@@filippetrovic845 diminishing returns, that's a good way to spend more than you need to. you spent the extra for the CPU, why not extra for higher speed ram and a higher quality monitor and faster SSD and a better motherboard... and it goes on and on
@TheGreatYakub-uk1ij your mid range isn't some else's mid ranged pc, amd those Iarge purchase for little to no performance gain is the difference between a mid ranged and high end pc
@@davidnott_ Totally agreed, those Hardware Unboxed videos are so annoying. "Look at the difference with a 7800X3D and a 4090 at 500p minimum settings!"
@@davidnott_ 100% this. Thanks for making videos with real settings people will actually play at. Nobody cares about the difference between 500fps vs 600fps at 1080p minimum settings, it's literally worthless data. The 80fps vs 70fps on ultra maxed settings with RT are where people will actually try and play. If that means the diff between a $100 CPU vs a $300 CPU are negligible, that's still far more useful than the meaningless numbers other channels put out.
@@Glx-u7e that data is not worthless, those benchmarks at 1080p show what those cpus are capable of running at full speed, The same numbers you get at 1080p is the same numbers you get at 4k, if you had a fast enough gpu. also they show the 1% lows and how they perform. IF the cpu can push 100 fps at 1080p it can do 100 fps at 4k. so not worthless.
I switched from 5600 to 5800X3D only after purchasing the 7900 XTX. I'm playing in 4K and I can see that the CPU change was not as necessary as I thought
Thanks for mentioning it because I was thinking to do the same upgrade of CPU's. Since a 4080 makes the fps differences bigger, I doubt it'll be beneficial for me with a 6700XT. I was convinced a 5800X3D would give a massive boost but that doesn't seem to be the case overall.
@@Yoda300YearsAgo I just went from an i7-9700 to a 7800x3d and think it was 100% worth it. A lot of games were pushing my 9700 to 100% even at 4k and having micro stutters, so much smoother now. Baldurs Gate 3 and Elden Ring for example run WAY better at 4k now.
I had it before too, its a pretty nice combo (even if i changed it for a 5800x3d lmao) but it depends of the game very often, ngl on games like Battlefield V and Cyberpunk 5600x struggles a lot, but in other games it runs perfectly smooth
@@pR0ManiacSWhich one do you think the x version can take up to? I was planning on getting a 7900 GRE. And MAYBE getting a new CPU afterwards… But not sure, I want a good GPU but not one that will be too much for current CPU. I do 1080p 240hz
@@croih bro for 1080p 240 i suggest you taking just a 7700xt and going to 5700x3d/5800x3d If You want the Best. Gre won't make a difference in my opinion as your games are heavy relying on your cpu. 5600x in 1080p bottlenecks even 7800xt. It will hold back your 7900gre like it's Something in between 7700xt and 7800xt. So get the 7700xt now instead and also upgrade your cpu like pretty soon If not now cause u have money. For fortnite get Nvidia. For cod mandatory AMD. For counterstrike upgrade your cpu fast. For single players also AMD. 5800x3d still a king of cpu for next years it barely bottlenecks 4080s i don't like 5700x3d as its just a worse bining of 5800x3d. Also If You can find a 3080ti used for around 400€ don't think as it is an older gpu is a potent gpu that can be bought on Nice money. It's like a 4070/4070s but with Nice connector that won't burn your PC. Takes a 750w gold psu.
It’s a great value chip if you’re already on AM4. If I were building from scratch I would probably go AM5, but seeing as I already had the ram and the motherboard, it was a nice affordable upgrade, relatively speaking…
@@davidnott_ currently running a 5600 and got a 7800xt to take place of my 3060. what cpu would you recomand me to get as the bottleneck will be obvious ? i was having the 5700x3d in mind
@@antoineb769 i have 5700x3d this is cheap and great CPU I recommend this CPU for GPU np. 4070TS, 4080S, 7900XTX this is great CPU without bottleneck I check it i have gigabyte aero 4080S
5800x with 4080s with 4k120hz monitor and can max out the refresh rate native in most games I play near ultra by tweaking a couple things like shadows and ambient occlusion down a bit. I doubt I'll need a 3D chip on am4 until I upgrade my whole system
@@montgomeryfitzpatrick473 I will say that guys like us are definitely skirting the edge of bottlenecking our GPUs lol. Newer games, my CPU is SCREAMING. Like Gray Zone Warfare and other UE5 stuff.
People really underestimate how important 1%/0.1 low are. This is where to look at if you wanna see if something is running smoothly. So while the average can be the same with both CPU, if you get 15/20 more fps in the 1%low, it means the game is running better (much better actually).
Finally someone who can review cpus. Not like the channels where they benchmark a cpu with ultra settings and then cant tell the difference between 100 dollar cpu and a 300 dollar cpu.
If you care about RT (I do and had the 5600X), I really recommend getting a 5700X3D. It's a difference between constant annoying drops to below 60 and a very, very silky smooth experience. I had my 5600X for years, got a 4090 last year, recently got a 5700X3D because the experience was disappointing (even at 4K). In games like: Cyberpunk, Witcher 3, Dragon's Dogma 2, Ghostwire Tokyo, Spiderman, Watch Dogs Legion, Hogwarts Legacy, even non RT, but infamously demanding games from the recent past like Deus Ex Mankind Divided and Dishonored 2; the difference is night and day.
Interesting. I have the 5600x. I do not want to basically do a new build. I bought the 5900x but have not opened it yet. Still trying to figure out if it is worth upgrading
I upgraded from a 5600X to 5800X3D and found that it can push higher refresh rates much more comfortably. With the 5600X I would get the occasional frame drop, but the 5800X3D is rock solid when holding those higher frames.
@Greggoryyyou enjoy throwing money in the garbage I take it? That CPU is a steaming pile of garbage, a 5800X destroys it stock. Lock it at max boost all core and it destroys it even more.
I have a 5800x. I was conflicted about if it was worth getting the 3d version. Undervolted and overclocked the 5800x, now it's roughly 10-15% faster than stock. No more fomo for me, haha.
I appreciate the video. I just upgraded from a R7 1700 and was stressing between a 5700x3D and a 5800x. Ultimately I decided to go with a 5600x and throw the extra cash to a better video card to replace my AMD 580. This video showed me it would be nice to have the extra power of a 5800x3D, but the much cheaper 5600x gets me most of the way there in the 1440 60Hz or 4K 60Hz my monitor and TV operate it. I'm not looking so much at max FPS, but more concerned about a bottleneck at 3k or 4k gaming.
0:36 Need to overclock that 5800X3D at 1.28V and 4500MHz. The auto overclock leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think there are CPU's on the market that can push these GPU's to their limits in low 1080P. I've tried explaining this to people. Don't buy 4000 series if you want 1080p or even 1440p, and the burden only gets worse when you turn on DLSS and Framegen. I've honestly been suggesting people pick up a 3090 since the 24GB of vram will keep its value and just enjoy themselves for 550 dollars, resell it when you're ready for like 300-350. There you go, you just spent about 200 dollars instead of losing 5-600$.
Great video. I went from a 5600x to a 5800x3d and overall gaming now feels "smoother". I'm not sure how to quantify it in a benchmark. The 5600x is still an awesome (now budget) cpu in 2024.
As always, if ur on AM4 already, an upgrade might be worth it, if u encounter bottlenecks or stutters (Id probably go for a 5600x3D or 5700x3D if available). If not, go for AM5 or wait for the 9000 series even. I own a 5800x3D paired with a 7900xtx nitro+ and I got it especially for Star Citizen back then, which benefits a ton from the extra V-cache (I had a 5600G, 5500 basically, bought it during the insane mining times). Additionally all the micro stutters in some other games were gone and FPS is general are very stable with the 5800x3D.
I find your videos very interesting. I bought a 5700X3D a short while ago because I also bought myself an Asus TUF Gaming RX 7800 XT. Aswell as a 165Hz freesync 1440p screen. Coming from a 5600x. I wanted to be sure I had the least possible bottleneck for my new RX 7800 XT. My 5600x will go into a secondary rig. And my third rig has an R5 5500GT CPU. AM4 is not dead. 5700X3D/5800X3D rivals AM5 R5 7600x and R7 7700X for gaming performance specifically. For AM5 you need to go for 7800X3D to really beat the 5700X3D/5800X3D by a good margin (for gaming). Best case scenario 30% better performance.
The rule of thumb is, the lower the resolution you play at, while chasing high fps, the more a CPU will bottleneck a GPU. If you're a 1080p gamer and want super high fps like 240 or something depending on your monitor, then you'll notice a big difference with upgrading your CPU if you already have a mid to high end GPU like a 4070 at least. If you're gaming at 2K resolution and aim for lower fps like 150-ish, then you'll notice some improvement when upgrading a CPU. If you're gaming on 4K like me, and your aim at single player games is "as long as it feels perfectly smooth I'm happy", which is anything above 70-80 stable fps, and in multiplayer games you're aiming at 144fps for a 144hz refresh rate, then you really won't feel much difference in CPU upgrades, as long as your CPU is not really horrible. At 4K, you're GPU bound, and a CPU bottleneck as such stops existing. There's literally a couple of fps between a R5 5500 and a 5700X3D, I know because I made that jump. The only significant boost was not in average or peak fps, but in lowest 1% fps, basically the occasional (very, very rare) micro-stutter in some games doesn't happen anymore. Point being, don't spend money on a more expensive MBO and CPU, buy a more expensive GPU.
great video, not many address the AM4 CPU performance differences. Would be interested to see the same done with some "lesser" GPU's to see if 1080 differences are more significant. Thanks again
The industry standard for reviewing CPUs for gaming is so ridiculous, it made me think I need to upgrade my CPU to be able to enjoy games at 4k. I am looking to buy a 4k display and the price on 5800x3d is going up at the moment (if I can even find it). Watching your video helped me realize that I can use the whole budget towards the display, so many thanks for that! 😁
CPU's are generally reviewed to show relative performance between each other. They are tested at 1080p for the most part because if the GPU is a bottleneck (as it would be at 4k), it doesn't show the true performance of the CPU.
@jondySauce I understand that... I also understand that testing at 1440p and 4k would effectively triple the time it takes to test every CPU, and it's just not worth the trouble for reviewers. But as more and more people are moving towards these resolutions, they should at least test 2-3 games, which are known to be CPU intensive, and another 2-3 which are GPU intensive, all at 1440p and 4k, to show if an upgrade is worth the money at those resolutions. Seeing is believing, and it's ridiculous that people like me (casual gamers, who mostly play single-player games and want, for the most part, an immersive experience) have to watch hours of testing at 1080p from reputable reviewers and not find even a mention of performance at 4k. Then I have to go on an internet rabbit hole on various forums, where I will see no data and a lot of 'trust me, bro' comments. It's also hilarious how reputable reviewers have started to do 1440p and 4k testing, but in a spiteful way. They will show the data and complain about viewers not understanding the logic behind their methodology at every step, while the truth is that gamers like me, for the most part, want to make sure that a CPU upgrade would actually improve their experience. I guess that sooner or later, they will see their 1080p testing videos will start to not get as many views as before and will have to adjust their methodology accordingly.
How is the utilisation on gpu? I got base 2080 + 2700x need to upgrade the cpu for the last push till i do full build on 60 series in 2027 You think 5700x3d overkill for base 2080? I game on 1080p 144
It’s interesting to see your stats for a 5600X in Cyberpunk, and compare the difference between your 4080 Super and my 4070 TI Super. I use custom graphics settings, so it’s not 100% the same, but my 4070 TI Super is choking at 97% at 1440 when I crank the ray tracing up, and your 4080 Super still has some air to breathe. I really didn’t want to shell out the additional cash for a 4080 Super… but it probably would have been worth it for me.
Thanks David for the side bye side comparison. I actually have the Micro Center 5600X3D example and was seriously thinking about a RTX 4070 Super paired with it. (1440p gaming) I figure the extra cache will close the gap between the 8 core variant. Cheers!
Unless the game features 8 core utilization. 5600X3D actually isn't far off 5800X3D It's the second fastest of AM4 X3D variants. Faster than 5700 X3D on average due to higher clock speed.
@@armschoolc32 Yes, The benchmarks in games shows that 5800X3D has very little benefit in most situations except some fringe CPU bound scenarios. I personally would buy the 5800X3D for its 2 core and 4 more threads if on AM4. I got the MIcro Center deal with motherboard and ram for $299.00 and couldn't resist its price.
Went from a 5800x to a 5800x3d and for a bunch of games I play that are more CPU heavy, yes it made a huge difference. Non 3d CPUs struggle with some games like crazy. So it's dependant on what you play. Hell let loose went from 70 fps and bad 1% lows to tops of 150 fps and smooth game play. On a 3080 10 gb, same with cyber punk on 1440p at pretty much max settings in both games
Im confused...on Gray Zone 1080 EPIC, you said the CPU was having an impact on the 5600X meaning that it might be bottlenecking the GPU, if that were true wouldnt the CPU be at 100% the whole time? Normally if the CPU AND GPU are not reaching 100% this means they are well paired doesnt it?
the 5800x3D is kind of a whole another beast from the 5600x, that extra cache makes a huge difference in many games. Not to say this comparison is unfair but the 3D is kind of in a class of its own.
Bud that 5800X3D is a steaming pile of garbage. Would think by now people would have figured it out but I guess not. You want worse gaming performance buy a 5800X3D You want worse productivity buy a 5800X3D Want your PC to just work buy Intel.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ mate this is just a comparison between 2 amd cpus and you come barging in boasting about intel, I doubt any of us care. We are just am4 owners seeing if it's worth it to upgrade to a 5800x3d, and we just don't care about intel in this scenario. Also not sure how 5800x3d is worse at gaming than an intel cpu.. but okay lol
I run a 5600x and an undervolted RTX 4090 on a 750w power supply. Call me mad but its a beast of a 4k machine for the power consumption. I might get a 9800x3d or an intel 15700k in the future.
Thanks for the video. I run triple 1080P screens for sim racing with a 5600X and 3060Ti. Have been looking at GPU upgrades but wasn’t sure I would see any benefit if I stayed on 5600X. The difference is much less than I thought it would be.
im also curious how the 5600x holds its own against the 5800x3d at 4k ultra RT in cyberpunk..What was the graphics preset set to? Im assuming DLSS was off since you arent a fan.
I just got a 4080 super and cyberpunk was using 100% of my 5600x at times, it holds its own well tho it just starts to be brought down at certain moments and doesn’t have the extra horsepower a higher core count and v cache would have in the game
Good test, 5600x or 5800x/5900x/5950x with tuned bdie ram will come to spitting distance within 5800x3d. 5800x3d is great for people who dont tune their systems but imo 5900x or 5950x with tuned bdie is much better option than 5800x3d, 5600x is a bit low on core count, some games do like to have 8 cores these days
True. And not only with B-dies. Well tuned E-dies are not that much slower, as well as modern RAM with 3600MHz/CL16 XMP (based on Hynix D-die, for example). Most of these kits can easily achieve 3800MHz/CL16. Plus, with non-3D CPUs you can use Curve Optimizer and raise core clock by 200MHz, which brings another 2-3% bump.
Just upgraded from a 5600X to a 5700X3D, I play at 1440p ultrawide and was planning to get a 5070 or 5080 next year, thanks for the comparison now I feel reassured about it 😊
So older gpu like base rtx2080 5700x3d overkill? For 1080p 144fps Would the 5600x or 5700x be better options as am assuming these cpu would push 2080 to 90s% utilisation Am doing final upgrade to my PC cpu as am skipping 50 series upgrade and doing a full build in 2027 on series 60 around 4k 240 oled monitor
I'm really pleased I stumbled across this video. I finally got enough spare cash to go an buy a 5800x3d to replace my 5600X...the week they discontinued it and everybody had - of course - sold out. So I was pretty cheesed off. So I went looking for 5700x3d v 5600X reviews and found your videos. It would seem that my fixation on getting a 5800 was misplaced and I would be far better upgrading my GPU from a 6650XT (I knew I would need to do that anyway to be honest). I mainly play iRacing, in 1080p on a single monitor. I think I may be better looking at some variant of the 4070. Any thoughts?
5800X3D in Australia is $499 but Ryzen 7600 is $299 and offers similar /better/worse depending on title. 5800X3D is great but 7000 series IPC pulls its weight and is cheaper by $200 you can throw at the GPU.
People should not forget the cheaper 5700X3D option as well. There is also 5600X3D, but that cpu is a rare one. But if 5600X3D was actually easy to get, i think that cpu could be an incredable cpu for gaming. NOt as fast af 5700X3D/5800X3D. But that 3D cashe does matter in games alone.
i'm always curious as to the decision to include titles like "starfield" and "gray zone warfare" in a test like this, as both seem to be relatively unoptimized - especially in regards to cpu performance. it almost feels like you are testing the game's performance more than the performance of the cpu in-game, if that makes any sense. i know starfield has received some updates to help with this, but it still seems like typical "bethesda optimization." games like fh5, cs2, & cp2077 make more sense to me since they tend to utilize given resources in a more predictable - and often consistently scalable - manor. other than showing real-world application for sake of user expectation, is there any benefit in a cpu test to use those two specific games, or am i missing something (which is absolutely possible)? thanks for the content, i really am appreciative - even when i have what might be considered dumb questions, lol.
@@echo5827 because of the title of the video, i thought the point of the video was whether or not a 5600x will bottleneck high-end gpus, not to see how it performs in unoptimized early access titles. just seems like a strange choice for this video in particular. it isn't worthless data, for sure! it just seems kind of irrelevant to the point of the video.
I recently gave my 3070 to my nephew who's PSU died and took his 1080 with it, Ive been wanting to build a new system, but I've been hamstrung with the 3070's 8gb vram, So i was needing a total rebuild. Now with this video I can see I will bottleneck my next gpu for awhile, but thats fine with me. 7900xtx will feel much nicer when gaming at 1440p ultra and will work even better once I upgrade the rest of the system by Christmas 2024. Waiting on the newer AMD stuff as I'm hoping for a newer chipset in additiion to the newer CPUs. 5600x (100%) 5800x3d(130%)7600(135%)7800x3d(150%) is about how i see it roughly speaking.
Did you ever upgrade to the 7900xtx? I choose specifically to go with a cheaper 3080 for the main reason that I didn’t think I would run up against vram limits and I felt more comfortable being able to resell it in a year or so compared to amd.
Hi dude, thanks for the video. I was gonna upgrade to zen 5 but will probably go from 5600x to 5700x3d and wait a bit longer. Got a 7900xt and play in 4k mostly, it's the 1 & 0.1% lows I'm interested in improving so this video was helpful.
im running my 5800x3d on a very bad ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 and it works fine. If you can boot up with 1 stick try getting the bios update on a usb stick and just update your bios. will probably fix it
@@Puwpl actually I found out that the problem was just that I couldn't see anything before Windows. The bios/pre-boot screen was being output onto my GTX 1080's DVI port and not the DisplayPort. Luckily someone had answered an old forum post and left a link to an nvidia page for the gpu DisplayPort firmware update. Fixed my issue instantly
@@rasluffi I'm not sure if I can post a link nowadays in YT comments but search google for "NVIDIA Graphics Firmware Update Tool for DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 Displays" and you'll find it immediately Best of luck mate I hope it solves ur issue x
Just upgraded from a 2600 to a 5800x and honestly it made a world of difference, my graphics card is pretty weak (rx 6800) but the massive change in my over all fps and the heavy reduction of stuttering has made everything feels so good.
crazy i have 5600x and 4070s and see nowhere near the frames you are getting on cs2 here at 1080p, yet to test 1440. game can also be choppy and stuttery at times.
I'm not sure why but I'm getting 120 AVG and 100 1% lows at 1080p LOW Settings in this same spot (Starfield), with a slightly undervolted 5800X. I'm not sure if they have improved the game since this video came out
I wonder if they also changed the settings and now LOW is going lower or something, specially with the number of NPCs on screen as that's one of the most CPU hungry setting
75 to 100 fps is 33% increase, which is alot, 8 cores also will be beneficial (sometimes) in the future but the question is whether 5600x can drive highend gfx card, then yes, up to 4070 series its good, super, ti, super ti whatever
Weird, i have an rtx 3090 and 5 5600x and i feel like my performance is maybe 50% less in 1440p than other 3090 benchmarks. Does my 16gb of ram hold it back?
YO! I play doom eternal on 1440p with 12700k and 3080 rog strix, I play on 250 fps cuz that game basically allows you to do things u normally could not do on 144/165 fps or less. My gpu stays on 70-80 percent cuz I play with dlss ON (performance mode) but my cpu stays on 65-70 % sometimes, it is normally on 40-50% but I play with tons of mods and there are so many demons and action on the screen that my cpu reaches 70% usage sometimes, would you say this is a cpu bottleneck?
i have a 5800x and don't realy think i will go to 7000 series , just wait 9000 series. i recently sold my 3080 ti and found an 4080 sh at 850 euros because im in europa.
Just made the jump. To the 7800x3d, it only made sense when I found a 7900xtx for 400 + trade for 3080. At about 1300ish the 5800x3d and 3080 will get you the best value. Just waiting for 1440p to be mainstream we're not quite there as 120fps would be a sweet spot. 4090 is too wasteful at the price point.
In theory, and in numbers, it doesnt make a lot of diference, but in real world feeling it does make a diference going 8 cores with a lot of cache (5700x3d, 5800x3d). I can say this because i've upgraded from a 5600 to a 5700x3d due to a second-hand deal, and i'm realy happy. Cyberpunk is night and day, the last of us aswell. Not sure if it's the extra 2cores/4threads or the extra cache, but i'm realy happy with my € 70 extra investment (from selling one and buying other second hand).
i played red dead redemption in 1440p full max graphics CPU was no where near bottlenecking ive played games like elden ring in max with max ray tracing no bottlencking whatsoever it was never close the cpu is really good actually amazing would really recommend.
Nice video, thanks. Was concerning about same question because i was have 5600 and GTX 1080, but i bought myself a RTX 3080 Ti and i see clear bottleneck in Cyberpunk 2077 into high demanding CPU places like corporate square in center of the Night City. Numbers was like 50-60% GPU load, 80-85% CPU load and fps drop below 60 with full ultra graphics with ray tracing
@marcogalliani279 3440x1440p. If you're getting an RTX 4080 Super, you want a new CPU as the 1% and 0.1% lows would be awful in demanding titles, and when RT is turned on, the CPU would struggle immensely.
Thank you for making this video! I upgraded my 3070 to a 4080 super recently , but i'm still running a 5600X! The 5800X3D prices are insane, so I just ordered a new 5700X3D on aliexpress for £140 including tax! I've just seen a used 5600X sell for £80 on ebay, so its a cheap upgrade!
This! I just did the same, but it was £120 in the black friday sale. Seems a no brainer at current prices and gives some room for a gpu upgrade down the line.
Thank you for this detailed and accurate to actual gaming review of these two processors! I currently have 6700xt with 5600x and I decided I am waiting to just build a new system next year with Rdna4 and am5. I don't know this but I doubt with my gpu a upgrade to 5800x3d is worth my time when I could just save and build a better system all together then. Thank you for the content really helped my decision here. ❤
i have trouble running forza horizon 5, there as been many complaints of the same issue i am having and that is that they seems to be a memory leak somewhere , the track disappears and i get a message saying low streaming bandwidth , have you had any issues? i have a very similar setup to yours i think great video by the way
@@deanchipchase966 use trs is it i think as anti aliasing or dlss on quality I have set everything to high or extreme I have 135-145fps constantly without stutters or something Ayyy that sucks fh5 is nice af
@@deanchipchase966 low streaming bandwith teminds of a setting in Mw3 where it downloads textures and stuff for a better fps stability midgame With it on i have similar problems like you After turning it off never had this issues again
I switched (exchanged) from 5600x to 5900x (and now I don't know how to cool this monster) and the undervolt doesn't work stably, but only the stock works without problems! Apparently I got a really bad stone on the 5900x! Now, paired with the 4070ti, it works great in 3440 1440 resolutions at 144 Hz (the monitor can do 165, but 144 is enough)
As someone who played in 4k, I've visited your video twice since you posted this. The only one that provides numbers on those resolutions! My 5600x is oced to 4.85Ghz, even stock figures performance compare to 5800x3d is not that big unless you play in lower resolution. Probably would jump to am5 next year!
Good video 💪 Many people dont know the higher you go up in resolution the less the cpu actually does. I game at 1440 with a 5600x and a 7800 xt nitro+ no complaints at all.
Star citizen seems to be an outlier in games atm, im running a 5600x and a 6750xt, had to upgrade to 32gig of ram from 16 coz the current build is hammering ram usage, but im seeing most of the time i have 100% cpu usage and 60% gpu usage on high settings at 1440p ..... Wondering if upgrading to a 5900x could be an option to remain on AM4 🤷
while I don't have the 4080 super, I do have the cpu ryzen 5 5600x with gpu being rx 7800 XT and just trying to wrap my head around if I want to upgrade just because of the gpu to get more fps
Im currently asking myself what the difference between the 5800x and the 5800X3D is? I could buy a 5800x for around 140€ or a 5800X3D for 190€. Im wondering what would be better.
Thanks for including an in game test in cyberpunk. The game seems to be very demanding on the cpu, especially in the city. Currently I'm running a 5600x with a 3080 10gb, and I'm thinking about upgrading to a 5800x3d. Do you think it would give me a couple of extra fps in cyberpunk?
@BeingBOTisCareer did you upgrade in the end and if you did how do you find it? I have the same processor and GPU as you and was thinking if it was worthwhile to upgrade tho at 4K, doesn't seem like I'll be missing much except in a handful of games, but still considering to do it as I do plan to upgrade to the 5080 when that comes out eventually.
@@Stuala-gj2bg no I haven't upgraded yet, I'm waiting for the new ryzen generation. Other than cyberpunk, I haven't had an issue with the 5600x, it performs well in other games. ( my definition of well is 100+ fps in single player or 180+ in multiplayer). Upgrading is worth it even at 4k in my opinion, I think Daniel Owen made a video on that but I can't seem to find it rn.
hmm this vid somehow helped me to decide either i will upped my whole system, or just only upped my cpu, i play games, and use blender for fun, trying to upped from rx 6700 xt to 6800, or maybe switch to team green (3080 12 gb)
A couple years ago when I built mine, I chose the 5600x to pair with my 2080, now that I've been running a 4070 for a while I'm finally upgrading to the 5800x3D & hoping to see some nice improvements - - Nvidia Performance Overlay sits between 8 - 10.5 ms average PC latency
Omg I’m also like under the same boat but maybe for different reasons 😂 I’m getting a 4080 non super but I still have 5600x for now until I get money for a good cpu. Needing to know what I can expect from a bottlenecked 4080 since I’m getting mine used(and that’s important so I can know wether to return it or not) I’m assuming I will be getting like 5-10 less frames than these tests since he has a 4080 super? If not let me know with a reply, I will be very grateful 🙏
I too have 4080 and 5600x and not much is lost in terms of performance at 4K and maxed out settings. Hardly 5-10 percent loss if any. Will run 5600x for another 1-2 years before prices on the 5800x co,e down or will buy 9000 series which is coming out soon
You can also check yourself when you game at 4k. check your cpu and your usages., GPU usage should be ideally above 80-90% and CPU should be lesser. If your CPU usage is higher than the GPU then your CPU is slower for your GPU.
This video has good detail, but the comments section is worth its weight in gold, great feedback from everyone. I just purchased a 5700x3d to replace a 5600x. I play at 3440x1440 on a 34" 144hz screen with 6950xt. Although i might not see avg frames increase, the 3d cache will help the 0.1% and 1% lows, which you video proves very well on places. 5600x will go to my son on a cheap a520 mobo as an improvement over his aged i7 3770.
got i5-12400f with 4070super. Similar experience, everything is very smooth at 1440p. Been thinking to get a better cpu... but nah, just fine at the moment.
great video. tried something similar with the 4070 super and a r5 5600 and r5 7500f just to answer if am4 is kind of dead but for my surprise, its not, its still a good gaming cpu and i would have no problem to pair it with an 4070 super. sure the numbers tell a differenz story but the first runs ive done ive expierenced no difference, testet just a few games, ac:o, fortnite, diablo 4, cyberpunk and baldurs gate. the difference was seen in numbers but not how it feels. and the numbers are not that big, this is where preferences kick in. i like the am5 plattform for its good featureset. many b650 boards has 3 nvme slots so u can do a much cleaner build and off course u has some upgrade path. as zen was released ages ago, i jump on it with an r7 1700x switches from a i5 7600k. i used it until the 5000 cpus came out and was blowing away that u can rly feel a difference just bought the 5600 and it holds on, on a testing system. i hope this will happen with am5 i just hold on the 7500f until the next release, so i skip the 9000 series and see whats the deal with the next gen.
My eyes can't see the difference, but my wallet can.
But if you paid over 1k for gpu you can spend 120€ more for better cpu.
@@filippetrovic845 diminishing returns, that's a good way to spend more than you need to. you spent the extra for the CPU, why not extra for higher speed ram and a higher quality monitor and faster SSD and a better motherboard... and it goes on and on
@@rasheeddaley6773 Half of the shit you said has close to zero performance benefits, going for a good mid-range cpu actually does.....
@TheGreatYakub-uk1ij your mid range isn't some else's mid ranged pc, amd those Iarge purchase for little to no performance gain is the difference between a mid ranged and high end pc
@@rasheeddaley6773 A mid range PC is a mid range PC, you say some really dumb stuff!
Thank you for including resolutions/settings which are actually the ones used in real life scenarios.
Glad you liked it!
@@davidnott_ Totally agreed, those Hardware Unboxed videos are so annoying. "Look at the difference with a 7800X3D and a 4090 at 500p minimum settings!"
@@davidnott_ 100% this. Thanks for making videos with real settings people will actually play at. Nobody cares about the difference between 500fps vs 600fps at 1080p minimum settings, it's literally worthless data. The 80fps vs 70fps on ultra maxed settings with RT are where people will actually try and play. If that means the diff between a $100 CPU vs a $300 CPU are negligible, that's still far more useful than the meaningless numbers other channels put out.
@@Glx-u7e that data is not worthless, those benchmarks at 1080p show what those cpus are capable of running at full speed, The same numbers you get at 1080p is the same numbers you get at 4k, if you had a fast enough gpu. also they show the 1% lows and how they perform. IF the cpu can push 100 fps at 1080p it can do 100 fps at 4k. so not worthless.
@@bluetech2809 would you look at that, native 1080 ultra- 1440p and 4k all have the same numbers who would had thought..
I switched from 5600 to 5800X3D only after purchasing the 7900 XTX. I'm playing in 4K and I can see that the CPU change was not as necessary as I thought
Yeah at 4K, it’s going to less noticeable
current AMD gpus have less cpu overhead compared NVIDIA so keep that in mind.
Thanks for mentioning it because I was thinking to do the same upgrade of CPU's. Since a 4080 makes the fps differences bigger, I doubt it'll be beneficial for me with a 6700XT.
I was convinced a 5800X3D would give a massive boost but that doesn't seem to be the case overall.
@@Yoda300YearsAgo I just went from an i7-9700 to a 7800x3d and think it was 100% worth it. A lot of games were pushing my 9700 to 100% even at 4k and having micro stutters, so much smoother now. Baldurs Gate 3 and Elden Ring for example run WAY better at 4k now.
Hola, consulta te parece bien cambiar mi 5600x por un 5700x3d que esta al alcance de mi billetera????? 😅
Gracias
Saludos y éxitos!🎉
EDIT - Already upgraded to am5 + 4070 Ti Super
I have an R5 5600 paired up with RX6800. Nice to see these kind of videos.
Same
I had the same exact build. It's amazing pair it's the max 5600 non x can handle.imo.
I had it before too, its a pretty nice combo (even if i changed it for a 5800x3d lmao) but it depends of the game very often, ngl on games like Battlefield V and Cyberpunk 5600x struggles a lot, but in other games it runs perfectly smooth
@@pR0ManiacSWhich one do you think the x version can take up to? I was planning on getting a 7900 GRE. And MAYBE getting a new CPU afterwards… But not sure, I want a good GPU but not one that will be too much for current CPU. I do 1080p 240hz
@@croih bro for 1080p 240 i suggest you taking just a 7700xt and going to 5700x3d/5800x3d If You want the Best. Gre won't make a difference in my opinion as your games are heavy relying on your cpu. 5600x in 1080p bottlenecks even 7800xt. It will hold back your 7900gre like it's Something in between 7700xt and 7800xt. So get the 7700xt now instead and also upgrade your cpu like pretty soon If not now cause u have money. For fortnite get Nvidia. For cod mandatory AMD. For counterstrike upgrade your cpu fast.
For single players also AMD. 5800x3d still a king of cpu for next years it barely bottlenecks 4080s i don't like 5700x3d as its just a worse bining of 5800x3d.
Also If You can find a 3080ti used for around 400€ don't think as it is an older gpu is a potent gpu that can be bought on Nice money. It's like a 4070/4070s but with Nice connector that won't burn your PC. Takes a 750w gold psu.
my 5800x couldnt get my 7800xt to full util at 1080p in a lot games either, threw in the 3d and its always at 100% now. also a huge performance gain
It’s a great value chip if you’re already on AM4. If I were building from scratch I would probably go AM5, but seeing as I already had the ram and the motherboard, it was a nice affordable upgrade, relatively speaking…
@@davidnott_ currently running a 5600 and got a 7800xt to take place of my 3060. what cpu would you recomand me to get as the bottleneck will be obvious ? i was having the 5700x3d in mind
Why do you play at 1080p with those specs? I would go 1440p
@@antoineb769 i have 5700x3d this is cheap and great CPU
I recommend this CPU for GPU np. 4070TS, 4080S, 7900XTX this is great CPU without bottleneck I check it i have gigabyte aero 4080S
@@antoineb769 I went from R5 3600 / RTX 3060 12gb OC > R7 5700X3D / RX 7800XT and it works like a goddamn charm.
This made me feel a little bit better about my 5800X & 7900 XT 4k combo!
Thanks!
same with me only difference is I'm using a 5700x 🙂
5800x with 4080s with 4k120hz monitor and can max out the refresh rate native in most games I play near ultra by tweaking a couple things like shadows and ambient occlusion down a bit. I doubt I'll need a 3D chip on am4 until I upgrade my whole system
@@montgomeryfitzpatrick473 I will say that guys like us are definitely skirting the edge of bottlenecking our GPUs lol.
Newer games, my CPU is SCREAMING. Like Gray Zone Warfare and other UE5 stuff.
People really underestimate how important 1%/0.1 low are.
This is where to look at if you wanna see if something is running smoothly.
So while the average can be the same with both CPU, if you get 15/20 more fps in the 1%low, it means the game is running better (much better actually).
that and frame time graphs!
Yea well in some games the 1% was higher with the 5600X.
@@MaikyMoto ah yes the games that don't exist
either way, 1% lows is a very, very poor way to identify microstutters.
Finally someone who can review cpus. Not like the channels where they benchmark a cpu with ultra settings and then cant tell the difference between 100 dollar cpu and a 300 dollar cpu.
Amazing video,
I’ve got the 5600x abs just bought a 4080 super!
Glad it still performs excellent
If you care about RT (I do and had the 5600X), I really recommend getting a 5700X3D. It's a difference between constant annoying drops to below 60 and a very, very silky smooth experience.
I had my 5600X for years, got a 4090 last year, recently got a 5700X3D because the experience was disappointing (even at 4K). In games like: Cyberpunk, Witcher 3, Dragon's Dogma 2, Ghostwire Tokyo, Spiderman, Watch Dogs Legion, Hogwarts Legacy, even non RT, but infamously demanding games from the recent past like Deus Ex Mankind Divided and Dishonored 2; the difference is night and day.
I'm gonna be real chief. I upgraded from 5600x to a 7800x3d, running a 7900xt. I play 1440p. It wasn't a worthwhile investment unless you flip RT on.
Did it stutters less tho when you upgrade it on 1440p?
Appreciate your honesty bro! Keeping it real!
Interesting. I have the 5600x. I do not want to basically do a new build. I bought the 5900x but have not opened it yet. Still trying to figure out if it is worth upgrading
What makes you say it isn’t worth the upgrade?
Unless you use RT?
I upgraded from a 5600X to 5800X3D and found that it can push higher refresh rates much more comfortably. With the 5600X I would get the occasional frame drop, but the 5800X3D is rock solid when holding those higher frames.
@Greggoryy The 5700x3d is 158 on Aliexpress :)
@Greggoryyyou enjoy throwing money in the garbage I take it?
That CPU is a steaming pile of garbage, a 5800X destroys it stock. Lock it at max boost all core and it destroys it even more.
@@South_0f_Heaven_a 5800x does not destroy a 5800x3d bud lmfao the x3d is the best am4 cpu for gaming
You clearly have no clue. In no games does the 5800x destroy the 5800x3d, what are you smoking?@@South_0f_Heaven_
@@MrDalesen you own both CPU’s?
Or are you basing your evidence on what other people say.
I have a 5800x. I was conflicted about if it was worth getting the 3d version. Undervolted and overclocked the 5800x, now it's roughly 10-15% faster than stock. No more fomo for me, haha.
have a 5700x paired with a 7900xt honestly happy with this so far
5700x3d is 199 in the US
@Joeshmoe2579 already had the 5700x before the 5700x3d was announced no reason to buy one now in my case I'm happy with what I got no problems
@@TheBlackestTurtle More for others passing by
@@Joeshmoe2579 It's a waste of money for high end GPU owners pushing 4K native
@@JABelmsit’s not meant for high end 4k usage. If you got money like that you aren’t trying to save on ur cpu in the first place.
I appreciate the video. I just upgraded from a R7 1700 and was stressing between a 5700x3D and a 5800x. Ultimately I decided to go with a 5600x and throw the extra cash to a better video card to replace my AMD 580. This video showed me it would be nice to have the extra power of a 5800x3D, but the much cheaper 5600x gets me most of the way there in the 1440 60Hz or 4K 60Hz my monitor and TV operate it. I'm not looking so much at max FPS, but more concerned about a bottleneck at 3k or 4k gaming.
r5 7500f is also an option if you could get one, near the performance of 5800x3d but cheaper
What "3k"?
What "4k"?
0:36 Need to overclock that 5800X3D at 1.28V and 4500MHz. The auto overclock leaves a lot to be desired. I don't think there are CPU's on the market that can push these GPU's to their limits in low 1080P. I've tried explaining this to people. Don't buy 4000 series if you want 1080p or even 1440p, and the burden only gets worse when you turn on DLSS and Framegen.
I've honestly been suggesting people pick up a 3090 since the 24GB of vram will keep its value and just enjoy themselves for 550 dollars, resell it when you're ready for like 300-350. There you go, you just spent about 200 dollars instead of losing 5-600$.
Now the question is, does the cache provide more FPS or the 2 cores?
I would also like to know that! :D
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Thanks for this test!
I was waiting for it. Really was looking to see the real difference going from a 5600x to a top of the line AM4.
Great video. I went from a 5600x to a 5800x3d and overall gaming now feels "smoother".
I'm not sure how to quantify it in a benchmark. The 5600x is still an awesome (now budget) cpu in 2024.
What's your GPU?
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The .1% 1% lows are probably higher so the game feels a little bit smoother.
Good to know I probably don't need to upgrade my CPU. Did you use the same CPU cooler for both tests?
As always, if ur on AM4 already, an upgrade might be worth it, if u encounter bottlenecks or stutters (Id probably go for a 5600x3D or 5700x3D if available). If not, go for AM5 or wait for the 9000 series even.
I own a 5800x3D paired with a 7900xtx nitro+ and I got it especially for Star Citizen back then, which benefits a ton from the extra V-cache (I had a 5600G, 5500 basically, bought it during the insane mining times). Additionally all the micro stutters in some other games were gone and FPS is general are very stable with the 5800x3D.
What would you say your GPU utilization was?
I find your videos very interesting. I bought a 5700X3D a short while ago because I also bought myself an Asus TUF Gaming RX 7800 XT. Aswell as a 165Hz freesync 1440p screen. Coming from a 5600x. I wanted to be sure I had the least possible bottleneck for my new RX 7800 XT. My 5600x will go into a secondary rig. And my third rig has an R5 5500GT CPU. AM4 is not dead. 5700X3D/5800X3D rivals AM5 R5 7600x and R7 7700X for gaming performance specifically. For AM5 you need to go for 7800X3D to really beat the 5700X3D/5800X3D by a good margin (for gaming). Best case scenario 30% better performance.
The rule of thumb is, the lower the resolution you play at, while chasing high fps, the more a CPU will bottleneck a GPU. If you're a 1080p gamer and want super high fps like 240 or something depending on your monitor, then you'll notice a big difference with upgrading your CPU if you already have a mid to high end GPU like a 4070 at least. If you're gaming at 2K resolution and aim for lower fps like 150-ish, then you'll notice some improvement when upgrading a CPU. If you're gaming on 4K like me, and your aim at single player games is "as long as it feels perfectly smooth I'm happy", which is anything above 70-80 stable fps, and in multiplayer games you're aiming at 144fps for a 144hz refresh rate, then you really won't feel much difference in CPU upgrades, as long as your CPU is not really horrible. At 4K, you're GPU bound, and a CPU bottleneck as such stops existing. There's literally a couple of fps between a R5 5500 and a 5700X3D, I know because I made that jump. The only significant boost was not in average or peak fps, but in lowest 1% fps, basically the occasional (very, very rare) micro-stutter in some games doesn't happen anymore. Point being, don't spend money on a more expensive MBO and CPU, buy a more expensive GPU.
great video, not many address the AM4 CPU performance differences. Would be interested to see the same done with some "lesser" GPU's to see if 1080 differences are more significant. Thanks again
The industry standard for reviewing CPUs for gaming is so ridiculous, it made me think I need to upgrade my CPU to be able to enjoy games at 4k. I am looking to buy a 4k display and the price on 5800x3d is going up at the moment (if I can even find it). Watching your video helped me realize that I can use the whole budget towards the display, so many thanks for that! 😁
CPU's are generally reviewed to show relative performance between each other. They are tested at 1080p for the most part because if the GPU is a bottleneck (as it would be at 4k), it doesn't show the true performance of the CPU.
@jondySauce I understand that... I also understand that testing at 1440p and 4k would effectively triple the time it takes to test every CPU, and it's just not worth the trouble for reviewers.
But as more and more people are moving towards these resolutions, they should at least test 2-3 games, which are known to be CPU intensive, and another 2-3 which are GPU intensive, all at 1440p and 4k, to show if an upgrade is worth the money at those resolutions.
Seeing is believing, and it's ridiculous that people like me (casual gamers, who mostly play single-player games and want, for the most part, an immersive experience) have to watch hours of testing at 1080p from reputable reviewers and not find even a mention of performance at 4k. Then I have to go on an internet rabbit hole on various forums, where I will see no data and a lot of 'trust me, bro' comments.
It's also hilarious how reputable reviewers have started to do 1440p and 4k testing, but in a spiteful way. They will show the data and complain about viewers not understanding the logic behind their methodology at every step, while the truth is that gamers like me, for the most part, want to make sure that a CPU upgrade would actually improve their experience.
I guess that sooner or later, they will see their 1080p testing videos will start to not get as many views as before and will have to adjust their methodology accordingly.
Rocking the 5600x with a 2080ti, the the next full build anyway, new everything 🙃 just waiting till I need it
How is the utilisation on gpu?
I got base 2080 + 2700x
need to upgrade the cpu for the last push till i do full build on 60 series in 2027
You think 5700x3d overkill for base 2080?
I game on 1080p 144
It’s interesting to see your stats for a 5600X in Cyberpunk, and compare the difference between your 4080 Super and my 4070 TI Super. I use custom graphics settings, so it’s not 100% the same, but my 4070 TI Super is choking at 97% at 1440 when I crank the ray tracing up, and your 4080 Super still has some air to breathe.
I really didn’t want to shell out the additional cash for a 4080 Super… but it probably would have been worth it for me.
Thanks David for the side bye side comparison. I actually have the Micro Center 5600X3D example and was seriously thinking about a RTX 4070 Super paired with it. (1440p gaming) I figure the extra cache will close the gap between the 8 core variant. Cheers!
Unless the game features 8 core utilization. 5600X3D actually isn't far off 5800X3D
It's the second fastest of AM4 X3D variants. Faster than 5700 X3D on average due to higher clock speed.
@@armschoolc32 Yes, The benchmarks in games shows that 5800X3D has very little benefit in most situations except some fringe CPU bound scenarios. I personally would buy the 5800X3D for its 2 core and 4 more threads if on AM4. I got the MIcro Center deal with motherboard and ram for $299.00 and couldn't resist its price.
Thanks for all work you did, subbed.
Went from a
5800x to a 5800x3d and for a bunch of games I play that are more CPU heavy, yes it made a huge difference. Non 3d CPUs struggle with some games like crazy. So it's dependant on what you play. Hell let loose went from 70 fps and bad 1% lows to tops of 150 fps and smooth game play. On a 3080 10 gb, same with cyber punk on 1440p at pretty much max settings in both games
Im confused...on Gray Zone 1080 EPIC, you said the CPU was having an impact on the 5600X meaning that it might be bottlenecking the GPU, if that were true wouldnt the CPU be at 100% the whole time? Normally if the CPU AND GPU are not reaching 100% this means they are well paired doesnt it?
the 5800x3D is kind of a whole another beast from the 5600x, that extra cache makes a huge difference in many games. Not to say this comparison is unfair but the 3D is kind of in a class of its own.
Bud that 5800X3D is a steaming pile of garbage. Would think by now people would have figured it out but I guess not.
You want worse gaming performance buy a 5800X3D
You want worse productivity buy a 5800X3D
Want your PC to just work buy Intel.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ mate this is just a comparison between 2 amd cpus and you come barging in boasting about intel, I doubt any of us care. We are just am4 owners seeing if it's worth it to upgrade to a 5800x3d, and we just don't care about intel in this scenario. Also not sure how 5800x3d is worse at gaming than an intel cpu.. but okay lol
@@pravnav I didn’t realize people like this still existed in AMD vs Intel debates lol
@@South_0f_Heaven_ and yet intel is selling worse and worse with shittier power efficiency
be quiet man, don't bring intel up in an amd conversation
@@South_0f_Heaven_ oh no, the inteltard got triggered
hello i want to get 5600 and 4070 in 1080p for fps games and i need 240-280fps i still get it?
I run a 5600x and an undervolted RTX 4090 on a 750w power supply. Call me mad but its a beast of a 4k machine for the power consumption. I might get a 9800x3d or an intel 15700k in the future.
Thanks for the video. I run triple 1080P screens for sim racing with a 5600X and 3060Ti. Have been looking at GPU upgrades but wasn’t sure I would see any benefit if I stayed on 5600X. The difference is much less than I thought it would be.
im also curious how the 5600x holds its own against the 5800x3d at 4k ultra RT in cyberpunk..What was the graphics preset set to? Im assuming DLSS was off since you arent a fan.
I just got a 4080 super and cyberpunk was using 100% of my 5600x at times, it holds its own well tho it just starts to be brought down at certain moments and doesn’t have the extra horsepower a higher core count and v cache would have in the game
are the fps going to have the same impact with rtx 4070 or rx 7700 xt or 7800xt?
Good test, 5600x or 5800x/5900x/5950x with tuned bdie ram will come to spitting distance within 5800x3d. 5800x3d is great for people who dont tune their systems but imo 5900x or 5950x with tuned bdie is much better option than 5800x3d, 5600x is a bit low on core count, some games do like to have 8 cores these days
True. And not only with B-dies. Well tuned E-dies are not that much slower, as well as modern RAM with 3600MHz/CL16 XMP (based on Hynix D-die, for example). Most of these kits can easily achieve 3800MHz/CL16.
Plus, with non-3D CPUs you can use Curve Optimizer and raise core clock by 200MHz, which brings another 2-3% bump.
Just upgraded from a 5600X to a 5700X3D, I play at 1440p ultrawide and was planning to get a 5070 or 5080 next year, thanks for the comparison now I feel reassured about it 😊
So older gpu like base rtx2080
5700x3d overkill? For 1080p 144fps
Would the 5600x or 5700x be better options as am assuming these cpu would push 2080 to 90s% utilisation
Am doing final upgrade to my PC cpu as am skipping 50 series upgrade and doing a full build in 2027 on series 60 around 4k 240 oled monitor
I'm really pleased I stumbled across this video. I finally got enough spare cash to go an buy a 5800x3d to replace my 5600X...the week they discontinued it and everybody had - of course - sold out. So I was pretty cheesed off. So I went looking for 5700x3d v 5600X reviews and found your videos. It would seem that my fixation on getting a 5800 was misplaced and I would be far better upgrading my GPU from a 6650XT (I knew I would need to do that anyway to be honest). I mainly play iRacing, in 1080p on a single monitor. I think I may be better looking at some variant of the 4070. Any thoughts?
5800X3D in Australia is $499 but Ryzen 7600 is $299 and offers similar /better/worse depending on title. 5800X3D is great but 7000 series IPC pulls its weight and is cheaper by $200 you can throw at the GPU.
correct but also people should consider the 5700x3d which is au$358 which is near 5800x3d perf
@@user-dz3ph7dl4m 5700x3d and 5800x3d is 1:1 in real life only in benchmark u can see changes not in real life and normal play.
People should not forget the cheaper 5700X3D option as well. There is also 5600X3D, but that cpu is a rare one. But if 5600X3D was actually easy to get, i think that cpu could be an incredable cpu for gaming. NOt as fast af 5700X3D/5800X3D. But that 3D cashe does matter in games alone.
Good point! Would love to test these
i'm always curious as to the decision to include titles like "starfield" and "gray zone warfare" in a test like this, as both seem to be relatively unoptimized - especially in regards to cpu performance. it almost feels like you are testing the game's performance more than the performance of the cpu in-game, if that makes any sense. i know starfield has received some updates to help with this, but it still seems like typical "bethesda optimization." games like fh5, cs2, & cp2077 make more sense to me since they tend to utilize given resources in a more predictable - and often consistently scalable - manor. other than showing real-world application for sake of user expectation, is there any benefit in a cpu test to use those two specific games, or am i missing something (which is absolutely possible)?
thanks for the content, i really am appreciative - even when i have what might be considered dumb questions, lol.
Meh. It's to show how it runs.
Sure it should't be included in metrics or used as consideration.
Optimized or not better if better CPUs are giving better performance it's valid
@@echo5827 because of the title of the video, i thought the point of the video was whether or not a 5600x will bottleneck high-end gpus, not to see how it performs in unoptimized early access titles. just seems like a strange choice for this video in particular. it isn't worthless data, for sure! it just seems kind of irrelevant to the point of the video.
I recently gave my 3070 to my nephew who's PSU died and took his 1080 with it, Ive been wanting to build a new system, but I've been hamstrung with the 3070's 8gb vram, So i was needing a total rebuild. Now with this video I can see I will bottleneck my next gpu for awhile, but thats fine with me. 7900xtx will feel much nicer when gaming at 1440p ultra and will work even better once I upgrade the rest of the system by Christmas 2024. Waiting on the newer AMD stuff as I'm hoping for a newer chipset in additiion to the newer CPUs. 5600x (100%) 5800x3d(130%)7600(135%)7800x3d(150%) is about how i see it roughly speaking.
Did you ever upgrade to the 7900xtx? I choose specifically to go with a cheaper 3080 for the main reason that I didn’t think I would run up against vram limits and I felt more comfortable being able to resell it in a year or so compared to amd.
but if my gpu is rtx 3070, is there a point upgrading it to 5800x3d from 5600x?
I'm playing everything on 1440p
So DLSS will be useless. I play on my 4k TV 120hz, does Frame Generation causes the same lost of performance?
Hi dude, thanks for the video. I was gonna upgrade to zen 5 but will probably go from 5600x to 5700x3d and wait a bit longer. Got a 7900xt and play in 4k mostly, it's the 1 & 0.1% lows I'm interested in improving so this video was helpful.
Can a 5600x utilize an RTX 4070 Super at 1440p? Please do a video of this combination.
Hi, i have 1650 super with i3 10100f
I want to upgrade it to 7800XT with i5 11400 or i7 11700. What will be best
I dont want to spend on MB and RAM
There is roughly 5% difference between the i5 and the i7 no difference in gaming , the extra 2 cores of the i7 could come handy in multi tasking.
@lhaceneleroux3863 Thanks, but will i5 11400f works fine with 7800xt.
@@gauravmittal5129 bottleneck on 1080p most likely but any higher resolution you'll be fine
What the hell is Bethesda programming when you get the same fps (~70) at 1080p ultra and 4k ultra
Gonna have to guess you got some clips mixed up or something
Is your 5800x3d running on a updated bios AM4 mobo? Just got mine and having issues booting w both sticks of ram installed
Yeah it is
im running my 5800x3d on a very bad ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 and it works fine. If you can boot up with 1 stick try getting the bios update on a usb stick and just update your bios. will probably fix it
@@Puwpl actually I found out that the problem was just that I couldn't see anything before Windows. The bios/pre-boot screen was being output onto my GTX 1080's DVI port and not the DisplayPort.
Luckily someone had answered an old forum post and left a link to an nvidia page for the gpu DisplayPort firmware update. Fixed my issue instantly
@UnimportantAcc I think I've been experiencing the same issue, could you point me to that page?
@@rasluffi I'm not sure if I can post a link nowadays in YT comments but search google for "NVIDIA Graphics Firmware Update Tool for DisplayPort 1.3 and 1.4 Displays" and you'll find it immediately
Best of luck mate I hope it solves ur issue x
Thanks for answering my exact question.
Can you make a similar video by adding also 5700x3D in comparison?
Just upgraded from a 2600 to a 5800x and honestly it made a world of difference, my graphics card is pretty weak (rx 6800) but the massive change in my over all fps and the heavy reduction of stuttering has made everything feels so good.
crazy i have 5600x and 4070s and see nowhere near the frames you are getting on cs2 here at 1080p, yet to test 1440. game can also be choppy and stuttery at times.
I'm not sure why but I'm getting 120 AVG and 100 1% lows at 1080p LOW Settings in this same spot (Starfield), with a slightly undervolted 5800X. I'm not sure if they have improved the game since this video came out
I wonder if they also changed the settings and now LOW is going lower or something, specially with the number of NPCs on screen as that's one of the most CPU hungry setting
75 to 100 fps is 33% increase, which is alot, 8 cores also will be beneficial (sometimes) in the future
but the question is whether 5600x can drive highend gfx card, then yes, up to 4070 series its good, super, ti, super ti whatever
Weird, i have an rtx 3090 and 5 5600x and i feel like my performance is maybe 50% less in 1440p than other 3090 benchmarks. Does my 16gb of ram hold it back?
No.
YO! I play doom eternal on 1440p with 12700k and 3080 rog strix, I play on 250 fps cuz that game basically allows you to do things u normally could not do on 144/165 fps or less.
My gpu stays on 70-80 percent cuz I play with dlss ON (performance mode) but my cpu stays on 65-70 % sometimes, it is normally on 40-50% but
I play with tons of mods and there are so many demons and action on the screen that my cpu reaches 70% usage sometimes, would you
say this is a cpu bottleneck?
have ryzen 5 5600x with ge force 4700 super. Should i buy 5700x3d or i wasting my money?
I wonder which CPU aged better between the 5600x and i7 10700k as they were priced similarly when Zen 3 was released in late 2020.
Very true. Be cool to test stuff like that someday when budget allows
i have a 5800x and don't realy think i will go to 7000 series , just wait 9000 series.
i recently sold my 3080 ti and found an 4080 sh at 850 euros because im in europa.
Sounds like you’re in the same boat as me!
@@davidnott_ yea man . btw i saw your pool about doing some live . go for it . maybe try some retro games to
Just made the jump. To the 7800x3d, it only made sense when I found a 7900xtx for 400 + trade for 3080. At about 1300ish the 5800x3d and 3080 will get you the best value. Just waiting for 1440p to be mainstream we're not quite there as 120fps would be a sweet spot. 4090 is too wasteful at the price point.
I have r5 7600 what gpu take it RTX or AMD 1080p 165hz
Any of the GPUs available for 1080p; 6750xt for AMD's last gen or even 6800 (can do 1440 as well) it mostly depends on the games you intend to play.
7800 XT/7900 GRE or 4070 Super.
In theory, and in numbers, it doesnt make a lot of diference, but in real world feeling it does make a diference going 8 cores with a lot of cache (5700x3d, 5800x3d). I can say this because i've upgraded from a 5600 to a 5700x3d due to a second-hand deal, and i'm realy happy. Cyberpunk is night and day, the last of us aswell. Not sure if it's the extra 2cores/4threads or the extra cache, but i'm realy happy with my € 70 extra investment (from selling one and buying other second hand).
Would you recommend a 5700x3d paired with a 4070 super
That sounds like a sensible combo. Would love to test a 5700X3D against my 5800X3D
No get the 7900GRE instead of the 4070 S. Much better pairing and higher frames especially with SAM enabled smokes the shit out of the 4070 S.
Ib have av5600x currently paired with a 7900xtx and it seems to do pretty good most of the time tbh
Would an older CPU like the AMD Ryzen 9 5950x 16-core processor bottleneck an Nividia 4080 Super or even the 4090?
no i use this with a 4090 suprim x no bottleneck whatsoever the processor is amazing
i played red dead redemption in 1440p full max graphics CPU was no where near bottlenecking ive played games like elden ring in max with max ray tracing no bottlencking whatsoever it was never close the cpu is really good actually amazing would really recommend.
Nice video, thanks. Was concerning about same question because i was have 5600 and GTX 1080, but i bought myself a RTX 3080 Ti and i see clear bottleneck in Cyberpunk 2077 into high demanding CPU places like corporate square in center of the Night City. Numbers was like 50-60% GPU load, 80-85% CPU load and fps drop below 60 with full ultra graphics with ray tracing
5500 5600 isnt same as 5600x ryzen
Hi and thanks for the video. Do you think with an I7 10700KF it s the same, more or less?
My 10700k used to bottleneck my 3090. Pairing your 10700kf with a 4080 Super is a bad idea.
@@originalityisdead.9513 do you play in 1440p ?And thanks for the answers.
@marcogalliani279
3440x1440p. If you're getting an RTX 4080 Super, you want a new CPU as the 1% and 0.1% lows would be awful in demanding titles, and when RT is turned on, the CPU would struggle immensely.
Not all games take advantage of the X3D V-cache.
almost all do though, if you look at 5800x vs 5800x3d
thanks for the follow up video
Nice video. It would be nice to see the difference between 5800x and 5800x3D. Vs the 5600x, there is also the core count difference.
Thank you for making this video! I upgraded my 3070 to a 4080 super recently , but i'm still running a 5600X! The 5800X3D prices are insane, so I just ordered a new 5700X3D on aliexpress for £140 including tax! I've just seen a used 5600X sell for £80 on ebay, so its a cheap upgrade!
This! I just did the same, but it was £120 in the black friday sale. Seems a no brainer at current prices and gives some room for a gpu upgrade down the line.
Thank you for this detailed and accurate to actual gaming review of these two processors! I currently have 6700xt with 5600x and I decided I am waiting to just build a new system next year with Rdna4 and am5. I don't know this but I doubt with my gpu a upgrade to 5800x3d is worth my time when I could just save and build a better system all together then. Thank you for the content really helped my decision here. ❤
i have trouble running forza horizon 5, there as been many complaints of the same issue i am having and that is that they seems to be a memory leak somewhere , the track disappears and i get a message saying low streaming bandwidth , have you had any issues? i have a very similar setup to yours i think
great video by the way
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What gpu are u on?
I have an rtx 3060 12gb and a ryzen 5600 not overclocked and it runs like slicing a hot knife trough butter
@@dev1lachthi bud, im on a 4080 super , 5800x3d , so i should be running it no problem, doesnt like something !
@@deanchipchase966 use trs is it i think as anti aliasing or dlss on quality
I have set everything to high or extreme
I have 135-145fps constantly without stutters or something
Ayyy that sucks fh5 is nice af
@@deanchipchase966 low streaming bandwith teminds of a setting in Mw3 where it downloads textures and stuff for a better fps stability midgame
With it on i have similar problems like you
After turning it off never had this issues again
From your experience, is the upgrade from 4070 to 4080 super worth it?
yes
yes
I switched (exchanged) from 5600x to 5900x (and now I don't know how to cool this monster) and the undervolt doesn't work stably, but only the stock works without problems! Apparently I got a really bad stone on the 5900x! Now, paired with the 4070ti, it works great in 3440 1440 resolutions at 144 Hz (the monitor can do 165, but 144 is enough)
As someone who played in 4k, I've visited your video twice since you posted this. The only one that provides numbers on those resolutions! My 5600x is oced to 4.85Ghz, even stock figures performance compare to 5800x3d is not that big unless you play in lower resolution. Probably would jump to am5 next year!
Good video 💪
Many people dont know the higher you go up in resolution the less the cpu actually does. I game at 1440 with a 5600x and a 7800 xt nitro+ no complaints at all.
Star citizen seems to be an outlier in games atm, im running a 5600x and a 6750xt, had to upgrade to 32gig of ram from 16 coz the current build is hammering ram usage, but im seeing most of the time i have 100% cpu usage and 60% gpu usage on high settings at 1440p ..... Wondering if upgrading to a 5900x could be an option to remain on AM4 🤷
why is one screen brighter?
while I don't have the 4080 super, I do have the cpu ryzen 5 5600x with gpu being rx 7800 XT and just trying to wrap my head around if I want to upgrade just because of the gpu to get more fps
Im currently asking myself what the difference between the 5800x and the 5800X3D is? I could buy a 5800x for around 140€ or a 5800X3D for 190€. Im wondering what would be better.
Go for the 5800x3d all day long
Sure vsync wasn't on ?
I’d be curious if an overclocked 5600x at 4.6ghz at all times holds up better on the lows.
Thanks for including an in game test in cyberpunk. The game seems to be very demanding on the cpu, especially in the city. Currently I'm running a 5600x with a 3080 10gb, and I'm thinking about upgrading to a 5800x3d. Do you think it would give me a couple of extra fps in cyberpunk?
What did you just see? 🙄
@@akileshq that the 5600x got destroyed
@BeingBOTisCareer did you upgrade in the end and if you did how do you find it?
I have the same processor and GPU as you and was thinking if it was worthwhile to upgrade tho at 4K, doesn't seem like I'll be missing much except in a handful of games, but still considering to do it as I do plan to upgrade to the 5080 when that comes out eventually.
@@Stuala-gj2bg no I haven't upgraded yet, I'm waiting for the new ryzen generation. Other than cyberpunk, I haven't had an issue with the 5600x, it performs well in other games. ( my definition of well is 100+ fps in single player or 180+ in multiplayer). Upgrading is worth it even at 4k in my opinion, I think Daniel Owen made a video on that but I can't seem to find it rn.
hmm this vid somehow helped me to decide either i will upped my whole system, or just only upped my cpu, i play games, and use blender for fun, trying to upped from rx 6700 xt to 6800, or maybe switch to team green (3080 12 gb)
I have the RTX 4060
How would it fare with the 5600x?
Also would you recommend the 5700x3d with 4060 or the 5600x is just fine?
5600x is more than enough for rtx 4060
i have 5700x3d with 4080S and not botlleneck in 1440p easy
A couple years ago when I built mine, I chose the 5600x to pair with my 2080, now that I've been running a 4070 for a while I'm finally upgrading to the 5800x3D & hoping to see some nice improvements - - Nvidia Performance Overlay sits between 8 - 10.5 ms average PC latency
The 5700x3d and a 3080 pairs great for me. 12 ms frame times in flight sim 1440p ultra at 75 hz locked
I just bought a 4080 super and I play in 3440x1440
I have a 3600x and I don't understand what to replace it with seeing these tests
Go with what u can afford. If u have the budget, 3dx chip is better, if not, the 5600x is still a viable option.
5700x3d is 199 in the US
Edit: (don’t know why my reply is not going through @nat99997)
Amazon AMD store has them in stock no idea how many they have
@@Joeshmoe2579 is there a good supply?
@@nat99997 Not sure how many in stock for Amazon AMD store but it's there
@@nat99997 It is on the Amazon AMD store but not sure how much in stock they have
Omg I’m also like under the same boat but maybe for different reasons 😂
I’m getting a 4080 non super but I still have 5600x for now until I get money for a good cpu. Needing to know what I can expect from a bottlenecked 4080 since I’m getting mine used(and that’s important so I can know wether to return it or not) I’m assuming I will be getting like 5-10 less frames than these tests since he has a 4080 super? If not let me know with a reply, I will be very grateful 🙏
4080 and super perform identically funnily enough
I too have 4080 and 5600x and not much is lost in terms of performance at 4K and maxed out settings. Hardly 5-10 percent loss if any. Will run 5600x for another 1-2 years before prices on the 5800x co,e down or will buy 9000 series which is coming out soon
@@spashashank oh my gosh, that is really surprising to hear but also a relief. thank you for responding!
You can also check yourself when you game at 4k. check your cpu and your usages., GPU usage should be ideally above 80-90% and CPU should be lesser. If your CPU usage is higher than the GPU then your CPU is slower for your GPU.
@@spashashank omg thanks dude for the tip. I’m gonna keep an eye out for that once I get my hands on the gpu!
just got my 4080S paired with 5600x and yes... Spacemarine 2 on ultra is struggling barely on the 69 - 70 avg fps w/ dlss...
i am getting 6800 or 6800xt so should i get 5600x or 5700x3d
Soooo.. with an AMD 7900XTX GPU what Ryzen CPU would you upgrade a 5600X to...?
5700x3d / 5800x3d
How about 5800X vs 5800X3D ?
5800x3d is best am4 cpu thats it
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 True, yet i own 5800X, I'm not rich like some :D
This video has good detail, but the comments section is worth its weight in gold, great feedback from everyone.
I just purchased a 5700x3d to replace a 5600x. I play at 3440x1440 on a 34" 144hz screen with 6950xt. Although i might not see avg frames increase, the 3d cache will help the 0.1% and 1% lows, which you video proves very well on places.
5600x will go to my son on a cheap a520 mobo as an improvement over his aged i7 3770.
thanks for the video mate
Will a ryzen 7 7800x3d bottleneck the new Nvidia GPU series you think? (5000 series)
nope
but 5090 i think yes
got i5-12400f with 4070super. Similar experience, everything is very smooth at 1440p. Been thinking to get a better cpu... but nah, just fine at the moment.
great video. tried something similar with the 4070 super and a r5 5600 and r5 7500f just to answer if am4 is kind of dead but for my surprise, its not, its still a good gaming cpu and i would have no problem to pair it with an 4070 super. sure the numbers tell a differenz story but the first runs ive done ive expierenced no difference, testet just a few games, ac:o, fortnite, diablo 4, cyberpunk and baldurs gate. the difference was seen in numbers but not how it feels. and the numbers are not that big, this is where preferences kick in. i like the am5 plattform for its good featureset. many b650 boards has 3 nvme slots so u can do a much cleaner build and off course u has some upgrade path.
as zen was released ages ago, i jump on it with an r7 1700x switches from a i5 7600k. i used it until the 5000 cpus came out and was blowing away that u can rly feel a difference just bought the 5600 and it holds on, on a testing system. i hope this will happen with am5 i just hold on the 7500f until the next release, so i skip the 9000 series and see whats the deal with the next gen.