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- Former Nürburgring Nordschleife lap record for a street legal car - EDO COMPETITION Porsche 911 GT2 RS (996) a.k.a. "Maja the Bee" - 670 hp / (450 kW), 880 Nm (649 ft-lb).
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My compliments to Patrick. Driving a GT2 so smoothly and clean is really a great performance. Must be very confident with the car, with the track and in total control. Well done!
the guy is taking such a nice smooth line, i can only take a line like that in a video game such as GT4 etc, but there's no way i could in real life without some SERIOUS practice and a whole lot more guts.
That is one of the best car videos on TH-cam!!! Thank you for that. You can hear the turbo whine and everything!!! Awesome driver and awesome car!!!!
Thanks for the information, Bayer89. This also shows that performance limitations will never allow cars to become faster and faster with advancing technology. It's actually just the opposite on race tracks. I remember Schummi driving a 25 years old turbo Ferrari and beeing afraid of the feeling of danger, even though it was down-powered by 200 bhp. I miss heroes like Bellof, Senna, Clark and Fangio, they raised racing to it's pinacle.
I was at the "Ring" 20 days ago. Awesome place. Got to say that practicing on GT4 was invaluable help when driving there for the first time. I'll be back.
extremely impressive, surprised he gauged his tires so well. for a car that tops out around 170mph, this is insane. he's obviously grown up racing on this track, my hats off to him.
I second this comment. I was the passenger in a non turbo porsche on this track and we were being held up by a skilled rider on a gsx-r 750. Once we passed the bike every turn we pulled away.
Simon hält den Rundenrekord auf der Nürburgring-Nordschleife für strassenzugelassene Fahrzeuge. Auf einem "Biene Maja" genannten Porsche 911 GT2 von EDO-Competition, der auch mit Renntechnik eine offizielle Straßenzulassung aufweisen kann, konnte Simon mit Hilfe von sportlichen Pirelli-Reifen mit Straßenzulassung sowie eines Fahrwerks von KW am 4. August 2005 eine Zeit von 7 Minuten und 15,63 Sekunden erzielen
flawless lap. ive just finished the 24 hour race here on GT4, yeah i know its just a game but it still gives you an idea of how demanding and awesome the track is. i'd love to drive it for real.
If i didn't remember wrongly, there's one Top Gear episode.A lady in a van with seats removed finished the track at 8 minutes plus.
And someone already broken this record at 6 mins plus.
even the gearbox got a perfect setup for nordschleife...damn nice work ... congratualtions
Its wierd to watch a real car go round a circuit i learnt in a game...that guy was amazing, not a corner out of place. Took me about 30 laps of that damn track to complete the final challenge on GT4.
Excellent driving performace. Nürburgring is the ultimate race track to test your abilities and this guy did the job. Congrats.
@Janusha In factory testing, the Lexus LFA did sub-7:20. And that's a car with "just" 552 hp and 3,260+ lbs curb weight. Of course, it has wonderful suspension, weight distribution, ULTRA light engine, and I totally love it, being a Toyota/Lexus guy. But STILL, the mere power to weight figures say everything. And when you have a car that is light AND has great power/weight ratio, built by Formula One people and Formula One related people, WOW! No wonder it STILL kicks ass even after "centuries".
wow that was just crazy fast! actually frightened me how fast he was going and im sitting here watching it off a screen!
the actual record for the competition vehicles holds back since 1983. 6:11 set by Stephan Bellof, Porsche 956
Stefan Bellof did this in 6:11 that puts things into perspective a record that does not look like getting broken soon in a race or road car.
those few faster corners are almost impossible to get right, fantastic lap.
I love this track!!!! I was on it in May,06 when I visted my friend in Germany for holiday. It was raining that day. Thanx for sharing this vid, it bring back a very fond memory.
i've seen it on touristenfahrt-days. you can only drive on the circuit during the touristenfahrten when your car is street-legal, because the ring is considered to be a normal public road.
Man, Listen to the whine! The lon and lat g-meter is a cool touch. Thank you for not adding goofy music to this.
That's sooooo smooth. Driving is stunning. Respect.
The Veyron's 8.0 liter W16 engine produces about 987 hp (1,001 PS) with four turbos, while weighing about 882 lbs (400 kg). That's 1.119 hp/lb. For example, the Lexus LFA's 4.8 liter V10 engine produces about 552 hp without any turbos, weighing less than 359 lbs. That's AT LEAST 1.537 hp/lb. Even the Super Sport's 1,184 hp translate into 1.342 hp/lb. Who would have guessed a few years ago that Toyota/Lexus would make SUCH a great engine... Right there with Ferrari 458 Italia etc.!
@Janusha The thing is that since a humongous over-simplified truck-derived 8.4 can generate 600 hp AND weigh 500 lbs without any forced induction, it makes a sofisticated 8.0 with 4 turbochargers look strange with 987 hp and 882 lbs. The McLaren stuff - 600 PS from 150 kg (330 lbs) engine weight - is amazing. Even if the 150 kg most probably aren't complete. E.g. the GT-R cannot even dream about such power/weight efficiency - despite having essentially the "same" specs (3.8 twin-turbo V8 vs V6).
Nothing like quick onboard round the Ring and this is a doozy. Great driving and good vid quality.
Love the torque from the car - so many times he powers out of corners in 4th or 5th, relatively low on revs, and it just screams out of the corner.
It just seems about 9.5 tenths in a few quick places, though, he leaves some margin. Compare it to the SR8 vid - that is just mad.
That driver was Tom Coronel in a Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR. That was a officially timed lap. With that time the Dodge is the fastest production vehicle on the Nürburgring to date. The car in this video is not a production car but a specially tuned version of the Porsche GT2 (996). So actually it's not competing in the same category as the Dodge. I do think the 7.15 is correct though.
I love watching vids of this track. Very nice lap. I enjoyed watching how great those racing lines were through turns. Would have liked to see the exterior of the car to see what was done to it.
cool. that was a while ago. the simplicity of a race car never changes.
its a porsche 996 from edo competition and the driver is patrick simon, who drove the land motorsport porsche 996 at the 24h race...
the sound.... god the sound. made the hair on my neck stand straight up. What an awesome sound.
Skills, a little bit of craziness, and huge balls
I've run on slicks with a darkened (tinted) windshield in a Daytona while in Germany! A friend of mine up in northern GR had six exotics..the Daytona being #3 in his favorites.You just have to know the right people. "Nothing is ever illegal as long as no one knows about it.."
Also: A guy who's boat/yacht repair/modification facilities are right next to my mechanic's garage actually had a Veyron. He sold it after 1 year, unimpressed. He literally called the car's feel DULL. He expected the greatest car ever, as VW/Bugatti claimed, but was let down by the actual experience... I bet he'd love the F1 or the Koenigsegg CCXR or the 458 or the LFA, etc...
Amazing. I love this track. I have it in rFactor, and drive it all the time. The mother of all racing tracks :)
Incredible driving as well, i have just managed to get below 9 mins in a Corvette C06. Still learning the track and car, so some improvement is of course possible. Thank you for posting this great video.
Damn!!!, mad skills...I make 8:00 mins, and you drive a 911 GT2 that cars are difficult to drive on curves you´re my hero, I raise my hat to you good sir !
Having seen a very accurent german comment, You're right. The Porsche run actually on Pirelli cut slicks.
This is by far one of the best tracks in the world to test your might as a racer specially in winter snowing ;p
I can't even go this fast in Gran Turismo 4... Excellent video.
The record is reserved for show room cars not cars that have been heavily modified with larger turbos and tweeked suspension upgrades
etc
@Janusha The CCXR way is THE way to go - twin-supercharged. No turbo lag, no stupid 4 turbos, "just" two superchargers. Since there are single-turbo engines with over 1,000 hp, the Veyron's ridiculous 4 turbos just underline the lack of reason, especially with the original car's LOW 123 hp/liter. It almost looks like they added weight on purpose... Madness
@Driftuner Suprisingly, on Monday, August 01, both tracks were connected together! (at least between 12:30 - 1pm when I did my last lap and had to go back home). How happy I was! Especially because on the day before you had to pay addtional fee to drive around GP track and it wasn't combined with the Nordschleife.
Your're God, this is insanely awesome! I even have problems playing this on Gran Turismo 4, and you can make it THAT well in real life! Congrats!
They use the Nordschleife to race as well, it incorporates the GP circuit in some races like the 24 hour race they have every year
What a racing track, over 22 km long. It's still unbelivable that Formula 1 competed there in 1976.
you are right, i would too, and the vette could be your daily driver to work.
But you got to give props to the porcshe. That was a sick lap.
According to Wikipedia, the Radical SR8 is the current lap record holder (6:55), per previous post.
Great video, however.
@JohnTheHater You are correct. It probably would take btwn 25 to 50 laps to commit it to memory enough just to not go off the track, let alone drive it as fast as possible for the car and conditions.
this is 270 kmh about 165-170mph
This car has a close ratio transmission that takes advantage of the Nordschleife's many corners to maximise corner exit aceleration. It only has around 600hp but look at the acceleration
@jakubkrcma
7:40, the estimated Veyron time by Wheels Magazine on touring session, which is never official. "When you double the power of a car at the same weight etc., the lap time usually only gets around 15 % better." Trade-off is handling, traction which require more training skill and also reliability. McLaren F1 might have better power/weight ratio, that advantage is countered by Veyron torque and brale power. Of course, I refer to stock model i.e. unmodified.
The gearbox sounds like music!
Awesome video!
Mit Patrick Simon erzielte ein Porsche 996 GT2 Turbo von EDO-Competition, der trotz Renntechnik eine offizielle Straßenzulassung aufweist, mit Hilfe solcher Pirelli-Reifen sowie eines Gewindefahrwerks am 4. August 2005 eine Zeit von 7:15,63 Minuten. Michael Düchting holte sich allerdings die sport-auto-Trophy mit einer Zeit von 7:14,89 Minuten noch im November desselben Jahres zurück.
@MrFLViewer I think the Veyron is for people who absolutely HAVE to be able to say: I have the fastest production car in the world (or at least formerly). On the other hand, people with a 458 or LFA etc. want pure racing with a licence plate. The Veyron is more of a pose, I think. It's a car to SHOW other people, what you can afford, rather than actually enjoy. Plus, the top speed is only useful under VERY special conditions. E.g. the LFA is "sluggish" in a straight line, but corners GREAT.
I bet with the modern technology for tires, in 2016 it would be under 7 minute mark
For sure, the gt3 rs with only kw and a great alignment from getspeed did 7:13 btg on a smooth / not trying hard lap, so this car, today for sure, would do better.
Quite simply put, this is a tuned car, the GTR35 is a production car which has not been modified and pulled a 7:29, its highly unlikely that a production car will outpace a fully tuned version of an already quick car the 911.
Yeah ... it is. We had to learn it the hard way. :P
Though we only had a Suzuki Swift with some changes (suspension, cage, weight reduction etc. but with a stock 125hp engine) and we still managed to loose control at Karussell. We only knew the track from video games and were somewhat surprised by how rough it is when you drive over it with a sport suspension and sport setup in general. We were kicked out of the Karussell but going only 55-60 km/h - no crash :P
love the smooth taken lines. true expert.
Yes, absolute Ring record (6:11:13) belongs to Stefan Bellof. He set it in 1984 on awesome Porsche 956
@Tippotipo I did not refer to any Veyron time. What was it? But obviously, nobody sane expects the standard Veyron to beat the standard McLaren F1. Not only does the F1 have a marginally better power to weight ratio, but it is, crucially, MANY percent lighter. When you double the power of a car at the same weight etc., the lap time usually only gets around 15 % better. Guess what happens when you cut the weight drastically, while keeping or improving the power to weight ratio...
actually stephan bellof beat his own record on the nurburgring last year in the ruf rgt
he is the ultimate
To megamond : Yes, the SR8 is a record holder in his category, but the Porsche in the video is street legal and holds the record for street legal cars. I'm not sure who's done the absolute track record, I'm thinking of Stefan Bellof in the early 80s. Can someone help ?
Yeah!! So fast, Oh my god!! Good hands and good driving Patrick Simon!!
Thank you for the enlightenment. Is the gearbox modified with close ratio gears? It is still an amazing sound!!!
this is by far the best track ever built.i wish they would upgrade the circuit so that it meets the standards of the fia, so that formula 1 could race there.anyone agree???absoloutley awesome.
@TheKatoom Basically, there are two things I don't like about the Veyron. It is quite heavy (while being praised for being light by the maker) and the use of 7th gear is not seamless. I would even say it isn't fair to call it the fastest car, because the McLaren F1, which it originally dethroned, did mindblowing stuff in a proper, regular way (while being MUCH lighter). Paradoxically, the F1, while being extreme, was a much more practical car for everyday use. Veyron change 4 tires: USD 95,000!
@gurlsingerfan FYI Im from Texas. The point of the comment was to let people know how to convert miles to kilometers. And if I remeber correctly it was Europeans who helped develop the rockets for the space program.
The competition only allowed for street legal cars, so they were in fact on street tires, Porsches often use Michelin Pilots I think, though I'm not sure what brand they used.
However, street legal it might have been, but if you dig up a photo of it, you'll find that the front splitter is so low, that it would never clear a speed bump.
So not exactly very road usable then.
On the other hand, the splitter made the high G-forces possible, so I guess it was a good thing to have. :)
WOW, this guy has skill. This is the Hardest Track in the World. And somebody call them Die Grüne Hölle (The Green Hell). You must be a really Hard Guy to get the record
@Janusha Patriotism? I am Czech. I have never even visited the USA (or any other English speaking country). I just say that ~500 lbs for a ~600 hp engine is OK. It is NOT the best, but the thing is that the Veyron's engine weight is SO extreme that even if it had 2,000 hp, it just could not outrace substantially less powerful and lighter cars. 400 kg for an engine is MASSIVE. They are right when they say the car is light, because to keep SUCH an engine in place takes a ton of LIGHT material...
Now to this vid.... The GTR was the new R35 GTR OEM that set that time! (roughly 18sec quicker than the R34) and was/is??? the quickest OEM street car around the ring, hotly contested by the only other rival for the title, the porsche!
(i have seen Dirk Schoysmen drive a Modified 600hp+ Street R34GTR around the ring much faster, hitting 200mph on several parts of the track!)
This a great clean lap none the less, a pleasure to watch! A great car, a good driver & the worlds most amazing track! A+
Spoken like a man whose actually been there in person. :-) Yes, you're so absolutely correct about the real thing vs. video games. Real thing is bumpy AND elevation change is MUCH MUCH more pronounced. I remember driving up toward flugplatz and seeing a 90 degree vertical rise of 5 stories high of tarmac coming at me! LOL. In GT4, that rise is nothing but a mere bump on the ground. lol
Thanks for the heads up mate, greatly appreciated! :D
Just before watching this video I have made my personal NFS:Shift Nordschleife record which is 6:48.73 in Pagani Zonda R. The record for the real car is 6:47.50, it was made by Marc Basseng and it is the fastest lap ever on this track. I think that if I will learn the Nürburgring Nordschleife better than even the world record will be breakable in the game. However the main point is that when some day I will visit this track everything should look familiar to me (of course except for the car :P).
edo comppetition 911 gt2 is a modded version of a gt2 which is already lightened and more track ready than a normal 911... and the 2010 gtr does the ring in 7:26:7 in a 3800 lb car with only 485hp...
i dont know what year this was posted, but Bellof has been dead since 1985...he holds the lap record tho, at 6:11.13 in his Porsche 956.
@Janusha The problem I see with the Veyron is the engine's total weight. That's just inappropriate for a sports car. When you realize that the Viper's 8+ liter engine got about 100 kg lighter through the years (from over 700 lbs to about 500 lbs), while gaining power from around 400 hp to about 600 hp, all that with natural aspiration, the Veyron's "compact" W16 is a monster. It is a gimmick, like the entire car built around it. It's just not right. If it was a 6 liter W16, same power, then OK.
If I ever visit Germany one of the top things on my list is to do a lap around Nordschleife
Right you are, equatess about 12 seconds slower BTG. But the bikes lap was with traffic, I doubt there'd be much in it
The Lady was Sabine Schmitz and she finished at a little more than 10 minutes
Anyone who hasn't actually raced this track should not be able to comment!!! I was just up there for like the 4th time last weekend for the Recaro show.......anyone else there? The track was practiacally empty due to the rain. Great time!
I love the way the transission whines. Is that stock or do I hear spur gears?
@t0rq21
Yes it has shorter gear ratios but still is able reach top speed of 325km/h+, but Simon said because of the wing attitude is not able reach more than 288km/h.
@Janusha A Ferrari Formula One car (only in qualifying) and a Porsche purpose built racer weighing just 1,764 lbs did those things. I am only interested in and talking about proper (roof, doors, etc. - no "Radical" nonsense), road legal production cars. The GT-R, GT2, Zonda, Apollo, and other times are absolutely believable. But when you take an almost 20 years old car with three seats, amazing refined style, air conditioning, audio, etc. and it STILL can match or beat the newcomers, WOW!
that is quick - must be a class record, theres a video on here of english driver Michael Vergers in a radical sr8 posting a 6.55.
yeh Steffan Bellof holds the outright record, RIP
This is a very good video showing very good driving skills and setup.
@Janusha The Viper's engine may be as refined as a hotdog cuisine, but if, for the price, it delivers, I find it OK. And although there are lighter engines with comparable or even higher power, there are also substantially less powerful comparably heavy or even heavier engines. I am solely a Toyota/Lexus owner (having driven many other brands, both privately and work-related - I used to measure real world car performance for living around 2005), so I like e.g. Yamaha-tuned VVTL-i 130 kg/192 PS.
insane driving skills.
You should remember this car wasn't designed for speed on a straight road. Grip and downforce (which obviously reduces top speed) - this is what really matters on the Nordschleife.
bellof's car was crazy, I think it had ground effects as well...
Dont forget to put 1:100 two stroke Oil API TC into the tank for each fill, because thats good for the carbs and the pistons..modern fuel does not take care of the old engine materials!
imagine riding your bike through that track. whoo, it would be a freaking endurance event just to finish one lap. would be fun to try, though.
lol
original video "In Car 956" actual time is 6:41. Derek bell a true master.
@Driftuner I've been on the Ring on Saturday, Sunday and Monday with a new Mercedes C180K. Not really a supercar but nevertheless, I had a lot of fun! I did a Nordschleife with a full GP track under 13 minutes and it was only my 6th lap there :)
that M3 made 7:22 with traffic. Driver said it was possible for another 10sec less, but they sold the car on an auction :(
So i guess we'll never find out.
anybody who knows the name of this song in the begining ? i think its great
Umm guys, this is a German car. German place. German video. This is km/h, not mph. So the 270 you saw was about 170 for you. Race cars are not necessarily fast in top speed, but in acceleration. And this car will probably outspeed a Veyron (which can do 250mph) in a straight line.
Like the old racing saying goes "speed costs money...How fast do you want to go?".
AWESOME TRACK! THE BEST IN THE WORLD!
And to think Heidfeld will be there to drive the BMW Sauber F1 car on April 28th! It will be the first time since Niki Lauda's horrible crash in 1976 that a F1 car will drive around the track!
To think this was done with a car that is almost 9 years old... and it is still one of the quickest cars out there.
Only Porsche
Thats some serious driving epsc since the road is rather bumpy.
Must be kinda dangerous with stiff suspension and high speed
wow nice driving, very smooth. People struggle to do a lap under 10 min, and he did it 7 min and some change, very impressive. I wish i could drive like that and have the oppertunity to race on the Nurburgring, Closest I can get is Le Circuit Mont Tremblant in Mont Tremblant Quebec, but it's much m uch shorter. great vid. thanks. PS, is it just me or Porsche engines just don't sound all that good?