Bloodborne Cut Content - Yharnam Stone Purpose - Fishing Hamlet Priest Unused Dialogue
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Support my work on Patreon: / lancemcdonald
Follow my work on Twitter: / manfightdragon
Check out my other Channel: / @manfightdragon
Join the Discord: / discord
When it comes to cut content, this is by no means the most massive chunk, but I felt like it was significant mostly in its relationship to such a significantly mysterious item in Bloodborne. I hope you found this a little interesting!
I have to admit, over all I find this really confusing. I always figured there was really no connection between Mergo/Yharnam and Kos/Orphan. But the priest's reaction makes me feel like maybe at some point there was meant to be? Kinda interested to hear what you'se think.
Lance McDonald cool
Glad to see more of this great game!
It makes me feel like the Hamlet Priest empathized with Queen Yharnam's loss of her Infant Great One through the Yharnam Stone, just as Kos lost hers.
The connection is that the priest is heartbroken over the fact that the orphan was ripped from his mother. Mergo was also ripped from her Mother (literally) and I suppose he feels some comfort knowing that there are other mothers out there that have lost children. There’s also a connection between both being children who are great ones.
I is think that your paragraph are wrong 🤣🤣
Huge props to the priest's voice actor. How much phlegm did the guy have to dug up into his throat to record these lines?
The man clearly almost killed himself for this role, and so much of his dialogue was cut :c
@@CarlNiemi wait , he almost killed himself ?
@@CarlNiemi elaborate
This guy managed to make one of the most haunting dialoges in the game just with a couple lines.
It was actually just a bunch of Miyakazi's cum
My impression is that there is no direct connection between the Hamlet and Queen Yharnham, but that the priest is marveling at the "mother's devotion" that clings to the stone which references his earlier dialogue about the curse clinging like a mother's devotion, and then as thanks he gives you a "blessing" from kos. Because this dialogue and interaction was cut, it implies that if the blessing was an actual item we were to be given, the item was either cut (which would likely have trace bits of information still left in the files that I would expect to have been found by now), or was an item that we ended up obtaining in another way which I find to be the more likely outcome.
Just a shot in the dark but I'd guess that in an earlier version of the game the Milkweed rune would have instead been given to us through this method but was changed to the bloated head quest so as not to gate content behind something that a much smaller minority of players would do. Perhaps even the Kos Parasite working the way it does with Milkweed had not been determined yet but by making Milkweed necessary to use Kos Parasite they didn't want to make Arcane builds have to do the entire chalice dungeon run through everytime. After all the beast claws which is the yin to the parasite's yang you only have to do a few chalices to get.
I don't think that.
Having the Queen of the city, to be a surrogate mother, and to birth a squid like children, who will be some kinda Alien God, fits perfectly with the game, let's not forget that the Japan name of Bloodborne, Buraburu, I don't remember, means, ''Miscarriage''.
@@MidnightatMidian Shit, Miscarriage?! Creepy
@MidnightatMidian [citation needed] on that plz.
@@holamoco Yeah, it gets pretty obvious with the symbolim of the game, Mensis, Moon, surrogate, nurse, the gash on Yahrnam Belly, the women birthing abominations. And now this video, which clearly connect the japanese Title, with its symbolism.
@@MidnightatMidian What does the Moon represent?
I feel like the voice acting in these games goes super under appreciated I mean the deliveries are always spot on and fit with the tone of the game
Legit
It's taken for granted
Frognation are the ones who find such talent for the localization. So glad they're coming back for Elden Ring.
A hoonter must hoont
Literally everyone always says "tHe vOiCe AcTiNg Is So UnDeRrAtEd" whenever they hear a single line of dialogue in this game. It's not "underrated" at all.
The hero no one asked for but one that we needed
Oh i know what you mean fried
The Hero we never asked for, but the one we appreciate nonetheless.
Lance, how many eyes do you have? You have way too much insight.
must be annoying hearing baby noises all the time
@@VankashTV you shouldn't have wasted this on a sub-comment. Go big!
As you once did for the vaccuous Rom, grant us eyes, graant us eeeyes
@@zanbato2794 ahh kos, or some say kosm
@@VankashTV you here the baby noises because of the insight?
I wonder if the reward could’ve been the kos parasite when he says “kos bless this messenger” instead of it coming from the orphan
Or some other Caryll rune. Just to imagine, that Kos in her current form, speaks her blessing in response to priest's plea and you receive the rune. It might have been Milkweed or something other, that might symbolize the mother's devotion.
Sometimes I have a feeling that game has more cut and unused content than actual.
Seriously! And the stuff Lance finds appears to be finished most the time. Wonder why they cut so much stuff out, other than deadlines.
@@derekcampbell4209 Because that's how some people, and it seems many game devs, choose to write--start with a lot and pare it down to the good shit.
Just look at New Vegas. You could make a new Fallout game with just the cut content.
Not to mention some of the weird stuff they cut out, like the door that would've led from Cathedral Ward back to the Cleric Beast bridge, but they just chose to remove that route altogether and left a useless door.
@Chromasus i believe they did that on porpuse. Not every citizen is meant to be in the upper city. The door could've been openable tho...
I wonder if the priest was supposed to give you an item after you gave him the stone. I mean, some dialogue after months of chalice dungeons as a reward seems underwhelming.
I reckon he probably was meant to give you an item, like how Maria's cut dialogue has her saying "Take the relics in this room as your reward" but there's nothing there. Probably this was unfinished in a similar way.
maybe that was the accursed brew
Months of chalices just for getting the Stone? Lmao git gud scrub.
@@golDroger88 You made me Laugh Little Dumb Dumb
I platinum'd the game in like 2 weeks. Where do those months of chalice dungeons come from o.o?
I love that someone disliked this, as if this wasn't the cut content they were hoping for or something.
There's always some people who will dislike the evidences, just because it does not fit their personnal headcannons.
@Jonny g Cashing. Nah, some people just can't go through their ego...!!!
Bots.
Its probably because sansa disk revealed this months ago
MidnightatMidian, well it does not fit in Miyazaki's headcannon and thats (PROBABLY) why this piece of content was cut, there is really very poor relations between Kos, water, hamlet and Ptumeru, Princess and ... somewhat blood. (Actually its seems to be that this is two absolutely unrelated events (in the time of happening) what is pretty obvious)
With the stone essentially being the calcified fetus of Queen Yharnam's unborn child, is the priest commending her devotion to her child? Like, it's what's left of the "physical" child while it still exists "formlessly"? This is really interesting. Great work as always, Lance.
Bloodborne as a standalone title is more ambiguous than Dark Souls, so it's always great seeing connecting the lines that might have once been there.
Makes me wonder if miyazaki intended to connect BB to DS3 when he made BB.
His dialogue does make it look like its connected.
"Messenger" i doubt that he would mistake us to those little anorexic skeletons
As well as "from beyond" and "mother"
What if the player character truly is from DS universe and that this painting is rotting.
The mother he speak of is none other than the painter girl.
"Seek the paleblood" has a different meaning to me now after Gael's line of "blood of the dark soul"
To me, paleblood is either blood derived from the light soul or what happens when the paint rots
Much like in painting of ariandel, his painting started to get cold/frozen when the painting started to disintegrate.
What if the painting is flooded on the account that its rotting?
Like aldrich dreamt, which his dreams normally come true.
The fishermans dialogue truly make it seem like miyazaki already was way ahead or rather got DS3 content from BB.
@@wanderingbufoon There's also that whole idea of the next age in dark soul, being in Aldritch vision, the "Age of the deep sea".
And yeah there's all that thing around blood in DS3 DLC.
I think the curse of men, in DS, is not a "frozen concept" as it evolves.
While men were once inheritor of a Soul (such like Gwyn, Nito and Izalith), Gwyn accursed the men with a seal of fire, changing forever their nature as well as the one of the world by linking it.
And while the curse was at start something related to soul, it changes its nature through time to turn it into blood.
It became concrete, while souls are supposely ethereal. Blood is profane while soul is divine, if you prefer.
That's why the Dark soul once was a soul, while in the end, it's blood.
And this is why the abyss evolved in two separate concepts: the deep (related to sea) and the rot (related to flesh).
They become two side of a same coin, one representing a kind of ascencion, a future (the deep sea, the future age seen by Aldritch) while the other one represents an end, a stagnation (the rot, seen in the painting, but also through ennemies infected by Pus of men as an example)
Even the world is rotting in its own way, through those dead roots appearing all around it (and that are nearly everywhere in its end).
This way it could make some sense that BB world could be the age of the deep sea!
Also, there's something really interesting in DS3, and that's the Pilgrims. Purely related to dark at start, they were seeking for ascencion, and they found it by turning into celestials creatures: Angels.
They are deeply linked to the curse through the game, and by extension, maybe those angels are in their own kind, the "newborns gods" that replace Gwyn and his kind (Gwyn and his kind being the Gods of the age of fire, while those angels would be the Gods of the Age of the deep sea) and by extension, the ancestors of BB divinities.
Other point on this, is that they are born from men, from the curse, and in BB main game, the "perfect ending" shows that men can ascend to those celestials gods, implying that they were humans once, just like Men and Angels.
Of course, that's only paralleles between DS and BB universe, and they are untrue as Myazaki stated that BB and DS are not linked.
But well, as you said, maybe at some point he wanted to connect those two worlds! And it's still interesting to find connexions like these, and try to give them some meaning!
@@wanderingbufoon + V ON , sorry guys but Bloodborne was meant to have connections with Demon Souls, not Dark Souls, the lines in Bloodborne cut content, (Umbasa..) and some interviews with the devs clearly stated that. Therefore you're not completely wrong, since Demon Souls has some connections with Dark Souls
There's a reason why the umbasa line got cut. Bloodborne is a standalone.
@@omnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom3831 Well from miyazaki and the devs, it wasn't meant to be this way at the start, but yes it's a stand alone. As well as Dark souls is not a sequel of Demon Souls but was orinally meant to be, but finally wasn't be, but for legal reasons this time.
fishing priest is such a bro
Legit.
@Strigorvious Dregorous - Nah fam. If I could curse an organization of killers after they butchered me and my entire community for being different to appease a creepy fucks curiosity - and later - to do damage control for a big-ass rogue pharmacy that's knowingly poisoning it's customers, I probably would.
@@lettuceprime4922 Cyberpunk+Lovecraft, dude, you nailed it.
The Bloodborne community is amazing all the stuff that gets unearthed years after the game came out it's incredible!
Lance is doing God’s work
the Great Ones' work*
@@Demokaze Some say Kosom.
Here's a retranslation of the subtitled text:
ギイイイイイッ…
ゴース！ゴースの赤子っ…
ギイッ…ギイイッ…
ギイイイイイッ…
時もなく、海も遠く。 それでも腐臭、母の愛は届いたか
ああ、ありがとう。 使者よ、感謝します
彼方からの使者に、ゴースの加護あれ
Giiiiih...
Kos! Infant of Kos...
Giih...giiih...
Giiiiih...
Timeless, the sea is distant. Even though it smells rotten, mother's love has arrived?
Ah, thank you. *Envoy, you have my gratitude.
Envoy from afar, may you have the blessing of Kos
---
*使者 - Can mean messenger, envoy, emissary, etc. I went with envoy just to differentiate it from the tiny messengers and celestial emissaries.
Hmm...how do you translate? Jisho?
giiiiiih
Last Protagonist
日本人?
@@serraramayfield9230 I use a few options: jisho.org, ejje.weblio.jp, dictionary.goo.ne.jp, kotobank, Google + image searches, and a thesaurus if I'm having trouble thinking of the right way to phrase something.
@@Losekun 欧米人
Wait that "lay the curse of blood upon them and their children, and their children's children for evermore" is remarkably similar to the Dung Eater's dialogue, they understandably must have liked those lines so repurposed them. Pretty cool to see!
This game is years old and there’s STILL stuff I didn’t know about it (after 400hours+ of gameplay). Astonishing
Well... that's because it's cut content, no matter how many hours you played the game you would have never found it.
You're telling me brother
Clicked as soon as I heard you made another vid!
Waiting for the 4h long podcast of you and Richie talking about this
Welcome Sin!
@@rianrodrigues8195 XD
@Cody Ingram The J in JSF stands for Jenius.
@@arthurmorgan972 haiii
Surely you’re on the brink of madness Lance?
A hands breadth to becoming unwound.
Theory: kos was supposed to be queen yharnam afyer she turn into a great one (like we do in the 3rd ending) but they decided later to change kos to a stand alone great one
Ik its a stretch but still it would explain why the yharnam stone changes his dialouge(even though its dropped from yharnam)
If I had to venture a guess I would have to say that it has something to do with the fact that the Pthumerians were in contact with the Great Ones, including Kos. The item Queenly Flesh is similar to the Yharnam Stone, both are remains of Pthumerian or Pthumerian/Human hybrids, and is indicative of their immortality. When the Queenly Flesh is presented to the Altar of Despair, the game tells you that "Time runs in reverse," implying that the Pthumerians and the Great Ones seemed to share some sort of ability to move backwards in time within certain contexts. Notice the priest says "Time is not, and the sea rumbles afar" again implying that time is out of wack. I guess we can say that upon seeing this, he understands that the Queen has been killed, yet still lives (or has the potential to live again). Seeing as she was royalty among a master race blessed by Great Ones, it would make sense for the priest to have some sort of reverence to her...
Mitch L Kos isn’t a great one
@@MastersweetRAY
What??
@@motazfawzi2504 great ones cannot bear children, so either kos isn’t a great one, or the creature that gave birth to the orphan isnt kos. Reading is hard, I know.
@@MastersweetRAY
Can they not?
Every Great One loses it's child, so maybe they are born dead, die as a baby or later while still in childhood.
Unless I forgot some other item description
It's debated whether the possible murder of the orphan could be considered an example, or the loss of the child is from a natural cause, if so then maybe the orphan was destined to die later on or something about the parent (Kos) dieing changes this general truth so that the child can survive (if not interrupted by a murderer of course).
@@motazfawzi2504 they cannot bear children, which is why they need surrogates. Such as the pthumerian queen or the escort you can save and send to the chapel. Kos is either not a great one, or the creature on the beach isn’t kos, it is the surrogate. There is a caveat that the death of the mother caused a sort of limbo for the orphan but it’s a muddy gray area
Always love your videos, Lance :)
Since my PS4 got stolen I rely on your awesome work to fill the void till I can rejoin the hunt. As usual I was excited to see it was from as it's always top notch and never disappointed!!
Pei Laz a so called friend broke in my house and stole my PS4 and quiet a few other systems to feed his addiction.
Pei Laz I chose not to press charges as there was no way to recover my stuff. He just lost a good friend and I believe in karma. He was locked up last I knew and I'm sure he won't get out anytime soon.
57 people disliked this video?
what exactly is bad about these videos, i love seeing the "bts" and cut content from games.
great work!
Incredible work... we can now speculate feverishly....it makes my head shudder uncontrollably.....Umbasa....
oldlux umbasa Brother
Muito obrigado, caro amigo. Acabei de pegar a Pedra de Yharnam e tava a procura de conteúdo a respeito. Embora não seja perfeitamente claro, me ajudou a entender a respeito. Já deixo o Like 👍🏼
Perfect timing, Lance. Just in time for return to Yharnam!
It's incredible how many gems you have found buried in the code and more so that you have been able to give us a little insight into the things that never made it into the retail version of this masterpiece
This is truly incredible. It's 2019 and we STILL have stuff to see. Thank you so much for spending your time and sharing this.
I just want to say that it's a blessing that we have someone like you Lance. Someone that puts in all of the hard work like you do, to shed light on things that we would have never known about. You're truly a paragon of integrity of all things Bloodborne. Keep up the good work my friend. 👍
Awesome job Lance, Keep it coming please!!!
WoW! part of mystery is solved thanks to you I get mad many times trying to resolved Yharnam stone, Thanks again for the hard work you have done, I really appreciate.
You're a wizard Lance! It so cool to see what possible content we missed out on. Props for putting it all back together!
The work you are doing is amazing! Thanks for it!!
I'm really glad you still have stuff from souls/borne to share with us!!!
Thank you Lance. As always, your delvings into the cut content yield insight, questions, and maybe a little more understanding of the lore that Fromsoft may or may not have intended for us to see. Cheers mate.
I love that poem at the end of the dlc. It gave me goosebumps the first time I heard it.
I thank you deeply for the work you put into this and hope you'll bring much more to light, best regards.
You're doing the lord's work, my friend. Can't wait to see what you dig up on Sekiro in the coming years.
You're a legend, Lance! It's amazing to get these peeks behind the curtain of the gamedev process. Thank you!
what about the ring of betrothal?
i'd imagine its purpose is similar to the yharnam stone's in this video - give you a bit of extra dialogue providing additional lore, but nothing more. i believe its intended purpose was fulfilled, and i doubt datamining the game would give any insight as to removed functions of the item
There is lots of cut dialogue related to that. I'll show it some time.
@@DebugMenu OwO
You get shot down af by Analise, so that's already in the game.
I imagine that there is dialog where she says yes and you become the betrothed of the vampire queen.
Good job dude, you’re the hero we needed. At least now we know something that without your help would never been discovered
Great vid as always, Lanceboy
My read of this is that giving him the stone was the original way to receive the Kos parasite, which is the "blessing of kos" he mentions, with the last gurgle intended to sound like he is regurgitating it for you or something. Maybe the devs decided that the kos parasite was a little too good of a weapon to hide behind killing the superboss and decided to make it easier to obtain, and so changed things around, with as a result the yharnam stone remaining without a purpose.
6:39 you can clearly hear a female voice speaking alongside the priests'
It’s the women in the huts. You can find audio of them cursing the hunters
We appreciate the work you do
I exude gratitude for this video
Thanks again for your hard work Lance! There might be a cut content item hidden in the game that is meant to be received after handing over the stone. But if there is, you'll find it.
I can't believe I haven't subscribed yet, especially after watching almost all you videos.
Keep it up my dude
Thank you!, its been bothering me since i got the damn thing as to what it does.
That’s too darn cool, great find man! Found you from Reddit, definitely subscribing!
Amazing, first time I know this, also when you revealed that. Micolash is behind Willem on the laurence cut scene, that was killer!
Thanks for ur time and work. I’m sure this was a pain in the ass to find. Thank u.
Love these videos! "I have a lot more to show" --- looking forward to the next one!
Oh Lance, or some say Lance McDonald, grant us eyes
Ah, sweet child of Kos.
Thanks a lot for this! Great job! This has some.very substantial lore implications and also deals with my two favorite parts of the game
Thank you so much for this video, I frikkin love them! :D Please keep them coming!
As much as I want to joke about him giving you guidance 3 as a reward it'd actually make sense. A great one's blessing and guidance
So I thought about it for ages, and guys - I figured it out. The yharnam stone is the old man's equivalent of a humanity, and that's why you improve his mood with it and he expresses his gratitude. He had given up.
This is awesome Lance
Love all your Bloodborne videos!
Holy shit. Outstanding work!
Your videos about Bloodborne are my favourite. Love this game and your work on the content so much, thank you! ❤️
The priest is actually a direct reference to Charles le Sorcier, from the small story "The Alchemist", written by Lovecraft on 1908. When he says "mercy for the poor", he's actually paying respect to all the peasant children his father was falsely accused of kidnapping. The curse section references to when Charles, after discovering his father was killed over false accusations of having kidnapped Comte's son, Godfrey, curses the entire Comte's family and any child his son would have in the future, also including his grandchildren and beyond. This curse limits the lives of everyone born from his blood to last no longer than his by the time Charles pronounced it.
I love this game so much. Amazing video btw man, a large insight as always
Thank you very much for all your work and effort! This is very interesting :D
Quality geezer, st8 kinging, adds new depth to an already mental story, king on toast
Outstanding effort and piece of lore, friend.
This is bonkers lance, great work!
Finally a brand new insight.. You sir are a scholar thank you
Caution: a lot of rambling is coming.
Could it be that, originally, the Yharnam Stone was used by the Byrgenwerth scholars (the ones that originally invaded the Chalice Dungeons, aka Pthumeru) to fertilize Kos (or outright revive the Orphan that died inside her) to produce a human-like creature (aka the Orphan, now devoid of both natural and surrogate mother) with both the powers of blood and magic, something to both contain the old blood of the great ones and the human prowess of hunters (making it so that his own placenta would work like a trick weapon), ? We do know that all great parties in Yharnam came in contact with Kos (the mentioned experiments of Byrgenwerth), as well as the Orphan already being around (or the Fishing Hamlet priest would not have known that the Orphan was "wizened"), so could it be? After all, many inhabitants of the Fishing Hamlet keep saying "Mother is dead, her baby taken". That would mean that at some point the Orphan was taken out by someone and something was done to him. The curse of the hunters in the Hunters' Nightmare, after all, stemmed from the Orphan being messed with, and could explain the slug-like appearance of the chosen children of the Great Ones in the present. Or maybe it's the other way around: Kos's child was taken from her and he somehow ended up becoming Mergo, with its surrogate mother being Yharnam. So, by impeding his birth in the past in the Chalice Dungeon, closed in the Yharnam Stone, we're bringing back to the Priest the unborn form of the Orphan, protected by the unbending will of both his mothers (Kos conceiving him and wanting him to live, Yharnam accepting him and also wanting him to live), which could very well be what the priest is admiring most of all.
I'm so confused, but this opens up so many possibilities!
Thank you so much, Lance, your work is wonderful.
Great work as always.
I just love your videos!
Awesome work as always detective McDonald.
You never cease to amaze me man, well done!
Always exciting to see your uploads, Lance! Great stuff as always.
Keep up the good work
These are such interesting videos, I love your stuff
Queen Yharnam seems like a counterpart to Kos as Mergo is to Orphan of Kos. Then it comes full circle by Mergo being used by Mensis to contact Kos herself.
And as you are to the doll in the third ending
Its amazing how you keep finding stuff
Its only a matter of time until you're able to recover Bloodborne 2 from the game files
Haha i think the fact that they are absent proves From capped it at one game.
Excellent work as always, Lance!
I can’t stop thinking of the possibilities are unlimited
Thank you once more for sharing your infinite insight about this marvelous game with us!
jesus fucking christ , this game is still being discovered 4 years later
Awsome video i love what your doing on both twitter and here on youtube! :)
Great video!! All time, my favorite game and world story, cannot wait to watch more!
Really thanks to your digging.
I'm so happy to know there's STILL more to discover in the game! I finally finished The Old Hunters DLC and I'm just broken by the experience.
Well done! Thank you for your hard work!
Excellent work as always!
Good job hoonting these contents
This is absolute amazing content I wonder how much unused content there is left in Bloodborne! With Sekiro around the corner I’m sure you’re going to start delving into its files to see what hidden secrets Sekiro has. I guess we all better start learning Japanese!
Great Work!
goosebumps everytime 3:29 i love that monologue its my favorit of all Games or Movies. I like Nashandra's to '' Now... be One... with the Dark ~ '' or Gael ''Go on, take it, touch it...'' xd and dont forget Saint Astraea
Excellent work! May the good blood guide your way!
Nice work, friend. I love the lore of the game... This here is really interesting, I also never thought that Mergo/Yharnam are connected in some way with the hunters nightmare and Kos... I hope you can find out more on that. Again, really nice work 👍🏻
i love being reminded that bloodborne was a thing.
*Is a thing still.
it will always be
A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea, source of all greatness, all things that be.
It seems that the stone holds a significance similar to what the Dark Soul meant in Dark Souls 3. It was an item which tied the endgame content from the base game into the end of the DLC. Providing the player with that very small sense of hope for the future of a dying world.
A gift dignifying a lost child, made to a lost child.
I absolutely love these videos.