Disgaea 5 Review: Destroying Villages With A Button Press
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Start to finish, a pure hit of dopamine that's sure to please.
I figure some might be expecting some criticisms but I wound up not agreeing with a lot of common critiques of the gameplay. Initially when I started writing the review, sure, but I clocked a lot of hours in and ended up seeing this game for what it really is. It has a lot of hidden depth and the inability to see it at first can be frustrating. There's a sense of "Are these really my only options?" but it gets better provided you can piece everything together.
I guess my only real complaints are that the game isn't completely open about it's gameplay loop.
I love this game, so if you've slept in it, definitely check it out.
Here's the list of goofy evility descriptions:
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Keep in mind that the Steam version fixed a lot of these translations, but also created atleast one of it's own that I noticed during play.
Here's a list of useful evilities:
/ useful_evilities_carnage
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@@dasmakheads Because I already banned you on your main.
@@Mint_Condition Yeah, I know you did. That's why i made a comment regarding the situation. This is my main. 😂
@@dasmakheads I'm accusing you of ban evasion.
@@Mint_Condition This must be a troll. I really hope it is, because that is literally the only account I've ever used on discord. I can't possibly be trying to play a part in "Ban Evasion" if I've never been in the server once, let alone twice.
In terms of Disgaea 6 my opinion can be summed up with a conversation
“Why isn’t there anymore map wide skills”
“Idk”
“But we did introduce a unit who has a skill of which’s range expands indefinitely”
“Why would you do that instead of just making a map wide skill?”
“We were just in a silly goofy mood.”
I don't expect them to use the same Meta every time. They have so much making you want to auto play the game and having a Sage might make killing things easy enough for you to want to do it yourself.
How to improve Disgaea 5 story in 3 steps
1: show, don't tell. Like in the last chapter, a demon yells that angels are attacking... No, shows us the angels killing the crap out of the Lost!
2: change Void's motivation from "I want to resurrect muh sister" to "The carnage guys are going to fucking kill us and my plan is the only option to kill them"
3: have a prinny killing Seraphina. Multiple times.
Void being just a regular disgaea player sounds great, ngl
I'm probably never gonna play these game but damn are these reviews fun to watch. GET THIS MAN MORE SUBSCRIBERS.
So the Didagaea games being grid based can be a turn off. The other NIS strategy games are more free form. Phantom Brave, Makai Kjngdom, and some of the others that have gotten re-released the last couple years.
I actually didn’t know about most of these weird translation issues on the evilities. This changes a lot now that I’m on a new playthrough of 5
I learned pretty early on with the gun evilities. 3:
What's the TLDR ?😅
@@Lyoko42o basically some abilities may say something completely different from what they actually do if you’re playing the original or switch complete ports. He mentions a few in the video, such as the one that says you lose hell based on damage taken, when what it actually does is increases the damage you deal based on the total ammount of hell you have.
Love your editing and writing style hope you eventually get around the rest of the games
Disgaea 2 on ps2 was my first game of the series and i fell in love with with the franchise since then, i have all the pc ports and i cant wait for the rest of them. I love your videos because they remind me about all the things i enjoyed about the games, and in a very funny format. Keep up the great work .
Also shame for what happened to disgaea 6, the 2d sprites are iconic to the series and to me the 3d models just look like they are from a shitty mobile game. I dont know anything gameplay wise, so i hope its not a downgrade like the graphics
Thank you. I'm waiting to see what they release on PC as well. I've got everything on PC so far, and I'm currently waiting on Soul Nomad. The PS2 games have so much love behind them and I'm excited to see them get more attention.
Initially I was excited to see Disgaea 6's graphics. The reveal made them look better than they really were, as I'm a fan of that sort of aesthetic. Gameplay wise I'm not a fan either. I'd definitely put it on the lower end of the scale. I wasn't angry about it, just not interested enough to continue.
I dunno if it was just me, but I LOVED the 3D Models. The problem I had was the MASSIVE cut to Generic Units. Least 7 fixed that.
To be honest i mostly play disgaea for the item world, they could make a disgaea game with only the item world and i would play it indefinitely.
I feel that on a spiritual level, my brother.
This was my starting point for disgaea series also plan on getting the rest cool video man
>translation errors in abilities description
Oh god, the marry skelter PTSD is kicking in
Oh god. I played most of the Vita Dungeon Crawlers but I didn't get to that one. I can only imagine how hard that is.
@@Mint_Condition pro tip, get the switch sequel because it gives you the first game as free dlc (good luck with the true ending)
But basically you get this skill called "Amber Red." that the game says it does "massive damage to all enemies"... Turn out another character gets a move called "Kill rush" that does the same damage for less mana
please make a video on marry skelter you (probably) won't regret it
@@ruikirisame1744 I'll keep it on my Radar. No promises that I finish it any time soon though.
@@Mint_Condition that's all the reassurance I need. Thanks
Disgaea 5's plot is a B-Kung Fu movie that didn't double down on the premise enough. Many of the plot beats follow those kinds of films, but, enough effort is never really spent to build the world up, and it gets diluted by the kinda weird, interplanetary, overlord drama backdrop. I believe that the removal of the recruitment skits from Disgaea 3 and 4, however minor they may seem, was actually a pretty major contributor to this dilution of setting.
Also not helping is its conflict with Makai Kingdom's establishing of lore, which, for one reason or another, is the view of the NIS-verse that seems the most popular with fans. Myself included.
Also, for everything the main game did well mechanically, Disgaea 5 has earned my eternal enmity for ruining monster recruitment, and apparently being the model future games will follow.
Along with the early game item world dive, one of the absolute highlights of Disgaea is coming up with a patented, brilliant plan to bring down the lowest level Rifle Demon, or Skeletal Dragon, or whatever senator by chapter 3. But, apparantly, the game is perfectly fine and well balanced if the player can grind up to Sage before chapter 2, but Eryngi need to be kept under strict lock and key, amirite?
Petty rant of a monster lover over.
They basically made monsters as much of a pain in the ass as normal characters are to get in 4. I don't know why. I want to play the game with the cool new characters and my personal favorites, not be roadblocked into stupid shit that the devs decided to put into the game for whatever reason. I'm not a fan of monster recruitment either. I didn't use monsters that much so I wasn't too sure what a "feeler" was initially. I think that letting you recruit them after you see them is fine, so why change it from that? It's not like monsters are overpowered. If anything I think they're too weak outside one or two of them and the ability to magichange them, which is more of empowering another unit and not fixing the inherent issue that the monster just isn't strong on it's own.
I also don't like how 4 and 5 trample on the pre-established lore either. Fans trying to remedy the bad writing by tying it to other games by saying things like "Overlord Zenon is from Cryoblood" just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Disgaea 1 and 2 are fine, and connecting 5 to them just tries to drag them down with it.
I also really missed character recruitment skits. Not only because it gave me a lot of material to work with, but because they were great and made me want to make one of every unit.
This deserves a lot of views this editing's pretty thorough!!
When I think about it, Killia is this bizarre fusion of Adell and Rozalin, but with way worse handling of the whole "evil alter ego" part of their characters.
In 2, Rozalin being the real Zenon was a great twist , and the way they handle it was equally great. When Adell shuts up the real Zenon with a kiss, that feels fucking earned as hell because of their relationship that develops over the course of the entire story. Best couple in the franchise.
But for Killia it's so....lazy? His "killer instinct" goes out of control when he thinks Seraphina dies, he loses control again against Bloodis, and then after that Killia just....gets over it. Huh? That shit is super rushed and makes no sense. It's not like Zenon being a sealed up part of Rozalin's personality that could reasonably be influenced by spending the entire game with our heroes, this thing is his killer instinct going wild, where he has to concentrate all the time to avoid letting it loose. How the hell did he just get over something that fundamental to him as a person?
I still like the story and the characters in this game, but above all else Killia's "development" in the story is its worst aspect to me. Even if him getting Avidya Holy Water as a result of it is a sweet payoff in terms of gameplay.
Of course the gameplay is easily the best it's ever been in the franchise. There's so much customization and options available to the player it's unreal. Revenge Mode, Overload Skills, Squads, Subclasses, Curries, Netherworld Research, and that's just the new shit in addition to all the other staples in the franchise. And monsters are arguably their most useful here except maybe D4 since they finally have weapon mastery and can throw people now.
I actually liked Killia's development because it reminded me of the relationship I had with my ADHD once I found out about it. I just did my best to snuff it out and didn't come to terms with it until much later, which is what allowed me to work around it in productive ways. Killia isn't just magically done with his killer instinct, it's going wild because he's denying it. It's a part of him and he's leaving it out on the bench pretending it doesn't exist. However the game does do a terrible job of conveying that sort of side to it however because it's something I only noticed this time around, when I was thinking about the game and not playing it.
I hope you do eventually get to the rest of the series, 1 is my favorite game of all time.
Nothing is completely off the tables.
D5's story and most characters (not you Usalia) was so horrendous that I just couldn't play more after beating the game. The only reason I was able to power through to the end was because of the amazing gameplay, the life they gave to the creatable characters, and the hope that the story would get better...
Yeah, I play Disgaea for the story and gameplay is more like the sides and spices to the main dish.
Yeah i feel this. It really did feel like they put the story first and foremost in 1 and 2, and then post game gave you some fun side stories and challenges that incentivized the grind, but the main story was still what kept you going to that point. I miss when disgaea actually had good stories...
I get that. I just can't say I like the stories much past the first two. It's a real shame because I know they can do better than this. I kind of feel like Disgaea is their cash cow and some of the passion is gone now.
Also, that bit about disgaea 6 got me good. Hopefully, with 7 on the horizon, they will, at the very least, polish up the huge flaws of 6
Yeah, I'm hoping for the same. I got burned on Disgaea 6 though, so I'm waiting until I know for sure that the game is worth my money.
can you make a disgeae 7 video?
As a big disgaea fan, these are incredible, love your stuff man
Thank you, thank you : )
Hell yeah, dude been waiting on this for a while
why the hell does this video start with valvatorez beating the shit out of adam conover
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It's Judge Nemo
@@Mint_Condition why did you put adam conover's face on him
You finished the main storyline and you think the game is done? Oh you poor lost fool, you're just getting started.
Idk why but I thinking hated the blocks... Geo Prisms are back and better than ever. Feels like this is the best game in the series for me cause of a lot of things.
I came for the Disgaea review in-passing, but then you referenced Kamen Rider and now I'm sold. /s
I've been playing 5 for a long time now and while I personally find the story on-par with dog piss (Disgaea stories tend to be subtle deconstructions/parodies. 5's writing was just 2's but worse; every martial arts anime ever made), I can at least appreciate the gameplay improvements. It tricked me at-first given a few weird early game choices. But as the game went on, I developed a soft spot for most of it.
I'm really happy they made Chara World a board game tho. Screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew CW in 3 and 4.
I 100% Disgaea 1. Loved the story, loved the gameplay, love the Majin class. Now im playing through Disgaea 2 and watching these reviews to see how much I have been missing out on. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, thank you. I really love the series, and I hope you enjoy the other entries as well.
I just finished the story, I bout shit a brick in the event convo right before the last chapter starts that explains that macrocosm is LITERALLY the power of friendship. The concentrated kamehameha of friendship.
The power of friendship trope is good culture
Goldion Demon Fist style is based entirely in fostering Love and Virtue in demonkind its like what if Adell and Flonne opened a dojo.
Im glad you also enjoy disgaea 2 more than 3-5. People act like I'm crazy for saying that but I'm not crazy. Good stuff
To be honest I don't remember that much about Disgaea 3 so I just lumped it in with the other two. But yeah, I don't really like the shift in focusing on more cast members + the humor doesn't really hit as consistently for me.
@@Mint_Condition oh God no. The jokes are straight up garbage. Do you laugh at prinnies saying dood every sentence? No? What if every character is that only? I always go back to disgaea 2. And 3 was horse tranquilizer. Bleh
Start a save file centered around using desco with at least 4 clestial hostesses it's freakin cool I like sliding in a flora beast and an archer, Usalias pretty good for it too and since it's all females you can slide in Axel into the mix with obvious tendency powering him up.
Me: Mom can we have adell and rozalin?
Mom: No, we already have adell and rozalin at home
They really did reuse a lot of ideas left and right.
@@Mint_Condition yeah and they weren't even reused in a way that made them interesting either. It's a shame we haven't gotten any good stories since 2, and i dont know if we still will
@@barrybeakdriver Their other games often have interesting plots, so I think it's more of a fault of Disgaea being drawn out too much. I've heard good things about Labyrinth of Refrain, so It's not like they've given up on writing entirely.
@@Mint_Condition yep labyrinth of refrain is pretty good, havent finished it yet tho, but i think more people oughta give it a shot
Fun review
i dont think the story was that bad. sure cookie cutter but isnt too bad. usalia and red magnus arcs were my favorite part. i say the charater designs are my favorite compared to the other games. i say my only problem with disgaea 5 is that the girlfriend is back and feels it beats the purpose from moving on. the worst part of disgaea 5 IS THAT THERE IS NO FUCKING GHOST CLASS(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Yeah, it really is a shame that they remove series staples here and there each entry. I'm sad they got rid of Skull Mage in D6 myself. His replacement looks lame by comparison.
Also yeah it's pretty lame that the girlfriend comes back. The entire last chapter is the biggest slap in the face. I just can't appreciate anything about the story anymore knowing how it all ends.
I actually like the story of disgaea 5
I'm a bit harsh on it here, but you have to understand that I've beaten the game twice now, so I viewed the story through the lens of someone aware of the post game shenanigans. I liked it my first time through, but the post game leaves a sour taste in my mouth that spoils everything leading up to the climax.
Damn man, your Disgaea reviews are really good, you deserve way more subs
Thank you, thank you.
If youre gonna stop with Disgaea then why bot talk about the other NIS SRPGs that never got a sequel? Like Soul Nomad or La Pucelle Ragnarok?
We'll see. I've got other stuff planned, but life is getting in the way.
@@Mint_Condition Have you tried replaying past levels that had exp geo panels?
Is still don't get who this guy uh is supposed to be.
Uhhh??? hello??? police???
I love your videos, i hope you review the other games too!
new mint condition review lets fucking goooooooooo
I am under the impression 2 is your favourite Disgaea. Which is fine. It's my second most "hated" just behind 6. I still like it a lot.
My point is that if you ask people about their opinions on the series, you will get genuinely oposite responses. So don't hesitate to review 1 or any other Disgaea game. If someone new to the series pick it up, they will either hate it or love it regardless of which game they picked. To us insiders the games might look vastly different story-wise, in terms of mechanics etc. But to outsiders the games wills look really similar and I doubt someone that is prone to liking the series will ditch it just because they played "the wrong entry".
The story on 5 may be dry as jerky left out for a day, but the gameplay is prob the best in Disgaea.
We don’t talk about 6…and maybe potentially 7 too (don’t know how 7 is aside from the horrors coming from 6). ^^;
thank you for respecting my privacy. I still have about 1 hour on disgaea 1 after owning it for months.
I was not referring to you since you are still playing it. I have atleast 2-3 other friends who started months to a year + ago and never finished.
@@Mint_Conditionwell I wouldn't have guessed
you forgot you have to switch the language to japanese and that in all other games you have to turn off voice acting lest half tards who do flones voice and others will rape our ears with near 30 khz sound waves. disgaea 4 had the best story .2 had the only proper alternate story. 1 had the most endings. 5 seems like its got the most broken stat progression. same rarity bonus on gold named items which get thrown at you for going to the hospital or clearing floors on the item world (the reward for clearing in any number of runs x number of floors which all is pre 50 floors mind you) when leveled only to 10 and then used on 1 character give enough to push them to 1k atk. so here i am main story its level 20 somethings against my lvl 40 mc with 1k attack. i should be level 150 or so before i get 1k attack
Picked up Disgaea 1 because I wanted a Strategy game, thought "XCom is pretty cool, maybe I'll try that new Mario Rabbids game." Went to GameStop, was looking for it on the shelf, and I scanned over Disgaea 1 Complete for the switch. I thought "this must be a sign". So I asked the person at the counter if they had any copies of The Mario game. They did. So I grabbed one and went home to play it.
Hated it.
Remembered Disgaea 1 on the shelf.
Opened Steam and bought Disgaea 1 PC.
I'm gonna be honest. I had to force myself through the first 15 hours or so. And thank God for the writing and voice acting.
But eventually, I wanted Flonne to learn some attack spells, and while I was building her up to be a real unit, something clicked, and I actually started enjoying interacting with the games systems. If the sequels lean more into that side of things, I think I'll be pretty happy with them (and I already bought all but 6 and 3 since they were like 5-10 dollars each during the Steam Sale)
So basically Disgaea 5 is the Fire Emblem Engage of the Disgaea series?
No, it's basically the Tear Ring Saga of the series. Under appreciated by fans, a return to form, and a bunch of weird shit and new mechanics going on that are referenced within the plot.
@@Mint_Condition Ah. I see.
How did I just discover this channel? I don't even care if ain't reviews just make videos on Disgaea/Persona and I'm happy
What are you talking about? The story was great You just didn’t pay attention
I paid plenty of attention. I played the game more than once, which meant that I knew how things were gonna turn out. Admittedly this sours the experience for me in a way it wouldn't for someone playing it the first time through. I mention that I enjoyed the story the first time through (for the most part) but the biggest issue is that nothing really matters once you know how it all ends with everything kind of reverted. It's a spit in the face for a game that I thought was ballsy for actually killing characters off for once.
To be fair, i am pretty sure if the old guyd had an full scrren nuke only they could use, everyone would make them.
And then complain they have to make old wrinkly men to clear IW.
7’s pregame is even better than 5, so thankful after a messed up 6.
Funny review. Appreciate it
with the announce of disgaea 7, i do hope 6 is just a testing ground for being the first 3d disgaea game. with the returning with alot of classes and other things , i believe it more but cautiously optimism is always my motto. still THEY GOT GHOST BACK BABY!!!!
I'm trying to stay cautious as well. Obviously I hope the game is good, but they're going to have to win me back after 6.
Ngl for like the first 5 chapters I thought his gf was flonne because of the ribbon only to find out it was a generic village girl who is only slightly less annoying than seraphina
The talk about this game being connected to Disgaea 1 had me wondering if it would tie into Flonne as well if I recall correctly. I don't recall her being annoying though. Maybe because she's not as involved.
A Disgaea 5 meme review in 2021? Awesome.
Awhile ago, I finished Disgaea 1 and 2 end game nonsense and I'm going through 5 now. I watched one of the cutscene compilations of 4 (and 3) though I have zero interest in 4 based on the story.
Nice! Hopefully you enjoy it as much as I did.
Great edits :-D love the one with balance flying out of the window xDD
I've never played Disgaea, but your videos are fun. Keep it up
Best review of Disgaea 5! in my opinion :)
That thumbnail makes me smile.
Yeah, the Sam Hyde shoot out and 4chan jokes just get old, you're definitely catering to a certain group.
That's just my type of humor. These jokes exist outside of 4chan and within some of the other communities I am in/was in as well. It's not like I don't browse the site, infact I will admit to having posted my work there on more than one occassion. But I've also posted my work on Reddit. Am I catering to Reddit too? I wouldn't say I'm catering to anything, as that implies I'm intentionally putting these jokes in for someone else. I'm putting them in for me. I like Sam Hyde's work and I had this real drive to make that scene as it was incredibly accurate to how I actually dealt with Void Dark. I knew it was going in before I even started editing. It was a month long commitment and not some whim I had like "Maybe I'll put this in for 4chan." It's not like I've never posted my stuff there, but I'm not going to make stuff for other people because that's simply not fun. If I cared about catering to people (I assume to get views?) I wouldn't be doing it to 4chan, and I wouldn't be reviewing niche games that most people don't know about.
bruh, i rewatch this a month later and the fact this hasn’t even hit more than 1k is actually criminal.
Yeah, that's pretty typical of my videos lol.
When i saw the flashback were Lion GF dies, my mind went:
Im sorry, i think we've been there before, have we been there before?
-Flashback to Elise death in FE Birthright-
Oh my God we've been there before!
Heck, even their names sound similar.
When doing research I stumbled into a claim that Disgaea 5 rips off multiple anime that I've never seen before. It's possible that they are inspired by/copying the same material.
@@Mint_Condition to be fair to D5, Fire Emblem Fates was released after it. i just found funny how similar both situations were.(including the fact both Killia and Corrin were adopted into the respective families.)
i don't think D5 story is the worst thing ever, heck, the game i mentioned has 5 times worse, but it does reeks of cheesy Fairy Tail trash anime.
(Goldion should cancel Void's Crunchyroll subscription.)
Disgaea 3 Review when?
enjoyed the video, hope youre still enjoying disgaea! any plans to make a video for disgaea 7?
That's a hard maybe. I have to finish up my current video, and I haven't touched that in months lol.
@@Mint_Condition what about now
this is really funny
This vid is straight fire.
This review is a work of art
ok we get it, you're a right winger dude. yikes
lol?
@@Mint_Condition i dontr waana see u or ur kind on my youtube website
@@Mint_Condition boooooooo
@@draydra Sorry for party rocking :)
@@Mint_Condition not fully sure what that means!
Soooooo, 6 sucked?
I didn't enjoy it enough to continue. Some people enjoyed it, but I haven't played it much outside of the streams I did when it released in Japan. There are a lot of positive reviews of it in the english speaking community, which is weird to me because from what I recall the game had some pretty tough critics in Japan, who are normally pretty reserved.
I probably would have liked it more if I played through it all the way, but I would definitely put it on the lower tier of Disgaea games. Potentially even at the bottom.
@@NicktheQuick71 Story stages are also Disgaea 4 huge where it's a slog to move around. The game is practically begging you to use the auto function. It's such a slog to get around.
When you said that the only plot that was worthwhile was 1 and 2, I completely agree with you. NIS seems to always be treading narrative water since Adell and Laharl. I've been playing a lot of Disgaea 7 lately and I don't remember any of the major plot beats, however I do approve of the post game.
What makes you so special that you believe it’s ok for you to say that word?
Well, when I was born there was a certain alignment of the stars. The heavens were parting in anticipation of this event. Millions of years in the making as the perfect arrangement was made, all so that I could be born at this very moment and be born of a certain temperament.. a certain destiny. When I was born the doctor uttered under his breath "star child.." and tried to have me aborted in post. Fortunately, my mother knew better. It had been foretold to her that a boy would be born on "that day" (my birthday) and that he would be able to communicate the language of the ancients, a forbidden tongue which allows natives to speak "those words". Forbidden words which can destroy entire nations at an utterance. Without even expending a spell charge I can cast Power Word: Kill, just because god allowed me to.
I'm late to the party so whatever, but the story isn't as bad as you think. You're not suppose to focus on the surface level like you would watching Fooly Cooly, it's the subtext to it. In reality, the story isn't about getting revenge. It's about understanding that you've made mistakes and to learn from them and move on. For Killia, it was really obvious this is what they were going for. A guy trying to suppress the rage he has inside him and atone for his past, but in the end, he learns to accept who he really is . Void Dark has to accept that he was the one responsible for Lieze's death. Red Magnus has to accept that was responsible for his netherworld's destruction. Gideon had to accept that he failed as a father. This was the whole point to why their overload skills would change, once they came to realize this.
In reality, the enemy cast was introduced as playable because they figured people would want to play as them but it does mostly make sense storywise.
A story is only as good as it's presentation. There's a manga about a guy who's dad had relations with a dog via force and now he wants revenge, and yet even though it is a complete joke it is better at delivering it's moments with a lot more grace than this.
My issue with the story is multiple things all at the same time. It just basically presents things and then does not deliver them, but also does not subvert them well enough for me to consider it good writing or delivery.
People want something to connect to. You can't tease the audience forever and expect it to go over well.
My favorite part of every disgaea game is when you use a multi hit skill and each tick does over a million damage. Oohhhhhh yeaaahhhhh
Disgaea 2 is still the Best ❤
PUKES ON THIS VIDEO
please dont freaking do that PLEASE
LICKS PUKE OFF OF VIDEO AND PUKES ON PERSON WHO INITIALLY PUKED ON VIDEO
thx for the spoilers
You're welcome :)