We interviewed the Mozart of Gen Z
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00:00 Who is Jacob Collier?
01:33 The Grammy’s and meeting Jacob at TH-cam Brandcast
02:42 Being born into this era
05:28 Contributing vs participating on TH-cam
12:50 His early success on TH-cam
18:15 The relief of feeling seen creatively
20:00 School vs being self-taught
29:45 Meeting Quincy Jones and Herbie Hancock
36:40 Performing in your room vs for an audience
40:06 Does Jacob get nervous?
41:27 Dealing with the “genius” label
46:55 Audience choirs
51:15 His family life
58:25 Being present in the creative process
1:00:26 Dreams are overrated
1:02:38 The primary currency of trust
1:08:45 Creative infinity syndrome
1:11:25 Debating Rick Rubin
1:18:42 Jacob’s videos
1:28:30 A deep dive into Jacob’s creative process
1:43:40 What Djesse Vol. 4 really means
1:54:45 Writing originals vs re-arranging
2:01:17 His magical powers
2:02:47 AI in music
2:14:59 What Jacob watches on TH-cam
2:17:10 TikTok vs Universal Music Group
2:20:05 Jacob’s sense of style
2:21:45 An impromptu songwriting exercise
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We’re Colin and Samir, creators based out of Los Angeles California. We make videos about the creator economy, and the lessons we’ve learned over 10 years of being on TH-cam. We also interview creators and try to get to the bottom of what’s working on TH-cam and where the creator economy is headed.
Thank you for having me, wonderful people!!!! ‘Twas an utter joy.
Too cool, how humble of an artist to show Gratitude:)❄️
Jacob Collier’s left croc
I love your fit in this interview
You’re incredible, man! The new album is nuts! The mix is massive! 🫶🏼🥂
You're handsome. And brilliant.
"My job isn't to know who I am. My job is to make space for who I am"
that line hit me so hard man wow
Think how this would be abused by any unapologetic "that's me" jerk though... "Express yourself" is good only when yourself is a decent person
Way to see the negative in everything thank you
@@famatu right??? Like can we just appreciate a beautiful positive moment? Shitty people exist but it doesn’t do anyone any favors by constantly shedding light on them 🤷🏻♂️
1@@foljs5858
I agree that it is not beautiful, and has some flaws.
The teacher that gave Jacob the final cut express disk is absolutely legendary. Imagine being that person and knowing you contributed in some small way to all the Jacob has accomplished
he literally risked his job to help Jacob
pretty sure I know that guy, I went to the same school as Jacob a few years after him lol
@@connorcmusician crazy!!!
It wasn't a small way. He gave Jacob permission to edit and mix his sounds. I can't think of anything that would be more impactful than that at such an early stage.
I think we've all had these 'unsung heroes' in our lives at one point and we were probably one of them to someone too. even just a kind gesture can literally save someone and is such a divine thing you can do to another human being.
"My job is to make space for who I am." what an incredible quote for any artist.
@@MarcBossermanBut you gotta make space first! ❤
"Nobody wanted to be me
But someone had to be me
So I voluntiered." (Frank Zappa)
Everything Jacob Collier says and do is utterly boring and primitive. The "complexity", "genius" and "talent" is some kind of projection on him coming from the mentally limited people in his audience. People want to be him, so they attach all those imaginary epithets on him. Then just because he is nice like a manipulative salesman, he can get away with anything. The music sucks bad and is beyond the horizon of hell. The music and the spoken word from Collier sucks like a black hole. But even worse is that his salesman talent is overshadowing everything about and around him. He is even potentially able to sell "assisted suicide" service in Switzerland to the most happy people in his own audience. He is the false prophet more popular than the original prophet, also with the initials JC.
@MarcBosserman There's a lot of difference between the two sentiments.
For anyone not just artists amazing individual
This interview demonstrates that the genius of Jacob does not solely derive from his musical skills or abilities, but rather from his thought process and creative thinking. He exhibits remarkable self-awareness and intelligence, enabling him to deconstruct every complex idea he conveys through his music. It is rare to find someone engaged in such a creative process and capable of articulating it so succinctly.
Precisely so. He thinks and talks in whole sentences, whole paragraphs, with a rich and appropriate vocabulary. Its clear this stuff has been in his head and considered for a long time.
Completely agree!
It helps that he's done numerous interviews over the years. Initially, these thoughts and ideas didn't come out fully formed.
oooof so good
what did you think about his take on Rick Rubins book? It felt quite abrupt given the open mindedness portrayed in the rest of the interview.
"Your heroes are people that reveal that things are possible for you." - spot on!
This interview made me realize that what I love most about Jacob Collier isn't his talent, or his arrangements or... even his performances, all of which are of course *mind blowing*.
It's how well he understands himself and how much he loves who is and what he does.
To me, that is the single most inspiring thing about him, and it is absolutely electric. That's the inner understanding that I think I am always striving for as a musician.
He definitely loves who he is
For me it’s the hair😊.
Absolutely he's wise beyond his years.
There's a video on TH-cam of JC giving masterclass lessons/talks to undergraduate students in an American conservatoire ( I think) .
What was amusing to watch was, not only were the students hanging on his every word , but the middle aged lecturers were as well!
Totally. I’ve always felt the same about Julian Lage, too.
The amount of empathy that comes from Jacob is phenomenal. I bet this is foundation of his career.
Never thought I’d see this collab. This guy is a musical genius
You’ve gone and kicked him into the sky!
you moved to the country in the state of war to make hyped thumbnails? why not the other country?
LMAO@@hacker6284
bro did not read the thumbnail
bro didn’t watch the video lmao
I had never seen Jacob prior to this, but this is the most absorbed I have ever been in a conversation on this channel. There’s such a refreshing level of maturity with his viewpoints, I can see the care he has for this passion. Genius isn’t the right word at all, he’s an inspiration!
Same, what an impressive young guy.
"You don't have to come in blazingly contributive." I love that quote. And I love that Jacob's first video, of just the visualizer, is still up on TH-cam. I noticed that just the other day.
Right? SO good!
A 2,5 hour interview with Jacob? I shall watch the whole thing in one sitting. Can't get enough ❤
Yep, except I found this on my way to work so I’ll only be watching the first 30 mins😂😢
I couldn't watch it all in one sitting because I kept rewinding it to take notes and transcribe all his quotable wisdom. He is so refreshingly self-aware and egoless That is his superpower. He was bitten by a radioactive ... Buddha? or something! 😆 He is just overflowing with wisdom and humility.
Yeah he's incredibly zen, its amazing. His whole attitude is just inspiring. I'd say anyone, musician or not, could feel inspired by listening to him. @PureJadeKid @@PureJadeKid
Jacob Collier is outrageously talented. Love his music
im so incredibly glad he's found mainstream success
Yea man, tbh I had lost faith in what sells today in modern pop music, but I think Jacob is bringing true mastery back in vogue with his popularity and hopefully inspire a new generation.
Shout out to that teacher who gave Jacob Final Cut Express. What an absolute show of faith in a student's talents. Teachers rule and deserve the world!
I'm in my early sixties and have been making music for most of my life. I can't remember the last time I was so inspired by someone half my age. Jacob's humility and authenticity is simply beautiful.
Same here--I’m a lifelong musician and composer- in my 60’s- Jacob has made time stand still for me. Sublime talent.
Two of the most beautiful quotes.
1. You don’t need to know what you are doing, as the people that dont know what they are doing are the ones that make the most interesting work.
2. It’s not how many people I reach, it’s the amount of people I reach that I move..
beauty is in the eye of the beholder i guess.... those are pretty shallow.
Wagner knew what he was doing. Beethoven knew. Mozart knew. Bach knew.
I had to double take when I saw Jacob Collier was on the show. Amazing!
Arrowstotle! Big Fan!
Had never heard of Jacob but now after this interview, I consider myself a fan. Probably one of the best conversations I've listened to and with such insightful information and advice! Thanks guys
The fact that my Jacob Collier world is mixing with my TH-cam world is outrageous. I've been waiting for this moment for about 5 years now... Thanks so much for this, I cannot express how happy I am!
How could Jacob not be a part of your TH-cam world? 🤔 ;-)
jacob is utterly in a league of his own and we are blessed to have him share his art with us! looking forward to watching this!!!
Until he sings, his voice is a complete joke.
disagree but you can have your opinion!@@SteveJobIess
@SteveJobIess let's hear you sing? Or play dozens of instruments? Or improvise with some of the greatest jazz musicians of all time?
@@Noah-lj2sg let's hear you say you like his voice? and good job, compare Jacob to me, who has no talent, then maybe his goofy voice will sound somewhat passable. No doubt he has otherworldly talent in so many areas, including his otherworldly comical voice.
@@SteveJobIess L bait
The color choice of Jacob's turtleneck/sweater fitting in seamlessly with the Colin & Samir hex codes 💙 💛 [The chair makes an awesome color sandwich!]
Looking forward to filling the rest of today with this interview!
He is so genuine and kind. Lovely to watch.
The professor who dropped the CD must feel so good seeing where Jacob is today.
Colin & Samir. I can't say that I am a loyal or even an avid follower of your channel. But I do, on occasion, watch it. This interview with Jacob was brilliant. Enlightening. And it makes me smile that there are young people out there like Jacob. His understanding of who he is-is incredible. He just gave a masterclass on one's self.
1:43:03
"The absence of something is itself the meaning...everything we need is already here...our job is to remove the things that aren't helpful so we can see the thing that's here."
This is immensely profound. The highest form of this would be to remove the ego -- in essence observing our own egos via the lens of our True Selves/Higher Nature. The state of Enlightenment.
God Bless.
Can we all please agree on how nice his voice is, gosh dang
actually no
There are many aspects to this of course.
He's a baritone which gives his voice a very nice depth & tone.
His accent is received pronunciation. An English accent associated with the BBC of yore.
He went to a private school in North London and they'd've all largely spoken 'posh'.
I think this is another aspect of him just being himself.
Having a posh accent can often be derided as being privileged or self entitled for example.
That's often why some people affect a different accent, 'mockney' or multicultural London, in order to fit in and be seen to be cool.
JC doesn't suffer from such self consciousness and speaks just the way he always did.
It's another example of him being just himself and whatever one's accent it's fine.
Very expensive private school fees to get a voice like his.
It is not only for the good fortune of the individual to have a talent such as his to be fostered through a privileged upbringing, but it is such great fortune for the true enrichment of culture.
There has definitely also been an element of cultural timing, that he speaks of here, to allow acceptance of such privilege, in a way that avoids the limitations of the typical reverse-snobbery that we can even see in this short comment thread.
@@chrisjames1924also: he wasn’t pressured into musicianship, and yet he gave up the violin by age 4 lol
Jacob coming in hot with the Rick Rubin slander was so unexpected lol
Rick Rubin is a charlatan.
@@jayandgemno
@@FromPoetryToRap We don't have to agree.
@@jayandgem don’t speak your opinion like it’s fact bro 😂
i don't think 'slander' the right word. I'd prefer 'disagreement'. Like I'm doing with you ;). I'd love to see Rick and Jacob have a conversation!
The oxford languages google dictionary definition of slander: 'the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation'
This more than any other interview I am feeling two of my worlds colliding and it brings me such joy that Colin and Samir know Jacob Collier! I've been really focusing on his music in the past few weeks because of the new release and this is very well timed
What an incredible interview 🤯
Also for everyone struggling with the title, he can still be the Mozart of a generation, even if he's not in that generation
JACOB we all love you for making us feel God again with your music - me absolutely - your journey through the joy of harmonies reminding us again that the whole universe is MUSIC. You are an ambassador of this knowledge that lives in all of us - all who can and want to understand it. You give people back the feeling of love in what you do. I am over 60 and for the first time in my life I am so happy to be able to experience a brilliant musician who brings music into this often terrible world that touches my heart so much that I often cry with feelings of happiness. THANK YOU Jacob, that you exist.
Well said - AMEN!
Never heard of Jacob before. but this conversation was so enriching for the soul. a lot of feelings I have been having but havent been able to pin point or articulate to myself.
Thanks a lot C&S this one is golden!
I never expected to see Jacob on this channel, but it actually makes so much sense.
Same here! And it makes so so much sense!!!
Wow, didn’t expect this. Good for you guys
The teacher not following POLICY brought a tear to my eye. That was a beautiful moment. Edit: to be clear, most policies should be followed. If the policy and the right thing conflict…do the right thing.
He breaks every preconception I have about writing music. Normally I would make an argument that joyful songs are always uninspired, unemotional, and boring because joy isn't a creatively compelling emotion in the way that sadness, anger, longing, resent, regret, etc. are.. For someone like me lyrics and music are therapy so they are turned to in times of need... and in the few instances where Artists have made happy sounding music artistic, the lyrics typically juxtapose the happy music with a dark flare. Think Beatles, Guster, DMB, etc. Yet all of Jacob's music seems to come from a place of Joy and it's extremely inspired, and emotionally compelling. He is truly inspiring.
So therapeutic so eye-opening so meditative and so healing to hear everything that Jacob has to say I’m so glad that this podcast is 2 1/2 hours long. Oh my gosh I could listen to this again and again.❤❤❤❤
Agree!!
I’ve never heard of this guy and I think “delightful” is the word I would use to describe him. He just seems like such a gem of a young man
I love the part about Rick Rubin, Of all the content I've been witness of from Jacob, his speech is rarely confrontational. But, in this moment he has a direct counter opinion of Rick's book which provides a creatively refined outlook. Rick Rubin and Jacob Collier, two people that are creative idols, two people that are about art in it's rawest form, can still have differing outlooks on where that purity is the most refined. Two sides of the same coin. It's quite a beautiful juxtaposition.
Absolutely- so good. I would actually love to see Rick interview Jacob- that would be so interesting!
I personally think Jacob is misunderstanding Ricks philosophy. Rick doesn't think there is one way to make anything, completely the opposite actually. What he does believe, fervently, is that if your focus while making art is solely on the audience, you will lose your way. Art should have deep meaning to you the creator and secondarily to the consumer.
@@Hive5ive Nailed it.! Thank you!!
@@brianwaugh9249 I appreciate you 🙌
"Heroes are people who make things possible for you." Can you imagine the number of people who feel that way about Jacob. What a joyful, driven, inspiring human. ✨
The thumbnail got me for the first time. Ive never watched any of your guys' videos with a guest that I wasn't already a fan of. But I saw the thumbnail and I was too curious to skip over it. The first minute hooked me immediately and the whole episode was great.
Jimmy would be proud.
What an incredibly enriching program and discussion - not only for music but also for living life. Colin and Samir you are wonderful hosts and conversationalists. This was such a pleasure to listen to. And Jacob - he is one of my most favorite humans beings .... oh, and he does music too.
literally the most insanely talented person i have ever seen. Glad this collab happened
Every interview on here I think is the best interview so far but this…THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE BEST ONE. So much insight. Thank you
I love your interview Colin and Samir
Oh my god my worlds are colliding! Ive been so hyped about Djesse 4 and now seeing this interview is surreal!
I love Jacob Collier more than most people. I really adore and relate to the pureness of his musical interest. Thank you to Colin and Samir for being wonderful interviewers too and allowing him to shine even further. 🙂
Showed up for Jacob. Subbed because of the two of you.
Fantastic interview. Lot's of people have interviewed Jacob, but this is the most comprehensive summary of so many of his thoughts. I love how you brought in his quotes. It really let him dive further into why he feels that way. It was really cool to hear him respond to your views of his thoughts. The balance was great.
This is exactly what we needed, one of best interviews by far!!
ugh so many gems!!! I needed this so much
“This is my voice, it’s the voice of others; it’s when I can offer whatever courage I have to you to use your voice. That’s me speaking, that’s me singing.” What an incredible thing to to give to the world. What a wonderful motivation. I also sang in one of his audience choirs, and he gave me courage, and uplifted me. I always say I’ll remember that gig for the rest of my life. Thank you Jacob
Incredible conversation with so many wonderful insights and nuggets of knowledge- thanks to all three of you!
Ohhh I love that you got him on the show! I’ve been to his concert twice now (once with an orchestra other time at a festival) and he’s just really that good.
This has been so thought provoking. Thanks for being Jacob on to the show and building such a wonderful conversation with him. I’m so inspired to create when I hear him discuss his own story.
I’m going to see him in a couple of months playing live in Salt Lake!
YES please keep making these super long interviews. I LOVE them!
I don't think I've been so excited to watch one of your interviews... and I watch all of them...
Transcendent. Thank you for taking your time. I have so much gratitude for this.
Omg, I absolutely adore Jacob and his music. This interview is going to feed my soul. Thankyou!
Look at “Under the Bridge” a deeply personal poem that Kiedis wrote that had great meaning to him. Rick discovered it and urged him to present it to the band. He took the personal and brought it to the masses. It’s why it resonates deeply.
The masses connect with it but not in the way that Kiedis does and that’s why it’s art.
OMG THANK YOU FOR THIS
came for jacob, got absolutely mindblown by his thinking, stayed for you, subscribed, whatched more videos. Im glad i found this boat to sail on.
What an incredible person. I would absolutely love to sit and chat with Jacob, he I such a linguist and has such a brilliant capacity for stimulating conversion.
Jacob is a musician but it seems he’s also a fascinating philosopher. He speaks so eloquently here, every line he says has such incredible depth. Thank you guys for this beautiful conversation.
wow. I was not expecting him to openly criticize rick Rubin like that. It was thoughtful and genuine but took me completely by surprise.
Watching Jacob impassioned about Rick Rubin’s philosophy was so good. I was enthralled watching that.
Omg I clicked this without looking at the length thinking it’d be one of those short, snappy interviews, so when I realized this was 2 and a half hours it felt like Christmas. So excited to listen!
My head exploded seeing this on my feed. Jacob is such a massive talent in so many ways, and it’s wonderful seeing him on my favorite creative talk show. Thank you all so much for this incredible collaboration 💛
Thank you, Colin, Samir, and Jacob, for contributing to the world. Valuable thoughts, joys and perspectives are plenty to catch!
Jacob made me not end my life when my skull was damaged and hes always gonna be #1 for me
What an amazing conversation, Jacob is amazing!
I just watched the entire interview... What a pleasure!! you guys did a fantastic job , gently tapping into deep and exciting topics. Jacob never ceases to amaze me... what a legend
This is a deeply and thoroughly inspiring and creative talk and I really appreciate you guys for conversating with him. He is truly one of a kind and you guys are FANTASTIC interviewers. Every single question was on point! Thank you Colin and Samir!
Thanks C&S ❤ This is the collab I needed. Jacob is one of the most inspiring, service-driven, and generous spirits I know of. Soooo much to learn from his perspective.
Service-driven- YES!!!! And of course all of the above....but I love his heart and giving spirit.
Amazing talk, especially about "messy action" or happy accidents that are part of the process. His wisdom is unmatched.
Jacob is easily one of my favorite artists. I’m so glad you spoke with him! This will be a worthwhile listen.
Thank you for this great interview!! No number of interviews is enough when it's Jacob
Yes! It's not that I don't enjoy you interviewing experts in the business and technical side of being a creator, but I just enjoy when you get a little out of that niche. Jacob is such an interesting personality, that I am eager to hear what he's got to say. Great job, C&S!
This is genuinely the best interview I've ever seen about creativity. Great job by everyone.
I found Jacob during COVID and so glad I did! He’s such an amazing human. Thank you for sharing your world with us!
i’ve been a subscriber to you two since middle school and you were mainly posting lacrosse videos! i’m now almost 22 and love the direction you have taken the channel. watching this video made me think about how you used both of your strengths in commentating and questioning to change what you create and it’s paying off well. keep up the good work guys and i love the content.
Wonderful open conversation.
I never really understood Jacob before and where he was coming from but now I feel like I do and I really like him
Lots of wonderful life advice to learn from; how to live creatively, happily and with good mental health
Thanks for sharing
dude inspired me to get back into drumming along with that Drumeo channel. Been like 6 years since i played consistently and im so appreciative.
This is my favorite interview you guys have done YET!!! I'm not surrounded or know any artist like this with this fluidity to themselves and the art. I really needed this insight! Thank you guys for another banger interview 🙏🏽💯❤🔥
Thank you for this interview!! What a gift!!
That moment when Jacob looked down the camera right at me, gave me a note and moved it. He conveys such strong intention - I sang; he changed my note. It felt amazing and strangely intense - like hypnotism. 😊
hearing that jack conte was an original supporter and inspiration is such a full dang circle moment for me, watching this. love this planet
Collier is on the on the level of a "micheal Jordan" at what he does. Never ever expected u guys would interview him.
Eyes closed listening to this as i wanted to sleep, the sound effect got me.
You guys are legends. Looking forward to watching this. Was just calling him the Mozart of our generation the other day!
So refreshing to hear someone in the public eye talk about Rick Rubin critically.
I love Rick, I think he's a genius in his actions and a fool with his words
I was really struck by how strongly Jacob spoke against Rick Rubin ideas and his book. Great interview!
That's the 2nd comment I've read like this... I can't wait to get to that part... but I don't want to ffwd😮😂. I didn't read any of Rick's books, but I saw a couple interviews... I think I must've missed the problematic stuff, so I'm curious to hear about what Jacob noticed.
i would definitely recommend reading the creative act by rick. i think jacob misunderstood the core message. which is why a long form conversation between the two is so needed. there's alot to uncover@@GizzyDillespee
Loved the intro! So creative and beautiful with that directing moment right to camera. Well done to whoever figured that out. Such a creatively stimulating conversation. I was listening to it with a friend and then we immediately went and had our own 3hr conversation about feeling and meaning. ❤
Just an amazing hang out. Loved it.
"I don't think Rick's audience is creative people, I think his audience is people who aren't creative for whom creativity is novel."
Jacob not holding back. Love to see it.
ruthless indeed, but couldn't be further from the truth. The people I know who have bought this book are deep in the creative process and feel it to be a great resource for the obstacles we face as artists. It was the only part of the interview I really didn't resonate with.
yeah, it's a very arrogant take based on his insecurities. Rubin has both credibility and commercial success, Collier is just credible. @@spike8683
Jacob really missed the mark here. Rick’s perspective, for anyone interested, is to prompt openness and to question the nature of art itself. Listen to any of his long form talks or the artists who he collaborates with. Jacob was clearly projecting his own stuff onto the text as if Rick assumes himself to be some sort of guru. This is how he is perceived culturally by many who don’t actually investigate or orient themselves to his work.
I think he felt protective of his own drive to create for others. I could totally see where he was coming from, even though I'm currently enjoying Rick Rubin's book. If you're a creative practitioner and thinker, I can also see how the book may not be as useful to you as you're already living and breathing it. He just basically wants to have like a boxing match with another wonderful artist on the planet, and I can't wait to see that conversation!
The Mozart of Gen Z is a millennial
Shhhhh details, details…
This was also my first thought. But this is incredibly common in the music industry. Like the Beatles are the music of the boomers but they are all silent generation. It makes sense that the people that are making music that is appealing to the youth are maybe slightly older than those youths themselves
Man, I have to pause this one throughout. Only 22 minutes in and I am already feeling deeply inspired.
Cannot wait to listen to this conversation over, and over, and over again. Favorite episode to date!
You must be absolute insane to say he's like Mozart
94, he’s a millennial
i cant believe i let that whistle past me
Beatles were silent generation and they were the music of the boomers, this is pretty common that the artists appeal to people younger than them
@@willburbur3793 this is so true - Gen z is definitely his core audience
What if... Your generational identity has more to do with your thoughts, ideas, and how you move through the world around you, rather than defaulting to a assignment of expectation based on when you were born? 🤔
@@jaydoubleu42what if words don't have meaning? Or you make up your own definition for a word and everyone makes up their own definitions for every word. Then who I even say the word when I make your own sound?
Or realize words have meaning He's a millennial but just accept that is what it is and don't let labels define you. He's a millennial so what?
Don't let labels carry so much power that you want to change the definition and rules to make sure the label doesn't apply to you.
As someone who has been a fan of Jacob Collier since around 2015 or 2016, has seen him in concert multiple times, and have literal milestones and eras of my life be based around each Djesse album of his. This might be one of my favorite interviews of him. Since he has started, every interview of his has been about his musical understanding and harmony, which has been fantastic. But this is a side of Jacob I have rarely been able to see and I just love him so much more for being this open about life. Great job guys, I’m sure I will re watch this interview multiple times
maybe the best interview i've watched from y'all. definitely gonna rewatch it a few
Funny how he's the "Mozart of Gen Z", when he's technically a Millennial...