Eternal Life is Like What? | Episode 312 | Closer To Truth
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- Almost all religions promise eternal life. In one form or another, the message goes forth that death is not final. But each religion paints its own portrait of the hereafter: some are collective and ethereal in the spirit, others individual and corporeal in the body. Which would you choose? (Your opinion means nothing, of course.) Featuring interviews with Richard Swinburne, J.P. Moreland, Seyyed Nasr, Varadaraja Raman, and Huston Smith.
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To be honest. I would be fare less disappointed and less annoyed if these individuals simply say: "I don't know".
That would take honesty.
there's perfect spelling in heaven
“I'm not afraid of death; I just don't want to be there when it happens.” Woody Allen
Doctor holding a patient’s wrist: Nurse, this man is dead or my watch has stopped.
Groucho Marx
I think it's a lot easier to imagine going to sleep and never waking up than it is to imagine living forever. And I think it's less frightening.
I’ve always believed that going to sleep and never waking is not horrible at all. Consciousness ends. That’s worst case.
Eternal life is truly terrifying
@@shukridida Yes, I don't think believers really think that through very carefully. I think they just believe God is going to take care of all that anxiety. I mean, why would God allow misery from living forever when he was just fine with slavery and holding people responsible for the sins that he created in people in the first place?
It's all such a monumentally silly and spindly construction of beliefs.
@@bobbabai exactly
@@shukridida not if you never aged
Huston Smith is a spiritual hero! ...The two Christians at the beginning, sorry to say: Probably some of the most ridiculous answers to metaphysical questions I have ever heard.
They were describing a future virtual reality existence, except such Metaverses will no doubt include sex.
"The anecdotal evidence is unscientific, and the scientific evidence is nil."
Of course, because life after death is one of the many areas that science is largely unable to study. Science is really good in certain areas, but can't answer everything.
YET.
@@Hhjhfu247
You seem to have a non-classical definition of science. Classical science observes things that can be repeated to confirm by anyone.
How can science prove the afterlife or God?
How can supernatural phenomena be tested?
The fact that it can't be studied is what makes it unscientific...
@@sleeplessdev7204 It can be studied, but not with science.
it's humble in admitting it can't answer everything.
but it's the only thing we have to answer anything.
If you think some part of yourself will live forever, what part will that be? Your thoughts? But your thoughts are different every minute, you don't even remember the thoughts you were having last week, much less those you had before you started the first grade. What is that "you" that has thoughts and memories and posseses a mind? Just a vague but stubbornly persistent sense of "me"-ness? When you are absorbed in concentration or some task like art you forget yourself. You don't even know what exists right now let alone what might live forever.
I would say you are YOU, What YOU have become in the mind, in the person, in the character just before you take your last breath and close your eyes from this world!
That would be YOU! That would be WE, all of us!!
The CHOICE to alter your mind, your person, and your character would come to an end in this world of DUALITY!
You will then enter into a dimension where alteration will not be possible, the singularity. There will be no beginning or no end. You will progress ONLY in what you have already BECOME in this present world of DUALITY, where everything is created in PAIRS and has its counterpart.
And this anticipated world of SINGULARITY, where things are not paired, have no counterpart and therefore alteration would not be possible, and it would be an ETERNITY, with no beginning and no end! It would be Steady and Continuous Progression in the CHOICE that you had already made in this world.
I would suggest here, therefore, to make the choice of the kind of person you would be happy with in this world, that you wouldn't want to change ever before you leave this world! 😀😀😀😀
Eternal awareness is hell. Can we take breaks from it ? Can we sleep in the afterlife ? Eternal sleep is a preferable fate.
You have infinite hapiness, infinite pleasure! Do you want anything else? (Of course you may sleep!)
@@JohnMartim-sy9yf Stop deluding yourself.
My Dream is to change those beautiful mountains PURPLE
My Opinion is this episode clearly demonstrates religions are far from the truth!
Original name of this series was Questions We Can't Answer....
Open the mind you may find that you have an intelligence that these people have that they would even ask such questions. Unless you feel you have no soul. Need to work on that. For if you find that you believe in a religion then there's a gigantic problem of afterlife called judgement. But we are all human and our little bitty brains might not be able to comprehend what is asked or have an Imagination that truly intelligent people have that makes them extremely smart. But of course I never hear a truly smart person say out loud that they are really, really, really smart. Those people aren't smart if they have to say it. Thus is where a question, basically the same question asked of educated intelligent people that have studied and read about the subject in question. Personally I think He'll is for people that need to be scared into being a good person. When I think of those that wrote our Bibles that humans explained to others in a simple way for humankind to understand. Pleasure is life eternal. No self gratification as we are in the self first existence. If you don't understand then why listen to the questions. It's a feeling as intuition that derp inside we are knowing yet content that understanding completely will come when we have passed this physical existence. I seem to understand so much more such as quantum physics as an example. I am not expert not educated but all my life I've had a Knowing. Yet listening to others answers gives me more proof every day that earthly religions are very simple and teach as though we are all I. Preschool. I enjoy the questions. As these questions are and have been using n the back of my mind my whole life.
I'm dead and I love it over here.
Lucky...
Are you in heaven or hell?
@@arthurwieczorek4894 lol 😂
LOL, we have a winner
Say hi to Jerry Garcia. Thanks 🙏🏻
Sir, I very much enjoy this series. I don't have much room for religion, at least organized religion in which self-important 'experts' tell me what they think god wants. I understand the reasons for covering this, but I surely don't put any stock into any of their opinions. I have opinions too, I just don't go around telling people my opinion is god's word. Thank you for all of your hard work, and I'll continue to hang out and learn with you
If you believe in God. It's your choice to or not. If you do. Fyi God is always spelled with a capital G.Just saying.
One question I'd like to hear discussed is How do you get from God as creator, to God as writer of holy books, to God who wrote this particular holy book---skipping over why he doesn't write more than just one.
Theologically, God created, His creation figured out how to write books, so He inspired one of his creations to write one book in particular. Historically, it was a collection of anecdotes, myths, legends, and parables that had been around for thousands of years, that somebody finally collected and wrote down once the ability to read started becoming more common.
You don't. Religion, naturally, has outdated descriptions of God/Creator. So the tendency among the religious (especially as science emerged & evolved) was to set camp in the general 'creator' space, i.e 'intelligent designer' (something that's easier to defend) and THEN draw parallels back to their respective, very specific Gods.
@@itneeds2bsaid528 Read 2 Timothy 3:16
God did not inspire the bible writers to construct 'myths' or 'legends' - what would be the point? The Bible is instructive, guiding humans on the path to life - it reveals God's standards (laws) that define the difference between right and wrong. The requirements for everlasting life are clearly stated in John 17:3
I think it's all because people love thinking they have access to the OneTruth™. They rejoice in the wrongness of others at least as much as the rightness of what they believe. It's road rage in scripture.
@@bobbabai .. the simple fact is that truth is truth - it stands alone and does not need consensus of opinions that may all be wrong. Not everyone has access to truth because some are wilfully blind to it and others seek to distort and misrepresent it. Without supernatural intervention humankind left to its own devices will steadily sink to the lowest common denominator, hence, the wars, greed and corruption and lack of political agreement and compromise. An historical document accurately foretold the attitude prevalent among people of the 'last days' - 2 Timothy 3:1-4
This same document consisting of 66 books has been used in courts of law as a guarantee by means of conscience and oath for a witness to testify truthfully, yet this same collection of books has been the target for ridicule and criticism by a self-appointed collective ascribing to 'higher' learning and 'critical' thinking preferring their own glory rather than acknowledging the One who created all things and gives truth in abundance to those who sincerely seek it.
I was pretty shocked when I watched the TV show The Good Place, and found that it ended with the afterlife being almost exactly what I've always hoped it would be. It's perfect. It's also very, very funny. And no particular religion is required.
Is there actually an afterlife? Is The Good Place version you imagine true just because it's what you want?
It’s a fantasy. Nothing more. A hopeful dream where everyone lives happily ever after.
Robert Lawrence Kuhn: said: "I cannot imagine
going to sleep and never waking up."
We are all one egotistical or vain thought away from accepting our death. Yet we all go to sleep each night, which is losing everything we are conscious of in our waking life. Our consciousness of a self, our bed, our house, our jobs, all our possessions and loved ones. We've been practicing dying every night as the world loses it's shape and form. 1/3 our our lives is spent in sleep. Yet we are immortal and we only descended into the limitations and boundaries of mortality for the experience, the drama and the contrast.
As a practitioner of Nichiren Buddhism and member of the Soka Gakkai ... an international organization of laymen who oracrice
The point is we go to sleep every night and wouldn't know if we never woke up, so what's the problem?
I literally and totally can't comprehend none existence. All I'm fimiliar with is existence.
The only way life after death could be scientifically explained is for this universe (U1) to have a twin universe (U2) such that each particle in U1 universe is Quantum Entangled with its corresponding particle in U2 universe. Through this entanglement, all the events and information from U1 universe are passed to U2 universe in real time and when a person dies in U1 universe, his/her twin in U2 universe is unentangled from U1 universe and can start phase 2 of his/her life. This process shall continue till the person reaches the absolute universe.
Oh super. I'm relieved. A near seamless transition..
I always enjoy Robert Lawrence Kuhn and his “journey to get closer to truth.” Robert often qualifies metaphysical discussions with “it has to 'make sense.'” But, what if what we now consider "making sense" isn't so limited in a next life? That simply means being open to the idea that what doesn't seem to make sense now may make sense then. We have to at least allow for that possibility and not use that rationale to disqualify what are otherwise coherent positions.
This particular topic, however, is unique in that it involves mysteries we can't possibly understand from our present perspective. It's similar to the fact that when we were children, you and I (and Robert) could not "make sense" of the thoughts, the wisdom, the decisions, the experience of adults. But that doesn't make them any less real. The next life (or, as Robert puts it, “if there is a next life”) must be, at the very least, very unlike this one. How unlike it, we can't know. The apostle Paul, quoting the prophet Isaiah, said “eye has not seen nor has ear heard nor has it entered into the minds of men what God has in store for those who love Him.” The likelihood that we can't presently imagine the experience of a next life makes abundant sense to me.
We cannot imagine what the other side looks like. It will be a completely different realm. But we can prepare for it while we are on earth. Maybe that is the most important thing to do here.
If you cannot even imagine it, how do you prepare for it?
@@cloudoftime By studying scriptures and following the spiritual intuition.
The overall trouble with old speakers here is that they all appear to be scientifically prove something on the basis of belief rather than tangible evidence. And regarding afterlife the representatives here simply carry the basic tenets and rhetoric of their respective religions to afterlife which renders these interpretations merely political statements because these are the very claims used to control masses by the major religions and obviously not just abrahamic ones. Christianity simply transfers the sense of guilt to afterlife by simply suggesting that will have physical bodies and all sorts of biological functions but not sexuality. This is very much along the lines of the Catholic tradition that we only have sex to reproduce. On the other hand the conventional rhetoric of Islam contradicts this by saying that we will have quite a promiscuous lifestyle in the afterlife where the maths doesn't seem to make sense given the 1/72 ratio and this essentially reflects the semi-concealed materialistic nature of mainstream Islam. The very last comments make whole lot more sense by referring to afterlife as a mysterious mode of existence which we can only feel but cannot prove to exist
From what you just said impliedly religion is just a crazy idea. Religion was created to decieve people for their own benefit.
St. Paul said: "eye has not seen, ear has not heard"...
Robert Lawrence, you are an eternal seeker, but I don't think anyone really knows the truth of all creation. We are all only human beings. Scientists have just theories, ideas, thoughts, nothing else, just like the rest of us in this planet. Philosophy is beautiful and enchanting, but that is all. Like life, there's a secret hidden. I believe in a Creator Force, mysterious and magnificent. I belive that this universal Force is the Giver of the breath of life. We will encounter Him after we leave our bodies, I believe. Why don't you just accept It? Live your life, practice kindness and compassion for you are a gift of that compassionate One in the universe. Your videos are nice to watch, but I ask you, what else do you want from HIM?
Proof is what we want
I can't think of ever listening to such eloquent, articulate and well spoken horseshit.
Lol
I really don’t think i want to spend eternity like a monastic monk, to be honest.
This description of heaven can only come the religious hood with total lack of creativity.
The body dies, and logically with it all the needs and thirsts of having flesh. There's no sex, pizza, and beer in heaven. It's probably gonna look a lot like work. You just need to decide if you can be satisfied with that, or you want to stay haunting this dying wet rock reminiscing forever.
When you die, it's the transfer of energy such as minerals for other life, such as food for plants ect. Everything in our universe works this way, the transfer of energy, birth and rebirth.
When he says "I do know ____".... I'm thinking.... how do you know that sir. How can you possibly know that?
He doesn’t. He’s just too full of himself.
Actually nobody knows really.
loooool. faith isnt about knowing
Eternal life would be great for the first 900 quadrillion millennia. But that does not even scratch the surface of how long you’re going to be around. It’s probably going to get a bit old after a while
I dont think most people can truly grasp the concept of eternity. Its just a word to them.
No one in their right mind would want to live forever.
first understand that you were not born into eternal life but that you are eternal life. Your eternal life doesn't have a beginning. When you remember your true home, you enter that place where you are and always have been.
i am still looking for a god that will not threaten me with death if i do not worship him or believe in him and that will accept me for who i am, It looks like that god does not exist :)
The Houston person is basically closer to what's going on my mind. Great question and answers. B
I think we all just simply die and stop existing :(
@Jeremiah I hope I do, but you dont know either so dont act as if you know. Im tired of people thinking something is true just because they believe in it and have it in a book. Stop it.
@@Gabriel-iu5je we believe in it because there are tons of scientific evidence. Not just the church said so.
@@fritzcervz6945 Noup there is not, dont lie to yourself
@@Gabriel-iu5je it's not a lie. Its just you that is so closed minded and too materialistic.
@@fritzcervz6945 yeah it is my fault God doesnr show himself obviously its my fault im so blind and you are so open minded to it, jokes on you.
*If you think about it Heaven and Hell are already here in this existence, some people are conscious of it and they're trying to make their lives a Paradise before they go to the real one, but for others things will be clear to them only after death and they have to go through Hell to reach Paradise*
Well the Hindi guy stole my thunder . But put in another way, eternal life is right now, the universe we experience is eternal so therefore our connection with it is eternal. We will always be aware that we are aware Which supersedes the limits of the flesh and ends up in an eternal regression and eternal progression. And so after the flesh is gone the universe will look the same but just from the perspective of hyper awareness, hyper expansion
In other words, an higher or cosmic form of consciousness
@@realnumber9show326 I think depending on the scale, the smallest part of the universe could have an infinite number of experiences depending on the scale of who we are postmortem , and any different configuration of the senses . Our senses inhibit our awareness, not enhance it . In the end though , I think the universe has to be all in our heads anyway because if it were external to us , it would be so eternally vast, we would be unable to be familiar with anything.
@@MrSanford65 So in essence, the all of awareness is our minds. Consciousness creates the universe, and so on and so forth
@@realnumber9show326 Yeah it’s all about the illumination of our own meaning. Basically without being too long winded the mind can only be familiar with the extension of his own concepts. Whatever we know of the universe has already been known to us already because how could a mind supersede its own capacity of what it can know ? We should not be able to learn not one single thing more about the universe because it is quite impossible for the mind to extend itself beyond itself . Space and time are simply measures of a distances between arm meaning and our purposes
I was hoping to here more about.
1st Corinthians 2:9
About Paradise. For those who are favored by God. The bible says In my father's house there are many rooms. These are things that make me wonder. We will be in Spirit form. I believe heaven is like a constant felling of excitement and joy. I believe we would be able to teleport our bodies from one place to another with a thought. Maybe all the beast and birds of this world will be there. And we would communicate with them. I ones had a dream that I was flying and I was above all the building. I was sad when I woke up. Heaven.
People who have had near death experiences say there is no such thing as time in the other reality (if it exists). So if there is no such thing as time in the other reality then boredom shouldn't become a problem. A billion years will just be like one second and one second will be like a billion years. Time will have no meaning.
People who have had NDE’s are not an authority on anything in particular.
@@moonshoes11
Even if people who have had NDEs were an “authority” on a particular subject this an appeal to authority fallacy lol!! Equally, what if a doctor had NDEs he’s clearly an authority on something isn’t he? medicine perhaps lol!! Sorry but your triggered comment does not even make sense!!
@@georgedoyle2487
First, my comment wasn’t based on being triggered. So, it is obvious you’re projecting.
The point you missed is that just because someone has an NDE experience, doesn’t mean they’re qualified to make informed or correct conclusions about their experience. It seems to me, you want to accept a brain which is experiencing trauma and lacking oxygen somehow becomes magic.
Sorry if you can’t understand. I can type more slowly if it helps.
@@georgedoyle2487
It isn’t an appeal to authority fallacy if they were an authority on the subject of NDE’s.
The pot you’re so gleefully willing to ignore is that even if someone who experiences an NDE isn’t an authority on the subject.
@@moonshoes11
“Magic”
“I can type more slowly”
Ho the irony!! Talk about triggered lol. I definitely easily rattled your cage.
(Relativism, strictly reductive materialism, militant atheism or philosophical naturalism):
“The belief that there was “nothing”, and nothing didn’t really mean nothing as there was no such thing as meaning, and then nothing much happened to nothing except nothing and then nothing suddenly magically exploded for no reason whatsoever, creating everything, and then a bunch of everything suddenly magically rearranged itself -- for no reason whatsoever -- into self replicating bits which then turned into something that meant everything. But ultimately it didn’t really mean everything or anything as everything is ultimately meaningless.” (Atheism)
And they mock other peoples beliefs!!
Yeah perfectly “sane” and makes perfect sense lol. About as much sense as your “triggered” “magic” argument!! Not to mention your appeal to “authority” fallacy!!
There was something written in the Phenomenology of Perception by Merleau Ponty, if I am not calling it wrong, like: "there is no internal man, the man in the world" so everything related with the visible world, nothing else but the imagination maybe but its correlated, seems.
I was dead before I was born I'm pretty sure it will be like that.
And The limited evidence we have agrees with me.
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What’s more being dead didn’t bother you one little bit.
Evidence that you can't find where the Conscious is located for decades and quantum mechanics pointing out that the brain is just a transmitter and conscious is not materialistic thing, which explains why people in comas can hear people, or people under anesthesia can see doctors operate on them, if the brain is a transmitter then ofc if you damage ur radio then the radio won't be able to transmit as well as it did, very easy to understand really but need more reading.
@@poorboi8093 All evidence points to consciousness being a byproduct of the brain. Quantum mechanics says nothing about consciousness or that the brain is a transmitter someones been bullshitting you.
I was under anesthetic not long ago, I heard nothing seen nothing. If people in comas hear someone they hear with their ears.
if the brain is a transmitter?? if the brain has wheels it must be a car.
It's not easy at all which is why it has been discussed for hundreds of years.
@@Bandit19990 people are conscious with half a brain meaning that half of their brain was ripped out, yet they still were they, if it was a product of the brain then that would make no sense, it’s simply not a material thing, I gave you perfect analogy, if u wreck the radio or it gets old it won’t transmit as it used too or not transmit at all, I mean if you have well regarded scientists who are atheists and even they can’t figure it out u expect some children to state that it’s the product of the brain lmao
Blaise Pascal says that "Nature has some perfections to show that she is the image of God, and some defects to show that she is only His image. " In other words, this world is a defective reflection of the spiritual world, therefore here love turns into lust, life turns into survival, relationships turn into mutual exploitation and any kind of fickle bliss turns into grief.
Glad you interviewed Huston Smith. I wanted a Christian take that sounded more plausible. “The dew drop that allows the ocean into it” (or something close to that).
Other considerations - why is there something rather than nothing now? And from a different angle, is the time space continuum itself eternal?
Of course I hope (and most of the time believe) that there is something rather than nothing beyond this life, but the best you can do is give a metaphor with plausible hints. Anything too descriptive just sounds hokey. Our minds simply can’t conceive it.
I'm still learning about death that one day I be dead and gone but as long I have God but keep him in his word that when I do die God won't leave me even if I'm not alive God is there with you when your gone to the next life I called that spiritual sleep be the present with God when you live right with God's word what I believe as long Jesus give me the wisdom to speak the true when comes to death
Waving our arms in appreciation thanking our provider for giving us brains
Thank you eon time! 👩🏽🚀🙈🙉❤️
You think an hour long church service is tough, try an eternity
Death of may body, is not the end of my life, life is not matter is energy (spirit) in this life and the next one stay in the light.
You have to REMEMBER having HAD all those lives to have eternity.......
Based on the only empirical evidence we have, NDEs, eternal life sounds great.
Eternal or everlasting life is life perfectly and endlessly renewing the person that possesses it. It is a never ending recycling of the person as he or she maintains the optimal human physical age and maturity, which is about 30 years for men and 25 for women.
Another interesting episode, Mr. Kuhn. I try to give very little thought to whatever eternity means, or how it will manifest itself-if in fact it exists. I doubt I will be given a choice. Hopefully it will be a place that is perfectly suited for me (no harp playing).
A subject with an infinite duration isn't possible in Chalmer's idealist identity cosmopsychism, but all subjects (finite cardinality) in the Eternal Return each cumulatively sum to "eternal life" with infinite repetition of the same finite duration.
One unnerving aspect of this video is that even though no one whose body was in fact dead and decaying has ever seen a cohort of zombies crawl out if their graves. And yet the subjects of body and spirit are discussed as if there actually were souls or spirits. Everyone advocating soul or spirit are offering nothing that anyone could be confident of. Such discussions are a waste of time if one is really seeking truth(s). Also, there's a big difference between believing and knowing unless one is sufficiently confused to think knowledge (I.e. 'knowing) and belief are the same when they are not. Next, it is far more unlikely having a physical body that survives all time than even the idea if there being a supernatural creator. Reason, (and they know it) Matter is and always will be an imperfect thing. Matter changes all the time, it mutates into other forms, it's subject to the physical laws of nature, material things 'age', they break down, even combine to make a thing new, etc. But in every case they are all temporary. So claiming physical bodies will live forever completely ignores the nature of physicality.
I haver a very very sad life, but I still LOVE to be alive. I want to live forever somehow. …The sad fact is that after we die there will be nothing, Life is most likely an accident.
it’s not sad. look at it like before you were born
Lawrence Kuhn has the world's best "job". ❤
Death is nothing like sleep.Not at all.prior to sleep there seem to be a feeling of repose. Whereas before actual death one must feel restless n
Pain even if apparently one may be dying peacefully
It’s really fascinating to explore the ideas of immortality presented by world religions. In the judo-Islamic tradition, I believe as mentioned in Torah and Quran the resurrection is like an exhaustive reconstruction of each of our individual physical body.
It has something to do with present day cosmology.A physical body can be exhaustively defined by inverse of it’s entropy ie the more our body particles diffuse,the more we contribute to the increase of entropy of the the universe.As the thermodynamic aero of time reverses the entropy of any sub system will retrace its individual entropy throughout the whole evolution of it’s cosmic journey.Thereby attaining it’s physical resurrection of individual body to assume the same entropy as at the time of internment or before.
It will continue it’s cosmic journey until it reunites with its origin to be able to enter the newly evolving universe where the entropy would be constant ( ie eternal)
In Islam the resurrection is not with the physical body.
In Islam, the idea of spirit differs from all other contemporary religions.The Islamic equivalent of spirit do not mean any immaterial entity.The most obvious verse in Quran about the spirit (ruh in Arabic) claims it to be a set or array of God’s command. If we recall the biological phenomena of our birth it becomes apparent that as soon as our parent’s chromosomes cross over ,a very large number of chemically coded commands start coming from our parent’s genes to construct the foetus.This set or array of commands may have been referred in Quran as ruh or spirit.It’s like a mathematical operator a matrix with billions of elements,when enacts on proportioned building materials,produces living beings.There is nothing abstract or immaterial in Islamic faith.Quran in essence describes the physics of everything,not unreal metaphysics.
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According to your interpretation , when Humans die the spirit vanishes since everything is material ,this is against the Quran
please refer verse 17:84 of Quran.This is perhaps the most unambiguous verse about the “spirit”(ruh in Arabic) in the Quran.It is said to be all about God’s commands related to our creation.There is no other verse in Quran suggesting that it is not.So the idea that human posses a ghost like immortal substance is not found or implied any where in Quran.It’s a set set of God’s
command.And that’s preserved in the cosmos and conserved as any other set of information. It will ominously and surely be used by the evolving universe at a certain point in it’s journey towards the end.This mechanics of universal physical resurrection is already been there as set fourth by God.So where is the relevance of a ghost like immaterial substance called spirit?
@@mddeedaruddoha2968
Our disagreement is about whether the resurrection is physical or not?
You've said that Humans don't possess an immortal self but in the same time you're saying the Spirit is a set of command that will be preserved!!
Do you believe that the resurrection will be with the bodies we're having now on this earth?
Can you explain what will happen to us after death,of course using your understanding of Quranic verses.
it never ceases to amaze me how secure believers speak about heaven and resurrected bodies, is there any of them who admits that their whole belief system is based on mere speculations?
Of course speculation is the only way we can think of it at all. If there is nothing at all then there is nothing and we cease to exist period even in Spirit. But I do not believe the afterlife or say after death of the physical life that we become ceaseless. We are not past being a human. The difference we have from animals is the ability to think and ask such questions. Easy to look at eternity as an existence that is just like what we have right now. We have a lot you. Learn yet. As I've said previously we are still in preschool. It's those that waste our time talking about things they may never get at all, and more than likely if religious you hold your beliefs as a right to judge all others. Which is self-righteous. I don't want to be like that I want to. Learn. Why ammo reading the comments? Curiosity of Psychology and why humans are acting the way they are considering it's the 21st Century. Seems easier to regress back 50 years and act like the Beaver asking his older brother a question. That is what I feel people have decided to to act like these days. Easy to listen and believe even when what you makes no sense. I always question. Everyone dislikes the way I think for myself. But if I didn't I wouldn't have the happiness I have had because I would be convinced that hell would be my eternity.
I can’t fathom how the the Christian philosopher, JP, can turn people’s heads and convince them he is right with the amount of times he said “I don’t know/I’m not sure/we don’t know/I’d have to think/I don’t think that would be necessary”.
Aka the same baseless arguments of most theologians… “I believe in God and so should you.. but I just can’t give any tangible proof to it, ya just gotta believe!”
Yes… and I can also believe that down is up and up is down, but according to physics we know that’s false.
Almost all religion has its own perception of how is eternal life is going to be ,the question is who got the right perception?
This is the true perception
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Islam, ,, "and whoever seek other than ilam as religion will not be accepted from him and in the hereafter will be one of the losers" ,, this a vers from the holy quran
The fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is Islam believe that all kind of worships is no longer exist in paradise, except praising to God because of all pleasures they get.
I cannot believe JP Moreland.... There are a number of distinguished thinkers/philosophers in this video. How in the world did JP Moreland make it into the video? Appalling.... Good comic relief, though. There were points in there where I almost fell over laughing! 😆
Is knowledge and consciousness dependent on the other?
You have not experienced and will never experience the state of non-existence. Eternal life is not necessary for this to be true.
This is very true since it is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious.
Summary: We have no clue, but that does not stop some of us from making wild guesses. However, If believing leads to a more satisfying life, then maybe that is enough.
Same for disbelieving.
No, there are lots of clues, but understanding is very fuzzy from this side.
Trouble is that this way of thinking has caused much wretchedness in the world
@@bogtrotter5110 no it hasn't.
Having an unending material life experience out of your single conscious mind. BTW, we have a very ancient conscious mind that keeps coming back into the material world.
i shall worship cthulu forever
I feel like I've always been here,so therefore I have.
Richard Swinburn heaven sounds like the way Harry krishna's followers live their lives, worship, song and dance
We continue on beyond the physical. Regardless of what we agree on. The commentary on this particular piece, is very thought provoking. It causes you to use your ability of advanced or higher consciousness to truly understand the continumum of life
How do you know this?
@@oskarngo9138 These concepts have been documented and illustrated throughout time. From the greatest philosophers, scientists, and theologians
@@realnumber9show326 That doesn't make those concepts accurate.
@@golden-63 Accuracy, is based in the understanding of proof. These concepts have been presented time and time again
So far i do not know anybody who lives forever, but i like your theory
We know that in the afterlife there are no problems to solve, so we won't need to do anything.
There are no TVs or computers or musical instruments, only one book and no girls.
But I'm sure I'll be very happy in the bosom of Abraham (Luke 16:22)
I guess its like dreaming we all apparently have them but we just can't prove it.
Hi, if you die at 93 years old, would you be 93 years old the entire afterlife , or die 8 months old, so you are 8 months old in the afterlife and happy, or disable ? E.P.
The christian view makes absolutely no sense to me... either
1) we live forever with our bodies, staying the same people, fighting with our limitations as human beings (even if given superpowers), for an eternity of boredom and meaninglessness
or 2) we become something totally different, thus not being ourselves, so we can't possibly look forward to it.
How can Morland believe that we will never get bored just doing the mundane things we are familiar with, like turning a hillside purple. As humans, we understand things a certain way. We, as individuals, are who we are because we only live for so long, and it's based on our knowledge and biological drives. Even then, you are not the same person at 60 as you were at 16, and you will definitely not be the same person in 100,000 years as you became by 60.
But can you imagine living for 1,000 years? How about 100,000? And 100,000,000? And 100,000,000,000? What about 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000? This cannot be fathomed, and this still isn't eternity. To say by this time you wouldn't be an entirely different thing, and to say by this time you wouldn't exhaust your simple human desires, is absurd and shallow wishful thinking.
To elaborate, say there was some god that made it so you never got bored, as boredom is just a state of not feeling interest in something. This would then change the meaning of boredom, and the concept of "freedom" (which some of these people believe in). If this God could simply remove your boredom, then you could literally do the same task over and over, or stare at a wall, and not be bored. You wouldn't need to have the option to do "endless" things. But I bet this situation doesn't sound enticing to these hopeful theists.
@@cloudoftime if boredom is removed then freedom is removed as well
@@fparent That was the entitlement of my point. However, if a god created the nature of humans such that we become bored, we were forced to experience that boredom. And we are forced to feel the desire for the things that relieve our boredom. We don't choose our interests, they just occur to us based on our natural inclinations which are from our nature which was forced upon us by this alleged "God". There isn't any freedom in that anyway.
After listening to the first bible humper I had to take a nap, when I started watchng the 2nd biblical baffoon he sounded so crazy I went on to another of the series videos.
I think logically, if we die then we experience emptiness / unconsciousness, when a random infinite universe accidentally creates us physical body form that coincides with our current state now, then we will rise again and regain consciousness, and we unconsciousness will feel consciousness again in an instant moment, because the unconsciousness never knows or never realizes how much time has passed, even though our unconsciousness lasts for a very long time, for example millions of years or billions of years, maybe even trillions ... years of unconsciousness will only be felt as an instant moment by conciousness again.
The wish is father to the thought.
It's going to be great!
Fear of death is root cause of all religions & philosophies.
On May 9, 1996 Jesus appeared to me and asked me to work with him to give the world updates on things he learned after the crucifixion. My problem is few Christian's and others refused to accept this is truth. I have learned there is a soul records in heaven referred to as the book of life. It is a long playing technicolor film of the high quality of a Hollywood film and on that film is a record of every thing we do in this lifetime. He can review that record and channel information to Humans here on earth that can enable them to solve crimes and all sort of events. He can look into the past and future of everyone on earth and use it for good and solve crimes and map peoples destiny. I have a problem with some people refusing to believe this. Jesus wants to make some updates and share new truths he has experienced since the Crucifxion.
You seem to have more than one problem. Stating the obvious about Christianity and pretending that no one else thinks this or that it's true. Every Christian thinks what you think by the sounds of it. Jesus hasn't taught you anything by what you've written here. Updates, you're such a tease like all religious people. Teasing yourself mainly.
start breaking the pills in half
I was created designed and built to unlock purgatory. I played right and wrong
Everyone here 🕋is You in a different cubic dimension of space time 🗝
Time just goes the One way..💡
When somebody goes to the Bible to explain something I am immediately put off. If my body in heaven is what others can get a hold of and see, could I choose to be my 24 her old body?
What is your life like?
Same answer
We just take different forms
The Lord Jesus appeared to his disciples after His resurrection and retained His personality. That's all the answer I need on your continued preoccupation with this subject, Mr. Kuhn.
It must be nice to be a dreamer, alas I am a realist. Nothingness until birth gives us consciousness. And just as everything in the universe death will end consciousness.
Good Day, to every one, to Sir , its my first, to make this kind of very eye opening, intellectual, higher brain collective thoughts, that this Apps,I think if all human being,will be looking for truth in this Barrowed Life of ours, the Truthfulness will Set As Free, from this world of confusions, in search for the meaningful, why are we, here on this planet earth, ETERNAL Life, .can found only to those how has a heart of Humility, Pride is hinders all the Question of life I thank you.
You are the god of this hefta.
Please do a talk with Indian scientist Dr Ashoke sen
Thank you
Im curious, practitioners in various religious,sientific and philosophic circles, state views here.
Can we please check out our peoples whom channel other, deceased beings.
Me, myself and I, thoroughly enjoy you..
Eternal life is about infinite hapiness. Infinite pleasure. Of course humans do not know what that means.
The difficulty in conceiving eternity is linked to the difficulty in conceiving the “glorious body” and its strange properties.
For example: the idea that having all the time involves the risk of boredom. But this presumes limitations that are human characteristics but not properties of the “glorious body”.
Let's look at an experience that leads us to annoyance:
If we hear a song we like and listen to it again, what happens? The first auditions involve pleasure. But, as we continue the repetition, the pleasure begins to diminish and after a certain point, we begin to feel bored and want to turn off the device.
Now the “glorious body” doesn't know what boredom is and listening to a song that you like always gives you the same pleasure, regardless of the possibly astronomical number of times you repeat that listening.
This is so because the “glorious body” was designed for eternity unlike the human body.
Of course there are many other differences, but that would make the comment too long.
Life is not only overrated, it's also overvalued. The fact is, the non-existence of a living being is an intrinsically ideal default. That's before good ol' mom and dad f@ck it up of course.
The notion of the non-existence of a living being is self-referentially absurd. Being alive is the intrinsically ideal default state of living beings, because to be anything other than alive means one is not a living being.
There will be plenty of time for nonexistence after I'm dead.
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Then let's change it to the intrinsically ideal non-existence of a _would-be_ living being (in lieu of its subsequent existence).
You are either depressed or a serious pessimist.
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It's according to my own self-perception that I'm a self-loathing misanthrope. That is to say, I hate myself as much as I hate all of you. Even so, in my own defense, it's a hatred that isn't dishonest.
Eternal life is... respectively sooner or later becomes boring at some point, unless... well, unless you permanently switch roles and forget everything - at least for a while - about your last role in order to have that illusion of experiencing something totally new. But... whow, whow, whow... wait! That's exactly the concept behind reincarnation, isn't it? ;)
What is important is what is happening now while I am alive not after death.
why so?
so why even be on youtube? you're message disallows anything past tense or forward
That is like saying that the future is not important.
@@jamese9283 the future is now.
@@hamzaaitbourhim Since I am a creationalist I would say I am the function of I am the current expression of the energy release 15 billion year ago that is coming to flower in me now yeah that it would come to flower in my childrens in the next generation etc absolutely, quantitevly we are 15 billion year old or eternal if you actually count from something, nothing, I don't know., an explosion. You have absolute value. You have eternal being. And you could even say it took 15 billion year it took eternity to make me that I the stuff of I have always been. It just coalescing in me any given year however it has always been. You follow. One of the things Jesus realized in the last supper is that this person he used to think was born in 3 bc or c depending of how you are counting was really an expression of eternal being of God. You can come to that understanding if you look at the starts tonight and say how does all this fit together? What am I looking at? What does this say about me? You could say it took 15 billion year it took eternity to make me WOW! Your body is a physical expression of divine and absolute being. However we tent no to make that statement. We tent to go the other way of who one is in term of God.
"If God is as depicted," THE cruxbof the matter.
I feel it's terrible to be slave of god .our soul should be allowed to do what it makes it happy .iam Mir from Tehran .Iran I love all your program on you tube
no escape, is a much more useful way to think about "eternal life", helps define the purpose of life.
Doing life badly, hurts. We don’t want that, especially not forever.
Holy Shmolly! Some people know a heck of a lot about heaven without any scriptural support... color our hands green? Lol!
Eternal life your awareness would be Disembodied.
No mind as that is also considered BODY of course no brain either.
You Would NOT be in physical form.
You are consciousness, awareness, Bliss.
The world is a RELECTION of this holy Tri-Unity Or Triune
For I AM BRAHMAN
Is there really a spiritual life? Even science can confirm that the human body is composed of many forms of energy among which are chemical, electrical, mechanical, and other forms of energy. According to scientists, energy can neither be created nor destroyed (1st Law of Thermodynamics). So, when someone passes away, his or her energy (the essence of that person) will have to continue to exist in some form. No longer in a physical body, this energy will continue to exist in what may be referred to as a spirit.
Makes no sense to be created by God in which belief or disbelief in God impacts our eternal life - yet we were designed with no ability to discern there is a God. We were born with physical senses, but use of those senses has nothing to do with our personnel eternity. Like having a math class and then the test is on science.
In Heaven we will have the life we wanted. We can do anything we want and desire.
Secondly, we will have the vision and pleasure of God. Which is worth more than everything else.
'We can do anything we want and desire' - exactly what the majority of people are doing right now. Look around and see the results - violence, greed, selfishness - your 'Heaven' won't be much different.
In any case, you've entirely missed the point - the Bible defines the conditions that will exist in the future and human behavior will determine the outcome for each individual. No-one will escape the coming day of judgement - some will survive and others will not.
@@Chris_Sheridan we cannot do anything we want. I cannot eat without any consequences. Heaven is more detailed in the Quran.
There is only one heaven. Not mine or yours. Before goin there everyone will be cleansed. There will be no hatred. Infact this is mentioned in our teachings. You should read up.
@@DWAGON1818 Why should I read up on your nonsense?
You don't know what you're talking about. Humans will not get a free pass to heaven or anywhere else - there is going to be a judgement - a separation of the wicked from the righteous. The wicked will be destroyed because they did not repent of their wicked deeds - the righteous are those who complied and submitted to doing God's will - they will receive everlasting life after the final judgement. This is taught in scripture that precedes the Qu'ran.
@@Chris_Sheridan if you haven't read it then why are you quoting the Quran. What you just wrote about the Judgement day is how it is mentioned in the Quran. I guess we don't have a problem.
@@DWAGON1818 I haven't quoted anything from the Qu'ran - I have presented an outline of what the Bible teaches. Further, the Bible is more specific on matters concerning heaven and earth.
The Qu'ran has nothing to say about future events that will take place on earth - only the Bible contains prophecy - future knowledge can only be revealed by God.
Psalm 37:10, 11 & 29
2 Timothy 3:1-4
Jesus foretold world events that would take place during the 'last days' - Matthew chapter 24 & Luke chapter 21.