X Series might be "Ex" Series 🫣
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2023
- So we are back to the lentils again and having lots issues getting the material out the back of the combine, but yet the S series has no problems with it.
You see, it's not a matter of conditions, it's a matter of why will the S series push it through all day long but the X will not?.. It's because the X actually has a problem that Deere knows about but doesn't have the answer to yet.
Unfortunately though the S series will push through the plant material, the header is not capable of cutting and contouring to the rolly ground. So as much as I want to use the S series and get done the lentils, I ll have to wait until the X can manage it.
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I would definitely be on the phone with John Deere to get the X9 to work or buy it back. I have to admit that having the engine running while being inside the machine made me very nervous and I would recommend shutting it off to clear the plug. I have heard of too many accidents that people don’t survive. Thanks for the Videos, Mike. You guys have a safe harvest season.
It‘s only been like two weeks or so, that a young man was severely hurt that way around here. He lost both his legs. You’re totally right! Stay safe! Nobody can bring that back.
Mike has never cared about safety his insurance definitely hasn't seen his videos
@@Blackwolf1606 Sorry to hear about accident in your area. His life is changed because of a simple mistake, we all get in a hurry and take safety in our own hands. I hope people learn from close calls and accidents and work safely.
Turn that engine off
First thing I thought of when I saw stuff being thrown out the back and I could hear the engine still running. Rolling a dice that doesn't need to be rolled.
DONT CLIMB IN THE HOPPER LIKE THIS. This way a young Farmer in germany lost both his legs up to the hips this summer. The emergency amputation took 3 hrs and was performed in the hopper!
Did someone turn the cross augers on while he was in it?
@@darknorth239 Yes, his girlfriend. So always shut off hydraulic main switch. Or at best even the engine.
@@RandomGuy-oy5hf Hydraulic main switch?
Oh. Just wrote the almost same thing. Except that the accident here happened last year, but it was something similar. Apparently other guy thought he was finished and restarted the machine. But he was still inside...
All the green guys stopped commenting lol, your awesome Mike. Most guys who spent a million bucks on a combine would never show this.
weird eh? good thing he got rid of the Ideal combines...
@@HeWhoRoamsAimlessly The old rule stays true, never buy the 1st model yr on a new machine. There's always issues that will show up, the company's use the buyer as a tester.
@shoresharp8349 yep thats what killed Gleaner back in the day...they launched the N series too soon...too many problems. I dont think they ever recovered from that..even though they build great machines today the past left a bad taste in alot of people's mouths.
@dirtdevil70 Gleaners are just too wonky to me. And there's no financial incentive to run one over a "brand name" machine. And the dealer network isn't there in my area.
@ned8936 Gleaner isnt a nrand name machine??? Seriously lol....and whats wonky about them? LoL
Imagine this: Board meeting at John Deere. The CEO yelling, "Did you see the Mike Mitchell Vid?! How the H*ck can it be that our show horse the X9, can't do what that old S7 can? HOW?? Explain that to me!" 🤣😂 I would love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.🤣
Mike. We appreciate the lengths you go to to get us the best farming content possible. Stay safe.
Crapo family farms about 50,000 acres here in east Idaho. Every year they get 10 new green combines. This year they ordered 4 X9's and then 6 S780's.
NONE of the X9's made it through harvest this year without breaking down. In fact - they were so behind with harvest this year that they rented 3 7250's to get them through...and they bleed green. Pissed them off so bad that they canceled next year's order of X9's and are seriously considering going with red machines. Gonna be reeeeally interesting.
I would love to see how a Lexion would compare / hold up in those conditions.
he'd be done if he had some lexion is 2 combines in one and designed to thrash wet crop especially if you got the rice package with the spike tooth
Lexions have long had problems with chopper backing up, so much so that the 8000s have a sensor for it
Deere salesman couldn’t get me an X9 prior to July harvest season so I picked up a Claas 8700 with the 1230 head for south Louisiana rice harvest. Deere salesman was pissed that I didn’t buy a machine that wasn’t available til November, missing the whole harvest season. I told him I’d buy it if he demos it against the Claas first. He exact words were “John Deere corporate was against the idea”. Lol
@@LandManagementSolutions I think you just have a lazy dealer, my local one demos against Claas all the time, doesn't always get the deal but they do have two one year Claas sitting on the lot now.
@@jasonhildoI’m sure my local dealer is not the best out there, but for the price I’d expect they’d want to demo it. I’m a “Red” guy through and through but the 9250 didn’t blow me away so trying different markets.
I do have a friend running two X9 1000 with 45’ drapers in hybrid rice and I wasn’t impressed. Not the efficiency you’d expect from a $1m plus machine. Not knocking any make or model though, I just wish we’d get what we deserve for the retail prices they are these days. Everything just skyrocketed so much in so little time..
Still waiting to see a Lexion on the channel😀
3rd times the charm go CLAAS !!! Never look back you see it in the comments none stop there is a reason the world is telling you.
I'd love to see you try a Class they actually care about the customer unlike Warren Buffet and Mother Deere. The owner of Class herself came to my little hometown and went out and talked with all of the local farmers running Class's and wanted to know ways they could make them better, you won't see Warren Buffet and the other Deere share holders doing that!!
Deere has brand recognition, why should they build quality products or care when people just keep giving them money and can't get their work done. Just the lack of parts itself is enough to deter a guy from even considering their stuff
@@winkletown8828 I agree 100% it's the fan boys keeping them afloat
One of our x9 has the same problem I found that putting it in windrow mode then turning it on it will self clean. The key is to catch it before it gets to the rotors.
It’d still be very annoying if you have to do that every few hundred feet tho
This year in Spain it rained a lot before harvesting and the land had a lot of weeds. The John Deere combine harvesters were mowing peas and vetches and the chain of the grain elevator broke and had to be opened to unbolt it.
Don't forget New Holland... Hunter Brothers....// If you go CaseIH, you can get parts off Ashtyn's dad's equipment!! It's about time tho that Chapell started to get acquainted with a decent line of equipment.
lol - I'm sure Ashtyn's dad would be fine with Mike cannibalizing his combines to keep Mike running (although that is common practice with Russian equipment)
Awesome sound effect of the combine plugging.....the more I thought about it while you were explaining the harder I laughed. So spot on 😂 I hope Deere finds a solution for you. Guessing DTAC has said.... Huh, never heard of that before. You are the only one having problems.
I’m running an 8700tt and I’ve put some crazy shit through it lol. The only time the chopper plugs is when the knives need flipped or replaced. Auto crop flow the safety feature stops you before you plug tight. Great machine for me. The way you are so detailed oriented you’d like it. Couple annoyances but good far out weighs any drawbacks.
Our straight cut canola took 3 plus weeks to die off this season.
Same with the wheat.
Weird year.
Any low spot in canola was green stalks.
I think we are going away from straight cut canola.
The cost of spraying, etc just doesn't pencil out.
And the swath goes thru so easy.
Having been a victim of the 'Let's try it one more time' club, I can relate to the "I'm done!". I would be too! One more time has caused alot of greif.
Saw a new Fendt ideal in Australia. New one replacing an old 9T. Sounds like they've sorted a whole lot since the last offering.
Lol. I have an 8820 and we had a lot of weeds in wheat this summer. I would plow through them and once in a while I would have to stop real quick because I could hear it pulling down. I would watch the mirror and see a wad of green go out the back. Was a bit unnerving but made it through without plugging.
Mike: Deere called. They are feeling bad. Said they found half a dozen brand new 9500s long forgotten in a storage shed out behind. They wonder if you would trade all six of the 9500s for your machine. They said they might even throw in a Gator for your north place.
To be fair and accurate the material goes through the accelerator, rotor and discharge beater very very well.
There is a transition between where the chopper drops on to the spinners where the product can sit, then it backs up from there...
Deere just needs to fix that 1 small detail otherwise our machines have been awesome and they have great flow through.
Our IH 8250 was horrible with blockage. My father switched over to Claas with a 7500 never going red again.
Great video as evidence why the farming sector is a profession with the highest fatality rate among all industries. Here is the blogger filming the guy who crawled into the combine, closest to the chopper, with the engine running. All these devices have electrical clutches that could close in a heart beat. Dudes, have some brain rather than a selfie stick!
Might have to try the New case ig AF11 or Af10 next fall. They will be floating around on demos. Can’t wait to see what they can do
Perfect sound example of plugged combine !
Pretty understandable that you would be frustrated, spending 1.3 mil and then have to spend multiple times digging out plugs.
We just finished combining 6,000 acres of green straw canola and none of our New Holland 9.90’s plugged the chopper once, which was surprising because our chopper blades were basically butter knives by the end
CNH products… am I right. 😂 Alway a step ahead of the competition.
Have you seen this video and how the plant of lentils are looking? It is green viney grass. Canola is much easier to harvest.
Not what John Deere freaks want to hear
I would really like to see Mike test a newholland cr combine sometime! Around where we farm everybody is using NH including us. We’ve never had any major problems and never plugged one. The CR combines are old and tested not like the X9 or Ideal AND they are super easy to work on unlike a Claas!
@@menzimac6813 new hollands don’t have deep enough cup holders!!
Sounds like to me it is the type of straw chopper that is the problem. The spinning type can not handle the straw where as the straight discharge just grabs the straw, chops it and spits it out the back. As you said it may not spread as well but at least it gets it out of the combine where you can harrow it to spread it.
Need a claas, very popular in UK. They combine in less than ideal conditions all the time
We run case a 8230 and a 8250 plugged a few times direct heading green stemmed canola. It was more of a front issue, not a machine problem.
That was in Australian conditions
In Midwest having issue plugging chopper outlet with green weeds in soybeans. Tried s series knifes still plugged. Ended up chopper in low stationary knifes in 80% with good success with not plugging . Issue was chopper in high was grinding up the weeds with lots of moisture and creating a wet pulp and was plugging. Chopper in low did not chop weeds as much and feed through. Still spread 50 feet no problems. Works in very weedy 70 bushel soybeans might work in other crops
Forage Harvester...
We used to combine spring Barley with Alfa Alfa underseeded with a old Claas Dominator 88..
I wonder why you don't stop the engine while cleaning out the combine? (Save fuel and security)
I tend to agree. I'm not a safety nazi but with so many people out there I would feel much better crawling inside a combine if it was off.
It is totally beyond me why any sane person would climb inside there with the engine running. One shorted wire and it all starts up, Donovan leaves the chat and Mike goes to jail. TOTAL STUPIDITY
@@johnwarwick4105 By that same logic, one shorted wire and it is running again.
@@J-1410wrong.
@@jacobstrutner8232 One wire for the start solenoid, no?
Been a while since we got the Kalahari Desert reference lol, never gets old!
Safety first,NEVER run a combine engine with someone inside unplugging, DANGEROUS
Hello from Australia.
We lift the choppers and install custom made panels which concentrate the straw into a narrow windrow which is then burnt. This augments the grass weed control enabled by the chemical rotation from the legume phase.
It's done with all legumes, which for us means field peas and lentils.
Unfortunately you may not get a dry down period in order to burn before the snow, I don't know.
And the wind you blokes get would be a problem for windrow integrity.
It is, however, a handy tool for stubble/weed management and no problems with plugging!
Those duck feet reel tines are a dead loss.
We threw ours in the dumpster as they were causing too much shatter loss knocking the grain out of the kernels before they reached the header table.
And the reel was running at the correct speed, not hammering the heads. Fore and aft position well set also.
Good luck combining at your north farm Mike
Thanks for the videos Mike. We're on the fence from going from our S series to the X9. Your unfiltered videos are really helpful. I'm under the opinion that the x9 is still too new and will take time to perfect. The S series is a proven machine
The x9 is an awesome machine already. The only real problem that I see with it is the transition from the chopper to the spinners that Mike is showing here.
We are on our 4th year of running them. We had hoped JD would have fixed that problem already.
We told them about it 2 years ago. Hopefully Mike's video will encourage Deere to work harder on that problem.
You have to remember Mike uses a lot of drama to increase views. Most farmers would overcome much bigger problems in a day without ever mentioning them.
X9's aren't all they're hyped up to be. Got a neighbor running one for the last two years now. For some reason it takes having two machines to keep one working. Dealers don't have a parts supply for them so they've been bringing another machine out to rob parts off of to keep one going. On top of not a whole lot of X9's sitting around. A buddy of mine down the road in another town is watching g his neighbors do the same this year on an X9. Broke down constantly.
@@johnsanders2798 This is the same logic you could apply to the Ideal. The difference is that Mike ran the first year of the Ideals and is running a 3rd year X9 machine. They should have this stuff figured out by now. Check out a current year Ideal and they're running with no problems.
@@jacobl1657 ask Mike how his x9 experience compared to his Ideal experience....
This chopper complaint is his only real complaint so far. Everything has been fixed. I wouldn't doubt that JD has a fix for this too
@@johnsanders2798that's not "using drama" , it's exposing the flaws that other people who nuthug a brand won't show or mention. Mike doesn't have the fragile ego that others have. Nobody likes to admit things these days, especially when it comes to their oh so beloved brands. Thank God for Mike and his honesty. Stay humble.
We've run john deere combines 20 years never plugged a combine once we run s780 4 off them awesome machine
I haven’t cut green lentils but I’ve put many a green patch of kochia through my conventional 9500 Deere without plugging it.
Get yourself a Claas Lexion 8000 series and be an happy combine driver!
Make sure you get Auto Crop Flow on it and a good driver course. Or the complete Cemos Automatic package, even better. These Hybrid machines are the most versatile combines ever, flexibility for the most conditions.
Enjoy driving, less seed losses, less fuel and great technic!
Haven't read the 698 other comments, but it was just asking for trouble by leaving the fixed blades down. They need to be up to chop fine enough for the spreader to clear it away easily. In fact, I'd have thought the fixed blades should only be dropped down for maintenance.
John Deere should supply you at no charge a commercial air compressor with Ron on the air hose so the JD Engineers may hopefully learn something from these VERY FRUSTRATING TIMES: I can see some demos of other brands in the future. No machine is ever perfect but for this kind of investment something needs to change
We had that problem too. This fall with our X9 we had to mess around with our chopper knives on the back.
Put the lentil straw out in rows and bale it. Lentil might make good mulch like the pea straw does here in NZ. Very popular with gardeners.
We had a lot a problem with our x9 this year because of green stuff. The rotor would plug up and I think we should go back to case combine the red ones are good in green stuff
I think you need "suction blades" on your chopper. (The ones that have wings on them.) I am surprised JD doesn't have them? The only drawback is they are not reversible. Redekop makes them for NH for sure and they come standard OE "winged" on outside edges on NH as well! They have to be kept in shape! NH will plug too if they are wore off!
Make sure you’re running your separator vane in Standard mode, not advanced to get that straw beat-up better to not hang up at the chopper. Also try running a slightly tighter concave & more rotor speed if you’re not cracking. 👍
Cant wait to see your video with Ron and having these problems.
Great video Mike but please turn the combine engine off when your inside the back. What with all the sensor and electric issues I wouldn’t trust it not to engage the machine.
Happened to our X9 last week in soybeans, only 200 sep hours on the machine. We had it plugged about 6 times in two days, then changed our chopper knives out to the S series hammer knives and haven’t had any problems since. I would suggest all new hammer knives and it should fix it.
For conditions reference, we were in 12% irrigated green stem beans running 80bu
Yeah, swapping out the chopper knives to the S type wing style has been mentioned multiple times.
John Deere’s equipment is just like their owners, sensitive. 😂 most people would not have shown the bad. Thank you Mike!
No better comment has ever been said 😎👌👍👏👊
You just won the internet forever.
Dang those conditions look difficult! Hope the rain stops for both of our sake
Same problem in clean beans field. In Europe.
Years ago we would swath lentils and let them dry before combining with a pickup header. We had to swath at night while the dew was on the plants so they wouldn't shatter. Not sure if that is a viable option for you at the north farm.
sounds like a perfect time to do some combine Demos and see who plugs the least! hahah
Gleaner would win easily.
lol!@@gleanerman2195
@@gleanerman2195most likely. It's just too bad they don't offer a massive machine like this. People sleep on the Gleaner all the time because it isn't a big flashy "look at me" machine, but why would you want something that works, over something that you can talk about the cost of 🤣🤣🤣
Would be awesome to see a Claas harvester but im betting Mike will get another S series
Class still has its problems, don’t kid yourself
All brands have their problems to be fair. Mike mentions it from time to time that it doesn't matter what color/brand the equipment is, they all break down@@HectorGarcia-nb2ld
I saw our neighbour's a few years back having to rent JD'S for flax.
The Class feeder does not like flax they were told.
Get one Lexion and test it! 8700 or 8800, first Claas combines
@@JGDT5559My neighbor runs a 8900… thing is massive!!!
Is the plugging only on dual rotors ?
I remember from the fendts you had to add the shark fin to help with material flow out of the rotor areas
I thought the JD units spun opposite of the fendt (just checked they do)
I wonder if there needs to be a beater or something pushing the material down and away from the exit of the rotors
Claas ?
Do you have a possibility to demo Claas Lexion? Might be the right choice for you.
Wow what you have to go through to make soup. Great job guys stay strong
Neighbor with 770 has been fighting the rear beater all fall. Started on fire back there today dealer said to get rid of the second rear beater. What is Deere thinking to have that plugging thing in there to begin with. The old 9770 does just fine with one beater. Not sure if Deere gives a damn anymore except charge plenty
Man I’d love to see a Claas run against that x9
Lexion 8900 vs X9 ..... 👀 I bet mother deere would bring out their entire legal team to remove that video 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Have you tried the hammer knifes? Helps throw the material into the chopper. We had plugging before the chopper from green canola stocks. Hammer knifes fixed that problem.
Great video Mike
Wow!!! That’s a Job!
Hmm wouldn't hurt to get a Claas demo and test it a bit 🤷♀
Mike I love your videos, Always great content. I guess the X9 want designed for cutting alfalfa.
I heard they plug up in a heavy barley crop as well.
They plugged up bad in my neighbors peas. All day long. Made my old 7720 look good. Never plugged in my peas and it was a better crop.
@chadtosh6831 they are big, but are they big enough? Lol
@@jeremycherny2041 probably too big is it’s biggest problem. Think jd overshot and overpromised on these combines.
I would recommend Mike tring a Claas 8800-8900 combain as I have had exellent expirence with them in even worse contisions . When a john deere x9 coudn't go through it the claas just zipped it right up no problem. But yet again thats just my expirence.
mike will be capable of worse with the claas. I saw photos of a clogged Claas combine harvester
@@lafermedu14etlagriculteurs29 true. I have clogged the claas harvesters as well, but it's much harder to do compared to a john deere.
One must question the enghineering and testing done on these components. Surely, the conditions you are working would not be unique. It reminds me of the rotary lawmower we used to have - any hint of green grass, and ther thing clogged up - but then it only cost $NZ305.00. Cheers and thanks for the coverage.
A few farmers south of the boarder run through Kosha weeds in there red combines. Maybe it’s time to test one?
If I remember right you bought a s690 with extra blower at the shredder, does it do a better job with lentils ?
Our neighbors x9 isn't doing to good in pintos. The fuel tank also cracked open in the field.
The need choppers like the tribine.. a set of knives for each rotors
Maybe try to drop lentil residue out of windrower like when you want to bail wheat straw and bypass the chopper if it's keep plugging.
If you know you know😂 Only one feeling like it when the combine makes the exact noise Mike made😂
And you can feel it in the floor boards
Cut a hell of a lot more green than that in the 80's before roundup beans, giant rag weed, lambs quarters,,,, with an IH 1460, never plugged it... LOL!!!
It probably did. There was just no sensor telling you it was plugged. 😂
My first question on seeing this title was "How do the S-Series handle these conditions?". Thanks for answering that - I hope the Green people can do something about the X-machine because it's such a superb machine in most other ways.
They're putting the winged S- Series knives in it to get more air flow. Where the heck is his dealer?
Winged would definitely help, but it's like putting a Band-Aid on when you need stiches 😆.
I started windrowing in another video just to hey done and still plugged it while windrowing for goodness sakes 🫣🤦🏻♂️
@@mikemitchell2554 How about a bigger version of the one that works?
@@lynwessel2471 thats the biggest s series there is
@@joshcrd7925 Talking about an S series style chopper that would fit the X9.
Have to put S series chopper knives on them and it’ll cut and create suction out the rear. There’s two different choppers to order I guess for the X9’s. One has twice as many knives but you likes have the lesser of the two. Get pattison to throw S series hammers on it.
Maybe it’s the spreader that causing it to plug? Also get at rear view camera (Wolfbox) you can see when it stop putting out straw?
So is the stuff in back all chaff (as it should be)? It kinda looked like there was a fair amount of crop in what Donovan dug out.
Mike will have the entire north farm to lentils next yr. 😂😂
Give you credit even growing an acre up there. They can be hard enough to grow in the south at times.
May be stick with wheat, canola barley, seems that’s what most do up there.
I personally couldn’t be bothered with the frustration of growing them up there.
Laughing my a--- over the forage harvester comment!!
Pre nice ideals haven’t plugged once for us lol. 1 hour downtime all harvest too🤷♂️
Just wondering are you running the chopper in high speed or is it one speed n go if it is I’d drop a pulley size and make her hum , but I’d still run red if it were up to me
What do you recon you'll be trying to plug next year?
I think you should make a compilation made only of your machine noises. 😁
It looks a lot like silage to me Mike.....every machine made by man has a limit......my only John Deere is a 20 yr old riding mower but I do understand that if I try to run it at road speed in tall wet grass it will probably plug up.......just a grumpy old man spoutin off. I still enjoyed the video.
I love how you could no resist to try agian, just thinking the first time was bad luck. Hahaha I know the feeling. You keep thinking it will get better or work a second time.
Even as green as the regrowth is, there's still no alot of it...compared to say green stemmed soys. Is it maybe a feeding issue, where its houng through the rotors in slugs?
I jave no idea how they would behave in your situation, but world wide, CLAAS and New Holland hold the reigns for best combines. Maybe a good opportunity to ask for a demo from them.
Yahooooo, the XLAX worked for the constipation.
Oh what a relief, I need a good auto dump chute.
Combines need to built for tuff conditions, in the real world farmers can’t wait for mother nature to cooperate.
100percent right because chances are mother nature won't
Mike you need to install the winged chopper knifes in every position you can from an s-series machine to prevent the chopper blocking
Yep there’s a DTAC solution for this . I’m not sure he will see it here
DTAC 218682 - X9 Chopper/Discharge Chute Plugging
Mike, you dont step into a running combines hopper, I know youre fully aware of that risk but please be extra extra careful when you do stuff like this :(
We just had a farmer here in germany lose both his legs doing exactly this
Amazes me you went fot whole 2 x9 combines, despite the debacle over the demo machine 😂I thi k Millennial farmer got that demo which cracked me up a bit.
Mike I think you would be impressed with a nh.
Mike we run 3 X9’s put S series chopper hammers in the problems go away we fought the choppers getting plugged in green stuff for two years… there’s a pop that’s in the works that hasn’t been released yet and that’s the pip
What is the difference, besides the twin rotor separator, between the 2 machines as to why one will plug and the other won't? I mean, I know there's a size difference too, but...