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- I get asked about swapping a bike over to 1x from a bunch of different people who own bikes with a buuuuunch of different drivetrain configurations and with the recent video on upgrading my brothers bike from 3x8 to 1x10, there have been a load of questions coming in through the channel as well. I decided it time to put all of my broken thoughts and ghetto practices into video for your viewing pleasure.
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Best of both worlds!!Remove your front derailleur and shifter. Get a narrow wide chainring. Leave the granny gear on the crank.
Maybe or not get a wider range cassette.
Now go ride as hard as you want, when you get to a really hard hill you cant clean, get off, catch your breath! Move chain onto granny. Finish riding up the mountain. Stop at the top and catch your breath, enjoy the view, smell the flowers etc. Put chain back on the ‘big’ chainring.
This set up will save you some money and a little weight. It will allow you to try 1X to see if it works for your style WITHOUT breaking your piggy bank.
It will also encourage you to push harder up hills and challenge yourself. It will also encourage you to keep your chain CLEAN!!
Ain’t nobody got time for all that. Lol
@@coletrick8748 Yeah, not enough time to simply get fit and push the pedals harder! Half of my bikes are singlespeeds. Haha, all we really 'need' is one gear. Derailleurs and all that junk compensate for human weakness.
Came back to this video as a reference for my MTB and I'm using the front integrated brake/shifter lever with shifter as a dropper post lever!
FINALLY someone explained the purpose of a clutch CLEARLY
I'm thinking back converting my 4-speed Chevy truck to a 1 speed transmission
I'm thinking about converting my 4-speed Chevy truck to a 1 speed transmission
@@janetsers4895 i did that on my 75 ford if you use the transfer case as a front derailer it helps on the clutch smoke and you can breath just realy hard not breaking drive shfts go with 2nd 4th worked ok on road but it sucked trying to get there have fun with that
CVT!
😂 😆 oss
Did you go into the race gear on the highway?
*This video is probably the best explanation I’ve seen thus far.*
I was thinking of a 1x system... best video that brainstorms the options. Thanks!
I'm glad I kept my 3X10 mountain bike. It's super versatile, going up 20% hills on the trails or road touring with large gears and being able to keep close to my best candace. The chain also lasts very long with little crossover. Also, the front gears need little maintenance since for every 20 times I change the back gears, I only change the front once. Sometimes the original ideas are the best. Like my rear rack, with the arrival of bikepacking I never took the rear rack off, it is useful for large or small panniers, a backpack, drybag or just a wind breaker, so useful.
You explained a lot of things about drive trains really well, thank you!
Great Video... I think you're take on 1x has pushed me over the edge to order the narrow wide ring for my DA9000 cranks.
Just learned a ton from this video! Very well put together!
Aha great timing! I was just thinking about how to tinker with my entry level mtb earlier today
Wow, I never knew why a narrow-wide chain was better. Didn’t know that the wide only fit between the outer plates👊🏻
Videos are great! You are very clear and humorous. And a local guy, you are!
Thanks! Your in Nova Scotia?
Such a useful video, contains so much good information about 1x conversions. Many thanks.
Thanks for explaining this subject clearly. I’m thinking of doing my commuter a 1 x
i like the thoroughness of this video. answered all my questions. thanks for taking the time.
Dude, the info you just gave me was super useful, TY.
Excellent video, I learned a lot.
thanks man!
I also run a 1x10 SRAM X9 on a Scott Spark 35 upgraded from 3x10. I simply replaced the crankset with a SRAM GX one and it works really great.
I ride a bike with a 3x8 transmission and I would not change that at all. It has all the range that I need in speed. With the missing larger chainring, you are missing the benefits of the higher speed and you would need at least 11t or 12t on the cassette to achieve the high speeds on the road. On higher ascent grade hills, the granny gear on the crankset would be a great asset so the legs won’t get tired and for slippery dirt terrain, you have more traction control. My next bike if I decided to, it would have multiple chainrings in the front. To have a 1x11 or a 1x12, the chain needs to strain itself by angling it in order to get the biggest gear on the cassette. I would go for a 3x9 or a 3x10 for an upgrade. Peace!
They now offer 10 tooth rears. I just upgraded my 9x2 11/26-39/53
Just got 2021 rockhopper 1x, imo it is nowhere near as good as my 2011 3x
@@mexxchattaway6719 You just saved me money. I thank you.
I bought a One Up components oval chain ring for my entry level Norco XC bike. It was 2x9 before, the oval chain ring had been great. Will be pairing it with a Box components prime 9 system
just love your videos! thanks for this explantion!
Narrow-wide + chain-guide is definitely the way to go. Bonus if you throw on a "wide range" cassette.
Thanks! You helped me decide not to bother doing this, as I ride my 3 by on the centre ring only and it has integrated brake/shifter levers.
Add to that, it's an early 90's Gary Fisher and I like how it's almost original.
I'll take all od the 3x cranks that you don't want.
Great vid, very informative. I got old sram rival 1x10 on my jamis gravel bike.
Yum, giant burrito! Now I’m hungry.
This was a super informative video! Thanks
How is a 3X to 1X an upgrade? I switched from 3X to 1X and i consider it a side-grade: less choices but more simple and less weight.
I'm literally about to make the switch to 1x!!
I have 20 speed tiagra 4700 for road and it's very flat in Dallas. Great video!
Why 20 speeds if it's so flat ?
@@georgeb.wolffsohn30 so you can always keep your cadence exactly where you want it. It feels incredible! I have tiagra 4700 20 speed on my bike, I plan to convert to 1X too. My front derailleur was playing up and I realised that I almost only use the 34T chainring anyway, I only really need a few faster gears. Going to get an 11-36 cassette with a 38t chainring and hopefully there wont be too many gaps in my cadence
Very useful video! I know it's been a few days but I needed to share, You can use 10s clutch derailleurs with 9 or 8 speed drivetrains as long as you use sram 8/9 speed shifters. I currently have a 10s zee derailleour with an 8spd sram cassette, chain and shifter on my dh bike and works perfect! Cheers
I had read this as well, but didn't want to add toooooo much of the fun mix and match stuff in as to not confuse the beginner wrenches too much. Good info!
Recently bought a Rocky Mountain Soul 27.5 that was used by a bike mech friend of mine. It has a 11-40t Cassette and 1x 9 30t speed in the front. No front mech, no guide. And haven't dropped the chain once in Shorthill Provincial Park. Rear Mech is Acera M3000 Shadow. So your point on 1x is correct.
This video is very helpful and detailed
1x 10sp on my XC bike, 32t Hope oval chainring, XT derailleur with clutch that I NEVER switch on. No dropped chains, the Hope ring is that good. Where I live we regularly ride 350m hills at over 20% incline, so 32t is a must. Road bike still 2x10sp.
Great video dude. Thanks a lot
Dude, you’re a genius- thank you so much!
Living in flat Forida, as I do, I really don't need the complications in maintenance of my 21 speed MTB. I removed the derailers. I converted the rear deraller to a chain tensioner by removed the spring that displaces the chain laterally. I saw that on another utube clip. While at work, I also replaced the flat handlebar with an elevated stem and a swallow handlebar. Now I can ride my MTB like a Dutch gentleman in Amsterdam, upright and comfortably. The spring seat I bought for less than $20. adds a rear suspension to the front suspension that came with the MTB. Why did I buy a 21 speed MTB in the first place? Because they are much less expensive than other bikes - which I think are terribly overprices by comparison. My MTB cost me less than $100, new, in a box months ago. Now, it costs about $50. more. The MTB has a front suspension and aluminum alloy in the frame. The cruisers, etc., in the bike shops start at $400, are all steel, no suspension at all and single speed!
The Crux! 1x drivetrains for cheap! AND burritos, and Norton too!... GREAT winter bike video :)
Best cycling video ever. Thorough and accurate explanations, BMX phone game, burrito, and a dog. Ticks every box...
Why do you think 1x is an upgrade? I love my 3x.
You should consider starting an online store, stocking parts that you present and have tested. I, for one, would buy the 5 bolts, 130 BCD chainring, you are using in this video.
I actually just kind of do that exact thing but through affiliate links instead. If something is purchased on Amazon through my links, I profit from it! And that way, I don't have to stock anything!
Dude, awesome content, compelling style, and fun!!! Love the border collie, and that is one huge as_ burrito! Followed!
Extremely helpful video! I'm in the middle of converting my daughter's 3x8 drivetrain to a 1x. I feel much more confident with your info! Thanks.
vara fouroneone how did it go? Is it easy or difficult. What do you all need to do it the not hack way
Thks for the info, lots of help.
Very well done video. Not only great production value, but solid info delivered clean and to the point. Keep it up. SUBSCRIBED!
Great video bro
If you have a nine speed get a 10s rear derailleur and just close the limit screws as needed, it usually works
you can drill out the rivets on the cheaper 3x chain ring works great i have done it alot
That must weaken the remaking ring flexing etc 3rings supported each other for strength
My fat bike has a hacked together 1x10 Shimano setup. Very much used to have a 3x on the front that I ran by removing the biggest and smallest chainrings for quite a long time until I finally decided that dropping my chain was getting old and irritating. Narrow wide chainring made a huge difference but I still drop my chain if I crash.
same with my bikes. In the event of a crash or bad mistake, I still experience some chain drop. I'm okay with that though
great video !
Sounds like I can put any size chainring with my cassette, with a preference but not a necessity to have narrow/wide teeth. Man, this allows me to build a 1x that actually covers my needed gear range!
If you have an 8 speed cassette and a crankset with a 110 BCD you can use a rennen Design Group Pro BMX chainring. The 8-speed chain fits single speed chain rings nice and snug. Really any single speed chainring with large teeth will work.
You can usualy use a 10 speed derailuer on a 9 speed caset and you can drill out the rivits if you have a stamped crankset if you have an integrated shifter you can just buy a cheap brake leaver.
MicroShift just dropped a BUDGET 1x9 system with a clutch. It looks pretty good.
And, of course, SRAM NX is out there, too.
How much?
I’ve got a 2015 whyte 801 with 3x9. Will be looking at going 1x10 this year sometime. Probably I’ll buy a mix and match of used and new components.
That’s the way I do things too!
Spindatt how about changing from 3x to 2x? Shifter has switch to change to 2x. Can I keep same front derailleur? Will be buying a specific 2x chainset (for my sons bike)
The current front derailleur will more than likely work. BUT, front derailleur can be had for so crazy cheap, it’s almost worth buying one “just because”
@@Spindatt Your mountain biking buddies would probably have a front derailleur for free/beer. No way I would pay 25% of retail for a mtn bike front derailleur. Just have to find the right people or shops for the right bargain.
2×10 would be far better.
nice video, i have always been 1x
*Gratuitous Burrito footage* ...Norton might have been a little jealous.
Well done
Do I have to change my derailleur to covert to 1x? I’m not clear on that.
Nice hollow tech tube ear rings!
Best part of a !X setup?? Hearing the thud as your front derailleur hits the bottom of the trash can......😁😁😁😁😁😁
See that’s what I was told you finally got to it, that I would need to change rear derail,cassette and all that.......
Interesting video.
I'm considering converting an old '92 MTB to a 1X. I been using it as a commuter bike for a long time now. And as you stated, I just put it in the mid front ring and leave it there! I'm not sure if the chainrings are riveted on?
It's at my local shop where it's getting a tune up which hasn't been done in decades and am having some more modern bars and shorter stem installed. I will take a closer look when I get it back.
My shop said it's not worth converting to 1x and they are probably right. But I'm still curious.
I love the Front Deraileur hack! When I get it back, I'll look into that!
I went with the final option and bought a 1x groupset. We got mad hills around these here parts though so I got me a little 28 tooth ring. It should all be here next week so I'll report back. My only concern is that I won't have enough low-end for when I want to spin up the last stretch of a big climb.
Still working for you ?
@@LemonySnicket-EUC Yeah I still like it.
Hi, just to confirm with the ghetto 1x conversion I could just remove the non used chainrings from the 3x and rework the front deraulier as a chain device and then I have my self a 1x drivetrain.
Don't give up your day job.
hey , just watching and there was chat about riveted front chain ring sets , if have and dont want to spend the $4 for bolted , take a grinder and grind the ones you dont want till round , i have on few doing the small and large leaving the middle and the outer bigger make for a kind of chain guide of bash ring then , cheers
Smart
10:54 Yeah for road and gravel bikes maybe, not MTB's. I put a standard CS-M8000 XT 11 speed cassette on my Hope Sport just fine and that hub was made over twenty years ago. When a manufacturer say something like "11 speed compatible" rather than being helpful and reassuring it's usually a way of misleading you into assuming that your old stuff is obsolete.
Awesome video. For bolted 3xs, how does the spacing work? Do you have to use the middle chain ring? As in, the large and small rings are attached to the spider which is part of the middle ring? I was worried if I tried to do 1x with a bolted 3x I would need to use spacers to keep something like the middle ring aligned correctly, etcetera. Thanks
I think my conversation on my beater bike was the most ghetto. I couldn’t fine a crank puller that would work on my shitty suntour cranks so i just hack sawed the chainrings off and then just slid the new nock off raceface narrow wide one on.
Brill video George UK
I'm going to switch from a 9 by 3 to 1 by, with either 32 or34 n/w chainring, I think it will work OK with Shamano Deore xt derailleur!
Did it work? I’ve got the deore XT derailleur and want to do the same
@@nicksadler9797 with a 32 chainring and a 11 cog your max speed is around 30 km/h. I have a 32 with 11-40 Acera 9s, would recommend 34 with 11-42, it´s a 0.81 ratio a bit hard on steep climbs but doable
You can ride clutch on 9 speed or lower. Tge only need is a converter. Buy one or print one. I ride clutch (rd-m6000) on 3x8 speed and next time on 3x9
Since this video came out some 8 and 9 speeds have now got a clutch
I like tinkering too!
I mainly ride my mountain bike on road. So maybe that’s why I’m okay with a 3x8. Lol I feel I’m the only one who likes it. This was a cool vid.
I'm not changing mine. I have 3x9. I ride mostly in the city.
I am still struggling to see how a 1-speed chainset is going to be better for me personally, I use the larger 44 chainring on the front a lot, I could easily forgo the granny ring, I rarely use it, if at all, 32/32 is usually low enough
This is Exactly my situation but I don't understand bike like the information but it seems your speeding though some really important fact that us as newbies can understand.like the information and the vedios.
I know this is, now, a couple year old video. But I’m hoping you’re still going to read this comment. I NEED HELP! I’m getting into Mountain Bikes much more these days. I have an older 3x9 bike, a 2008 Gary Fisher Hoo Koo E Koo (a $1100 bike at the time). It has NEVER operated correctly at all. The bike shop I purchased it from was awful and never admitted to an issue with the chain slipping under power (without shifting) on the front three gears. I would like to fix this issue myself. I’d like to convert the bike IDEALLY to a 1x10 drivetrain. I have not been able to find reliable information on what parts may fit on my bike though. There are just so so so many available. Where can I go (online) to find part compatibility? Is there a 10 speed cassette I can put on my hub? Etc. etc. etc. Your video has been the most informative I’ve been able to find so far. Thank you so very much!
I would like to add clutched derailleur to a 7 speed cassette. Why won’t a 10 speed derailleur work with a 7 speed if I set the Limit screws accordingly? The only problem might be chain width compatibility. Will the 7 speed chain be too wide to work with a 10 speed derailleur? If I change to a 10 speed chain, will that be too narrow for my 7 speed cassette?
Great info about the two chain types, and the fact it is the internal width that is important regarding chain rings. This kind of thing is so hard to find out!
Don't bother with super expensive narrow wide chain-rings if you ride on pavement. You can pick up cheap aluminium BMX chain ring on Ebay for $10-$15.
Liked, subscribed, and here is my comment. The only thing left is to share, soooo, I plan to share this in my upcoming video about oval chainrings vs round chainrings on a raceface cinch system. Hoping you can go full time TH-cam vlogger before 2020 Eric. You are very entertaining. Really enjoy your personality and the delivery.
Thanks! I didn't realize you were also creating content! I'll be over to view later tonight!
Fingers crossed on the full time life. Putting in the grind so far in 2018!
So much content put out in 2018 that I can't keep up with your various new vids! My watch later playlist is getting out of control man!
I have round and oval rings. I will say initially i noticed a difference moving between round amd oval but this sensation faded quickly. However i have noticed my legs feeling better after riding oval. Placebo, maybe does that matter? Probably not. Im going to replacing one of my ovals with another oval so I'll do a video of that for funs.
nice informational video and nice collection of bikes! I have to ask though, why are the bikes so clean looking and the chains look so ruff?
Because I clean my bikes but never degrease the chain haha
I conveted a triple to a 1 x using a narrow wide chain ring. First ride the chain snapped.. not sure why.
Hey man, I have a 2006 rockhopper. I'd like to up the drivetrain. It has deore lx now with 3x9. Saw a Shimano XT kit 1x11. How would I know if it would fit? The reason I'm contemplating upgrading parts is that newer bikes $$$ but have entry level components. Seems like might as well get the best parts I can afford and build it the way I want it...
What has kept me from taking the leap is the cost of the rear rim. Cycles Lambert, which is the wholesaler in Canada for bike stores. Doesn't carry a rim that will accept a 11 speed cassette. Unless your willing to spend over $200. Don't ask me go to Flea Bay and pay duty, taxes etc either. Its about cost to me. Don't like these new 1x bikes by Trek or Norco cause they use a small Crank of 28T. I'm use to a 48/36/26 on a mountain bike.
Shimano offers a 11spd cassette that fits 10spd road hubs
I did a 1x11 set up on my Cervelo P1, Shimano ultegra gx clutch derailleur, a ultegra cs-800 cassette (11-34) a Dura ace 11spd bar end shifter and a Garabuk 56t narrow wide chain ring
Shimano 11spd MTB cassettes work on 10spd hubs
There is a company in Montreal that will modify 11speed common carrier cassettes to fit 10spd hubs
Would you happen to have a guide or know of one that would tell one what their rear hub is capable of upgrading to?
I know this is older, but still being asked about all-over the place... I'm converting to a 1x simple because the front chainring/derailleur doesn't seem to play nice no matter how it's adjusted, without warning or reason it comes off the front, always the front, and I primarily use 1 chainring anyways. I've been collecting parts so I can do this all at once and shouldn't need to go buy parts.
But know the truth about a 1x setup, it WILL cost $$$... Unless you totally ghetto the setup somehow, and at that point you may not even have the benefits of a 1x, it will cost $$$. Not changing the rear cassette will just rob you of gear selection and make a 1x suck for you.
My suggestion is a simple one... Ride someones elses bike (more than around the lot) that has a 1x setup, You'll know if it's a GOOD setup for you. I was lucky and was able to rent a similar bike to mine for a day that was a 1x11 setup, and for my local trails, it worked... But I can see how it may not be ideal with other types of trails.
Let's face it - the reason your bike came with a 2x or 3x setup from the factory, was it sounds better to say "21 speed" or "27 speed" than it does to say "11 speed"... that's it, it's marketing hype and availability cheap parts more than the fact that you have some duplicates anyways. This year saying "1x" is the new catchphrase of the day, and next year it will be "pinion gear" or "CVT gearing" or something else they come up with.
What works is what works for you and how you ride, not just because it's the new catchphrase of the day.
But tell me, don't you have more range opportunities if you have a mountain bike that u can lock out and do street w/hills? {with 3 sprocket front}
@@torrolindsey3459 all I know for sure is that I had so many issues with the front derailleur that "went away" with the 1X system. I have a very good range with what I have, I don't miss, or even think about, the 3 rings being gone up front, nor do I ever find myself wishing they were back. The bike feels like it lost a "ton" of weight with those three rings gone.
What cage derailleur do I need to go with for the 1x10 conversion or 1x11 conversion?
What’s the clothing you have on? I do a lot of road biking but not sure what clothing is good for the cold.
I'm repairing bike. It has 3x 6x drivetrain and its smeashed i am replacing bottom braket casete cranks everething so i think to replace it with 1x10 or something similar or should i go back with 3x6?
I have a gt Aggressor pro I just got a 40t N/W chainring but I'm keeping the stock 8 gears in the rear for now. Will the stock chain be ok and will I need a chain guide? Ive always kept the front gear on the largest of the three (42T) so I don't see why it wouldn't work. This is the first video I actually learned stuff. I subscribed. Thanks for any input.
What is the name of that Specialized bike?
Correction of my old statement I absolutely love 1x vs 3x crank set ups much easier.
I dont know anything about bike...i thinking of buying an ebike....but it only got 9speed...can i replace it with 12 speed??? Or can i remove 3 cogs to fit in 9 speed space..??.thanks
Is it truly an upgrade? I would call it a change.
Devon Plumley why
Devon Plumley you’re wrong.
@@devonplumley7600 saying it’s better without quantifying your claim is worthless.
You will have to pry my 3x Bio Pace chain rings from my cold dead feet😮😂..
That's what I don't know: how many sprockets will fit on my 06' Specialized MTB: it is not stock hub/wheel, as I recently replaced but fits the 06 frame as a replacement. I think the bike shop dude said a 10 would fit, be cool to get an 11, man that front shifting 3×9 sucks.
I want to get my sirrus sport from 3x9 to 2x11...what do I need "compatibility-wise" on the rear hub for that?
Shimano's Alivio range has a 9 speed Shadow design rear mech
That’s good news!
planning to do an Alivio 1x soon, too. :D
Good news you can get a 9 speed shadow derailleur!!
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