Hey guys! Wing 2.0 Template is in the works! I will be uploading a new video as well as creating a commerce page on my website in order to release everything for sale. It will include everything inside this build as well as new things I've implemented to my Snapshot!
Wing effects are spectacular for this price range. Can't wait for the Wing rack in a few months. I've seen people complaining that they prefer the A&H (and others) model of a huge effects library & buy licenses for the ones you want. Be careful what you wish for... I work on an old Avid D-show (circa 2008) at one venue, over the years the system drive has been replaced & the license keys lost. Nobody has a clue what was licensed or how to prove the purchase to Avid. So we are stuck with this supposedly stadium grade board with a stupidly limited set of onboard effects. Enjoy the fact that Behringer gives you a great selection of effects built right into the firmware, and 10 or 15 years from now, you'll still have access to every one of them.
Still one of my favorite videos. I love your technique and sound so much. Fixing to buy my wing and this video will give me a huge jump when I start setting it up for our band. Thanks again.
Great video! I'm a volunteer worship leader at a small church that just bought a Wing a few years back. I dont have much training on live sound so this video has been clutch in helping expand my skill set. Thank you for putting this out!
ya, it sounds like a short delay doubled, imo i think the “paralell” compression isnt delay compensated or something. imo the parallel compression can be done right in-line without using a seperate bus
I have been considering this board for quite some time for our band. Currently on a X32 and the wing just seems to have boatloads more power epsecially in the effects processing. I enjoyed watching your techniques and I think you have come up with a great overall sound. Congrats and thanks for a great video.
Sidechain compression: The overhead compressor will not engage with the overhead signal. It will compress the overhead signal when the snare (sidechain) level hits the threshold.
Got to try this board for the past few months, and loved it so much, I had to have one. Great video , second time watching this and its inspiring me to try some things like the extra bus sends for drums and vocal. The plugins on this board sound amazing I must say. Pretty hard to beat for the price of this board.
I'm glad to hear that Behringer "fixed" the FX timing issue with the Wing console. WIth the X32, the FX racks were not delay compensated so it could really screw with your mixes sound unless you were aware of this and compensated for it.
Nice video and a great mix! As an X32 user I enjoyed seeing some of the cool things you can do with the wing. There are a couple of minor things with the mix I think you can improve if you're interested. 1. I really like what you did with the tape saturation on the drum smash group, but unfortunately since it's on an insert it knocks the whole bus out of time with the dry channels and causes harsh comb filtering. I've run into the same exact issue using the X32. You can test if it's really the tape saturation by soloing all your drums, turning down the tape sim to where it's doing practically nothing, and toggle it on and off. You should still be able to hear a huge difference, especially in the high end. It will impart a harsh digital tonality, and if you look at the RTA on LR you'll also be able to see the numerous notches in the spectrum this creates on the entire drum sound. 2. I don't know about your venue of course, but at least in mine, panning individual elements as wide as 40% doesn't yield ideal results. Despite my venue's speakers being at most 40ft apart, most of the audience is not in a place where they can hear both speakers equally, at all. A vast majority will hear one speaker drastically louder than the other one across the room from them, meaning anything you pan too hard is going to get lost in the mix for people on one side of the room, and be too loud for people on the other side. You end up with a wider mix for people in the middle, but an inconsistent mix for people on either side of the room. It's not a very good tradeoff in my opinion. If you haven't considered this before I'd really recommend walking to either side of the room and concentrating on the guitars and the toms. Here's a good video regarding the specifics of this: th-cam.com/video/DHlbu9qupOo/w-d-xo.html 3. The autotune is introducing some unwanted artifacts. Sometimes you can hear it pulling the vocalist to the wrong note and it's a bit distracting. Example: 38:26 - the front part of the "oh" gets garbled, and on the word "jesus" the "us" part quickly snaps between two notes. You can hear similar artifacts elsewhere. These artifacts can really mess up the emotional aspect of the vocal. IMO, the speed and amount should be turned down a bit, maybe half of the current setting for both.
Sweet vid man. Learned a lot of new techniques. We are a mobile church so soundcheck time is limited. Mic placement changes week to week haha. But overall we have a pretty consistent sound
Thank you for posting this ! I'm learning a lot. Could it be that you have a phase issue on those overheads ? As a drummer I'm really surprised by how thin (phasy) the cymbals sound for exemple here 22:0626:14
Hey thanks Josua! No phasing here, it’s intentional hi-passing to remove low end from the overheads and create space for the kick, snare, and toms to live.
Not trying to be a douche, but that parallel bus is definitely making the drum mix phasie baby haha! You're mix sounds killer tho!! We run a wing at church too, and I love it! Try to throw all your drums into just a dry bus, and don’t send the individual inputs to the master bus. Then send the dry bus as well as the parallel to the master bus. Boom, phase annihilated. The wing doesn't do manual delay compensation, so in order to keep everything in time, you've gotta send related sources to the same level of processing in order to avoid phase issues. This is also true for the inserts, so like if you have an effect rack inserted on snare top and not snare bottom they'll come out of time with each other, but just engaging the insert slot with nothing in there will put it in time delay compensation wise with everything else.
I did some round trip testing after this video dropped to see latency in all routes. I’m planning to release them all in another video. Would love to see any testing results or documentation if you have any.
That's sick, yea I've scoured everywhere to try and find documentation on the exact sample or millisecond numbers and couldn't find em anywhere. I do know that the regular channel path is 48 samples (gate, eq, and comp) I don’t know how many samples each insert point is tho.
Great video. Really helpful tips. I feel like I’m hearing combing happening with your drums because of the bus parallel processing. How are you compensating for the latency of the bus when parallel processing the kick and snare?
This definitely sounds better that my live stream 😅 sound so good!!! If you ever take a trip to San Diego we could definitely use your help, just name your price
@@alexleebataller Sale me your wing template, it will definitely give me a good starting point for my live stream audio, i have a hybrid setup with the wing and waves super rack but i'm struggling aligning the timing, your setup sounds very good just with the wing itself
My question is durability I saw a used one at Guitar Center that seemed broken. My experience with Behringer is that they make affordable products that break easily. Back in the days they copied the Mackie mixer all I remembered were the power supply blowing up. Three blew up on me. How durable will you say it is and how do you compare their plun emualions compare do UAD and others?
Great video and a nice sounding band . One correction thou the compressor you used on the master is actually the ssl channel compressor not the Buss comp .cheers
It’s the parallel channels, he is using different compressors on each parallel process. The wing doesn’t have auto delay compensation but there’s a workaround which is to use the same compressors for each process.
Parallel universe here. I mix at Gateway Church, Parkesburg, PA. Also on X32, considering Wing as next step. Using X32R for IEMs and could just replace FoH X32 pretty easily and use rack for inputs. What do you use for your stagebox? We have what I could say is a similar size stage and room to what your GTWY online videos show from services. Nearing our limits on capability on X32 especially in terms of effects. Considering Avantis but costs are higher than we can really justify.
That’s awesome brother! We use Midas DL32. You will just need to be creative on which channels your send to your X32 for IEM, since you’ll increase your count to 48 (stereo capable) channels on the wing. The I/O capability for wing is in the hundreds, can’t remember the exact max.
@@alexleebataller Thanks - and the plug-ins on the Wing seems to be a great solution - I clicked into the video right into the AC Gtr and it was playing in stereo and I see you just put a Reverb right onto the channel (since it's stereo, you're done there) but hearing the guitar in stereo jumps out at me as an x32 guy - to do that requires a bus or other trick to get the haas effect. Instead of having to do a stereo pair of buses in the X32 and eat two of 12 and then have to mix further into the matrix for final output. So many are using an X32 basically to mix all mono channels into one stereo pair of buses and calling it a day for their online feeds. I find that lacking and the Wing will blow all that away.
Great mix sir! I know it's only a demonstration, but my only note is the autotune settings. Its really messing up her vocal performance in obvious, funky ways. Either the Amount has to be dialed down or it's set to the wrong key, unless the plugin itself is not too accurate in its tracking ability. Excellent video nevertheless!
We have a wing at our church as well, I love it! But has anyone experienced the issue where the board freezes (all fader, mute control, meters, etc...) usually just restarting the board corrects the issue but I wanted to know if y'all had a long term fix for this?
Great video! Thank you for posting this. Are you running a separate monitoring console? I love your approach to parallel processing, but I have to use 10 buses just for ears. It doesn't leave me much room for groups.
14 busses total. I’m using 8 busses for monitoring, 3 busses for drum processing, 3 for vocal processing. I’m not running any verb effects on the EGs. It’s all from the pedalboard reverbs. Big sky I think
I actually use Major Scales. I have all of the major scales on presets that I can quickly recall for song changes, I have them for sale in a pack on my website!
Hi, man. My name is Iliézer Savergnini, I'm from Brazil. Thank you for your teachings. Can you teach me how to put the Waves plugins on my Wing 48? God bless your life.
Well Cody did just get one for his church, so we don't hate it thatttttt much. :P We just hate the lack of a product manual from the company that makes the board still 2 years later, real issues with reliability, the fact there are still some functions to this day that no one knows what they do.... etc. Great sounds are absolutely possible with the Wing though. ;)
@@alexleebataller i use one in my church to in Ghana... but like the MxU guys said there are other functions that know knows how to go about them because there isn't a manual yet...
The issue I have with many mix engineers today, is the overuse of waves plugins. Mixes sound like studio rather than live, losing all the wonderful elements of a LIVE performance. If you can't get a great sound from the wing, then one's skills should be questioned rather than add masses of plugins.
This scene is outdated currently, but I just released a new scene available for sale on my website leebataller.com! I also made a new video on my channel explaining it!
completely agree. i have a wing and have waves soundgrid integration. not the same i personally dont really like nost of the wings emulations. the verbs are ok. the stock peq is good enough. the ssl g comp clone sucks. i have a 500 series and waves ssl plug along with other plugs. the wing is the worst. now when i insert waves i can have 8 diff plugins. most of them with little to no latency. the waves stuff is just killer
One answer, you don't have to pay tax if you have your own church, God Provided the Devils Tool (Behringer Dude might not make heaven) Just trying to decide is it something for the Home user, looks great but might just be a little too big, I was going to go for just a motor fader unit, but after hearing the noise from the X-Touch I've decided I can get by without...does this have motor faders & are they quiet & smooth. @@alexleebataller
why would you use auto tune when singing for god? It seems like a lie. It isn't the real voice or emotion. so.. that seems wrong. Plus other than t pain, it is always a bad musical choice for honesty in performance.
Hey guys! Wing 2.0 Template is in the works! I will be uploading a new video as well as creating a commerce page on my website in order to release everything for sale. It will include everything inside this build as well as new things I've implemented to my Snapshot!
Wing effects are spectacular for this price range. Can't wait for the Wing rack in a few months. I've seen people complaining that they prefer the A&H (and others) model of a huge effects library & buy licenses for the ones you want. Be careful what you wish for... I work on an old Avid D-show (circa 2008) at one venue, over the years the system drive has been replaced & the license keys lost. Nobody has a clue what was licensed or how to prove the purchase to Avid. So we are stuck with this supposedly stadium grade board with a stupidly limited set of onboard effects. Enjoy the fact that Behringer gives you a great selection of effects built right into the firmware, and 10 or 15 years from now, you'll still have access to every one of them.
Still one of my favorite videos. I love your technique and sound so much. Fixing to buy my wing and this video will give me a huge jump when I start setting it up for our band. Thanks again.
Thanks so much, I'm glad to hear it! Check out my most recent video, I updated a lot of stuff on the setup.
This is by far the best overview of this board that I've seen. Mix sounds fantastic. Such a fantastic board.
Thanks Keith!
@@alexleebataller No thank you. Seriously.
Great video! I'm a volunteer worship leader at a small church that just bought a Wing a few years back. I dont have much training on live sound so this video has been clutch in helping expand my skill set. Thank you for putting this out!
Thanks for the kind words Andrew!
There is a phase issue i guess on the drum overheads but other than that great mix overall. Very well done.
No phasing here, it’s intentional hi-passing to remove low end from the overheads and create space for the kick, snare, and toms to live.
ya, it sounds like a short delay doubled, imo i think the “paralell” compression isnt delay compensated or something. imo the parallel compression can be done right in-line without using a seperate bus
@@alexleebataller Yea, same here on the phasing. Great mix template. Thanks!
I feel very lucky to have been given the wing and to have seen this video. Thank you so much for generously sharing your good mixing skills.
I have been considering this board for quite some time for our band. Currently on a X32 and the wing just seems to have boatloads more power epsecially in the effects processing. I enjoyed watching your techniques and I think you have come up with a great overall sound. Congrats and thanks for a great video.
Sidechain compression:
The overhead compressor will not engage with the overhead signal. It will compress the overhead signal when the snare (sidechain) level hits the threshold.
Well said! Super confusing way to describe it on my part, not sure if I got there on the vid but that’s how I meant it!
Bro I absolutely love your sound and what the band is doing in this mix🤟🏽
Much appreciated! This is our house band at GTWY Church.
Got to try this board for the past few months, and loved it so much, I had to have one. Great video , second time watching this and its inspiring me to try some things like the extra bus sends for drums and vocal. The plugins on this board sound amazing I must say. Pretty hard to beat for the price of this board.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome Bro!!! Great Sound...
Sounds amazing, keep doing it.
Thanks for having done that video. Please, keep doing some! (we just got the Wing and are still getting used to it!)
Thanks, will do!
youre a beast! just upgraded to wing from x32 and im already in love
Great video! Behringer really outdid themselves with this tool
Thank you! They really did!
I'm glad to hear that Behringer "fixed" the FX timing issue with the Wing console. WIth the X32, the FX racks were not delay compensated so it could really screw with your mixes sound unless you were aware of this and compensated for it.
It may not be “fixed”, but the processing is definitely faster on the Wing. I haven’t noticed time misalignment with parallel bussing.
And you won't notice without measuring then you might..
@@pressorv right you are! thankfully mixing 101 says that if it sounds good, then it is good!
@@alexleebataller yes, but mixing 501 says verify your assumptions you may just learn to hear things you might be overlooking.
@@pressorv great advice bro!
Nice video and a great mix! As an X32 user I enjoyed seeing some of the cool things you can do with the wing.
There are a couple of minor things with the mix I think you can improve if you're interested.
1. I really like what you did with the tape saturation on the drum smash group, but unfortunately since it's on an insert it knocks the whole bus out of time with the dry channels and causes harsh comb filtering. I've run into the same exact issue using the X32.
You can test if it's really the tape saturation by soloing all your drums, turning down the tape sim to where it's doing practically nothing, and toggle it on and off. You should still be able to hear a huge difference, especially in the high end. It will impart a harsh digital tonality, and if you look at the RTA on LR you'll also be able to see the numerous notches in the spectrum this creates on the entire drum sound.
2. I don't know about your venue of course, but at least in mine, panning individual elements as wide as 40% doesn't yield ideal results. Despite my venue's speakers being at most 40ft apart, most of the audience is not in a place where they can hear both speakers equally, at all. A vast majority will hear one speaker drastically louder than the other one across the room from them, meaning anything you pan too hard is going to get lost in the mix for people on one side of the room, and be too loud for people on the other side. You end up with a wider mix for people in the middle, but an inconsistent mix for people on either side of the room. It's not a very good tradeoff in my opinion. If you haven't considered this before I'd really recommend walking to either side of the room and concentrating on the guitars and the toms.
Here's a good video regarding the specifics of this: th-cam.com/video/DHlbu9qupOo/w-d-xo.html
3. The autotune is introducing some unwanted artifacts. Sometimes you can hear it pulling the vocalist to the wrong note and it's a bit distracting.
Example: 38:26 - the front part of the "oh" gets garbled, and on the word "jesus" the "us" part quickly snaps between two notes. You can hear similar artifacts elsewhere. These artifacts can really mess up the emotional aspect of the vocal.
IMO, the speed and amount should be turned down a bit, maybe half of the current setting for both.
Sweet vid man. Learned a lot of new techniques. We are a mobile church so soundcheck time is limited. Mic placement changes week to week haha. But overall we have a pretty consistent sound
I appreciate that! I’m glad I could help in anyway 🙏🏻
Thank you for posting this ! I'm learning a lot. Could it be that you have a phase issue on those overheads ? As a drummer I'm really surprised by how thin (phasy) the cymbals sound for exemple here 22:06 26:14
Hey thanks Josua! No phasing here, it’s intentional hi-passing to remove low end from the overheads and create space for the kick, snare, and toms to live.
Not trying to be a douche, but that parallel bus is definitely making the drum mix phasie baby haha! You're mix sounds killer tho!! We run a wing at church too, and I love it!
Try to throw all your drums into just a dry bus, and don’t send the individual inputs to the master bus. Then send the dry bus as well as the parallel to the master bus. Boom, phase annihilated. The wing doesn't do manual delay compensation, so in order to keep everything in time, you've gotta send related sources to the same level of processing in order to avoid phase issues. This is also true for the inserts, so like if you have an effect rack inserted on snare top and not snare bottom they'll come out of time with each other, but just engaging the insert slot with nothing in there will put it in time delay compensation wise with everything else.
I did some round trip testing after this video dropped to see latency in all routes. I’m planning to release them all in another video. Would love to see any testing results or documentation if you have any.
That's sick, yea I've scoured everywhere to try and find documentation on the exact sample or millisecond numbers and couldn't find em anywhere. I do know that the regular channel path is 48 samples (gate, eq, and comp) I don’t know how many samples each insert point is tho.
Wait that's not right, went to test and found some crazy stuff
Great video. Really helpful tips. I feel like I’m hearing combing happening with your drums because of the bus parallel processing. How are you compensating for the latency of the bus when parallel processing the kick and snare?
SO GOOD
This definitely sounds better that my live stream 😅 sound so good!!! If you ever take a trip to San Diego we could definitely use your help, just name your price
Thanks Chris!
@@alexleebataller Sale me your wing template, it will definitely give me a good starting point for my live stream audio, i have a hybrid setup with the wing and waves super rack but i'm struggling aligning the timing, your setup sounds very good just with the wing itself
@@chrisj5643 email me, creative@gatewayshelbyville.com
I'm nee to heavily processing through busses. can you explain how you set up your workspace to send to mains? do you use DCA's?
Great Video.Great mix.
Can you please share the multi-tracks file with me?For practice and education use. Thanks.
Recommend a big cut in the kick at 170, and a cut at 310 on the snare. And reduce your mic volume (as compared to the tracks).
My question is durability I saw a used one at Guitar Center that seemed broken. My experience with Behringer is that they make affordable products that break easily. Back in the days they copied the Mackie mixer all I remembered were the power supply blowing up. Three blew up on me. How durable will you say it is and how do you compare their plun emualions compare do UAD and others?
I’d be more concerned if you saw a NEW one that seemed broken lol. This one has been rock solid.
They did an outstanding job with their emulations!
@@alexleebataller ok good that is the confirmation I needed
Great video and a nice sounding band . One correction thou the compressor you used on the master is actually the ssl channel compressor not the Buss comp .cheers
Cool!
Sickkkkkkk
Something seems slightly phasey, but still an impressive mix!
It’s not slight my friend. I agree
It’s the parallel channels, he is using different compressors on each parallel process. The wing doesn’t have auto delay compensation but there’s a workaround which is to use the same compressors for each process.
Parallel universe here. I mix at Gateway Church, Parkesburg, PA. Also on X32, considering Wing as next step. Using X32R for IEMs and could just replace FoH X32 pretty easily and use rack for inputs. What do you use for your stagebox? We have what I could say is a similar size stage and room to what your GTWY online videos show from services. Nearing our limits on capability on X32 especially in terms of effects. Considering Avantis but costs are higher than we can really justify.
That’s awesome brother!
We use Midas DL32. You will just need to be creative on which channels your send to your X32 for IEM, since you’ll increase your count to 48 (stereo capable) channels on the wing. The I/O capability for wing is in the hundreds, can’t remember the exact max.
@@alexleebataller Thanks - and the plug-ins on the Wing seems to be a great solution - I clicked into the video right into the AC Gtr and it was playing in stereo and I see you just put a Reverb right onto the channel (since it's stereo, you're done there) but hearing the guitar in stereo jumps out at me as an x32 guy - to do that requires a bus or other trick to get the haas effect. Instead of having to do a stereo pair of buses in the X32 and eat two of 12 and then have to mix further into the matrix for final output. So many are using an X32 basically to mix all mono channels into one stereo pair of buses and calling it a day for their online feeds. I find that lacking and the Wing will blow all that away.
Great mix sir! I know it's only a demonstration, but my only note is the autotune settings. Its really messing up her vocal performance in obvious, funky ways. Either the Amount has to be dialed down or it's set to the wrong key, unless the plugin itself is not too accurate in its tracking ability. Excellent video nevertheless!
Great mix, learned lot of things from it. God bless
Thank you!
We have a wing at our church as well, I love it! But has anyone experienced the issue where the board freezes (all fader, mute control, meters, etc...) usually just restarting the board corrects the issue but I wanted to know if y'all had a long term fix for this?
I’ve had this happen a few times, I noticed it’s an issue with the USB drives I had plugged in. At least that was part of the reason it will do that.
@Lee Bataller yeah. I was charging my iPad with it and it would induce the problem for sure. But it occasionally happens without that.
Thanks for the demo, very informative. Can i insert, instead of make a bus for reverb?
You can insert and blend the mix to your liking!
Very cool video. Thanks for this. Is there a way we can download the raw tracks? I’m looking to find tracks to practice
Hi, does the emulations on channels give us some kind of distortion/saturation or non linear behaviors, or only model the settings?
Great video! Thank you for posting this. Are you running a separate monitoring console? I love your approach to parallel processing, but I have to use 10 buses just for ears. It doesn't leave me much room for groups.
Thanks Dale! We are not currently running a monitor console. I run 8 busses of monitoring as well as the groups/parallel busses.
Couple Questions: Are you using all 16 busses? What reverb plugin are you running on the electric guitars?
14 busses total. I’m using 8 busses for monitoring, 3 busses for drum processing, 3 for vocal processing. I’m not running any verb effects on the EGs. It’s all from the pedalboard reverbs. Big sky I think
@@alexleebataller Those EGs sound really nice..
When running live, do you leave Pitch Fix in Chromatic mode? We're getting the wing at my church soon and pitch fix is a selling point for sure
I actually use Major Scales. I have all of the major scales on presets that I can quickly recall for song changes, I have them for sale in a pack on my website!
question! on your busses are you sending those to the mains or no?
Check out my new video, I explain in depth how the busses output!
Hi, man.
My name is Iliézer Savergnini, I'm from Brazil.
Thank you for your teachings.
Can you teach me how to put the Waves plugins on my Wing 48?
God bless your life.
idk man, the guys at mxu said the wing is bad, so this vid must be fake news.
LOL JK. Incredible mix and incredible video. Keep it up!
Fight the power! ✊🏻 it’s all a bunch of conspiracy! 🪧
Thanks y’all!
Well Cody did just get one for his church, so we don't hate it thatttttt much. :P We just hate the lack of a product manual from the company that makes the board still 2 years later, real issues with reliability, the fact there are still some functions to this day that no one knows what they do.... etc.
Great sounds are absolutely possible with the Wing though. ;)
I believe the guy at MxU said he won't reccomend it to churches. I believe the wing is more of a touring console
@@fausterkodjohkromoah-kwame5245 that’s absurd, lol. I would 100% recommend it to churches.
@@alexleebataller i use one in my church to in Ghana... but like the MxU guys said there are other functions that know knows how to go about them because there isn't a manual yet...
The issue I have with many mix engineers today, is the overuse of waves plugins. Mixes sound like studio rather than live, losing all the wonderful elements of a LIVE performance. If you can't get a great sound from the wing, then one's skills should be questioned rather than add masses of plugins.
Is this scene for sale?
This scene is outdated currently, but I just released a new scene available for sale on my website leebataller.com! I also made a new video on my channel explaining it!
can i buy that scene?
Email me, creative@gatewayshelbyville.com
@@alexleebataller ok great thanks ...i will do that now
@@alexleebataller I just emailed you
How would this make Soundgrid obsolete? Does this have DSP plugin offloading and near real-time
completely agree. i have a wing and have waves soundgrid integration. not the same
i personally dont really like nost of the wings emulations. the verbs are ok. the stock peq is good enough. the ssl g comp clone sucks. i have a 500 series and waves ssl plug along with other plugs. the wing is the worst. now when i insert waves i can have 8 diff plugins. most of them with little to no latency. the waves stuff is just killer
Need Hindi Langwage
Oh God why do only Churches make video's on this?
Do you want the serious answer or the funny answer? Lol
One answer, you don't have to pay tax if you have your own church, God Provided the Devils Tool (Behringer Dude might not make heaven) Just trying to decide is it something for the Home user, looks great but might just be a little too big, I was going to go for just a motor fader unit, but after hearing the noise from the X-Touch I've decided I can get by without...does this have motor faders & are they quiet & smooth. @@alexleebataller
why would you use auto tune when singing for god? It seems like a lie. It isn't the real voice or emotion. so.. that seems wrong. Plus other than t pain, it is always a bad musical choice for honesty in performance.