigma started releasing longer lenses for the rfs mount)
I've said for a long time that a truly professional level APCS camera would be a great thing for wildlife photographers. I'm talking a sealed body and really comfortable in the hands like the R3. I've decided to move away from wildlife, since I finally figured out that it's really a young man's game. But I know that a professional APSC body would really be appealing for things like birds.
There is a lot of opportunity in the R7 II. A possible refresh in the he next two years is possible. It's like the R6. The R6 II is a much better camera... I hope the same will be in the R7 II
It will be the R1x or R1s like we saw with the 1D. My guess, as they are doing lots of events to get you hooked to the R1 now.
Let's see if Canon does that.
To answer your question: YES!! Like others before, I sold my Canon 5Ds to buy the R5. Although, I'm glad I made the decision to go mirrorless, in many cases the 5Ds images seem as good if not better than the R5 in terms of color, sharpness, and dynamic range. On the rumored high resolution camera, I am so pleased for not upgrading to the R5 mk2 as I will be interested to see and eventually purchase the new high resolution camera. Especially if I will be able to use my existing RF L lenses! If Canon doesn't do this look to Sony with an A7R6?
I noticed the same thing in video. The R5 II has much better colour than the R5. I always fought with colour in the R5 - I got there, but required more effort.
How about a high megapixel stills focused aps-h sensor? If they are going retro, I prefer that than just an antiquated form factor body that people find nice to look at and carry around. A camera like that would put any R7 MK2 in the dustbin
I'm an R5 owner that shoots mainly landscapes with a bit of wildlife. I can't see me upgrading to the R5mkii but I'd certainly have a look at a 100MP version of the R5. I'd make a decision then on specs and mainly price. I think there is a market for a high MP version BUT depends on the trade offs e.g. dynamic rages, fps, etc. 100MP images would certainly fill up hard drives faster and test our PC specs!!
I wonder what the Canon 7Diii would have been?
Me too.
Inflation has killed my camera budget, so I might not matter. Retro camera, with a few f1.4 retro primes would be great. Even the new 28 to 70 with a retro look. Full frame over aps-c, but any current sensor. Using the R7, which is about 80mp full frame, makes me very concerned about diffraction for a 100mp full frame camera. I understand the need for a video camera, but the trade off of rolling shutter for loud shutter is really annoying on the R7. An R7 with a faster sensor sounds really appealing.
I am most interested in a R7.2
R8 MK II ... With IBIS ?
what do you think about waiting for next black Friday and see what's happen with price of canon R 6 MII ?
Sure, Canon could drop it a little more, but if they don't $500 off is still a significant discount.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Here in Lisbon they sell it for 2.249,00€
A Canon APS-C for the R lineup in 2025 could be a v-log camera based on the M-series without an EVF. Small and versatile for shooting street and documentary videos. ;-)
An M200 or M6ii successor is indeed sorely missing from their current lineup. Just need a 22mm f/2 pancake to go along with it...
True, I can always take the m100 with the 22 to places professional cameras are not allowed.
Hi!
If they manage to do a High mp camera with 12 fps mechanic, that would be sweet! However, I think this would be canon’s answer to the a7rv, which is a high mp camera.
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That would be a challenge, but I think its doable.
I’m going to hope they can keep the 100MP on an RF mount. If they can then absolutely- I’d buy it.
I wonder if Canon stepping in to medium format. And that will open a new word. Trying to compete against Hasselblad, Face One or even FujiFilm GX 100.
Sony has shown that we can get 61mp out of a full frame camera. They have also developed a 100 mp sensor, but yet to make a camera to pair with it.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I wonder if Sony going to take a crack at medium format cameras too. That will be very interesting. And also a big sensor camera for video or even more a hybrid medium format camera.
Excited about the retro one and the apc one being videocentric! Either way, I just ordered an xs20… I’ve never been so excited haha.
I think people love the video features in the gfxii. You can naturally get that wide look. If you’re not moving it around, it’s not a big deal to me.
I could see 100 MP cameras useful in studio and product photography where large prints are required. However, I am not convinced that a Fuji MP system would be a better option than full frame due to the larger sensor.
informative news thanks Simon.
100+ MP with Canon/Sony level autofocus would be game changing.
agreed, but do you thing the file size will be same as gfx or hasselblad?
@@QamarCaelum-br9dw it depends, if the files are 16bit or 14bit
Does the camera come with a couple of TB of memory? Who needs a 100 megapixel camera? Even for landscape it's overkill..sports shooters certainly don't need it either.
@@gregorybeale you don’t need full frame either. A 15 year old camera is more than enough to capture great images. But that’s up to you.
Not really though in practice. For many it would bring their computers to their knees requiring an updated there, and higher res cameras are only really beneficial in two areas: (perhaps excessive) cropping and printing large. But I still think that 45-60 MP is the sweet spot for FF in terms of high-res. Beyond that and the noise levels may get very high and one reason why I think the other two (Sony and Nikon) have not bothered to go beyond 60MP, because the benefit does not make the "cost" (noise and possible loss of DR) worth it for most people. Plus at 100MP you might as well just get a GFX100s and be done (you'd get much better IQ probably).
As an R5 shooter, I would be more interested in a 102MP camera for studio work than I am in "upgrading" to an R5 MkII.
Sure cuz you are not a sport shooter, if un need to take one photo at a time buy a GFX
@@v_stands_for_value124 Fuji? I don't want to invest in another camera system. The video is about Canon. As for sports - I think I covered that with "for studio work" 😉
If it can be a direct competitor to the Sony FX30 then I’m sure it’ll sell like hot cakes
Canon needs a model to fit in to the fx30 space... as a Canon shooter I am so frustrated I cant get an A CINEMA camera with a fan for less than $3300 Canon needs an FX30 competitor and no the r6ii or r7 still dont fill that.
Which is why the R7c got a lot of interest.
It would be really nice to have a 102mp Canon camera. One of the main things stopping me from buying a fuji is having to buy new glass as well.
You can adapt the EF lenses to the Fuji, several companies making adaptors ; ). And they reputedly work extremely well, the Sigma ARTs AF is quite better and faster than the native Fuji lenses. Even though the sensor is bigger, the Sigma ARTs do not vignette heavier on it than on the 35mm sensor.
Revealing is one thing.Getting your hands on them is another,just like their lenses.Teasing you with future products because the competition is stealing market share.They need to be satisfying customers orders quicker.
Canon isn't losing market share to Sony, Nikon and Panasonic are, but Canon should not be complacent with Sony. Look what happened to Nikon. They once had 65% market share.
If canon don't release a pro style r7mk2, they are clearly not listening to the market. Has to one of the more in demand bodies required.
After so many years, I was expecting more from the R7
If a 102mp full frame camera cost 6 grand id get the Fuji MEDIUM FORMAT camera, the image quality from medium format would blow full frame out of the water, I would love the Fuji GFX 100S II
They do seem to have the market covered.
Bought a Hasselblad X2D (100mp btw) because Canon wouldn’t or couldn’t deliver on that 100mp camera. Bring it on!
2026: Canon announces first ever global shutter medium format camera
they struggle to put the R lenses people want let alone having to develop a new whole line ...isn't going to happen....
@@juanQuedo Pls tell me you arent that dense and realise that its a joke
No r5c mk2?
I can't wait for the Nikon Z50ii.
Nikon should excite in 2025
I hope they bring out a high resolution range-finder style like the A7CR
What we want more than megapixels is ultimate workhorses..
Video & Photo monsters that beat the competition with Dynamic Range, Superior Color, Bit Depth, Stabilization, low light capabilities and other things along those lines.
6K & 45-50mp is definitely a great place to be with resolution.
That being said... in 2025 I'll be buying a R52 & C80
Sucks that we have to choose between professional bodies and higher megapixels.
Also sucks that full frame is considered professional and APS-C isn't...
I've got a r5 and the trinity but for affordable wildlife lenses there's nothing what i'm interested because sorry zoom lens that extend 100-500 with a slow f stop so i orderd a sony a6700 and the 200-600 i know no joy sticks no pre capture
Disappointed it's not the R7ii, but if this new video-focused camera releases alongside that patented RF-S 15-60mm f2.8 I can more than forgive the mark 2's delay. Or at least a low-profile EF-M 22mm f/2 successor.
IBIS is the needed feature!
I got sick of waiting for Canon and bought a Fuji GFX 100S2. Still use my R5 . The Fuji is a much slower type of photography, but very satisfying too. As far as retro goes, I also have a Nikon zfc for fun. 😊
Tell us about your experience showing medium format: what its like, what scenario you shoot and how it is better than FF.
I was very happy with my 5DSR and would buy a camera with 80+MP.
> 80 MP is maybe a bit overkill but like many I wish to finally have a real photographers camera with more pixels. I always loved my 1Ds MKIII and later the 5Ds. I don't need any video nor in camera noise reduction and upscaling. Time that Canon gives some priority to still photographers. By the way I paid € 7000 for my 1Ds MKIII and I think that the market is big enough with many landscape and studio photographers interested in higher MP camera's. Look at the sales of the medium format camera's while they do not have an arsenal of lenses available.
I want them to release an r5c Mk II
If a 100MP camera from Canon can come close to matching the dynamic range of the existing R5 (Mark I version not the new one) I would consider it if I could afford it. For that it would have to be $5k or less I think. In that scenario I would sell my existing R5 and get an R5 Mk II (for action / wildlife) and the new 100MP Canon full frame body (for scenic / landscape stuff...)
I would love to see Canon produce a camera like the r5ii without the video features. I'm sure there are others that the video features are just waisted on.
A high resolution camera might just do that.
I’m with you. I know how but hate editing video. It is so time consuming. I also know the limitations of high mp count cameras. The noise can be very unflattering. I love my R5 and 50 MP FF might be the sweet spot.
@@larrymcmillan5285 the video features are there for one simple reason. All the hardware that you would need to make a video camera is already in the camera.
Adding the ability to capture short video clips is only a matter of firmware programming. But the cameras are designed to dissipate the heat and remain highly water and dust resistant.
Users want to be able to use their camera to record for much longer periods. I would recommend buying a high quality, video camera, instead, or even a cinema camera.
Disappointing news, no R7 MII is coming. I missed a big deal last month to get the R7 kit for amazing price. I'm living with th hope of R7 M2 will come later and now.... I have to change my whole strategy, save more money and switch to R6 M2. I'll see.
Doesn't mean to say it isn't coming, just that nothing has leaked ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I hope so. No hurry, I can wait but it would be an instant get for me. ;-)
Hi Simon, you have an interesting reading of this rumor, but in some edges I read it differently ;-)
Given the R1 is still expected in 2024, I'd rather think the 5th body (and the second one not being in a new segment) to be the R7ii which Jan Wegener believes to get a stacked sensor.
I'd strongly expect some twins next year: the R6iii and retro cam (6R, AE-6, ???) likely get the R3 sensor (with potentially a cheaper AA filter), and then the R7ii and an R9 or R7C also sharing the same sensor, but the vlogging version ditching the EVF. With a rolling shutter-free stacked sensor it could really rock the Sony vlogging crowd. You're correct the R7C was stopped .. as a spin-off of the rolling R7 .. but a cine/vlog variant of the R7ii might also be called R7C.
A kind of R5s with 0.1gigapickles may now make sense in the Canon market, because it caters for people shooting landscapes, portraits and product shots who are not getting much of an upgrade with the R5ii which eyes mostly filmmakers, sports, wildlife & fast action .. like the men we see in the mirror each morning.
I'm wondering whether your affected by the northern lights, because it's the second video where you talk as if we're now mid of November ;-) You're not scared of Halloween approaching, are you ?
I don't know if a stacked sensor makes sensor for the R7 II being prime for wildlife. Dynamic range is needed in dust and dawn the most. If they could implement something else it might be better for us.
November is on my mind as it is the first trade show I will be attending. Just 26 days away now ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker The slow R7 sensor made ES unusable and made the AF less consistent than the R5, even when it was having a newer AF incarnation. And its pre capture was a first attempt and not yet user friendly.
A stacked sensor comes indeed with a penalty when needing high iso, an area where any APS-C is trailing full frame, but as recently illustrated by Jan Wegener, all other improvements of R5ii over R5 more than make up for the subtle IQ loss in tricky lighting.
When the R7 receives the same upgrade recipe as the R5, the improvements for wildlife will be felt even stronger than with the R5ii.
When low light is more crucial than reach, the R6iii should be the better choice, but an R7 provides the same amount of pixels on the birds with much lighter glass.
Now I get why you're mentally already in November, just watch out for (GnR) November Rain ;-)
For me November means a day in kingfisher hide, potentially testing new gear in low light 😛
I hate to say it, but I think Nikon will have the best sensor coming out in 2025. Wildlife needs the dynamic range and the speed.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I know you're thinking Red. But without compromising IQ, even when producing at a larger scale, I'd expect the Red V raptor sensor to still cost the current price of Z9 and Z8 combined.
I'm expecting the Z9ii only in 2026. And I hate to agree it will likely be better than the R5ii sensor.
But today, the R5ii has better DR at high ISO compared to both top Nikons. And the R5ii is more performant in Raw. I'm a bit surprised so many people dwell about the DR of the R5ii compared to R5, while nearly nobody stressed this aspect of a stacked sensor when the Z9/8 came out.
Nikon should urgently bring a high end APS-C like a Z90, who knows with a partially stacked sensor. They have great wildlife glass, but only the 180-600 below $3000. And the Z6iii is still waiting for the bird-eye-AF from his big brother.
Wildlife needs indeed both dynamic range and speed, but I feel Canon made the right step with the R5ii .. and most likely the R5iii will focus more on increasing DR than further increasing performance
If Canon made a 100 megapixel camera, with the lenses to support it, and good dynamic range, it would become the camera of choice for every landscape and architecture photographer. If Canon made a pro version of the R7, with 30 or more megapixel, and 20fps, it would become the camera of choice for every wildlife (and consumer sports) photographer (especially if it incorporated a stacked APS-C sensor), to extend the range of their long lenses. I would consider moving from Sony for these two options in my bag.
I correctly predicted the C80 (I thought it would be named the C50, though) so I’m going to make more predictions..
1. Canon will launch a FF or Crop sensor retro style camera.
2. An FX3/ FX30 sized cinema camera.
3. An R1X 😅
For apsc, imho it’d seem they need to rationalize and streamline-merge the current multitude of models. If they could merge the R10 and R7 into an updated enthusiasts-targeted option. It’d need ibis to be able to take advantage of the Sigma apsc lens options that don’t have IS. PS, i have no interest in FF sensors with more mp than the current 45mp norm. Imagine the file size! And imagine how quickly diffraction would begin to undermine image quality as one closes down their aperture?!
I hope to see a digital camera with a retro Canon A-1 look for casual shooting.
I'm guessing two of the three new segments are going to be more focused on video. Hopefully an R7 Mark II and maybe some updated APSC bodies, since it seems Canon has updated the others (minus the R6 II which appears to be replaced by the III in 2025). HOwever, I think Canon may have lost some ground with the R1 even though it hasn't shipped yet. Keep in mind Nikon may release the Z9 Mark II next year, and Sony may also release an A1 Mark II as well either next year or early 2026.
Happy 5th Anniversary!!!
Thanks a lot!
What about the R3? Is an R3-II dead-in-the-water? 100 megapixels sounds great, but I don't think Canon wants to go there. A retro R8 makes the most sense to me. Smaller battery and good specs makes it a good platform in my view. Where Canon should compete in the market is a mystery to me. I'm not a vlogger and don't follow that end of the market so I can't envision what the landscape Canon would be looking at would be like. At the low end of the spectrum, it seems to me they would be competing with phones. Maybe introduce some computational elements in one of these new cameras? I dunno. I need more coffee.
Most believe that the R3 II is dead in the water. Canon Rumours said the R3 II is coming, and not dead. I don't see how the R1 has left a lot of room for an R3 II.
There is definitely a (niche) market for a 100mp camera. I print large high end acrylics (up to 1200dpi) for my clients. These acrylics are very unforgiving in regards to image quality, so every pixel counts. I would buy a 100mp camera today if it used the same RF lenses as my R5 II, providing those lenses can resolve to 100mp - the less I need to rely on Gigapixel, the better. I would upgrade to medium format, except I also use my R5 II for birds and wildlife, for which medium format isn’t well suited for. I’m strictly a stills photographer so I have no need for video.
100 mpx camera .. mmmm maybe a tough sell
Simon I thought Canon was rumoured to come out with an R3 mark 2 in 2025? Or do you think that idea got scrapped once the R1 was announced with the same mpx amount ?
A retro styled R5ii would be so sick though.
Yeah, I'd like that too.
@@OrdinaryFilmmakerwhat if it was just a retro R5 mark i? I could see that as a way to use up stock of old components. And it would be cheaper.
An R6 Mk2-based retro camera a' lá Nikon zf would make a lot of sense and I find it to be esthetically intiguing, but I personally would not swap my magnificent R6 Mk2 for it, primarily due to assumed tradeoffs in practicality and ergomony.
Canon doesn't need a 100MP camera. What they need is an R1 with a 45-50MP sensor. Nikon and Sony are laughing at the fact that Canon's flagship might have half the resolution of the Z9 and A1. While a 100MP sensor with the autofocus, video, and speed capabilities of an R1 would be impressive, it would essentially be like Sony's A7R line, where you sacrifice video and speed for higher resolution. Additionally, diffraction issues become a limitation in such high-resolution full-frame cameras. For example, the 60MP A7R IV starts to show diffraction blur at f/7.1, and with a 100MP sensor, you'd likely see it around f/5.6, making many lenses problematic.
A more practical solution for Canon would be an R1 version with around 45MP, offering a perfect balance of resolution, speed, and video capabilities.
I do love my R8 and it replaced using my Fuji XT5 for the form/size factor (and better low light performance due to a full frame) but I really do miss the retro feel of the XT5 - so I would definitely welcome a full frame retro style Canon camera…would totally sell off the rest all of my Fuji gear and just stick with Canon…but that retro style cannot be heavier or larger than the R8 for me.
I would go for it as a second cam for landscape
The R10 should have had ibis, as well as the R8. Cameras in 2024 at those prices must have ibis. I miself don't consider buying a first hand new camera without ibis.
If they had put ibis on the R10 made the R7 a bit more high end and give the people more budget but good apsc lenses they would have sold way better and would have been good competition for Sony and Fuji and would have given a good hit to Nikon that has also been slow on that side of the market.
Agreed. APS-C needs to be treated as a professional and amateur market. We should not need to go full frame to get certain features.
Thanks, Simon!
You're welcome Cathy. I wasn't expecting this video to be so popular.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Interesting stuff!
Yes... Shocked at how popular this video is. I was expecting a fraction of the views.
I'd purchase an 100meg Canon camera!
A new R7 mark ii built more pro would become a best seller, price range could be around the same as the R6 line up.
A retro Canon would make me drop my X100VI wishes
Hope you get one. BTW, to those who ask why do you need a 100 mp camera, why do you need a retro looking camera? Some just like to criticize......
If someone gave me a dime when Canon Rumors made a wrong prediction....I'd be closer to being a millionaire.
I think there would be a market for a 100+ megapixels camera. It would be an alternative to those who would want to go to medium format because of the resolution. If there was a camera with that amount of megapixels, the price could be lower if you only have to get the body and not the lenses. A 100+ megapixel FF camera could for sure make some people decide not to get a medium format camera plus lenses, but just get that body and use the lenses they have.
Even some who are put off by the entry price to get into medium format for the higher megapixel cameras, could be "convinced" to get a camera with that high resolution if they can use the lenses and other gear they already own
I can see it as quite a smart move. 100mp is the domain of Fuji, phase one and Hasselblad, all of which are medium frame and therefore require a whole new lens range to be produced. What if Canon do produce a 100mp camera, in all reality it maybe lower, but just think, a 100 mp camera that relies on existing lens ranges… that is exciting and has the potential to refocus the attention of people tempted to move away from Canon. Let’s not forget, it’s not just about the camera it’s about the eco system. As I mentioned at the start; personally, I think this could be a very smart move as they automatically reduce their manufacturing costs of a new lens range, but, notwithstanding this, they could also attract a whole new customer base who are considering medium format but who put off by the cost of building up an expensive and heavier lens eco system. Just a thought.
Canon would have a very competitive market, a very small market to eat out a paycheque from.
I just don't know how large the market is for a 100 megapixel full frame camera that will cost at least $5000 if not more...probably closer to $6000.
I’m not buying another canon body until they make an FX3 competitor. The c70-c80 are not competition at all. They are vastly different cameras.
I have been waiting for the release of the R7II, I need a 2nd body for military aviation, if true no MK2, well looks like another R7, too expensive for the R5II what's wrong with canon, now a R6III? soon a R8II I don't get why canon thinks higher megapixels or AI is the future.
would love an R3 body with a 100mp ... replace my 5Ds
Seems they are interested in the next sale, before the current one is solid.
What i love to have -- R5 M2 - R retro - R7 M2 -- Medium format camera --- all using the same lenses.
Would you please elaborate on WHY Canon is spending so much dev time on the R6 family? I have the R6 M1 (converted to IR), and it is all that I need; I have my R5 M2, which is great!
It's in a class that changes more frequently.
The moment another brand puts out a very good APS-C camera, I’m switching brands. The direction and focus of Canon is not in line with my needs as an enthousiastic birding photographer, not willing to spend 4800 euro’s on an R5II
For some reason, camera makers think full frame is better than APS-C. They have different use cases and there is a need for a high quality APS-C camera. There is a need for a better R7 in the R7 II.
As long as one of the new models is impervious to rhubarb crumble I’ll be happy. And if it includes custard I’m all in. Sign me up