Bishop BARRON explains to BEN Shapiro why PROTESTANTS are so DIVIDED !
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00:01 Intro
01:40 Ben Shapiro's question on Development of Doctrine
02:40 Bishop Barron's explanation
06:00 Protestant Complain against Catholic Church
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I sat in on a class being taught by a Pentecostal pastor and he blurted out that essentially one of the roadblocks to the faith is doctrine. Therein lies the malaise of Protestantism, with no doctrine as a guidepost the faith becomes the opposite of the river Bishop Barron talks about. That river becomes mile wide and half an inch deep.
Be fair, the current occupant sitting in Peter’s chair would substantially agree.
I think a massive roadblock to faith is the corruption of the Catholic church or stolen lands, indulgences or should I say false self serving doctrines. This includes the Anglican Church and many others.
Do not generalize. We are not all pentecostals, and not all of them are shallow.
You made one fringe Pentecostal pastor the rubric of Protestantism and completely avoided the teachings of the Reformers on Doctrine. Why?
Your sneaky caricature is the malaise of disingenuous Catholics like Joseph Dinesh and you. Both of you need to deceive to be relevant, John 8:44.
So you're ok with "pride" masses? Because the catholic church does now allow it.
I love my Catholic faith and learning more about it every day. Thanks for the video.
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We do not love our protestant church or doctrine, we love our lo Lord and his words dwelling on them and practicing them every day. And I love Christ's church his bride!
@@claudiaperfetti7694Due to Protestant Church being so divided. Jesus wanted unity. 1 Corinthians 1:10: "I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought."
I love Jesus
I loved the way you are engaged into the most important subject of any human - faith!
A very good analysis, JD.
Bishop Barron is correct in his analysis in these clips.
Protestantism. It is so flowed in its origin, its misinterpretation of Truth, and in its practice : which has led to 30k+ sects all claiming to be the authentic Church.
I don't say that in order to offend anyone who is protestant however.
As Catholics we need to try to save these people instead.
Absolutely! As someone who was a practicing Protestant for 68 years and am now a happy & fulfulled practicing Catholic for the past 3 years, the misinterpretation and practice of the Truth is what led me to become Catholic 3 years ago; a wise decision!
I deal with the opposite problem. Many of my Protestant friends well meaning try to get me to leave the Catholic Church. I wish Martin Luther never was able to cause such a terrible schism 😢
@@mariecait
CC doctrine is the cause, not Luther. Dissent from self professed cc authority has always existed. It couldn't be exercised b/c the cc penalties were so harsh.
@@yoyeo1900explain. How do you substantiate your claim?
I am a Roman Catholic convert from Anglican. I took it very seriously because my life was always in danger by no fault of mine.
I cracked the code by seeking God's voice and will down to the small details. I also learnt to turn a cheek that revealed my weaknesses and sins (as pride blinds us)! Then the Holy Spirit started to sanctify my soul with healings, deliverance=redemption (getting the devil out)!
It is ONLY through this process that we can be certain we are worshipping the TRUE TRINITY vs the UNHOLY trinity!
The doctrine says that "The Bride of Christ" is the Church! It also says that the Great Apostasy is something else too. This happened because the people never focused on their souls but knowledge!
I am the Warrior Bride of Christ who has/is fighting the spiritual and physical Great Apostasy!
Jesus returns very soon to free me from them! It's evil, illegial and they use occult and hacking to hold me captive.
I was born into, and raised in a Presbyterian home. From my early childhood into the late 1960s we regularly attended Church, and I, and my siblings took Kindergarten at that same Church. During the late 1960s, and into the 1970s the local Church leaders increasingly became hostile toward the United States, primarily (at least publicly) over the Viet Nam war, but Leftist ideology in general.
Eventually, my parents as well as many other families drifted away from that Church, and formed a new Church. Unfortunately, the National Presbyterian Church refused to recognize our new Church, and it withered on the vine, until it died.
At that point my family left that Church.
I did not return for many years, but when I did return to the Church of Jesus, I was still confused, and unsure of what was the truth. Slowly, and with the Grace of Almighty God, or at least what I understand as God, I believe I am slowly on the true path. I still have much to learn, and I pray to God to help me learn. I know that I am a helpless sinner, and I have no possibility of salvation on my own merit, and that it is only through Jesus Christ that I have any hope.
I ask God to help me, to guide me, and to teach me, and I surrender my soul to his keeping.
The one true and Apostolic Church, is God's gift to you... And Jesus promises this to you.
Wow! This is one of your best videos ever! Excellent explanation by Bishop Barron, and I appreciate the questions asked by Ben Shapiro. Thank you for presenting this, and for your insightful observations of the discussion!
“We’ve turned the church into a debating society.” So true and so sad! Bishop Barron. Such a clear mind!
Bishop Baron has a finer mind than 99.5% of all Catholic clergy currently. I marvel at his intellect.
to Margo Kupelian, In uncertainty of my belief, I believe that Bishop Barron lacks either a clear heart or a clear mind, or both, in not keeping in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his being identity heart with his doing role mind.
This not keeping in uncertainty I believe was in Bishop Barron's statement in error in his role on 20 July 2021 in his dialogue with Lex Fridman on "Christianity and the Catholic Church" at time 51:46 of the You Tube podcast purporting presuming "a higher way of love" of consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ to consecrated male female marriage vowed to God.
This not keeping in uncertainty I believe occults, or hides, as also incest connected as substitute mate, his role been groomed by his diseased identity for economic advantage of his family by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud.
Every true believer must not compromise the truth over the false unity. Catholic system is false from the beginning, because the Lord said he will build his church that is based on the believer’s faith, not on the faith of Peter.
@@kukpaulchoi on the believer in uncertainty of their belief keeping the inseparability and qualitative equality of their procreation thinking gift role and their having faith in meeting their need of union of their identity. This is the "Multiplier" in national accounts of consecrated marriages of economic processes and non-economic progress.
This "Multiplier" was first tested from 1931 by economist/statistician of national accounts, Colin Clark, awarded for this testing a papal medal by Pope St Paul V1 and commended by Keynes in 1931 as "quite first rate".
The conclusion in 1964 of this testing was of: "... just about paripassu rate of growth of population and food supplies in the developing countries".
This conclusion was simultaneously applied by the consecrated male female marriage vowed to God of Colin Clark at Pope St Paul V1's Commission on Population and the UNO Food and Agricultural Organisation in finding this relationship "inseparable" (Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12).
This conclusion was then confirmed by the consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ of Pope Francis on 17 June 2021 when adding 'qualitatively equal' with "inseparable aspects: union and procreation" in marriage.
@@kukpaulchoido i believe you a protestant heretic or the two thousand year old holy Catholic Church? The Bible a Catholic book condemns you and protestant garbage. Leave your man made protestant CULT
Great content! Thank you, JD.
Thank you so much. I have really been enjoying and learning from your channel. God bless you.
Thanks!
The problem with scriptue alone is that people can interpret scripture in any way they want. Proof: thousands of different protestants denominations. All claim to have the truth. Well, there is only one truth. It is kept safe by the Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church.
Great job Joseph, as usual. I really enjoy your videos, they are very interesting and teach the truth. Bishop Barron is an incredible priest, I don't know why he has not been made a Cardinal. It is a shame the type of Crdinals we have today. Most of them don't deserve the office. Whereas Bishop Barron in a unique Bishop and is bypassed. Hopefully own next Holy Father will not oversee him and make him a Cardinal. In fact I would say, he should be made Pope. Of course that is up to our Lord Himself. Thanks for all your important videos.
Bishop Barron’s ministry is an ongoing fountain of wisdom I am deeply grateful for. I also appreciate Ben’s sincere openness to learn about Catholicism with mutual respect. 🙌 Ben🙌❤Bishop Barron❤
Thank you! Very very well explained!
Excellent . . . great way to present the discussion !
Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth;
I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34
Yes the peace in the Catholic Church is not of this world. All worldly argues are settled for the kingdom 0f God.
@@toneyh1
But BEFORE the coming Kingdom Of God...
Later, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives. His disciples came to him privately and said,
“Tell us, when will all this happen?
What sign will signal your return and the end of the world?”
- Matthew 24:3
...and you can just read the whole of Matthew 24.
johnduncan: that is one of the most important passages in scripture which Christian tend to gloss over. I have never ever heard that read in church (and I am an organist). I heard John Bradshaw quote it.
@rrickarr, Matthew 24:4-13 is read in Year A of the Catholic Lectionary on the 30th of June, the optional commemoration of the First Martyrs of the Church of Rome. The celebrant priest generally begins his homily with the question in verse 3 for context and perspective.
Is it not ironic that Protestant churches avoid the passage, whereas it is part of the Catholic Lectionary?
@@wenshan9101there NOT protestant”churches”but protestant CULTS
Thank You Joseph. You explain things claerly.
John MacArthur just wants his view and interpretation to prevail. His criticism is as if he's speaking into a mirror and the subject is himself.
You did a good job explaining doctrine in the beginning. Many Catholics don’t understand the concept.
"He underscores that these discussions aim to deepen our understanding of the already revealed Truth...."
Exactly! Love this!
Although debate and discussion is good, Truth is not up for debate. We have to use our reason, our understanding of Scripture, and what God has revealed to us about Who He is and who we are, to come into a more developed understanding of what is Ultimately True.
God bless Bishop Barron!! Thank you for your videos. I'm a new subscriber today! ❤
I’d like to hear from Bishop Barron his opinions on the current war against Catholicism from within the Church itself.
me too
@@luisbarbosa8136 So much for "unity" huh?
There’s NO war within Catholicism because one is in the mystical body of Christ on earth the holy Catholic Church or one is damned. It’s loyalty and obedience to the infallible Magisterium that’s saved a soul
@@TimSpangler-rd6vsthere’s NO disunity. Your either obedient the infallible Magisterium of the holy Catholic Church or your damned. I tell protestant’s to leave their man made protestant CULT
@@simonslater9024 I'm not loyal to any mere mortal. You can if you want. Enjoy
The Holy Spirit dwells in the Catholic Church since 33AD!!
She will never be destroyed Acts 5:38-39!
Noting says "Holy Spiirit dwells" quite like covering up child rapes for DECADES...
I hope not..
but i also hope you take that miserable marxist that is in charge right now (the pope)
The Holy Spirit Dwells in whoever Believes in Jesus Christ and accepts to commit to him ...Mark 16 16 , John 3 16, Romans 10-9 , Acts 16 21 , Luke 23 42-43....im a Follower of Christ.not.the Catholic Church and can only Rely on God , His Word and people who follow Christ himself...
Oh and John 14 :6 😁
@@davidjaramillo8282. Catholics are far too arrogant.
Great video! Thank you.
Here's my little treatise...
When one comes to understand that what the Church teaches is True, including that the Pope and bishops are successors to the apostles who walked with Christ, one comes to understand that it is all True. That if indeed the Church is the one founded by Christ who promised to guide it, then the official teachings are ALL True, by definition. The Church has very carefully defined doctrinal development over the centuries.
No one single person can know all there is to know about...ancient faiths, Judaism - it's history and the understanding of God's Law and Covenant, anthropology, philosophy (all of it), theology (all of it), history, comparative cultures, early Christian thought, the Church Fathers, the development of the Biblical Canon, Christology, Christian spirituality, metaphysics, teleology, ontology, eschatology, linguistics, sociology, Christian ethics, history of politics, liturgy, fine arts, sacrament, free will, morality, literary studies, Essence and Being, epistemology, etc., etc., etc., that would allow one to be able to accurately interpret Divine Revelation and the Scriptures on one's own.
So of course there are thousands of Protestant denominations! No one person (or group) can possibly have the full picture so as to correctly understand and interpret all that has been revealed to us. How can anyone trust what their priest/pastor/elder/denomination/church council preaches from the pulpit? It is based purely on an individual person's way of viewing life and interpreting particular passages of Scripture. How do you know that what they say is actually True? If you disagree with what is said, you can go to another church, until you find one you agree with. But then YOU are determining what is true, rather than submitting to what is actually True.
But the Catholic Church, through its 2000+ year history does have this full picture, and can therefore act as 'umpire' or 'final arbiter' of Truth because it can take everything into account. It doesn't make Truth, humans aren't capable of doing that. The Church, instead, defines it and helps us understand it.
If Protestants believe that at about the 16th century (or the 4th century, or the 12th century, or whenever) the Catholic Church suddenly went awry, then that is to believe that God abandoned the Church He founded, and then left people to sort things out for themselves. He promised to Guide His Church, and then he abandons it? That doesn't make sense. Besides, we MUST remember, Christ founded a Church, He did not write a book.
Therefore, it is not up to us to decide what is True. Truth...is what is Objectively True. Our single, individual, broken minds are not capable of determining all that is True on our own. However, many of us pridefully think that we can; that somehow we know better than all the theologians, historians, philosophers, early Church writers, scientists, etc., that have come before us. That is QUITE a statement!
We need to humbly admit that we can't possibly know everything, and therefore turn to the Church, which is guided by God, to help us come to an ever deeper understanding of what is indeed True.
The evangelical brand of Protestantism is completely divorced from history. They have no idea what the Church has taught before they came into existence. I know I once was one; I was encouraged to study the Bible on my own with no context of the wider scripture nor of the faith handed down for 2000 years. We assumed Paul et al looked at the faith the same way we did when they wrote the epistles & books. smh 🤦♀️
And, dont forget, Our Blessed Mother and Jesus, have come to Saints in the Catholic Church ALONE through the centuries, to guide us too. But, I havent heard of a protestant church apparition. Actually, which one of them?
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Thank you very much respectfully 😊🙏
Thank you JD, great video! 🙌
Thanks for sharing!
If all the medical schools institutions give their books to be interpreted by each student, that would make horrible doctors of death.
If I remember correctly after Luther well known speech against the Church it only took Protestantism 5 years to split while the took 1500 years for the Catholic church to only have 3 schisms in her history. Now with hundreds, they just stopped naming themselves and label themselves non denominational with a catchy Church name.
Hey, God bless you, keep up your good work 🙏🏽
I like how you are to complete your message in a short time.
To me, doctrinal development is like saying, the number “one” is truth, which can be expressed in different ways, providing greater depth and appreciation of that truth, ie 3 - 2 = 1, whereas -2 + 3 = 1, or 2/2 = 1. These expressions take nothing away from the number one, but give us different perspectives of the same truth.
I’m curious about the concept of being obligated to believe something. How do you believe something that you aren’t naturally inclined to believe?
We need to pray for faith (or an increase in faith) it is a gift from above.
Yeah help my unbelief.. should be the prayer
@@roshankurien203that’s right it says that in the bible
You can accept it now and allow your acceptance of it develop.
So you're starting from a positive (rather then negative) hermeneutic.
It’s called faith for a reason which is the main emphasis of the apostles recounting their experiences and having them written them down even their most embarrassing and painful moments of failing to believe in Jesus so that we too can arrive at that place of deep unshakable faith as they have done over time.
I have an interesting reversion story if you ever wanted to have me on JD. God bless!
MacArthur and other protestant ministers have stated that biblical study should guided.
Good job, sir! Greetings from the Great White North.
God bless too!
same thing the ethiopian eunuch said to philip
Roman Catholocism has been "united" less than 1000 years. Can't forget their split in 1054 from the Orthodox - and the fact that Protestantism split from Rome. It is part of Roman Catholicism's legacy.
Yes, people have the freedom to choose to turn away from the Church and do their own thing. The Church stands as it always has through heresies, and schisms and people who thought they knew better than Christ's Church. That has nothing to do with the Church, just the pride of people who think they know better than the Church Christ promised to send His Spirit to guide. ❤️
The problem with the RC church, is that it regards the Popes as Christ's representatives on earth, and dismisses the INFALLIBLE Word of God as being LESS IMPORTANT than its own man-msde denominational doctrines.
It claims to be the FIRST CHURCH, (which isn't exactly true! The idea of the church was Jesus's idea, and the FIRST Christians were Jews who called themselves "BELIEVERS", NOT ROMAN CATHOLICS)!
The RC church's DRIFT AWAY FROM THE TRUTH of God's Word is the ORIGINAL CAUSE of the PROLIFERATION of ALL today's different denominations, ALL with their OWN home-made doctrines that NULLIFY the SUPERNATURAL POWER of GOD'S WORD.
Through the ages Satan has been busy reciting to the churches, ""Did God REALLY say.........? And he has brought them to the place where they are virtually paralyzed.
Christians would rather have a philosophical discussion ABOUT God/religion/evolution v creation, life/death etc.... anything, as long as it doesn't involve OBEDIENCE to the COMMANDS OF JESUS!. Jesus says in Matt 7:21, "NOT everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord', will enter the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, but only he who DOES THE WILL of My Father Who is IN HEAVEN. Many will say to Me on THAT day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name and in Your name cast out demons, and perform many miracles"? Then I will say to them, plainly, "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers"!
Jesus is NOT the HISTORICAL babe-in-arms or the liifeless Saviour on the cross. He was resurrected THREE DAYS AFTER His crucifixion and is ALIVE TODAY. HE is the SHEPHERD SAVIOUR and LORD of ALL who have received Him as Lord and who LISTEN and OBEY HIS VOICE!
Are you making an infallible statement? You love scripture! Read 2 Peter 3:16 1000X until it sinks in. Read Luke 10:16 "He who HEARS you hears Me" Read this: PETER as Shepherd and first Pope: Scriptural evidence and the structure of the primitive Church make it absolutely undeniable that Christ chose Peter and that Peter was first among the twelve. Depending on the translation, Peter is mentioned 195 times. The closest is John (the beloved disciple) at just 29 times. The rest even less. Consider:
Jesus entered Peter’s house. (Matthew 8:14)
Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter. (John 1:42)
Jesus gave Peter the keys to the gates of Heaven. (Matthew 16:19)
Jesus declared Peter to the the rock. (Matthew 16:18)
Jesus made Peter shepherd. (John 21:15-17)
Jesus told Peter to strengthen his brothers (Luke 22:32)
Jesus paid the Temple tax only for Himself and Peter. (Matthew 17:24-27)
Jesus preached from Peter's boat. (Luke 5:3)
Jesus told Peter to "Follow me" (John 21:19)
Jesus called only Peter to walk on the water. (Matthew 14:29)
Jesus predicted Peter's three-fold denial. (Matthew 26:34)
Jesus predicted Peter's repentance and three-fold affirmation. (Luke 22:32)
Jesus prophesied only Peter's manner of death. (John 21:18-19)
Jesus taught Peter forgiveness 70 times 7 times. (Matthew 18:21-22)
Jesus spoke only to Peter at Gethsemane. (Mark 14:37)
Peter is always listed first of the Apostles. (Matthew 10:2, Luke 6:14, Acts 1:13)
Peter was first to confess Jesus as Messiah. (Matthew 16:18)
Peter alone spoke at the Transfiguration. (Matthew 17:4, Mark 9:5, Luke 9:33)
Peter pointed out the withered fig tree. (Mark 11:21)
Peter entered the tomb first - John deferring to him. (Luke 24:12, John 20:3-4))
Peter decided the manner of replacing Judas. (Acts 1:15-26)
Peter spoke for the eleven at the Pentecost. (Acts 2:14-36)
Peter was released from prison by the Angel. (Acts 12:6-11)
Peter spoke for the eleven before the Council. (Acts 4:8-12)
Peter held sin bound to Ananias and Sapphira. (Acts 5:1-10)
Peter's shadow healed. (Acts 5:15)
Peter declared the sin of Simony. (Acts 8:18-23)
Peter revealed the salvation of Gentiles to the Church at Jerusalem. (Acts 11:1-18)
The Angel told Cornelius to call for Peter. (Acts 10:3-8)
The Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles as Peter preached to them. (Acts 10:44-45)
At the empty tomb, the Angel said, "Go tell His disciples, and Peter." (Mark 16:7)
Mary Magdalene ran to tell Peter and the beloved disciple. (John 20:2)
The vision of all foods being clean was given only to Peter. (Acts 10:9-16)
Peter's words silence the first council in Jerusalem. (Acts 15:7-12)
Paul went to Peter to affirm that his Gospel was not in vain. (Galatians 1:18)
Peter was given the revelation of the end of the world. (2 Peter 3:10-11)
Peter taught that Paul’s words were easily twisted. (2 Peter 3:16)
Peter taught that baptism now saves you (1 Peter 3:21)
And many other references. One may deny that Peter was primary, but it takes an amazing ignorance or denial of scripture and history to do so.
FYI: Infallibility is ONLY when the Pope speaks to the entire Church, and only on subjects of faith and morals and ONLY in union with the council, as in Actsc15. No pope has spoken infallibly in our lifetime.
The problem with scripture alone is that you can interpret the scripture in any way you want. Look at thousands of different protestant demoninations. All claim to have the truth. Well, there is only one truth, it is kept safe by the church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church.
Before the bible there was obedience. Creation itself is obedience to ultimate reality (logos). Being is not becoming and that is why you and/or protestants/pagans and all that came after 70AD are in infinite regress; religiously, ideologically and philosophically. That's the current state of affairs and at this point it's undeniable that what corruption put in motion continues in motion.
Before the bible there was obedience. Creation itself is obedience to ultimate reality (logos). Being is not becoming and that is why you and/or protestants/pagans and all that came after 70AD are in infinite regress; religiously, ideologically and philosophically. That is the current state of affairs and it's undeniable that what corruption or error put in motion is still in motion.
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You were on to something there until you dropped that stumbling block with your last two words.
It is better to be divided for the sake of truth than unified around paedophilia.
Bishop forgot to mention the guarantee and the protection of the holy spirit against teaching error in the areas of faith and morals.
Teaching by whom? Are we talking about one plus billion Christians all reading the same book and each coming up with their own interpretation of what it says. If at was the case their would not be 30,000 denominations, their would only e one. And no one would need Rev. So and So or Father Someone else to tell them what it said. We would all just naturally know so we would not even need the book
Because Jesus said to Peter, this is my Church, that is all you need to know as a Catholic, which I am
As a Catholic, I wish Catholic Apologists would quit saying there are multiple thousands of Protestant denominations. This is misleading and not accurate. Please watch a
TH-cam video by Ready to
Harvest titled “Are there
really 45,000 Christian
denominations? Thanks and
God bless.
Including the independent non-denominations, there is way too much Protty's denominations.
Will you agree with hundreds or several thousand? It really doesn’t matter. What matters is protestants reject the real Jesus who said in Mat16:18 “And I tell you that you are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.”
@@Spiritof76Catholic Yes, I agree there are hundreds if not a few thousand. It just hurts our discussion if we are using inaccurate information. My question for them is, “Denominations, are they of God or of man?”
@@essafats5728 Yes. I live in a town of 4300 and we have 4 different Presbyterian churches for Pete’s sake.
I don’t care, 2 or 10 million, either way there is disunity which disobeys Christs desire that they would be one. Only the Catholic Church has even the possibility to provide unity, and in fact has unity.
This logic is why I left the doctrinal chaos of Protestantism for Catholicism. Many parts of the Bible are so simple and 3rd grader could read it and understand it.
But if the Bible were that simple that any person could read it and understand it (in its entirety). Then there would be no arguments about doctrine. Some parts of the Bible (like the book of revelation) have been argued about ever since it was written.
Like a college math class. You can’t just pass out books with no teacher and expect everyone to go home and be able to understand it equally. In Protestantism, there is no one there to settle disputes. Which is why separation is the only answer for people who argue about doctrine. Because both parties think they represent the Bible alone. But one interprets it rightly and another wrongly. The Bible itself says there is no “private interpretations.”
Unfortunately John MacArthur is a Calvinist. But Calvinism is not biblical and an inaccurate interpretation of scripture. Unfortunately so many have been lead away from the truth.
Him and James white have done a great number of disservice
2 points of contention: 1. What do you do when the umpires become corrupt? You are expected to just continue playing the same game with bad umpires calling the balls and strikes? 2. What's wrong with giving a kid Hamlet and sending them off? Sure, they might only understand bits of it at first, or perhaps only get the basic plot. BUT if they KEEP READING it, their understanding will grow every time and will eventually begin to catch on to the deeper themes. The Bible assures us that God's Spirit will lead us to the Truth. And if the argument is that 30,000 denominations show that Protestants have gotten the Truth wrong, then the argument can also be made that the Catholic church has also gotten the Truth wrong, it's just that they've convinced their followers to continue playing their game even with some bad rules. Because there is no person (or persons) who always gets everything right all of the time.
@user-tv2ju9fw3eyes God always has a remnant. I just contend that the Catholic church as a whole has corrupted the rule book. I believe there are still Catholics IN the church that still play the game fairly, just as there are Protestants in every denomination that also stay true to the original rules. God's remnant is not limited to one group over the other. I think His team is a cross-section as He calls individual members to join the game. Not under any one "church" manager, but under the management of His Spirit and His Word.
@user-tv2ju9fw3e First of all, I would blame myself for crappy parenting. Which one do you think is seeking God with all his heart and trying his best to follow the rulebook? Because God knows who's on His team and who isn't. And even if at this point, they have it wrong, He can work with them to change their mind in the future. The real question is: are they in a position to teach and influence others to go the wrong way before that time comes? Because God holds those people to a much higher standard.
Two more questions to debate from the bible JD!..
1, 1 timothy:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth......
who are these people the bible talking about?
2, Revalation 14:1- Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
Who are these 144000 the bible talking about? Are these the catholic priests who do not marry??? After Jesus went to heaven how many unmarried priests were there till now??
If only 144,000 where are the others???
Finally had a chance to watch this. JD, this is one of your best as it does a good job of really getting into the Catholic view of what the church is for. Great interview and even though I have major issues with some of what the Bishop has said but he did make great points.
1. I agree the church should umpire right or wrong. I also agree that the church must also be reformed constantly, but I disagree as the Bible should be the only standard reform should be used as it seems like he was referring to culture and the times being a part of it. Maybe I was misunderstanding him there, so if you guys would like to correct me please do.
2. I also agree the Bible is complex as the books do have a tendency to be difficult to understand and there should be help for this. I kind of thought this was the purpose of sermons, but his view the church is ultimately responsible is fine, as well. However, I take issue with his characterization that non clergy are too immature to understand scripture. In fact, even if he was right, the main lightning rod for the Reformation was a Catholic Monk. I’ve heard a lot of people degrade him and I think he had issues too with beliefs, but if anyone says he didn’t know scripture that would be a lie. A lot of the doctrine I disagree with the Catholic Church was not made at the time of the apostles, but centuries after Peter was crucified.
3. Just to stem the tide of possible negative comments like, “What makes you infallible…” etc. I will freely admit I am completely fallible. I am looking at scripture as best I can and comparing it to doctrine. It is what we’re supposed to do. I hear constantly used here. “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Philippians 2:12. Paul doesn’t mention work it out with your church, but yourself. He expects us to be Bereans and test the Scriptures with what we are told. He doesn’t commend you to just accept it. He does say the Church is the defense of truth, but also there will be wolves who will infiltrate the church. History has proved him correct. Start with Benedict IX if you don’t believe me and probably thousands more.
Simple truth is this from what I perceive.
A. No church is infallible (30,000 denominations and millions of problems) I am not just down on the Catholics, all churches are manmade institutions and fail. That is truth if you look at it objectively. To wave your denomination flag with pride is honestly pointless whether you’re Protestant or Catholic or Orthodox.
B. Unity is possible with the doctrine of Salvation that Paul preached. We don’t have to be united on the literal bread and wine of the Last Supper or whether Mary and Joseph consummated their marriage. (Which honestly is really a weird religious argument to have objectively. Seriously, what does Mary’s personal life have to do with salvation? If you believe a lot show me the verse and I’ll counter with John 3:16-18, 1st Corinthians 15: 1-4.
C. This last one kind of goes with A. Our pride should be in Christ alone. If that is who you worship, then you are my brother regardless if your worship is different. The time is growing short. Can you divine the season we’re in?? Many wolves and false prophets on your side and mine are giving whatever false doctrine itchy ears want to hear. Even the good Bishop has said an atheist can go to heaven based on his own conscience. This is against Jesus very direct words regarding salvation.
If we are not the last generation before the second coming, we’re very close to it.
All churches are not manmade. Christ made a church and he was God. Your goal should be the find that church which he established and promised the gates of hell to not overcome. The Catholics claim to have that church. You have an obligation to take that seriously and investigate it. The Protestant view of history doesn’t hold up if you look at church history along with the promises Christ makes to the apostles about His Church. It’s a simple historical investigation about which church was divinely instituted, it’s quite simple really.
These verses are in the Bible and these verses are the inspired word of God:
1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Luke 1:46-47 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
1 Corinthians 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
1 Samuel 2:2 “There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Mark 7:7. “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
1 Timothy 4:3 “Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.”
2 Timothy 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Tit 1:7 - For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God;
Hosea 6:6 “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.”
Rev 3:16 - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Better to be a born again Christian and find a good Bible study group.
Protestantism is the result of the corruption of the medieval or Latin church it as nothing to do with Catholicism. True catholicism is universal not tribal like the Roman church claiming to be the only true church. Many reformed churches believe in the holy catholic and apostolic church, but it is not just Roman or Eastern it is all true believers no matter what Rites or denominations.
Thank you Bishop Barron!
Right on the truth!
Our empire is God the father, our rule book is Bible. Not a pope who as a human can never be infallible
Catholics behaves as though their historyis not known to the world. The gospel is not a trademark of any sect
God will not let the Catholic Church go astray. There will be strong followers to ensure that.
How do we reconcile the WOKE dictates of this Pope with what we know to be true?
Except that the Catholic church has been led astray in the past
@@afhostieIt’s clear in scripture the gates of hell will not prevail against the Catholic Church
The Catholic Church is already gone.
@@Marc-kw4tk There is something very powerful going on in the background led by God. Those strong of the faith know it.
If we truly believe in Jesus , Repent of our sins, get water baptized we will all would be saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit!! But men heart is evil without Gods Spirit!!! We make simplicity of the gospel to difficult!!
Excellent. I would however draw the distinction between study of sacred scripture and lectio divina...
Most people read scripture to encounter God through the Holy Spirit. But I agree more needs to be done to teach the foundational principles. God bless!
the catholic church actually hastnt been undivided for 2000 years. the pope of rome broke from the other popes 1000 years ago.
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Yep! And, Christ is the preferred way! But not the only way! Catholics who look to Bp Barron for answers will be lost!
Everyone who is saved is saved through the Cross of Jesus. There are, however, certain circumstances whereby some people who through no fault of their own haven't heard of Jesus, or were maybe scandalized or hurt by people in the Church, who, if they live a good life and follow their consciences (which is God's voice in them - even if they don't know it), then through Jesus, might be saved. But everyone saved is saved through Jesus.
I loved the guest before, i love him more now.
Hamlet interpretive apparatus.
Exactly.
Infallible means wont fail and wont fall the church is 2000 years old
The unity of the church does not depend on the Catholic church or any church. There are as many Catholic denominations as in protestantism. But the strength of the church is that each individual local church be subject to the authority of the Bible. Does the bishop think God to be irresponsible to leave his book in the hands of such as the fishermen, and the other apostles? Every child of God has in His Word everything he needs to be saved and live a fruitful christian life. Thank God we can read it each one in his own language, in spite of all the opposition of the Catholic Church who still opposes a christian by himself reading it and obeying it ! That's why in the New Testament God only appointed firt apostles then pastors ond overseers, and no papacy or any such hierarchy! Independent churches can better reinterpret God's word for each generation. Better than far removed authorities who don't even live normal lives. They make void the words of the Lord when He taught us:* do not call anyone " father", *do not use flowing robes like the pharisees to be honored by men, do not prohibit marriage, do not repeat phrases like the pagans do, among other things.
There is nothing sacred about tradition. Jesus had a lot to say about the Pharisees putting their traditions ahead of the commands of God.
Paul, himself,, says to follow Tradition and Scripture...he was referring to the Old Testament.
This is such lazy reading and interpretation of scripture.
even when you hate the Catholic Church don't allow your anger impede your ability to reason. you are like as if you are saying that even scripture or the Bible is not sacred because the Bible came from tradition it din't literally fall from heaven to us. such a statement is very absurd.
You seem to have a false impression that the traditions of the Catholic Church are identical (certainly in terms of their importance) to those of the Pharisees; they are not. And I guarantee you actually know nothing about them
I find myself explaining to Protestant acquaintances that they are somewhat correct when they say I'm Catholic, so I don't read the Bible. I tell them as a Catholic, I don't read the Bible, I study the Bible. Then they choke over their prepared arguments designed to convert me. You have an interesting presentation, thanks!
See above comment
You must be rhe exception in studying the Bible ( reading is implied)
@@leif54240 No, that's a stereotype I rebuke. I'm not the only Catholic who studies the Bible. Even the Gospel homilies are explanations of the three Biblical readings at each Sunday Mass.
How ironic that Bishop Barron tried to point the Protestants speck in the eye when Bishop has a plank. I am thankful for the Protestant reformation but I don't agree with Calvanism or Pentecostal and definitely could not be a Catholic as Catholic church has unbiblical doctrines and makes church tradition above the word of God and that's a problem as Jesus left us a message that the final word is always scripture. He pointed to scripture every time but Catholic church does not believe in Sola Scriptura.
Please tell me where in he Bible it says ONLY by faith. Please give exact citation so I can look at original source document, i.e. Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek or whatever. Thank you and God Bless Yoy.
Not a debating society. Tell that to a Jew. That’s why most of them will choose an evangelical church.
Unrestricted interpretation of the bible leads to Moral Relativism.
Bingo. This is exactly how progressive Christianity came be.
The most hated and ignored verse: 2 Peter 3:16.
praying to saints? Praying to Mary? Praying for the dead? Are these Christian? Certainly not,, no apostle has ever done the above.... not even apostle Peter who they consider as the first pope...this came in much later...
The “authority” argument is false. I encourage everyone to do a word study in “authority “ in the New Testament.
Disagreements are ok, each person is responsible to do their study to be approved thy God.
Leaning 100% on others, won’t get a person far.
I THINK COFFE AND TREATS SHOULD HAPPEN MID SERVICE IM STARTING MY OWN CHURCH DAMMIT
If the umpire is "infallible" he must always be good and perfect umpire, then we wouldn't have Protestantism.
How did you get to “good and perfect” from infallible? Where do we teach that the “umpire” is “perfect and good”? Christ said there’d be weeds in the wheat in His kingdom, and He even had _Judas_ amongst His apostles. Far from “perfect” people. You think His human side of the Church would be perfect? No. He prmosed His Church He’d guide them in all TRUTH, not all good and perfection.
The pope is a man. We all know he’s a man. The pope is unable to change doctrine or dogma all on his own.
God doesn’t change so His laws and rules don’t change regardless of society changing.
Infallibility is only in things he says that are in concert, does not contradict the commandments and gospel.
Protestantism keep birthing new churches every time members don’t agree with what they supposedly believe.
The Catholic Church was instrumental in the creation of hospitals, universities, orphanages, genetics and the scientific method.
That's silly, you hould lean what we Catholics believe before you comment. We do not believe that popes must always be good and perfect ( although that would be nice). They are human, but when dealing with the teaching of faith and morals ex Cathedra, the Holy Spirit does protect him from error, even if he's a poor sinner. But notice, you didn't apply that same criteria of perfectnesd an goodness to all th Protestant revolutionaries such as luther and Calvin, yet they are the popes of protestantism who came up with the doctrines of sola fide, sola scripture... etc.
@@cristinamz2137 Infallible: incapable of making mistakes or being wrong.
That's why the doctrine of infallibility of the pope is a disputed matter.
And who made Calvin, Luther and the likes, as popes of protestantism? Do you think there will be no reformation if it did not happen 500 years ago?
Protestants, yes, but Lutherans never said ''take the Bible and read it''. The lutheran reformation, the only reformation, brought back the gospel and articulated a summary of its theology (Augsburg Confession) and then said to the people ''check whatever we say in the Bible''. Protestantism is not Lutheranism. Protestantism is a sum of heresies.
30,000 denominations and beyond. I know it's not supposed to be funny. But it kind of is.
What was I thinking?!?!
A “United Catholic Church”?!?
So I guess you forgot about The Great Schism…..?
Answer me why are catholics divided
Religion is not like game of present day tennis. It is like basketball or as bishop Barron articulates a game of baseball. Tennis nowadays is aided by technology
Catholicism goes wrong in the beginning at its roots itself because its doctrine is based on human traditions.
When you base your doctrine on human useless rituals and beliefs, example worship of queen in heaven and kneeling before stone and wood statues breaking the 1st and 2nd commandments then there is no room for any discussion of right and wrong. Doctrine itself is a lie.
From our savior directly. No strings or explanation required, he says nullifying the word of god to follow human traditions are wrong. Read
Mark 7:7
Read mathew 15: 3
Because they don't have the Holy Ghost.
The umpire on the field for the Protestant (of which there are NOT 30,000 denominations but perhaps a couple dozen, roughly similar to the number of Catholic expressions-I'm surprised someone as thoughtful and brilliant as dear Barron would continue this disproven claim) is the scripture and its proper interpretation by Catholic and Protestant theologians and exegetes throughout history.
to Andrew Kendall, In uncertainty, I believe that Bishop Barron's mind "thought" suffers from lack of "fulfilment" (Lk 1:45) in not keeping its inseparability and qualitative equality with "heart" feeling as this in uncertainty (Lk 1:29, 34) keeping is not "believed" (Lk 1:45) by him.
So not believed is in Barron lacking role conceptions and identity capability of "let it be to me" (Lk 1:38) in his non-consecrated marriage role in error purporting presuming Mary's consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ: 'let it be to me", is "a higher way of love" (his interview by Lex Fridman on 20 July 2022 on "Christianity and the Catholic Church at time 51:46 of the You Tube podcast) than her consecrated male female marriage vowed to God: "Joseph ... took his wife" (Mt 1:24).
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Too much commentary. Let the conversation take place unhindered.
I think Bishop Baron is a brilliant man of God! However he is wrong in his understanding of this concept. By what he is saying we then would not be Christians, but followers of Rabbinical Judaism. The whole reason we are Christians is because we do not accpet One the rabbis view of the bible. does not need a governing body to understand the bible but the Holy Spirit of God!
Remember that all things in the Old Testament became amplified, more complete, greater finally in the New Testament through Jesus.
Protestants lost the authority of God that was amplified by Jesus then
Completed in the Holy Spirit. This was passed down by authority of the Trinity’s to the Apostles and disciples, fathers of the Church, then Doctors of the Church. They lost by their heresies and leaving the Church. There is only one Church under the Trinity instituted by Jesus Christ. You cannot begin to dilute the efficacy and truth of the Church by personal authority… you end up either 30,000 plus denominations all claiming they have the Way, the Truth, and the Life… it’s blasphemy, heresy, sacrilegious to know better than Christ Jesus Himself. And it all smacks of the unforgivable sin towards the Holy Spirit that Jesus war ned us of.
The amount of commentary is bothering
Don't you think its setting the context for the next clip ? I can reduce the commentary for the future vidoes
The Crusades, the Inquisition. The vile acts of the popes, including murder and having prostitutes. Peter was mot the first pope. He was rebuked by Jesus and Paul. If he was the pope, Paul would not dare to rebuke the pope. Especially, publickly. If Mary is so important, why didn't Jesus tell the Apostles to take instruction from her. After all, to the Catholics she's just as important as Jesus, if not more so. How about idol worship. Everyone kissing statues. Paul says " To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord." NO PURGATORY ! JESUS died on the cross, ONCE FOR ALL. Not to be crucified at every mass.
Praying to Mary and saints is idolatry
Don’t care how many men decide
Why do you think Luther called them out
Why don’t Catholics encourage reading and meditating on God’s word
WOW we are not intelligent enough to read the Bible for ourselves
Remember the Holy Spirit he teaches us all truth not men
Also many devisions of Catholicism
Is it right to give the Bible to pope's and bishops and say interpret this and we will believe everything you tell?
Thats what was wrong in Jesus time. The pharasises and saduscesses the great priests, taught the Bible according to their interpretation but Jesus forbade that. He kept calling them vipers who taught false teaching and human traditions.
The Roman Catholics do not have an umpire governing the game of biblical interpretation. Rather it has a team captain telling its players what strategies to use. An umpire is an independent judge who doesn’t belong to either side. The problem with Catholicism is its attitude to tradition is more compelling to them, even though newer information can upend the validity of beliefs. The fact that there are tens of thousands of Protestant religions is a good thing for humanity which, like the flowers in a garden, benefits from diversity. Protestantism is a better ism to handle newer revelations in faith, science, and the arts. Baron once again shows typical Roman Catholic arrogance that he is right, his god is right, and the Protestants and their God is wrong.
curious how the catholic church split too, and Barron can't show his version is any better than the next.
There is only one true church.
That has been same Church for over 2000 years. We bicker with each other, we fix our problems together, we do not cower and create bootleg churches like....
@@notdisclosed it's not catholic -- Bible is clear on that fact.
@velkyn1 velkyn1 is a John Balnis Bot.
@tony1685 yes, it is Catholic.
J. D. Can you please talk more slowly, or are you paying by the millisecond? Thanks.
This is very helpful and also gives me good arguments against Protestants
Protestant churches are independent churches. Like we see in the NT. The rcc is one large denomination with a pope as the head.
Were the churches “independent” from the decision is the decision made at the council at Jerusalem in acts 15?
@@IG88AAA they were not under the authority of a bishop of rome.
@@Justas399do you have an answer to the question?
@@Justas399 Were they subject to the decisions of the leaders of the council? Or were they independent of that decision?
You made the claim that there were “independent churches” in the New Testament. What does “independent” mean?
@@IG88AAA After James ruled for the church on what will be done then a letter via the apostles to various churches. None of those churches were under the jurisdiction and authority of any bishop of rome.
Kass vala nithiethiya novana nisi bisoplaata pavarannaa
What church are u talking about. U did not succeed from peter so how can u claim apostolic succession.
Joseph, I just came across your channel. Why are you spending so much time hating on Christians? Even your thoughts on salvation mirror Islam rather than the Bible. I hope you spend time with the Bible and less on vitriol.
NO... it's not..."here! Interprete the bible how ever you want"😳
That's the problem exactly. Catholics do not yet know what the POWER of the Holy Spirit is.👈
The bible is not any regular old book! It's the power of God for Salvation. The God of this universe can open up the eyes and understanding of all those who are humble and truly desire to know Him. Call on Jesus today my catholic friends! Trust that HE alone can lead your way! Jesus is "The Way, The Truth and The Life"....and absolutely NO ONE will come to The Father, except through Him. Popes, keeping sacraments or even Mary can NOT save you. It's writting inside the bible in black and white. Please read it and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand without any middle man. ❤ Jesus said that we MUST be born again in order to enter Heaven, and this does NOT mean doing any rituals or baptisim. This is a life or death situation. Please call on Him today with no lip service. He does not desire repetative prayer, speak to Him humbly and simply from your heart. ❤
What is a field of study that one could learn just by reading books?
Mathematics