I agree with your review. For some of us bass heads, more bang for our bucks is the only option, with having a family to support but still enjoy and be into the bass hobbies. Great reviews, bro!
I have a nice size family I have to support also but I was able to get an EMF Audio 15 for $152 off of the site. I have a Taramps Smart 3 on it and it’s kind of amazing!!! Did not break the bank at all.
Dont know if anyone gives a damn but if you're bored like me during the covid times you can stream pretty much all of the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. Been watching with my brother for the last weeks =)
I would love to buy expensive subs and amps but if I don’t have the money to spare, I go with whatever I can afford as long as it’s good and it gives me good bass! Bass ftw!
I love my SA’s and I’ll keep running them til/if I decide to upgrade. if I couldn’t have swung the price on them I wouldn’t hesitate to run skar. Different strokes for different folks. Get the best you can afford or justify spending.
I’ve got a pair of those Sundowns in my truck on a 2200W amp, they take that power all day even in a slightly undersized ported box (to fit stealth under the back seat). They’re underrated on power and have sounded great for almost 3 years now.
Sundown subs no matter which model n size always will put a smile on ppls faces. They are absolutely amazing subs. And skar as well what i love about skar audio is they make the same subs almost as sundown same looks same power ect like 99.9% identical and slash the price in half just about.. So they try to help ppl get stupid loud systems at the fraction of the cost as orion hccas sundowns ect ect.. But still sundown is like bass royalty now days lol
@@jessicaking2646 yea though most of sundowns products are way underrated. my 2 e-12s are taking power from a dc audio 2.0k which is double rated. and they have been tsking that for almost a year. definitely cant say the same for a skar sub.
What people fail to realize is that Jacob at sundown puts a lot of thought,r&d,engineering into his products,and goes out of his way to please the market.Skar just pumps out subs.Basically companies like Sundown do the hard work,then Skar looks at what they did,makes a low quality copy and puts it out at a lower price.Essentially the people buying Sundown are paying for Sundown and Skar's product development,and Skar buyers are just buying a cheap sub.
Had the SA’s, after a coil shifted I went with the DDX’s and I personally think the DDX’s have a over all better response and performance across the board. The only thing I have to wait and see is if the DDX’s can last 4 years before something goes wrong. Did a 147.8 at 43hz with the SA’s.
I'm a fan of both. Having said that, Skar has always been like a "Baby Sundown" and I agree with the price. As far as SPL competition.. I would have to go with the Sundown. Awesome video as always Parker!
But in this instance doesnt it prove that Skar are infact better in regards to these particular subs. Seeing how he states that the Skar has a 1k watt rating and although looking similar by eye the Skar does have a much larger motor, almost 5lbs. He also states he thinks the Skar hit lows better even though the Sundown has a deeper surround. And then on top of that they are on the same amp but the Skar version is a D4 vc @2ohm but the Sundown is pulling more power due it being the D2 @1ohm which is why he said the SA is louder. If the Skar was a D2 it could well be lower and louder than the SA but for a cheaper price.
@@Pkdimmock it's all about the X max baby. I'm all about flex, move that air.. Bigger motor is is a bonus for Cooling but I'd rather have the travel if I'm going to participate in an SPL competition.
@@MadDragon75 does that also apply to everyday bass too? Although in this test the db was higher on the SA, Jacob said the EVL hit lower. So if the EVL had more power too @1ohm would that not give it the edge? At least in this comparison?
@@Pkdimmock I would have to say it depends on the application. All day normal pounding in the daily driver.. I'd rock the Skar. If you watched Sundown Audio Unofficial, you may notice that Derek is only using 4 subwoofers and burping at 1 frequency the system is tuned to via the tuning wall. Like Parker said, if you can afford Sundown, rock em'! But if you just want a good daily flex at a budget level, Skar has proven themselves to a large crowd. That's why I am on the fence. Both have distinctive qualities. (BTW, Sundown underrates their products. That sub will take 1000 watts too. 😉👍
@@MadDragon75 right right. Cheers for the info. I have heard that Sundown are underrated on a great deal of their products. Also that the only reason Skar is cheaper is due to the fact they cut out the dealers and sell direct which has caused some mixed opinions. I have just got my first single Skar 12 EVL and looking forward to using it. I had an old Audiobahn alum 12 1k running at 3 ohm 5-600w and it was almost enough for me, so the EVL running at 1 ohm should be a nice upgrade running at around 1,100w. I woulda loved to get the new SA v2 but it was just out of reach at the new price point. But I know Sundown come very highly recommended. 👌🏽
As much as we enjoy the music demo, it doesn't replace being there. If you had the chance for another enclosure, it would be great to have them each tone swept and metered. It's the subtle differences musically, that can sway to one or the other. For a made-up example, the Skar could have higher overall output across the board, but then the Sundown could have a lower freq roll off. Some want high output, some will take slightly lower output for a wider freq range and accuracy. These days with the technology being way beyond 1990s tech, you CAN have SQ with a great spl output. Keep up the great work, would love to see more
true that.. i have a couple vvx 8 v3s and a couple sa 8 v3s, and the skar has a wider range, and sundown gets louder with more roll off on the low... i prefer the range over the volume.. its so close in the volume, that it doesnt really matter... the sundown definetly seems more durable in the coils tho.... can take more power than skar.. my personal review pretty much yielded same results.. and the same thing happened in 4 different enclosures.... i prefer the skar sound myself.. which suits me, as i save quite a bit of money lol...
I can hear more bass notes on the sundown. ddx sounds like its just good at one bass note. and the sundown sounds louder even though ddx has higher sensitivity.
I put 1 of the DDX-12's in my Cobalt with the Skar RP-1000.1 Amp and it's phenomenal. I've had it for about a year now and it's still going strong and I beat the crap out of it. It actually got better the longer I've had it. I think it just needed broken in. It probably sounds different in a bigger vehicle like this one but, My car is small so it's perfect. My rear view mirror is basically useless lol.
Same, My DDX 12 D4 is in my 4 Door Civic EX 5 speed. Just the one on a Kicker CXA 1200.1 and My mirrors are useless Lol. I just got through the break in period and my car is holding in for dear life Lol. Now I gatta find those sound dampening things in hops to keep the rattling to a minimum Lmao
I like the ddx series. They play a really deep note in my civic. Running 2 12s on a taramp 3k hd. Plus soundstream epicenter and pioneer deh4220bt radio and they dig deep. My voltage only drops from 14.3-13.8 after each bass note and I hit a clean 144 db with those subs
(1) DDX DVC2 running on a D4S JP8 and I’ve had 10” SDR,SVR,EVL, & DDX does best for my needs by far running at 1 ohm with a 1k wattage limit!#Skar#DDX❤
Yeah I got the 10" 2ohm with a 2400w ZEUS amp. Its mounted in a regular black carpet SKAR 1.25 CF 39mhz ported box and it hits hard AF! I really do think it sounds better with age
Take the time to design the enclosures to the actual specs of the woofers and not the generic ones manufacturers post for those who don't know how to figure out box volumes and tunings that actually match the drivers.
Like your videos bro BUT you really can’t compare two different speakers in the same enclosure and get a real feel for the products because one will always out perform the other because of the Ts parameters of the driver . It’s nice you do these for the new guys and I’m sure it does help a lot but when you get down to the science of things it really starts to make sense why one “plays lower and one sounds louder” and that’s due to many variables.. power ,tuning ,airspace, cabin, frequency ect... also when companies list specs such as “xmax “ the Bl curve is not always tested the same as other companies do so numbers are almost incomparable to each other in that sense .. just giving you some insight and understanding from a guy who knows a thing or two cuz I’ve seen a thing or two 😁
@@FUBuddy or you could get skar evl 12, and blow the sa out of the water for 199. back to what parker always talks about. sundown cool but why spend extra money when i can put the money into something else to improve all of it.
@@Angm0r because sometimes in life you have to pay alotabit more to get a little bit better, and some of the spec differences seem worth it to me. and the good old made in the usa thing. and like the op said whatever fits your budget. also matching them up to amps for home audio and doing all of the math to get the power size and fq for my room just tells me from my years of experience doing math then building boxes that the sundown will be more to my liking and worth the extra penny's...'s's's's's's's.
From what I heard and read about skar company not making good on their products when it breaks, I'll go with Sundown. Customer service and standing by your product means the world to me
Never had an issue with the customer service alway get a response with in 25 hours. I had to make 1 claim in 3yrs. I had 2 sets of their spx65c (4 spx65 , 4 spx_t, and 4 passive crossover on a SK125.4 wired down to 2ohm which is right at 200 wats per channel.. after beating on them for over a year 1 6.5 had a vc seperate. Contacted them because they have a 2yr warranty. Got a rma # with in 2 hrs to ship it back. Once they received it they inspected it and contacted me with in 24hr of getting delivered let me know the result and sent me a replacement. And to add a Lil more to this. If the do determine the damage is from abuse they will still offer you the ability to buy a replacement at a discounted price.
@@ruthlesslegion1016 I bet man I ran a crescendo bc 4500 on two xfl 10s and it was nasty. Then upgraded to 2 tnt 15s the new ones on a synergy 2k amp and it did a 153.2db at 38hz :) my next setup I'm working on is 2 hd 15s the carbon fiber models
Yeah, I have 2 xr12's on a ppi ice7000 at .5ohm and its nasty. It's actually to much for daily, I have to turn it down. 5.6 cubes slot tuned at 34 with a 17 to 1 port to cube in an hhr ss. Haven't metered it but.... nasty.
I think skar is much better only because of its cost. You can get a 10” skar sub for under $100 when sundown is selling them for almost $200. Even if the sundown was a hair better I would still do the skar just because they’re half the price. Common sense to me.
i agree. not only that. but the skar subwoofers and products always match up to what they say. they don’t lie and the subwoofers are good quality for the price. nothing against sundown though
1tuffzx10 than my 15s? Most definitely! I can’t say if they are better than the Skars. All I know is that these sundowns can take a beating! Got them wired at half ohm on a 8k SounDigital! They go crazy!
I need to share my experience with both brands. I've had a 1500 Watt sundown audio 15. And a skar audio 1500 Watt 15. The sundown did great on clean power at rated power. The skar started to smell on less than rated clean power. I love both brands so I'm not saying one is better than the other. If you are tight with money then the skar is great. But I would have to trust sundown if I would go above rated power.
for skar get the ddx they are damn near indestructible. i have put a 3000 watt amp on 2 10s and they never even got hot and this is at full blast. if you try and put a skar on max power and clipping it then that would be you problem not the subs.
I have 6 ddx 10s in my Tahoe on 2 skar skv 3500.1 an my truck is a beast it's an all skar system been running it for about a year with no problems with skar you really do get the best bang for your buck I love the ddx series sounds great and hits hard as @#$%
Yea I think the wholesale Chinese subs like skar and American bass are actually made pretty dang good and definitely best bang for your buck. It's funny because some people are useing the same exact gear just with a different name slapped on it but payed 5 × the price. Lol! I would definitely go with skar because of price for performance
p nice I have 2 vvx 8son a skv2 1500.1 in my WIFE'S truck with 4 6x8 skars in doors an 2 1" tweeters in front doors an 2 4" super tweeters in back doors sounds awesome about to add 4 more vvx 8s to her truck
The thing with China is every thing comes from there there is high quality and junk skar is high quality the difference is sundown is assembled in America and skar is china all the way that's why they are cheaper they didn't pay for american assembly
Parker here's some Info on the skar ddx sub the guy I forgot his name that left sundown and works for skar created the skar ddx sub thats why this skar sub looks so different from any other skar sub and looks like a sundown sub.
SUNDOWN hands down. Easy to pic !! I had 1- EVL 18" DUAL 2ohm SKAR had all kinds of problems with it. Then I went to 1- 18" sundown SA-18 REV.3 dual 2 and not only does it sound better but it holds more watts and hits way harder. I have 4 - 12" kicker solo-baric L7's 2 are set at 110kz - 2 are set at 90kz Then the 18" is set at about 65kz and together my expadition POUND'S !!! I couldn't be more pleased then with the sundown 18.
@@erv5890 I've actually just started really looking into the DDX vs the EVL. The DDX has a bigger motor 202oz vs 166oz on the EVL. The DDX has 3db higher sensitivity and more SD cone area because of the EVL fat surround. The only thing lacking against the EVL is the xmax 15mm vs 23.5mm.
Yeah jam is right. Not really rated for sealed. And unless you have a suv to take up the entire 3rd seat area or maybe more. the 3, 15s will sound like crap. My 2 sa12 call for 2.5cubic feet of internal box space
I've been hoping the same thing since he built that box. If you are only running a single sub, and you want spl, I think a single 15 does the job much better. He can almost run a 15 in that box. I believe it's 3 cubes. You can do 3.5 cubes for most 15's.
Skar is kick asss but I’ve heard those sundowns and they can literally be heart stopping lol but I’ve heard skars do the same thing it’s definitely a hard one! Thanks bud for the vid
Watched this video while in the car this time, was pretty awesome! The DD 712 in my trunk wins 😂. No I still think the Sundown is worth the extra $70. I have owned both and the guy I sold my SAs to still has them and sound like new. Skar is great for people on a budget.
Not on a budget... But I'm smart I bet you them subs come out the same build house. But one say sundown.. and the guy that's not smart.. and got do.. will CHOES sundown!!!
Just picked up the ddx 12 myself. Waiting for it to come in so I can start on a fiberglass enclosure. Going sealed though. Never cared for the ported sound. Had a JL 12w7 in a sealed box a long time ago and have been chasing that sound ever since it got jacked out of my car. Never paying that price for a sub again lol
Skar rates their rms very accurately, There are videos of the DDX pushing 1500 rms daily in the right box so skar is actually under rating it for longevity. Sundown is doing the same thing but they can probably do 1000 rms Dailey in the right box 😌 in my opinion it’s skar all the way (love sundown though!)
I have skar 15s and I ha e people asking me to buy my setup without even seeing it and the skar can handle 1000 watts rms its has more cooling and they are both under rated you can probably hit em with 1500 and they would both perform great
@@rhurtadorh32 mine are the sdr and they are rated a 600 rms and people slap 2k on them all day with no issues over hung coil with a wide open basket design I thought the ddx was a better line than sdr
Although money is an object for everyone, you're going to know in the back of your mind that the Sundown is better and you should have spent a few dollars more to get it. I think in your case it depends on how long you going to keep it. If it's until you do the next upgrade and it doesn't matter. If you going to keep it for some years then it's worth it.
Sundowns are def jumping more. Could be because the box is too big for the sundown or those subs are wired down lower and thusly getting way more power than the SKAR's. Would have liked to see how much power the subs were getting while playing those songs.
Would be cool to see you do a comparison stress test on both to see which one plays longer without over heating? Another factor of best bang for your buck is how long the bang can last. I have been researching and comparing these 2 subs past month deciding which one to buy. I've seen the Sundown go through brutal stress testing but not much on the DDX.
Which one did you buy and are you happy with your purchase or did you wish you got the other? Thanks I'm in the same boat trying to figure out which one I should buy
I love the channel but you are wrong with the rms rating on the DDX. They have been PROVEN to take 1500rms daily on a proper enclosure. They are rated very accurately where the sundown is just underrated.
Side note: The skarddx12d2 Bl^2/Re with inductance factored in is often around 100 in independent TS parameter evaluations(iow, real). You wont find any car audio subs that will give you anything like that for $159 or even $459...
Alpha, cant argue that and nobody should. Your ears are the true test and more important than anything! additionally, many times i think i experience a similar but different type of hollow sound not associated with a group delay or phase issues. Just simply a not so engaging sound. Maybe a better structure or bracing was at fault, leaks? But that is typically quite apparent. 👍🏻 good feedback, thanks for that
He was showing you the rating from the manufacturer. the sa can take just as much but that's not a manufacturer recommendation although they could do it if they wanted
I have personally ran 9 skar audio ddx 12s on a banda viking 15k at .89 with no problem at all. Skar audio ddx's are severely underrated. Best bang for the buck if you ask me but I also love sundown as well.
I had the ddx 12 and loved it and now have the SDR 15 but I want to upgrade the sub in the box...would u suggest I go with the DDX 15 or SA 15...I also see that the ddx has a really good sensitivity rating at 90 plus
I think the long term comparison would be which sub will last longer / blow first. If Sundown last longer then spending the extra money would be worth it.
Great video!!!... But Maybe the Skar would sound better in it's own specific enclosure (size and tuning)?. Can't really compare them equally unless each one of them had a box of their own, because box dimensions and tuning isn't the same for every sub IMO
I clipped my sundown sa12s rev3 for a year ons taramps smart3. One’s still going built like a tank. Gettting a recone kit for it. Should be back up in no time. SUNDOWN FOR THE WIN
They're both nice but it's always gonna be sound preference for me,and as always I still think American Bass has the best bang for the buck 😎 another good video Parker 👍🏻
I just got to 15 skar in my crown vic and I didn't know nothing about the speakers because I all brought kickers. Now I like skar just a Lil better because of the price and they still hit harder then a kicker too me and that's just my opinion
Another A-1 video from my guy Parker Well said they both sounded great but if your bassiN on a budget the Skar gets my vote don't get me WRONG Sundown makes a great product I just think u get more bang for your $ with the Skar.I hope to see the Savard Hi-Q 12 reviewed.Keep the great content coming👍🏾 🔊🔊🔊-🔊🔊🔊
If money was no *object* I wouldn't be looking at either of these subs, that's for sure. It'd be the Peerless 15" STW-350F. BUT that defeats the point of your video. Great job, as usual!
I love the DDX. I'm getting a pair of Skar EVL 12's and a Skar RP 3500. 1D to push them. Already bought a Kenwood Cd blue tooth player with remote. So I get to install all of that in one day. Lol maybe not in just one day. Have a great one Parker. 😎😊
I know the pole piece is different towards the dustcap. dished (skar) vs (sa) extended to a point. Also the different surround styles may make a slight difference. maybe one is more musical vs one is more spl (peaky.) Not 100% sure though
The outcome of this comparison is based on 2 woofers with significantly different specs (the ones that actually matter) in the same box is a bad comparison. These woofers do not need/like the same enclosures.
Was basically thinking the same. No 2 subs are the same reguardless if they appear the same. Quality of materials used or tolerances of said materials all effect woofer ts parameters. Those parameters are used in proper enclosure design. Make 4 boxes 2 ported 2 sealed. 1 at each subs optimum and retest. Also make sure amp can give both subs equal power or its just not a fair comparison.
@@roygeorge902 It's not meant to be taken seriously in the first place. I don't understand why you people think that way this is just an idea of what they can do.
I have to sa 12 in my 03 mustang and I had to alter my trunk to be able to get a big enough box in there. I also had to get a 220 amp alternator, 1xs D34 ( under the hood ) , 2 xs 900 and 1 xs 750 ( in the car ) a Skar RP 2000, Kicker zx 750 , 2 Rockford fosgate 5x8 ( in the front doors), 2 kicker titanium tweeters ( on the front doors ), 2 Rockford fosgate 6x8 ( in the rear deck) Skar SKv2 1,500, 2 Skar 12 sdr ( 1 down from the DDX) in a B-box, 2 amp fans, 2 runs of 0ga. Ofc, 2 runs of 4 ga. 1 ofc 1 cca, 1 run of 2/0 ofc, a ton of 200 amp and 150 amp fuse block and 4 100 amp glass fuses. I've cracked my windshield 2 time and blown out the rear window seal 1 time! My SA 12's are still going strong three years and my Skar SDR 12's I've blown at least 3 times ( again not the DDX ) my Skar RP 2000 is 3 year Strong on it too that's the one on the SA 12's! The Skar SKV 1,500 with the clipping indicator light on bass knob( 2 years strong) I switch to run the Skar SDR 12's. I would have all Sundown audio speakers and amps if I had the money!!!!!!!
It would be nice to see a 12 inch sub that wants a box as big as this one is. I believe it's 3 cubes. Most 12's don't really want more than 2.5 cubes of air space.
For the record because a motor is bigger or heavier doesn't make it better. It all comes down to what grade of Ferrite they are using and how well the motor was magnetized.
Flexin Five Hundred tell that to the motor force figures and mathematically derived specs most notably TS parameter info. Its all hidden in Bl, inductance, Q (dampening) Vas(Cms as a volume of air), friction in Rms.... and then combining for further precise info Bl^2/re. The still not very well represented inductance modeling or seni inductance. simply materials used and build quality. Glue, stitched and sewn... you know this. I had a heck of a time sorting much of it out in the TS parameter interactions or filtering by way of those specs because of what tou said, but kept picking the brains of the designers and PA cabinet makers and wow is that group of great info and experience! Its still something i gotta carry my notes with to discuss at any level, but things are not what any label would make yiu think. A penny spent on a sundown woofer is sadly a complete waste in ignorance and im guilty of former RF fanboy like discission making and regrets.... All i need is 1/3 of that $$ back and a 30 minute browse theu parts express to vastly inprove and dynamically change that which i thought was great... and RF isnt junk. Nor is sundown. But anyone can show you the proof that those both suck and are nearly just a name because of the unsung cheap heros that crush those brands best offerings right up to t3 and nightshade or whatever yu like. Hindesiggt kicks my ass!
WOW!! So much hate about Skar audio, and a few others. I have and still use different brands for my projects and Skar is definitely a great bang for the buck. It is on par with many other top brands.. I think the hate comes from the fact that Skar is affordable and does an amazing job at that. Maybe a bit jealous that they spent top$$$ for a similar sub.. Oh! Well, like I said I'm not a fan boy of any brand , but this hate needs to stop.. The basshead community should help, educate, left up, support others in the same interests. Instead we have groups acting like gangs on the block. " No American Bass is best, no Sundown for life, You stupid Soundqubed is the best, etc". Sounds completely childish don't it. I say use what works for you and shut the jack up.. Oh! Great job Parker, keep it up my man.
Parker great video man. Also thank you I was looking at a single 12 project in my Monte Carlo this video helped me make my choice. Keep up the good work I just subscribed!!
@@ParkerTheBasshead and I see you have lol. I think you should go for a big build. At least 4 12s or something. You're totally capable of it. And you already got the power for it. Make it happen, make your channel blow tf up. Get some big sponsorships. I know I'd watch it.
I currently have the DDX-12. It performs more than well for what I need. Since I now have a bigger vehicle, I might consider getting a 2and one. But I'll try the single first.
What did u end up going with? I had the ddx 12 as well and wanted to get something bigger so I went with the 15 SDR but now I want to upgrade that( I only got the SDR 15 in the enclosure bc it was used from Skar for $160) so I'm thinking of another ddx but in a 15 or I'm thinking sundown just to see what all the hype is about
@@trickedoutequinox3265 Just stick with the DDX line seriously its not going to get much better if you're just cruising. No need to spend more than warranted for non-competition listening.
Totally agree, SUNDOWN is a lot better in every single aspect! Sounded a lot more natural and a lot less distortion (Bet it's the dual Faraday rings that Mr. Fuller is famous for!) Sundown Audio is too hard to beat when it comes to Clearity and SQ, I mean their sub's are distortion free, they also use bottomless designs in some of their subs, they do crazy long coil windings, also when it comes to compatibility, their sub's work in small air space and excel easily at low frequencies, their subs are flawless, just don't go oversize!
You can't put 2 completely different subs in the same box needs to be boxes designed for each sub to truly test them. The distortion you think you hear isn't distortion the Skar is hitting harder and the mic can't handle it.
@@fxrsniper1 30 years in car audio and don't know skar copies all of sundowns designs? No you don't have 30 yrs experience. You have 1 year repeated 30 times.
Good video 2 12s of audiopipes are good like u say Rockville has a new 12 inch super that looks like it'd be great and they don't cost too much w12k9d2 Rockville 3 inch vc and 1000 cea rated watts around 114 dollars
Your reviews are always great, some of the best informative data out there. But have you ever do reviews with music that has actual instruments? Drums, guitars, wind instruments, keyboards...etc.? The music you are using is great but how can you tell if the subs are reproducing accurate bass notes and not too heavy in some areas? The boom boom is great but what about tonality? I'm not bashing or trying to be a jerk here at all, like I said your reviews and music taste is fabulous. What if you try some old school rock like the song Time by Pink Floyd, Tom Sawyer by Rush, or Fly Like an Eagle by Steve Miller Band? I wonder if ALL those subs you have are able to reproduce all bass notes evenly. Ok...Ok...let all the negative comments fly. I was just asking a question about a different type of music. Not trying to piss anyone off here! Sorry if somebody got offended.
Great job 👍. I just found your channel and have been binge watching. I'm a sub now💯 my brother has two of Skars 8's in his truck underneath the rear seat. If you didn't know that they were 8's and then found out that they were after hearing them. You'd be impressed. I have a 2015 beetle that I'm fixing to do. All the speakers are Skar. I don't remember the type. But there not Skars basic speakers. The 4 6.5's will be ran on a Kenwood 4ch amp and the 10" Skar sub in there box will be on a Rockford 1ch mono amp. With a Kenwood head unit. I went with Skar speakers and sub from hearing his. I can't wait to get it in. Beetles have great shape for good acoustics on the inside.
Another tidbit to add to this discussion is that alot of people don't realize that car audio manufacturers use the same company to build their products. And with Sundown and Skar, they are the exact same thing. The owner of Skar used to work at Sundown and then he left and started his own thing. But they use the same internal on everything but Skar offers it at a better price point. But that's just an example of two companies. Start looking at the fine print of some of these companies and you will see that they are ran by the same "One" company. I'm a dj too so that happens in that world too. One of the "top" companies for dj'ing is Rane. And a company that gets crapped on is Numark. Well guess what, Numark and Rane are under the same umbrella and there are still dj's out here who don't know that. But because something is "expensive" then people think that oh I have to have that because it costs $500 more than this other piece. All because people are sucked into the consumerism complex. I'm a basshead all day everyday since 1991 and I've learned alot over the decades. So one bit of advice for everyone is don't get sucked into thinking something is better just because it costs more and don't think something is crappy just because someone else said so and you didn't hear it for yourself. I've been shocked at how much car audio that is actually good but if I listened to someone else I would have never known.
I've been using skar subs and amps for a few years now. I used to be a kicker fan then realized I was throwing money away. For what you pay for a good kicker sub, you can get an even better skar sub and save a little money. Right now in running an evl 12 in the skar box. I should actually spend the money and get a box built for it. Not that the skar box is bad, I just think the sub can do much better. Thanks for the video's.
What kicker were you running? I have a couple of vids i have both set of subs the kicker cvx 15s and skar ddx 15s both dual 4ohm and the kicker cvx sounds deeper and louder than the skar ddx. Ive always used kicker but cvx or the L7s 15s ive tried alpine but decided to go with skar but cvx sounded much better
@@rhurtadorh32 I have a cvx 12 and started with about 800 watts on it. It was in a kicker box that probably was a little too small for it if I'm being honest. I moved to the 1500 watt skar amp and a 2.5 cube box but still didn't get the sound I wanted and thought I should get out of it. So now I'm running a skar evl 12 in a factory skar box and it's so much smoother sounding work way more thump. I'll check out your videos, thanks for the response.
Rafas Dad skar bangs and its a good sub i actually like the way it look.I just got a sub box tuned to 34 herts with a 8 inch port and them kickers are slamming hard.what some people dont understand is if you have a prefab box its not gonna sound the way the subs are supousto sound. And people start complaing right away. A correct well built sub BOX is the key for the subs to sound the right. way.
11:11 If money was no OBJECT. Thx 4 comparison, would like to always compare using a spl db meter on window/legal for reference to for other subs you test.
Have 2- SKAR Shallow mount 10's under back seat of a Nissan Titan and they hit hard as hell. Can't go wrong with SKAR...they are reasonably priced and you get a ton of bang for your buck.
"Money is no object"..... The common phrase is "Money is no OBJECT" ! Unfortunately for me right now, its just like Parker mistakenly says, "Money is no option" :) lol So I'm running an 18" Skar, and it sounds freaking phenomenal :)
You kids don’t know how lucky you are. In 1996 when I bought my first sub it was a Soundstream SPL12 for $350. That was a true 400w RMS sub. I blew it with a 500 watt amp. Now you can get a Skar DDX12 for $150 and it will mop the floor with my first sub
Hey Parker love the videos and thank you for the content!!! Would be interesting to see the same price point comparison Sundown VS Skar EVL or VXF or whatever is matching in price to the sundown
Out of those 2 subs, the DDX sounded more on frequency to me when playing the lower notes while it beats the SA price. I personally would switch to sundown when i wanna upgrade my DDXs
I have tried ALL Skar 10” this last year starting with DVC2 10” SDR, then SVR, EVL, then landed on (1) DDX in 10” DVC2 in Skar Factory Rhino lined ported box and it is a “Beast”! I have it paired with a D4S’s JP8 at 1 ohm “smashing!”#Skar❤#DDX🔊👑
The Skar SVR and DDX subs are very similar in looks, sound, and build. After owning all 3 including the SDR sub; I prefer the DDX overall even though they handle about the same power. I prefer the build on the DDX & it hits the lows just like I want and just seems to looks better to me like the chrome shine on the magnet. I have been pounding my Skar DDX 10” DVC2 for over a year now & it has become my favorite Skar by far! The D4S JP8 amp is “REALLY” putting this DDX sub to work!#Skarsubs#DDX#D4S#JP8#🔊❤️@alltorque415
@@bondalero0074 Ive been debating on which subs i want, i got limited space in my single cab obs f150. i have a sealed 2 12 box, i had 2 skar vd 12s and i didnt like them at all. i been debating on ddx, svr, crossfire c3, deaf bounce machete or sundown e. i have 2 audio legion gladiator 10s in my tahoe. Man do they hit every not so good people cant believe it when they see my setup.
Why did you pick the DDX over the EVL? I've seen some comments say that the DDX is actually better than the EVL. The DDX has a bigger motor 202oz vs 166oz on the EVL. It has higher db sensitivity and more cone area. The only thing the EVL wins at is xmax 23.5mm vs 15mm
has skar fixed the cone problems yet ? after awhile the cones get holes in them from slapping the terminal/leads on 10 and 12'' . many have had this issue .
You can’t compare these subs unless you build a correct box for each.. the SA12 only need a 2net where the the DDX12 need 2.5 net. Why? Because the Sundown has a stronger motor and better soft parts. Smaller box means more subs can fit in a given space. That is the $70 difference bro you couldn’t find. That box you test every sub in its way to large for the Sundown. But it in its proper b box and the difference will be very very noticeable.
I agree with your review. For some of us bass heads, more bang for our bucks is the only option, with having a family to support but still enjoy and be into the bass hobbies. Great reviews, bro!
Thanks man!!
Yes that’s what I’m facing right now. A family to support but still want da bass.
I have a nice size family I have to support also but I was able to get an EMF Audio 15 for $152 off of the site. I have a Taramps Smart 3 on it and it’s kind of amazing!!! Did not break the bank at all.
Mark Guerrero well said!
Dont know if anyone gives a damn but if you're bored like me during the covid times you can stream pretty much all of the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. Been watching with my brother for the last weeks =)
I would love to buy expensive subs and amps but if I don’t have the money to spare, I go with whatever I can afford as long as it’s good and it gives me good bass! Bass ftw!
With you 👍🏼
I enjoy all car audio from the low to the high
takumi kuruzagi how do you feel bout L7’s? Compare them to cadence wild beasts
Earl Graves l7’s are cool but I never had or bought candence audio, I did buy 1 American bass sub and dam I’m impressed it rattles my little crv lol
@@earlgraves5568 l7 subs suck cadence wins.
I love my SA’s and I’ll keep running them til/if I decide to upgrade. if I couldn’t have swung the price on them I wouldn’t hesitate to run skar. Different strokes for different folks. Get the best you can afford or justify spending.
I’ve got a pair of those Sundowns in my truck on a 2200W amp, they take that power all day even in a slightly undersized ported box (to fit stealth under the back seat). They’re underrated on power and have sounded great for almost 3 years now.
Soundqubed q1 2200?
@@Luminous.Dynamics Yep, that's the one.
"If money was no object" thats how the phrase goes.
I've had both but something about the sundown is just makes me feel better but I like skar . And yes those SA hit very hard
Sundown subs no matter which model n size always will put a smile on ppls faces. They are absolutely amazing subs. And skar as well what i love about skar audio is they make the same subs almost as sundown same looks same power ect like 99.9% identical and slash the price in half just about.. So they try to help ppl get stupid loud systems at the fraction of the cost as orion hccas sundowns ect ect.. But still sundown is like bass royalty now days lol
@@jessicaking2646 yea though most of sundowns products are way underrated. my 2 e-12s are taking power from a dc audio 2.0k which is double rated. and they have been tsking that for almost a year. definitely cant say the same for a skar sub.
What people fail to realize is that Jacob at sundown puts a lot of thought,r&d,engineering into his products,and goes out of his way to please the market.Skar just pumps out subs.Basically companies like Sundown do the hard work,then Skar looks at what they did,makes a low quality copy and puts it out at a lower price.Essentially the people buying Sundown are paying for Sundown and Skar's product development,and Skar buyers are just buying a cheap sub.
I’m running a single Skar Audio DDX-10 D4 in a 1.25 cubic inch aero-ported box from High Output Enclosures....goes low and hits hard 🔊
Had the SA’s, after a coil shifted I went with the DDX’s and I personally think the DDX’s have a over all better response and performance across the board. The only thing I have to wait and see is if the DDX’s can last 4 years before something goes wrong.
Did a 147.8 at 43hz with the SA’s.
What did you meter with the Skar DDX?
Jacob Fuller helped with the design of the ddx that's why it's so similar to the SA v1's.
Was it the same box and amp and car?? When u compared
Wait Jacob, the sundown ceo, helped design the ddx?
@@DirtySouthFlorida3 yes. Everything was the same.
Love your sub comparison vids and all the extra effort you put into them! This channel is one of a kind, keep em coming!!
Sundown all day! Cant wait to pick out my x8 v.3's!
I'm a fan of both.
Having said that, Skar has always been like a "Baby Sundown" and I agree with the price. As far as SPL competition.. I would have to go with the Sundown.
Awesome video as always Parker!
But in this instance doesnt it prove that Skar are infact better in regards to these particular subs. Seeing how he states that the Skar has a 1k watt rating and although looking similar by eye the Skar does have a much larger motor, almost 5lbs. He also states he thinks the Skar hit lows better even though the Sundown has a deeper surround. And then on top of that they are on the same amp but the Skar version is a D4 vc @2ohm but the Sundown is pulling more power due it being the D2 @1ohm which is why he said the SA is louder. If the Skar was a D2 it could well be lower and louder than the SA but for a cheaper price.
@@Pkdimmock it's all about the X max baby.
I'm all about flex, move that air..
Bigger motor is is a bonus for Cooling but I'd rather have the travel if I'm going to participate in an SPL competition.
@@MadDragon75 does that also apply to everyday bass too? Although in this test the db was higher on the SA, Jacob said the EVL hit lower. So if the EVL had more power too @1ohm would that not give it the edge? At least in this comparison?
@@Pkdimmock I would have to say it depends on the application.
All day normal pounding in the daily driver.. I'd rock the Skar.
If you watched Sundown Audio Unofficial, you may notice that Derek is only using 4 subwoofers and burping at 1 frequency the system is tuned to via the tuning wall.
Like Parker said, if you can afford Sundown, rock em'! But if you just want a good daily flex at a budget level, Skar has proven themselves to a large crowd.
That's why I am on the fence. Both have distinctive qualities.
(BTW, Sundown underrates their products. That sub will take 1000 watts too. 😉👍
@@MadDragon75 right right. Cheers for the info. I have heard that Sundown are underrated on a great deal of their products. Also that the only reason Skar is cheaper is due to the fact they cut out the dealers and sell direct which has caused some mixed opinions. I have just got my first single Skar 12 EVL and looking forward to using it. I had an old Audiobahn alum 12 1k running at 3 ohm 5-600w and it was almost enough for me, so the EVL running at 1 ohm should be a nice upgrade running at around 1,100w. I woulda loved to get the new SA v2 but it was just out of reach at the new price point. But I know Sundown come very highly recommended. 👌🏽
As much as we enjoy the music demo, it doesn't replace being there. If you had the chance for another enclosure, it would be great to have them each tone swept and metered. It's the subtle differences musically, that can sway to one or the other. For a made-up example, the Skar could have higher overall output across the board, but then the Sundown could have a lower freq roll off. Some want high output, some will take slightly lower output for a wider freq range and accuracy. These days with the technology being way beyond 1990s tech, you CAN have SQ with a great spl output. Keep up the great work, would love to see more
true that.. i have a couple vvx 8 v3s and a couple sa 8 v3s, and the skar has a wider range, and sundown gets louder with more roll off on the low... i prefer the range over the volume.. its so close in the volume, that it doesnt really matter... the sundown definetly seems more durable in the coils tho.... can take more power than skar.. my personal review pretty much yielded same results.. and the same thing happened in 4 different enclosures.... i prefer the skar sound myself.. which suits me, as i save quite a bit of money lol...
I can hear more bass notes on the sundown. ddx sounds like its just good at one bass note. and the sundown sounds louder even though ddx has higher sensitivity.
I put 1 of the DDX-12's in my Cobalt with the Skar RP-1000.1 Amp and it's phenomenal. I've had it for about a year now and it's still going strong and I beat the crap out of it. It actually got better the longer I've had it. I think it just needed broken in. It probably sounds different in a bigger vehicle like this one but, My car is small so it's perfect. My rear view mirror is basically useless lol.
Same, My DDX 12 D4 is in my 4 Door Civic EX 5 speed. Just the one on a Kicker CXA 1200.1 and My mirrors are useless Lol. I just got through the break in period and my car is holding in for dear life Lol. Now I gatta find those sound dampening things in hops to keep the rattling to a minimum Lmao
Ive had skars before but I have to say sundowns louder and better worth the few extra bucks
I like the ddx series. They play a really deep note in my civic. Running 2 12s on a taramp 3k hd. Plus soundstream epicenter and pioneer deh4220bt radio and they dig deep. My voltage only drops from 14.3-13.8 after each bass note and I hit a clean 144 db with those subs
Really!?? Awesome
Ohhhh you running a 3000 watt amp tho haha i see
(1) DDX DVC2 running on a D4S JP8 and I’ve had 10” SDR,SVR,EVL, & DDX does best for my needs by far running at 1 ohm with a 1k wattage limit!#Skar#DDX❤
Yeah I got the 10" 2ohm with a 2400w ZEUS amp. Its mounted in a regular black carpet SKAR 1.25 CF 39mhz ported box and it hits hard AF! I really do think it sounds better with age
Both of these are companies I plan on shopping with very soon. Skar for one vehicle and sundown on the other. Gonna be fun.
sa v2 and an evl 12.
Take the time to design the enclosures to the actual specs of the woofers and not the generic ones manufacturers post for those who don't know how to figure out box volumes and tunings that actually match the drivers.
Like your videos bro BUT you really can’t compare two different speakers in the same enclosure and get a real feel for the products because one will always out perform the other because of the Ts parameters of the driver . It’s nice you do these for the new guys and I’m sure it does help a lot but when you get down to the science of things it really starts to make sense why one “plays lower and one sounds louder” and that’s due to many variables.. power ,tuning ,airspace, cabin, frequency ect... also when companies list specs such as “xmax “ the Bl curve is not always tested the same as other companies do so numbers are almost incomparable to each other in that sense .. just giving you some insight and understanding from a guy who knows a thing or two cuz I’ve seen a thing or two 😁
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I like the way skar subs looks. More aggressive imo. I just replaced my alpine type r 12 . Skar hits harder then the alpine.
I would choose which ever one fits into my budget. There’s ton options out there.
its only 160 vs 200 for 4mm almost 25% more x max which lets you throw low notes harder without bottoming out.
@@FUBuddy or you could get skar evl 12, and blow the sa out of the water for 199. back to what parker always talks about. sundown cool but why spend extra money when i can put the money into something else to improve all of it.
@@Angm0r because sometimes in life you have to pay alotabit more to get a little bit better, and some of the spec differences seem worth it to me. and the good old made in the usa thing. and like the op said whatever fits your budget. also matching them up to amps for home audio and doing all of the math to get the power size and fq for my room just tells me from my years of experience doing math then building boxes that the sundown will be more to my liking and worth the extra penny's...'s's's's's's's.
@@FUBuddy I'm pretty sure only the U series, X, NS and Z's are built in America. The rest are all Chinese
From what I heard and read about skar company not making good on their products when it breaks, I'll go with Sundown. Customer service and standing by your product means the world to me
Never had an issue with the customer service alway get a response with in 25 hours. I had to make 1 claim in 3yrs. I had 2 sets of their spx65c (4 spx65 , 4 spx_t, and 4 passive crossover on a SK125.4 wired down to 2ohm which is right at 200 wats per channel.. after beating on them for over a year 1 6.5 had a vc seperate. Contacted them because they have a 2yr warranty. Got a rma # with in 2 hrs to ship it back. Once they received it they inspected it and contacted me with in 24hr of getting delivered let me know the result and sent me a replacement. And to add a Lil more to this. If the do determine the damage is from abuse they will still offer you the ability to buy a replacement at a discounted price.
I'm with ya 100% and cant wait to see the xr 12:)
Quinton Litton I run 2 xr 12’s myself on an rp 1500. I can vouch in saying they are good subs especially for the price!
AB has yet too disappoint.. 4 10" xrs. 1ohm 2k watts. Each. 2 Massive 5k amps. Beyond impressed.
@@ruthlesslegion1016 I bet man I ran a crescendo bc 4500 on two xfl 10s and it was nasty. Then upgraded to 2 tnt 15s the new ones on a synergy 2k amp and it did a 153.2db at 38hz :) my next setup I'm working on is 2 hd 15s the carbon fiber models
Yeah, I have 2 xr12's on a ppi ice7000 at .5ohm and its nasty. It's actually to much for daily, I have to turn it down. 5.6 cubes slot tuned at 34 with a 17 to 1 port to cube in an hhr ss. Haven't metered it but.... nasty.
I had both and the sundown sa hits way way harder
Yes it do
I think skar is much better only because of its cost. You can get a 10” skar sub for under $100 when sundown is selling them for almost $200. Even if the sundown was a hair better I would still do the skar just because they’re half the price. Common sense to me.
Agreed
Yep
i agree. not only that. but the skar subwoofers and products always match up to what they say. they don’t lie and the subwoofers are good quality for the price. nothing against sundown though
Ok but the sundown will still be bumping in a couple years , as the skar most likely won’t last more than a few months
@@younginfamou6053 I beg to defer! I’ve had mine so far for 6 months and they actually sound better now then when I first had them installed.
I had some XFL 15s then I got sundown SA 12s and huge difference! I love my Sas! Amazing subs!
So you sayin the sundown is better 🤔
1tuffzx10 than my 15s? Most definitely! I can’t say if they are better than the Skars. All I know is that these sundowns can take a beating! Got them wired at half ohm on a 8k SounDigital! They go crazy!
Difference in what? 15s to 12s did you have the right box?
@@1tuffzx10 I've heard xfl 12's and SA's are better than xfl's.
@@amanbungay I mean are the SA 15's that much better than XFL & Skar 15's🤷🏾♀️.
I need to share my experience with both brands. I've had a 1500 Watt sundown audio 15. And a skar audio 1500 Watt 15. The sundown did great on clean power at rated power. The skar started to smell on less than rated clean power. I love both brands so I'm not saying one is better than the other. If you are tight with money then the skar is great. But I would have to trust sundown if I would go above rated power.
for skar get the ddx they are damn near indestructible. i have put a 3000 watt amp on 2 10s and they never even got hot and this is at full blast. if you try and put a skar on max power and clipping it then that would be you problem not the subs.
That happen with me, bought a loaded enclosure EVL 12
Good review homie, I subscribed for an honest review.
I appreciate you man!! Will keep the honest vids coming
I subscribed for the same reason.
The sundown has a cost advantage regarding longevity. It's only $55 for a recone kit for the sa12. Skar does not sell recones for the ddx
GREAT INFO THANKS!!!!
Pretty sure you can recone the Skar with a Sundown cone
@@lawrencebloom7327 have you tried this? I couldn't find the specs on spider size.
@@lawrencebloom7327 now that's funny
Just ordered 2 of these sundowns matched my box better. Air space
I have 6 ddx 10s in my Tahoe on 2 skar skv 3500.1 an my truck is a beast it's an all skar system been running it for about a year with no problems with skar you really do get the best bang for your buck I love the ddx series sounds great and hits hard as @#$%
Yea I think the wholesale Chinese subs like skar and American bass are actually made pretty dang good and definitely best bang for your buck. It's funny because some people are useing the same exact gear just with a different name slapped on it but payed 5 × the price. Lol! I would definitely go with skar because of price for performance
Wholesale Chinese subs are all that's offered here. Skar and SD come out of the same buildhouse...
Maken me want 2 get same setup . Got 4 vvx 8s on rp 2k atm
p nice I have 2 vvx 8son a skv2 1500.1 in my WIFE'S truck with 4 6x8 skars in doors an 2 1" tweeters in front doors an 2 4" super tweeters in back doors sounds awesome about to add 4 more vvx 8s to her truck
The thing with China is every thing comes from there there is high quality and junk skar is high quality the difference is sundown is assembled in America and skar is china all the way that's why they are cheaper they didn't pay for american assembly
Parker here's some Info on the skar ddx sub the guy I forgot his name that left sundown and works for skar created the skar ddx sub thats why this skar sub looks so different from any other skar sub and looks like a sundown sub.
The Skar is a better overall speaker considering money and all
SUNDOWN hands down.
Easy to pic !!
I had 1- EVL 18" DUAL 2ohm SKAR had all kinds of problems with it. Then I went to 1- 18" sundown SA-18 REV.3 dual 2 and not only does it sound better but it holds more watts and hits way harder.
I have 4 - 12" kicker solo-baric L7's 2 are set at 110kz - 2 are set at 90kz
Then the 18" is set at about 65kz and together my expadition POUND'S !!! I couldn't be more pleased then with the sundown 18.
DDXs are better than EVLs just so you know.
@@erv5890 I've actually just started really looking into the DDX vs the EVL.
The DDX has a bigger motor 202oz vs 166oz on the EVL. The DDX has 3db higher sensitivity and more SD cone area because of the EVL fat surround. The only thing lacking against the EVL is the xmax 15mm vs 23.5mm.
3 sundown 15’s in a sealed custom enclosure is what I’m seeing in my ride when all this virus crap is over with. Good review man. 😎
💪🏻💪🏻
They aren't really recommended for sealed enclosures.
Yeah jam is right. Not really rated for sealed. And unless you have a suv to take up the entire 3rd seat area or maybe more. the 3, 15s will sound like crap. My 2 sa12 call for 2.5cubic feet of internal box space
I rock with the videos heavy been supporting since you first started doing audio videos! As a fan I would love to see you bump some 15s 🔥🔥🔥
I've been hoping the same thing since he built that box. If you are only running a single sub, and you want spl, I think a single 15 does the job much better. He can almost run a 15 in that box. I believe it's 3 cubes. You can do 3.5 cubes for most 15's.
Skar is kick asss but I’ve heard those sundowns and they can literally be heart stopping lol but I’ve heard skars do the same thing it’s definitely a hard one! Thanks bud for the vid
Good video was very informative I went with the skar svr 12 d2 I'm very happy with them think you are doing a great job with the videos .bass on dude
Thanks man! I really like the SVR. Great sub for the price
Watched this video while in the car this time, was pretty awesome! The DD 712 in my trunk wins 😂. No I still think the Sundown is worth the extra $70. I have owned both and the guy I sold my SAs to still has them and sound like new. Skar is great for people on a budget.
Not on a budget... But I'm smart I bet you them subs come out the same build house. But one say sundown.. and the guy that's not smart.. and got do.. will CHOES sundown!!!
Nothing beats digital designs. Period.
I'm subscribing cause of this vids, that was the best and skar hands down it hits way lower than the sa 👍👍💯💪💪
Glad to hear man! Trying to keep the videos coming
You got brain cells loose if you think skar hit's harder than sundown.
Just picked up the ddx 12 myself. Waiting for it to come in so I can start on a fiberglass enclosure. Going sealed though. Never cared for the ported sound. Had a JL 12w7 in a sealed box a long time ago and have been chasing that sound ever since it got jacked out of my car. Never paying that price for a sub again lol
i have a w7, to me the sundown x rev1 is the most similar in sound
Skar rates their rms very accurately, There are videos of the DDX pushing 1500 rms daily in the right box so skar is actually under rating it for longevity. Sundown is doing the same thing but they can probably do 1000 rms Dailey in the right box 😌 in my opinion it’s skar all the way (love sundown though!)
skar is rebranded chinese subs😂
@@bradyclark4788so is the Sundown SA series. What’s your point.
awesome video, the skar wins as far as price. your getting the same performance for less. good video.
Thanks man!
I have skar 15s and I ha e people asking me to buy my setup without even seeing it and the skar can handle 1000 watts rms its has more cooling and they are both under rated you can probably hit em with 1500 and they would both perform great
The skars cant handle 1000 watts rms 😂 kicker cvx hits harder then these skar audio ddx
@@rhurtadorh32 mine are the sdr and they are rated a 600 rms and people slap 2k on them all day with no issues over hung coil with a wide open basket design I thought the ddx was a better line than sdr
Although money is an object for everyone, you're going to know in the back of your mind that the Sundown is better and you should have spent a few dollars more to get it. I think in your case it depends on how long you going to keep it. If it's until you do the next upgrade and it doesn't matter. If you going to keep it for some years then it's worth it.
Little bit more? The sa rev 3's are almost double
Sundowns are def jumping more. Could be because the box is too big for the sundown or those subs are wired down lower and thusly getting way more power than the SKAR's. Would have liked to see how much power the subs were getting while playing those songs.
The Skar was @2 ohms and the sundown was @1 ohm, so the sundown definitely had an advantage as far as available power.
@@catch22frubert thats not even a comparison I own 2 sa SA 15s and I'm thinking about switching to the ddx because they are louder @1ohm
Would be cool to see you do a comparison stress test on both to see which one plays longer without over heating? Another factor of best bang for your buck is how long the bang can last. I have been researching and comparing these 2 subs past month deciding which one to buy. I've seen the Sundown go through brutal stress testing but not much on the DDX.
Which one did you buy and are you happy with your purchase or did you wish you got the other? Thanks I'm in the same boat trying to figure out which one I should buy
@@joseph2323 Did u buy one? I have a DDX 12 and I love it but now I want something more so I went with a 15.
They sound equally good so for the price l would go SKAR hands down!
I love the channel but you are wrong with the rms rating on the DDX. They have been PROVEN to take 1500rms daily on a proper enclosure. They are rated very accurately where the sundown is just underrated.
Agreed with the underrated part.
Side note: The skarddx12d2 Bl^2/Re with inductance factored in is often around 100 in independent TS parameter evaluations(iow, real). You wont find any car audio subs that will give you anything like that for $159 or even $459...
@@Boogerweldz Just the sound isnt quite right. Seems less tender or meaty. Best way I can explain it.
Alpha, cant argue that and nobody should. Your ears are the true test and more important than anything! additionally, many times i think i experience a similar but different type of hollow sound not associated with a group delay or phase issues. Just simply a not so engaging sound. Maybe a better structure or bracing was at fault, leaks? But that is typically quite apparent.
👍🏻 good feedback, thanks for that
He was showing you the rating from the manufacturer. the sa can take just as much but that's not a manufacturer recommendation although they could do it if they wanted
I have personally ran 9 skar audio ddx 12s on a banda viking 15k at .89 with no problem at all. Skar audio ddx's are severely underrated. Best bang for the buck if you ask me but I also love sundown as well.
I had the ddx 12 and loved it and now have the SDR 15 but I want to upgrade the sub in the box...would u suggest I go with the DDX 15 or SA 15...I also see that the ddx has a really good sensitivity rating at 90 plus
@@trickedoutequinox3265 both are good options but if I had to pick it would be sundown
@@Kayjaye2024 ok cook thanks..also have u ever tried deaf bonce? I see they have a sub rated at 1200 RMS for like 180 bucks
@@trickedoutequinox3265 I haven't but I know plenty guys who run deaf bonce and they make great subs
@@Kayjaye2024 Yeah I've seen plenty of videos on them..I wish there was a way to test out these damn subs before buying them lol
I think the long term comparison would be which sub will last longer / blow first. If Sundown last longer then spending the extra money would be worth it.
He already blew the sundown sa he reconed it that was a reconed sundown sub.
Great video!!!... But Maybe the Skar would sound better in it's own specific enclosure (size and tuning)?. Can't really compare them equally unless each one of them had a box of their own, because box dimensions and tuning isn't the same for every sub IMO
I use skar amps and subs and for the price and quality and sound it’s skar all the way
I clipped my sundown sa12s rev3 for a year ons taramps smart3. One’s still going built like a tank. Gettting a recone kit for it. Should be back up in no time. SUNDOWN FOR THE WIN
They're both nice but it's always gonna be sound preference for me,and as always I still think American Bass has the best bang for the buck 😎 another good video Parker 👍🏻
Do they pack a good punchy bass or nah?
@@marcuskoolrt yes they do 💪
I just got to 15 skar in my crown vic and I didn't know nothing about the speakers because I all brought kickers. Now I like skar just a Lil better because of the price and they still hit harder then a kicker too me and that's just my opinion
Another A-1 video from my guy Parker Well said they both sounded great but if your bassiN on a budget the Skar gets my vote don't get me WRONG Sundown makes a great product I just think u get more bang for your $ with the Skar.I hope to see the Savard Hi-Q 12 reviewed.Keep the great content coming👍🏾 🔊🔊🔊-🔊🔊🔊
Thanks man! Will keep the videos coming
I have run sundown audio since 2011. Both are good subs but the sundown audio hands down are better subs to be honest.
If money was no *object* I wouldn't be looking at either of these subs, that's for sure. It'd be the Peerless 15" STW-350F. BUT that defeats the point of your video. Great job, as usual!
Really good point!!!
I love the DDX. I'm getting a pair of Skar EVL 12's and a Skar RP 3500. 1D to push them. Already bought a Kenwood Cd blue tooth player with remote. So I get to install all of that in one day. Lol maybe not in just one day. Have a great one Parker. 😎😊
These subs remind me of old school earthquake subs , same style basket similar motor size and stuff . Awesome subs .
I know the pole piece is different towards the dustcap. dished (skar) vs (sa) extended to a point. Also the different surround styles may make a slight difference. maybe one is more musical vs one is more spl (peaky.) Not 100% sure though
Another great review. Keep up with'em 👍
The larger motor structure is what helps give you the higher RMS ratings
Wish he had pointed that point out, thx
The outcome of this comparison is based on 2 woofers with significantly different specs (the ones that actually matter) in the same box is a bad comparison. These woofers do not need/like the same enclosures.
Was basically thinking the same. No 2 subs are the same reguardless if they appear the same. Quality of materials used or tolerances of said materials all effect woofer ts parameters. Those parameters are used in proper enclosure design. Make 4 boxes 2 ported 2 sealed. 1 at each subs optimum and retest. Also make sure amp can give both subs equal power or its just not a fair comparison.
It's just to give a general idea of what it can do it's not meant to be a perfect test
I agree, testing subs in the wrong enclosures is lazy. Heading the result of said test is stupidity.
@@roygeorge902 It's not meant to be taken seriously in the first place.
I don't understand why you people think that way this is just an idea of what they can do.
I have to sa 12 in my 03 mustang and I had to alter my trunk to be able to get a big enough box in there. I also had to get a 220 amp alternator, 1xs D34 ( under the hood ) , 2 xs 900 and 1 xs 750 ( in the car ) a Skar RP 2000, Kicker zx 750 , 2 Rockford fosgate 5x8 ( in the front doors), 2 kicker titanium tweeters ( on the front doors ), 2 Rockford fosgate 6x8 ( in the rear deck) Skar SKv2 1,500, 2 Skar 12 sdr ( 1 down from the DDX) in a B-box, 2 amp fans, 2 runs of 0ga. Ofc, 2 runs of 4 ga. 1 ofc 1 cca, 1 run of 2/0 ofc, a ton of 200 amp and 150 amp fuse block and 4 100 amp glass fuses. I've cracked my windshield 2 time and blown out the rear window seal 1 time! My SA 12's are still going strong three years and my Skar SDR 12's I've blown at least 3 times ( again not the DDX ) my Skar RP 2000 is 3 year Strong on it too that's the one on the SA 12's! The Skar SKV 1,500 with the clipping indicator light on bass knob( 2 years strong) I switch to run the Skar SDR 12's. I would have all Sundown audio speakers and amps if I had the money!!!!!!!
Fi Audio Alpha 12 is $170. Rated for 750w RMS and wants a nice big ported box (3-4 cubic ft)
It would be nice to see a 12 inch sub that wants a box as big as this one is. I believe it's 3 cubes. Most 12's don't really want more than 2.5 cubes of air space.
For the record because a motor is bigger or heavier doesn't make it better. It all comes down to what grade of Ferrite they are using and how well the motor was magnetized.
Flexin Five Hundred tell that to the motor force figures and mathematically derived specs most notably TS parameter info.
Its all hidden in Bl, inductance, Q (dampening) Vas(Cms as a volume of air), friction in Rms.... and then combining for further precise info Bl^2/re. The still not very well represented inductance modeling or seni inductance. simply materials used and build quality. Glue, stitched and sewn... you know this.
I had a heck of a time sorting much of it out in the TS parameter interactions or filtering by way of those specs because of what tou said, but kept picking the brains of the designers and PA cabinet makers and wow is that group of great info and experience!
Its still something i gotta carry my notes with to discuss at any level, but things are not what any label would make yiu think.
A penny spent on a sundown woofer is sadly a complete waste in ignorance and im guilty of former RF fanboy like discission making and regrets....
All i need is 1/3 of that $$ back and a 30 minute browse theu parts express to vastly inprove and dynamically change that which i thought was great... and RF isnt junk. Nor is sundown. But anyone can show you the proof that those both suck and are nearly just a name because of the unsung cheap heros that crush those brands best offerings right up to t3 and nightshade or whatever yu like.
Hindesiggt kicks my ass!
I have a 15” skar sub and I’m pleased with it and plus I’m on a budget just like a lot of other people, great job man 👍
James Marler which one did you get
Jerl Adams Well I think it was the D4.
I love them both I've had both using my skar now in my car
Good job man!!!! There both broken in I take it. Still a hard decision
Sundown better
WOW!! So much hate about Skar audio, and a few others. I have and still use different brands for my projects and Skar is definitely a great bang for the buck. It is on par with many other top brands.. I think the hate comes from the fact that Skar is affordable and does an amazing job at that. Maybe a bit jealous that they spent top$$$ for a similar sub.. Oh! Well, like I said I'm not a fan boy of any brand , but this hate needs to stop.. The basshead community should help, educate, left up, support others in the same interests. Instead we have groups acting like gangs on the block. " No American Bass is best, no Sundown for life, You stupid Soundqubed is the best, etc". Sounds completely childish don't it. I say use what works for you and shut the jack up..
Oh! Great job Parker, keep it up my man.
Been running SKAR since 2018 no regrets sow far for the price $ you can go wrong actually got 3 SVR and i abuse them every day
Parker great video man. Also thank you I was looking at a single 12 project in my Monte Carlo this video helped me make my choice. Keep up the good work I just subscribed!!
Glad to hear it helped man!! And thanks for the sub. More video coming soon
Just got hip to ur videos. Ur a good, smart kid! And do ur best to do it right! Ima subscribe. Although, idc for single sub set-ups.
Thanks man! Check my latest video. Ditched the single sub for my new project
@@ParkerTheBasshead and I see you have lol. I think you should go for a big build. At least 4 12s or something. You're totally capable of it. And you already got the power for it. Make it happen, make your channel blow tf up. Get some big sponsorships. I know I'd watch it.
I currently have the DDX-12. It performs more than well for what I need. Since I now have a bigger vehicle, I might consider getting a 2and one. But I'll try the single first.
What did u end up going with? I had the ddx 12 as well and wanted to get something bigger so I went with the 15 SDR but now I want to upgrade that( I only got the SDR 15 in the enclosure bc it was used from Skar for $160) so I'm thinking of another ddx but in a 15 or I'm thinking sundown just to see what all the hype is about
@@trickedoutequinox3265 Just stick with the DDX line seriously its not going to get much better if you're just cruising. No need to spend more than warranted for non-competition listening.
Definitely a sundown guy il pic them for sure!
I had both last year....your box not right for that ddx...they get loud in the upper 30s...38hz
Definitely the SUNDOWN AUDIO SA REV 3 (✌🏼💪🏻🔈🇵🇷✌🏼💪🏼🔉🇵🇷✌🏼💪🏼🔊🇵🇷)
Totally agree, SUNDOWN is a lot better in every single aspect! Sounded a lot more natural and a lot less distortion (Bet it's the dual Faraday rings that Mr. Fuller is famous for!) Sundown Audio is too hard to beat when it comes to Clearity and SQ, I mean their sub's are distortion free, they also use bottomless designs in some of their subs, they do crazy long coil windings, also when it comes to compatibility, their sub's work in small air space and excel easily at low frequencies, their subs are flawless, just don't go oversize!
LMAO bless your heart
You can't put 2 completely different subs in the same box needs to be boxes designed for each sub to truly test them. The distortion you think you hear isn't distortion the Skar is hitting harder and the mic can't handle it.
@@fxrsniper1 If you think Skar is better than Sundown you're the one who needs their head checked. Skar is a cheap sundown knock off. Look it up.
@@JoshuasRecordings 30 years in Car Audio go take a seat
@@fxrsniper1 30 years in car audio and don't know skar copies all of sundowns designs?
No you don't have 30 yrs experience. You have 1 year repeated 30 times.
I agree...I'm thinking of buying the Skar rp 2000. I saw in one of your videos you were using one. Are they pretty reliable and match that RMS? Thanks
Yes they definitely put out rated rms
Good video 2 12s of audiopipes are good like u say Rockville has a new 12 inch super that looks like it'd be great and they don't cost too much w12k9d2 Rockville 3 inch vc and 1000 cea rated watts around 114 dollars
Pretty much like comparing Honda vs Toyota - both offer a value proposition and reliable
Your reviews are always great, some of the best informative data out there. But have you ever do reviews with music that has actual instruments? Drums, guitars, wind instruments, keyboards...etc.? The music you are using is great but how can you tell if the subs are reproducing accurate bass notes and not too heavy in some areas? The boom boom is great but what about tonality? I'm not bashing or trying to be a jerk here at all, like I said your reviews and music taste is fabulous.
What if you try some old school rock like the song Time by Pink Floyd, Tom Sawyer by Rush, or Fly Like an Eagle by Steve Miller Band? I wonder if ALL those subs you have are able to reproduce all bass notes evenly.
Ok...Ok...let all the negative comments fly. I was just asking a question about a different type of music. Not trying to piss anyone off here! Sorry if somebody got offended.
Great job 👍. I just found your channel and have been binge watching. I'm a sub now💯 my brother has two of Skars 8's in his truck underneath the rear seat. If you didn't know that they were 8's and then found out that they were after hearing them. You'd be impressed. I have a 2015 beetle that I'm fixing to do. All the speakers are Skar. I don't remember the type. But there not Skars basic speakers. The 4 6.5's will be ran on a Kenwood 4ch amp and the 10" Skar sub in there box will be on a Rockford 1ch mono amp. With a Kenwood head unit. I went with Skar speakers and sub from hearing his. I can't wait to get it in. Beetles have great shape for good acoustics on the inside.
Another tidbit to add to this discussion is that alot of people don't realize that car audio manufacturers use the same company to build their products. And with Sundown and Skar, they are the exact same thing. The owner of Skar used to work at Sundown and then he left and started his own thing. But they use the same internal on everything but Skar offers it at a better price point. But that's just an example of two companies. Start looking at the fine print of some of these companies and you will see that they are ran by the same "One" company. I'm a dj too so that happens in that world too. One of the "top" companies for dj'ing is Rane. And a company that gets crapped on is Numark. Well guess what, Numark and Rane are under the same umbrella and there are still dj's out here who don't know that. But because something is "expensive" then people think that oh I have to have that because it costs $500 more than this other piece. All because people are sucked into the consumerism complex. I'm a basshead all day everyday since 1991 and I've learned alot over the decades. So one bit of advice for everyone is don't get sucked into thinking something is better just because it costs more and don't think something is crappy just because someone else said so and you didn't hear it for yourself. I've been shocked at how much car audio that is actually good but if I listened to someone else I would have never known.
Very nice review. I can't wait to install my 2 15s skar ddx with the rp2k on chevy. Its gonna be a blowthru 4th order box. Should sound decent
How u like them? I have one DDX 15 now and love it
I've been using skar subs and amps for a few years now. I used to be a kicker fan then realized I was throwing money away. For what you pay for a good kicker sub, you can get an even better skar sub and save a little money.
Right now in running an evl 12 in the skar box. I should actually spend the money and get a box built for it. Not that the skar box is bad, I just think the sub can do much better.
Thanks for the video's.
What kicker were you running? I have a couple of vids i have both set of subs the kicker cvx 15s and skar ddx 15s both dual 4ohm and the kicker cvx sounds deeper and louder than the skar ddx. Ive always used kicker but cvx or the L7s 15s ive tried alpine but decided to go with skar but cvx sounded much better
@@rhurtadorh32 I have a cvx 12 and started with about 800 watts on it. It was in a kicker box that probably was a little too small for it if I'm being honest.
I moved to the 1500 watt skar amp and a 2.5 cube box but still didn't get the sound I wanted and thought I should get out of it.
So now I'm running a skar evl 12 in a factory skar box and it's so much smoother sounding work way more thump.
I'll check out your videos, thanks for the response.
Rafas Dad skar bangs and its a good sub i actually like the way it look.I just got a sub box tuned to 34 herts with a 8 inch port and them kickers are slamming hard.what some people dont understand is if you have a prefab box its not gonna sound the way the subs are supousto sound. And people start complaing right away. A correct well built sub BOX is the key for the subs to sound the right. way.
Rafas Dad i took my subs out and amps due to the cold weather here in chicago.
Rafas Dad fyi i have them kickers with a orion xtr 2500
11:11 If money was no OBJECT. Thx 4 comparison, would like to always compare using a spl db meter on window/legal for reference to for other subs you test.
Brandon Lee glad I’m not the only one who was bothered by the “money was no option” 😂😂
Honestly sundown won this one but skar beat it with price
I agree sundown sounded louder and clear on the lows. I'm running skar for anyone calling me a fanboy
Raven Nichols skar audio has some serious bang for your buck if you ask me 👏
Scar had better low end sound quality
@@detonationpyrotechnics4156 I don't see a Two SA12 sundown build doing 155db.. But there is a Two Skar DDX 12 build doing 155
Have 2- SKAR Shallow mount 10's under back seat of a Nissan Titan and they hit hard as hell. Can't go wrong with SKAR...they are reasonably priced and you get a ton of bang for your buck.
Ive had the SA. Get the American Bass XFL, no question about it as that was my next sub and it was so much better imo.
Sundown all-day
Skar.....if not audiopipe
"Money is no object"..... The common phrase is "Money is no OBJECT" ! Unfortunately for me right now, its just like Parker mistakenly says, "Money is no option" :) lol So I'm running an 18" Skar, and it sounds freaking phenomenal :)
You kids don’t know how lucky you are. In 1996 when I bought my first sub it was a Soundstream SPL12 for $350. That was a true 400w RMS sub. I blew it with a 500 watt amp. Now you can get a Skar DDX12 for $150 and it will mop the floor with my first sub
Hey Parker love the videos and thank you for the content!!!
Would be interesting to see the same price point comparison Sundown VS Skar EVL or VXF or whatever is matching in price to the sundown
Don’t you have an EVL? 🙂
The SA would get slaughtered in its price range. The VXF would laugh at 1500 watts clean power while the SA would be holding on for its life.
Out of those 2 subs, the DDX sounded more on frequency to me when playing the lower notes while it beats the SA price. I personally would switch to sundown when i wanna upgrade my DDXs
For future reference, the term is "If money were no object", not "If money were no option". Good video though, I agree with your conclusion.
I have tried ALL Skar 10” this last year starting with DVC2 10” SDR, then SVR, EVL, then landed on (1) DDX in 10” DVC2 in Skar Factory Rhino lined ported box and it is a “Beast”! I have it paired with a D4S’s JP8 at 1 ohm “smashing!”#Skar❤#DDX🔊👑
how do you like the ddx compared to the svr you had?
The Skar SVR and DDX subs are very similar in looks, sound, and build. After owning all 3 including the SDR sub; I prefer the DDX overall even though they handle about the same power. I prefer the build on the DDX & it hits the lows just like I want and just seems to looks better to me like the chrome shine on the magnet. I have been pounding my Skar DDX 10” DVC2 for over a year now & it has become my favorite Skar by far! The D4S JP8 amp is “REALLY” putting this DDX sub to work!#Skarsubs#DDX#D4S#JP8#🔊❤️@alltorque415
@@bondalero0074 Ive been debating on which subs i want, i got limited space in my single cab obs f150. i have a sealed 2 12 box, i had 2 skar vd 12s and i didnt like them at all. i been debating on ddx, svr, crossfire c3, deaf bounce machete or sundown e. i have 2 audio legion gladiator 10s in my tahoe. Man do they hit every not so good people cant believe it when they see my setup.
Why did you pick the DDX over the EVL? I've seen some comments say that the DDX is actually better than the EVL.
The DDX has a bigger motor 202oz vs 166oz on the EVL. It has higher db sensitivity and more cone area.
The only thing the EVL wins at is xmax 23.5mm vs 15mm
I have employees that run the EVL and they just didn’t impress me, I also like the look of the DDX more.#Personal Preference@@Argedis
has skar fixed the cone problems yet ? after awhile the cones get holes in them from slapping the terminal/leads on 10 and 12'' . many have had this issue .
You can’t compare these subs unless you build a correct box for each.. the SA12 only need a 2net where the the DDX12 need 2.5 net. Why? Because the Sundown has a stronger motor and better soft parts. Smaller box means more subs can fit in a given space. That is the $70 difference bro you couldn’t find. That box you test every sub in its way to large for the Sundown. But it in its proper b box and the difference will be very very noticeable.
Exactly and this is why I think these tests mean nothing if they're going to be stuck in the same box
For those that didn't know..Jacob Fuller designed this subwoofer for Kevin at Skar. Just for any, that didn't know.
That 70 bux is for the name!
I say buy what you like, bump what you like and rep what you like.