That is because by the end, there is no explanation, its just uh hum.... yeah...ahhhhh. Imagine I scientist explaining electromagnetism at the *expert* level and just saying, well you know, light shines, mmmm yeah, like so cool man, its just jus so bright man, yeah, uh hum, would you take him seriously?
@@n4rzul in an art field like music, once two professionals understand almost everything about their craft, they don't need to be specific or articulate because their peers know exactly what they mean. Nothing needs to be over-explained or simplified into baby-talk. It can be as simple or as complicated as it needs to be as long as their peer understands.
@@unlshtb4524 Yeah ! And slipping that minor chord in there absolutely made the end of their musical conversation. That young man is ballsy and I'm loving it :)
Jacob: So I don't know, when you decide to.... Herbie: *interrupts* 🎹🎹 Jacob: Oh yeah! Herbie: yeah Jacob: But you know when... *🎹🎹* Herbie: Uh yeah, and then... *🎹🎹🎹* Jacob: 🎹🎹🎹? Herbie: 🎹! Jacob: oh yeah! Herbie: Yeah Jacob: Thank you! That haunted me for days! Me: Huh?!?!
@@TeakTeakchannel so true😭i was born a vocal prodigy but i have never been able to put it into words like jacob. like he’s beyond a prodigy. i’ve been surrounded by music prodigies since i was little and have never run into someone like jacob collier😭 his understanding is just different. i would pass out and die if he showed up in front of me
...or they simply tried to hide the awkwardness of the situation. A 23-year-old dude explaining something to a 78-year-old is already kinda awkward, add to that the idea of anyone at all "explaining" music to Herbie Hancock and you get a disaster. We're talking about 1) a living legend, 2) with multiple degrees, 3) who gives university lectures of his own. Seriously? I'm not a fan of Hancock at all, I barely ever heard any of his stuff, so don't take this as a fanboy getting offended by proxy. Scroll through the comments and you'll see that people who know anything about harmony, or simply have enough commuincative skills, understand that there's no need for this "explaining" after level 2. There's no real discussion happening at all. Asking a music student if he's ever heard of the circle of fifths (something you find out in year one of learning music) - really, dude? And even when he asked Hancock for advice, he managed to do it in such a weird, condescending, smarmy way - "How do you find the courage to make a choice?". "So, you see, Herb, I'm sitting in front of my piano, and my extreme brain-power allows me to see all these endless possibilities, all these chord choices and key shifts... How do I handle all that vast richness? Oh, the pain of making a choice - something that those other plebians cannot even imagine!" So yeah, if you're in an extremely awkward situation, there's nothing to talk about, and there's a piano in front of you - what do you do? That's right - shut up and play! All while wearing a serious face, nodding along, patting each other on the back and making meaningful grunts. "Oh, yes, that was smart, you're a smart person and an expert!" "Why, of course, and that gives me the necessary expertise to pronounce you a smart expert person as well, tah-tah-tah!"
@@kathorsees everyone was like lol wtf I already know this. only the professional had the courage to try to make things interesting, but Jacob was like, nope lol I gotta stick to the script they gave me, sorry guys Cx
Level 1: when two people sing together. Level 6: yeh, right, OK, wow, o yeh, yeh, Yeh, righ right Right. MmHmm yeh yeh. Right right. Woww that's amazing.
I love the expression of the college student. He looks very engaged and interested but also polite, but you can tell that when he's asked "do you what the circle of fifths is", in his head he's thinking "who do you take me for?" LOL
I have had the opportunity to go to the Eastman school of music to visit a few times it’s pretty cool. I know you probably don’t care but most of the students there are just like him very nice polite and kind.
He's sitting there talking with Jacob Collier. He probably was secretly wetting himself in excitement. But good god, i would love to have someone in my life look at me like that while jamming.
How someone who isn’t musically inclined can know Jacob Collier is a musical savant: See how utterly mindblown the professional musician whose been playing longer than Jacob reacts to what Jacob is showing him.
Herbie Hancock hasn't just been playing music longer than Jacob Collier has been playing music. Herbie Hancock has been playing music longer than Jacob Collier has been *alive.*
It was fun watching him open up. You can tell at the beginning he's there to try his best to be a student, but he's uncomfortable due to his level of mastery. But as soon as Collier throws something at him he doesn't already understand he becomes almost childlike, and you get a window into how the true master is always ready to revel in being a student of his craft.
it was probably one of my favorite parts because it just shows you that there’s always new things to learn if a professional can learn something new then everyone can yknow
Child: *Harmony is a feeling* Teen: *Harmony is a journey* College student: *Harmony is a language* Professional: *Harmony is a world* Herbie Hancock: *Harmony is a universe*
I think it's more like Child: Harmony is a feeling Teen: Harmony is a journey College student: Harmony is a language Professional: Harmony is a world Herbie Hancock: Harmony is a feeling
It's crazy how at the highest level of music harmony, the conversation resorts to purely philosophical. I always felt that way when making music. You learn a bunch of technical stuff, and once it is imprinted onto your soul, everything else is based on feeling alone.
At the end, they were communicating solely with yeahs, rights, and hitting the keys, you didnt understand it, but you somehow get the feel of something incredible is going on
Absolutely. Music is it's own language and I don't speak that language, so the only thing I could do is follow their gestures and facial expression to try to figure out what their conversation was all about.
The greatest part to me is that even as someone who has played music for 2 decades, I got lost in the wanderings but the two of them resolved at the same time over and over, especially the final part. I could pick out some keys but how did they know when to resolve? Music is such a crazy phenomenon.
11:21 I love how Jacob and Herbie speak their own "piano language". They're talking to each other by playing their piano. The only spoken words are "yeah yeah", "right right".
As someone who takes AP music theory, when in it's in our head it makes sense but hearing someone else talk about it, it's a lot oh yeah yeah, let it sit, and realize it later
I like how Herbie says “so we say…” but then plays a note. Very cute and interesting how they each interject or finish each other’s sentences with chords instead of words
the addition of the word lonely (a very subjective and emotional term) is the only reason why the whole proposition had sense, and argumentatively this is a trap! so jacob can vindicate his own argument causing the kid believe him although it's not necessary true, how many of our experiences are this way and we live upon floating castles of thruths and meanings connected only to the emotions of our preexistent experience
The people get more and more proficient at speaking about music, until finally, they understand it so well, they speak through music. At the end, they're not even using words anymore.
Having met Jacob Collier can confirm that he is simplifying his thought process for this whole video just to be understood 😂 His instinctual understanding of technical music is amazing
I think the college kid knew more than what he said. (At least in other countries) In college you learn more about harmony than he was willing to admit.
Jacob: So here's two note Kid: ok Jacob: Here's a bunch of notes Teen: Cool Jacob: Here's a song, let's play it College Student: Awesome Jacob: Let's talk about the song Professional: Yeah, let's do it. Jacob: 🎹 Herbie: 🎹
His violin phasing piece seriously messed me up. Listening to it on cans with my eyes closed I started to get the sensation the I was spinning, faster and faster And then had to quickly throw my hands up to my neck because I was sure that the core was wrapping around my neck, only to discover I was neither spinning nor wrapping The cord around my neck.
If you're watching this for the first time and this is your first exposure to Herbie Hancock, level 5 is an understatement. You are basically staring at one of the living embodiments of music. He is a musician to the highest degree.
@@dietmarpfeffer4874 Let's take two tones that totally dont jive, C in the bass and the melody note of Db. We could harmonize that as C7b9 (CEGBbDb) or Dbmaj7(DbFAbC) in 3rd inversion, neither is a wrong answer (though what comes before and after said chord would really define what that chord could be)
That last note brought a tear to my eye that only the most powerful of songs normally do... and they weren't even playing a song, they were just having a conversation that tasted like amazing grace.
I am usually pretty good at following these vids until grad school or whatever, but this one was humbling and beautiful to watch. I felt like a child again, listening to the adults narrate a world I really haven't felt or seen before. Amazing. (I'm 43, so it has been a loooong time to feel like that).
I love how the professional started off slightly skeptical with well basically a kid "teaching" him about harmony but then just loses it when Jacob goes full Jacob...
when you barely understand a thing Jacob and Herbie are talking about but keep watching because you genuinely love the interaction and synergy these two great artists are having with each other
When that last note resolved at the end and Herbie and Jacob smiled at each other I seriously felt my eyes well up. Something about that moment was so beautiful to me.
and vice versa! to be Herbie Hancock and to jam with someone as Young as Jacob Collier and have him not just follow, but make the magic squish together harmoniously
It's amazing that all the talks were about technique and theory, then he met someone who understands as much as he does and the talk became feeling and philosophy. It's like learning grammar and then using it to make poems.
*more than he does. Respectfully, Herbie Hancock has been at it for far too long to attempt to act as if they're in the same league. Esperanto Spalding is a prodigy and I still understand d that she and Christian Mcbride aren't in the same league.
Jacob and Herbie playing together is like listening to two celestial beings having a conversation. You can't really follow what they're saying, but you know they're saying something deeply profound.
Or it's like you don't understand what is happening but you know you should probably like it because everyone else say they do. The story of every Collier comment section.
He’s absolutely right. Every profession is spoken in its own language. And how fluent you are in that language, determines your knowledge and expertise of the profession. It could be medicine, chemistry, music… etc.
I am really impressed by Jacob's ability to positively reinforce his recipients/students, and their responses to his comments. This is an excellent way to approach positive teaching, communication and cooperation in an educational situation.
That moment of mutual speechlessness at the end is just a moment where they both realize that thousands of words were said yet none could be used to describe what had just happened. It is what in The Alchemist is described as “the language of the universe”
I like how it got progressively more and more technical and once we arrived at the Hancock segment it loosened up again and turned into a something entirely about feelings rather than technicalities.
Shows that there are only two groups of people that go by feel, absolute beginners or absolute legends. But you have to go through the technicality of music stage. It's necessary. Too many "professional" musicians skip the technical foundation and just go straight to feel, which is great for performance but in terms of practice and growth and upper bounds they are stuck. They can't grow past their skill.
@@relativelybasic I love this description. As someone who is trying to teach themselves to play guitar, I love music but am not very skilled nor educated in it. So I recognized how stuck I got relying on practicing alone without learning the technicalities of music. Which is why videos like this are starting to show up in my recommends as I tried learning more about jazz and improvisation, and I realized I needed to go to this technical space in order to eventually express myself. Achieving the "feel" requires knowing the music math
@@cja4793 exactly. I hate how guitarists have a stigma of things like music theory. I'm a music major in college. Theory is very helpful. It's like calculus for engineers.
@@relativelybasic Reminds me of that literally 300-page paper proving 1+1=2. True genius is always found in carefully folding out the subtleties in plain sight. And that's doubly true with feelings.
I am a drummer for 10 years, and just recently pick up a guitar because I always want to express my other feeling not only by beat/rhythm, if you know what I am saying. Seeing jacob explained harmony, the way it feels, or how it is a world or a journey, is fascinating. I guess this is a level I want to understand in my process learning the guitar. Wish me luck!!
He was there to listen. Simple there was no need for him to speak if he knew it or not, could be shy, that could just be his personality you never know
I love how at the end, it came full circle back to basics again. The feeling and emotion in full swing, and the logistics of it weren’t verbally spoken, just expressed in a song conversation. Amazing to watch art being born!!
It was interesting to watch. I felt like HH was posing questions by introducing a few notes and then JC would respond with a whole bunch of stuff, and then HH would play a couple of notes and JC would sort of laugh and shake his head and play something else.
Because he got to hang out with Herbie Hancock and they forced it to fit it in this weird format. He could have wasted his time and explained something to him but there's nothing this guy could explain that Herbie hasn't seen.
I'm just blown away by Jacob Collier, the fact that he is just 23 and understands music so deeply. I liked that he didn't try to "educate" herbie hancock and was respectful towards him. Also love how humble herbie hancock is, a mark of a true genius!
i was in a jazz band when i was a teenanger. altough i am a metal drummer and always considered myself that, we played a few of herbie hancock's songs and i got to love music even more. no matter what kind of music you like most or what you play; just beeing with other musicians that are as fascinated by the music as you are you can make magic happen. i miss those days sometimes.
I watched this say back in middle school, and didn't understand most of it past the teenager. Now watching it again in college, I understood every spoken concept, yet still wowed by their playing. I'm proud of myself for coming so far, and amazed and inspired by Jacob's wisdom and coming closer to being at his level.
@@bubba4847 it's also a largely western song. If I berrated you for not knowing Махаббат бер маған you'd realize that pseudo pop culture music isn't applicable to every place ever
1st level: Tch, too easy. 2nd level: Okay, I got that too. 3rd level: I think I understand some of that? 4th level: Nope. These are two professionals talking jargon that's way over my head. 5th level: Oh my god they are literally speaking to each other by playing the piano.
5th level is the coolest, because even if you don't "speak" music like that, you can still sit there and listen with your jaw in your lap and enjoy it without understanding anything that's said.
This is music. It starts as something as simple as arranging notes, and with time you understand that it's all just the most beautiful way to express emotion
*Musician Explains One Concept in 4 Levels of Difficulty and Then Hangs Out with Herbie Hancock*
Exactly.
Lmao
Can't blame him.
@@bananokratos Of course not, it would be ridiculous.
lol
This should be called “Musician explains harmony 5 times and each time I understand less and less”
so, yet another youtube tutorial ;)
LOL
I'm a drummer and I understood through the professional scene. It's subtle and based strongly on feeling.
That is because by the end, there is no explanation, its just uh hum.... yeah...ahhhhh. Imagine I scientist explaining electromagnetism at the *expert* level and just saying, well you know, light shines, mmmm yeah, like so cool man, its just jus so bright man, yeah, uh hum, would you take him seriously?
@@n4rzul in an art field like music, once two professionals understand almost everything about their craft, they don't need to be specific or articulate because their peers know exactly what they mean. Nothing needs to be over-explained or simplified into baby-talk. It can be as simple or as complicated as it needs to be as long as their peer understands.
The college student legit passed the vibe check
his style is like John Mayer's
sounds like blues and jazz
exactly.
@@unlshtb4524 Yeah ! And slipping that minor chord in there absolutely made the end of their musical conversation. That young man is ballsy and I'm loving it :)
dude seemed vaguely high
XD
Level 1 = Easy and fun
Level 2 = Simple understanding
Level 3 = Learning Experience
Level 4 = Adding Depth
Level 5 = Yeah.... yeahhh
yeahh..
right
oh yeah
right right
Yeah ... yeahhh
The 5 stages of human life: child, teen, college student, professional, Herbie Hancock
this is the hardest I've ever laughed at a youtube comment
@@liammoynihan5419 true thought 😂😂
Halfway there
this might be my favourite TH-cam comment
I'd like to skip the college and professional stages, any recommendations?
"this time, let's visit the B flat and see how it feels." It's so nice that he checks in on the notes to make sure they are okay.
Sounds like Bob Ross talking about his paintings lol
Underrated comment.
lmao
LOL... 😂😂😂😂😂
What a perspective! Don’t let this go over y’all heads!
There's a point where the English language ran out and they just started talking in music.
For me, I think that point was "You've heard of the circle of 5ths right?" After that, I was lost :P
I wasn't lost until him and Herbie started flirting over harmony lol
What a quote man
yes. its like they understand each other over just piano chords... wow
Yeah I had to rewind it for a second because I knew I missed something there :D
Seriously - sometimes when I watch him, I have a feeling that he already lived 1 life as a musician and now in this run he's speedrunning it.
Yeah! Mozart, yet another reincarnation.
Underrated comment
Yes and it doesn’t hurt that his family are great professional musicians and have been teaching/playing music for a living since before he was born
@@rhatidmozart… lol give me a break
@ 😂😂😂
Imagine Herbie Hancock shows up and Jacob says “so... have you heard of harmony?”
run
“Have you heard this song called Chameleon?”
I was glad he began that interaction with questions. Appropriate humility
He has all the right to ask
"Have you heard of amazing grace?"
everybody gangsta until the musicians start talking in 🎹
Greg C on god though
Bro that’s so C major
that’s so Csus7 and b one octave higher aswell as a repeating f to g arpeggio every 2 measures
And that’s on musicianship 😌✨💅🏻
@@MyPissBurns I'm getting A flat dominant 13 vibe coming off you, you know, a real Ab Gb Bb C F
biggest flex was saying "something you once taught me" to Herbie Hancock and him being like, "aaaohh yeah"
Omg yesss lol
YUP
I totally agree!
9:00 btw
Even bigger flex: “when I was working with Miles Davis”
CAME BACK TO THIS AFTER TAKING MUSICIANSHIP III AT MY COLLEGE AND UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING I LOVE MY LIFE
Oh wow, congratulations!
Where did you go to college that’s so awesome
I love to hear it. It's like your life comes into color. Cheers.
AMAZING, ENJOY YOUR INTELLECTUALITY
Congrats, where do you study?
Jacob: So I don't know, when you decide to....
Herbie: *interrupts* 🎹🎹
Jacob: Oh yeah!
Herbie: yeah
Jacob: But you know when... *🎹🎹*
Herbie: Uh yeah, and then... *🎹🎹🎹*
Jacob: 🎹🎹🎹?
Herbie: 🎹!
Jacob: oh yeah!
Herbie: Yeah
Jacob: Thank you! That haunted me for days!
Me: Huh?!?!
they lost me at Bodhi
@@unknowablerootvegetable lmao. The kid’s a legend.
I need a timestamp for this 👀😂
@@K_J_Coleman_Composer 9:34
the part with herbie is actually a little hokey doe, they def made some mistakes when they were explaining to each other
College guy was straight vibing.
he looked like he was in love with jacob
@@7barsofchocolate LMAO the way he looked at him😂
ꕥ LMAO
@@7barsofchocolate lol, to me was more like a "yeah dude, whatever, just stop talking through it" 😂
@@TeakTeakchannel so true😭i was born a vocal prodigy but i have never been able to put it into words like jacob. like he’s beyond a prodigy. i’ve been surrounded by music prodigies since i was little and have never run into someone like jacob collier😭 his understanding is just different. i would pass out and die if he showed up in front of me
at level 5 they gave up the limitations of speech and just communicated with music which was much more efficient
Remove the limitation of "vocabulary thinking" and thought becomes more efficient, too.
So true. It was more like yeah yeah right right music music yeah yeah right yeah music :D
I didn't get the last song, but their smile at the end tells us their language is on another level
...or they simply tried to hide the awkwardness of the situation. A 23-year-old dude explaining something to a 78-year-old is already kinda awkward, add to that the idea of anyone at all "explaining" music to Herbie Hancock and you get a disaster. We're talking about 1) a living legend, 2) with multiple degrees, 3) who gives university lectures of his own. Seriously? I'm not a fan of Hancock at all, I barely ever heard any of his stuff, so don't take this as a fanboy getting offended by proxy.
Scroll through the comments and you'll see that people who know anything about harmony, or simply have enough commuincative skills, understand that there's no need for this "explaining" after level 2. There's no real discussion happening at all. Asking a music student if he's ever heard of the circle of fifths (something you find out in year one of learning music) - really, dude? And even when he asked Hancock for advice, he managed to do it in such a weird, condescending, smarmy way - "How do you find the courage to make a choice?". "So, you see, Herb, I'm sitting in front of my piano, and my extreme brain-power allows me to see all these endless possibilities, all these chord choices and key shifts... How do I handle all that vast richness? Oh, the pain of making a choice - something that those other plebians cannot even imagine!"
So yeah, if you're in an extremely awkward situation, there's nothing to talk about, and there's a piano in front of you - what do you do? That's right - shut up and play! All while wearing a serious face, nodding along, patting each other on the back and making meaningful grunts. "Oh, yes, that was smart, you're a smart person and an expert!" "Why, of course, and that gives me the necessary expertise to pronounce you a smart expert person as well, tah-tah-tah!"
@@kathorsees everyone was like lol wtf I already know this. only the professional had the courage to try to make things interesting, but Jacob was like, nope lol I gotta stick to the script they gave me, sorry guys Cx
I love Alpin Hong's expressions as he's listening to Jacob.
Can't help it when Jacob explains it in a way it's fun to listen to
I'd love to see if they jammed together
Alpin is a super performer as well, search for some of his performances or if he tours in your area go listen to him, super pianist
Level 1: when two people sing together.
Level 6: yeh, right, OK, wow, o yeh, yeh, Yeh, righ right Right. MmHmm yeh yeh. Right right. Woww that's amazing.
Level 7:
Ohmmmmmmmm...
Ohmmmmmmmm...
Ohmmmmmmmm...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Level 8:
*intense silence*
Level 9: harmonized silence 😂😂😂
Level 10: RREEEEEEeeeeeeeeeEeeeeEEeeeeee
I judge how much I've progressed musically by what I can understand in this video. Herbie is on a different planet.
So true, I keep coming back to this video every few months to check if I've understood something more.
Dude, exactly same. It feels so good when you have "aha" moment after "aha" moment.
So relatable
Bruh. I love your videos!! Surprised seeing your comment.
No no. When he met Herbie. Is Herbie explain to him.
I love the expression of the college student. He looks very engaged and interested but also polite, but you can tell that when he's asked "do you what the circle of fifths is", in his head he's thinking "who do you take me for?" LOL
his response was actually very polite. Regardless of how trivial it may seem, it's always good to touch base when u dont know the other person
Yes, but do you KNOW what the circle of fifths is??
Yes, but do you KNOW??
Yes, but have you heard of Giant Steps?
"Ah, I know nothing."
I have had the opportunity to go to the Eastman school of music to visit a few times it’s pretty cool. I know you probably don’t care but most of the students there are just like him very nice polite and kind.
He's sitting there talking with Jacob Collier. He probably was secretly wetting himself in excitement.
But good god, i would love to have someone in my life look at me like that while jamming.
@@ChrisM-qo1jc ya
How someone who isn’t musically inclined can know Jacob Collier is a musical savant: See how utterly mindblown the professional musician whose been playing longer than Jacob reacts to what Jacob is showing him.
Herbie Hancock hasn't just been playing music longer than Jacob Collier has been playing music. Herbie Hancock has been playing music longer than Jacob Collier has been *alive.*
@@kenpokid10 Pretty sure OP was talking about the guy before Herbie
@@kenpokid10w
"Real recognize real"
@@kenpokid10Jesus Christ
I like how herbie Hancock really got his own level he’s like the boss level
...and don't you forget it. 😉
@@jerryjazzbo2845 Jerry Jazzbo... hahaha thats a memorable name.
He is tho
Listen to headhunters and you'll understand why, absolute beast.
Herbie is different
Jacob was 23 at the time of this video, Herbie was 77 and the speak together like old friends. Jacob is a vampire. It’s the only explanation.
😂
It's at least one very possible explanation.
Herbie doesn't look 77 either.
It's probably also a little fair to hold our other 23 year olds to just a slightly higher standard lol
77? Woh, looks like 52
He’s not even explaining to Herbie. They both just vibing together.
We here vibing with them
How was that even Amazing Grace at the end there? It sounded random. 😶
Were they just playing random chords that might fit the tune?
Understandable, what would he explain or teach to Herbie Hancock? 😆
@@1Flyingfist It was improv
@@1Flyingfist you wouldn’t get it lmaooo
To my music illiterate ears 6:52 and beyond sounded like a rally car navigator giving directions to the driver on a curvy road at 180 Mph
good comparison
honestly he was basically doing the same thing as a car navigator, he's playing chords and using musical terms to describe them
Totally G sus
g sus af
That is a great analogy 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Samir?
everyone talkin about Herbie and the college kid but no ones mentioning how cool the professional guy was
I met him once, I went to one of his shows. he’s a really cool dude. he’s super nice.
Fax
It was fun watching him open up. You can tell at the beginning he's there to try his best to be a student, but he's uncomfortable due to his level of mastery.
But as soon as Collier throws something at him he doesn't already understand he becomes almost childlike, and you get a window into how the true master is always ready to revel in being a student of his craft.
it was probably one of my favorite parts because it just shows you that there’s always new things to learn
if a professional can learn something new then everyone can yknow
nice try, professional guy
I love how they teach each other in the 5th level
Hiiiiiiiii! Huge fan here!
Hey
Haha, that's probably because they're actually pretty good friends
There's literally nothing in this video that Herbie didn't already know! 🤣
i read that as as "i love how they touch each other in the 5th level" and i was like wtf
Child: *Harmony is a feeling*
Teen: *Harmony is a journey*
College student: *Harmony is a language*
Professional: *Harmony is a world*
Herbie Hancock: *Harmony is a universe*
Harmony is THE universe!
Im at the stage in which I’m able to understand it as a language, seeing it as a world seems kinda complex
Deaf person : *Harmony is nothing*
I think it's more like
Child: Harmony is a feeling
Teen: Harmony is a journey
College student: Harmony is a language
Professional: Harmony is a world
Herbie Hancock: Harmony is a feeling
@@StealthArt dude, that actually feels more acurate
It's crazy how at the highest level of music harmony, the conversation resorts to purely philosophical. I always felt that way when making music. You learn a bunch of technical stuff, and once it is imprinted onto your soul, everything else is based on feeling alone.
At the end, they were communicating solely with yeahs, rights, and hitting the keys, you didnt understand it, but you somehow get the feel of something incredible is going on
@DUKE LANGUAGE CENTER ok
Absolutely. Music is it's own language and I don't speak that language, so the only thing I could do is follow their gestures and facial expression to try to figure out what their conversation was all about.
@DUKE LANGUAGE CENTER stop shouting
The greatest part to me is that even as someone who has played music for 2 decades, I got lost in the wanderings but the two of them resolved at the same time over and over, especially the final part. I could pick out some keys but how did they know when to resolve? Music is such a crazy phenomenon.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator Exactly
*Looks a professional pianist straight in the eyes*
6:45 "So, this is the note, F."
This comment deserves far more credit than it has.
LMAO THIS IS THE NOTE F LMAOAOAOA
There aren't many people who have perfect pitch - and really it's for our benefit and not the pro player.
Lol funniest comment on TH-cam
xriex it’s for the professional as well. It’s hard even after years of experience to just pull the note out of thin air
11:21 I love how Jacob and Herbie speak their own "piano language". They're talking to each other by playing their piano. The only spoken words are "yeah yeah", "right right".
Herbie says "hey, how's it goin, let's take this somewhere smooooth", and Jacob says "guhioWHOIQ:EJA:IOgjsop;QIhgW;LKSMLKJ, are you impressed?"
As someone who takes AP music theory, when in it's in our head it makes sense but hearing someone else talk about it, it's a lot oh yeah yeah, let it sit, and realize it later
they understood the concept of harmony in its entirety that there was nothing else for them to say except "yeah"
They finished playing and just laughed. They didn’t have to speak because they already communicated with music. Beautiful!
"Pointing" tones😅
I like how Herbie says “so we say…” but then plays a note. Very cute and interesting how they each interject or finish each other’s sentences with chords instead of words
"yeah 🎹 you know🎹🎹. “
" Right, we got🎹🎹🎹."
"Yeah🎹"
"Mhm🎹🎹🎹 right🎹🎹!"
"oh yeah🎹"
"🎹🎹right🎹"
right
Even as a person that understands music theory i couldnt understand gg
should be top comment
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
which second?
0:40 The boy looks genuinely worried about the melody being lonely.
lmao
:( i felt bad too, poor melody
This is so sweet :(
@@apug296 'Sarrite, it made a good investment with its meagre earnings, now lives in a penthouse on Prak Ave.
the addition of the word lonely (a very subjective and emotional term) is the only reason why the whole proposition had sense, and argumentatively this is a trap! so jacob can vindicate his own argument causing the kid believe him although it's not necessary true, how many of our experiences are this way and we live upon floating castles of thruths and meanings connected only to the emotions of our preexistent experience
The people get more and more proficient at speaking about music, until finally, they understand it so well, they speak through music. At the end, they're not even using words anymore.
This is actually so true
Absolutely!
They literraly communicated using the keyboards
Sometimes is so boring to use words again
Elvis Govan all about listening
Having met Jacob Collier can confirm that he is simplifying his thought process for this whole video just to be understood 😂
His instinctual understanding of technical music is amazing
"My name is Jacob Collier and I am a musician."
Understatement of the year.
Change a to the and it’s probably more accurate
Correction: “my name is Jacob Collier and I am THE musician” there I fixed it.
“My name is Jacob Collier and i am music”
“My name is Jacob Collier and I am everything.”
“My name is Jacob Collier and I am” )
OR: “My name is Jacob Collier and that is it” ;)
I love how interested and attentive the 4th guy was, even though he is a professional pianist himself.
Guido Anselmi yeah he didn’t feel defensive and annoyed about being taught more even though he was professional
college kid bothered me
Knowing alpin personally, he brings that level of enthusiasm for learning into every situation, he's wonderful
I think the college kid knew more than what he said. (At least in other countries) In college you learn more about harmony than he was willing to admit.
It’s also because every professional musician would kill to have such a session with Jacob Collier :)
Jacob: So here's two note
Kid: ok
Jacob: Here's a bunch of notes
Teen: Cool
Jacob: Here's a song, let's play it
College Student: Awesome
Jacob: Let's talk about the song
Professional: Yeah, let's do it.
Jacob: 🎹
Herbie: 🎹
😂😂😂😂💀💀💀
Imagine... the two of them doing a deep pocket performance -- *live.*
🎹
@@Jojo-fg4cs 🎹🎹?
@@Schrodinger364 🎹!
at 15:19 Herbie showing respect by not playing the last note... That's what music is.. Respect
I think that was just a nod to resolve the tension in the chords and end the musical conversation
@@BrandonMillerRapsyou’re right man
Level 8: John Coltrane eats a keyboard, while Jacob Collier, Herbie Hancock, and Miles Davis applaud to the rhythm of Steve Reich's "Clapping Music"
Genuinly underated comment
This is a great comment
His violin phasing piece seriously messed me up. Listening to it on cans with my eyes closed I started to get the sensation the I was spinning, faster and faster
And then had to quickly throw my hands up to my neck because I was sure that the core was wrapping around my neck, only to discover I was neither spinning nor wrapping The cord around my neck.
This is the greatest comment I've ever seen on the Internet. I just wiped the tears out of my eyes I laughed so hard, oh my god. Bravo.
Dan Saunders 😂😂😂
If you're watching this for the first time and this is your first exposure to Herbie Hancock, level 5 is an understatement. You are basically staring at one of the living embodiments of music. He is a musician to the highest degree.
After watching this video.. he'll be all i listen to
I prefer Billy corgan circa 94
He has come on tour to South America and I hope to see him playing live someday
@@saltyzu8412 lmao this cracks me up
As is Jacob Collier. That’s where legends meet!
Jacob: Have you heard of the Circle of Fifths?
College Student: *Am I a joke to you?*
Do you *know* how much my Martini-sipping Hamptons parents paid for my education??!!!11??
;-)
Exactly I felt personally attacked xD Like of course he has heard of circle of fifths, but then my mind was blown away
But do you know the circle of 9ths?
Andrew Bryan thats called the whole tone scales XD
Dailin Li you are correct.
the way jacob relates almost every musical explanation to nature is beautiful.
J. Collier: How be brave?
Miles Davis: "Leave out the butter notes"
Herbie Hancock: *jazz*
Changed his life forever
What’s butter notes ?
@@P1zza-g1rl I think it doesnt exist, his friend said bottom notes and he understand butter notes
박서영 butter notes: 1st 3rd 5th and 7th of scale
"When you realize every melody note can go with any bass note anything is possible..." that statement might have just changed my life
james lashway still don't understand what he exactly means 😔
@@dietmarpfeffer4874
Let's take two tones that totally dont jive, C in the bass and the melody note of Db. We could harmonize that as C7b9 (CEGBbDb) or Dbmaj7(DbFAbC) in 3rd inversion, neither is a wrong answer (though what comes before and after said chord would really define what that chord could be)
I have so much to learn.
@@ThePremiumQuote we all do, there is always something to learn or practice with music. The journey never ends
@@direwolf1989 thank you very much now I had that "ah" moment too!!
3:30 college student: =)
3:35 college student =) 🎸
this is it, it found the best comment.
lmao why is this so funny
lmao that's so cute
idk why i’m dying of laughter
"now you talk" "now you play"
That last note brought a tear to my eye that only the most powerful of songs normally do... and they weren't even playing a song, they were just having a conversation that tasted like amazing grace.
"A conversation that tasted like amazing grace" what a fantastic turn of phrase, and so utterly accurate!
Who else noticed those two dudes fell in love with each other when he played the guitar
Was gonna like this but it's at 69 so I couldn't
Adventrium noble effort but it has been made useless
Quazy Duck so sad
Nah. The kid was into Jacob, but Jacob and Herbie fell in love in the end
leave ur yaoi fantasies in your brain plz.
Ah yes, the five stages of life:
Kid
Teen
College Student
Professional
*Herbie Hancock*
Lmao. Can't wait to hit the Herbie phase.
Can't wait till i'm old enough to be Herbie Hancock.
LMAOOO
Tonia Di Biase ... I came to comment exactly this. Not all heroes wear capes my friend. Keep fighting the good fight.
I aspire to retire when I Herbie Hancock.
Nobody is talking about how smooth that guitarist was. And beautiful Gibson too! Nice tone
Mercy On the Track i was actually wondering why no one said anything bout the guitarist he was super good
He was mediocre
Petter Houting I'm sure you're so much better
Petter Houting you don’t even play guitar lol
Because it's an easy tune
I am usually pretty good at following these vids until grad school or whatever, but this one was humbling and beautiful to watch. I felt like a child again, listening to the adults narrate a world I really haven't felt or seen before. Amazing. (I'm 43, so it has been a loooong time to feel like that).
I am really glad you were able to have a moment like that again
Professional Pianist: (dubious) "Care to demonstrate that?"
Jacob: *demonstrates*
Professional Pianist: 😮😲😄🤗
Exactly what I thought 🤣🤣🤣
*Oh man*
"Oouuh dude" 😂
@@adedejiadesida5091 Exactly ah ah ! Loved this one
It's so cute :D
I love how the professional started off slightly skeptical with well basically a kid "teaching" him about harmony but then just loses it when Jacob goes full Jacob...
A prodigy engineered and nurtured by expert musician parents, he's an entirely different breed. Just... *wow.*
Jacob just Jacobing
In this video, we saw only 30% Jacob's true form
when you barely understand a thing Jacob and Herbie are talking about but keep watching because you genuinely love the interaction and synergy these two great artists are having with each other
Harmony
I understand for the most part. I'm in college as a music student and focused on learning jazz improvisation this semester.
@@austinhernandez2716 herbie was easier to understand than profesional
Same! Letters, numbers, notes and I am glued, then realise I have no clue what they are saying!
@@austinhernandez2716 im an economics student and even i understood what they were talking about
When that last note resolved at the end and Herbie and Jacob smiled at each other I seriously felt my eyes well up. Something about that moment was so beautiful to me.
Jacob to college student: "Have you heard of the circle of fifths?"
College Student: "Yeah I know what that is"
Jacob: *you won't in about 2 minutes*
🤣🤣🤣 I hope you get more likes for this. Oh, man, that got me good!
I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.
I can only imagine how amazing it must feel as 23 year old with this passion for music to just get to chill and jam with Herbie Hancock.
You can tell by the way his face was turning red that is so cute
and vice versa!
to be Herbie Hancock and to jam with someone as Young as Jacob Collier and have him not just follow, but make the magic squish together harmoniously
At that point he was already friends with herbie, quincy jones, chick corea, etc
Eh it’s just melody
bro thats jacob collier
It's amazing that all the talks were about technique and theory, then he met someone who understands as much as he does and the talk became feeling and philosophy. It's like learning grammar and then using it to make poems.
Amazing.
Beautiful
💯
*more than he does. Respectfully, Herbie Hancock has been at it for far too long to attempt to act as if they're in the same league. Esperanto Spalding is a prodigy and I still understand d that she and Christian Mcbride aren't in the same league.
otherwise, the trivium - grammar, logic, rhetoric.
Jacob and Herbie playing together is like listening to two celestial beings having a conversation. You can't really follow what they're saying, but you know they're saying something deeply profound.
1000th like.
like being a dog
Liked and unliked just so I could like again
There NEEDS to be a Jacob/Herbie album!!
Or it's like you don't understand what is happening but you know you should probably like it because everyone else say they do. The story of every Collier comment section.
I love how when Jacob got to Herbie, he just stopped "telling" him things, and immediately started listening and asking questions.
That's called wisdom
Jacob: 🎹
College student: :)
Jacob: 🎹
College student: :))))))
Jacob: 🎹
College student: :)))))))))))
I mean jamming with him would be such an honour
Jacob:🎹
Herbie:🎹
Hahahaha I was looking for this comment
he becomes russian? if you know what i mean)))
ConnieP
That guy seemed so amazed!
He’s absolutely right. Every profession is spoken in its own language. And how fluent you are in that language, determines your knowledge and expertise of the profession. It could be medicine, chemistry, music… etc.
I am really impressed by Jacob's ability to positively reinforce his recipients/students, and their responses to his comments. This is an excellent way to approach positive teaching, communication and cooperation in an educational situation.
If you're a teacher. You rock! I love teachers, they're a massive help to society. ❤️
Absolutely shared this thought as I watched!
Know what's the secret ingredient? He's absolutely excited and in love with what he's teaching. Being an awesome human being helps a lot too.
@@kerzariz8717 yess!!
When he said “A flat major 7 sharp 5 with a sharp 11” I felt that
Ahmed Youssef i literally read this comment as this part happened in the video😂
Me too!
Same 😔
Yo check out my name what a close coincidence
Harmony professor: "It's not rocket science"
Rocket science professor: "It's not harmony"
Brian May, Astrophysicist and Queen Guitarist: Let me explain
I could imagine brian may laughing at this scene
It’s not like I invented a burger.
As a 4th year physics student taking a music theory class for the first time, 100% can confirm. ^
@@avenp.5739 Cringing at how smart you're trying to sound. You only sound stupid when trying to talk like that lmao.
That moment of mutual speechlessness at the end is just a moment where they both realize that thousands of words were said yet none could be used to describe what had just happened. It is what in The Alchemist is described as “the language of the universe”
Thousand of words?…. Right, right!… yeah, yeah…
that kid is super talented both musically and socially
hes a genius, and very charismatic
He's one jazz's biggest up and coming stars, already has a few grammys
A distant galaxy is missing a musician
Oh Yeah oh yeah yeah
yeah that 25 yo kid is quite talented
I like how it got progressively more and more technical and once we arrived at the Hancock segment it loosened up again and turned into a something entirely about feelings rather than technicalities.
Shows that there are only two groups of people that go by feel, absolute beginners or absolute legends. But you have to go through the technicality of music stage. It's necessary. Too many "professional" musicians skip the technical foundation and just go straight to feel, which is great for performance but in terms of practice and growth and upper bounds they are stuck. They can't grow past their skill.
@@relativelybasic I love this description. As someone who is trying to teach themselves to play guitar, I love music but am not very skilled nor educated in it. So I recognized how stuck I got relying on practicing alone without learning the technicalities of music. Which is why videos like this are starting to show up in my recommends as I tried learning more about jazz and improvisation, and I realized I needed to go to this technical space in order to eventually express myself. Achieving the "feel" requires knowing the music math
@@cja4793 exactly. I hate how guitarists have a stigma of things like music theory. I'm a music major in college. Theory is very helpful. It's like calculus for engineers.
@@relativelybasic Reminds me of that literally 300-page paper proving 1+1=2. True genius is always found in carefully folding out the subtleties in plain sight. And that's doubly true with feelings.
I, as well.
Herbie: *"Plays piano"*
Jacob: *"Plays piano back"*
Herbie: *"Responds with more piano"*
Jacob: *"haha, yeah yeah" "Plays more piano"*
Herbie: *"uhumm" "More piano"*
Jacob: *"wow" "Piano"*
Herbie: *"yeah yeah" "Piano"*
Jacob: *"right"*
You just described jazz my guy
Ahah🤣 true
It’s called jazz
Happy thousandth like my friend!
Pure musical conversation. (And I'm still pretending that I understand a liiiiiiitle bit of it)
I am a drummer for 10 years, and just recently pick up a guitar because I always want to express my other feeling not only by beat/rhythm, if you know what I am saying. Seeing jacob explained harmony, the way it feels, or how it is a world or a journey, is fascinating. I guess this is a level I want to understand in my process learning the guitar. Wish me luck!!
Hows it going?
Collier: *says literally anything*
Music student: :)
felt a little bit condescending
He was there to listen. Simple there was no need for him to speak if he knew it or not, could be shy, that could just be his personality you never know
If you're a music student and in the same room as Jacob Collier, it would be foolish not to do a lot more listening than talking.
id be smiling if jacob colier was in my room talking to me about harmony
@@Howitchewstofeel5gum very fair
Level six:
“So *God* , you’ve heard of harmony before right?”
God: **Telepathically perfects Jacob's knowledge about music in an instant**
@@TheIndogamer
Jacob: did anything happen? It feels like nothing changed
Yeah God is good, but I honestly prefer Herbie
Manuel Fontana you right
*level 5 god
Level 6 Herbie
@@Taco_Burrito39 Jacob: **starts talking about the VY Canis Majoris tuning**
Piano man 1: "G 7 sharp 11"
Piano man 2: "oH dUuuUdE"
JustForFun this is the best comment here you win
I guess Herbie Hancock do know something
NUT
@@mattpk2385 thanks babe
4 stam 4 strenght leather belt. UAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I love how at the end, it came full circle back to basics again. The feeling and emotion in full swing, and the logistics of it weren’t verbally spoken, just expressed in a song conversation. Amazing to watch art being born!!
At Herbie they were communicating mostly through music not words and understood each other, that really is another level
Agree. Why so many dislikes for this video. Just not right.
It was interesting to watch. I felt like HH was posing questions by introducing a few notes and then JC would respond with a whole bunch of stuff, and then HH would play a couple of notes and JC would sort of laugh and shake his head and play something else.
I've seen this in real life at college. The end was not unlike a free-form jazz conversation between two masters.
it's honestly one of the best feelings as a musician. to just sit and play together without talking. it moves something within man
Yes, music is a laguage
Jacob: *_"Have you heard of the circle of fifths?"_*
Joshua: *_Am I a joke to you?_*
Lmao. Like how could he NOT have?
While rudementary for the musician that into question was for the audience to set up the rest of the conversation.
it is the spiral of fifths, really.....
@@DanFromIran is it the cyclone of fifths, really.....
Just small talk leading up to an eventual exchange of phone numbers? I thought they was feelin' each other. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I like how he didn't explained anything at the end but started asking questions to the master.
Because he got to hang out with Herbie Hancock and they forced it to fit it in this weird format. He could have wasted his time and explained something to him but there's nothing this guy could explain that Herbie hasn't seen.
he has talked to herbie before and he has made a harmonization of herbies weird melody
yea was about to say they know each other quite a while now, and have met/played before...
In fact, Jacob is working with Herbie on his next album!
Conor Quinlan really????
I love the section where they're playing together is just like an incredibly intricate musical conversation.
You know you're special when you get your own piano in the interview lol
You know you’re special when you get played on by Herbie Hancock
Thank u 4 dumbing it down
@@nicolasberube5188 lmao exactly
I'm just blown away by Jacob Collier, the fact that he is just 23 and understands music so deeply.
I liked that he didn't try to "educate" herbie hancock and was respectful towards him.
Also love how humble herbie hancock is, a mark of a true genius!
Ack-shually, the mark of a true genious is arrogance in the face of all things wonderful.
I should know, for I, yes I, am a true genious.
@@zaksmith1035 Wonderful. Somebody is gonna get woosh.
@@zaksmith1035 you’re*
@@segmentsAndCurves :)
@@reevessmoak5425 ;)
*gets to the last interview*
*half of the video left*
we're in for a wild ride
You're *always* in for a wild ride with Collier
Dr. Glickenstine not Herbie?
Dr. Glickenstine I'd say more so with herbie
kdt its about to get jazztastic in here
"This is where the fun begins"
i was in a jazz band when i was a teenanger. altough i am a metal drummer and always considered myself that, we played a few of herbie hancock's songs and i got to love music even more. no matter what kind of music you like most or what you play; just beeing with other musicians that are as fascinated by the music as you are you can make magic happen. i miss those days sometimes.
Harmony is...
0:54 - feeling
1:20 - emotion
2:43 - language
4:40 - story
8:18 - context
8:38 - experience
12:00 - LIFE
Yes. Union.
EVERYTHING, not just musical harmony, comes down to Life, in the end. 😄 But the short cut isn't as interesting as the long, circuitous route.
@@gaudia3985 ye there's no shortcut after all
Yes!
@Eddie Arias lol
0:47
"So, which one did you prefer?"
The Kid: the first one
END OF VIDEO
Lmao
Directed by Robert B. Weide
Loool
I'm done. 😂
Jacob Collier: *years of academy training wasted*
The college student was just in awe of being in Jacob’s presence.
Id like but i hate bad numbers
sorry to bust the bubble but he really wasnt hahaha
Jacob and Herbie speaking with their voices and then the keyboards is such a vibe I could listen to them discuss anything tbh
Level 6: Cosmic Harmony
Jacob: “So how much do you know about yourself”?
Harmony: ......🎹🎹✨
Jacob: yeah...🎹🎹🎹
The concept of Jacob teaching harmony to Harmony itself is sending me XD
Hello fellow Isaac
Artful Escape in a nutshell.
@@isaachauzel149 ayyo!!!
The college kid starts a little closed off and by the end was smiling so big. That was cool to see, music is awesome.
Man, I wish more people would see this side of music. It looks so magical when you put 2 musicians together and they just jam and experiment
It started off by something trivial to him / waste of time to something really cool
Now I am going to play a G minor b Sus 11 with a augmented seventh 15 sharp 13 diminuted minor augmented 15
*Smashes piano with both forearms*
I am coughing and laughing uncontrollably, taking time out only to type this
OMG DEAD LMAO
I’m crying
XDD
😂😂😂😂😂 It is 2.36 am and my husband just woke up finding me laughing out loud. You're endangering my marriage.
I watched this say back in middle school, and didn't understand most of it past the teenager. Now watching it again in college, I understood every spoken concept, yet still wowed by their playing. I'm proud of myself for coming so far, and amazed and inspired by Jacob's wisdom and coming closer to being at his level.
The child has more definitive answers to questions than I ever did in my whole life of questions.
Yup
What are you, a politician !? (:
But, I bet you intuitively knew the answer, just couldn't verbalize it.
think basic like a child, and you will answer all your questions. no matter how advanced.
@@bakedthepotato5489 Remove the limitation of "vocabulary based thinking" and thought becomes more efficient, too.
Levels 1-4: Explaining in a descriptive way.
Level 5: It’s like two kids pressing random buttons and giggling when one sounds funny
😂😂
It’s like the Picasso quote:
It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child.
There’s so many intricacies going on in their music; if you don’t know how to listen to it, it can be confusing
That's the goal.
Reminds me of something my music teacher told me once: "Everybody wants to PLAY jazz, but nobody wants to LEARN jazz."
People say similar things about abstract art
I love how the college student just casually pulls off a dope riff in the final F chord.
Lick
Lick, not riff. Two different things
Music is a dimension all its own with the same colors and depth and meaning as visual art.
-Do you know the song amazing grace?
-no
-okay so it's a good one
🤣
How can you be a musician that hasn’t heard of amazing grace, it’s like being a basketball player not knowing how to dribble
@@bubba4847 it's a religious song that isn't widely known in every single part of the world
@@bubba4847 it's also a largely western song. If I berrated you for not knowing Махаббат бер маған you'd realize that pseudo pop culture music isn't applicable to every place ever
@@bubba4847 He was talking to a seven year old, to be fair.
I'm really impressed with the college kid's guitar playing and how he was able to keep up with Jacob as he was calling out chords.
Yea, he's now a very accomplished classical guitarist judging by the huge number of times he appears on Utube.
He did really, really well. They sounded great together
he was improving in the key
He was noodling in key. You learn that in a week
@@andyglamrock so playing/jamming?
1st level: Tch, too easy.
2nd level: Okay, I got that too.
3rd level: I think I understand some of that?
4th level: Nope. These are two professionals talking jargon that's way over my head.
5th level: Oh my god they are literally speaking to each other by playing the piano.
5th level is the coolest, because even if you don't "speak" music like that, you can still sit there and listen with your jaw in your lap and enjoy it without understanding anything that's said.
I kinda got an okay part of level 5, I'm not even close to being able to apply it though
The inside jokes bro... "right....."
Roxouras Rash i think level 5 is the jamming level
What an nice Comment. Made me laugh so hard.
This is music. It starts as something as simple as arranging notes, and with time you understand that it's all just the most beautiful way to express emotion
“I had this really great experience when playing with Miles Davis..”
What a life