How to Use Reface With A Master Keyboard
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- On this video we show you how to connect your reface with a master keyboard.
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Great tips! You can also use this set-up if you only have another 49 key controller and set the octaves independently to get a larger octave range.👍🏽
can someone point me in the direction of this keyboard stand holding up the reface CP?? Been looking for one forever
Looks like a laptop stand
It seems to me that there is something else to do to pair a Reface and keyboards. I just connect MIDI cables, make sure that connections are right (IN OUT) and nothing happens. both Yamaha and Kaiwa have settings for MIDI. In the case case of my Kaiwa, local control on/off, midi channels, and some more. It would be useful to explain how to set this out besides connections. Thanks!
hello very good video, but if the master keyboard does not have midi in / out output only usb to host, could they connect with some software? Thank you
Wow! Just Wow! I used to want a Rhodes, Clavi, Wurli and a Hammond
But now alls I want is a Yamaha Reface. No need for all those old, heavy hard to maintain high dollar instruments.
If offered a free Rhodes or a free Reface I'd choose the Rhodes tho lol
Is it possible to use sustain pedal when play reface with master keyboard?
Yes
Will this work with a Yamaha s90es Dr. Mix?
Thanks for the video! Was wondering if this set up (with breakout cable) would also work with a midi-controller?
Great video. When I play it with my Yamaha clavinova, I have the problem that it doesn't respond and play like a real Rhodes. I can't change the sound by hitting harder or less harder on the keys. Seems like the velocity or responsive is not good,as I don't get the versatile sound.
Do you know how to fix that?
Killer riff at 3:20. Also, I'm sure you've heard this, but your voice reminds me of Tommy Wiseau and I'm a genuine fan of his. Subscribed.
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This works perfectly fine and I just did it this way after spending the whole day trying in vain to setup the CS with a master keyboard in Studio One so that I can record the synth and the midi data. I'll try again tomorrow using this same setup hopefully there isn't any issues.
How you contact it via midi cable is not difficult to find out. I guess what would have been really helpful is to show how to assign a master keyboard to a reface PLUS how to give it permission to manipulate the other levels, like oscillator, enveloppe, effects, .. i use a reface CS and a novation impulse and face problems with it :D
Just got the reface YC yesterday,and today spent almost 7 hrs jamming via midi controller and eventually recording an awesome track in my DAW.Own also the CP and gotta tell you,these keyboards are really all I need.♥️🗽
Is there a way to connect a reface model to a keyboard that only has a usb midi port? Any conversion cables out there?
kenton usb host
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I'm sure you've likely come to a conclusion on this already, but I had the same question and the following video is very useful: th-cam.com/video/neXswJJcatc/w-d-xo.html
Hopefully it can be of use to others with the same question (or invite someone to correct me if any of this info is wrong)
TL;DW: There are a few options, the main ones (IMO) below:
- You can use a MIDI-USB host as the other commenter has said (which is quite expensive, around £100 in the UK)
- You can use a Raspberry Pi to work as a MIDI-USB host (may require a bit of Linux know-how, and potentially a MIDI-USB cable, not sure if this method works with a standard USB Type-B to USB cable)
- If you're on Mac OS/Linux there are included programs to route MIDI signals from one device to another (USB MIDI controller -> Computer -> Reface)
- You may also be able to do the above via a DAW (the video creator in that link uses Ableton to do that, and the accepted answer here: www.midi.org/forum/3763-unusual-midi-routing says that the free Windows DAW Cakewalk by Bandlab works also)
Hello Dr. Mix! Great video 🔥🔥
but i now have two questions:
1. Does this also work with the reface cs?
2. will one be able to play velocity sensitive when connected to the reface cs synthesizer with a master kwyboard that is velocity sensitive?
Any help would be appreciated!
Not seeing an answer to a question I have, a simple one. I want to use my Yamaha MX88 for piano sounds and the Reface DP for Rhodes, etc. How can I easily go from one to the other in a performance. In other words, let's say I am playing a piano based song and want to hear just the MX88, then next I'm playing an electric piano song and only want to hear the Reface. How do I do that? Thanks.
Ok hubby tried this with the refacr YC and the piano he connected it to has no sound. Any tips?
Hello, great video! Can you use the reface yc in a lower octave and the master key/ midi in a higher. Going for a doors sound where ray manzarek used a piano bass on top of a vox continental.
What Stand do you use for Reface? Thanks
you ever find a good stand for the reface? looking for one myself
How can you traspose in a live setting???????????
where is the out to the main sound board coming from? the MOX or the reface?
can I use that but I blend a synth pad from the MOX and Cp at the same time from the reface? would I need to outputs
???
you just cracked my mind open
Can you link the controls on the reface to knobs/sliders on the master keyboard?
Hi thanks for the video, but it doesn’t seem to work for me I’m trying to connect my cp with my kronos2 but I get no sound from the cp on my Kronos and is there a setting so I can turn off the speakers on the cp or is it that simple to just turn the volum down;) appreciate your answer or thoughts in advanced best regards /Mike
Exactly my case. Connecting cables is not enough, at least when I do this to my Kawai keyboard. Both Yamaha and Kawai have setups for Midi and I guess some configuration in software must be made
I obviously don't understand the fundamentals of MIDI communication from one device to another; so I'm confused whether a keyboard controller (ie. no onboard sound built in) can function as the master keyboard for a Reface (assuming the controller has a MIDI dim)? Would it make any difference if there were a USB MIDI Host (such as the Hobbytronics MIDI Host or Kenton MIDI USB Host MkII) powered in between?
Yes a MIDI controller can do that. MIDI is just a set of commands telling the recipient to do stuff e.g."play C3" "stop playing C3". If the master is a USB host, it should work.
Any one know if the master keyboard would be velocity sensitive because I read the reface is not v.s.? Just wondering if you could get a wurli or Rhodes to "pop" if you play hard on the master. Maybe I just get an mx49 instead
Lmk if you figured this out please lmao
reface cp is velocity sensitive on its own, so playing it through a midi controller would be velocity sensitive too, in my experience it has quite good feel and control even on the mini keys
Wow, I have a digital piano from yamaha p125 can I use the pitch modulation controller of the yamaha cs?
I just bought a reface yc will this work with my Alesis vi49
Hey Doctor Mix! I was hoping you could help me, I'm trying to do this but using an M-Audio Keystation Mk3 as the controller. I have the midi cables connected as you (and the Yamaha manual) say but I'm getting no sounds from the Reface speakers. Neither keyboard is connected to anything else, do they need to be? To a computer for example? The Keystation is mains powered as is the Reface. Hoping you or someone reading this might have an idea! Thanks!
Having the same issue here, did you ever find a solution?
DR Mix here in the video is connecting between 5 pin midi to 5 pin midi devices (both Yamaha too) I’ve done the same between two Reface units (CP & YC to obtain 72 keys of either CP or YC) but from what I can tell your M-Audio Keystation Mk3 is only USB midi and that is probably the problem unless you have some kind of converter between the two different technologies. I believe there are converters you can buy off the shelf as apparently someone connected a Roland Go to a Yamaha Reface and he mentioned a converter box by a U.K. company called Kent for around £80/100
can i connect a simple midi keyboard to it with a simple midi cable, i don`t have that double midi cable that is included
Will an external controller trigger modulation via the wheel too on the Reface DX??
Doctor im sick...
I am a complete newb with the midi master keyboards. Do I have to have the master keyboard connected to a pc or anything other than the reface?
What if I hooked up a third keyboard through the midi does anyone think there'd be delay on it?
What cable exactly do you need to get?
Can you do the same thing but use a USB mini cable?
I'm very new to key, synths and midi. I recently bought a Reface CP, and a Microfreak. Wondering if I should daisychain them together.
Do it!
This is wonderfull Im a guitarist and I need a transpose option too.
is there a way to easily pass from the master keyboard sounds to the reface one? or shall i plug in and out the cable? (i would do this with a cp73) Thank you!
Turn off local on/off. Depending on the master controller keyboard, you might be able to set that to a button for quick access.
Does it work if you use another reface model with another one and control it through that?
You can connect two Reface units together via the 5 pin midi connectors (I did it with my CP & YC) but you’ve still only got mini keys, but it does double the amount of keys from 36 to 72, however I found the tones and sounds of say the CP didn’t quite match the tones & sounds of the YC and visa versa. It’s ok but I prefer to have the ability to connect each to either a 61 or 73 semi weighted keyboard with full size keys
this doesn't sound like Doctor Mix..... probably his secret clone...!!! Also those fingers are not his!!!
This is Reface of DrMix 😉
Great content as usual. Thanks brother 👊🏾
I transpose on my controller (Yamaha P90) but the CP doesn't change. What the flip...help? Anyone?
can you use the reface as a midi keyboard for software instruments with logic proX ?
Yes
Thanks for the vid! Can you have a “synth lead sound” from your master keyboard sent to the Reface? Ex:
Nord Stage 3 (Master Keyboard)
Panel A: Rhodes
Panel B: Send it to Reface so I can have a lead sound on there?
Love your vids!🎹
Play a song.
Ok, I have a Novation Bass Station synth which is midi but also monophonic (one note at a time). If I connect the Reface to it will I get the Reface sounds but still only monophonic meaning I won’t be able to play chords. If so what would i need. Any recommendations?
So useful, thanks for the clear and simple demonstration and tips
If I use for example a reface cs as a master keyboard with the octave low , will it work with a Yamaha reface yc on a higher octave and use the both of them as an extended Yamaha YC?
I haven't actually tried it but I would expect it to work.
Yes I tried it with my CP & YC but the actual tones/sounds of each wasn’t truly accurate to my ears as each device have there own unique sets of control functions inc the pedals I.E. Yamaha FC7 Expression pedal only works on the YC and FC4/5 Sustain pedal on the CP etc
I'm trying to use it on a yamaha reface yc, but it doesn't work, will there be a previous configuration to use it?
Hello, can i connect my roland go piano as a midi controller to the reface cp? I want the reface sounds with the go piano number of keys. Which cables i need?
I hooked my Reface CP midi up to an old casio keyboard that has midi. I can't get the same kind of response as the Reface keys on the Casio. Like when you hit the keys hard on the Reface wurlitzer setting, I can get it to bark and distort. But when hitting the casio keys, that kind of thing doesn't happen.
Does it have to be a special type of midi keyboard to get the same response from the reface?
You need a keyboard that tracks velocity and sends it over midi.
It doesnt bark? Maybe its not a dog 😂
Yes, but I can't change the octaves on the master keyboard. Even if i try to change them on the YC, it won't move the octaves on the master.
Yamaha make a reface in a 64 key (Wurlitzer scale) hammer action keyboard please.
I would assume that the same set up would apple with all the Reface keyboards...such as the Reface DX. Since I'm primarily a piano player, I think a combination of a Cp nd DX Reface would be great. I wonder if two reface units - Cp and DX can both be connected midi so they both ar controlled by the master keyboard.
Yes, it is possible. The MIDI receive channel (1..16) of reface CP and the MIDI receive channel (1..16) of reface DX must be set to different values.
If the master keyboard has only one MIDI Out, a MIDI Thru Box "MIDI In".should be plugged into it, and the MIDI Thru Box "MIDI Thru" outputs should be plugged into the MIDI inputs of the reface CP and reface DX.
I noticed that you basically take everything and put it at the top or bottom of its travel fast as you can LMAO
What’s that stand for the Korg?
It’s a beautiful thing, gorgeous!
Who are you? and what have you done with Dr. Mix !!?
Can I transpose the sounds from the reface from my master keyboard?
Does it works on the reface dx ?
Check my channel and use search : I got a TON of reface dx videos
Doctor Mix okay git il thanks !
how to jump preset shortcut? lets say Im a keyboardist in a band
Hi, nice demonstration. I have a question, if i have a reface yc and a cp, what is the easiest way to switch between the 2 on one full sized key master keyboard ? Seems to be a tricky one!
dcs10291 dude, I'm wondering the exact same thing...did you figure it out?
nope didnt find an answer, im not sure midi switches exist. i suppose youd just have to do it manually. i havent looked very hard though - dont need it yet, if you find an answer please do share!
Not tricky, just set the YC and CP to receive on different MIDI channels (see V1.3 supplementary manual).
During live performance, just switch the MIDI channel on the master keyboard to select which one you want to control. Many (most?) master keyboards will allow you to "split" the keyboard so you can play both at the same time using different areas of the master keyboard.
what model midi cable is that?
Fuq the toy piano.
Any idea how to send midi messages to this keyboard? I'm trying to change midi receiving from "omni" to "channel 1" and I'm so lost 😭
Setting the MIDI channel is only possible with firmware v1.30. If your Yamaha reface is running an older firmware, update it.
usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/0/960060/v130_Manual_en.pdf
how much is a bog standard MIDI keyboard?
Thanks for the demo, that's really really helpful. Ine question though (if my understanding is correct) since the reface receives the signal from the 88 keys controler, which device must be connected to the amp/sound system?
The Reface generates the sound so it should be connected to the sound system.
Can you use drawbars (faders) on a midi controller keyboard to adjust drawbar settings on the reface?
Yes, you can control the reface YC drawbar positions with the Control Change 102..110 messages. See "Yamaha reface Data List", page 17.
usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/794817/reface_en_dl_b0.pdf
My keyboard only has a USB-B to host output and no normal midi output, can I still connect it to the reface cp to use the keys on my bigger keyboard?
No, it has to be via a USB host such as a computer running a DAW app or an Akai MPC One.
I've lost the midi breakout cable, but I cannot find any to buy. Any help available? Thank you!
Google "Yamaha reface MIDI breakout cable".
What type of cable have you used in the reface as in it's a splitter type midi cable ...what do u call it?
That cable comes with the reFace to allow full size midi in and out cables to be plugged into the single mini midi port.
can you also then connect it to your laptop? so use the reface sounds, the bigger keyboard and then record it into Logic or something? Thanks
Yes
Does the sound come out from the Reface or the master keyboard?
The Reface. The master keyboard is "playing" the Reface via MIDI.
Does lt work with a regular midi keyboard?
Yes
I'm getting a Yamaha kx88 and I want to buy the reface cs to pair with it because it's small and compact and I bring it to my friends house (also I don't want to buy an amp to connect to my speakers if I buy micromonsta.) Will the sound be coming out of the speakers on the reface speakers?
Yes, but you can turn the reFace speakers on and off by holding down D2 when powering the reFace on.
When used with a master keyboard will it be velocity sensitive?
Yes.
Is there a way to use the speakers of the master keyboard?
This is untested so probably 99,9% wrong, but in theory you COULD drive the sound Reface out the OUTPUT or PHONES port into the AUX IN / MIC port on your master keyboard? (as long as you use a patch set at 0 volume so it doesn't interfere?)
Can I use another reface model as a master controller ?
Yep, just connect using a MIDI lead.
Can you out two refaces connected to one keyboard?
With a MIDI Thru box you can. They'd both play at the same thing at the same time unless your keyboard lets you set a split and you set the Refaces to different channels.
Anyone know if you can control the Leslie speed with a foot pedal?
According to the documentation, the Yamaha reface YC only has an expression pedal input and the pedal can only be used to control the volume.
Workaround: you can also control the rotary speed via MIDI. This requires a more seriously programmable MIDI controller, because you need to send (hexadecimal) "Bc 13 dd" messages, where
c: the MIDI channel (0..F),
dd: status of the rotary (00..20 = Off, 21..40 = Stop, 41..5F = Slow, 60..7F = Fast).
@@kiskadar69 thanks for the reply!
grandeee
How on earth do you connect the Reface CP in a chain of instruments via MID cables. Everytime i play sounds internal in Ableton, or other external synths i hear the Reface CP toghether with a selected instruments because its so stupid and receving ALL midi data even if i just want the Reface to be on one MIDI channel, number one as a example. Is there no simple way to just tell the machine "-keep your self to MIDI channel one and shut up if i go, say, MIDI channel 7?
My thoughts exactly. Surprised that this wasn't mentioned at all in this 4 plus minute clip. Did you find a work around? I looked in the manual and saw that you can use CC#124 from a sequencer to disable OMNI receive mode, but I found no way to set the MIDI channel. I think it will default to channel 1.
@@StevenSclafani It requiers special software for Ableton wich i dont intend to pay for, and not every sequrencer software can even send the needed uniqe message, and you will need to do it everytime you turn the machine on. So did i find a solution? Yes, im selling it shortly and will never look at Yamaha again 🙄🙂
@@nakazul1 Thanks for your reply. What were the Yamaha designers thinking when they programmed it to receive MIDI on all channels? As if it's 1984 and this is the only piece of MIDI gear in your setup. Luckily my sequencer (Squarp Pyramid) shouldn't have any issue sending the CC#124 to turn OMNI off and then I'll just use MIDI channel 1 which I suspect is the CP's default. You're correct though, whenever I turn the unit on I think I have to remember to send CC#124 otherwise it'll be a MIDI sequencing cacophony with all channels receiving note on messages. Perhaps there will be a simple software update and then you won't have to hate on Yamaha so much.
How to connect to a mastey keyboard with only usb port??? ( usb b type port)
승준이 I'm afraid you can't.
why is that? I have the same question
Could you, if you already have a Yamaha P-105 (with 1 midi USB port), connect a Reface DX to use its sounds on the 88 keys?
Not directly. You would have to connect both to a computer running a DAW app or an Akai MPC One or MPC Live or some other USB MIDI host.
Does the master keyboard have to be Yamaha? Can it still connect with say a Roland or other brands?
Hi If Llamas Could Game, this will work with any master keyboard that has MIDI, as it just uses the universal MIDI message data.
Great, thanks!
+If Llamas Could Game
Yes been playing mine on a DX7 for the last year. Its time I started uploading demos.
@@fender1000100 hello man, ive heard people complaining about not reaching same response on midi keyboard (like it is hard to achieve barking sounds with rhodes) did you also had this problem?
Or you just use the built in sounds of the Yamaha MOXF, you get better value with less hassle. Lol. The whole reface series was a counter intuitive move by Yamaha, because those organs pianos and DXs need proper keyboard.
Not at all - it's all about portability today - most music tech is incorporating batteries and mini-speakers now. All you need to do is have one nice master keyboard lying around the place and you're set. The nice thing about the reface line is being able to carry one around with you whilst on holiday or during casual travelling I also think the reface line is a good counter to the Roland Boutique series.
Jeremy Murray-Wakefield or maybe while surfing ?😀
Or you can do THIS and THAT AND still have the portability of the amazing CS.
I personally don't need a full size board. Not everything companies make are meant to cater to one person pr demographic. Get over yourself.
Yotam Cohen that sold like HOTCAKES!!! and in conclusion, The End.
Can this be done using the Roland d50 as the master keyboard?
With the yc, if you had both sets of keys, would it kinda be setup like an actual organ?
2:05 wow, genius
You didn't show how to connect them up. And can you do it with the CS?
Can you work with all 88 keys on your master keyboard at once, or do you only get the 37 keys and you must switch between octaves to work with all 88 keys
You get all 88 keys without having to transpose octaves.
What is the master keyboard being output to?