I've learned more about boots and shoes watching your videos these past 2 days than I knew my entire 72 years! I stopped buying workboots 16 years ago after I retired. They usually hurt my feet and I now know why. I bought them cheaply and just added a pair of Dr. Scholls which had to be replaced every couple of weeks. Now I wear sneakers and casual slip-ons like Sketchers but I choose them more wisely and comfort is always primary.
I admire the fact that traditional companies like Nicks are surviving these days. I wish I could justify getting a pair, Overlander or Robert. They're uniquely beautiful, and we don't need to talk about the workmanship.
The question is how do you justify paying for child labor of the boots you wear. But seriously, if they are as comfy as people say abs they lay as long as people say the the math is easy. Normal good boots $180+. Buy a pair per year or more. Nicks $500 and they last 10 with resoles every other year. So what's that? 150x5+500=1250. So it's 1250 vs 1800. If they last as long as people say. Worth the gamble for me. I'll let you know in ten years. Then come on Wednesday.
Look online for used pairs. I scored a nearly brand new pair of Nick's Ranger boots for $100. They have good information for measuring your foot to insure you pick the proper size boot.
@@richardpatterson4312 Nicks and Whites are quality. I had a pair of Whites I bought in 1999 that I finally retired this year when my new pair of Nicks Builder Pros showed up. I had gotten out of construction and the boots were not worn every day, but I did get a good ten years of use out of them. Last decade they were used around for house projects. I would say if you are going to get a pair you might as well as prices for everything are going up.
Bruh, at this point you’re Nick’s most valuable employee 😂 I’ve exclusively worn red wings for years and now all I can think about is Nick’s construction 😂
I just got interested in boots a few weeks ago and have yet to buy my first pair of red wings (probably next week) and these video's spoil me to the point that all i really want are a pair of nicks or wesco's and i can't afford those lol
I bought a pair of Nicks and they take forever to make a custom boot right now because of the pandemic, it took them 8 months to get mine made, having said that, Nicks boots made my redwing iron rangers look like some cheap flimsy boot, they are tanks and bad ass. Get you some if you are patient, their run of the mill boots should be available quicker
I’ve lived in Spokane all my life and it’s weird that a local boot maker is so famous all of the sudden. It used to be no one outside of our area had ever heard of Nick’s or White’s boots. Yet probably 50% of blue collar workers from 1990-2010 wore to em in Spokane. 2010 is about when I first started hearing murmurs on the internet about Nick’s becoming world renowned. Happy for them
I wish I had seen this video before I bought my redwings. the leather they use in the woman's is super soft and thin and it ripped right open after just a couple jobs, didn't even have em for 6 months. I'm so excited that there is a brand out there that doesn't cheap out on boots just because they are for women!!!! I want these boots to last a lifetime
I got mine a month ago (9/22)and they’re gradually breaking in. Love them! ❤️ 🥾 Edit: update-October 23, 2023 My Ncks moctoes are gradually softening and breaking in after walking many miles behind my lawnmower. Highly recommend these boots.
I know Nick’s wouldn’t be happy with you and I’m not sure if all the makers would pay you but I would really like to see a comparison video between Nick’s, Whites, Frank’s and JK boots.
Oh, that would be awesome and I hear Franks is kind of a spin-off of Nicks but by no means the same company. I think if I understand correctly an employee from nicks started Franks.
@@fredseekingbibleturth Frank used to be Nick's store manager at the old location. When Nick's moved, Frank bought the old store from Nick's and started Frank's boots. Check out Wranglerstar's video on Nick's factory tour and you can see Frank in the video.
I usually do have a problem with 99% of the paid videos on TH-cam because regardless of what they say, you just don’t know if they are truly being objective in their reviews. For the first time in quite a while I have no problem whatsoever with this paid video because as you stated, when you cut a boot in half the way you do (not gonna lie, this one hurt) you can’t hide bias, and all cards are on the table. There are no dirty secrets. I really appreciate this about your videos. I’ve been watching your channel since your second video and there is no mystery to why it has become so popular. You give people something they just can’t get anywhere else. Keep up the great work.
Exactly I got fooled by all the Thorogood videos. Only to find out they all have synthetic welts and midsoles. And two of them in a row were cracked. So it was a huge disappointment but I learned alot through this process. And I am going to do youtube viideow where I take uppers and get them resoled into custom boots. Lots of opportuinities here.
I have learned a ton from all the videos that have been done through moctober. Nick's just seem to be the absolute beasts of boots. I am just a not a fan of lace-up boots. I would absolutely love to see a whole series like moctober, dedicated to the classic Chelsea. I would love to see a boot maker like Nick's even take on the classic Chelsea.
You are one of the channels responsible for getting me hooked on Nick's. I've been wearing a pair of builder pros for about half a year now. No regrets, their awesome.
Your channel and this series has been great! I became a boot connoisseur early this year when i had to replace my work boots, Ive since been on a journey to find the best boots for my style work! Gonna have to buy a pair of Nicks now for sure! I was debating ordering a pair of the Whites Moc toe but heard some things that made me wait.
I just bought me a pair of Nicks Boots - 8" Traveler Wickett & Craig Double Stuff Burgundy w/ wedge and your review of this Moc Toe had a hand in it. Not that there aren't many videos on YT expounding the quality of NB's, but your break down layer by layer was comprehensive and useful. Thanks for your videos, they're helpful.
Heck yeah! Been wanting these for years! I'm a moc toe boot guy to the core. I have the first pair of 1964 roughout boots Nicks made and love them. I can't wait to get my pair of moc toes in 1964 RO!
Nick’s are great construction. But I prefer my Thorogoods price, color and toe box and I like the comfortable leather sock feel if you want to call it that.
I agree with you too bro its the best moctoe boots ive ever seen after mctoe redwing, specialy front shape lasting, and new vibram outsole looks more thick but still gorgeous. I'm really wanna cry when you cut that beautiful boots. Keep up good work bro cheers already love your channel, still waiting for next videos specially cutting dress shoes/boots and Indonesian boots makers.
This was the scariest episode of Moctober. I almost fainted watching that beautiful boot get murdered, but the cross section has once again payed for itself by showing the superior construction methods.
I agree, when I first started watching these videos it would make me sick to my stomach watching high quality boots be destroyed, but it is what the people want/click, sooooo....
Well after watching your video…. I didn’t want to prove you wrong, I wanted to buy some. Never thought I would be spending that kind of money on boots but here I go. Now the waiting is the hardest part. Thank you kindly!
Funny…About 2 weeks ago I emailed nicks asking if they would ever develop a moc toe since it was a big hole in their lineup. They emailed me back saying they had no plans….thankfully they lied to me 😂
Knicks boots are definitely top tier. Red wings lasted me half a work season. I’m 2 work seasons in and my knicks are still strong. Don’t cure or treat them either. I’m a concrete curb guy so they’re always in concrete, was in 16” deep today with some knicks boots instead of concrete boots and they held up but I didn’t for one second doubt them. Worth every penny
I used to live in Spokane and a lot of guys swore by Nicks and Whites boots but back then they mostly did the logger style which isn’t my thing but now I really want to try these moc toes they both make. I usually get thorogoods. I’ve never been disappointed and they’re super comfortable day 1. I’ve never been much impressed with red wings, too stiff and uncomfortable for me
I've sworn by Thorogood for years now, but I just realized Nick's makes a moc toe , and am really tempted to try them out. Did you grab a pair, by chance?
I think it may be a bit easier to cut through all these boots with a band saw blade that has less teeth and a bigger gullet. The heat is created when there isn’t enough space in the gullets to remove the saw dust quickly enough. At least that’s how it works in woodworking 👍🏼
I bought a pair of Nick's Heritage Moc Toe, and they are every bit worth the hype. The boot fit is incredible, wear them over any shoe, and feel just as good from the start of the day until taking them off before bed. The cost makes you doubt your first time, especially considering the 6-month wait, but the material and fit construction are professional, making them a great investment. I kid you not I contacted Nick's after purchase to thank them.
To me the single piece vamp looks almost dressy. I really prefer the "clown shoe" look of the red wings more. Not sure if that is a bias from growing up around them, but I just think they look tough.
@@marzcapone9939 Nice! How do they compare to thorogoods? I almost bought the Whites when they were on sale this summer. But decided to get a pair of Franks instead.
@@KeystoneOutdoorsman I have two pairs of Thorogoods, size 9 and a 9 1/2. Neither fit me very well, and I need a thicker insole in everything I wear. Plus, they are steel toe, need them at work. The 9 1/2, in RW and Whites fit me. The RW is tighter, has taken forever to break in. The leather of the Whites is more flexible and they are sized "looser". The RW's insole is stiff so I can only wear them for a few hours, I could wear the Perry's all day and forget I'm wearing them. I do admit, I don't wear either very often, don't guess any of us have been doing much since C19 has been around.
I had some great work boots that were hard to break in .On my 3rd pair ,first day at work ,in the morning ,my boots got wet,very wet ,had to where them all day..Day 2 BEST boots ever.4th pair ,put them on and stood in a bucket of water .End of day BEST boots ever..
You should do a video on socks as I feel often times they are over looked, as if your spending $300+ on boots I recon you should be buying quality socks to accompany them but I wanna see what you recommend as there's a lot out there like bamboo, merino, alpaca, synthetic and so on but what are your go to socks
Ur review was spot on and I just took possession of my this exact boot only I went 8inch. W/O a doubt the best moc I've ever seen or tried, bar non!!! Best decision I've made to cough up on these...bordering on spiritual when I opened the box. Byw I can't say enough about how great nivjs customer service was,I heard they may have had issues in past but id say they've resolved that. Above and beyond helpful.
It's nice and all but I think Whites Perry is a better deal 1) shorter break in time 2) half the price 3) it's better build than any $350 or less moc toes boot finally for over $500 I'm better off with a pair of Nicks Builder Pro. 👌
I feel ya. Whites are also made in Spokane too! But for a me, a moc toe isnt a 300 dollar boot (The whites perry price) and if im paying 500+ for a Nicks, im getting an MTO boot of some sort like a builder pro or Americana. Not doubting the build quality at all, but 500+ for a moc is a hard sell in a market of good Moc toes for less than half price!
I have a pair of these 14D 8inch and a pair of 14EE 8inch thorogoods. Once these are broken in they are 100% better love these boots definitely worth the wait for handcrafted boots.
Fantastic video. Yes $500.00 plus boots are high but think about the quality and craftsmanship you get. Nick's has some great videos of their process and once you see all the hands that touch these boots you get a different prospective of the quality your buying. Me personally I don't put a price on my feet, remember you get what you pay for. Awsome job Nick's.
Looks like an awesome boot for sure. I like that thickness of leather (and color). Now, for my completely unsolicitied opinion lol, 500+ for an old school work style like a moc toe seems steep, though I do like that 270 stitchdown welt (haven't seen that in a moc toe before!). If I am paying 450-500+ for nicks, I'm getting an MTO heritage boot. Hard to see the value in a moc for 500+ when you could get a Whites Perry made up the street for half the price. But like I said, my unsolicited opinion lol. just for a moc toe wedge seems pricey, and for the other sole options I would go MTO. But as always, Rose_Anvil kills it, and makes another awesome video. Thank you Rose Anvil and thank you Nicks for continuing to make killer stuff!
@@ES-qe1nh It’s always the, “ I have a lifted work truck, but it never sees a dirt road.. I need a 500+ pair of work boots, but works at Starbucks, guy.” SMH.. price doesn’t determine quality at all
@@ES-qe1nh What are you 12-13.. flipped a couple burgers after school eh.. mowing the yard doesn’t make you a working man kiddo. I get it though, in today’s society, everyone wants a participation trophy. So, I’m guessing 18 years on oil rigs in North Dakota is the equivalent of you taking my order at Burger King huh..
Serious question: All the Nicks boots you've reviewed have a long 'break in' period (especially these Moc-Toe boots). Surely it can't be good for your feet to be in agony for 200 hours of wear time before they fit correctly?
Usually you want to break them in slowly. Either wear them every other day with an old pair of boots or even wear them for half a day then old boots for the other half.
So, the thing with custom boots is, they fit immediately. Unlike with production boots, where the break-in is partially about the leather stretching and molding to fit your toes and heel, those areas fit great out of the box in custom boots. What they lack is flexibility. They don't yet bend where you bend, and it takes awhile for that to happen. The ankles do need to form, too, and the folded tongues need to flatten out. But, if you stood still in them all day, they'd feel amazing. They just wouldn't break in. Movement does that.
I’m reference to the soles wedge vs heavy lug. I always found I would BURN through the redwing lugs soles like no tomorrow probably 4-5 months and there’s absolutely no tread left but the MAXwear wedge on my thorogoods usually last almost a full year till they start becoming ice skates. Maybe that’s just me I don’t know.
@@thevtadventure1062 I guess I forgot that Nick's doesn't seem as willing to go off menu on leather type. So yeah, lots of possibilities with leather type & color I guess. I was thinking design, and I just couldn't think of anything to amend or add considering the dole/heel choices already offered.
I’m in the process of breaking in some 875’s and judging by how tough these are to break in, I couldn’t imagine the agony of a 200 hour commitment. That’s longer than I dated most girls back in my teenage years, lol! They may have more leather but I think the 875’s are a better looking shoe and for casual wear plenty tough enough!
I guess I am more of a traditional boot guy. I have 1000 miles, iron rangers, builder pros and ND1s, etc. I don’t understand the rational for a moc toe boot. Ignoring my personal opinion that I don’t like how they look, is there some functional reason they are popular? Or is it pure aesthetics?
There really is no point to single piece moc toes except looks. Two pice ones tend to have a taller toe box and are cheaper/more efficient to make because they require only smaller pieces of leather. I‘m not a huge fan either, but some do look classy.
Wow....I am not a moc toe boot fan and have never felt motivated to get one despite knowing that a wedged sole boot would be more comfortable than my preferred lug soles in a warehouse workplace. However, after watching this video, I'm starting to feel motivated to give these moc toes a try.
if you dont like moc toes JK has a similar boot called the forefront and Nicks has the traveller. I opted for JK forefronts they were about 100 cheaper and easire to break in, made in spokane near Nicks
I'm puzzled as to why Nick's thinks the 2021 is harder wearing than the Christy. Vibram bills the 2021 as a "casual" sole whereas they describe the Christy as a work sole.
I found a pair of these at Goodwill today for $7.99. The Nicks tag was ripped off so I didn't know what they were but I could tell by the feel and smell of the leather and the quality of construction that they were the highest quality pair of boots Id ever com across.
I’m the toughest customer ever. Afflicted with Engineering and very high performance expectations. To that end Nick’s boots have exceeded my expectations. Might have to now get me a pair of these as well. Stop making these awesome videos you’re killing my boot budget haha.
I knew you would love Nick's boots , if you look back in your comments , back when you just started me and couple other peps told you to review Nicks Glad you did great boots!!!!
well, danner isn't paying are they? /s (or maybe not, i havent decided yet) or maybe it has to do with the leather liner adding water resistance, which was the negative with stitch down, and he just forgot to mention it.
It's to do with the leather. Nick's are just better quality than danner. The danner mocs are some of the thinnest moc toes he's cut apart. Nick's are stitching down into about 7mm of highest graded leather. The danners can't compete with that kind of construction.
I‘ve got one gripe with these. Stitch down in this price category is a bad idea with a soft wedge sole. Every time the boots get resoled the edges get sanded - and with a stitch down there is only so much material to sand away until the upper is ruined. Long lasting soles like the super heavy duty Vibram lug sole they normally use are a much better choice.
Yeah this is my main issue with stitchdown too. However, Nicks offers a rebuild(not just resole) service where they replace the entire vamp and counter leather using the exact same leather as the original on the same last. This means that essentially you can replace the "welt" on one of these boots if it is ground down too much.
Please, two questions: 1. Do these have a wider or more narrow toe box compared to Whites Perry's? 2. Are these Nik's more comfortable than Whites Perry after a while or not necessarily?
As always, a great video that gives boot nerds like me the information necessary to make informed buying decisions. I also want to thank you generally for the approach that you take in all of your videos. You deal in facts, and show the viewer the actual boot construction, not just describe it (which I've never found very helpful). I'm an old man now but I still vividly remember loving my grandfather's moc toe hunting boots and wishing they fit me. This email has motivated me to create a pair of boots that my grandson will wear some day. Keep up the great work Weston!
@@ImDudePlayinADude I have. The first set cam after 6 months which was only a bit after the lead time they predicted. BUT they built the boot on the wrong size last. They are fixing it for free but now the leather is back ordered. Which is understandable but it’s still frustrating.
I’m not a fan of the look of this boot. I prefer the wedge bottoms to be flat against ground but nicks boots always have that high arch look. Great quality though.
I’m sure it’s been answered before, but besides aesthetics, are there any advantages or practical reasons for a Moc toe compared to a standard toe box? Thanks for another great video.
Great video. Love my Nicks Falcons. Yes, it takes time to break them in. Then they fit your feet as opposed to a generic foot. These moc toe boots look great. The toe looks reminiscent of the Alden Indy. Great that they come in foam or lug soles.
I agree. My two pair of Redwing moctoes have been stunning. They’ll last a lifetime. I’ll blow Nicks/Whites money on the boots that Redwing doesn’t make.
I climb ladders a lot and am liking the metal shank in the whites moctoe. I’m wondering how that leather shank compares. It doesn’t seem like it would provide the same level of support. I love the look of these but maybe if I got these I wouldn’t wear them for work.
These look like absolute beasts, but I will take you up on that challenge and say that in my opinion, the Alden indy is the best moc toe boot you can buy.
Its sucks people think this. You really have no idea what you are missing with these types of boots. Ive had a pair of nicks for over 4 years and they will last so much longer then that. 200 hours really is nothing if you live in boots like I do. There really is nothing like them.
To break in a pair of brand new really stiff boots, here's what I do. Smear liberally the whole leather with dubbin. (Remove the laces first) Place the boots outside in the sun for at least 15-30 mins. Repeat the process. Let the boots cool down from the heat of the sun. Lace up the boots, put them on and start walking them in. The idea of the dubbin is to soak into the leather, to soften it and make it more pliable. I've done this with Rossi, Blundstone and Taipan work boots (no longer made).
These look sick, great video. Im really glad they got you the boot by the end of moctober. Any idea if the sole construction of these is the same as the Wedge Worker? Ive got my eye on the Tan Roughout ones for some years down the road when i can spend $470 on excellent boots.
I've never totally understood the love for Moc-toes.... Sometimes I think it has to do with allowing a taller more squared toe box for toe room, but these Nick's don't have that. So it is really just an extra stitch? Which makes it ornamental? Or does that stitch help keep toe box structure without celastic? I also wonder if it is often more the comfortable sole they are generally attrached to more so than the actual Moc-toe? One thing I definitely understand about it is that it was an easy design to make long ago so it was a logical evolution for the Indians to come to & stick with. I have definitely really liked my moc-toe boat shoes over the years. If it is a looks thing I just don't personally like the look.
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I wish my current boots weren't so far from end of life so I could justify getting these. I bought the Whites moc toe last Dec and they are still like new. They probably have another couple of months before they even need to be resoled for the first time. I have an old pair of waterproof Thorogoods as my backup that have at least one resole left in them (4th) before they are dead, but they will need the welt replaced.
You never mention the eyelets on any boots. These look extra durable. I’ve had an eyelet or two pop loose and I often bend the speed lace hooks coming down on extension ladders. When they get bent it becomes dangerous and they get weaker every time you bend them back.
Just ordered my first pair of nicks, went with the moc safety toe with composite toe, 1964 brown leather and 2021 sand wedge. Haven’t see any people review the safety toe version so we’ll see how they go
How they holding up after 1 year? I have a problem burning up soles in 5 to 9 months if I wait anylonger they won’t resole them. I want a pair of these if I could just stop the wife from buying a new pair of heels every other month!
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Are these boots called the traveler? On the website the traveler is not Moc toe
A bit generous on that Cut Center Score 😉
Thank you. I was thinking the same thing.
I usually find their Center Cut Score to be too low, this one was way too high
not to sound dumb but I do not exactly know what the score even means.
@@fredseekingbibleturth A cut center score scores how centered the cut is. quite obvious imo.
Are all your boots waterproof? @Nicks Handmade Boots.
I've learned more about boots and shoes watching your videos these past 2 days than I knew my entire 72 years! I stopped buying workboots 16 years ago after I retired. They usually hurt my feet and I now know why. I bought them cheaply and just added a pair of Dr. Scholls which had to be replaced every couple of weeks. Now I wear sneakers and casual slip-ons like Sketchers but I choose them more wisely and comfort is always primary.
I love how every time Nick's comes up with a problem the solution is MORE LEATHER lol love it
It's the best solution lol
More leather is to boots, as more cowbell is to rock music. More is always better.
@@mcmlxv9827 exactly
There’s nothing that more leather and cow bells can not fix
I love the smell of more leather in the morning almost as much as Spam
I admire the fact that traditional companies like Nicks are surviving these days. I wish I could justify getting a pair, Overlander or Robert. They're uniquely beautiful, and we don't need to talk about the workmanship.
The question is how do you justify paying for child labor of the boots you wear.
But seriously, if they are as comfy as people say abs they lay as long as people say the the math is easy.
Normal good boots $180+. Buy a pair per year or more.
Nicks $500 and they last 10 with resoles every other year.
So what's that? 150x5+500=1250.
So it's 1250 vs 1800.
If they last as long as people say. Worth the gamble for me. I'll let you know in ten years. Then come on Wednesday.
Look online for used pairs. I scored a nearly brand new pair of Nick's Ranger boots for $100. They have good information for measuring your foot to insure you pick the proper size boot.
@@richardpatterson4312 they’re pretty comfortable as far as boots go, but they have zero shock absorption which fucks up my knees.
@@richardpatterson4312 Nicks and Whites are quality. I had a pair of Whites I bought in 1999 that I finally retired this year when my new pair of Nicks Builder Pros showed up. I had gotten out of construction and the boots were not worn every day, but I did get a good ten years of use out of them. Last decade they were used around for house projects. I would say if you are going to get a pair you might as well as prices for everything are going up.
@@richardpatterson4312 u could buy two red wings with his price. Made in the USA
Bruh, at this point you’re Nick’s most valuable employee 😂 I’ve exclusively worn red wings for years and now all I can think about is Nick’s construction 😂
Same...
I just got interested in boots a few weeks ago and have yet to buy my first pair of red wings (probably next week) and these video's spoil me to the point that all i really want are a pair of nicks or wesco's and i can't afford those lol
I bought a pair of Nicks and they take forever to make a custom boot right now because of the pandemic, it took them 8 months to get mine made, having said that, Nicks boots made my redwing iron rangers look like some cheap flimsy boot, they are tanks and bad ass. Get you some if you are patient, their run of the mill boots should be available quicker
Buy a pair of Whites Perry in stead of Red Wing. If you like the moc toe look, you get more value than i.e Red Wing moc toe. Similar prices.
The guy who can use the ancient sewing machine is their most valuable employee.
I’ve lived in Spokane all my life and it’s weird that a local boot maker is so famous all of the sudden. It used to be no one outside of our area had ever heard of Nick’s or White’s boots. Yet probably 50% of blue collar workers from 1990-2010 wore to em in Spokane. 2010 is about when I first started hearing murmurs on the internet about Nick’s becoming world renowned. Happy for them
I wish I had seen this video before I bought my redwings. the leather they use in the woman's is super soft and thin and it ripped right open after just a couple jobs, didn't even have em for 6 months. I'm so excited that there is a brand out there that doesn't cheap out on boots just because they are for women!!!! I want these boots to last a lifetime
I got mine a month ago (9/22)and they’re gradually breaking in. Love them! ❤️ 🥾
Edit: update-October 23, 2023
My Ncks moctoes are gradually softening and breaking in after walking many miles behind my lawnmower. Highly recommend these boots.
I know Nick’s wouldn’t be happy with you and I’m not sure if all the makers would pay you but I would really like to see a comparison video between Nick’s, Whites, Frank’s and JK boots.
Oh, that would be awesome and I hear Franks is kind of a spin-off of Nicks but by no means the same company. I think if I understand correctly an employee from nicks started Franks.
@@fredseekingbibleturth and I think an employee of White's started Nick's.
@@fredseekingbibleturth Frank used to be Nick's store manager at the old location. When Nick's moved, Frank bought the old store from Nick's and started Frank's boots. Check out Wranglerstar's video on Nick's factory tour and you can see Frank in the video.
I hope he does
I would love to see this!
I usually do have a problem with 99% of the paid videos on TH-cam because regardless of what they say, you just don’t know if they are truly being objective in their reviews. For the first time in quite a while I have no problem whatsoever with this paid video because as you stated, when you cut a boot in half the way you do (not gonna lie, this one hurt) you can’t hide bias, and all cards are on the table. There are no dirty secrets. I really appreciate this about your videos. I’ve been watching your channel since your second video and there is no mystery to why it has become so popular. You give people something they just can’t get anywhere else. Keep up the great work.
Exactly I got fooled by all the Thorogood videos. Only to find out they all have synthetic welts and midsoles. And two of them in a row were cracked. So it was a huge disappointment but I learned alot through this process. And I am going to do youtube viideow where I take uppers and get them resoled into custom boots. Lots of opportuinities here.
Waaaaant. Now this is on top of my list. I love moctoes. I love my Builder Pros more. I am excited to merge the two.
I have learned a ton from all the videos that have been done through moctober. Nick's just seem to be the absolute beasts of boots. I am just a not a fan of lace-up boots. I would absolutely love to see a whole series like moctober, dedicated to the classic Chelsea. I would love to see a boot maker like Nick's even take on the classic Chelsea.
They probably wont
They make a Chelsea boot now lol.
You are one of the channels responsible for getting me hooked on Nick's. I've been wearing a pair of builder pros for about half a year now. No regrets, their awesome.
Your channel and this series has been great! I became a boot connoisseur early this year when i had to replace my work boots, Ive since been on a journey to find the best boots for my style work! Gonna have to buy a pair of Nicks now for sure! I was debating ordering a pair of the Whites Moc toe but heard some things that made me wait.
I just bought me a pair of Nicks Boots - 8" Traveler Wickett & Craig Double Stuff Burgundy w/ wedge and your review of this Moc Toe had a hand in it. Not that there aren't many videos on YT expounding the quality of NB's, but your break down layer by layer was comprehensive and useful. Thanks for your videos, they're helpful.
I’ve been waiting years for Nicks to drop a moc toe and this feels like an early Christmas. Very well done!!
Heck yeah! Been wanting these for years! I'm a moc toe boot guy to the core. I have the first pair of 1964 roughout boots Nicks made and love them. I can't wait to get my pair of moc toes in 1964 RO!
Just ordered mine last month 🙌🏼
Nick’s are great construction. But I prefer my Thorogoods price, color and toe box and I like the comfortable leather sock feel if you want to call it that.
I agree. I love my thorogoods as well. And I must have steel toes in my work.....where are they otherwise?
I agree with you too bro its the best moctoe boots ive ever seen after mctoe redwing, specialy front shape lasting, and new vibram outsole looks more thick but still gorgeous. I'm really wanna cry when you cut that beautiful boots.
Keep up good work bro cheers already love your channel, still waiting for next videos specially cutting dress shoes/boots and Indonesian boots makers.
This was the scariest episode of Moctober. I almost fainted watching that beautiful boot get murdered, but the cross section has once again payed for itself by showing the superior construction methods.
I agree, when I first started watching these videos it would make me sick to my stomach watching high quality boots be destroyed, but it is what the people want/click, sooooo....
@@wb3550 he’s the boot destroyer version of WhistlinDiesel lol
I LOVE THESE VIDEOS...BEFORE YOU WENT IN BUYING STUFF BLIND...NOW WITH THESE VIDEOS YOU ABSOLUTELY ARE ARMED WITH INFORMATION..AWESOME!!!!
Damn, this one hurt. That first slice through the tongue hit home for a Nick’s Fan 💔
Well after watching your video…. I didn’t want to prove you wrong, I wanted to buy some. Never thought I would be spending that kind of money on boots but here I go. Now the waiting is the hardest part. Thank you kindly!
Funny…About 2 weeks ago I emailed nicks asking if they would ever develop a moc toe since it was a big hole in their lineup. They emailed me back saying they had no plans….thankfully they lied to me 😂
Knicks boots are definitely top tier. Red wings lasted me half a work season. I’m 2 work seasons in and my knicks are still strong. Don’t cure or treat them either. I’m a concrete curb guy so they’re always in concrete, was in 16” deep today with some knicks boots instead of concrete boots and they held up but I didn’t for one second doubt them. Worth every penny
It hurt seeing those cut in half, especially after watching nicks new video on how they're made....
I used to live in Spokane and a lot of guys swore by Nicks and Whites boots but back then they mostly did the logger style which isn’t my thing but now I really want to try these moc toes they both make. I usually get thorogoods. I’ve never been disappointed and they’re super comfortable day 1. I’ve never been much impressed with red wings, too stiff and uncomfortable for me
I've sworn by Thorogood for years now, but I just realized Nick's makes a moc toe , and am really tempted to try them out.
Did you grab a pair, by chance?
@@weirdmood8102 not yet, got another pair thorogoods and Danners moc toe
I think it may be a bit easier to cut through all these boots with a band saw blade that has less teeth and a bigger gullet. The heat is created when there isn’t enough space in the gullets to remove the saw dust quickly enough. At least that’s how it works in woodworking 👍🏼
I bought a pair of Nick's Heritage Moc Toe, and they are every bit worth the hype. The boot fit is incredible, wear them over any shoe, and feel just as good from the start of the day until taking them off before bed. The cost makes you doubt your first time, especially considering the 6-month wait, but the material and fit construction are professional, making them a great investment. I kid you not I contacted Nick's after purchase to thank them.
Is it just me that feels more comfortable seeing him cut the sponsored boots in half rather than his own boots like in his earlier videos.
Just ordered me a pair of Nick's Heritage Moc Toes in 1964 Brown with the medium Arch and Honey V100 Vibram soles. Can't wait!
I'm super happy to see a moc toe available. So so so! Stoked. Hopefully they'll do rebuilds on my redwing's later on down the line.
This is a dream come true honestly!! Wishing Nicks to do a Moctoe for several time and now I will get one
To me the single piece vamp looks almost dressy. I really prefer the "clown shoe" look of the red wings more. Not sure if that is a bias from growing up around them, but I just think they look tough.
Exactly.. tough like it was born on the land of lumberjacks!
Agree bro. These don't attract me. I like Nicks but i really think these are ugly
My thoughts exactly!
I'm a big fan of the single piece vamp. These are much nicer single piece than say Alden Indy where they don't even make a true moc
The sweep of the toe box would be a better descriptor
Love to watch people talk about topics that they have a great passion for...Great Vid....
Huge shout out to nicks for getting this boot done for moctober !
You just sold me on these. Can't wait for the next video!
As you mentioned, my Redwing moctoe boots split at the toe stitching area
I currently have Thorogoods. I think Redwings or whites perry would be my next moc toe pick.
I have all three, the Redwing are much harder on my soles. I've loved the Perry right out of the box.
@@marzcapone9939 Nice! How do they compare to thorogoods? I almost bought the Whites when they were on sale this summer. But decided to get a pair of Franks instead.
@@KeystoneOutdoorsman I have two pairs of Thorogoods, size 9 and a 9 1/2. Neither fit me very well, and I need a thicker insole in everything I wear. Plus, they are steel toe, need them at work.
The 9 1/2, in RW and Whites fit me. The RW is tighter, has taken forever to break in. The leather of the Whites is more flexible and they are sized "looser". The RW's insole is stiff so I can only wear them for a few hours, I could wear the Perry's all day and forget I'm wearing them.
I do admit, I don't wear either very often, don't guess any of us have been doing much since C19 has been around.
really good looking boots too. They understand construction but also aesthetics which is impressive.
I don't think of it as exactly a moc toe, and it's crazy pricey, but I'd love to see an Alden Indy cut in half. Maybe start a GoFundMe to pay for it
I had some great work boots that were hard to break in .On my 3rd pair ,first day at work ,in the morning ,my boots got wet,very wet ,had to where them all day..Day 2 BEST boots ever.4th pair ,put them on and stood in a bucket of water .End of day BEST boots ever..
You should do a video on socks as I feel often times they are over looked, as if your spending $300+ on boots I recon you should be buying quality socks to accompany them but I wanna see what you recommend as there's a lot out there like bamboo, merino, alpaca, synthetic and so on but what are your go to socks
Socktober?
Darn tough or gtfo
Darn tough all the way
@@gprime3702Toevember?
@@ligitmuffin Golf claps
I’ve been wearing danner bullruns for a year and a half. This helped me make my decision for my next pair of boots. Thanks!
Damn those so look good. Doesn't matter if they paid you bro. Can't hide things when you cut them in half anyways.
Ur review was spot on and I just took possession of my this exact boot only I went 8inch. W/O a doubt the best moc I've ever seen or tried, bar non!!! Best decision I've made to cough up on these...bordering on spiritual when I opened the box. Byw I can't say enough about how great nivjs customer service was,I heard they may have had issues in past but id say they've resolved that. Above and beyond helpful.
I'm going to definitely save up for these when my redwings finally bite the dust.
How old are your redwings mine are 6 months old and I'm still braking them in
@@Jv19979 mine are about the same and iam in the same boat. I actually want to get outlander moc toe.
Would the Nick's be easier/faster to break in?
@@Elazarko I have never had a pair of nicks but I don’t think so. The leather is much thicker.
u could buy two red wings
I've had a pair of these for a week now and...WOW. Love 'em
It's nice and all but I think Whites Perry is a better deal 1) shorter break in time 2) half the price 3) it's better build than any $350 or less moc toes boot finally for over $500 I'm better off with a pair of Nicks Builder Pro. 👌
I feel ya. Whites are also made in Spokane too! But for a me, a moc toe isnt a 300 dollar boot (The whites perry price) and if im paying 500+ for a Nicks, im getting an MTO boot of some sort like a builder pro or Americana. Not doubting the build quality at all, but 500+ for a moc is a hard sell in a market of good Moc toes for less than half price!
I have a pair of these 14D 8inch and a pair of 14EE 8inch thorogoods. Once these are broken in they are 100% better love these boots definitely worth the wait for handcrafted boots.
Love the video's, keep up the good work. The more Nick's Boots the better!
Fantastic video. Yes $500.00 plus boots are high but think about the quality and craftsmanship you get. Nick's has some great videos of their process and once you see all the hands that touch these boots you get a different prospective of the quality your buying. Me personally I don't put a price on my feet, remember you get what you pay for. Awsome job Nick's.
I'm not going to lie, it hurts to see you cut these in half!
I'd love to see you break down the Grant Stone Brass boot. It's also a moc toe and feels SUBSTANTIAL. I have a pair and they're my current favorites.
Looks like an awesome boot for sure. I like that thickness of leather (and color). Now, for my completely unsolicitied opinion lol, 500+ for an old school work style like a moc toe seems steep, though I do like that 270 stitchdown welt (haven't seen that in a moc toe before!). If I am paying 450-500+ for nicks, I'm getting an MTO heritage boot. Hard to see the value in a moc for 500+ when you could get a Whites Perry made up the street for half the price.
But like I said, my unsolicited opinion lol. just for a moc toe wedge seems pricey, and for the other sole options I would go MTO. But as always, Rose_Anvil kills it, and makes another awesome video. Thank you Rose Anvil and thank you Nicks for continuing to make killer stuff!
Whites Perry are not comparable.
@@ES-qe1nh It’s always the, “ I have a lifted work truck, but it never sees a dirt road.. I need a 500+ pair of work boots, but works at Starbucks, guy.” SMH.. price doesn’t determine quality at all
@@MOST415 yes it fucking does. You saying that proves you have no clue about workwear
@@ES-qe1nh What are you 12-13.. flipped a couple burgers after school eh.. mowing the yard doesn’t make you a working man kiddo. I get it though, in today’s society, everyone wants a participation trophy. So, I’m guessing 18 years on oil rigs in North Dakota is the equivalent of you taking my order at Burger King huh..
Yall are lame
QUESTION 🙋♂️ the mid sole and upper leather without stitching, will it last ? Compared to Red Wing moc toe is 360 stitches
Serious question: All the Nicks boots you've reviewed have a long 'break in' period (especially these Moc-Toe boots). Surely it can't be good for your feet to be in agony for 200 hours of wear time before they fit correctly?
Usually you want to break them in slowly. Either wear them every other day with an old pair of boots or even wear them for half a day then old boots for the other half.
If you follow the break in instructions they arent agony at all
So, the thing with custom boots is, they fit immediately. Unlike with production boots, where the break-in is partially about the leather stretching and molding to fit your toes and heel, those areas fit great out of the box in custom boots. What they lack is flexibility. They don't yet bend where you bend, and it takes awhile for that to happen. The ankles do need to form, too, and the folded tongues need to flatten out. But, if you stood still in them all day, they'd feel amazing. They just wouldn't break in. Movement does that.
These don't break in slowly because of their sole
@daniel hamilton two sets anyways. 200 hours is not accurate for these as they have a soft wedge sole
I’m reference to the soles wedge vs heavy lug. I always found I would BURN through the redwing lugs soles like no tomorrow probably 4-5 months and there’s absolutely no tread left but the MAXwear wedge on my thorogoods usually last almost a full year till they start becoming ice skates. Maybe that’s just me I don’t know.
God damn could you imagine a Nick’s/ ROse Anvil Moctoe collab. You should definitely do one for next year! 👊🏼🦅🇺🇸
What would you be collaborating???
What do you think Weston could come up with to improve what they are doing?
@@jeffmitchell72 Collaboration with design, color, leathers. Same thing they did with the other collab.
@@thevtadventure1062 I guess I forgot that Nick's doesn't seem as willing to go off menu on leather type. So yeah, lots of possibilities with leather type & color I guess.
I was thinking design, and I just couldn't think of anything to amend or add considering the dole/heel choices already offered.
@@jeffmitchell72 yeah their craftsmanship/design/quality is awesome but a limited run with some one off colors and leather would be awesome
I’m in the process of breaking in some 875’s and judging by how tough these are to break in, I couldn’t imagine the agony of a 200 hour commitment. That’s longer than I dated most girls back in my teenage years, lol! They may have more leather but I think the 875’s are a better looking shoe and for casual wear plenty tough enough!
I guess I am more of a traditional boot guy. I have 1000 miles, iron rangers, builder pros and ND1s, etc.
I don’t understand the rational for a moc toe boot. Ignoring my personal opinion that I don’t like how they look, is there some functional reason they are popular? Or is it pure aesthetics?
For me it’s for the typically larger or taller toe box - I like non mocs as well but tend to gravitate to mocs for the toe box room.
There really is no point to single piece moc toes except looks.
Two pice ones tend to have a taller toe box and are cheaper/more efficient to make because they require only smaller pieces of leather.
I‘m not a huge fan either, but some do look classy.
I don't get it either. I think it's heinous.
However, this is the best looking one I've seen.
@@jboggs ok I can see that for fit. I have more narrow feet but toe box room makes sense.
Wow....I am not a moc toe boot fan and have never felt motivated to get one despite knowing that a wedged sole boot would be more comfortable than my preferred lug soles in a warehouse workplace. However, after watching this video, I'm starting to feel motivated to give these moc toes a try.
if you dont like moc toes JK has a similar boot called the forefront and Nicks has the traveller. I opted for JK forefronts they were about 100 cheaper and easire to break in, made in spokane near Nicks
I was like you. Then I tried the wedge sole, and they are really comftable in urban concrete environment
I'm puzzled as to why Nick's thinks the 2021 is harder wearing than the Christy. Vibram bills the 2021 as a "casual" sole whereas they describe the Christy as a work sole.
I dislike the 2021. They wear out fast.
I found a pair of these at Goodwill today for $7.99. The Nicks tag was ripped off so I didn't know what they were but I could tell by the feel and smell of the leather and the quality of construction that they were the highest quality pair of boots Id ever com across.
I’m the toughest customer ever. Afflicted with Engineering and very high performance expectations. To that end Nick’s boots have exceeded my expectations. Might have to now get me a pair of these as well. Stop making these awesome videos you’re killing my boot budget haha.
I knew you would love Nick's boots , if you look back in your comments , back when you just started me and couple other peps told you to review Nicks
Glad you did great boots!!!!
Why when danner uses stitch down construction it’s a demerit but when nicks does it, the boot is perfect and solves all problems?
The amount of material left on the welt most likely. The danners probably don't have as much leather left past the stitching.
well, danner isn't paying are they? /s (or maybe not, i havent decided yet)
or maybe it has to do with the leather liner adding water resistance, which was the negative with stitch down, and he just forgot to mention it.
It's to do with the leather. Nick's are just better quality than danner. The danner mocs are some of the thinnest moc toes he's cut apart. Nick's are stitching down into about 7mm of highest graded leather. The danners can't compete with that kind of construction.
I like the look of these compared to other moc toes… I like how low profile they are compared to the higher toes
I‘ve got one gripe with these. Stitch down in this price category is a bad idea with a soft wedge sole. Every time the boots get resoled the edges get sanded - and with a stitch down there is only so much material to sand away until the upper is ruined.
Long lasting soles like the super heavy duty Vibram lug sole they normally use are a much better choice.
Yeah this is my main issue with stitchdown too. However, Nicks offers a rebuild(not just resole) service where they replace the entire vamp and counter leather using the exact same leather as the original on the same last. This means that essentially you can replace the "welt" on one of these boots if it is ground down too much.
Please, two questions: 1. Do these have a wider or more narrow toe box compared to Whites Perry's? 2. Are these Nik's more comfortable than Whites Perry after a while or not necessarily?
Mans out here cutting apart $600 works of art. That was painful to watch.
As always, a great video that gives boot nerds like me the information necessary to make informed buying decisions. I also want to thank you generally for the approach that you take in all of your videos. You deal in facts, and show the viewer the actual boot construction, not just describe it (which I've never found very helpful). I'm an old man now but I still vividly remember loving my grandfather's moc toe hunting boots and wishing they fit me. This email has motivated me to create a pair of boots that my grandson will wear some day. Keep up the great work Weston!
I’m not hating on Nicks, but I submitted my fit-sheet January 19th and they still haven’t arrived. So be prepared for a wait!
I rather have them take their time to keep the quality up then start rushing and receive a boot of compromises IMO.
And that is exactly why I haven’t canceled my order. I’m salty, but I’m patient.
Have you been in contact with them at all? Their website still lists like 6 to 12 week lead times, not 10 months...
@@ImDudePlayinADude I have. The first set cam after 6 months which was only a bit after the lead time they predicted. BUT they built the boot on the wrong size last. They are fixing it for free but now the leather is back ordered. Which is understandable but it’s still frustrating.
@@jackjmaheriii Ok, thats a different circumstance then. not ideal, but not as crazy as i had thought, waiting 10 months and not getting a pair.
I got my moc toes from nicks a few years ago when they did a small run of them. I love them
I’m not a fan of the look of this boot. I prefer the wedge bottoms to be flat against ground but nicks boots always have that high arch look. Great quality though.
Yea I don’t like that look I don’t want to wear heels or look taller… plus having an elevated heel is bad for your calves long term.
When the boots are broken in the wedge bottom will rest flat against the ground
The boot is UGLY
Thank you for your videos, now i appreciate leather materials more than before. More power to you.
I’m sure it’s been answered before, but besides aesthetics, are there any advantages or practical reasons for a Moc toe compared to a standard toe box?
Thanks for another great video.
Great video. Love my Nicks Falcons. Yes, it takes time to break them in. Then they fit your feet as opposed to a generic foot. These moc toe boots look great. The toe looks reminiscent of the Alden Indy. Great that they come in foam or lug soles.
These look excellent - I just hope the toe box isn’t too snug.
Yeah, clearly the best pair, but it's what you would expect with the price. My wallet tells me my red wings are good enough for me :)
I agree. My two pair of Redwing moctoes have been stunning. They’ll last a lifetime. I’ll blow Nicks/Whites money on the boots that Redwing doesn’t make.
I climb ladders a lot and am liking the metal shank in the whites moctoe. I’m wondering how that leather shank compares. It doesn’t seem like it would provide the same level of support. I love the look of these but maybe if I got these I wouldn’t wear them for work.
All 3 of Whites moctoes (Perry,Perry hybrid, Perry select) all come with a COMPOSITE shank.
Well, if the stiching is just aesthetic, then that mock toe is a mock toe. (Dad joke)
This episode of kill a mocking mock toe with a giant blade
Yeah, would love to see a true apples to apples comparison of other comparable top end brands. Thanks!
thats literally what he does every october.
These look like absolute beasts, but I will take you up on that challenge and say that in my opinion, the Alden indy is the best moc toe boot you can buy.
Style wise, maybe. Build quality wise, not even close
Just ordered a pair of these exact boots. They’re the final pair that I’ve wanted to add to my collection. Great video
OK.....My question is: when time to resole, what changes would you make while the boot is apart?
---Thankx
Damn that 1964 leather is one of the best things to come out of Nicks.
If you are making a footwear that has a 200 hour "break in period" you are doing it wrong.
Its sucks people think this. You really have no idea what you are missing with these types of boots. Ive had a pair of nicks for over 4 years and they will last so much longer then that. 200 hours really is nothing if you live in boots like I do. There really is nothing like them.
To break in a pair of brand new really stiff boots, here's what I do. Smear liberally the whole leather with dubbin. (Remove the laces first) Place the boots outside in the sun for at least 15-30 mins. Repeat the process. Let the boots cool down from the heat of the sun. Lace up the boots, put them on and start walking them in. The idea of the dubbin is to soak into the leather, to soften it and make it more pliable. I've done this with Rossi, Blundstone and Taipan work boots (no longer made).
These look sick, great video. Im really glad they got you the boot by the end of moctober. Any idea if the sole construction of these is the same as the Wedge Worker? Ive got my eye on the Tan Roughout ones for some years down the road when i can spend $470 on excellent boots.
Ordered mine back in January, CAN NOT WAIT!
I've never totally understood the love for Moc-toes....
Sometimes I think it has to do with allowing a taller more squared toe box for toe room, but these Nick's don't have that. So it is really just an extra stitch? Which makes it ornamental?
Or does that stitch help keep toe box structure without celastic?
I also wonder if it is often more the comfortable sole they are generally attrached to more so than the actual Moc-toe?
One thing I definitely understand about it is that it was an easy design to make long ago so it was a logical evolution for the Indians to come to & stick with. I have definitely really liked my moc-toe boat shoes over the years.
If it is a looks thing I just don't personally like the look.
One of the dumbest comments I’ve read in white a while.
Can we all appreciate just how ridiculously sharp that blade is?
We all appreciate it.
Structurally you can’t beat nicks BUUUUT not really a moc boot with that single piece toe IMO. I prefer the red wings look.
I received my pair 5/25/23. Enjoying them thoroughly.
You'd Lurve one of My haircuts-IF you're Ever in Southern England,ha! I love your shows,and How you enjoy human effort and detail-resulting in Lasting quality! All the best,x M
I wish my current boots weren't so far from end of life so I could justify getting these. I bought the Whites moc toe last Dec and they are still like new. They probably have another couple of months before they even need to be resoled for the first time. I have an old pair of waterproof Thorogoods as my backup that have at least one resole left in them (4th) before they are dead, but they will need the welt replaced.
You never mention the eyelets on any boots. These look extra durable. I’ve had an eyelet or two pop loose and I often bend the speed lace hooks coming down on extension ladders. When they get bent it becomes dangerous and they get weaker every time you bend them back.
Just ordered my first pair of nicks, went with the moc safety toe with composite toe, 1964 brown leather and 2021 sand wedge. Haven’t see any people review the safety toe version so we’ll see how they go
Probably the only honest review he up front let us know he got paid for the video that's says a lot 💪
Just received my pair. Way more comfortable out of the box than I anticipated. Great looking boot too.
How they holding up after 1 year? I have a problem burning up soles in 5 to 9 months if I wait anylonger they won’t resole them. I want a pair of these if I could just stop the wife from buying a new pair of heels every other month!