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  • @mihaivesa7719
    @mihaivesa7719 หลายเดือนก่อน +691

    I am a Romanian Protestant thinking about converting to orthodoxy. Please pray for me. All my family members are Protestants.

    • @mantis8856
      @mantis8856 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      May God help you

    • @Alex462047
      @Alex462047 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      God be with you! Whatever you lose, God will make it up to you, with extra. I left Protestantism for Orthodoxy and lost almost my entire family for over ten years (now we talk, but things have changed completely). It is a hard road, but we must prepare for eternity while still in this life, and the promised rewards make the struggle worth it.

    • @FightingMyPassions
      @FightingMyPassions หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      You’ll fit right in to the Romanian orthodox churches. Beautiful. I met the metropolitan the other night!

    • @Blueray93Romania
      @Blueray93Romania หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Brother, Romanian here. Come home and forgive us Romanian orthos for failing to catechize. We have our faults, but we are part of the Orthodox Church. Protestant dogmas make no sense, there is so much info out there now, look at allk the ortho channels. I can send you links and all. But please come home and, in time, show your brothers and sisters in the protestant communities the beauty of Orthodoxy. As individual Orthos, part of the Church, and as humans, we have errors and faults, but the Church as the Body does not. Wish you the very very very best and I pray you do come home.

    • @Submission2Orthodoxy
      @Submission2Orthodoxy หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      All my family is Protestant too. I left and am joining the Eastern Orthodox Church this year. Glory to God and may God help you☦️

  • @SeraphimWebster
    @SeraphimWebster หลายเดือนก่อน +429

    As a former Protestant of 13 years, followed by a decade of apostasy and now an Orthodox Catechumen; I am very blessed to have this amazing man as my priest. ☦

    • @easytiger35
      @easytiger35 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      so you probably need to find Christ for the first time

    • @SeraphimWebster
      @SeraphimWebster หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@easytiger35 Soon I'll be a part of His Body, the Holy Orthodox Church.

    • @Stolen_entertainment
      @Stolen_entertainment หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@easytiger35Go find him yourself

    • @SohoKnights
      @SohoKnights หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@easytiger35I appreciate you are speaking in ignorance? Why not go to an Orthodox Liturgy and count how many time the name of Jesus is spoken? More times in one liturgy than some churches mention Him in a year! Read more! Seek more! Pray more! And the God and Father of us all will come and dwell in you!

    • @bryanc2262
      @bryanc2262 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@easytiger35Christ finds you.

  • @techgirl1337
    @techgirl1337 หลายเดือนก่อน +189

    I grew up Protestant and spent 43 years in that tradition. This coming Saturday, December 7th, I will be baptized into the Orthodox Church. There are many wonderful Protestant believers, but there is only one church, and it is that which descends from our King and Lord Jesus Christ.

    • @bobbobberson5627
      @bobbobberson5627 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Many years.

    • @kathleenwindasgoodwin9165
      @kathleenwindasgoodwin9165 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Welcome home❤.

    • @medeasamkharadze8989
      @medeasamkharadze8989 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Glory to god!❤

    • @StCausesARuckus
      @StCausesARuckus หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@techgirl1337 Welcome home ☦️

    • @robertnieten7259
      @robertnieten7259 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The church today closest to the church set up by the apostles is the Apostolic Pentecostal church.
      The primary error of the protestant reformers was that they didn't realize that all of Pauls' letters to the churches begin with the greeting,"..to the saints of..".
      In order for them to be already saints, they had to have been saved according to Acts 2:38.

  • @Cooltink101
    @Cooltink101 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    I was raised 7th Day Adventist. I’m interested in Orthodox Christianity. Please pray for me that God will make a way for me to go to an Orthodox Church regularly. May God bless everyone who reads this. Amen.

    • @thomashton6525
      @thomashton6525 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Cooltink101 all you have to do is go, become a catechumen, then get baptized or chrismated

    • @iwantmovies87
      @iwantmovies87 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I understand what a difficult transition that must be for you. Almost every single aspect of 7th Day Adventism sits in tension with Orthodox Christianity. Being a 7th Day Adventist myself, it didn't take me long to find the cerebral approach to spirituality unfulfilling (and that is putting it kindly). My soul has been far more satisfied with the spiritual teachings of the Orthodox Church. May God's presence and peace go with you.

    • @vanthadden5170
      @vanthadden5170 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You're not alone. Many of us have left the heresy of Adventism for the true Church. If you grew up in it like me, it won't be easy. You have to relearn everything. Especially the Sabbath claims. But God willing you'll come home.

  • @perochialjoe
    @perochialjoe หลายเดือนก่อน +320

    My priest has had me reading a lot of church history and from having grown up Protestant I never realized how much of the church's history has been documented. Like most Protestants I used to just assume that there was a massive gap after the gospels and then suddenly Martin Luther- and from speaking to some Protestants now I have a feeling the majority believe Christian history is just guesswork and mythology. After reading from the 1st to the 20th centuries I don't know how anybody could legitimately read even a basic amount of church history and NOT be Orthodox.

    • @MajorMustang1117
      @MajorMustang1117 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Pretty much. It led me out of Lutheranism relatively quick.

    • @VASI_LIKI
      @VASI_LIKI หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      The issue is when people try to tell a protestant about church history they "lalallalala"

    • @MajorMustang1117
      @MajorMustang1117 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@VASI_LIKI sadly, they really need to find it themselves...

    • @VASI_LIKI
      @VASI_LIKI หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@MajorMustang1117 perhaps. Ironically when they become Ortgodox they become the most vocal about preaching

    • @the_watcher_abc
      @the_watcher_abc หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Amen

  • @mrandquist2653
    @mrandquist2653 หลายเดือนก่อน +106

    I am an ex-Mormon who after a decade in the Methodist Church embraced Orthodoxy nearly 15 years ago. Protestants generally look at anyone who suffered death for believing in Christ as a martyr without looking deeply into what early Christianity taught. I can't blame them for not investigating Orthodoxy as many have never heard of Orthodoxy. I encounter this all the time. It becomes incumbent on us to talk about our faith and DISPLAY our faith openly so that people inquire. We have to repeat the words of our Lord, "Come and see" so that our brothers in Christ of the Protestant fold can see that the Christianity of the early Church is alive and well.

    • @liquidh5226
      @liquidh5226 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Been attending protestant churches for nearly 2 decades. I recently - well last year - went to an Orthodox Church. Now catechumen. Protestants just don't want to talk history when you raise the topic.

    • @georgevassalos9666
      @georgevassalos9666 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bravo

    • @georgevassalos9666
      @georgevassalos9666 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glory to Jesus Crist

    • @jaypritchard7122
      @jaypritchard7122 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@liquidh5226true orthodox is premillennial as it predates the church. As a Baptist my response to arrogant orthodox and Catholics that say there is only one church is there is only one Israel.

    • @liquidh5226
      @liquidh5226 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @jaypritchard7122 Don't you realise that the Church is the "true Israel" otherwise why Jewish persons such as Peter and Paul consider themselves Christians or Christ followers.

  • @paulsavage4776
    @paulsavage4776 หลายเดือนก่อน +149

    My girlfriend went to a Protestant Bible college called Cornerstone University. I was looking through her church history class’ syllabus and it literally had the council of Nicaea in lecture one and then jumped 1000 years to late medieval papal corruption in lecture two. I was stunned. I pray that more Protestants come to know God’s work through the historic church as I have 🙏🏼

    • @MatthewFloor
      @MatthewFloor หลายเดือนก่อน

      We call it the dark ages. You wouldn’t have America without Protestants.

    • @ICXCNIKA33
      @ICXCNIKA33 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@MatthewFloor ahh yes the Freemason Protestants so glad for them lol you’re are not cooking with that 💀☦️ without orthodoxy you wouldn’t have your Protestant canon to deviate from

    • @Arcane.runa.
      @Arcane.runa. หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@ICXCNIKA33Do you have any links you could provide about protestant Freemasons???

    • @Nolongeraslave
      @Nolongeraslave หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ICXCNIKA33 I thought it is the Roman Catholics with their noses up there in the air and then Orthodox appeared on scene 😌

    • @acekoala457
      @acekoala457 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Nolongeraslave
      Not like Orthodoxy has any reason to dislike America.
      Not like the American Government gave Protestants free reign to forcibly convert Orthodox Natives in Alaska, or that the American Government has actively participated in the Genocide of Orthodox Christians since the beginning of the 20th Century.
      Yeah no reason at all.

  • @filiusvivam4315
    @filiusvivam4315 หลายเดือนก่อน +66

    I am Catholic. Love my Orthodox brothers.

    • @Saint_John_The_Forerunner
      @Saint_John_The_Forerunner หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Love Christ above all and return to his church. Then we will truly be brothers 😁

    • @Procopius464
      @Procopius464 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      They don't see you as a brother (see previous comment for example).

    • @ryanscaggs1674
      @ryanscaggs1674 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      They don't love you, in fact they think you're going to hell lmao

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@ryanscaggs1674 We love them enough not to lie to them about the truth. Tolerance is not the same thing as love.

    • @aeanderson8491
      @aeanderson8491 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@Procopius464 True. That's the difference between Catholics and the Orthodox. Catholic faith is universal; Orthodox faith is tribal.

  • @Joshualbatross
    @Joshualbatross หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    With a title like that, I'm surprised the comment section is just a friendly chat about the weather!

    • @KevinR820
      @KevinR820 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Give it time. He only posted it 30 minutes before you posted your comment.

    • @mikewilliams6025
      @mikewilliams6025 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      These are examples of bogus historiography. So the title isn't wrong. I hope he makes one about bogus orthodox historiographies too.

    • @Durnyful
      @Durnyful หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

    • @willyb7353
      @willyb7353 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mikewilliams6025
      Yep, need to point it all out.

    • @ieshjust16
      @ieshjust16 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      💯

  • @Christisking1911
    @Christisking1911 หลายเดือนก่อน +118

    I knew father had a weakness 😂 he gets cold in the 60’s. That made me laugh out loud, because it was 16 degrees this morning in Missouri. I do miss the California weather, and God bless you father for all you do. It is truly appreciated by so many!
    Ps. I wore my beanie in the 60’s as well when I lived there.

    • @jameschebahtah
      @jameschebahtah หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      There is just something different about 50-60 in SoCal that makes it feel much colder than it should feel!😂

    • @saenzperspectives
      @saenzperspectives หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      From California here. I’m a big baby in the cold. lol. It may be an overall weakness of those raised in California. 🤣

    • @aml_5797
      @aml_5797 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm in CA, its in the 60s right now, and dropping into the mid-forties at night. I haven't even bothered to turn on my heat yet. Though to be fair to Father, I was born and raised in Alaska. 16 is legit nippy.

    • @jajohnson7809
      @jajohnson7809 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love Father, but SMH. Here in Minnesota, it will get well below zero before we see springtime.

    • @TW_LeftyGolf
      @TW_LeftyGolf หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ve lived in SoCal my whole life and I know 60’s doesnt sound cold but I think it’s the air itself, we get some wet northern air that comes off the ocean here in the winter and it feels a lot colder than dry cold air, if that makes any sense at all. My uncle lives in Big Bear where it’s much colder in the winter but when he comes down the mountain to stay he feels colder by the beach than up on the mountain. Idk, could be folklore but I do feel like it’s extra cold with the wet air off the ocean as opposed to a dry cold air. I think the heavy moisture dampens the skin and the wind chill magnifies the cold “feel”. Does this sound like bogus “cold air” historiography?

  • @jarrakis4834
    @jarrakis4834 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I never thought about these things as a Protestant. I was so ignorant. Thank you for this.

  • @steadydividends571
    @steadydividends571 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    I read st Athanasius and realized there is no way he would be allowed to be the pastor at my Protestant church. Read more church fathers specifically Ignatius of Antioch and Cyril of Jerusalem’s catechism and realized simply put: Protestantism is a man made religion which sincerely try’s to be christs church but ultimately is not. It is impossible for a Protestant to find a church to attend in the first millennium and it’s a huge problem. I can’t accept Protestantism’s truth claims from looking at church history

    • @zacharyevans8152
      @zacharyevans8152 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Good morning! Out of curiosity what in Ignatius' letters indicates that "Protestantism" is false? And what, to you, is "Protestantism"? You think the Roman Catholics charging of indulgences was justified? You do understand the schism of the church happened about 300 years before Luther penned his grievances? I do not understand these videos trying to convert prots to EO/RCC or RCC to EO and vice versa. It's almost like you don't think we're all Christians or something...

    • @Gaizaz
      @Gaizaz หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@zacharyevans8152 Idk never read the letters. Personally I left Protestantism due to how watered down and neutered it is.

    • @campomambo
      @campomambo หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@zacharyevans8152 what makes a person a Christian? Is it not being a part of Christ’s church? If you are not a member of His church, in what sense are you a Christian? Many people claim to be Christian that most Protestants would deny that they qualify. If all you mean by Christian is that the person believes in Jesus, well that includes a lot of heretics. What Jesus do you believe in? Somebody who denies the divinity or humanity of Jesus but still believes he died for their sins shouldn’t be counted as a Christian, in my book and many others as well. So if believing in Jesus isn’t a good standard for what makes a person a Christian, would you say it is believing in the Bible? Well, which canon of the Bible do you use? If somebody uses a different canon, then you could say they don’t believe in the same Bible as you. Meaning, they shouldn’t qualify as Christian. But even if you believe in the same Bible, you still run into the same problem with heretics also using the same scriptures as you do. So is it a list of basic doctrines that you have to accept? Who makes the list of essential doctrines be essential? The only list that anyone seems to accept as being universal is the Nicene Creed. But if you accept that as the standard, Protestants run into many issues with being able to affirm it. For example, the statements regarding the one holy Catholic and apostolic church or baptism for the remission of sins. Not only that, but by accepting the creed, you inherently must accept the authority of those who produced it and made it binding on the conscience of all Christians . All of those men would reject Protestants as being able to affirm the creed. The only standard that seems to be consistent in all cases and in line with the scriptures is that you are a member of Christ’s church. Why should an orthodox Christian acknowledge a church that has existed for not even a century and teaches doctrines that were invented in the last couple centuries as being just as validly the church as the Orthodox Church, which has kept and preserved without change all the teachings of the apostles and their successors from the beginning?
      This is not to be inflammatory. I was raised evangelical. I know the sincerity and love for Jesus that Protestants have. I’m not denying that. But there has to be some standard for who is and isn’t a Christian. The only standards that I can find that consistently prevent non-trinitarian heretics and numerous cults from qualifying as Christians also rule out Protestants. Can you come up with a consistent and objective standard for who counts as a Christian that includes Protestants along with the traditional apostolic branches of Christianity?

    • @zacharyevans8152
      @zacharyevans8152 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@Gaizaz Not sure what you mean by that. Nothing watered down or neutered about following Christ. I for one cannot prescribe myself to a belief in the veneration of icons and relics or prayers to anyone besides God Himself. I certainly won't bow to that man-made imagery.
      If you listen to the Life of St Anthony and his demonic tribulations, he defeated them with only prayer. No rosary, scapular, icons, or trinkets. None of this stuff is required for "fullness of faith" in any of the church fathers I have read so far but I am willing to learn and submit to truth with an open mind.

    • @steadydividends571
      @steadydividends571 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @zacharyevans8152 when he said do nothing without the bishop and where the bishop, there is the church. He also said don’t associate with those who don’t believe the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Christ in his letter to the Smyrneans. From reading his letter it seems at a minimum he thought if you didn’t believe that you weren’t in the church Christ founded.
      Plus in st Cyril’s catechism he says same thing about Eucharist and he also says you don’t received the Holy Spirit unless you are Christmated with Chrism oil) and Baptism actually does something , baptismal regeneration. Cyril was affirmed as bishop of Jerusalem as part of the second ecumenical council..which means the bishops of the universal church agreed with him.
      Knowing this eliminated 90% of Protestants except maybe high church anglicans. But I can’t imagine being an Anglican when their church was founded so a guy could bang his mistress and they have skittles affirming bishops. So it really comes down to making a choice between EO and RC. I chose EO

  • @Olgaleigh
    @Olgaleigh หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A few years ago, my husband went to a reformed seminary in California and it was in the early Church history class that he started asking some of these questions and as he puts it, God tore down his castle and we left seminary feeling so empty, our friends who had become Orthodox a few years previous just kept praying for us And overtime God led us to orthodoxy and now I look back and wonder how incomplete protestantism was and I am so thankful for the feast of orthodoxy.

  • @PaulR92
    @PaulR92 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    None of the reformers claim the lights went out and the whole church went into apostasy. The clue is in the word reform. It was never a restorationist movement, it was a movement to reform the church. Of course, later Protestants may say this, but that does not reflect the teachings of Calvin and Luther.

    • @SinkingStarship
      @SinkingStarship หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      But it still applies to most of the listeners because most serious western Christians who actually believe the Bible is true and hold to what would be considered traditional Christian beliefs, are not Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians or what have you. Those denominations are heavily liberalized with only small conservative sects remaining.
      Most of them are Evangelicals. Evangelicalism is basically Baptist With The Serial Numbers Filed Off, and some dashes of Pentecostalism or Calvinism tossed in there. And Baptist mythology typically does hold to the "blackout" narrative. In other words, many if not most Evangelicals assume something along the lines of a Blackout/Great Apostasy, so the point still stands.

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@PaulR92 Lots of Protestants in fact do adhere to the "great apostasy" teaching.

    • @theassentpodcast
      @theassentpodcast หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It seems the point still stands. Why would the Church need to be "reformed" unless Jesus was lying to Peter?

    • @PaulR92
      @PaulR92 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Jesus didn't lie to Peter. The church didn't die. You can't reform something that is dead. That was my whole point, the early reformers didn't hold to blackout theory.

    • @PaulR92
      @PaulR92 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I agree with you, but lots do not, and the early reformers certainly didn't, hence my comment

  • @Chris_theHoosier
    @Chris_theHoosier หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    The introduction was quite charming, Father. Indiana was 21 degrees this morning, and Thursday will be 15 degrees with windchills up to -12! Pray for ours who need shelter.

    • @Gaizaz
      @Gaizaz หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Oh yeah, im in New Castle, was freezing today! Greetings fellow Hoosier lol

    • @ericboyd74
      @ericboyd74 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fellow Hoosier living in Southern California now, not too far from father Josiah’s parish, God bless ☦️

    • @Chris_theHoosier
      @Chris_theHoosier หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey Hoosiers!!

    • @Gaizaz
      @Gaizaz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Chris_theHoosier I attend St John the Forerunner in Indy! Have you visited?

    • @Chris_theHoosier
      @Chris_theHoosier หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Gaizaz Unfortunately no, this journey to Orthodoxy has been a recent event to me. I have never heard of it till about 3 months ago when I started seeing problems with my Baptist history and ideology. I am a young man and I still live with my parents so until I move out I feel obligated to follow their rules and respect their traditions. It is unfortunate I cannot convert just yet, but my fervor for learning about Christ and the Church has never been stronger. I have given up practically all political podcasts in favor of Fr. Trenham, Seraphim Hamilton, Orthodox study material, and debates surrounding the faith.

  • @lisahooper7578
    @lisahooper7578 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Protestant here ;-) I am learning so much from your channel. Thank you so much I really appreciate it. God bless you.

  • @APPR.
    @APPR. หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    I’ve just found orthodoxy after being Protestant all my life and right now I’m fighting with years upon years of “wrong” thinking and I struggle daily. Definitely buying the rock and sand book.

    • @Alex462047
      @Alex462047 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, it really is a struggle to break out of that framework.

    • @carolinetrace894
      @carolinetrace894 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Have you read Thomas Boston's Human Nature in its Fourfold State? No ancient or modern Catholic or Orthodox could have written such a work. Don't be shallow regarding Protestantism. Go to the Reformers, go to the Puritans.

    • @hakooplayplay3212
      @hakooplayplay3212 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@carolinetrace894why does he need reformers, when he needs original apostolic faith

    • @carolinetrace894
      @carolinetrace894 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @hakooplayplay3212 You apparently don't even know what faith is.

    • @hakooplayplay3212
      @hakooplayplay3212 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@carolinetrace894 oh, sure 😁

  • @MrRaposaum
    @MrRaposaum หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was a Protestant for 12 years. To start believing in Jesus did save me, but I wanted to walk with Him in life, I wanted to be better for the people in my life and other people around me. I was also addicted to sin and I struggled with it in those 12 years. After I converted to Orthodoxy, in the span of 4 months, I've became more disciplined, more pious and I finally started moving things in my life. I needed the doctrine that comes with Orthodoxy and I will be needing it for my whole life because I'm still ways to go.
    My conclusion is that people can find God in any denomination, but walking in the path of Christ is hard and it requires a lot of patience, self-diligence and wisdom. Some (very rare) people can do it with faith and the word of God (the Bible) alone, but I'm among those who can't and I thank the Orthodox priests and community and of those who came before them for keeping tradition alive and unaltered.

    • @notsureyou
      @notsureyou 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sounds like you should have been attending a Bible believing Church (in word as well as deeds).
      Not making an argument for Orthodox or Catholic or Protestant churches,
      For there are many weak churches and many denominations pointing people down the wrong path.

    • @EpistemicAnthony
      @EpistemicAnthony 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@notsureyouevery church thinks they are a Bible-believing church. That's because individuals can sincerely attempt to interpret scripture and still end up at the wrong conclusion. Scripture never states that individual people will be guided in their interpretations.

    • @notsureyou
      @notsureyou 18 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@EpistemicAnthony I both agree and disagree with your comment,
      Many Churches both PC and CC sadly like to have ideologies based on pushing an agenda, instead of submitting to Christ,
      And so base their "Scriptural interpretation" and trying to make Scripture fit those agendas
      They don't seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and quite often try to silence the Holy Spirit.
      I would say that the vast majority of Scripture is straight forward, and doesn't require a theological degree to understand,
      Comprehending Biblical truths, can be hard at times, for those not used to the concept (for example having faith in what Jesus did on the cross to fully wash us clean of our sins)
      The part of your comment that I disagree with is that,
      Those who earnestly seek the Holy Spirit's guidance will be guided by the Holy Spirit,
      Either in direct revelation of the Scriptures, or in finding an answer to their questions (for example being in contact with people who can answer their questions).

  • @georgekouremenos596
    @georgekouremenos596 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I am a Greek orthodox, and i just wish we had more priests like you here in Greece. I learned more from you about theology that from 52 years an orthodox.

    • @tinakarras7571
      @tinakarras7571 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Διαβασε το Ιερό Ευαγγέλιο και θα μάθεις πολλές αλήθειες που δεν τις μελετανε.

    • @georgekouremenos596
      @georgekouremenos596 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @tinakarras7571 ευχαριστώ για την απάντηση! Βέβαια μίλησα και για το ότι ο συγκεκριμένος είναι θετικός άνθρωπος και τα λέει ωραία...

    • @southj89
      @southj89 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You have Mount Athos near by? I can personally attest that many holy people dwell there

    • @sti4493
      @sti4493 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ναι, ο πάτερ Josiah είναι όντως τρομερός

  • @peterkyriopoulos2684
    @peterkyriopoulos2684 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I grew up Orthodox. I never heard the gospel until I heard it clearly from a preacher. Thank God I'm saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ my saviour. Ephesians 2:8-9. 1 John 5:13. Titus 2:5.

    • @EpistemicAnthony
      @EpistemicAnthony 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      There are many gospels, friend. You have come to believe one interpretation of those verses that was invented a few centuries ago.

  • @My2bits-wp7ig
    @My2bits-wp7ig หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was raised in the Episcopal (Anglican) Church, later attended Assembly of God, Calvary Chapel, Presbyterian and Lutheran Churches, then became Roman Catholic, and in 2020 I was Chrismated into Eastern Orthodoxy.

    • @ERIK..70-A.D.
      @ERIK..70-A.D. 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ---- So what's next ? Mormonism ?

  • @way2tehdawn
    @way2tehdawn หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    My Pentecostal church just glosses over the whole issue, when I broached the issue with leadership the answer I was given was basically after the death of John to reformation day the church was in error. In addition to this the church was in error from reformation day to the Bethel Bible college revelations of 1898. When I asked “why did God allow the church to be in error for so long with no faithful witness?” They said it was there but people ignored it. So yeah that’s the quality of thinking I’m entitled to.

    • @NavelOrangeGazer
      @NavelOrangeGazer หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Only to reformation day is pretty arbitrary when no 1500s protestant resembles Pentecostalism whatsoever.

    • @christianorthodoxy4769
      @christianorthodoxy4769 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why are you still... Penny•cost=all" 🔥😝💥

  • @johnvanderschuit
    @johnvanderschuit หลายเดือนก่อน +108

    lol 62 degrees

    • @mhrf90
      @mhrf90 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I lived in OKlahoma for 7 years. I kid you not, and I know this sounds ridiculous but, 60 in LA feels like 45 in OKC! I suspect it's because of the difference in humidity (it's dry here) and because even in winter, even if its in the 50s, it's usually still partially sunny which you'd think would make you feel warmer, and it does, but only as the sun hits you directly. The constant switch between sun touching your skin vs sun hiding behind a cloud or walking into a cold building and walking out, I suspect doesn't allow us to fully acclimate to the ""cold".

    • @Slod_De_Squatchmosis
      @Slod_De_Squatchmosis หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's because the inland empire in California is sweltering during the day so as your body wants to adapt but then it will egress literally 30 or 40'ish degrees at night and before dawn and the logistics of constantly gaining and losing layers of clothes is baggage

    • @areyoutheregoditsmedave
      @areyoutheregoditsmedave หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      *laughing in minnesotan

    • @neufeldethan
      @neufeldethan หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@areyoutheregoditsmedave *also laughing in Canadian*

    • @macarious5662
      @macarious5662 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Laughs in Canadian indeed. 62F = 18C which is a perfect day with cloud or sun.

  • @starlightHT
    @starlightHT 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Let's pray that the Church becomes one again and ends as quickly as possible the division that has lasted for almost 1000 years. The Catholic Church needs the Orthodox Church and the Orthodox needs the Catholic. They should never have separated

  • @overlandkltolondon
    @overlandkltolondon หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I studied theology at a liberal protestant divinity school (New College, Edinburgh). It was my study of the Cappadocian Fathers that converted me to Orthodoxy. (Long story short!)

    • @kingdomkid7225
      @kingdomkid7225 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Care to share the literature? I’m compiling a list from all the comments alone! ☦️🙏

  • @theassentpodcast
    @theassentpodcast หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    St. Athanasius convinced me of Orthodoxy. Reading him up end my life, Glory to God.

    • @Life-xg9pf
      @Life-xg9pf หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did he convinced you of your sins and that you have to accept Jesus as your Savior and be born again?

    • @theassentpodcast
      @theassentpodcast หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Life-xg9pf, in part. The importance of Orthodoxy, or right belief. (I.E. not believing in lies of the modern religious manipulators.) The people that use "salvation" as a tool of manipulation. Now, part of that is sin and Jesus, but seeing our sin is an ongoing process. The once saved always saved pridefulness is a sin many in Protestant ideology ignore. Orthodoxy is helping me understand sin, Christ, and salvation more holistically.

    • @Life-xg9pf
      @Life-xg9pf หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theassentpodcast Do you realize that in your initial post you didn't mentioned God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit...but a human being? You mentioned a human being and a religion. That's the falsity of Catholic and Orthodox churches. Wake up.

    • @theassentpodcast
      @theassentpodcast หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Life-xg9pf, uh, Christian's believe Jesus was a human being. Christian's believe Jesus indwells human beings with the His Holy Spirit. Christian's see Christ in other human beings. This is the truth of Christianity, something that touches the world in a real way here and now. May God's grace lead you to faith in Jesus Christ, friend.

    • @BrianGondo
      @BrianGondo หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Life-xg9pf you making a false distinction. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit uses people and the church. Did God personally minister to you for your conversion? And by your logic the great commission would be redundant

  • @KH-vp4ni
    @KH-vp4ni หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I'm catholic and hope our churches reconcile one day bc I struggle to know which one is the one.

    • @akanvirta
      @akanvirta หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The hope will always be that there is reconciliation. But if one studies why that has not happened.
      They will undoubtedly understand that the Orthodox have their heads on right and their eyes on Christ alone.

    • @ZorbazShackleford
      @ZorbazShackleford หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Catholic church has several dogmatic contradictions, and the filioque is prima facia absurd when you understand the monarchical trinity

    • @southj89
      @southj89 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don’t understand how anyone can look into church history and not be orthodox. Everyone acts like cath v ortho is super difficult when it just isn’t. RCism hinges on Vatican 1, which is obviously not how the early church functioned. The mental gymnastics involved is just crazy. I understand it being tough when you love your country and the Catholic Church is entrenched in it, but the arguments are just bad

    • @mikesteele9431
      @mikesteele9431 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’m a Protestant. I pray for a reformation in the Roman church as well as the eastern church

    • @tylermarkley4807
      @tylermarkley4807 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The easiest argument is simple; Christ wanted a strong unified church to combat the devil in his abscence. Ask yourself, if it was the Orthodox church would it be an overwhelming minority? There are less than 300 million Orthodox in the world. There are over 1.2 billion Catholics in the world. The Catholic church has been the primary Christian institution throughout all of history. Who without its headship a huge chunk of the Orthodox countries would have certainly fallen to Islam. If God did not desire the Catholic church to be HIS church than why would he allow the Catholic church to be exclusively dominant? Unfortunately, Orthodox fall into a similar hole as the protestant revolutionaries. It is a simple story of God's will being obvious and absolute. This is before we get into the issues the Orthodox face, such as not having a cohesive teaching on baptism for former protestants or Catholics. Or Orthodox churches allowing up to three divorces for someone who has been married. The Orthodox church does not even have the unity to hold an Ecumenical council to solve this and other issues. A great book to read on the subject is Answering Orthodoxy by Michael Loften. Someone whom himself was going to leave the Catholic Church for Orthodoxy.
      With that being said, the Orthodox church is in my opinion one of only two legitimate options for authentic Christianity. With the primary being Catholicism. We share so much of our faith, from the sacraments to our historicity. Countless shared Martyrs and fathers alike. Christ's beauty can truly be found in both. I wish for a true unity. Or at least a mutual respect. Which is why the Catholic church has been working more recently towards ecumenism. However, many Orthodox are more interested in the trappings of being separatists, than unifying against the devil.

  • @LuigiCG
    @LuigiCG หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Even Islam is like that. In fact, Islam and Protestantism share a lot in common. Of course, Islam is thought to be a completely different thing now, but probably at its origins, it resembled Protestantism quite a lot.
    John of Damascus observed in the 8th century that Islam was not a new religion but a Christian heresy, a distorted version of Christianity. He believed that Muhammad was influenced by a priest who adhered to Arian doctrine, which denied the full divinity of Christ. John of Damascus thought that Islam was more closely related to internal theological disputes within Christianity but eventually became a movement deeply tied to political interests and the consolidation of power by the Arab caliphates.
    Islam and Protestantism arose in contexts where political and religious issues were deeply intertwined. Islam helped sustain the Arab Caliphate, consolidating a political empire, while Protestantism empowered Protestant princes and monarchs to act without interference from the Church, allowing these rulers to determine their own religious and political practices.
    Both movements spread to various countries and regions, and in many cases, helped justify and strengthen political regimes. Islam did so with the Arab Caliphates, and Protestantism with the principalities seeking autonomy. Moreover, both movements employ theological acrobatics to justify their false positions.
    Islam distorts Christian theology to deny the divinity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity, while Protestantism selectively interprets Scripture to reject the authority of the Church and its sacraments, molding their beliefs to align with political agendas rather than divine truth.

    • @Life-xg9pf
      @Life-xg9pf หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh, please. How much you must hate millions of devoted Christ followers (Protestants). Maybe because your churches are almost empty? So odd for a "Christian" to hate other Christians of different denominations. Are you involved in any work for God's kingdom? It's time you abandon your attack on Christians of different denominations. So weird. Repent.

    • @bobbobberson5627
      @bobbobberson5627 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Life-xg9pfthat’s you ma’am

    • @Life-xg9pf
      @Life-xg9pf หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bobbobberson5627 Calm down.

    • @bgorg1
      @bgorg1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Many use history, historical documents, scripture, and empiricism to push back against claims of authority., particularly the structure of authority. To group church denominations under the term Protestant, as if they are universal, is wrong. I belong to a 7 sacrament church that has an episcopal nature and a strong catechesis. We read the ancient creed that does not contain the Filioque during worship. But lumped in as Protestant.

    • @LuigiCG
      @LuigiCG หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bgorg1 I agree, “protestant” does not means universal. Catholic does.

  • @ericleahy6882
    @ericleahy6882 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I’m a Catholic - thank you for this video. Well done.

  • @joehelsley8321
    @joehelsley8321 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I consider it a very powerful argument & witness to the truth that 90% + of all the conversions of pastors from Protestantism to Orthodoxy I've read & listened to stated that it was due to reading the early Church fathers, as it was for me as well.

  • @leannewheeler5351
    @leannewheeler5351 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    As a reluctant protestant, it's extremely unsettling to hear someone mention Protestants, Mormons and JWs all grouped together.

    • @debrayoung531
      @debrayoung531 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      agree. raised RC. school n all. Born again. Evangelical. .. kinda teformed by the writings of old dead guys. discouraged by. mega churches or influence on normal size churches that tryed to go w rick warren. .. followed Arnold Frughtenbaum. another cold non dom. covid. break looking into EO. but still do online with the Superior Word. .. went to EO. liked it. Paster cold. One guy came up after service and asked if I was protestant with a condensendi g to e. .. u believable 😂. so ai said. no. but a believer n follower of Jesus the Creator of all things. . So weird. .

  • @jfkmuldermedia
    @jfkmuldermedia หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I am a Protestant and thank God whole heartedly for one of my heroes of the faith St. Athanasius for fighting for the deity of Christ at the Council of Nicea against the teachings of Arius. We confess the Nicean Creed in our liturgy as a summary of what we believe as Protestants.

  • @SarayEcheverri-w9w
    @SarayEcheverri-w9w หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    I did a year of Bible Studies. They will mentioned some fathers of the church but implying like there were protestant somehow. They will never encourage us to read much about them.

    • @tinakarras7571
      @tinakarras7571 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Greek Orthodox will never give you a Bible, or even tell you to read it.

    • @amyyiannikouros8116
      @amyyiannikouros8116 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@tinakarras7571wrong! We have the Orthodox Study Bible (everyone I know has one on their shelf)- which uses the correct and most authentic Old Testament- The Septuagint (translated into Greek before the time of Christ and before anti- Christian Jews could edit their texts to try and hide the fore-coming of Christ).

    • @douganceK
      @douganceK หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @tinakarras7571 It's weird how i've got an Orthodox Study Bible, with daily readings in the lectionary then. Don't lie, I read that in my OSB too. We just don't import non patristic exegesis into the text.

    • @ChurchHistory-ri8rb
      @ChurchHistory-ri8rb หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where at?

    • @thomasenderson893
      @thomasenderson893 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@tinakarras7571 I do not think Christ intends for you to evangelize to others by telling lies about other Christians.

  • @Sc-ld7os
    @Sc-ld7os 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As a traditional catholic I want to thank the Orthodox Church for convincing the pope to not cancel the Tridentine rite mass 🙏🏼

  • @rachelarmstrong807
    @rachelarmstrong807 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Thank you! I am trying to educate my children in Church history as an Orthodox Christian. My education failed me so much that I had no idea the Orthodox Church existed until after I graduated from college! I learned something about the East-West schism, and that was the end of it!

  • @TheDriveIn.
    @TheDriveIn. หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I politely drop this point from time to time, as someone planted in a protestant church and family. Whenever someone criticizes jewish, orthodox or catholic.. I point out that the first christians were jewish, and the foundation of our faith is jewish, and the first christian church was the orthodox church, sooo... Even if we dont have many orthodox churches in america, especially in our rural areas where i grew up, the least we can do is undrrstand eachother and try to reclaim what weve list through separation and estrangement. Doesnt mean we all have to uproot and move to find an orhtjodox church, but we do need to understand our roots and recover the important things weve forgotten. Doesn't matter what label is on our church door. What matters is that we're re-connected with the authentic faith of the first Christians and that we all understand what's essential to the body of Christ as a whole and that we can all strive for that holiness and see ourselves as a whole body of Christ, even if we can't all be born and raised in the same Church building.

    • @kingdomkid7225
      @kingdomkid7225 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This idea of “essential and non essential” is a Protestant innovation. I constantly heard this during my time as a Protestant. I think it’s a way of not dealing with uncomfortable truths .
      My husband would say this to me often regarding reconciling my faith EO with his Baptist.
      Glory to God he’s now a catechumen

  • @troyhavok8605
    @troyhavok8605 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    14:33 - They do the same thing with the Holy Scripture. The reason I didn't stay long in a protestant tradition when I was looking for Christ's Church is because I read the Gospel before I went and it very quickly became apparent that they were leaving out a great deal in order to adhere to their doctrine. I quickly came to the conclusion that the Baptist church I visited, at least, was preaching a different Jesus than the one I had met through the Gospel and St Paul.

  • @christinechancy6468
    @christinechancy6468 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is Wonderful! So happy to share this with our protestant friends! Thank you Father. ☦️🙏🏼

  • @Wink81
    @Wink81 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I hear you say heresy a lot when speaking about protestants, can you explain what is meant by heresy? Are they cut from eternity? I think this deserves a full video. Are there Christians in other trinitarian faiths?

  • @szfehler
    @szfehler หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I've been homeschooling since 2000 or so. Was Baptized Orthodox in 2020. Now looking at history sources for my last of eight children, and realizing some of them have outright lies about the Orthodox church.

  • @MBFModernHomesteading
    @MBFModernHomesteading หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Really enjoyed this video; It is so obvious when listening to otherwise smart men attempt to teach church history from a protestant perspective that there are holes (large ones) all throughout their presentations.

  • @rhwinner
    @rhwinner หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    When your historical lens has a depth of field of 500 years, you tend to get a distorted view of the past....

    • @MatthewFloor
      @MatthewFloor หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Are you a child of God through adoption? That’s the only thing that counts. Traditions will do nothing for you. Read your Bible

    • @joehouston2833
      @joehouston2833 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MatthewFloor
      Protestantism is not Christianity

    • @WhiskyRidge
      @WhiskyRidge หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@MatthewFloor Then what? What do you do after the adoption? Are the oral Traditions not mentioned in the Bible, the life, faith, and practice established and passed down by the Apostles in the first 300 years before the Bible was even codified of the Early Church and what it says about that adoption to be ignored? The Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth - that's in the Bible.

    • @stevied3400
      @stevied3400 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@MatthewFloor the Bible disagrees with you regarding traditions.

    • @rhwinner
      @rhwinner หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MatthewFloor Hi. Christianity is more than a relationship between you and God. It is a relationship between you and brothers and sisters in Christ. You have responsibilities toward them too, as they have toward you. Come back home. We love you. We are the Church.

  • @HOME-rl9gi
    @HOME-rl9gi 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    As a Reformed Christian, I am deeply critical of the historical narrative-or often the lack thereof-surrounding Protestant doctrines, which seem to shift depending on the author, pastor, church, or local disputes. It’s shameful and makes me feel like a Protestant who rejects Protestantism while living inside the Protestant church. I hold to the belief that Christianity, though imperfect, has never been a parentheses in history. Christians are part of the historical and mystical body of Christ, and I embrace doctrines rooted in Scripture and history, such as the real presence of Christ in the bread and wine. However, I cannot accept practices like praying to Mary, venerating her as co-redemptrix, or asking her to "save me." Nor can I embrace kissing relics or engaging with man-made traditions that elevate the servants of Christ beyond what Scripture allows. I often read Orthodox resources to learn about saints and trustworthy extra-biblical histories that many evangelicals dismiss with arrogance. Yet, while I find value in these traditions, I also believe that both the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches have departed from the original, sacred deposit of faith entrusted to the Church.
    I love Orthodoxy. I feel drawn to theosis, to its solid historical continuity, to the value it brings in preserving and sharing encouraging stories of the saints throughout history, and to the fact that Orthodox priests are married shepherds, as pastors and bishops are supposed to be, according to the Bible and apostolic teaching. But once again, I sadly believe that just as the Corinthians added doctrines as soon as St. Paul left their city, the Orthodox Church (which I view as the true historic Church, rather than the Latin Church) added new doctrines as soon as Christ, the Husband, ascended from this earth.

    • @TheB1nary
      @TheB1nary 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This is exactly where I am right now. Agree with everything you just said. I once heard an Orthodox Priest state that we need to learn to trust the saints of the church. Perhaps you and I are not yet at that point, because if we were, then the additional things you mention that are taught within an EO context, wouldn’t be so tough to accept and follow. Greetings from the UK!

    • @lordbayne7918
      @lordbayne7918 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Eloquently stated my brother. I'm with you about 98% of the way. We only differ in origin.

    • @EpistemicAnthony
      @EpistemicAnthony 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      But here's the problem: The pillar of Christianity is the idea that Christ guided the Church. That is why we accept Church-established decisions like the canon of scripture. If you can cherry-pick doctrines (ones you have innaccurately described, mind you) then so can I, and that means I can make my own Bible, since the list of books in the Bible is also a doctrine of the Church you say went astray. You are trying to take a middle ground that is impossible to hold or justify.
      Regarding specifically asking mary to save you, you do realize that "save" is not a special word, right? If you are stuck in a burning building, would you not ask a firefighter to save you? "Save" does not only refer to what Christ did on the cross.
      Regarding iconography, you already accept icon veneration. You just don't realize you do it. Are you as willing to use a Bible or a cross as bonfire fuel as you are to use cardboard? If not, then you are either being inconsistent, or you are acknowledging that some objects deserve greater respect than others. That is by definition icon veneration.
      As far as having problems kissing images, we are all ikons of God ("ikon" being the greek word used in Genesis to refer to man being made in the image of God) so every time you kiss another person, you practice the kissing of icons.
      It baffles me how protestantism can claim to be against legalism and to hold faith is a heart issue, but then say things like "bowing is worship, kissing is worship, using the word "save" in any context other than Christ is worship, admiring people who died for the faith is worship" etc. There was even a debate in Puritanism over whether or not making maps was a violation of the 2nd commandment. Totally ridiculous.

  • @Godwinsjc
    @Godwinsjc 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you Father I started attending an Orthodox Church and am leaving a Protestant Church . Thank you for affirming what I have been feeling for awhile . God Bless, my daughter lives in San Clemente perhaps my husband and I can visit your church one day♥️🙏

  • @Petrusanak
    @Petrusanak หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    What is more baffling to me is how the lutherans call their church "the lutheran church" when the original intention of luther was to reform the catholic church.
    They shouldve called it "the reformed catholic church" instead of lutheran church to separate themselves from the roman catholics.

    • @GR-dk5ju
      @GR-dk5ju หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      We would have preferred the term 'Reformed [Catholic Church],' but that label ended up with those who followed Zwingli, Calvin, etc. Originally, 'Lutheran' was a negative term first used by those intending to label us as heretics (ie Papists), similar to how followers and teachers of heresies are named after the original false teacher respectively (Pelagianism/Pelagians after Pelagius; Arianism after Arius ; etc.). The difference, however, is that Martin Luther was not a false teacher but rather a stalwart and commendable defender of the one holy, catholic, and apostolic faith in 16th Century Germany against and despite the abounding ecclesial and doctrinal corruptions emitting from the Bishop of Rome. As German Christians began to read the Scriptures for themselves, many discovered orthodoxy and thus coalesced into this 'Lutheran' movement; as you well know, the term 'Orthodoxy' had also already been claimed as a proper pronoun. For the record, we preferred the term 'Evangelical,' aligning ourselves with the substance or our faith and the sum of our confession: Christ, the Son of God, crucified for the forgiveness of sins.

    • @cheifhog2552
      @cheifhog2552 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GR-dk5ju
      No Luther absolutely was a heretic and his vile works opened the floodgates of complete apostasy in the western world. The principles that are the basis for modernity are Masonic in origin and the Masons were all universally Protestants. Once you no longer need the Church, it’s not a great leap to deny that you need Christ. Which is exactly what happened 200 years after the rebellion in 1517, we got the Lodge of England in 1717.
      I’m tired of people defending the indefensible and commending the heretical. It’s blasphemous. Cease.

    • @savinggift158
      @savinggift158 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s because Jesus established one church .

    • @aaaaaaa7697
      @aaaaaaa7697 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GR-dk5ju the name is rather fitting, in line with arianism and the likes.

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@GR-dk5ju feel free to call yourself orthodox. The Oriental/Syriac/Coptic orthodox all do. The word orthodox doesn't make them the One Church established 2000 years ago though. Just the same as the Romans using the word "catholic" does not actually make them the catholic Church. They separated from the Orthodox One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, the undivided Body of Jesus Christ whom Paul persecuted the same as persecuting Jesus personally.

  • @aw7248
    @aw7248 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The term "retroactive continuity" applies here, viewing the early Church fathers from a 19th/20th/21st century perspective and cherry-picking the parts of their writings that correspond to the currently-held views.

  • @AudrinaOralay
    @AudrinaOralay หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    As a church historian, I approve this message. Very well articulated!

    • @robertnieten7259
      @robertnieten7259 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only church today that aligns with the teachings of the apostles is the Apostolic Pentecostal church.
      The protestant reformers' failed to take note of the fact that all of Pauls' letters begin with the greeting,".. to the saints of.."The only way that they could have been saints before Paul wrote his letters is by following Acts 2:38.

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@robertnieten7259sounds like a translation issue on your end. Even the KJV states the addressed is to "those called to be Saints". This happens a lot with Protestant translations of the Bible, changed to fit their narrative.

    • @jjwurtz
      @jjwurtz หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertnieten7259 As a Catholic and as I learn the difference between the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church, I would have to disagree with you. The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, tracing its apostolic succession back to Peter and the apostles (Matthew 16:18, Acts 1:20-26). Paul’s letters addressed Christians already baptized and incorporated into the Church through faith, repentance, and the sacraments, as seen in Acts 2:38. While Acts 2:38 emphasizes baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit, the fullness of apostolic teaching is preserved in the Catholic Church, which upholds all the sacraments instituted by Christ and the entirety of Scripture and Tradition.

  • @brendonlabouliere4463
    @brendonlabouliere4463 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I recently went to a Catholic funeral. I went up to communion and crossed my hands for a blessing because I worship in Protestant circles currently. I have respect for closed communion. When I received the blessing I felt the Holy Spirit immensely. I don’t know what to make of it. I don’t hold to the memorial view. If anything I’m on Spiritual presence end of the spectrum. Prayers appreciated.

    • @ricdimarco1499
      @ricdimarco1499 หลายเดือนก่อน

      “If today you hear God’s voice, harden not your heart.”
      I teach Catholic OCIA (the classes one takes to join the Catholic Church). I encourage you to listen, study, and reflect. Catholic Answers is an accessible resource for newcomers, David Anders’ show is also quite helpful if you are more “academic.” There’s a good book called “Why We Are Catholic” you can get for cheap, and also I’d encourage you to listen to a talk that goes into much of what the Orthodox Father is saying here called “Four Witnesses Brought Me Home” by a guy named Rod Bennett here on TH-cam.
      God bless you.

  • @BrianJonson
    @BrianJonson หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I was a Calvinist for 25 years. I began regarding about historic Christianity and, Kallistos Wares' "The Orthodox Church", and was intrigued by Eastern Orthodoxy. Because Steve Lawson was someone I respected, I read his "Pillars of Grace" as a last grasp to my reformed theology. Instead of taking him at his word, I looked up the references he made to the early Fathers and found he was either intentionally lying or ignorantly unaware of these men in context. Truly, his book was the one thing that pushed me out of Protestantism to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

  • @theeliteelite1873
    @theeliteelite1873 หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Currently in the process of leaving Protestantism and coming into the Orthodox Church. Reading the Church Fathers it immediately became clear to me that these men were not Protestant in any way. Talk of the Eucharist really being Christ’s flesh and blood. Talk of the importance of Bishops. Talk of not following others into schism. (What even is schism in Protestantism?) That’s when the scales were lifted from my eyes and I started realizing how asinine the Protestant presuppositions I was raised with were. The justification for Protestantism as a whole relies on Christ’s promise of the gates of Hades not prevailing to be a lie. This is why they have to come up with such ridiculous notions like the “invisible church” to overcome that. Thank you for all you do, Father! The content fine folks like you, Father John Whiteford, Jay Dyer, Seraphim Hamilton, and many others put out has been such a help for me.

    • @Naz34452
      @Naz34452 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Schism in protestantism is not following Christ to salvation. Like any denomination.

    • @campomambo
      @campomambo หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Naz34452that’s not what schism is. The word schism means causing a division. Schism is separating from the church and the brethren. This is how it has always been defined by the church, going back to the first century. You will find that the earliest Christians would say that those who were guilty of the sin of schism were not in the church and cut off from salvation. They also said specifically that a person can be in schism while still believing all the right doctrines. So schism was never about belief, it was always about remaining one with the body of Christ. According to the early church, schism was described as a worse sin than heresy. You can find all this written about before the year 300, most of it even before 200 AD.

    • @theeliteelite1873
      @theeliteelite1873 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Naz34452 and how does it get determined that someone is not following Christ to salvation in Protestantism? Does someone denying Baptismal Regeneration mean they're in schism? Does believing in Baptismal Regeneration mean they're in schism? Their view on baptizing babies? Their view on if the elements of Communion are actually Christ's flesh and blood or just a symbol and simply a memorial meal?

    • @saenzperspectives
      @saenzperspectives หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      St. Ignatius of Antioch
      "I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible" (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).
      "Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God…They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).
      St. Justin Martyr
      "We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [i.e., has received baptism] and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" (First Apology 66 [A.D. 151]).
      St. Irenaeus of Lyon
      "If the Lord were from other than the Father, how could he rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be his body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is his blood?" (Against Heresies 4:33-32 [A.D. 189]).
      "He has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life-flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of him?" (ibid., 5:2).
      Saint Clement of Alexandria
      "’Eat my flesh,’ [Jesus] says, ‘and drink my blood.’ The Lord supplies us with these intimate nutrients, he delivers over his flesh and pours out his blood, and nothing is lacking for the growth of his children" (The Instructor of Children 1:6:43:3 [A.D. 191]).
      St. Cyprian of Carthage
      "He [Paul] threatens, moreover, the stubborn and forward, and denounces them, saying, ‘Whosoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily, is guilty of the body and blood of the Lord’ [1 Cor. 11:27]. All these warnings being scorned and contemned-[lapsed Christians will often take Communion] before their sin is expiated, before confession has been made of their crime, before their conscience has been purged by sacrifice and by the hand of the priest, before the offense of an angry and threatening Lord has been appeased, [and so] violence is done to his body and blood; and they sin now against their Lord more with their hand and mouth than when they denied their Lord" (The Lapsed 15-16 [A.D. 251]).
      Aphraahat the Persian Sage
      "After having spoken thus [at the Last Supper], the Lord rose up from the place where he had made the Passover and had given his body as food and his blood as drink, and he went with his disciples to the place where he was to be arrested. But he ate of his own body and drank of his own blood, while he was pondering on the dead. With his own hands the Lord presented his own body to be eaten, and before he was crucified he gave his blood as drink" (Treatises 12:6 [A.D. 340]).
      St. Cyril of Jerusalem
      "The bread and the wine of the Eucharist before the holy invocation of the adorable Trinity were simple bread and wine, but the invocation having been made, the bread becomes the body of Christ and the wine the blood of Christ" (Catechetical Lectures 19:7 [A.D. 350]).
      "Do not, therefore, regard the bread and wine as simply that; for they are, according to the Master’s declaration, the body and blood of Christ. Even though the senses suggest to you the other, let faith make you firm. Do not judge in this matter by taste, but be fully assured by the faith, not doubting that you have been deemed worthy of the body and blood of Christ…[Since you are] fully convinced that the apparent bread is not bread, even though it is sensible to the taste, but the body of Christ, and that the apparent wine is not wine, even though the taste would have it so,…partake of that bread as something spiritual, and put a cheerful face on your soul" (ibid., 22:6, 9).
      St. Gregory of Nyssa:
      “Since it has been shown that in no other way was it possible for our body to become immortal, but by participating in incorruption through its fellowship with that immortal Body, it will be necessary to consider how it was possible that that one Body¸ being for ever portioned to so many myriads of the faithful throughout the whole world, enters, through that portion, whole into each individual, and yet remains whole in itself…, which Body also by the indwelling of God the Word was transmuted to the dignity of Godhead. Rightly, then, do we believe that now also the bread which is consecrated by the Word of God is changed into the Body of God the Word. For that Body was once, by implication, bread, but has been consecrated by the inhabitation of the Word that tabernacle in the flesh. Therefore, form the same cause as that by which the bread that was transformed in that Body was changed to a Divine potency, a similar result takes place now. For as in that case, too, the grace of the Word used to make holy the Body, the substance of which came of the bread, and in a manner was itself bread, so also in this case the bread, as says the Apostle, ‘is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer’; not that it advances by the process of eating to the stage of passing into the body of the Word, but it is at once changed into the body by means of the Word, as the Word itself said, ‘This is my Body.’ …By dispensation of His grace, He disseminates Himself in every believer through that flesh¸ whose substance comes from bread and wine, blending Himself with the bodies of believers, to secure that, by this union with the immortal, man, too, may be a sharer in incorruption. He gives these gifts by virtue of the benediction through which He trans-elements the natural quality of these visible things to that immortal thing.” (The Great Catechism, Ch. 17 [A.D. 385]).
      St. Ambrose of Milan
      "Perhaps you may be saying, ‘I see something else; how can you assure me that I am receiving the body of Christ?’ It but remains for us to prove it. And how many are the examples we might use!…Christ is in that sacrament, because it is the body of Christ" (The Mysteries 9:50, 58 [A.D. 390]).
      St. Augustine of Hippo
      "I promised you [new Christians], who have now been baptized, a sermon in which I would explain the sacrament of the Lord’s Table….That bread which you see on the altar, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the body of Christ. That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the blood of Christ" (Sermons 227 [A.D. 411]).
      "What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that the bread is the body of Christ and the chalice is the blood of Christ. This has been said very briefly, which may perhaps be sufficient for faith; yet faith does not desire instruction" (ibid., 272).
      Council of Ephesus
      "We will necessarily add this also. Proclaiming the death, according to the flesh, of the only-begotten Son of God, that is Jesus Christ, confessing his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension into heaven, we offer the unbloody sacrifice in the churches, and so go on to the mystical thanksgivings, and are sanctified, having received his holy flesh and the precious blood of Christ the Savior of us all. And not as common flesh do we receive it; God forbid: nor as of a man sanctified and associated with the Word according to the unity of worth, or as having a divine indwelling, but as truly the life-giving and very flesh of the Word himself. For he is the life according to his nature as God, and when he became united to his flesh, he made it also to be life-giving" (Session 1, Letter of Cyril to Nestorius [A.D. 431]).

    • @Naz34452
      @Naz34452 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @theeliteelite1873 it means disbelieving that Christ died for your sins. Use scripture.

  • @Ruebengericht
    @Ruebengericht หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I have once attended to a martial arts seminar of a russian systema master. He turned out to be an orthodox christian. After the seminar, we would sit together wit a beer and have a nice conversation, also about religion. His comment on me being an evangelical protestant: The history of protestants is very short ;o)! This statement left me with many questions, and it started my path to orthodoxy...

  • @thewiseandthefoolish
    @thewiseandthefoolish หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Huss wasn’t just disciplined by the church, he was burned at the stake

    • @mikewilliams6025
      @mikewilliams6025 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This is exactly why Huss was a protestant. Luther was just the first they weren't able to kill.

    • @LadyMaria
      @LadyMaria หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      The Orthodox Church aka the Church had nothing to do with any of that.

    • @michaelciccone2194
      @michaelciccone2194 หลายเดือนก่อน

      FRIAR GIROLAMMO SAVORONOLLA was burnt at the stake in 1498......he confronted the corrupt VATICAN

    • @LupinGaius-ls1or
      @LupinGaius-ls1or หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Huss was also a political rebel, being considered a danger to temporal and spiritual authority.

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Thanks for reminding me of the religious practice of burning at the stake, because from reading ancient Church Fathers and Orthodox teachings across the centuries for so much of my recent time, it shocked me to realize that this brutal practice was nowhere to be found and so far away from Orthodox thinking. How different we truly are.

  • @graydomn
    @graydomn หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There isn't an Orthodox Church for almost 100 miles.

  • @drewschinderwolf2683
    @drewschinderwolf2683 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a former reformed Protestant and now a newly minted Catholic I gotta say this is probably one of the biggest hurdles to overcome with our Protestant brothers and sisters. Feels like in order to “evangelize” a Protestant friend to an Apostolic tradition you essentially have to re-teach them all of Christian history, which is both incredibly time consuming and makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist lol. Very much appreciate videos like this cause they save me time and let me jump into the good stuff with friends sooner!

  • @Josephhoward28
    @Josephhoward28 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely killed it with the outro music, Father! Seriously, what a great little upbeat twist to end it on. 😊☦️🎅🏻

  • @juanmorebeers
    @juanmorebeers หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    10:13 St. Athanasuis : “The holy and inspired Scriptures are fully sufficient for the proclamation of the truth.”

    • @JohnGeometresMaximos
      @JohnGeometresMaximos หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      St. Athanasius the Great ca. 293-373 - "You shall see the Levites bringing loaves and a cup of wine, and placing them on the table. So long as the prayers of supplication and entreaties have not been made, there is only bread and wine. But after the great and wonderful prayers have been completed, then the bread is become the Body, and the wine the Blood, of our Lord Jesus Christ. ‘And again:’ Let us approach the celebration of the mysteries. This bread and this wine, so long as the prayers and supplications have not taken place, remain simply what they are. But after the great prayers and holy supplications have been sent forth, the Word comes down into the bread and wine - and thus His Body is confected." (Sermon to the Newly Baptized)

    • @EpistemicAnthony
      @EpistemicAnthony 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      No one disagrees with this. "Sufficient" does not only mean "all that is necessary." It can also mean "of high enough quality to be used for a task."
      Example: Snap-On ratchets are fully sufficient for replacing an engine.
      Snap-On ratchets are not the only thing required, however.

  • @radish45
    @radish45 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I really want to hear an orthodox perspective on Melchizedek

    • @damachinen
      @damachinen หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Pretty sure @jaydyer has some content on that.

    • @MatthewFloor
      @MatthewFloor หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wasn’t it referring to Jesus? He was not a human priest

    • @adonisjryoutubr5025
      @adonisjryoutubr5025 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Check out the work of Seraphim Hamilton. You will find what you are looking for with Melchizidek

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He was a prophetic type of Orthodox Christian priest, appearing to serve Abraham with a type of Eucharist, bread and wine, and furthermore he had the authority to actually bless Abraham, just as our priests bless. Everything in the OT points to Jesus Christ and the fulfillment in His Church.

    • @stevied3400
      @stevied3400 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MatthewFloorbut Jesus is a human priest.

  • @mchristr
    @mchristr หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’ve never assumed a “dead church” between the Apostles and the Reformation. For example, “Church History In Plain Language” by Bruce Shelley is one of my favorites. My working assumption was that God has always had a functioning Church on the Earth despite periods of doctrinal error from Rome. I’m now reading the Church Fathers and anything Orthodox that might provide me with more of Christ.

  • @samcalderwood4079
    @samcalderwood4079 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Im currently a baptist, but i'm leaning heavily into Orthodoxy. I plan to attend my first liturgy hopefully sometime this month. I was wondering if any Orthodox christians in the comments have ny general advice for someone attending their first liturgy

  • @DRiceArizona
    @DRiceArizona หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was born and raised in various Protestant denominations. Everything from Episcopal in the 70s to SDA, various Churches of God, Church of Christ, non-denominational, and most recently LDS.
    I began investigating the Orthodox Church in 2019 after watching Matt Whitman here on TH-cam when he visited an Orthodox church.
    This past September 1st I was finally received into the Church and it was the best thing I ever did.
    My family (mother mostly) does not completely understand as she is still attending one of the "feel good" non-denominationals. I attend a Romanian parish myself, but have been to others and always know I am in the church.
    Personally, I am a bit of a loner and do not like new or unfamiliar situations, especially when I am not with people I know to have that comfort of familiarity.
    However, when I attend services it is just me walking in and me standing alone (other church members obviously) without anyone I knew before becoming Orthodox. I have never felt awkward which I find strange upon self reflection. I think this is because I do feel I was led to where I always belonged. I am never alone because this is where my relationship with Jesus grows the most.
    Do not worry about the family (I know it can be hard). You must follow where you are being led and I pray you find your way.
    A side benefit of becoming Orthodox is I now have a much greater love and respect for our RCC brothers and sisters than when I was a Protestant and some of them were outright hostile to the Catholic Church.
    Prayers for on your journey.
    🙏❤☦

  • @onecor1031
    @onecor1031 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I remember we read “Foundations of Grace,” the first of Lawson’s books, when I was a Calvinist in the mid-2000’s. Well, Lawson has now gone the way of other heterodox pastors, down the road of infidelity. Lord have mercy.

  • @user-vn3uq2lv7x
    @user-vn3uq2lv7x หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your book collection is wonderful, happy your a brother!

  • @swenner64
    @swenner64 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Father great video! Another bogus theory you could have covered is the Protestant theory that Constantine created the Catholic Church. I hear that one alot.

    • @NepticFathers
      @NepticFathers หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's because a lot of proto Protestants thought that the forgery of the donation of Constantine was actually real.

  • @zachofalltrades8714
    @zachofalltrades8714 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    No one will probably see this and I expect it to be rabbit holed but I want to share my thoughts. I am a practicing Missouri Synod Lutheran and I was raised Lutheran. Not once have I heard the theological argument that the Church or Jesus's promises failed right after the death of the apostles. So, this is the first time that it is coming to my radar and I will happily look into it, because I don't know if that exists, at least in Lutheran theology. In regards to protestants trying to associate the Church fathers with protestantism and how that is flawed or that Protestantism comes from their reformer and no other context, I think this historical argument is flawed and misunderstands the context of the late medieval age in Western europe. This is not completely surprising, as eastern orthodoxy was relatively unaffected by the protestant reformation and only recently had begun building ties with the Catholic Church. The core of what protestantism is, or at least Lutheranism, to my understanding is in its name: the word "protest." The Catholic Church, in the late medieval and renaissance periods was corrupt to a peak. In Jan Hus' time, a early reformer that influenced Luther with his writing who hasn't been mentioned here, Cardinals and Bishops were known to own brothels and frequent such establishments. They were not behaving morally. The catholic church had degraded from its earlier founding. Moreover, their sale of indulgences and other excesses, such as usury, which continues to be a problem for the Catholic and many other churches today, made the Catholic Church a corrupt organization that didn't properly teach Christ's teachings and often used corruption to meet selfish goals and ends for their priests. The Hussites, and soon-after the Lutherans were a group formed initially to reform the church from the inside (a la Hus' teachings and his trial in 1415 at Constance) and then turned into a military force to defend themselves from Catholic aggression, and then finally formed their own "protesting" church, as a result of conflict with Catholics. I can't speak for other protestants but that is my understanding of Lutheranism and Hussitism. They were not formed out of some meta narrative about the failure of Churches, as far back as the death of the apostles, but as a result of necessity. We would happily reincorporate with Catholicism if these grievances, particularly in regards to papal infallibility were addressed.

    • @EpistemicAnthony
      @EpistemicAnthony 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Instead of identifying yourself with protesting against a wrong thing, you should instead identify yourself with believing a right thing, which is what the word "Orthodox" means.

  • @danharrell2024
    @danharrell2024 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Its 29 degrees this morning in North Carolina Father. 62 is the perfect temperature! God Bless you Father.

  • @Fred-Phelps
    @Fred-Phelps หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ive been to many Protestant churches with wide and varied beliefs. The last one i went to was one of those terrible evangelical churches that raved about israel all day. The day before i left the were going to bring a rabbi into the church, i left and i never went back. Seriously there is alot of rubbish so called churches out there

  • @DyC-f2f
    @DyC-f2f หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Protestant here with a sincere question, perhaps Father Josiah or another Orthodox convert can answer. There are quite a few Orthodox converts who were either in Protestant ministry or preparing for such. Thought that they loved the Lord, felt his Presence, had their prayers answered, believed the Nicene Creed etc. How do they now regard their standing before God prior to converting to Orthodoxy? As a Protestant, were they part of the Body of Christ or not? " Saved", if you will.
    A few years ago, I saw a program on EWTN where Father Groschel stated he went to a Protestant service (I think it was a street ministry, he heard the music and popped in). My recollection was that he said something like they were on the right path but didn't have the "full blessing" that the Roman Catholic Church does. So "saved" but lacking. Would this idea be compatable with Orthodoxy?
    Thank you for any insight!

    • @charmolypi999
      @charmolypi999 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Orthodoxy commonly views the Church as a "spiritual hospital" for the sickness of sin. Protestantism is like the waiting room.

    • @ryrocks9487
      @ryrocks9487 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hello, I'd suggest you look up an article online by Father Seraphim Rose, entitled "Salvation of Christians Outside the Orthodox Church." It can be found on the "Preachers Institute" website. I think it will answer your question, and better than anyone on the internet can in a comment... Hope this helps...

    • @DyC-f2f
      @DyC-f2f หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ryrocks9487 Thank you, I found that informative and helpful!

    • @ryrocks9487
      @ryrocks9487 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DyC-f2f Thank God! And thanks for coming back to let me know!

    • @thomasenderson893
      @thomasenderson893 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Beautful! I found that article exemplified much of what I find drawing me into Orthodoxy. Thank you for making me aware of where it could be found! God bless you!

  • @MajorMustang1117
    @MajorMustang1117 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Lol, I grew up in Fallbrook, CA. It's real. We would wear legitimate winter coats at 59 degrees. 😅
    Now I live in Iowa, where below zero is common in winter.

  • @ConnorMacgillivray-j1f
    @ConnorMacgillivray-j1f 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Christians arguing with each other over man's interpretation of His word will only fulfil the scripture that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
    Protestant, Catholic, orthodox - the label matters less than what's in your heart.

  • @Veronika7777
    @Veronika7777 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank You, for the clarity of this reflection. Very educational and full of truth. May we all modestly examine our hearts and gain benefit from this instruction. 💜

  • @Elizabethrc1990
    @Elizabethrc1990 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you Father. I would love to see a video of you talking about Jehovahs Witnesses.

  • @coppernicklaus245
    @coppernicklaus245 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you for this insight. Quite a few of us come from family who left post-Vatican 2 Catholicism for Protestantism. Would your book Rock and Sand be a good start for objective examination of Church history?

    • @steadydividends571
      @steadydividends571 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@coppernicklaus245 it’s an EO perspective so it’s neutral between RC and Prot. There’s also a TH-cam interview Fr. Josiah did if you search Rock and Sand that can give you the gist in 2 hours. After i listened to it i walked around my neighborhood in stunned silence for 2 hours totally blown away I didn’t know this.

    • @coppernicklaus245
      @coppernicklaus245 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @steadydividends571 Muchas Gracias

    • @jenniferbungcayao7700
      @jenniferbungcayao7700 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you'd like to compare Roman Catholicism and Protestantism with Orthodoxy, and learn the basic reasons for why the Orthodox are different, I would recommend Know the Faith by Michael Shanbour. He is very irenic but also convincing, and he presents the doctrines in an order that I found logical and helpful. I would also recommend When the Church Was Young by D'Ambrosio. Both of these will give you early history and doctrine in a format written for laymen. If you then want to dive into why and how Protestantism is wrong, Rock and Sand is very good!

    • @coppernicklaus245
      @coppernicklaus245 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @jenniferbungcayao7700 Thank you

    • @NFS0038
      @NFS0038 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Seconding the recommendation for the Rock and Sand video interviews on youtube. They are phenomenal

  • @robinconnelly6079
    @robinconnelly6079 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    It's not so bad, you know.
    What is wrong with following the writings of the ORIGINAL apostles? I mean, Catholicism is a disaster with it's purgatory and the Papacy and all this crazy stuff and Pope Francis with his LGBTQ and all. Are you surprised that Martin Luther and all his boys walked away? The RC church was doing TERRIBLE things, burning people at the stake and indulgences and much more. In fact (and you know) Martin Luther did not want to walk away. He was excommunicated. What else was he supposed to do?
    I have a lot of respect for the Orthodox church and I think you guys are the real deal (although, I don't like the spiritual pride of some orthodox teachers). Here stands true historical Christianity. It's wonderful.
    I don't consider myself a "Protestant". I have nothing to protest against. That was 500 years ago. I'm just a follower of Christ who believes the bible is the word of God and I don't trust anything else. Why is that so bad?
    I respect the church that has kept going for 2000 years and it's history. I am really glad that it's there. But is it "the church"? This is where I think the Orthodox go wrong. They think that anything outside of their fold is not "the church".
    After all, what is there to back up that claim? Not a whole lot in the first 200 years of church history. That thinking developed around 300AD. But in the writings of the original apostles, the idea of a "strong, visible, establishment" that has to be handed down through the centuries and "only that is the church" just isn't there. Jesus said "whoever is not against us is for us" when the disciples got upset because someone independent was casting out demons. The earliest writing describing apostolic succession was Clement. It wasn't that big and could be just relevant in a local context. Other than that there was Ignatius who even said he was not commanding as he was not an apostle. Again, it is quite reasonable to see it in a local context.
    The Bible says WHOSOEVER.
    Did Jesus only die for the Orthodox? What has developed out of Protestantism, is not bad at all. I don't have a word for it but it's not a protest. Christians of today just find themselves in this place. They didn't put themselves there. They just became Christians and had never even heard of the orthodox. Sure there are some crazy ones but there are loads of solid people of God who follow the bible closely and live Godly lives.
    "Protestant heresies". Please tell me of one. One that is universally "protestant" and does not agree with the Bible. I don't think one exists. Do a video on that, I would be most interested to watch it.
    I think we need to bury the hatchet.

    • @acekoala457
      @acekoala457 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If one believes in a false christ, will they be saved?

    • @paramedic135
      @paramedic135 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      One, holy, catholic, and apostolic

    • @heretichunter74
      @heretichunter74 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unfortunately you are gravely misinformed about the Catholic Church burning people. However Calvinists and John Knox were great at that. Unfortunately you are a Protestant and heretic. But I’m sure if you seek the truth that you will find it and accept it. But you first need to really look for the truth.

    • @mikeb7900
      @mikeb7900 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Christ revealed in SCRIPTURE is the true Christ-to the extent that a church represents HIM accurately is the extent that the church is true.

    • @pugbuddykachoo
      @pugbuddykachoo หลายเดือนก่อน

      There was one Church for the first several hundred years of Christianity. It should be no surprise that it was The Church and there is no discussion about "churches"--Protestants (in any form) did not exist and the Roman schism had not happened. Orthodoxy is that Church, which is why everything else is, simply put, schismatic. The Church regularly left discussions such as you're looking for alone until there was a need for them and no real need existed in the early Church.
      As for "whosoever", you are correct. All Creation is what the Orthodox call "Mystery" (better known in the West as "Sacrament" or "Sacramental"). In other words, all Creation reveals God. The hard-line distinction you are making doesn't exist. God may raise up Saints wherever He pleases, and He does. You may be surprised to find that Orthodoxy (the Church) does not declare someone a Saint; it simply recognizes a person as one. None of that, however, disavows The Church.
      As for Protestant heresies, there are many (there are, after all, many Protestant groups/churches. The number grows with each day). But, as an example, the Protestant idea of "unified, invisible Church" that binds all Protestants together (in spite of their many, many differences) is recognized as a heresy by the Orthodox.

  • @sandahorvath-berindea1593
    @sandahorvath-berindea1593 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you, Father!

  • @AdithiaKusno
    @AdithiaKusno หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am a subdeacon in Byzantine Catholic Church who grew up in a Dutch Calvinist tradition. Fr Josiah Trenham here is nailing it accurately namely deep down Protestants implying if not blatantly believing it that the Church had lapsed into Great Apostasy by the late 2nd century. I had cordial conversation with Josiah Schooping and other former EO priests to understand how they see continuation with the early Church. I want to add nuances that Fr Josiah Trenham might not able to address in this short video. Namely the Protestant churches don't believe Christ founded institutional Church. But rather that one Church that can never fail is the invisible Church in heaven. All the martyrs that comprised heavenly witness can't fail. So Protestants explain that when Emperor Constantine and later Emperor Justinian in power they added into dogmatic texts canon laws that are not from Christ and man made. That's their thesis. So while Protestants would accept First Nicaea, First Constantinople, Ephesus, or Chalcedon. None of Protestants would accept canon laws from those Ecumenical Councils. Protestants argue Ecumenical Councils weren't infallible to explain why canons law issued by those councils not binding to them. So basically Protestants argument is in gradual lapse not abrupt departure. So it begins with veneration of Mary as mother of God in 3rd century and so on that infected the Church until their founders time. I hope this explanation help both Protestants, Orthodox, and Catholics in addressing this topic. Glory to Jesus Christ!

  • @King_Immanuel
    @King_Immanuel หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Its not just Californians father. Here in Texas it got down to the 50s for the first time around a month ago and the whole house was paralyzed from the cold 😆

  • @pg618
    @pg618 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    We here in the caucus mountains are laughing to hear that you think it's cold there.,🤣

  • @OrthodoxLoner
    @OrthodoxLoner หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I am glad someone pointed out this. I am tired of protestants claiming our fathers as if they agreed with them, while reformers themselves disagreed with each other.

    • @acekoala457
      @acekoala457 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      They have to appeal to our Saints to push their Heresy.

    • @mikewilliams6025
      @mikewilliams6025 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The church fathers would recognize no churches today. Most of them would take major exception to their "likeness" being painted on the walls. Especially when that likeness looks nothing like them

    • @acekoala457
      @acekoala457 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@mikewilliams6025
      Name 1 Church father who was Aniconic that didn't also go worship in a place with Icons willingly.

    • @tinakarras7571
      @tinakarras7571 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@acekoala457read the scriptures for Truth.

  • @MrDoyle07
    @MrDoyle07 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you, father for this presentation. I am Roman Catholic and do find a kinship with our Orthodox Brethren. Two brothers who have the same parents and the same genes… …but each more dedicated to our own thinking than we are to each other. We should fix this and take that step required to begin the conversion of this Protestantism that has become a cancer to Jesus’s Church. We must remember that the “gates of hell will not prevail”, by Our Lord’s words we can see the forces of hell will approach and it is upon us with Christ leading us to see those forces fail. There are 40,000 denominational differences out there right now… …that has reached an insanity and that division in our house is not a part of our family, yet they all claim our lineage alongside non-coherent dogmas and doctrines that a well read 5th grader can shred. We need to grow up and do the right thing. Christ is calling us.

  • @arminho5429
    @arminho5429 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Although I am from a Protestant background, I enjoy listening to the teachings and about the history of the church from Fr. Josiah... it keeps me humble :-)

  • @Jeff-q6s
    @Jeff-q6s หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It’s okay 62 degrees is cold in Texas as well

  • @michelferreira333
    @michelferreira333 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I am a former atheist, now a protestant and I have a relationship with God, real experiences with God and continuous repentance with the Gospels.
    There's salvation outside of your church.

    • @Procopius464
      @Procopius464 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks be to God.

    • @davidbagley1783
      @davidbagley1783 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Paulicians

    • @KaterinaK-w1s
      @KaterinaK-w1s หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Keep repenting and maybe by God's grace at least you won't feel the need to victoriously state "There's salvation outside of your church."... Be patient and kind as He is. Why would it be a "bad" thing if indeed the Orthodox church was the true church? Humans don't know everything, humility is needed. You are talking about Christ's Church, the church of the Apostle's. The only church that has not changed since then. Read about it, pray and don't underestimate it.

    • @KaterinaK-w1s
      @KaterinaK-w1s หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidbagley1783 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

    • @michelferreira333
      @michelferreira333 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@KaterinaK-w1sI don't need to repent from proclaiming the truth of the Gospels as we received it, that we can worship and join God wherever you are, for we even know stories about true Christians coming out of cults and sects that once enslaved them with false doctrines of men.
      Yes, the Gospels! That's the victory of Christ over death, that's a victory of Christ over sin, and I'll victoriously proclaim it to the rest of my life.
      While orthodox people on internet (and formally) say to us, protestants, that we are going to hell for not joining their church, I sense that it's them that need to repent, for it's them that underestimate the power of the Gospels.
      Sorry to say, but Orthodoxy changed over time, to the point of schism. Catholics say the same about their own church, and they changed too.
      It's quite ironic, actually, that you talk about humility. I am not the one
      strutting about my church. Pride varnished with false modesty. Protestants know what I am talking about.

  • @NotBlandBlandina
    @NotBlandBlandina หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    62 cold? Try 19° at least 😂 God bless Fr.!

  • @calebshort9082
    @calebshort9082 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The video editor trolling Fr. Josiah at the start is priceless 😂

  • @christianholton9379
    @christianholton9379 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Father Trenham- I am a Protestant who recently found your channel. I enjoy your podcast and videos but have a quick question.
    You accuse Protestants of accepting Augustine’s doctrine of grace while rejecting his doctrines regarding ecclesiology and the sacraments. Aren’t orthodox guilty of this as well? Don’t they reject the former while accepting the latter? Do Orthodox accept every single doctrine taught by the church fathers? Thank you for your time.

  • @lindamorgan2678
    @lindamorgan2678 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Thank you another great informational video. Lawson is no longer with R.C Sproul's Ligonier Ministry. Mr Sproul seemed like a wonderful man. I learned so much from him. Just as I am learning so much from you. Thanks. BTW I am finding so many lies with Protestants myself, that is why I am converting to Orthodoxy and you are helping me enormously. God Bless

    • @michellecheriekjv4115
      @michellecheriekjv4115 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can you tell me what lies you are speaking about within the Protestant religion? First time watching a video from him, it appears he doesn't address the chat, but he also said the bogus Protestant lies. Wondering what he thinks are the lies. Thanks. 🙏

  • @asurrealistworld4412
    @asurrealistworld4412 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Don't forget about those weird Baptists who will claim the Donatists as their own.

    • @christianorthodoxy4769
      @christianorthodoxy4769 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And other heretical groups as well... 😅 Hilarious!'

    • @rsissel1
      @rsissel1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@christianorthodoxy4769 At least they are broadly acknowledging their patronage 😅

    • @davidbagley1783
      @davidbagley1783 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They followed Paul

    • @davidbagley1783
      @davidbagley1783 หลายเดือนก่อน

      For by Grace are you saved through faith..that not of yourselves..that no man shall boast

    • @davidbagley1783
      @davidbagley1783 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Baptist do not worship the man made catholic church.. out of Constantine

  • @Life-xg9pf
    @Life-xg9pf หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Jesus said "You must be born again". Protestants believe salvation comes from accepting Jesus as your Savior and being born again, and from being a new creation in Christ. Most Orthodox and Catholics don't want to look at themselves, at their hearts and lives. They think that by bowing to "saints", by lighting candles, by worshiping their churches buildings (full of images of "saints"), by worshiping the statues of Mary (a human being), etc, etc, they will be saved. Most of them don't have a changed heart and life. Most of them are not new creations in Christ. Most of them are not born again. They live however they want the whole week, and go to church on Sundays expecting their priests to forgive them from their sins. What a heresy.

    • @cabellero1120
      @cabellero1120 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Protestants have a skewed view of Salvation.
      They believe that " friending" Jesus is All that's necessary...
      Heaven is Not Facebook!
      Orthodox believe in Theosis
      Complete Union With Christ
      Evangelicals think that believing that God exists is enough to save you...

    • @bradleyperry1735
      @bradleyperry1735 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Do you think that Orthodox Christians do not accept Christ as our Savior (whatever that entails; I’m sure you can’t tell us)? We are born again “of water and the Spirit” (baptism and chrismation, respectively). Then we are made new and continue to be made new each day through the struggle against our passions and sin, with God’s help. Prayer and fasting are ways that God has given us, His Grace, to do this. These are found in the Scriptures explicitly. Lighting candles and offering incense are also found in the Scriptures, and are ancient Christian practices later abandoned by Protestants. As a side note, I suggest you read the story of Nadab and Abihu who chose to worship in the way THEY deemed acceptable instead of how God commanded them to. They were struck dead. No Orthodox Christian worships any building. We worship God. Putting Saints in quotation marks implies you do not believe those people are Saints. Upon whose authority do you make that pronouncement? I won’t address statues of Mary because this is not an Orthodox practice, but asking the Saints in Heaven, and the Mother of God in particular, to pray for us is just common sense. Not to mention this practice is found in the earliest records of the Faith.
      The rest of your comment about who is and is not “born again,” a “new creation,” etc. is pure hubris and violates Christ’s explicit command not to judge, as He is the only Judge.

    • @Life-xg9pf
      @Life-xg9pf หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Are you a born again Christian and a new creation in Christ? Jesus said that we must be born again. Please, understand that the "saints", Mary, candles and other practices in the Orthodox or Catholic churches, can not save anybody. Images of "saints" and statues are only distracting people from the truth.

    • @bradleyperry1735
      @bradleyperry1735 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @ I’ve already addressed all of this. Can you explain what being “born again” and a “new creation” mean? The Bible is explicit that this means baptism and the reception of the Holy Spirit. We do this in the Orthodox Church. No Protestant I’ve ever known has ever believed that, and I was Protestant for 35 years.

    • @1988pugslee
      @1988pugslee หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Amen Spot on they are looking to traidions of men like Nicdemous but being born again and a new creation is not on their radar. EO is the traditions of men built on men, for men, and not built on the word of God which can never be error.

  • @MrKevin4894
    @MrKevin4894 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Genuine question. Are the self-identified Christians around the world, who are killed for their faith and conviction in the gospel of Jesus Christ, dying in vain because they aren't identified in Orthodoxy but Protestantism? But what if they profess and affirm the Nicene Creed?

    • @minemag
      @minemag หลายเดือนก่อน

      Não se importe com o que esse hereges dizem, eles se fundamentam em suas tradições inventadas mas a religião de Cristo está nas Escrituras

  • @tonyvasquezjr8105
    @tonyvasquezjr8105 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent explanation Father.

  • @davidbagley1783
    @davidbagley1783 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The man on the cross next to jesus.. confessed and asked for help.. went to paradise

    • @John17apologetics
      @John17apologetics หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And if you are attached to your death bed, unable to do literally anything, then you too can simply confess and go to paradise.

  • @robertthiesen2687
    @robertthiesen2687 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The great thing about my upbringing in a Mennonite church is that my Christian identity was never explained in terms of being a Mennonite. Rather I , understood myself using the theological language of the New Testament itself as a disciple of Christ, part of the body of Christ, etc. Because of my tradition's lack of harmful self-reference, I never saw any problem appreciating Christian teachers from all orthodox Christian traditions and never tried to assimilate them to my own tradition. This is how it's meant to be. Don't allow devotion to your branch of the Christian tradition obscure your devotion to Christ in his fullness.

    • @grandbull7489
      @grandbull7489 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is how it is supposed to be. Our salvation is in Christ not in Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or Protestantism.

    • @thomasenderson893
      @thomasenderson893 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Is your perspective typical for a member of a Mennonite church?

  • @olegsoltis3305
    @olegsoltis3305 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I grew up in Ukraine, raised as an atheist, surrounded by many EO Christians. I had not heard not a single word about faith in Christ from them, not one. If it wasn’t for some unknown to me evangelical believer who approached me, as I was walking home late at night, and started testifying to me about Jesus Christ , I would have been completely ruined by now. I was not on a good path in my life at the time. I haven’t seen him ever again.
    To join EO is to condemn all Protestants as heretics, which would be something I wouldn’t be able to do, since I’ve met so many of them, who truly reflected the life of true Christians.
    EO is not the only true church. It is a Christian denomination with an ancient history.
    What I have noticed is that North American EO Christian’s seem to be way more dedicated than Ukrainian and Easter European members of EO.
    I attribute it to the fact that many of the first group have converted from Protestantism.

    • @starstray4326
      @starstray4326 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ve grown up with many Russian and Ukrainian evangelicals in Colorado but it was completely opposite for me. EO can sometimes seem like it has dead ends with people just aimlessly going to church with nothing else, however the problem I had with Slavic evangelicals was they constantly had splits. There was a massive Slavic church here that split over 5 times in 20 years and now in those newer ones the women no longer veil whatsoever. They used to drink from a central Eucharist now it’s just plastic cups. Majority of them closed under covid because they feared the government more than God. Point is Slavs went to America to build Slavic churches only to be completely washed out concerts.

  • @violetd3487
    @violetd3487 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ❤ I'm Catholic but I love also Orthodoxy. I wish we could bring back the TLM.

  • @xaralamposp4228
    @xaralamposp4228 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the incident of Jesus meeting the Greeks....,There were also some Greeks from among those who were resurrected, in order to worship in the feast. These therefore came to Philip from Bethsaida of Galilee, and asked him, saying: Lord, we want to see Jesus. Philip comes and says to Andrew, and again Andrew and Philip say to Jesus. And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

  • @Parks179-h
    @Parks179-h หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This line of reasoning and Rhetoric is really just tiring, honestly.

    • @internet-user22
      @internet-user22 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Don't give up! Be strong! Try your best to listen and understand. You'll get it eventually. I believe in you😅

    • @Parks179-h
      @Parks179-h หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@internet-user22 Do you believe that this line of reasoning is any better? As if it is going to create any kind of beneficial, ecumenical discussion?

    • @bobbobberson5627
      @bobbobberson5627 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Parks179-h ecumenism is heresy.

  • @the_watcher_abc
    @the_watcher_abc หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    62? That’s shorts weather in these parts.

  • @nikopawlowic6557
    @nikopawlowic6557 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I am Roman Catholic, but I do respect my Orthodox Christian brothers and sisters, but when it comes to the protestants... yeah I can't understand their doctrines or practices. I mean I can understand the reasoning, Martin Luther did raise some legitimate concerns about the Roman Catholic Church, but i think the protestant movement has gone waaaaaay to far off into bonkersville.

  • @Rhonda.D.Wright
    @Rhonda.D.Wright หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The art in this video is AMAZING! 😊

  • @toomanybooks1
    @toomanybooks1 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for this Fr Josiah!