@@shukridida Yes, I don't think believers really think that through very carefully. I think they just believe God is going to take care of all that anxiety. I mean, why would God allow misery from living forever when he was just fine with slavery and holding people responsible for the sins that he created in people in the first place? It's all such a monumentally silly and spindly construction of beliefs.
Sir, I very much enjoy this series. I don't have much room for religion, at least organized religion in which self-important 'experts' tell me what they think god wants. I understand the reasons for covering this, but I surely don't put any stock into any of their opinions. I have opinions too, I just don't go around telling people my opinion is god's word. Thank you for all of your hard work, and I'll continue to hang out and learn with you
"The anecdotal evidence is unscientific, and the scientific evidence is nil." Of course, because life after death is one of the many areas that science is largely unable to study. Science is really good in certain areas, but can't answer everything.
@@Hhjhfu247 You seem to have a non-classical definition of science. Classical science observes things that can be repeated to confirm by anyone. How can science prove the afterlife or God? How can supernatural phenomena be tested?
Huston Smith is a spiritual hero! ...The two Christians at the beginning, sorry to say: Probably some of the most ridiculous answers to metaphysical questions I have ever heard.
If you think some part of yourself will live forever, what part will that be? Your thoughts? But your thoughts are different every minute, you don't even remember the thoughts you were having last week, much less those you had before you started the first grade. What is that "you" that has thoughts and memories and posseses a mind? Just a vague but stubbornly persistent sense of "me"-ness? When you are absorbed in concentration or some task like art you forget yourself. You don't even know what exists right now let alone what might live forever.
I would say you are YOU, What YOU have become in the mind, in the person, in the character just before you take your last breath and close your eyes from this world! That would be YOU! That would be WE, all of us!! The CHOICE to alter your mind, your person, and your character would come to an end in this world of DUALITY! You will then enter into a dimension where alteration will not be possible, the singularity. There will be no beginning or no end. You will progress ONLY in what you have already BECOME in this present world of DUALITY, where everything is created in PAIRS and has its counterpart. And this anticipated world of SINGULARITY, where things are not paired, have no counterpart and therefore alteration would not be possible, and it would be an ETERNITY, with no beginning and no end! It would be Steady and Continuous Progression in the CHOICE that you had already made in this world. I would suggest here, therefore, to make the choice of the kind of person you would be happy with in this world, that you wouldn't want to change ever before you leave this world! 😀😀😀😀
Robert Lawrence Kuhn: said: "I cannot imagine going to sleep and never waking up." We are all one egotistical or vain thought away from accepting our death. Yet we all go to sleep each night, which is losing everything we are conscious of in our waking life. Our consciousness of a self, our bed, our house, our jobs, all our possessions and loved ones. We've been practicing dying every night as the world loses it's shape and form. 1/3 our our lives is spent in sleep. Yet we are immortal and we only descended into the limitations and boundaries of mortality for the experience, the drama and the contrast.
I always enjoy Robert Lawrence Kuhn and his “journey to get closer to truth.” Robert often qualifies metaphysical discussions with “it has to 'make sense.'” But, what if what we now consider "making sense" isn't so limited in a next life? That simply means being open to the idea that what doesn't seem to make sense now may make sense then. We have to at least allow for that possibility and not use that rationale to disqualify what are otherwise coherent positions. This particular topic, however, is unique in that it involves mysteries we can't possibly understand from our present perspective. It's similar to the fact that when we were children, you and I (and Robert) could not "make sense" of the thoughts, the wisdom, the decisions, the experience of adults. But that doesn't make them any less real. The next life (or, as Robert puts it, “if there is a next life”) must be, at the very least, very unlike this one. How unlike it, we can't know. The apostle Paul, quoting the prophet Isaiah, said “eye has not seen nor has ear heard nor has it entered into the minds of men what God has in store for those who love Him.” The likelihood that we can't presently imagine the experience of a next life makes abundant sense to me.
One question I'd like to hear discussed is How do you get from God as creator, to God as writer of holy books, to God who wrote this particular holy book---skipping over why he doesn't write more than just one.
Theologically, God created, His creation figured out how to write books, so He inspired one of his creations to write one book in particular. Historically, it was a collection of anecdotes, myths, legends, and parables that had been around for thousands of years, that somebody finally collected and wrote down once the ability to read started becoming more common.
You don't. Religion, naturally, has outdated descriptions of God/Creator. So the tendency among the religious (especially as science emerged & evolved) was to set camp in the general 'creator' space, i.e 'intelligent designer' (something that's easier to defend) and THEN draw parallels back to their respective, very specific Gods.
@@itneeds2bsaid528 Read 2 Timothy 3:16 God did not inspire the bible writers to construct 'myths' or 'legends' - what would be the point? The Bible is instructive, guiding humans on the path to life - it reveals God's standards (laws) that define the difference between right and wrong. The requirements for everlasting life are clearly stated in John 17:3
I think it's all because people love thinking they have access to the OneTruth™. They rejoice in the wrongness of others at least as much as the rightness of what they believe. It's road rage in scripture.
@@bobbabai .. the simple fact is that truth is truth - it stands alone and does not need consensus of opinions that may all be wrong. Not everyone has access to truth because some are wilfully blind to it and others seek to distort and misrepresent it. Without supernatural intervention humankind left to its own devices will steadily sink to the lowest common denominator, hence, the wars, greed and corruption and lack of political agreement and compromise. An historical document accurately foretold the attitude prevalent among people of the 'last days' - 2 Timothy 3:1-4 This same document consisting of 66 books has been used in courts of law as a guarantee by means of conscience and oath for a witness to testify truthfully, yet this same collection of books has been the target for ridicule and criticism by a self-appointed collective ascribing to 'higher' learning and 'critical' thinking preferring their own glory rather than acknowledging the One who created all things and gives truth in abundance to those who sincerely seek it.
Open the mind you may find that you have an intelligence that these people have that they would even ask such questions. Unless you feel you have no soul. Need to work on that. For if you find that you believe in a religion then there's a gigantic problem of afterlife called judgement. But we are all human and our little bitty brains might not be able to comprehend what is asked or have an Imagination that truly intelligent people have that makes them extremely smart. But of course I never hear a truly smart person say out loud that they are really, really, really smart. Those people aren't smart if they have to say it. Thus is where a question, basically the same question asked of educated intelligent people that have studied and read about the subject in question. Personally I think He'll is for people that need to be scared into being a good person. When I think of those that wrote our Bibles that humans explained to others in a simple way for humankind to understand. Pleasure is life eternal. No self gratification as we are in the self first existence. If you don't understand then why listen to the questions. It's a feeling as intuition that derp inside we are knowing yet content that understanding completely will come when we have passed this physical existence. I seem to understand so much more such as quantum physics as an example. I am not expert not educated but all my life I've had a Knowing. Yet listening to others answers gives me more proof every day that earthly religions are very simple and teach as though we are all I. Preschool. I enjoy the questions. As these questions are and have been using n the back of my mind my whole life.
I was pretty shocked when I watched the TV show The Good Place, and found that it ended with the afterlife being almost exactly what I've always hoped it would be. It's perfect. It's also very, very funny. And no particular religion is required.
Eternal life would be great for the first 900 quadrillion millennia. But that does not even scratch the surface of how long you’re going to be around. It’s probably going to get a bit old after a while
Robert Lawrence, you are an eternal seeker, but I don't think anyone really knows the truth of all creation. We are all only human beings. Scientists have just theories, ideas, thoughts, nothing else, just like the rest of us in this planet. Philosophy is beautiful and enchanting, but that is all. Like life, there's a secret hidden. I believe in a Creator Force, mysterious and magnificent. I belive that this universal Force is the Giver of the breath of life. We will encounter Him after we leave our bodies, I believe. Why don't you just accept It? Live your life, practice kindness and compassion for you are a gift of that compassionate One in the universe. Your videos are nice to watch, but I ask you, what else do you want from HIM?
Summary: We have no clue, but that does not stop some of us from making wild guesses. However, If believing leads to a more satisfying life, then maybe that is enough.
i am still looking for a god that will not threaten me with death if i do not worship him or believe in him and that will accept me for who i am, It looks like that god does not exist :)
Glad you interviewed Huston Smith. I wanted a Christian take that sounded more plausible. “The dew drop that allows the ocean into it” (or something close to that). Other considerations - why is there something rather than nothing now? And from a different angle, is the time space continuum itself eternal? Of course I hope (and most of the time believe) that there is something rather than nothing beyond this life, but the best you can do is give a metaphor with plausible hints. Anything too descriptive just sounds hokey. Our minds simply can’t conceive it.
We cannot imagine what the other side looks like. It will be a completely different realm. But we can prepare for it while we are on earth. Maybe that is the most important thing to do here.
The only way life after death could be scientifically explained is for this universe (U1) to have a twin universe (U2) such that each particle in U1 universe is Quantum Entangled with its corresponding particle in U2 universe. Through this entanglement, all the events and information from U1 universe are passed to U2 universe in real time and when a person dies in U1 universe, his/her twin in U2 universe is unentangled from U1 universe and can start phase 2 of his/her life. This process shall continue till the person reaches the absolute universe.
The overall trouble with old speakers here is that they all appear to be scientifically prove something on the basis of belief rather than tangible evidence. And regarding afterlife the representatives here simply carry the basic tenets and rhetoric of their respective religions to afterlife which renders these interpretations merely political statements because these are the very claims used to control masses by the major religions and obviously not just abrahamic ones. Christianity simply transfers the sense of guilt to afterlife by simply suggesting that will have physical bodies and all sorts of biological functions but not sexuality. This is very much along the lines of the Catholic tradition that we only have sex to reproduce. On the other hand the conventional rhetoric of Islam contradicts this by saying that we will have quite a promiscuous lifestyle in the afterlife where the maths doesn't seem to make sense given the 1/72 ratio and this essentially reflects the semi-concealed materialistic nature of mainstream Islam. The very last comments make whole lot more sense by referring to afterlife as a mysterious mode of existence which we can only feel but cannot prove to exist
When you die, it's the transfer of energy such as minerals for other life, such as food for plants ect. Everything in our universe works this way, the transfer of energy, birth and rebirth.
The Lord Jesus appeared to his disciples after His resurrection and retained His personality. That's all the answer I need on your continued preoccupation with this subject, Mr. Kuhn.
I really don’t think i want to spend eternity like a monastic monk, to be honest. This description of heaven can only come the religious hood with total lack of creativity.
The body dies, and logically with it all the needs and thirsts of having flesh. There's no sex, pizza, and beer in heaven. It's probably gonna look a lot like work. You just need to decide if you can be satisfied with that, or you want to stay haunting this dying wet rock reminiscing forever.
On May 9, 1996 Jesus appeared to me and asked me to work with him to give the world updates on things he learned after the crucifixion. My problem is few Christian's and others refused to accept this is truth. I have learned there is a soul records in heaven referred to as the book of life. It is a long playing technicolor film of the high quality of a Hollywood film and on that film is a record of every thing we do in this lifetime. He can review that record and channel information to Humans here on earth that can enable them to solve crimes and all sort of events. He can look into the past and future of everyone on earth and use it for good and solve crimes and map peoples destiny. I have a problem with some people refusing to believe this. Jesus wants to make some updates and share new truths he has experienced since the Crucifxion.
You seem to have more than one problem. Stating the obvious about Christianity and pretending that no one else thinks this or that it's true. Every Christian thinks what you think by the sounds of it. Jesus hasn't taught you anything by what you've written here. Updates, you're such a tease like all religious people. Teasing yourself mainly.
first understand that you were not born into eternal life but that you are eternal life. Your eternal life doesn't have a beginning. When you remember your true home, you enter that place where you are and always have been.
I was hoping to here more about. 1st Corinthians 2:9 About Paradise. For those who are favored by God. The bible says In my father's house there are many rooms. These are things that make me wonder. We will be in Spirit form. I believe heaven is like a constant felling of excitement and joy. I believe we would be able to teleport our bodies from one place to another with a thought. Maybe all the beast and birds of this world will be there. And we would communicate with them. I ones had a dream that I was flying and I was above all the building. I was sad when I woke up. Heaven.
We know that in the afterlife there are no problems to solve, so we won't need to do anything. There are no TVs or computers or musical instruments, only one book and no girls. But I'm sure I'll be very happy in the bosom of Abraham (Luke 16:22)
Hi Mr Robert, in my opinion Mr Richard Swinburne is the rightest one. Congratulations for the great work you are doing, thanks for another great chapter, stunning. 👏👏👏
Eternal life is to live , and die if needed, with God , the wonderful being. It is not a matter of days or years , but is a precious character that arose from a passion for God.
@@hamzaaitbourhim Since I am a creationalist I would say I am the function of I am the current expression of the energy release 15 billion year ago that is coming to flower in me now yeah that it would come to flower in my childrens in the next generation etc absolutely, quantitevly we are 15 billion year old or eternal if you actually count from something, nothing, I don't know., an explosion. You have absolute value. You have eternal being. And you could even say it took 15 billion year it took eternity to make me that I the stuff of I have always been. It just coalescing in me any given year however it has always been. You follow. One of the things Jesus realized in the last supper is that this person he used to think was born in 3 bc or c depending of how you are counting was really an expression of eternal being of God. You can come to that understanding if you look at the starts tonight and say how does all this fit together? What am I looking at? What does this say about me? You could say it took 15 billion year it took eternity to make me WOW! Your body is a physical expression of divine and absolute being. However we tent no to make that statement. We tent to go the other way of who one is in term of God.
Evidence that you can't find where the Conscious is located for decades and quantum mechanics pointing out that the brain is just a transmitter and conscious is not materialistic thing, which explains why people in comas can hear people, or people under anesthesia can see doctors operate on them, if the brain is a transmitter then ofc if you damage ur radio then the radio won't be able to transmit as well as it did, very easy to understand really but need more reading.
@@poorboi8093 All evidence points to consciousness being a byproduct of the brain. Quantum mechanics says nothing about consciousness or that the brain is a transmitter someones been bullshitting you. I was under anesthetic not long ago, I heard nothing seen nothing. If people in comas hear someone they hear with their ears. if the brain is a transmitter?? if the brain has wheels it must be a car. It's not easy at all which is why it has been discussed for hundreds of years.
@@Bandit19990 people are conscious with half a brain meaning that half of their brain was ripped out, yet they still were they, if it was a product of the brain then that would make no sense, it’s simply not a material thing, I gave you perfect analogy, if u wreck the radio or it gets old it won’t transmit as it used too or not transmit at all, I mean if you have well regarded scientists who are atheists and even they can’t figure it out u expect some children to state that it’s the product of the brain lmao
People who have had near death experiences say there is no such thing as time in the other reality (if it exists). So if there is no such thing as time in the other reality then boredom shouldn't become a problem. A billion years will just be like one second and one second will be like a billion years. Time will have no meaning.
@@moonshoes11 Even if people who have had NDEs were an “authority” on a particular subject this an appeal to authority fallacy lol!! Equally, what if a doctor had NDEs he’s clearly an authority on something isn’t he? medicine perhaps lol!! Sorry but your triggered comment does not even make sense!!
@@georgedoyle2487 First, my comment wasn’t based on being triggered. So, it is obvious you’re projecting. The point you missed is that just because someone has an NDE experience, doesn’t mean they’re qualified to make informed or correct conclusions about their experience. It seems to me, you want to accept a brain which is experiencing trauma and lacking oxygen somehow becomes magic. Sorry if you can’t understand. I can type more slowly if it helps.
@@georgedoyle2487 It isn’t an appeal to authority fallacy if they were an authority on the subject of NDE’s. The pot you’re so gleefully willing to ignore is that even if someone who experiences an NDE isn’t an authority on the subject.
@@moonshoes11 “Magic” “I can type more slowly” Ho the irony!! Talk about triggered lol. I definitely easily rattled your cage. (Relativism, strictly reductive materialism, militant atheism or philosophical naturalism): “The belief that there was “nothing”, and nothing didn’t really mean nothing as there was no such thing as meaning, and then nothing much happened to nothing except nothing and then nothing suddenly magically exploded for no reason whatsoever, creating everything, and then a bunch of everything suddenly magically rearranged itself -- for no reason whatsoever -- into self replicating bits which then turned into something that meant everything. But ultimately it didn’t really mean everything or anything as everything is ultimately meaningless.” (Atheism) And they mock other peoples beliefs!! Yeah perfectly “sane” and makes perfect sense lol. About as much sense as your “triggered” “magic” argument!! Not to mention your appeal to “authority” fallacy!!
@Jeremiah I hope I do, but you dont know either so dont act as if you know. Im tired of people thinking something is true just because they believe in it and have it in a book. Stop it.
*If you think about it Heaven and Hell are already here in this existence, some people are conscious of it and they're trying to make their lives a Paradise before they go to the real one, but for others things will be clear to them only after death and they have to go through Hell to reach Paradise*
I feel it's terrible to be slave of god .our soul should be allowed to do what it makes it happy .iam Mir from Tehran .Iran I love all your program on you tube
I can’t fathom how the the Christian philosopher, JP, can turn people’s heads and convince them he is right with the amount of times he said “I don’t know/I’m not sure/we don’t know/I’d have to think/I don’t think that would be necessary”. Aka the same baseless arguments of most theologians… “I believe in God and so should you.. but I just can’t give any tangible proof to it, ya just gotta believe!” Yes… and I can also believe that down is up and up is down, but according to physics we know that’s false.
Don't be afraid of what you don't understand. Eternal life is far beyond logic and reason, well, for humans that is.. We can't go beyond what it means to be human, but we can find meaning and value to "moving mountains with a just a little faith."
As for death, when it comes, would it not feel like the right time to want to survive? Dropping the body will be nothing short of this intense craving.. survival. Personality coupled with Identity constitutes a Life Vehicle is what we all pray for. In the last analysis.
إِنَّ الْمُتَّقِينَ فِي مَقَامٍ أَمِينٍ Verily! The Muttaqun (pious - see V. 2:2), will be in place of Security (Paradise). فِي جَنَّاتٍ وَعُيُونٍ Among Gardens and Springs; يَلْبَسُونَ مِن سُندُسٍ وَإِسْتَبْرَقٍ مُّتَقَابِلِينَ Dressed in fine silk and (also) in thick silk, facing each other, كَذَٰلِكَ وَزَوَّجْنَاهُم بِحُورٍ عِينٍ So (it will be), and We shall marry them to Houris (female fair ones) with wide, lovely eyes. يَدْعُونَ فِيهَا بِكُلِّ فَاكِهَةٍ آمِنِينَ They will call therein for every kind of fruit in peace and security; لَا يَذُوقُونَ فِيهَا الْمَوْتَ إِلَّا الْمَوْتَةَ الْأُولَىٰ وَوَقَاهُمْ عَذَابَ الْجَحِيمِ They will never taste death therein except the first death (of this world), and He will save them from the torment of the blazing Fire, فَضْلًا مِّن رَّبِّكَ ذَٰلِكَ هُوَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ As a Bounty from your Lord! That will be the supreme success! Al-Qur’an 44:51-56
I'm still learning about death that one day I be dead and gone but as long I have God but keep him in his word that when I do die God won't leave me even if I'm not alive God is there with you when your gone to the next life I called that spiritual sleep be the present with God when you live right with God's word what I believe as long Jesus give me the wisdom to speak the true when comes to death
it never ceases to amaze me how secure believers speak about heaven and resurrected bodies, is there any of them who admits that their whole belief system is based on mere speculations?
Of course speculation is the only way we can think of it at all. If there is nothing at all then there is nothing and we cease to exist period even in Spirit. But I do not believe the afterlife or say after death of the physical life that we become ceaseless. We are not past being a human. The difference we have from animals is the ability to think and ask such questions. Easy to look at eternity as an existence that is just like what we have right now. We have a lot you. Learn yet. As I've said previously we are still in preschool. It's those that waste our time talking about things they may never get at all, and more than likely if religious you hold your beliefs as a right to judge all others. Which is self-righteous. I don't want to be like that I want to. Learn. Why ammo reading the comments? Curiosity of Psychology and why humans are acting the way they are considering it's the 21st Century. Seems easier to regress back 50 years and act like the Beaver asking his older brother a question. That is what I feel people have decided to to act like these days. Easy to listen and believe even when what you makes no sense. I always question. Everyone dislikes the way I think for myself. But if I didn't I wouldn't have the happiness I have had because I would be convinced that hell would be my eternity.
One unnerving aspect of this video is that even though no one whose body was in fact dead and decaying has ever seen a cohort of zombies crawl out if their graves. And yet the subjects of body and spirit are discussed as if there actually were souls or spirits. Everyone advocating soul or spirit are offering nothing that anyone could be confident of. Such discussions are a waste of time if one is really seeking truth(s). Also, there's a big difference between believing and knowing unless one is sufficiently confused to think knowledge (I.e. 'knowing) and belief are the same when they are not. Next, it is far more unlikely having a physical body that survives all time than even the idea if there being a supernatural creator. Reason, (and they know it) Matter is and always will be an imperfect thing. Matter changes all the time, it mutates into other forms, it's subject to the physical laws of nature, material things 'age', they break down, even combine to make a thing new, etc. But in every case they are all temporary. So claiming physical bodies will live forever completely ignores the nature of physicality.
The Islamic scholar made the most sense to me and was the most inspiring. His his philosophy is very close to all Eastern philosophies. The first guy was completely and utterly depressing. The second guy was a little crazy but still I think it's likely according to what people have experienced in near death experiences.
After listening to the first bible humper I had to take a nap, when I started watchng the 2nd biblical baffoon he sounded so crazy I went on to another of the series videos.
I cannot believe JP Moreland.... There are a number of distinguished thinkers/philosophers in this video. How in the world did JP Moreland make it into the video? Appalling.... Good comic relief, though. There were points in there where I almost fell over laughing! 😆
Another interesting episode, Mr. Kuhn. I try to give very little thought to whatever eternity means, or how it will manifest itself-if in fact it exists. I doubt I will be given a choice. Hopefully it will be a place that is perfectly suited for me (no harp playing).
When somebody goes to the Bible to explain something I am immediately put off. If my body in heaven is what others can get a hold of and see, could I choose to be my 24 her old body?
The fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is Islam believe that all kind of worships is no longer exist in paradise, except praising to God because of all pleasures they get.
Well the Hindi guy stole my thunder . But put in another way, eternal life is right now, the universe we experience is eternal so therefore our connection with it is eternal. We will always be aware that we are aware Which supersedes the limits of the flesh and ends up in an eternal regression and eternal progression. And so after the flesh is gone the universe will look the same but just from the perspective of hyper awareness, hyper expansion
@@Number9_Media1 I think depending on the scale, the smallest part of the universe could have an infinite number of experiences depending on the scale of who we are postmortem , and any different configuration of the senses . Our senses inhibit our awareness, not enhance it . In the end though , I think the universe has to be all in our heads anyway because if it were external to us , it would be so eternally vast, we would be unable to be familiar with anything.
@@Number9_Media1 Yeah it’s all about the illumination of our own meaning. Basically without being too long winded the mind can only be familiar with the extension of his own concepts. Whatever we know of the universe has already been known to us already because how could a mind supersede its own capacity of what it can know ? We should not be able to learn not one single thing more about the universe because it is quite impossible for the mind to extend itself beyond itself . Space and time are simply measures of a distances between arm meaning and our purposes
There was something written in the Phenomenology of Perception by Merleau Ponty, if I am not calling it wrong, like: "there is no internal man, the man in the world" so everything related with the visible world, nothing else but the imagination maybe but its correlated, seems.
The christian view makes absolutely no sense to me... either 1) we live forever with our bodies, staying the same people, fighting with our limitations as human beings (even if given superpowers), for an eternity of boredom and meaninglessness or 2) we become something totally different, thus not being ourselves, so we can't possibly look forward to it.
Eternal life is about infinite hapiness. Infinite pleasure. Of course humans do not know what that means. The difficulty in conceiving eternity is linked to the difficulty in conceiving the “glorious body” and its strange properties. For example: the idea that having all the time involves the risk of boredom. But this presumes limitations that are human characteristics but not properties of the “glorious body”. Let's look at an experience that leads us to annoyance: If we hear a song we like and listen to it again, what happens? The first auditions involve pleasure. But, as we continue the repetition, the pleasure begins to diminish and after a certain point, we begin to feel bored and want to turn off the device. Now the “glorious body” doesn't know what boredom is and listening to a song that you like always gives you the same pleasure, regardless of the possibly astronomical number of times you repeat that listening. This is so because the “glorious body” was designed for eternity unlike the human body. Of course there are many other differences, but that would make the comment too long.
We continue on beyond the physical. Regardless of what we agree on. The commentary on this particular piece, is very thought provoking. It causes you to use your ability of advanced or higher consciousness to truly understand the continumum of life
Great point. Death is symbolic of moving away from truth: or not having enough truth from the friggin ancestors 🤔 Little fossilized f*ckers! Super pissed they didn’t figure that out yet. 🤬 I came back, edited… because I love the ancestors. No matter how messed up and ignorant hitting each other with clubs and the like, I love them. Our earlier ancestors were tiny fuzzy little guys. Like kittens. 🥰💕
Blaise Pascal says that "Nature has some perfections to show that she is the image of God, and some defects to show that she is only His image. " In other words, this world is a defective reflection of the spiritual world, therefore here love turns into lust, life turns into survival, relationships turn into mutual exploitation and any kind of fickle bliss turns into grief.
Death is nothing like sleep.Not at all.prior to sleep there seem to be a feeling of repose. Whereas before actual death one must feel restless n Pain even if apparently one may be dying peacefully
Having an unending material life experience out of your single conscious mind. BTW, we have a very ancient conscious mind that keeps coming back into the material world.
Makes no sense to be created by God in which belief or disbelief in God impacts our eternal life - yet we were designed with no ability to discern there is a God. We were born with physical senses, but use of those senses has nothing to do with our personnel eternity. Like having a math class and then the test is on science.
Hi, if you die at 93 years old, would you be 93 years old the entire afterlife , or die 8 months old, so you are 8 months old in the afterlife and happy, or disable ? E.P.
It’s really fascinating to explore the ideas of immortality presented by world religions. In the judo-Islamic tradition, I believe as mentioned in Torah and Quran the resurrection is like an exhaustive reconstruction of each of our individual physical body. It has something to do with present day cosmology.A physical body can be exhaustively defined by inverse of it’s entropy ie the more our body particles diffuse,the more we contribute to the increase of entropy of the the universe.As the thermodynamic aero of time reverses the entropy of any sub system will retrace its individual entropy throughout the whole evolution of it’s cosmic journey.Thereby attaining it’s physical resurrection of individual body to assume the same entropy as at the time of internment or before. It will continue it’s cosmic journey until it reunites with its origin to be able to enter the newly evolving universe where the entropy would be constant ( ie eternal)
In Islam, the idea of spirit differs from all other contemporary religions.The Islamic equivalent of spirit do not mean any immaterial entity.The most obvious verse in Quran about the spirit (ruh in Arabic) claims it to be a set or array of God’s command. If we recall the biological phenomena of our birth it becomes apparent that as soon as our parent’s chromosomes cross over ,a very large number of chemically coded commands start coming from our parent’s genes to construct the foetus.This set or array of commands may have been referred in Quran as ruh or spirit.It’s like a mathematical operator a matrix with billions of elements,when enacts on proportioned building materials,produces living beings.There is nothing abstract or immaterial in Islamic faith.Quran in essence describes the physics of everything,not unreal metaphysics.
please refer verse 17:84 of Quran.This is perhaps the most unambiguous verse about the “spirit”(ruh in Arabic) in the Quran.It is said to be all about God’s commands related to our creation.There is no other verse in Quran suggesting that it is not.So the idea that human posses a ghost like immortal substance is not found or implied any where in Quran.It’s a set set of God’s command.And that’s preserved in the cosmos and conserved as any other set of information. It will ominously and surely be used by the evolving universe at a certain point in it’s journey towards the end.This mechanics of universal physical resurrection is already been there as set fourth by God.So where is the relevance of a ghost like immaterial substance called spirit?
@@mddeedaruddoha2968 Our disagreement is about whether the resurrection is physical or not? You've said that Humans don't possess an immortal self but in the same time you're saying the Spirit is a set of command that will be preserved!! Do you believe that the resurrection will be with the bodies we're having now on this earth? Can you explain what will happen to us after death,of course using your understanding of Quranic verses.
Eternal or everlasting life is life perfectly and endlessly renewing the person that possesses it. It is a never ending recycling of the person as he or she maintains the optimal human physical age and maturity, which is about 30 years for men and 25 for women.
I think logically, if we die then we experience emptiness / unconsciousness, when a random infinite universe accidentally creates us physical body form that coincides with our current state now, then we will rise again and regain consciousness, and we unconsciousness will feel consciousness again in an instant moment, because the unconsciousness never knows or never realizes how much time has passed, even though our unconsciousness lasts for a very long time, for example millions of years or billions of years, maybe even trillions ... years of unconsciousness will only be felt as an instant moment by conciousness again.
@@lindal.7242 NDE have lots of current psychological research to explain the hypoxic and chemical changes in the brain and how they manifest. Completely explainable as illusions of a physical process and Occam's Razor discounts an actual supernatural or 'spiritual' realm.
@@connordurham4289 it's just classic that theists start with that default position as assumed true, whereas virtually all atheists always couch their position with acknowledhing more than one possible views
I haver a very very sad life, but I still LOVE to be alive. I want to live forever somehow. …The sad fact is that after we die there will be nothing, Life is most likely an accident.
It's so funny to hear someone who has based their worldview literally around an ancient storybook speaking matter of fact around that and finding reasoning with no self-awareness about how fast that falls apart and lacks any support "Jesus made wine out of water(heresay written long after his death with no evidence) therefore we will be able to turn mountains purple". Such a juxtaposition with a series that is normally having deep philosophical debate about huge questions.
It must be nice to be a dreamer, alas I am a realist. Nothingness until birth gives us consciousness. And just as everything in the universe death will end consciousness.
I can sum up my feelings about Heaven using a quote from the Matrix.. "the paradise matrix was rejected by the minds connected to it" Eternal life in paradise sounds like torture to me.
to everybody, but maybe on the other side thinking doesn't happen in the same way we do it here, so if it´s bliss then there´s no unpleasant feelings. Crazy, isn´t it?
@@ilianamarisolromero7816 If my son commits murder and sent to eternal damnation how can I feel perpetual bliss and remain myself and not mourn my son? It doesn't make sense to me.
@@fparent very good question; I’ll tell you from theory, from the absolute truth which is love… if one loves their son profoundly, from that spot, that center, you could feel the pain that comes from that source of love and make it mean something, meaning, you could forgive your son and yourself, feel deep empathy for the victims your son would leave, and I’m sure that you could live a full life with a better understanding of how the most important things in life are founded on creating (family, society) understanding and forgiveness (the closest to absolute love). I don’t think anything comes close to when we’re moved by emotions, so there lays our bliss, when we overcome loss and suffering
@@fparent I also wanted to add something else: whether you believe in God or not, there’s no eternal damnation, how can there be, Either God forgives us or we cease to exist, either way we only have this moment, we can do with it that which gives the meaning we want, and what we want reveals who we are. Again, either way we win, and what do we win? Again, whatever you want to signify it with. But both you and me and the rest of the world know… we want peace (the closest we get to absolute love)
Islam, ,, "and whoever seek other than ilam as religion will not be accepted from him and in the hereafter will be one of the losers" ,, this a vers from the holy quran
This program should be called the "Wonders of Speculation" and not what it is. Or even "Jumping the Shark". Starting off with, as a first question to a philosopher of religion "what is eternity like?" rather than how does one justify eternal existence of anything at all, much less something as fragile and obviously ephemeral as human consciousness. Consciousness may not survive for some, even through their whole life, much less after its end.
To be honest. I would be fare less disappointed and less annoyed if these individuals simply say: "I don't know".
That would take honesty.
there's perfect spelling in heaven
“I'm not afraid of death; I just don't want to be there when it happens.” Woody Allen
Doctor holding a patient’s wrist: Nurse, this man is dead or my watch has stopped.
Groucho Marx
Woody Allen should be afraid.
I think it's a lot easier to imagine going to sleep and never waking up than it is to imagine living forever. And I think it's less frightening.
I’ve always believed that going to sleep and never waking is not horrible at all. Consciousness ends. That’s worst case.
Eternal life is truly terrifying
@@shukridida Yes, I don't think believers really think that through very carefully. I think they just believe God is going to take care of all that anxiety. I mean, why would God allow misery from living forever when he was just fine with slavery and holding people responsible for the sins that he created in people in the first place?
It's all such a monumentally silly and spindly construction of beliefs.
@@bobbabai exactly
@@shukridida not if you never aged
Sir, I very much enjoy this series. I don't have much room for religion, at least organized religion in which self-important 'experts' tell me what they think god wants. I understand the reasons for covering this, but I surely don't put any stock into any of their opinions. I have opinions too, I just don't go around telling people my opinion is god's word. Thank you for all of your hard work, and I'll continue to hang out and learn with you
If you believe in God. It's your choice to or not. If you do. Fyi God is always spelled with a capital G.Just saying.
"The anecdotal evidence is unscientific, and the scientific evidence is nil."
Of course, because life after death is one of the many areas that science is largely unable to study. Science is really good in certain areas, but can't answer everything.
YET.
@@Hhjhfu247
You seem to have a non-classical definition of science. Classical science observes things that can be repeated to confirm by anyone.
How can science prove the afterlife or God?
How can supernatural phenomena be tested?
The fact that it can't be studied is what makes it unscientific...
@@sleeplessdev7204 It can be studied, but not with science.
it's humble in admitting it can't answer everything.
but it's the only thing we have to answer anything.
Eternal awareness is hell. Can we take breaks from it ? Can we sleep in the afterlife ? Eternal sleep is a preferable fate.
You have infinite hapiness, infinite pleasure! Do you want anything else? (Of course you may sleep!)
@@JohnMartim-sy9yf Stop deluding yourself.
Huston Smith is a spiritual hero! ...The two Christians at the beginning, sorry to say: Probably some of the most ridiculous answers to metaphysical questions I have ever heard.
They were describing a future virtual reality existence, except such Metaverses will no doubt include sex.
I'm dead and I love it over here.
Lucky...
Are you in heaven or hell?
@@arthurwieczorek4894 lol 😂
LOL, we have a winner
Say hi to Jerry Garcia. Thanks 🙏🏻
I can't think of ever listening to such eloquent, articulate and well spoken horseshit.
Lol
If you think some part of yourself will live forever, what part will that be? Your thoughts? But your thoughts are different every minute, you don't even remember the thoughts you were having last week, much less those you had before you started the first grade. What is that "you" that has thoughts and memories and posseses a mind? Just a vague but stubbornly persistent sense of "me"-ness? When you are absorbed in concentration or some task like art you forget yourself. You don't even know what exists right now let alone what might live forever.
I would say you are YOU, What YOU have become in the mind, in the person, in the character just before you take your last breath and close your eyes from this world!
That would be YOU! That would be WE, all of us!!
The CHOICE to alter your mind, your person, and your character would come to an end in this world of DUALITY!
You will then enter into a dimension where alteration will not be possible, the singularity. There will be no beginning or no end. You will progress ONLY in what you have already BECOME in this present world of DUALITY, where everything is created in PAIRS and has its counterpart.
And this anticipated world of SINGULARITY, where things are not paired, have no counterpart and therefore alteration would not be possible, and it would be an ETERNITY, with no beginning and no end! It would be Steady and Continuous Progression in the CHOICE that you had already made in this world.
I would suggest here, therefore, to make the choice of the kind of person you would be happy with in this world, that you wouldn't want to change ever before you leave this world! 😀😀😀😀
Robert Lawrence Kuhn: said: "I cannot imagine
going to sleep and never waking up."
We are all one egotistical or vain thought away from accepting our death. Yet we all go to sleep each night, which is losing everything we are conscious of in our waking life. Our consciousness of a self, our bed, our house, our jobs, all our possessions and loved ones. We've been practicing dying every night as the world loses it's shape and form. 1/3 our our lives is spent in sleep. Yet we are immortal and we only descended into the limitations and boundaries of mortality for the experience, the drama and the contrast.
As a practitioner of Nichiren Buddhism and member of the Soka Gakkai ... an international organization of laymen who oracrice
The point is we go to sleep every night and wouldn't know if we never woke up, so what's the problem?
I literally and totally can't comprehend none existence. All I'm fimiliar with is existence.
My Dream is to change those beautiful mountains PURPLE
My Opinion is this episode clearly demonstrates religions are far from the truth!
I always enjoy Robert Lawrence Kuhn and his “journey to get closer to truth.” Robert often qualifies metaphysical discussions with “it has to 'make sense.'” But, what if what we now consider "making sense" isn't so limited in a next life? That simply means being open to the idea that what doesn't seem to make sense now may make sense then. We have to at least allow for that possibility and not use that rationale to disqualify what are otherwise coherent positions.
This particular topic, however, is unique in that it involves mysteries we can't possibly understand from our present perspective. It's similar to the fact that when we were children, you and I (and Robert) could not "make sense" of the thoughts, the wisdom, the decisions, the experience of adults. But that doesn't make them any less real. The next life (or, as Robert puts it, “if there is a next life”) must be, at the very least, very unlike this one. How unlike it, we can't know. The apostle Paul, quoting the prophet Isaiah, said “eye has not seen nor has ear heard nor has it entered into the minds of men what God has in store for those who love Him.” The likelihood that we can't presently imagine the experience of a next life makes abundant sense to me.
One question I'd like to hear discussed is How do you get from God as creator, to God as writer of holy books, to God who wrote this particular holy book---skipping over why he doesn't write more than just one.
Theologically, God created, His creation figured out how to write books, so He inspired one of his creations to write one book in particular. Historically, it was a collection of anecdotes, myths, legends, and parables that had been around for thousands of years, that somebody finally collected and wrote down once the ability to read started becoming more common.
You don't. Religion, naturally, has outdated descriptions of God/Creator. So the tendency among the religious (especially as science emerged & evolved) was to set camp in the general 'creator' space, i.e 'intelligent designer' (something that's easier to defend) and THEN draw parallels back to their respective, very specific Gods.
@@itneeds2bsaid528 Read 2 Timothy 3:16
God did not inspire the bible writers to construct 'myths' or 'legends' - what would be the point? The Bible is instructive, guiding humans on the path to life - it reveals God's standards (laws) that define the difference between right and wrong. The requirements for everlasting life are clearly stated in John 17:3
I think it's all because people love thinking they have access to the OneTruth™. They rejoice in the wrongness of others at least as much as the rightness of what they believe. It's road rage in scripture.
@@bobbabai .. the simple fact is that truth is truth - it stands alone and does not need consensus of opinions that may all be wrong. Not everyone has access to truth because some are wilfully blind to it and others seek to distort and misrepresent it. Without supernatural intervention humankind left to its own devices will steadily sink to the lowest common denominator, hence, the wars, greed and corruption and lack of political agreement and compromise. An historical document accurately foretold the attitude prevalent among people of the 'last days' - 2 Timothy 3:1-4
This same document consisting of 66 books has been used in courts of law as a guarantee by means of conscience and oath for a witness to testify truthfully, yet this same collection of books has been the target for ridicule and criticism by a self-appointed collective ascribing to 'higher' learning and 'critical' thinking preferring their own glory rather than acknowledging the One who created all things and gives truth in abundance to those who sincerely seek it.
It’s a fantasy. Nothing more. A hopeful dream where everyone lives happily ever after.
Lawrence Kuhn has the world's best "job". ❤
Original name of this series was Questions We Can't Answer....
Open the mind you may find that you have an intelligence that these people have that they would even ask such questions. Unless you feel you have no soul. Need to work on that. For if you find that you believe in a religion then there's a gigantic problem of afterlife called judgement. But we are all human and our little bitty brains might not be able to comprehend what is asked or have an Imagination that truly intelligent people have that makes them extremely smart. But of course I never hear a truly smart person say out loud that they are really, really, really smart. Those people aren't smart if they have to say it. Thus is where a question, basically the same question asked of educated intelligent people that have studied and read about the subject in question. Personally I think He'll is for people that need to be scared into being a good person. When I think of those that wrote our Bibles that humans explained to others in a simple way for humankind to understand. Pleasure is life eternal. No self gratification as we are in the self first existence. If you don't understand then why listen to the questions. It's a feeling as intuition that derp inside we are knowing yet content that understanding completely will come when we have passed this physical existence. I seem to understand so much more such as quantum physics as an example. I am not expert not educated but all my life I've had a Knowing. Yet listening to others answers gives me more proof every day that earthly religions are very simple and teach as though we are all I. Preschool. I enjoy the questions. As these questions are and have been using n the back of my mind my whole life.
I was pretty shocked when I watched the TV show The Good Place, and found that it ended with the afterlife being almost exactly what I've always hoped it would be. It's perfect. It's also very, very funny. And no particular religion is required.
Is there actually an afterlife? Is The Good Place version you imagine true just because it's what you want?
St. Paul said: "eye has not seen, ear has not heard"...
Eternal life would be great for the first 900 quadrillion millennia. But that does not even scratch the surface of how long you’re going to be around. It’s probably going to get a bit old after a while
I dont think most people can truly grasp the concept of eternity. Its just a word to them.
Robert Lawrence, you are an eternal seeker, but I don't think anyone really knows the truth of all creation. We are all only human beings. Scientists have just theories, ideas, thoughts, nothing else, just like the rest of us in this planet. Philosophy is beautiful and enchanting, but that is all. Like life, there's a secret hidden. I believe in a Creator Force, mysterious and magnificent. I belive that this universal Force is the Giver of the breath of life. We will encounter Him after we leave our bodies, I believe. Why don't you just accept It? Live your life, practice kindness and compassion for you are a gift of that compassionate One in the universe. Your videos are nice to watch, but I ask you, what else do you want from HIM?
Proof is what we want
Summary: We have no clue, but that does not stop some of us from making wild guesses. However, If believing leads to a more satisfying life, then maybe that is enough.
Same for disbelieving.
No, there are lots of clues, but understanding is very fuzzy from this side.
Trouble is that this way of thinking has caused much wretchedness in the world
@@bogtrotter5110 no it hasn't.
i am still looking for a god that will not threaten me with death if i do not worship him or believe in him and that will accept me for who i am, It looks like that god does not exist :)
Glad you interviewed Huston Smith. I wanted a Christian take that sounded more plausible. “The dew drop that allows the ocean into it” (or something close to that).
Other considerations - why is there something rather than nothing now? And from a different angle, is the time space continuum itself eternal?
Of course I hope (and most of the time believe) that there is something rather than nothing beyond this life, but the best you can do is give a metaphor with plausible hints. Anything too descriptive just sounds hokey. Our minds simply can’t conceive it.
We cannot imagine what the other side looks like. It will be a completely different realm. But we can prepare for it while we are on earth. Maybe that is the most important thing to do here.
If you cannot even imagine it, how do you prepare for it?
@@cloudoftime By studying scriptures and following the spiritual intuition.
The only way life after death could be scientifically explained is for this universe (U1) to have a twin universe (U2) such that each particle in U1 universe is Quantum Entangled with its corresponding particle in U2 universe. Through this entanglement, all the events and information from U1 universe are passed to U2 universe in real time and when a person dies in U1 universe, his/her twin in U2 universe is unentangled from U1 universe and can start phase 2 of his/her life. This process shall continue till the person reaches the absolute universe.
Oh super. I'm relieved. A near seamless transition..
The overall trouble with old speakers here is that they all appear to be scientifically prove something on the basis of belief rather than tangible evidence. And regarding afterlife the representatives here simply carry the basic tenets and rhetoric of their respective religions to afterlife which renders these interpretations merely political statements because these are the very claims used to control masses by the major religions and obviously not just abrahamic ones. Christianity simply transfers the sense of guilt to afterlife by simply suggesting that will have physical bodies and all sorts of biological functions but not sexuality. This is very much along the lines of the Catholic tradition that we only have sex to reproduce. On the other hand the conventional rhetoric of Islam contradicts this by saying that we will have quite a promiscuous lifestyle in the afterlife where the maths doesn't seem to make sense given the 1/72 ratio and this essentially reflects the semi-concealed materialistic nature of mainstream Islam. The very last comments make whole lot more sense by referring to afterlife as a mysterious mode of existence which we can only feel but cannot prove to exist
From what you just said impliedly religion is just a crazy idea. Religion was created to decieve people for their own benefit.
No one in their right mind would want to live forever.
i shall worship cthulu forever
When you die, it's the transfer of energy such as minerals for other life, such as food for plants ect. Everything in our universe works this way, the transfer of energy, birth and rebirth.
When he says "I do know ____".... I'm thinking.... how do you know that sir. How can you possibly know that?
He doesn’t. He’s just too full of himself.
Actually nobody knows really.
loooool. faith isnt about knowing
The Lord Jesus appeared to his disciples after His resurrection and retained His personality. That's all the answer I need on your continued preoccupation with this subject, Mr. Kuhn.
You think an hour long church service is tough, try an eternity
I really don’t think i want to spend eternity like a monastic monk, to be honest.
This description of heaven can only come the religious hood with total lack of creativity.
The body dies, and logically with it all the needs and thirsts of having flesh. There's no sex, pizza, and beer in heaven. It's probably gonna look a lot like work. You just need to decide if you can be satisfied with that, or you want to stay haunting this dying wet rock reminiscing forever.
Based on the only empirical evidence we have, NDEs, eternal life sounds great.
On May 9, 1996 Jesus appeared to me and asked me to work with him to give the world updates on things he learned after the crucifixion. My problem is few Christian's and others refused to accept this is truth. I have learned there is a soul records in heaven referred to as the book of life. It is a long playing technicolor film of the high quality of a Hollywood film and on that film is a record of every thing we do in this lifetime. He can review that record and channel information to Humans here on earth that can enable them to solve crimes and all sort of events. He can look into the past and future of everyone on earth and use it for good and solve crimes and map peoples destiny. I have a problem with some people refusing to believe this. Jesus wants to make some updates and share new truths he has experienced since the Crucifxion.
You seem to have more than one problem. Stating the obvious about Christianity and pretending that no one else thinks this or that it's true. Every Christian thinks what you think by the sounds of it. Jesus hasn't taught you anything by what you've written here. Updates, you're such a tease like all religious people. Teasing yourself mainly.
start breaking the pills in half
first understand that you were not born into eternal life but that you are eternal life. Your eternal life doesn't have a beginning. When you remember your true home, you enter that place where you are and always have been.
I was hoping to here more about.
1st Corinthians 2:9
About Paradise. For those who are favored by God. The bible says In my father's house there are many rooms. These are things that make me wonder. We will be in Spirit form. I believe heaven is like a constant felling of excitement and joy. I believe we would be able to teleport our bodies from one place to another with a thought. Maybe all the beast and birds of this world will be there. And we would communicate with them. I ones had a dream that I was flying and I was above all the building. I was sad when I woke up. Heaven.
We know that in the afterlife there are no problems to solve, so we won't need to do anything.
There are no TVs or computers or musical instruments, only one book and no girls.
But I'm sure I'll be very happy in the bosom of Abraham (Luke 16:22)
Hi Mr Robert, in my opinion Mr Richard Swinburne is the rightest one. Congratulations for the great work you are doing, thanks for another great chapter, stunning. 👏👏👏
Eternal life is to live , and die if needed, with God , the wonderful being. It is not a matter of days or years , but is a precious character that arose from a passion for God.
You have to REMEMBER having HAD all those lives to have eternity.......
It's going to be great!
What is important is what is happening now while I am alive not after death.
why so?
so why even be on youtube? you're message disallows anything past tense or forward
That is like saying that the future is not important.
@@jamese9283 the future is now.
@@hamzaaitbourhim Since I am a creationalist I would say I am the function of I am the current expression of the energy release 15 billion year ago that is coming to flower in me now yeah that it would come to flower in my childrens in the next generation etc absolutely, quantitevly we are 15 billion year old or eternal if you actually count from something, nothing, I don't know., an explosion. You have absolute value. You have eternal being. And you could even say it took 15 billion year it took eternity to make me that I the stuff of I have always been. It just coalescing in me any given year however it has always been. You follow. One of the things Jesus realized in the last supper is that this person he used to think was born in 3 bc or c depending of how you are counting was really an expression of eternal being of God. You can come to that understanding if you look at the starts tonight and say how does all this fit together? What am I looking at? What does this say about me? You could say it took 15 billion year it took eternity to make me WOW! Your body is a physical expression of divine and absolute being. However we tent no to make that statement. We tent to go the other way of who one is in term of God.
Fear of death is root cause of all religions & philosophies.
Waving our arms in appreciation thanking our provider for giving us brains
I was dead before I was born I'm pretty sure it will be like that.
And The limited evidence we have agrees with me.
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What’s more being dead didn’t bother you one little bit.
Evidence that you can't find where the Conscious is located for decades and quantum mechanics pointing out that the brain is just a transmitter and conscious is not materialistic thing, which explains why people in comas can hear people, or people under anesthesia can see doctors operate on them, if the brain is a transmitter then ofc if you damage ur radio then the radio won't be able to transmit as well as it did, very easy to understand really but need more reading.
@@poorboi8093 All evidence points to consciousness being a byproduct of the brain. Quantum mechanics says nothing about consciousness or that the brain is a transmitter someones been bullshitting you.
I was under anesthetic not long ago, I heard nothing seen nothing. If people in comas hear someone they hear with their ears.
if the brain is a transmitter?? if the brain has wheels it must be a car.
It's not easy at all which is why it has been discussed for hundreds of years.
@@Bandit19990 people are conscious with half a brain meaning that half of their brain was ripped out, yet they still were they, if it was a product of the brain then that would make no sense, it’s simply not a material thing, I gave you perfect analogy, if u wreck the radio or it gets old it won’t transmit as it used too or not transmit at all, I mean if you have well regarded scientists who are atheists and even they can’t figure it out u expect some children to state that it’s the product of the brain lmao
People who have had near death experiences say there is no such thing as time in the other reality (if it exists). So if there is no such thing as time in the other reality then boredom shouldn't become a problem. A billion years will just be like one second and one second will be like a billion years. Time will have no meaning.
People who have had NDE’s are not an authority on anything in particular.
@@moonshoes11
Even if people who have had NDEs were an “authority” on a particular subject this an appeal to authority fallacy lol!! Equally, what if a doctor had NDEs he’s clearly an authority on something isn’t he? medicine perhaps lol!! Sorry but your triggered comment does not even make sense!!
@@georgedoyle2487
First, my comment wasn’t based on being triggered. So, it is obvious you’re projecting.
The point you missed is that just because someone has an NDE experience, doesn’t mean they’re qualified to make informed or correct conclusions about their experience. It seems to me, you want to accept a brain which is experiencing trauma and lacking oxygen somehow becomes magic.
Sorry if you can’t understand. I can type more slowly if it helps.
@@georgedoyle2487
It isn’t an appeal to authority fallacy if they were an authority on the subject of NDE’s.
The pot you’re so gleefully willing to ignore is that even if someone who experiences an NDE isn’t an authority on the subject.
@@moonshoes11
“Magic”
“I can type more slowly”
Ho the irony!! Talk about triggered lol. I definitely easily rattled your cage.
(Relativism, strictly reductive materialism, militant atheism or philosophical naturalism):
“The belief that there was “nothing”, and nothing didn’t really mean nothing as there was no such thing as meaning, and then nothing much happened to nothing except nothing and then nothing suddenly magically exploded for no reason whatsoever, creating everything, and then a bunch of everything suddenly magically rearranged itself -- for no reason whatsoever -- into self replicating bits which then turned into something that meant everything. But ultimately it didn’t really mean everything or anything as everything is ultimately meaningless.” (Atheism)
And they mock other peoples beliefs!!
Yeah perfectly “sane” and makes perfect sense lol. About as much sense as your “triggered” “magic” argument!! Not to mention your appeal to “authority” fallacy!!
I think we all just simply die and stop existing :(
@Jeremiah I hope I do, but you dont know either so dont act as if you know. Im tired of people thinking something is true just because they believe in it and have it in a book. Stop it.
@@Gabriel-iu5je we believe in it because there are tons of scientific evidence. Not just the church said so.
@@fritzcervz6945 Noup there is not, dont lie to yourself
@@Gabriel-iu5je it's not a lie. Its just you that is so closed minded and too materialistic.
@@fritzcervz6945 yeah it is my fault God doesnr show himself obviously its my fault im so blind and you are so open minded to it, jokes on you.
*If you think about it Heaven and Hell are already here in this existence, some people are conscious of it and they're trying to make their lives a Paradise before they go to the real one, but for others things will be clear to them only after death and they have to go through Hell to reach Paradise*
I feel it's terrible to be slave of god .our soul should be allowed to do what it makes it happy .iam Mir from Tehran .Iran I love all your program on you tube
I can’t fathom how the the Christian philosopher, JP, can turn people’s heads and convince them he is right with the amount of times he said “I don’t know/I’m not sure/we don’t know/I’d have to think/I don’t think that would be necessary”.
Aka the same baseless arguments of most theologians… “I believe in God and so should you.. but I just can’t give any tangible proof to it, ya just gotta believe!”
Yes… and I can also believe that down is up and up is down, but according to physics we know that’s false.
Don't be afraid of what you don't understand. Eternal life is far beyond logic and reason, well, for humans that is.. We can't go beyond what it means to be human, but we can find meaning and value to "moving mountains with a just a little faith."
As for death, when it comes, would it not feel like the right time to want to survive? Dropping the body will be nothing short of this intense craving.. survival. Personality coupled with Identity constitutes a Life Vehicle is what we all pray for. In the last analysis.
There's always a woo-woo word salad guy that says nothing lol.
Thank you eon time! 👩🏽🚀🙈🙉❤️
إِنَّ الْمُتَّقِينَ فِي مَقَامٍ أَمِينٍ
Verily! The Muttaqun (pious - see V. 2:2), will be in place of Security (Paradise).
فِي جَنَّاتٍ وَعُيُونٍ
Among Gardens and Springs;
يَلْبَسُونَ مِن سُندُسٍ وَإِسْتَبْرَقٍ مُّتَقَابِلِينَ
Dressed in fine silk and (also) in thick silk, facing each other,
كَذَٰلِكَ وَزَوَّجْنَاهُم بِحُورٍ عِينٍ
So (it will be), and We shall marry them to Houris (female fair ones) with wide, lovely eyes.
يَدْعُونَ فِيهَا بِكُلِّ فَاكِهَةٍ آمِنِينَ
They will call therein for every kind of fruit in peace and security;
لَا يَذُوقُونَ فِيهَا الْمَوْتَ إِلَّا الْمَوْتَةَ الْأُولَىٰ وَوَقَاهُمْ عَذَابَ الْجَحِيمِ
They will never taste death therein except the first death (of this world), and He will save them from the torment of the blazing Fire,
فَضْلًا مِّن رَّبِّكَ ذَٰلِكَ هُوَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ
As a Bounty from your Lord! That will be the supreme success!
Al-Qur’an 44:51-56
I'm still learning about death that one day I be dead and gone but as long I have God but keep him in his word that when I do die God won't leave me even if I'm not alive God is there with you when your gone to the next life I called that spiritual sleep be the present with God when you live right with God's word what I believe as long Jesus give me the wisdom to speak the true when comes to death
it never ceases to amaze me how secure believers speak about heaven and resurrected bodies, is there any of them who admits that their whole belief system is based on mere speculations?
Of course speculation is the only way we can think of it at all. If there is nothing at all then there is nothing and we cease to exist period even in Spirit. But I do not believe the afterlife or say after death of the physical life that we become ceaseless. We are not past being a human. The difference we have from animals is the ability to think and ask such questions. Easy to look at eternity as an existence that is just like what we have right now. We have a lot you. Learn yet. As I've said previously we are still in preschool. It's those that waste our time talking about things they may never get at all, and more than likely if religious you hold your beliefs as a right to judge all others. Which is self-righteous. I don't want to be like that I want to. Learn. Why ammo reading the comments? Curiosity of Psychology and why humans are acting the way they are considering it's the 21st Century. Seems easier to regress back 50 years and act like the Beaver asking his older brother a question. That is what I feel people have decided to to act like these days. Easy to listen and believe even when what you makes no sense. I always question. Everyone dislikes the way I think for myself. But if I didn't I wouldn't have the happiness I have had because I would be convinced that hell would be my eternity.
One unnerving aspect of this video is that even though no one whose body was in fact dead and decaying has ever seen a cohort of zombies crawl out if their graves. And yet the subjects of body and spirit are discussed as if there actually were souls or spirits. Everyone advocating soul or spirit are offering nothing that anyone could be confident of. Such discussions are a waste of time if one is really seeking truth(s). Also, there's a big difference between believing and knowing unless one is sufficiently confused to think knowledge (I.e. 'knowing) and belief are the same when they are not. Next, it is far more unlikely having a physical body that survives all time than even the idea if there being a supernatural creator. Reason, (and they know it) Matter is and always will be an imperfect thing. Matter changes all the time, it mutates into other forms, it's subject to the physical laws of nature, material things 'age', they break down, even combine to make a thing new, etc. But in every case they are all temporary. So claiming physical bodies will live forever completely ignores the nature of physicality.
The Islamic scholar made the most sense to me and was the most inspiring. His his philosophy is very close to all Eastern philosophies. The first guy was completely and utterly depressing. The second guy was a little crazy but still I think it's likely according to what people have experienced in near death experiences.
Have a look at Sufism, fascinating.
After listening to the first bible humper I had to take a nap, when I started watchng the 2nd biblical baffoon he sounded so crazy I went on to another of the series videos.
I cannot believe JP Moreland.... There are a number of distinguished thinkers/philosophers in this video. How in the world did JP Moreland make it into the video? Appalling.... Good comic relief, though. There were points in there where I almost fell over laughing! 😆
Another interesting episode, Mr. Kuhn. I try to give very little thought to whatever eternity means, or how it will manifest itself-if in fact it exists. I doubt I will be given a choice. Hopefully it will be a place that is perfectly suited for me (no harp playing).
When somebody goes to the Bible to explain something I am immediately put off. If my body in heaven is what others can get a hold of and see, could I choose to be my 24 her old body?
The fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is Islam believe that all kind of worships is no longer exist in paradise, except praising to God because of all pleasures they get.
Well the Hindi guy stole my thunder . But put in another way, eternal life is right now, the universe we experience is eternal so therefore our connection with it is eternal. We will always be aware that we are aware Which supersedes the limits of the flesh and ends up in an eternal regression and eternal progression. And so after the flesh is gone the universe will look the same but just from the perspective of hyper awareness, hyper expansion
In other words, an higher or cosmic form of consciousness
@@Number9_Media1 I think depending on the scale, the smallest part of the universe could have an infinite number of experiences depending on the scale of who we are postmortem , and any different configuration of the senses . Our senses inhibit our awareness, not enhance it . In the end though , I think the universe has to be all in our heads anyway because if it were external to us , it would be so eternally vast, we would be unable to be familiar with anything.
@@MrSanford65 So in essence, the all of awareness is our minds. Consciousness creates the universe, and so on and so forth
@@Number9_Media1 Yeah it’s all about the illumination of our own meaning. Basically without being too long winded the mind can only be familiar with the extension of his own concepts. Whatever we know of the universe has already been known to us already because how could a mind supersede its own capacity of what it can know ? We should not be able to learn not one single thing more about the universe because it is quite impossible for the mind to extend itself beyond itself . Space and time are simply measures of a distances between arm meaning and our purposes
There was something written in the Phenomenology of Perception by Merleau Ponty, if I am not calling it wrong, like: "there is no internal man, the man in the world" so everything related with the visible world, nothing else but the imagination maybe but its correlated, seems.
The christian view makes absolutely no sense to me... either
1) we live forever with our bodies, staying the same people, fighting with our limitations as human beings (even if given superpowers), for an eternity of boredom and meaninglessness
or 2) we become something totally different, thus not being ourselves, so we can't possibly look forward to it.
Eternal life is knowing God. It is a quality of life that comes by way of sharing in God's rich and abundant life.
Death of may body, is not the end of my life, life is not matter is energy (spirit) in this life and the next one stay in the light.
I feel like I've always been here,so therefore I have.
Eternal life is about infinite hapiness. Infinite pleasure. Of course humans do not know what that means.
The difficulty in conceiving eternity is linked to the difficulty in conceiving the “glorious body” and its strange properties.
For example: the idea that having all the time involves the risk of boredom. But this presumes limitations that are human characteristics but not properties of the “glorious body”.
Let's look at an experience that leads us to annoyance:
If we hear a song we like and listen to it again, what happens? The first auditions involve pleasure. But, as we continue the repetition, the pleasure begins to diminish and after a certain point, we begin to feel bored and want to turn off the device.
Now the “glorious body” doesn't know what boredom is and listening to a song that you like always gives you the same pleasure, regardless of the possibly astronomical number of times you repeat that listening.
This is so because the “glorious body” was designed for eternity unlike the human body.
Of course there are many other differences, but that would make the comment too long.
We continue on beyond the physical. Regardless of what we agree on. The commentary on this particular piece, is very thought provoking. It causes you to use your ability of advanced or higher consciousness to truly understand the continumum of life
How do you know this?
@@oskarngo9138 These concepts have been documented and illustrated throughout time. From the greatest philosophers, scientists, and theologians
@@Number9_Media1 That doesn't make those concepts accurate.
@@golden-63 Accuracy, is based in the understanding of proof. These concepts have been presented time and time again
So far i do not know anybody who lives forever, but i like your theory
I believe this episode actually got farther from truth.
Great point. Death is symbolic of moving away from truth: or not having enough truth from the friggin ancestors 🤔 Little fossilized f*ckers! Super pissed they didn’t figure that out yet. 🤬
I came back, edited… because I love the ancestors. No matter how messed up and ignorant hitting each other with clubs and the like, I love them. Our earlier ancestors were tiny fuzzy little guys. Like kittens. 🥰💕
Blaise Pascal says that "Nature has some perfections to show that she is the image of God, and some defects to show that she is only His image. " In other words, this world is a defective reflection of the spiritual world, therefore here love turns into lust, life turns into survival, relationships turn into mutual exploitation and any kind of fickle bliss turns into grief.
While lm a believer, Swine burns rants would not convince me if I was an unbeliever. He talks a lot but says nothing.
Death is nothing like sleep.Not at all.prior to sleep there seem to be a feeling of repose. Whereas before actual death one must feel restless n
Pain even if apparently one may be dying peacefully
So people live a life here while ignoring the poor sick and hungry and look forward to an eternal life of hymns and worship?
Having an unending material life experience out of your single conscious mind. BTW, we have a very ancient conscious mind that keeps coming back into the material world.
Makes no sense to be created by God in which belief or disbelief in God impacts our eternal life - yet we were designed with no ability to discern there is a God. We were born with physical senses, but use of those senses has nothing to do with our personnel eternity. Like having a math class and then the test is on science.
Richard Swinburn heaven sounds like the way Harry krishna's followers live their lives, worship, song and dance
New body, spiritual body, superior body... How these guys can say all of this with a straight face?
Hi, if you die at 93 years old, would you be 93 years old the entire afterlife , or die 8 months old, so you are 8 months old in the afterlife and happy, or disable ? E.P.
The Houston person is basically closer to what's going on my mind. Great question and answers. B
The wish is father to the thought.
Why give a platform to JP moreland? He's a hack.
It’s really fascinating to explore the ideas of immortality presented by world religions. In the judo-Islamic tradition, I believe as mentioned in Torah and Quran the resurrection is like an exhaustive reconstruction of each of our individual physical body.
It has something to do with present day cosmology.A physical body can be exhaustively defined by inverse of it’s entropy ie the more our body particles diffuse,the more we contribute to the increase of entropy of the the universe.As the thermodynamic aero of time reverses the entropy of any sub system will retrace its individual entropy throughout the whole evolution of it’s cosmic journey.Thereby attaining it’s physical resurrection of individual body to assume the same entropy as at the time of internment or before.
It will continue it’s cosmic journey until it reunites with its origin to be able to enter the newly evolving universe where the entropy would be constant ( ie eternal)
In Islam the resurrection is not with the physical body.
In Islam, the idea of spirit differs from all other contemporary religions.The Islamic equivalent of spirit do not mean any immaterial entity.The most obvious verse in Quran about the spirit (ruh in Arabic) claims it to be a set or array of God’s command. If we recall the biological phenomena of our birth it becomes apparent that as soon as our parent’s chromosomes cross over ,a very large number of chemically coded commands start coming from our parent’s genes to construct the foetus.This set or array of commands may have been referred in Quran as ruh or spirit.It’s like a mathematical operator a matrix with billions of elements,when enacts on proportioned building materials,produces living beings.There is nothing abstract or immaterial in Islamic faith.Quran in essence describes the physics of everything,not unreal metaphysics.
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According to your interpretation , when Humans die the spirit vanishes since everything is material ,this is against the Quran
please refer verse 17:84 of Quran.This is perhaps the most unambiguous verse about the “spirit”(ruh in Arabic) in the Quran.It is said to be all about God’s commands related to our creation.There is no other verse in Quran suggesting that it is not.So the idea that human posses a ghost like immortal substance is not found or implied any where in Quran.It’s a set set of God’s
command.And that’s preserved in the cosmos and conserved as any other set of information. It will ominously and surely be used by the evolving universe at a certain point in it’s journey towards the end.This mechanics of universal physical resurrection is already been there as set fourth by God.So where is the relevance of a ghost like immaterial substance called spirit?
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Our disagreement is about whether the resurrection is physical or not?
You've said that Humans don't possess an immortal self but in the same time you're saying the Spirit is a set of command that will be preserved!!
Do you believe that the resurrection will be with the bodies we're having now on this earth?
Can you explain what will happen to us after death,of course using your understanding of Quranic verses.
Eternal or everlasting life is life perfectly and endlessly renewing the person that possesses it. It is a never ending recycling of the person as he or she maintains the optimal human physical age and maturity, which is about 30 years for men and 25 for women.
Eternal life is like this. It never ends and there's nothing in between.
i do not know anybody who lives forever, i know a lot who want to
I think logically, if we die then we experience emptiness / unconsciousness, when a random infinite universe accidentally creates us physical body form that coincides with our current state now, then we will rise again and regain consciousness, and we unconsciousness will feel consciousness again in an instant moment, because the unconsciousness never knows or never realizes how much time has passed, even though our unconsciousness lasts for a very long time, for example millions of years or billions of years, maybe even trillions ... years of unconsciousness will only be felt as an instant moment by conciousness again.
Please do a talk with Indian scientist Dr Ashoke sen
“First of all we’d be happy...” how does he know this? Absurd. He’s assuming the existence of god which no one has demonstrated or proved.
Obviously he’s assuming, he believes in God. Its an interview of different positions not a debate or a proof
You might be interested in the literature about Near Death Experiences. Perhaps start with looking up Dr. Bruce Greyson.
@@lindal.7242 NDE have lots of current psychological research to explain the hypoxic and chemical changes in the brain and how they manifest. Completely explainable as illusions of a physical process and Occam's Razor discounts an actual supernatural or 'spiritual' realm.
@@connordurham4289 it's just classic that theists start with that default position as assumed true, whereas virtually all atheists always couch their position with acknowledhing more than one possible views
@@billkeon880 ok but that does absolutely nothing to explain the countless documented veridical NDE cases.
I haver a very very sad life, but I still LOVE to be alive. I want to live forever somehow. …The sad fact is that after we die there will be nothing, Life is most likely an accident.
it’s not sad. look at it like before you were born
It's so funny to hear someone who has based their worldview literally around an ancient storybook speaking matter of fact around that and finding reasoning with no self-awareness about how fast that falls apart and lacks any support "Jesus made wine out of water(heresay written long after his death with no evidence) therefore we will be able to turn mountains purple". Such a juxtaposition with a series that is normally having deep philosophical debate about huge questions.
It must be nice to be a dreamer, alas I am a realist. Nothingness until birth gives us consciousness. And just as everything in the universe death will end consciousness.
I can sum up my feelings about Heaven using a quote from the Matrix.. "the paradise matrix was rejected by the minds connected to it" Eternal life in paradise sounds like torture to me.
to everybody, but maybe on the other side thinking doesn't happen in the same way we do it here, so if it´s bliss then there´s no unpleasant feelings. Crazy, isn´t it?
@@ilianamarisolromero7816 If my son commits murder and sent to eternal damnation how can I feel perpetual bliss and remain myself and not mourn my son? It doesn't make sense to me.
@@fparent very good question; I’ll tell you from theory, from the absolute truth which is love… if one loves their son profoundly, from that spot, that center, you could feel the pain that comes from that source of love and make it mean something, meaning, you could forgive your son and yourself, feel deep empathy for the victims your son would leave, and I’m sure that you could live a full life with a better understanding of how the most important things in life are founded on creating (family, society) understanding and forgiveness (the closest to absolute love). I don’t think anything comes close to when we’re moved by emotions, so there lays our bliss, when we overcome loss and suffering
@@fparent I also wanted to add something else: whether you believe in God or not, there’s no eternal damnation, how can there be, Either God forgives us or we cease to exist, either way we only have this moment, we can do with it that which gives the meaning we want, and what we want reveals who we are. Again, either way we win, and what do we win? Again, whatever you want to signify it with. But both you and me and the rest of the world know… we want peace (the closest we get to absolute love)
I was created designed and built to unlock purgatory. I played right and wrong
Almost all religion has its own perception of how is eternal life is going to be ,the question is who got the right perception?
This is the true perception
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Islam, ,, "and whoever seek other than ilam as religion will not be accepted from him and in the hereafter will be one of the losers" ,, this a vers from the holy quran
This program should be called the "Wonders of Speculation" and not what it is. Or even "Jumping the Shark".
Starting off with, as a first question to a philosopher of religion "what is eternity like?" rather than how does one justify eternal existence of anything at all, much less something as fragile and obviously ephemeral as human consciousness.
Consciousness may not survive for some, even through their whole life, much less after its end.
And before the bible was written....???
Looking foreword to seeing Jimi Hendrix play cosmic guitar!