As someone who owns a 5900x, i honestly dont see a reason to upgrade at least for like another generation. It doesnt give me any troubles, has more than enough cores, and temp output isnt wildly hot.
honestly I have the 5900x.... honestly it's not that great. Upgraded to 5800x3d and saw a really small improvement but way less stuttering when on ultra settings on like any game I play. So yeah. Take that with a grain of salt.
@@chrissoutdoorsgardening1261 As a 5900x owner, don't go with that unless you need those cores for productivity. If you're primarily a gamer, get the 5800x3D. I'd trade my 5900x for a 5800x3D right now... and am planning on "upgrading" to a 5800x3D as I can sell the 5900x and get a 5800x3D for practically no loss in money. When I got this thing (5900x), I knew it would be overkill.... but you just don't realize HOW overkill it is. It is so overkill (cores/threads) that it's not even funny. You need a 4090 to push 55% in the games that were hitting that. Typically, I see 8-15% CPU utilization with a 6700XT 12GB. Some games might do 30%, and that's with task manager open, HWiNFO64 running, Steam, Xbox App, EA Play app, Ubisoft Launcher and Epic Games Launcher running. Albeit those aren't really doing anything, but I'm just saying... There are 2-3 games that push me to 40-45% and that is like BF5 and BF2042... I can't even think of the 3rd one. Mind you, Task Manager shows an inflated percentage that's not really what your CPU is doing. With HWiNFO64, I hit 132.7% CPU usage according to Task Manager. Most monitors you're seeing in game are using that (Core Utility) vs what they are really doing (Core Usage). Sure, BeamNG Drive if you throw a ton of traffic being AI driven on the map or something. But there's nothing that averages 50% usage for me. I get 30% in Cyberpunk at the most. I've got G.Skill Ripjaws dual rank RAM running at DDR4 3800 C16 with a 1:1 IF (1900mhz), so I'm even getting the best performance from the CPU. Also a per core tune with Curve Optimizer, +175mhz boost, I usually run at 4.75ghz in games on average in HWiNFO64 if they put enough load on the cores. I've got Asus Performance Enhancement turned on my Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming W-Fi II which means 1000 watt PPT/1000 amp TDC/180 amp EDC limit. It just works better in gaming than PBO. This all means I gained right around 300mhz+ in all core loads for benchmarking in, for example, CPU-z Stress Test on SSE. But I do get higher clocks in games than at stock, not that I can notice anything as I am running that 6700XT 12GB @ 1440p max graphics settings. The only time it gets 100% usage and is faster than an 8-core is during shader compilation lol. And that's also the only time I really benefit from the PBO settings like that, as I don't cap at 142 watts like the stock PPT. I can hit up to 190 watts in Prime95 AVX or usually 165-170 watts during shader compilation. Those are where I hit my 180 amp EDC limit. And how much is that REALLY helping? A 5800x3D, on the other hand, is on par with a 7800x non 3D in gaming. It's on another level when it comes to gaming and is kind of like upgrading to a non x3D AM5 set up, really. It's just unfortunate that they came back and made freaking 5600x3D's but didn't make 5900x3D's. A 5900x is 2x 5600x's, anyways. It has 2x CCD's, so they could have done it. BTW, that's another "negative" on having a 5900x. A 5800x and 5800x3D are both single CCD CPU's. Now, theoretically, yes, less latency with the cores communicating like that, but really, ya never see a 5800x beat out a 5900x in gaming because the 5900x clocks higher. It's rated at 4.8ghz, but it actually hits 4.95ghz out of the box, all stock, on the first CCD. It's the second CCD that only goes to 4.8ghz all stock, hence the 4.8ghz rating. I even set a negative offset on the CPU of -.05v so that it can boost higher while running cooler. I just ran CPU-z with 12 or 14 tabs open in chrome, HWiNFO64 running and got 611.8 single core/9906.5 multi-core. 4575 to 4600mhz all core load in that. Don't let that ego talk you into getting a lesser CPU because "muh cores" like I did. I figured this thing would last years.. but then came x3D on Zen 3 and I was like "well, there goes that" and I got to see just how much non-x3D Zen 3 really does hold back games... even on a 6700XT in the newest games from 2023/2024. I had an R5 3600 first. Then got the 5900x, which killed/popped a mosfet or something on that board after 6 months (Asus STRIX B450-F Gaming II). So you also better have a B550 board if you get a 5900x as the stock 142w PPT is too much for any B450 board. They really aren't made to handle that. This board has an 8+4 pin set up for the CPU power and is 12+2 instead of 8+4 VRM set up like my last board. But, actually, a 5800x has the same stock PPT/TDC/EDC settings, too, so... eh. I dunno, man. Maybe my handful of PBO tests on that B450 board damaged it.
I upgraded my AM4 platform a few times over the last 3 or 4 years. From 3600, to 3700x... then I sidegraded from 3700x to 5600 for better singlethreaded performance, and the system was snappier. Then, I started to do video editing, and upgraded to 5800x. Awesome CPU. I could have stayed there for the upcoming years, but, a drop in price, last week, for the 5900x, came. I decided to do a last upgrade on my AM4 platform, to skip entirely the 7000s series, and leap over it... Multittreaded performance is awesome on that chip. I have 64Gb 3600mhz CL16 ram and a RTX 4070 and a MSI B450 Gaming plus Max mobo. I don't see why someone could not use this over the next 5 years. AM4 has been a legendary platform!
That sounds long, I when from 1600 to 5900x which was a Massive difference and I'm going to wait for the 9800x3d or 10800x3d for the next Massive jump.
@@Deadlines-X I'm making the same jump rn. Gave my 1600+1060 6GB based PC to family as an everyday PC, used a Steam Deck as my daily driver for some time, then scored a great deal on a 5900X+3070 system the other day (why im looking up "5900X in 2023/4" videos haha).
Hope you stick to gaming with that 5900x on a B450 board because the VRM set up is not capable of handling a 5900x/5950x with the stock 142w PPT for too long. 9-12 months if you're doing much 100% load stuff. Gaming should be fine as you'll typically only see 90-100 watts... the same that a PBO 3600 can pull at the max load. But if you do encoding and peg it at 142 watts, or use PBO and start pulling 180 watts (because it isn't capable of pushing a 5900x to 200+ watts), then you'll pop a mosfet. Ask me how I know.
got the ryzen 9 5900X for 250euros today, upgrading from ryzen 5 3600. And grading up from rx 570 to RTX 3060. thats a cool combo wit 0% bottleneck. and i think its a good choice.
@@JoshRicci Actually have a X570 motherboard with a Ryzen 5 3600 with 1650 super, and i was thinking get the Ryzen 9 5900x with a 4060 ti. I understand that my motherboard the last chipset can support is the Ryzen 5th Gen.
@@barragonz just get the rtx 3060 12gb, thats the perfect match for the 5900x. or a RX7600 if you dont mind AMD. then you can activate smart access memory between AMD gpu & cpu will give a increase in performance about 10% too. but i go for nvidia due to lower input latency
My 5900x is now paired with 4090 running 3440x1440 , I have tried best of the best games and I am very happy with performance. Can wait another generation or 2
@@chotafallen8390This is wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If you’re gaming at 4K then you’re GPU bound which wouldn’t levy a CPU bottleneck to begin with. Now if you’re playing at 1080p, you’re going to be more CPU bound but the FPS will still far exceed most monitors that it doesn’t even impact 90% of the population. Most gamers nowadays are migrating towards 2K/4K. So CPU bottlenecks are slowly becoming a thing of the past in regards to gaming.
@@Iridiumcosmos so you mean I should upgrade my 3090 to an 4090 and stay with my Ryzen 5900x? Makes only sense in GPU heavy games? I´ll stay the next 3-4 years in 1440p and you say even in this resolution the way to go is a 4090 over new CPU? (A 4080 is not such a big step forward, maybe the amd 7900xtx?)
@@chotafallen8390 We play at the same resolution and I got a weaker GPU (6750 XT) than you. Brother if I were you, I would keep your setup unless it’s lagging terribly bad. A 5900X + 3090 combo shouldn’t be lagging bad to begin with. I have the same processor and my 6750 XT handles 1440p like a champ. Even my buddy who had a 5600X + 6700 non XT. He was getting 120 FPS in most of his games. Forget what tech reviewers say, if that PC is still serving you good. Save your money and don’t upgrade at least for a couple years. Hell, there’s people still rocking 10 series GPUs to this day. Lol.
I just upgraded to a 4070 Ti Super for 1440p/240hz on my 5900x, which I think is a great pairing. For any games that you end up hitting CPU bottlenecks in, just up your graphics settings to max out your GPU. This has always been a good solution, especially with the option of using super resolution to run games internally at 4k and above on lower res screens. I remember running Far Cry 4 at 4k on my 1080p screen back when I had a 1070, and it made such a huge visual difference.
I bought a 4080 super with plans of upgrading my 5900x also but they work so well together that don't see the need to upgrade any further for a while. I'm on 1440p.
@@NemraV1.1 not sure if It can play on ultra on all the games that are out there but I can play Metro Exodus, Borderlands 3 and Motorfest on ultra which are the 3 I am playing now.
Interesting, I play at 3440x1440 I have 5900x, I just recently upgraded to a 4090 from a 3080Ti. I wanted to get a 4090 because I’ve never played on the top tier GPU of any generation, and playing CP2077 with all the bells and whistles and getting over 100fps is awesome.
I bought the 5900x when it launched. Paired it with an ASUS Crosshair Hero VIII and Trident Z NEOS 32GB. This thing is a beast even 4years later. It can play and do anything you'll ask it to do. It doesn't even sweating. I'll be good for at least 6 more years. Soon I'll complete my system with a 7900GRE
I think you are correct about the data, but I have to say: guys, for the sake of God, you're playing 130+ fps, what difference will it make for your game? It's a ton of fps! Some years ago we were struggling to get 60 fps with Dual Cores and Quad Cores CPUs, now you have a 12-Core CPUs that can give you 130+ fps and you're talking about bottleneck... Of course it is, but does it really matter? Bottleneck always will exist, if doesn't we would have inifinte fps...
The biggest reason for 240+ fps in games is going to be reducing brain-based motion blur. You can get by at lower framerates if you're using black frame insertion, but unfortunately the sample and hold nature of LCD screens really requires ultra high framerates for clear visuals. That doesn't mean you're necessarily going to have a bad experience, but it really depends on what you're playing.
I've had a 3700x since 2019 paired with a 3060ti and then upgraded to a 3080 in 2022. I wasn't having any real issues with the 3700x but recently upgraded to 5900x as it was only £180-ish on amazon to help with lag spikes in Blender. After undervolting the 5900x everything works fine packed into an itx case. It's a work PC used for CAD and Blender and I don't plan on changing platforms until the wheels come off. AM4 is really an incredible platform that I can genuinely see myself and others running for 10 years.
Weird... I've had a r7 5700x and a 6900xt in max settings 1440 I was a bit over your results? How? Temps? Ram speed? Also 136 frames in cyberpunk? Man something is wrong there what motherboard are you using? 🤔
Yes all depends on how you tune your settings on CPU and GPU and your target resolution for what you're intent on doing, if just browsing do nothing to it and enjoy your PC.
@@davidfelix3851 Uhh, no? "if just browsing do nothing to it". The cpu and gpu combo can be used at stock settings for a lot more than just browsing. In fact, you can throw at it pretty much anything that you would with overclock. Cool that you have it tho, nice pc
@@ivangerginov5648 I know that you don't always have to upgrade you can oc my CPU boost to 5.1ghz can squeeze a little more but my thermals are what have to be controlled and My GPU oc my bandwidth is 156.5 tflops and can squeeze more I have it set up the way I want and his system can handle any thing you throw at it.
Great video, I got a triple 1080p 144hz, and a single 4k monitor setup. Powered by a R7 3700x and RTX 4090, I do lots and lots of AI stuff, and video editing. I really want to upgrade, I have 32GB DDR4 ram, a X570 mbd and 750W, which will need an upgrade for all these parts if I decide on going for AM5. Which would double or triple the cost of my upgrade. You'll think the R9 5900x would be my best bet? I don't game as much, and if I do I'm totally fine with 100+fps
Yes, a 5900X will be fine for all of that. The 4090 will be bottlenecked at 1080p, but if you have a 1440p, or a wide/ultrawide monitor it should be fine if you really care about warming your house with a 4090 at 100%. If not then either way you will notice the significantly higher performance in multicore stuff and video editing
I just got a Ryzen 9 5900x CPU. I'm currently running a Ryzen 5 3500 CPU and a Titan x 12gb GPU. I know both old, laugh it up haha. But I'm wondering what is the best ATM GPU for the Ryzen 9 5900x for 1080p gaming and streaming. Any help is appreciated, wanna make sure I have the littlest bottleneck and best for 1080 240fps+
No software? You just see how much of each component is being utilized. If it's above 85-90 then that's a bottleneck. Remember, a bottle neck isn't bad. If you have 180fps then there is nothing to change
I just got a 5900x a few days ago, and I had to get a dual tower air cooler because it got pretty hot on my old cooler. I already had a 5700x and I only upgraded because I wanted more cores. It was a bit of a hard choice because I wanted extra CPU power and I wanted more gaming performance as well. The 5900x gives slightly better gaming performance but way better multicore performance. I considered the 5900 XT for 16 cores, but I ended up getting the 5900x because it's cheaper, and I feel like 12 cores is plenty. I also considered the 5700x3D for the great gaming performance, but I didn't like how much weaker it was for other tasks.
I’m waiting for my RTX 4070 to be delivered at the moment and I currently got a Ryzen 9-5900x I think it should be good and hopefully not too bad of a bottleneck i also upgraded from a RTX 2060 btw
I paired a 4080 FE with a 5900x since the gpu's launch and have been very content. CPU Temps & performance have been great and I really do not have the urge to upgrade.
I am always late in the game. I just bought the i9 5900x on sale here in 2024 and I feel like I am running great. But you are saying it is already old. Good grief, if it is still on the shelf at Best Buy, is it really that old???
I have an ASRock B450M Pro4 and an R5 2600, and I’m considering buying this processor to pair it with my RX 7800 XT. I hope this will be a good decision :)
Very cool vid. Can you drop a 5800x3d into the rig and give that a try next? I have an RTX 4090 with my 5900x after I upgraded from a 3080 a year ago. Considering a 5800x3d now, primarily gaming.
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I just bought a 5900x to replace my Ryzen 5 2600x. A couple of months ago, I bought a Radeon RX 6750XT ... is that a good combo? I still didn't install the CPU, so if the reply is NO, I can still change it... My computer load is 50/50 productivity (developer ... several apps running compiling and the likes, and also gaming at 3880x1440)
At that resolution with that GPU there shouldn't be much of a bottleneck, if any. But I don't own those components so take it with a grain of salt. I used this calculator: pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/10q1bh/1/general-tasks/3440x1440/
As someone who actually owns this combo. It’s perfect. No stutters with anything I’ve thrown at it. I play BeamNG at 4K which is one of the most demanding games out there and they hold up well even when I’m running mods.
So question I upgraded my rig to 128 gigs of ram I just got the 5950x and am about to order a 4080 super do you think this am4 build would bottleneck hardcore because I build it for gaming and productivity?
I'm currently running a 2700x, and recently got a 3070TI so thought of upgrading my cpu as well. I have my eyes on the 5700x or 5900x. I do mostly music production and some gaming here and there at 1080p. Would the 5900x be a good choice at 299 euros? Would combine it with the Scythe Puma 3 CPU cooler.
The 5900x vs the 5800x3d are close here and there and not to crazy off much closer than most think I have 5900x it k ass I'm waiting to see the next gen 9k x3d CPUs on am5 12core CPU then I'll move to Nvidia 5k series or with In that time line.
5800x3d sounds good but I decided to go 5900x in the end and overclock the hell out of it, don't like the idea of a locked cpu, lol, even tho I know 5800x3d is like 20%-30% better in some games, some, not all of them tho.
I would consider the programs used and games played, monitor what CPU usage is and if the 5800X3D seems fine, I would stick to that as it's a lot faster. If your GPU isn't bottleneck it won't matter right now, by the time you upgrade you'd probably want to get an AM5 CPU
@gtf2584 I am using thermal right aqua elite v2 360 liquid cpu cooler. It's doing well cooling the cpu. Max temp during gaming 82C only for 1-2 secs but average is between 65C to 71C during gaming and while no gaming between 39C up to 62C. The cpu generates a lot of heat. It's very powerful. I scored 21k on cinebench 2023.
@@eliascence ya thats pretty similar temps that im getting our only difference i have noctura air cooling u have liquid the threshold for these is 95c then they clock down i still can tbelieve these temps are normal in this day and age i recall the first time i seen my idle temp
@@gtf2584 Hello, The CPU produces lot of heat. I never tried to install an air cooler. Its best in my opinion to install AIO liquid CPU cooler at least 240 with double fans. I bought two days ago NZXT Kraken 240 - RL-KN240-B1 - 240mm AIO CPU Liquid Cooler and I wanted to check if it reduces the heat in gaming. I am seeing similiar temp as 360mm Thermal Right Aqua Elite Cpu cooler.
@@gtf2584 I own myself i7-14700KF and its run way hotter than r9 5900x and it consumes a lot more power around 274Watts max. The architecture of Intel is different but when all cores are working cpu gets too hot around 90C and above.
Im getting a 4070 super to go with my 5800x soon. I guess with an AM4 motherboard like mine, that's probably gonna be hitting my PC build's limit either way.
would a ryzen 5900x beok with a 4060 ? i planing too upgrade my old streaming uses a ryzen 5 3600 and gtx 1080ti ando nly 32 gb so i am upgrading too a smaller case and new microatx board from a atx boardand my gmaing rig i use a dual pc setup uses a ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6600 gpu so yea also my gmaing rig will be my new stremaing rig and my 4060 and ryzen 9 will be my gaming . my friend uses the same pc i use ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6600 his streams looks good
Hey got a question I got a amd ryzen 5 2500x and my gpu is a rtx 3060 ti I am planing on buying this cpu cuz I dont want to upgrade to am5 rn would that be a good decision?
Even a 5600x would be a huge improvement, the nice thing about the 5600x is it's low TDP thus a air cooler like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 can keep this CPU nice and cool (it's what I use on my 5600x build, I use AIO on my 5900x build). I went from a 2700x to a 5600x and the 5600x blew the 2700x out of the water. Just check with you motherboard model to make sure there is a BIOS update that supports the Ryzen 5000 series CPUs. :)
I don’t think for gaming, one needs more than the RTX 4070, with this CPU would be an excellent gaming system. I don’t understand why did you choose the latest and greatest in GPU with this wonderful CPU. We have other things to spend on, right ?
I got the same cpu overclocked with PBO2 but i dont have a motherboard with dynamic OC switcher where i could benefit from all core OC and the single core PBO OC.
Hola, crees que voy a poder correr pubg de manera fluida con un r9 5900x, placa de video rx 6700 xt y 64 de ram a 3600mhz.. en 1080p? alcanzaré los 144fps o 240? me estoy por comprar esa configuracion y no sé si me servirá para competitivo..
nice video. i installed 5900x on my old b350f mb about 1 year ago . its paired with 6950xt card and 32gb running 3200mhz. 800 psu .' and i dont think its running like it should . is my motherborad to weak you think ?
You need a B550 or X570 board to get PCIE 4.0. Ram should be 3600 CL14 (Samsung B-die). Low latency ram at 3600 or 3800 with SAM with a negative curve optimizer (-10 to -15) will maximize frames from that chip. I ran a 5900X until I upgraded to the 7800X3D.
Your motherboard WILL die trying to power a 5900x. It doesn't have the VRM set up for it. That's why it's acting weird, you already have something failing. It can't supply the same voltage as it did in the beginning. You need a B550/x570 to handle a 5900x hitting 142 watts stock for extended periods. And if you're using PBO, there's no way it's able to handle the 200 watts with a 180 amp EDC limit that it can pull. It can pull more with a higher limit, too.
AFAIK 50% GPU 50% CPU “bottleneck” means perfect config balance! Any balance shift is also OK as long as FPS numbers are acceptable. This “bottleneck” means how much CPU and GPU time was spent to render the frame. Can’t agree with you on “probably you shouldn’t pair 5900x with 4090” Based on what i saw in your video You can pair it with 4090 and you will get additional performance compared to, for example, 4080. We don’t have any dramatic CPU bottleneck. Ok, may be you wanna run cs2 on 360Hz monitor then yes. But 244 is still VERY DECENT for anyone except REAL PRO players. My opinion: 5900x holds strong to this day (Q4 2024) and could be used with 4090
would upgrading to the 5900x be worth it? it is currently £240 which is an absolute steal. i currently have a ryzen 5 3600 paired with a regular 3050. i also have a 240hz monitor and struggle to get a consistent frame rate above 200. would anybody recommend this upgrade?
I upgraded 5900x to 5800x3d for gaming, and 5900x was used to second PC like, truenas, steaming, etc... I will upgrade to zen 5 or zen6 if they have 100% performance rise.
@@pacificostriker When I played online games(or bad optimize games like EFT), the 5800X3D was better. But at the most time, both of them aren't much different in 2K resolution. I will keep X3d just for games.
None of the tech tubers say anything about more cores equallying smoother frame times in unreal engine 5. It is so much better with more cores. A 12 core is night and day versus a six core and a 16 core is night and day versus a 12 core. The 7800X3D and 5800X 3D get more frames but their frame time is stuttery compared to the 16 core older chip or even the 12 core older chip. Test it for yourself. It's crazy that nobody brings that up and it makes such a huge difference when it comes to playability in first descendant for example.
with a 4070 the 5900x is pretty much perfectly fine. I don't see a reason to upgrade for maybe another gen. The 7 8 and 9k series of ryzen dont offer enough of a reason over it. Especially with the cost of moving to the AM4 platform with new mobo, ram AND CPU. Not worth for me until probably the 10/11k ryzen series where it might be worth to jump from 5900x to the am5 8k series.
My 5900x is already shipping to me. It's going to be better than my 5600 non-X because I need those extra cores as a streamer. I use 6800XT GPU, so I need that x264 software encoding as for now.
He mentioned a good one. The Fuma 2 rev b also cools it super easily. And the noctua equivalent dual stack air cooler is also far more than enough. I use a Fuma 2. Zero issues. 195 watts ain't a thing.
I'm going to be doing more productivity and a little light gaming I'm going to go with the 5900x and probably a 7900 GRE. I want to stay on the am4 platform. Cuz I don't want to buy all new equipment. To me that's just wasteful
I really don’t want to be mean, but for a game like AC Mirage you clearly can see that the CPU is not the issue if the utilisation is around 40%. And I think the biggest bottleneck in these games was RAM if you had 16GB of it. I have a 1600x (planning on buying 5900x) and 4060 and 16GB DDR4 which is being utilized 100% for most of those titles you showed, so it’s clearly a RAM issue. I think you’d have more fps if you had 32GB.
what the hell do you mean. if the game ran at over 100 fps at 1440p ultra wide then the answer is yes. Why would any one ever spend $3000 AUD for a 4090 to run it in low 1080p. The answer to this is No the 5900x does not bottle neck the GPU and the CPU is still viable for modern gaming.
GPU and CPU are both around 50% so where I see which is bottleneck and why? I play with AMD 5900x and RTX 3090 and have for me enough fps. Upgrading the 5900x would be better before going after new GPU but then I should switch to AM5 with :-(
oh ok. I have some no looking games even new games I got only 70 fps with 60-80% GPU usage. I think lot of has to do with bad/poor progamming? Like "once human" or "No one will survive", they look all the same (same engine and assets) with same performance And all is maxed out in graphic Damn I would like to try the 7800x3d with my 3090 in same games to see the difference.
The point you are making makes little sense to me. Who buys a 4090 or 7900XTX to game in1080p? In 1440p a 5900x would be much less of a bottleneck and decent pairing. Even much more so in 4k where the 5900x would have little problem in bottlenecking those high end GPU´s
Blows my mind people spend $1600 for Titan GPUs that aren't even meant for gaming. Nvidia really took customers for a ride renaming the Titan lineup to the 90 series. Yet the fools line up to buy this stuff no wonder Nvidia keeps reporting record profits. Since the 3000 series the only decent cards were the 3080's with 3090's being misrepresented and anything under a 80 series being junk Same is true with the 4000 series only worse, only decent card is the 4080 with anything under not even PCI x16 junk. My 1080 Ti from 2017 runs circles around any of the 3000 series short of the 3080 and even that isn't a huge improvement.
@@mgtruckin yup I had bought a 3070 Ti and to be honest any improvement to the 1080 Ti wasn’t noticeable least in the games I play. I’m sure it’s better at 4k but with only 8GB vram it’s gonna max that out fast. The 3080 is better but not really by much. Bought what was supposed to be the 12GB variant which for me would hold me over easy 5 years as I’m looking to upgrade to 1440p but instead was sent the regular 10GB version which in 2023 for a 80 series card is just pathetic. Had wanted to just get a 3080 Ti but not for the prices they still ask for them. Not my fault someone was dumb enough to pay $2000-$3000 for it few years ago. Thinking of just getting rid of both and just keeping the 1080 Ti, works great and runs a lot cooler than the 3080 does.
Not true at all. You can easily pair the 4090 with 5900X but it only makes sense at 4k. Anything lower will bottleneck even with the fastest cpu out there. Resolution presented here is some 21:9 widescreen variant which is not even close to 4k load on your gpu. At 4k you are mostly gpu limited but 4090 for sure is pushing the boundaries even at such a high resolution. A lot of people have this combination including myself and the framerates at 4k are basically identical to 7800X3D in most cases. Of course 7800X3D is much faster no doubt about it but it will show only on lower resolutions or in some really cpu intensive games. Most of the times it is 0 to 5% difference. 1% lows are for sure a thing here but nothing groundbreaking. I was actually amazed how it can hadle 4090 either undervolted, stock or heavily overclocked. Your best bet now is AM5 with 7800X3D with later path to ryzen 9000. I would already grab that but I just want the latest chipset coming with ryzen 9000. Then sell my 4090 and replace it with 5090. If the rumours are true and the uplift is yet again another 50 to 60 or even 70% I am all in....Shame that AMD is leaving the high end for the next gen. The 5090 will be unchallenged like 4090 nowdays.
What cooling do you guys use?? I just bought a 5900x over 5800x3d bc I do a lot of vfx/animation work for college. I am upgrading froma r5 3600. I am also changing my case to a SSUPD Meshroom S with a ATX board so can only use a 240mm AIO.
How the hell do you bottleneck that shit LOL! XDDD I have 5900x with 4090 Strix OC and it works like a charm, u use to play in 4K but also ofc played in 1080p and 1440p, there is something wierd in ur build if thats ur numbers xD
Sounds like he's using 1x 16GB stick of DDR4 RAM. Which is stupid if correct. He couldn't wait to get another stick? I feel like I'm looking at single channel results
Should i go with 5900x or 5800x? I am building my pc currently. I am in btn these two cpus. And what GPUs should i pair?. I will basically game at 1080p(most of the time)/1440p and some browsing and ms office here and there.
If would build a PC now, I'd go for the 7900x and get a motherboard with AM5 socket. More future proof. But I'm currently running a 5900x and The ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero motherboard. Built at the end of 2020. So not worth the upgrade.
@@Goobstank its an am4 i think with no upgrade opportunities in the future i suppose, but its a beast of a cpu, what gpu should i go for? Won't it be ideal if i go for something supporting the am5?
@@BrianJ. I am also leaning toward 5900x as it is a monster, you wont meed to upgrade it for a few years if you game at 1080p or 1440p if paired with a good gpu, but what you said is true, and beneficial in the long run. What gpu do you recommend?
@@sujoypatra795 The 5900x is perfectly fine for 4k as well. You are mostly GPU bound at 4k resolution. But still I'd prefer an AM5 socket motherboard and a 7900x, If I were to build a PC right now. For the reason I mentioned. As for the GPU, go for Nvidia. If you have the money, a 4080. But If I were you, I'd buy a used 3080ti, which is financially a way smarter thing to do. The price of a newest gen GPU is not justified IMO. Save yourself that money. Especially if you game at 1440p or below. Those prices drop really fast everytime a newer card is released.
its basically a 5600x..not a very fast gaming chip..5900x is a bit faster then the 56000x..it is a really a excelllant workhorse cpu for the price..i never had a stutter , bottle neck or any game performance issues when paired with my 3070ti..chewing through major tasks rapidly and efficiently is its real purpose..i love it...cpus must be paired logically with gpus also...a 4090?..try a 3080 to see its actual potential in real time..not to mention the crappy poorly optimized new games that adversely affect cpu's and gpus...what a scam....they are the main culprits..and of course nvidia the scalpers and their co-parts..the piratte game platforms and developers.
...what was the point of this? also, what the hell is up with your choice of game? some of the games you tested can't even properly utilize all this CPUs cores. not to mention: nobody buys this for gaming. the 5800x3d is a better choice. this is for people that need more CPU cores.
I have a rx 7900xt and ryzen 9 5900x. On full hd u clearly get a cpu bottleneck. So ill switch to 2k monitor any time. Also got a 4k 60hz monitor were i lock the frames to 70fps. All good for me
Remember, the 5900x has two core complexes that communicate with each other via an "infinity fabric". "Infinity fabric" clocking plays an important role in this type of processor. The larger they are, the more efficiently and faster the cores will communicate with each other. This plays a big role in games that use multiple cores and distribute their work over two core complexes.
Why would you test a 5900X, a (today) budget workstation CPU, with an RTX4090? No shit it's gonna bottleneck. A more realistic test would have been with something like RTX4070/ti/7800XT. How much more FPS would you get from a 7900X compared to 5900X with one of those cards? If you're gonna spend all that money on a 4090, of course it's worth it to upgrade to a better CPU, but do you really need the latest and greatest to take full advantage of your mid range card?
@@JoshRicci I'd think a 5900X and 6590 XT would be a great combo. Or a 5800X3D and a 6950 XT. The 4090 is a pure 'beast' and I'm not sure AMD has a CPU in their lineup strong enough for it, but I don't know. Honestly I haven't kept up with Intel that much.
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As someone who owns a 5900x, i honestly dont see a reason to upgrade at least for like another generation. It doesnt give me any troubles, has more than enough cores, and temp output isnt wildly hot.
same if i want to upgrade i will wait to at least 2026-2028
i have this one and i don’t think it’s good idea to upgrade now but…. i mean i bought my at january )
well shucks i just got one cos my workflow was getting too choked w my 5600x
@@sheesh1101oh you're gonna love the performance
honestly I have the 5900x.... honestly it's not that great. Upgraded to 5800x3d and saw a really small improvement but way less stuttering when on ultra settings on like any game I play. So yeah. Take that with a grain of salt.
I won't be upgrading off my 5900x for another gen or 2. It's worked perfect for me since 2021 and I have no complaints.
I have a gen 1 Ryzen 7 1700X and it still works good albeit with a 21% bottleneck on my 4070 but works fine bout to get a 5900x or a Ryzen 7 5800x
what's your GPU?
@@lajask an Rx560 4gb
@@chrissoutdoorsgardening1261 As a 5900x owner, don't go with that unless you need those cores for productivity. If you're primarily a gamer, get the 5800x3D. I'd trade my 5900x for a 5800x3D right now... and am planning on "upgrading" to a 5800x3D as I can sell the 5900x and get a 5800x3D for practically no loss in money.
When I got this thing (5900x), I knew it would be overkill.... but you just don't realize HOW overkill it is. It is so overkill (cores/threads) that it's not even funny. You need a 4090 to push 55% in the games that were hitting that. Typically, I see 8-15% CPU utilization with a 6700XT 12GB. Some games might do 30%, and that's with task manager open, HWiNFO64 running, Steam, Xbox App, EA Play app, Ubisoft Launcher and Epic Games Launcher running. Albeit those aren't really doing anything, but I'm just saying... There are 2-3 games that push me to 40-45% and that is like BF5 and BF2042... I can't even think of the 3rd one. Mind you, Task Manager shows an inflated percentage that's not really what your CPU is doing. With HWiNFO64, I hit 132.7% CPU usage according to Task Manager. Most monitors you're seeing in game are using that (Core Utility) vs what they are really doing (Core Usage).
Sure, BeamNG Drive if you throw a ton of traffic being AI driven on the map or something. But there's nothing that averages 50% usage for me. I get 30% in Cyberpunk at the most. I've got G.Skill Ripjaws dual rank RAM running at DDR4 3800 C16 with a 1:1 IF (1900mhz), so I'm even getting the best performance from the CPU. Also a per core tune with Curve Optimizer, +175mhz boost, I usually run at 4.75ghz in games on average in HWiNFO64 if they put enough load on the cores. I've got Asus Performance Enhancement turned on my Asus ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming W-Fi II which means 1000 watt PPT/1000 amp TDC/180 amp EDC limit. It just works better in gaming than PBO. This all means I gained right around 300mhz+ in all core loads for benchmarking in, for example, CPU-z Stress Test on SSE. But I do get higher clocks in games than at stock, not that I can notice anything as I am running that 6700XT 12GB @ 1440p max graphics settings.
The only time it gets 100% usage and is faster than an 8-core is during shader compilation lol. And that's also the only time I really benefit from the PBO settings like that, as I don't cap at 142 watts like the stock PPT. I can hit up to 190 watts in Prime95 AVX or usually 165-170 watts during shader compilation. Those are where I hit my 180 amp EDC limit. And how much is that REALLY helping?
A 5800x3D, on the other hand, is on par with a 7800x non 3D in gaming. It's on another level when it comes to gaming and is kind of like upgrading to a non x3D AM5 set up, really.
It's just unfortunate that they came back and made freaking 5600x3D's but didn't make 5900x3D's. A 5900x is 2x 5600x's, anyways. It has 2x CCD's, so they could have done it. BTW, that's another "negative" on having a 5900x. A 5800x and 5800x3D are both single CCD CPU's. Now, theoretically, yes, less latency with the cores communicating like that, but really, ya never see a 5800x beat out a 5900x in gaming because the 5900x clocks higher. It's rated at 4.8ghz, but it actually hits 4.95ghz out of the box, all stock, on the first CCD. It's the second CCD that only goes to 4.8ghz all stock, hence the 4.8ghz rating. I even set a negative offset on the CPU of -.05v so that it can boost higher while running cooler.
I just ran CPU-z with 12 or 14 tabs open in chrome, HWiNFO64 running and got 611.8 single core/9906.5 multi-core. 4575 to 4600mhz all core load in that.
Don't let that ego talk you into getting a lesser CPU because "muh cores" like I did. I figured this thing would last years.. but then came x3D on Zen 3 and I was like "well, there goes that" and I got to see just how much non-x3D Zen 3 really does hold back games... even on a 6700XT in the newest games from 2023/2024.
I had an R5 3600 first. Then got the 5900x, which killed/popped a mosfet or something on that board after 6 months (Asus STRIX B450-F Gaming II). So you also better have a B550 board if you get a 5900x as the stock 142w PPT is too much for any B450 board. They really aren't made to handle that. This board has an 8+4 pin set up for the CPU power and is 12+2 instead of 8+4 VRM set up like my last board.
But, actually, a 5800x has the same stock PPT/TDC/EDC settings, too, so... eh. I dunno, man. Maybe my handful of PBO tests on that B450 board damaged it.
I own 5900x so not upgrading. You should 100% get the 58003d 😊@chrissoutdoorsgardening1261
I bought the 5900X with a 3090 when they came out and have had 0 issues running games and VM workstation pro
I upgraded my AM4 platform a few times over the last 3 or 4 years. From 3600, to 3700x... then I sidegraded from 3700x to 5600 for better singlethreaded performance, and the system was snappier. Then, I started to do video editing, and upgraded to 5800x. Awesome CPU. I could have stayed there for the upcoming years, but, a drop in price, last week, for the 5900x, came. I decided to do a last upgrade on my AM4 platform, to skip entirely the 7000s series, and leap over it... Multittreaded performance is awesome on that chip. I have 64Gb 3600mhz CL16 ram and a RTX 4070 and a MSI B450 Gaming plus Max mobo. I don't see why someone could not use this over the next 5 years. AM4 has been a legendary platform!
That sounds long, I when from 1600 to 5900x which was a Massive difference and I'm going to wait for the 9800x3d or 10800x3d for the next Massive jump.
@@Deadlines-X I'm making the same jump rn. Gave my 1600+1060 6GB based PC to family as an everyday PC, used a Steam Deck as my daily driver for some time, then scored a great deal on a 5900X+3070 system the other day (why im looking up "5900X in 2023/4" videos haha).
Hope you stick to gaming with that 5900x on a B450 board because the VRM set up is not capable of handling a 5900x/5950x with the stock 142w PPT for too long. 9-12 months if you're doing much 100% load stuff. Gaming should be fine as you'll typically only see 90-100 watts... the same that a PBO 3600 can pull at the max load. But if you do encoding and peg it at 142 watts, or use PBO and start pulling 180 watts (because it isn't capable of pushing a 5900x to 200+ watts), then you'll pop a mosfet.
Ask me how I know.
got the ryzen 9 5900X for 250euros today, upgrading from ryzen 5 3600. And grading up from rx 570 to RTX 3060. thats a cool combo wit 0% bottleneck. and i think its a good choice.
Definitely!
@@JoshRicci Actually have a X570 motherboard with a Ryzen 5 3600 with 1650 super, and i was thinking get the Ryzen 9 5900x with a 4060 ti. I understand that my motherboard the last chipset can support is the Ryzen 5th Gen.
@@barragonz just get the rtx 3060 12gb, thats the perfect match for the 5900x. or a RX7600 if you dont mind AMD. then you can activate smart access memory between AMD gpu & cpu will give a increase in performance about 10% too. but i go for nvidia due to lower input latency
I was thinking a 4000 series to get the DLSS3 technology 🙃@@Sooluuss
nah it's a good combination i have a 5900x with a 4070 and there isn't a clear bottleneck at 1440p, and very slight at 1080p@@barragonz
Oh man i am upgrading from a ryzen 5 2600 to a 9 5900x absolutely can't wait
Absolutely worth it!! You will be amazed!!
no!!!!!!!! dont do this, get the 5800x3d instead.. I went from the 1700 to 5900x thinking its better, well it aint i get stuttering in heavy cpu games
Thinking of upgrading from the Ryzen 7 1700x to the Ryzen 9 5900x
Hey! Oddly enough I'm upgrading from the exact same thing, how do you like it???
Im doing same coz my GPU bottlenecs everything else cheaper.
The best combo for the ryzen 9 5900x is the 4070 super 16 gb and 4080 super 12 cores and 24 threads would be enough to support those gpus
My 5900x is now paired with 4090 running 3440x1440 , I have tried best of the best games and I am very happy with performance. Can wait another generation or 2
what GPU do you had before? the 5990x is far to week for that GPU. The 5900x is often not fast enough for my 3090 in 1440p your 4090 must be bored.,-)
@@chotafallen8390 I Upgraded from Asus strix 3090 , My major issue with Asus gpu were Coil noise.
@@chotafallen8390This is wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
If you’re gaming at 4K then you’re GPU bound which wouldn’t levy a CPU bottleneck to begin with. Now if you’re playing at 1080p, you’re going to be more CPU bound but the FPS will still far exceed most monitors that it doesn’t even impact 90% of the population. Most gamers nowadays are migrating towards 2K/4K. So CPU bottlenecks are slowly becoming a thing of the past in regards to gaming.
@@Iridiumcosmos so you mean I should upgrade my 3090 to an 4090 and stay with my Ryzen 5900x? Makes only sense in GPU heavy games?
I´ll stay the next 3-4 years in 1440p and you say even in this resolution the way to go is a 4090 over new CPU?
(A 4080 is not such a big step forward, maybe the amd 7900xtx?)
@@chotafallen8390 We play at the same resolution and I got a weaker GPU (6750 XT) than you. Brother if I were you, I would keep your setup unless it’s lagging terribly bad. A 5900X + 3090 combo shouldn’t be lagging bad to begin with. I have the same processor and my 6750 XT handles 1440p like a champ. Even my buddy who had a 5600X + 6700 non XT. He was getting 120 FPS in most of his games. Forget what tech reviewers say, if that PC is still serving you good. Save your money and don’t upgrade at least for a couple years. Hell, there’s people still rocking 10 series GPUs to this day. Lol.
I just upgraded to a 4070 Ti Super for 1440p/240hz on my 5900x, which I think is a great pairing. For any games that you end up hitting CPU bottlenecks in, just up your graphics settings to max out your GPU. This has always been a good solution, especially with the option of using super resolution to run games internally at 4k and above on lower res screens. I remember running Far Cry 4 at 4k on my 1080p screen back when I had a 1070, and it made such a huge visual difference.
bro i have the same setup . please help me set it up for best performance
I bought a 4080 super with plans of upgrading my 5900x also but they work so well together that don't see the need to upgrade any further for a while. I'm on 1440p.
I want to buy the 4080 super with this cpu, is it worth it ? (can it run games on ultra ?)
@@NemraV1.1 not sure if It can play on ultra on all the games that are out there but I can play Metro Exodus, Borderlands 3 and Motorfest on ultra which are the 3 I am playing now.
Interesting, I play at 3440x1440 I have 5900x, I just recently upgraded to a 4090 from a 3080Ti.
I wanted to get a 4090 because I’ve never played on the top tier GPU of any generation, and playing CP2077 with all the bells and whistles and getting over 100fps is awesome.
I use it and I still get more than my monitor can handle with my RTX 4060ti on 1440p
I bought the 5900x when it launched. Paired it with an ASUS Crosshair Hero VIII and Trident Z NEOS 32GB.
This thing is a beast even 4years later. It can play and do anything you'll ask it to do. It doesn't even sweating. I'll be good for at least 6 more years. Soon I'll complete my system with a 7900GRE
I think you are correct about the data, but I have to say: guys, for the sake of God, you're playing 130+ fps, what difference will it make for your game? It's a ton of fps! Some years ago we were struggling to get 60 fps with Dual Cores and Quad Cores CPUs, now you have a 12-Core CPUs that can give you 130+ fps and you're talking about bottleneck... Of course it is, but does it really matter? Bottleneck always will exist, if doesn't we would have inifinte fps...
The biggest reason for 240+ fps in games is going to be reducing brain-based motion blur. You can get by at lower framerates if you're using black frame insertion, but unfortunately the sample and hold nature of LCD screens really requires ultra high framerates for clear visuals. That doesn't mean you're necessarily going to have a bad experience, but it really depends on what you're playing.
Just purchased this and a 4080, absolutely no complaints. Im getting great results at 1440p
I've had a 3700x since 2019 paired with a 3060ti and then upgraded to a 3080 in 2022. I wasn't having any real issues with the 3700x but recently upgraded to 5900x as it was only £180-ish on amazon to help with lag spikes in Blender. After undervolting the 5900x everything works fine packed into an itx case. It's a work PC used for CAD and Blender and I don't plan on changing platforms until the wheels come off. AM4 is really an incredible platform that I can genuinely see myself and others running for 10 years.
Weird... I've had a r7 5700x and a 6900xt in max settings 1440 I was a bit over your results? How? Temps? Ram speed? Also 136 frames in cyberpunk? Man something is wrong there what motherboard are you using? 🤔
My 5900x and 4070 should keep me awhile 👌
Yes all depends on how you tune your settings on CPU and GPU and your target resolution for what you're intent on doing, if just browsing do nothing to it and enjoy your PC.
@@davidfelix3851 You're talking as if he's running a 3rd gen i5 and a gtx960, lol
@@ivangerginov5648 not at all just your interpretation as said In post.I have a 5900x with rtx 3090 I play at almost 7k next one down from 8k .
@@davidfelix3851 Uhh, no? "if just browsing do nothing to it". The cpu and gpu combo can be used at stock settings for a lot more than just browsing. In fact, you can throw at it pretty much anything that you would with overclock.
Cool that you have it tho, nice pc
@@ivangerginov5648 I know that you don't always have to upgrade you can oc my CPU boost to 5.1ghz can squeeze a little more but my thermals are what have to be controlled and My GPU oc my bandwidth is 156.5 tflops and can squeeze more I have it set up the way I want and his system can handle any thing you throw at it.
Cool video. If you want this CPU for both productivity and gaming, then it's awesome! :D How long ago did you start your channel, Josh?
i'm on a 4070ti and 5900x and experience 2-4% bottleneck at 1440p and a 15-20% bottleneck at 1080p.
Great video Josh - footgae of you in the studio looks a bit sub par tho - id get yourself a decent camera
Great video, I got a triple 1080p 144hz, and a single 4k monitor setup. Powered by a R7 3700x and RTX 4090, I do lots and lots of AI stuff, and video editing. I really want to upgrade, I have 32GB DDR4 ram, a X570 mbd and 750W, which will need an upgrade for all these parts if I decide on going for AM5. Which would double or triple the cost of my upgrade. You'll think the R9 5900x would be my best bet? I don't game as much, and if I do I'm totally fine with 100+fps
Yes, a 5900X will be fine for all of that. The 4090 will be bottlenecked at 1080p, but if you have a 1440p, or a wide/ultrawide monitor it should be fine if you really care about warming your house with a 4090 at 100%. If not then either way you will notice the significantly higher performance in multicore stuff and video editing
The ryzen 3000 series is still good tbh so the 5000 series is still great especially at 1440p or higher
I just got a Ryzen 9 5900x CPU. I'm currently running a Ryzen 5 3500 CPU and a Titan x 12gb GPU. I know both old, laugh it up haha. But I'm wondering what is the best ATM GPU for the Ryzen 9 5900x for 1080p gaming and streaming. Any help is appreciated, wanna make sure I have the littlest bottleneck and best for 1080 240fps+
I like any of thr XX70 cards with my 5900x or the 6700xt is a great price and gpu
What software did u use to calculate bottleneck?
No software? You just see how much of each component is being utilized. If it's above 85-90 then that's a bottleneck. Remember, a bottle neck isn't bad. If you have 180fps then there is nothing to change
I just got a 5900x a few days ago, and I had to get a dual tower air cooler because it got pretty hot on my old cooler. I already had a 5700x and I only upgraded because I wanted more cores. It was a bit of a hard choice because I wanted extra CPU power and I wanted more gaming performance as well. The 5900x gives slightly better gaming performance but way better multicore performance. I considered the 5900 XT for 16 cores, but I ended up getting the 5900x because it's cheaper, and I feel like 12 cores is plenty. I also considered the 5700x3D for the great gaming performance, but I didn't like how much weaker it was for other tasks.
We 5800x-5900x users just wait for 9800x3d :D nice vid
What about a 4070 Super?
I’m waiting for my RTX 4070 to be delivered at the moment and I currently got a Ryzen 9-5900x I think it should be good and hopefully not too bad of a bottleneck i also upgraded from a RTX 2060 btw
I have the same set up. I run all games I play at 1440p no issues
I paired a 4080 FE with a 5900x since the gpu's launch and have been very content. CPU Temps & performance have been great and I really do not have the urge to upgrade.
Shoot I’m rocking a 2080 and just upgraded from the 2700x to 5900 my pc runs great
I am always late in the game. I just bought the i9 5900x on sale here in 2024 and I feel like I am running great. But you are saying it is already old. Good grief, if it is still on the shelf at Best Buy, is it really that old???
I’m getting an average between 450-500 fps on outside maps in cs2 1080p??
(5900x, 32gb 3600mhz, rtx 3080)
I have an ASRock B450M Pro4 and an R5 2600, and I’m considering buying this processor to pair it with my RX 7800 XT. I hope this will be a good decision :)
4:05 is this still Cyberpunk or some other game?
That’s gears 5
Lol, your mw2 settings are messed up... i get 305 fps ( cpu and gpu combined) on average in the ingame benchmark with the same cpu.
Very cool vid. Can you drop a 5800x3d into the rig and give that a try next? I have an RTX 4090 with my 5900x after I upgraded from a 3080 a year ago. Considering a 5800x3d now, primarily gaming.
I just bought a 5900x to replace my Ryzen 5 2600x. A couple of months ago, I bought a Radeon RX 6750XT ... is that a good combo? I still didn't install the CPU, so if the reply is NO, I can still change it... My computer load is 50/50 productivity (developer ... several apps running compiling and the likes, and also gaming at 3880x1440)
At that resolution with that GPU there shouldn't be much of a bottleneck, if any. But I don't own those components so take it with a grain of salt. I used this calculator: pc-builds.com/bottleneck-calculator/result/10q1bh/1/general-tasks/3440x1440/
As someone who actually owns this combo. It’s perfect. No stutters with anything I’ve thrown at it. I play BeamNG at 4K which is one of the most demanding games out there and they hold up well even when I’m running mods.
So question I upgraded my rig to 128 gigs of ram I just got the 5950x and am about to order a 4080 super do you think this am4 build would bottleneck hardcore because I build it for gaming and productivity?
I wouldn't think a 4080 would be bottleneck too hard on that system, it's mainly the 4090 that seems to struggle on anything but the latest CPUs.
I'm currently running a 2700x, and recently got a 3070TI so thought of upgrading my cpu as well. I have my eyes on the 5700x or 5900x. I do mostly music production and some gaming here and there at 1080p. Would the 5900x be a good choice at 299 euros? Would combine it with the Scythe Puma 3 CPU cooler.
you are already in a bottleneck for about 36.6%. you should def. upgrade your CPU. or downgrade to a 2060 Super.
@@Sooluuss Oh, didn't know it was that bad.. 😅 Well i'm looking to order it this weekend so should be having it next week. i'll just go with the 5900x
The 5900x vs the 5800x3d are close here and there and not to crazy off much closer than most think I have 5900x it k ass I'm waiting to see the next gen 9k x3d CPUs on am5 12core CPU then I'll move to Nvidia 5k series or with In that time line.
5800x3d sounds good but I decided to go 5900x in the end and overclock the hell out of it, don't like the idea of a locked cpu, lol, even tho I know 5800x3d is like 20%-30% better in some games, some, not all of them tho.
I eventually got thhe 5900x as well! Can't complain! Fps difference is crazy in CS2. Also a lot more responsive overal @@thepirate4095
i have rtx 3070ti with this cpu , 3440*1440 and i want to upgrade the gpu next GEN :(
Next gen GPUs are coming this year Q4 2024 so save your money and buy the best you can bro!
I have 5900x and 5800x3d.... I need to keep only one. Whats the best for you if only you SHOULD to choose one?
I would consider the programs used and games played, monitor what CPU usage is and if the 5800X3D seems fine, I would stick to that as it's a lot faster. If your GPU isn't bottleneck it won't matter right now, by the time you upgrade you'd probably want to get an AM5 CPU
I am going to pair this with a 4080 super for 4K and vr in 2024 because they are 199 at micro center
5900x is awesome! I am using in MSI B550 Gaming Plus Motherboard paired with Crucial DDR4 Pro and MSI RTX3060 12GB. No issues at all.
how about cpu temps?
@gtf2584 I am using thermal right aqua elite v2 360 liquid cpu cooler. It's doing well cooling the cpu. Max temp during gaming 82C only for 1-2 secs but average is between 65C to 71C during gaming and while no gaming between 39C up to 62C. The cpu generates a lot of heat. It's very powerful. I scored 21k on cinebench 2023.
@@eliascence ya thats pretty similar temps that im getting our only difference i have noctura air cooling u have liquid the threshold for these is 95c then they clock down i still can tbelieve these temps are normal in this day and age i recall the first time i seen my idle temp
@@gtf2584 Hello, The CPU produces lot of heat. I never tried to install an air cooler. Its best in my opinion to install AIO liquid CPU cooler at least 240 with double fans. I bought two days ago NZXT Kraken 240 - RL-KN240-B1 - 240mm AIO CPU Liquid Cooler and I wanted to check if it reduces the heat in gaming. I am seeing similiar temp as 360mm Thermal Right Aqua Elite Cpu cooler.
@@gtf2584 I own myself i7-14700KF and its run way hotter than r9 5900x and it consumes a lot more power around 274Watts max. The architecture of Intel is different but when all cores are working cpu gets too hot around 90C and above.
Yep I just got myself one new for silly money and it is fantastic
Im getting a 4070 super to go with my 5800x soon. I guess with an AM4 motherboard like mine, that's probably gonna be hitting my PC build's limit either way.
5700x3d
I just upgraded today to one for $180 then sold my 3700x for $70
would a ryzen 5900x beok with a 4060 ? i planing too upgrade my old streaming uses a ryzen 5 3600 and gtx 1080ti ando nly 32 gb so i am upgrading too a smaller case and new microatx board from a atx boardand my gmaing rig i use a dual pc setup uses a ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6600 gpu so yea also my gmaing rig will be my new stremaing rig and my 4060 and ryzen 9 will be my gaming . my friend uses the same pc i use ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6600 his streams looks good
Hey got a question I got a amd ryzen 5 2500x and my gpu is a rtx 3060 ti I am planing on buying this cpu cuz I dont want to upgrade to am5 rn would that be a good decision?
very good decision
Even a 5600x would be a huge improvement, the nice thing about the 5600x is it's low TDP thus a air cooler like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 can keep this CPU nice and cool (it's what I use on my 5600x build, I use AIO on my 5900x build). I went from a 2700x to a 5600x and the 5600x blew the 2700x out of the water. Just check with you motherboard model to make sure there is a BIOS update that supports the Ryzen 5000 series CPUs. :)
I don’t think for gaming, one needs more than the RTX 4070, with this CPU would be an excellent gaming system. I don’t understand why did you choose the latest and greatest in GPU with this wonderful CPU. We have other things to spend on, right ?
RTX 3080Ti is faster than a 4070 and the rest of the 4070 series
I'm planning on upgrading to a Ryzen 9 9950X since the 5900X holds my 4090 back a lot at 4k, I never see 99% usage 😂
Why do people buy $2k gpus with a $250-300 cpu? You should've gotten a 4080 super instead with ryzen 7 7800x3d
Unless you do productivity but I see why you went for 5900x because of 12 cores like me
Just nabbed a ‘for parts or not working’ 5900x on eBay. Works totally fine. $80.
I got the same cpu overclocked with PBO2 but i dont have a motherboard with dynamic OC switcher where i could benefit from all core OC and the single core PBO OC.
I play 4k gaming and I own 3600 at the moment, do you recommend 5900 or 5800x3d ?
If you don't do much aside from gaming, go for the 5800x3D.
Everything else like editing and a bunch of productivity tasks, then the 5900X.
What does bottleneck mean? And why does it linked to specific graphics card?
Bottleneck happens to all CPU’s and GPU’s. It’s when a part of the computer is holding another back, not giving as much performance as it should.
Hola, crees que voy a poder correr pubg de manera fluida con un r9 5900x, placa de video rx 6700 xt y 64 de ram a 3600mhz.. en 1080p? alcanzaré los 144fps o 240? me estoy por comprar esa configuracion y no sé si me servirá para competitivo..
Unless you are gonna do video editing downgrade to a 5800x and upgrade gpu to a 6750xt
But just get a ryzen 5900x with rx 6700xt it is perfectly fine
nice video. i installed 5900x on my old b350f mb about 1 year ago . its paired with 6950xt card and 32gb running 3200mhz. 800 psu .'
and i dont think its running like it should . is my motherborad to weak you think ?
The processor and video card work with PCIE 4.0 and the motherboard is PCI E 3.0, you are not getting its full potential
@@makotoshishio8294 HAH you are absolutly right. im just an idiot i guss :D thx alot ill be upgrating mb now :D
You need a B550 or X570 board to get PCIE 4.0. Ram should be 3600 CL14 (Samsung B-die). Low latency ram at 3600 or 3800 with SAM with a negative curve optimizer (-10 to -15) will maximize frames from that chip. I ran a 5900X until I upgraded to the 7800X3D.
Ryzen 9s also prefer motherboards with heftier VRMs. Sounds like the motherboard is bottlenecking the processor aside from it being PCIe 3.0.
Your motherboard WILL die trying to power a 5900x. It doesn't have the VRM set up for it. That's why it's acting weird, you already have something failing. It can't supply the same voltage as it did in the beginning.
You need a B550/x570 to handle a 5900x hitting 142 watts stock for extended periods. And if you're using PBO, there's no way it's able to handle the 200 watts with a 180 amp EDC limit that it can pull. It can pull more with a higher limit, too.
AFAIK 50% GPU 50% CPU “bottleneck” means perfect config balance!
Any balance shift is also OK as long as FPS numbers are acceptable.
This “bottleneck” means how much CPU and GPU time was spent to render the frame.
Can’t agree with you on “probably you shouldn’t pair 5900x with 4090”
Based on what i saw in your video You can pair it with 4090 and you will get additional performance compared to, for example, 4080. We don’t have any dramatic CPU bottleneck. Ok, may be you wanna run cs2 on 360Hz monitor then yes. But 244 is still VERY DECENT for anyone except REAL PRO players.
My opinion: 5900x holds strong to this day (Q4 2024) and could be used with 4090
would upgrading to the 5900x be worth it? it is currently £240 which is an absolute steal. i currently have a ryzen 5 3600 paired with a regular 3050. i also have a 240hz monitor and struggle to get a consistent frame rate above 200. would anybody recommend this upgrade?
Yes it will be worth it I have both.
Wich Benchmark is this you are using (snow scene)?
Gears 5
No DLSS enabled? Best config with ram for me was cl14 3600mhz 4x8gb oced to cl14 3800mhz 4x8gb.
I upgraded 5900x to 5800x3d for gaming, and 5900x was used to second PC like, truenas, steaming, etc...
I will upgrade to zen 5 or zen6 if they have 100% performance rise.
And how do you feel both?. I have both but i want to keep one. Whats the best with your experience?
@@pacificostriker When I played online games(or bad optimize games like EFT), the 5800X3D was better.
But at the most time, both of them aren't much different in 2K resolution.
I will keep X3d just for games.
Got one for $240usd! Good way to upgrade from Ryzen 5 2600x on the cheap
really feels like a LOT of the bottlenecking here is due to poorly threaded games on the devs' ends
It’s 2024 I just got a 9 5900x bec my ryzen 5 3600 is bottlenecking and I probably had an overheat problem but fixed to late
None of the tech tubers say anything about more cores equallying smoother frame times in unreal engine 5. It is so much better with more cores. A 12 core is night and day versus a six core and a 16 core is night and day versus a 12 core. The 7800X3D and 5800X 3D get more frames but their frame time is stuttery compared to the 16 core older chip or even the 12 core older chip. Test it for yourself. It's crazy that nobody brings that up and it makes such a huge difference when it comes to playability in first descendant for example.
with a 4070 the 5900x is pretty much perfectly fine. I don't see a reason to upgrade for maybe another gen. The 7 8 and 9k series of ryzen dont offer enough of a reason over it. Especially with the cost of moving to the AM4 platform with new mobo, ram AND CPU. Not worth for me until probably the 10/11k ryzen series where it might be worth to jump from 5900x to the am5 8k series.
You didn’t brother to bench like cities skylines
I use the 5900x for IA and it is enough
My 5900x 32gb 6700xt runs ultra and im always top 5 or 1st ! Good internet service & monitor 😅
if you have money for 4090 you will not combine it with zen3 cpus ., even entry r5 7500f for 180$ wipe the floors in gaming with 5950x easilly
Cope harder
@@GAmerJUM you must cope harder if you have brain, obviously you don't have it
@@GAmerJUMlol it is, 5900 = 5600 in games
My 5900x is already shipping to me. It's going to be better than my 5600 non-X because I need those extra cores as a streamer. I use 6800XT GPU, so I need that x264 software encoding as for now.
5900x has dated fairly quick. will still manage but a good bit is being left on the table
Zen 3 is from 2020.
@@saricubra2867 Yes?
its fine with rtx 3000 cards and up to rtx 4070 maybe or 7800xt
Damn, should I feel bad for JUST upgrading my 5700x to 5900x to pair with my 3070?
No, man, 5900X is a great CPU, you'll have enough for the next years.
I play on i7 4770k and i don't see no point to upgrade. I only buy the new rtx cards
Can someone suggest what cooler fan I use? for that Ryzen 9 5900x? I have 4060gpu
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120
He mentioned a good one. The Fuma 2 rev b also cools it super easily. And the noctua equivalent dual stack air cooler is also far more than enough.
I use a Fuma 2. Zero issues. 195 watts ain't a thing.
I'm going to be doing more productivity and a little light gaming I'm going to go with the 5900x and probably a 7900 GRE. I want to stay on the am4 platform. Cuz I don't want to buy all new equipment. To me that's just wasteful
I really don’t want to be mean, but for a game like AC Mirage you clearly can see that the CPU is not the issue if the utilisation is around 40%. And I think the biggest bottleneck in these games was RAM if you had 16GB of it. I have a 1600x (planning on buying 5900x) and 4060 and 16GB DDR4 which is being utilized 100% for most of those titles you showed, so it’s clearly a RAM issue. I think you’d have more fps if you had 32GB.
what the hell do you mean. if the game ran at over 100 fps at 1440p ultra wide then the answer is yes.
Why would any one ever spend $3000 AUD for a 4090 to run it in low 1080p.
The answer to this is No the 5900x does not bottle neck the GPU and the CPU is still viable for modern gaming.
I would say, should you buy a 4090 if you are not using to make money? Probably not.
GPU and CPU are both around 50% so where I see which is bottleneck and why? I play with AMD 5900x and RTX 3090 and have for me enough fps. Upgrading the 5900x would be better before going after new GPU but then I should switch to AM5 with :-(
GPU should always be at 95-100%. Any less and there is CPU bottleneck
oh ok. I have some no looking games even new games I got only 70 fps with 60-80% GPU usage. I think lot of has to do with bad/poor progamming?
Like "once human" or "No one will survive", they look all the same (same engine and assets) with same performance And all is maxed out in graphic
Damn I would like to try the 7800x3d with my 3090 in same games to see the difference.
this one or 5800x3D to 1080 max settings?
If you only want to play at 1080 then x3d has no competition.
Overclock the damn thing - 4.6ghz all cores
where is Star Citizen, an unoptimized incredibly CPU intensive game?
The point you are making makes little sense to me. Who buys a 4090 or 7900XTX to game in1080p? In 1440p a 5900x would be much less of a bottleneck and decent pairing.
Even much more so in 4k where the 5900x would have little problem in bottlenecking those high end GPU´s
with zen3 cpus i would not go with cards above rtx 3080-3090 with them or 4070 at max or 7800xt
Blows my mind people spend $1600 for Titan GPUs that aren't even meant for gaming.
Nvidia really took customers for a ride renaming the Titan lineup to the 90 series.
Yet the fools line up to buy this stuff no wonder Nvidia keeps reporting record profits.
Since the 3000 series the only decent cards were the 3080's with 3090's being misrepresented and anything under a 80 series being junk
Same is true with the 4000 series only worse, only decent card is the 4080 with anything under not even PCI x16 junk.
My 1080 Ti from 2017 runs circles around any of the 3000 series short of the 3080 and even that isn't a huge improvement.
Still running a 1080Ti too... Starting to show its age a bit in some newer games but prices are too insane to "upgrade"
@@mgtruckin yup I had bought a 3070 Ti and to be honest any improvement to the 1080 Ti wasn’t noticeable least in the games I play. I’m sure it’s better at 4k but with only 8GB vram it’s gonna max that out fast.
The 3080 is better but not really by much. Bought what was supposed to be the 12GB variant which for me would hold me over easy 5 years as I’m looking to upgrade to 1440p but instead was sent the regular 10GB version which in 2023 for a 80 series card is just pathetic. Had wanted to just get a 3080 Ti but not for the prices they still ask for them. Not my fault someone was dumb enough to pay $2000-$3000 for it few years ago.
Thinking of just getting rid of both and just keeping the 1080 Ti, works great and runs a lot cooler than the 3080 does.
never buy a 5900x or 5950x if you plan on just gaming better to just get a 5800x3d unless you you plan to do core extensive stuff
Not true at all. You can easily pair the 4090 with 5900X but it only makes sense at 4k. Anything lower will bottleneck even with the fastest cpu out there. Resolution presented here is some 21:9 widescreen variant which is not even close to 4k load on your gpu. At 4k you are mostly gpu limited but 4090 for sure is pushing the boundaries even at such a high resolution. A lot of people have this combination including myself and the framerates at 4k are basically identical to 7800X3D in most cases. Of course 7800X3D is much faster no doubt about it but it will show only on lower resolutions or in some really cpu intensive games. Most of the times it is 0 to 5% difference. 1% lows are for sure a thing here but nothing groundbreaking. I was actually amazed how it can hadle 4090 either undervolted, stock or heavily overclocked. Your best bet now is AM5 with 7800X3D with later path to ryzen 9000. I would already grab that but I just want the latest chipset coming with ryzen 9000. Then sell my 4090 and replace it with 5090. If the rumours are true and the uplift is yet again another 50 to 60 or even 70% I am all in....Shame that AMD is leaving the high end for the next gen. The 5090 will be unchallenged like 4090 nowdays.
complaining cpu bottleneck 14% with 4090. Give me a break...
What cooling do you guys use?? I just bought a 5900x over 5800x3d bc I do a lot of vfx/animation work for college. I am upgrading froma r5 3600. I am also changing my case to a SSUPD Meshroom S with a ATX board so can only use a 240mm AIO.
I use Corsair iCUE H150i Elite Capellix Liquid CPU Cooler, RGB Pump + Fans, 360mm for Radiator
@@EggyBartolomeiI ordered a Corsair iCUE H100i Elite CAPELLIX XT 240mm. Do you think this will be enough?
noctua D15
@@ObamaBenAladdin I think work, I only go for 360 cuz my room temp is hot all time. Puerto Rico.
I have it cooled by a arric liquid freezer 240, does the job well
Well it is a 3--4 year old cpu now so of course it will be giving less frames when paired with a brand new extreme high end gpu like the 4090. Lol
Dude its only 1 gen behind current
but use completely different architecture and slot supports@@AMRsti93
Am5 cane out 1month before the 4090, not sure if that even counts as 4090 being new sinds it came out oktober 2022 .
How the hell do you bottleneck that shit LOL! XDDD
I have 5900x with 4090 Strix OC and it works like a charm, u use to play in 4K but also ofc played in 1080p and 1440p, there is something wierd in ur build if thats ur numbers xD
Sounds like he's using 1x 16GB stick of DDR4 RAM. Which is stupid if correct. He couldn't wait to get another stick? I feel like I'm looking at single channel results
Should i go with 5900x or 5800x? I am building my pc currently. I am in btn these two cpus. And what GPUs should i pair?.
I will basically game at 1080p(most of the time)/1440p and some browsing and ms office here and there.
If would build a PC now, I'd go for the 7900x and get a motherboard with AM5 socket. More future proof.
But I'm currently running a 5900x and The ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero motherboard. Built at the end of 2020. So not worth the upgrade.
5800x3d bro and dont look back
@@Goobstank its an am4 i think with no upgrade opportunities in the future i suppose, but its a beast of a cpu, what gpu should i go for? Won't it be ideal if i go for something supporting the am5?
@@BrianJ. I am also leaning toward 5900x as it is a monster, you wont meed to upgrade it for a few years if you game at 1080p or 1440p if paired with a good gpu, but what you said is true, and beneficial in the long run. What gpu do you recommend?
@@sujoypatra795 The 5900x is perfectly fine for 4k as well. You are mostly GPU bound at 4k resolution.
But still I'd prefer an AM5 socket motherboard and a 7900x, If I were to build a PC right now. For the reason I mentioned.
As for the GPU, go for Nvidia. If you have the money, a 4080.
But If I were you, I'd buy a used 3080ti, which is financially a way smarter thing to do. The price of a newest gen GPU is not justified IMO. Save yourself that money. Especially if you game at 1440p or below. Those prices drop really fast everytime a newer card is released.
its basically a 5600x..not a very fast gaming chip..5900x is a bit faster then the 56000x..it is a really a excelllant workhorse cpu for the price..i never had a stutter , bottle neck or any game performance issues when paired with my 3070ti..chewing through major tasks rapidly and efficiently is its real purpose..i love it...cpus must be paired logically with gpus also...a 4090?..try a 3080 to see its actual potential in real time..not to mention the crappy poorly optimized new games that adversely affect cpu's and gpus...what a scam....they are the main culprits..and of course nvidia the scalpers and their co-parts..the piratte game platforms and developers.
oh are you talking about new world lol
...what was the point of this? also, what the hell is up with your choice of game? some of the games you tested can't even properly utilize all this CPUs cores. not to mention: nobody buys this for gaming. the 5800x3d is a better choice. this is for people that need more CPU cores.
I have a rx 7900xt and ryzen 9 5900x. On full hd u clearly get a cpu bottleneck. So ill switch to 2k monitor any time.
Also got a 4k 60hz monitor were i lock the frames to 70fps. All good for me
Had the same problem
Muh bottlenecks. It's still a really good cpu
Remember, the 5900x has two core complexes that communicate with each other via an "infinity fabric". "Infinity fabric" clocking plays an important role in this type of processor. The larger they are, the more efficiently and faster the cores will communicate with each other. This plays a big role in games that use multiple cores and distribute their work over two core complexes.
Why would you test a 5900X, a (today) budget workstation CPU, with an RTX4090?
No shit it's gonna bottleneck.
A more realistic test would have been with something like RTX4070/ti/7800XT.
How much more FPS would you get from a 7900X compared to 5900X with one of those cards?
If you're gonna spend all that money on a 4090, of course it's worth it to upgrade to a better CPU, but do you really need the latest and greatest to take full advantage of your mid range card?
The reason I tested this was because it’s my current setup.
@@JoshRicci I'd think a 5900X and 6590 XT would be a great combo. Or a 5800X3D and a 6950 XT.
The 4090 is a pure 'beast' and I'm not sure AMD has a CPU in their lineup strong enough for it, but I don't know. Honestly I haven't kept up with Intel that much.