I've got three of these No96 'Pocket rockets'. What surprised me most about your demo once you got it going you never stopped pumping like mad! I find it best to let it 'burn' for 30 seconds so the lipstick, cup and flame spreader gets a lot hotter to so to vapourise liquid paraffin into a gas. It's colder outside than inside and a slight breeze make it longer to heat up fully. If it's losing pressure unscrew the pump rod and leave the leather washer end in paraffin over night to swell up for a better pump seal.
I had the exact thing happen with my 96. The burner bell was not transferring sufficient heat to the vaporizer tube to gasify the paraffin. It fit loosely so there wasn’t sufficient metal to metal contact to transfer the heat. The solution was to add a shim. Bernie dawg has a video on how to do this. I used a beer can with the paint sanded off for the shim material and it worked great. To confirm that this is the problem, point a butane or propane flame at the vaporizer tube while it is burning to see if that stops the liquid stream of fuel from shooting out the vaporizer tube jet.
Before using a 60 year old stove I renew all seals and washers including pump leather and removing the non return valve and replacing the lead washer and the pip/rubber. A special tool is required to remove the NRV. Once that is done remove the lipstick, empty the tank, fit the tank cap and tighten the filler cap. Now give the pump about a dozen pumps and submerge in water. There should be no bubbles. If there are, note where the bubbles are coming from and take steps to remedy the leak. If all is OK then try a test run.
Ahh shame, I was all excited, not seen these before, it's great to see vintage gear, at least it partially worked to get a feel for what it's supposed to do. Love that it's volatile and trying to kill you as you'd expect with old gear, it didn't disappoint 😉
We had these in the Scouts in the 80’s, and getting the ‘head’ hot is critical, along with clean jets or you get fire balls spat out the top…. And makes sure you are not losing pressure by a minor leak somewhere….. once they run they are awesome ! I remember a few of us burning eye brows and fringes in the scouts learning to use them ! Happy days !
Yeah I can imagine them taking off a few eye brows haha . Turns out I didn't get the head hot enough and I should have used the wind shield but lesson learnt for next time haha
I have this same year and model from new in 1962, still with its original seals etc. I use it regularly and take the pump apart and oil the leather pump head which keeps it supple and gives a good seal. it has a lovely little 4 sides folding windshield which keeps the lipstick tube good and hot in windy conditions. the set originaly came with a small screw cap tin for the meths. I much prefer it to modern gas burners.
I too prefer the pressurized brass stoves. I Have a few to choose from when I go bike touring. I take the size stove that corresponds to the size of the group.
Come on dude, you need to do a remake of the #96 stove in action. In addition to using the small wind shield to get and keep the lipstick vaporizer hot, you need to get wind shield for the stove. Can prop up logs or purchase a metal foldable wind shield. Enjoy your outings and humor with fellas.
HI, looks like the elements were against you, using the wind shield will help the meths heat the burner properly so that the paraffin gasifies correctly, then you can balance the pressure from pumping. ;) The meths flame needs to be as vertical as possible. keep the air valve closed once pumping begins. To turn it off, open the air vent, this will release the air and pressure and extinguish the flame. Good luck, and thanks for sharing.
@@mdmoutdooradventures I found this for you, its an older model, but the maintenance principles are pretty much the same :), Glad I could help :) th-cam.com/video/MvDMSoYEkNk/w-d-xo.html
@Snorkherder Yeah you was right I just tested the stove again at home and it works perfectly fine . As you said I should have used the windshield while heating the stove but I completely over looked the windshield haha . Thanks for the advise 👍
I remember our primas stove and lamp that we used camping when I was a child ..3 reasons the primas would fail ..the presure leaking from somewhere ie perished washers ..or the stove getting cold ..or the jet being blocked with a bit of soot ...in your box I think I saw the needle for cleaning the jet ..carry on camping
Change the filler cap seal and non return valve seal as it will probably be old and brittle so is leaking air and depressurizing, pump to much and you fill the burner tube (lipstick) with raw paraffin so you get the big yellow flames.
The seals might need replacing. I love using old stoves like these. They make a nice change from other modern choices. I've done a few videos with an Optimus No.00 on my channel. Great video by the way! I look forward to watching more!
U done all correctly, mst probably the stove is dirty, also the main tank. The other may be fuel, but doubt it. Also as others mentioned in other comments try using wind shield, those stoves are fragile for wind. Other than that no need to apologize, great video and i would really like to seee You using this great piece of history once again :)
I know some of the other guys you sometimes camp with have some old kit also, that would be a fun get together,, nobody is allowed to bring anything newer than say 1985 or some random year like that:) just food for thought
That's not a bad idea Brad I'm sure we all have gear older than 1985 but sleeping bags I'm not sure any of ours are that old so sleeping bags would have to be just what we have 👍
Hi, there's a lot of.helpful information on 'Spiritburner' the classic camp stoves website. Your stove is fitted with the earlier cast iron burner plate which was changed later on to a burner head with a brass crimped on burner plate for safety, you wouldn't want a cast iron burner plate falling off in use??. Leather pump washers and the required seals are available through this site. Definitely worth following up. I own a pre WW2 Primus 96 which required a replacement lipstick during the rebuild process.
Cool old stove. I picked one up in eBay a few years back. Unfortunately they are getting really expensive so they are more for collectors rather then outdoors men.
Beautiful stove, I have a similar but smaller, backpack size stove, need to find a tin for it. My guess is that with yours, the fuel is not atomizing properly, perhaps due to low pressure in the fuel tank or partially clogged nozzle. Check the seal at the fuel tank cap and at the pump plunger, and/ or check ball/ valve. Don't give up on it, you'll get 'er running smooth. I use 'white gas' (Coleman fuel) and a small welding tip cleaner to clean the passageway and nozzle. Do check the wick, as you mentioned. I don't use mine much, I got it for $5 at a Christmas bazaar and just like having it in my workshop. I should fire it up again so it's ready for the next outing. Thanks for the walk and look at your new/ old stove, nice find!
Great video mate 👍 I enjoyed watching it and the stove looked great love old stuff like that hope you get it working mate somethings don't go to plan but that's life 👍😉
Thanks 👍 human error with stove as I didn't use the wind shield so the meths didn't pre heat the stove correctly so the gases didn't burn correctly. Oh well I now know for next time haha
Indeed, probably the fuel cap rubber needs to be replaced. 9 out of 10 paraffin stoves that I have or had needed the old brittle one replaced for a new soft one.
Entendo que o video é explicativo, mas ao acender a caneca de aquecimento eu já coloco a panela em cima, aquece mais rápido tanto o cálice de queima e a própria panela.
simple fisics the out side air is calling things down so you no longer have anuff tempitratcher to keep the kerasene/paraffin vaperising they have to be kept out of the wind or breez the slowest drop in temp and karesene/pariffin will stop vaperizing and you will get liquid shut up and cards fire ball
I'd try to clean the lipstick. Sounds as if it may have some buildup in it that is restricting the flow of the gas vapor, which could have prompted you to over pressurize the feed chamber.
Turns out it was human error haha because it wasn't windy I didn't put the wind shield around it for the pre heating so the meths didn't pre heat it enough. Tested it at home after and it worked absolutely fine
@@mdmoutdooradventures, ahh, I see. That's a little treasure you've got there. I look forward to seeing you use it in another video. I know the extra steps necessary are a bit of a pain, but maybe you could do a retro video utilizing items from that period.
Normally, when stoves like this are not hot enough to vapourise the fuel, it "flares up". Yours didn't seem to do this. I have got an old Optimus stove of the same vintage as yours. I might just get it out for a play!
Looks like the cold weather has massacred the stove the extra pumping has caused the spitting, the 1962 tec has shown its ugly head the 1962 is a nice show piece MDM on how things were back in 1962 . MDM .
Was all due to me not using the wind shield around the burner while the meths heated it so it didn't get hot enough for the gasses to burn correctly and in so doing so had to pump it more and like you said that is what caused the spitting . Lesson learned for next time , no matter if there is no wind use the wind shield to pre heat the stove . Tested it at home again and its working fine .
Mate, great vid, '62 was a fantastic yr!!!! Lol. My old coelman stove is very similar, maybe you had too much parafin or pumped it up to much???? Keep up the vids (mark?) Ive seen you with Andy, great vids, take care mate. Dusty.
Hi mate if you don't get any joy. Why not look up PaleoMakerMD channel, he's renovating a lot of old stoves may be worth a look or chat. Good vid and keep going 👍
There’s a thin metal bar that runs up the centre of the lipstick with a sharp point at the end that’s the needle jet, if it’s dirty that’s what will be causing fuel to no vaporise….as I write this I now realised I’m a fuckin old fart lol
Yeah these things need to be pre-filled at home away from the bush, (i assume spilt fuel can ignite on a warm sunny day here) But stick with the isobutane canisters people, the most reliable fuel source there is for nature cooking.
I've got three of these No96 'Pocket rockets'. What surprised me most about your demo once you got it going you never stopped pumping like mad! I find it best to let it 'burn' for 30 seconds so the lipstick, cup and flame spreader gets a lot hotter to so to vapourise liquid paraffin into a gas. It's colder outside than inside and a slight breeze make it longer to heat up fully. If it's losing pressure unscrew the pump rod and leave the leather washer end in paraffin over night to swell up for a better pump seal.
I had the exact thing happen with my 96. The burner bell was not transferring sufficient heat to the vaporizer tube to gasify the paraffin. It fit loosely so there wasn’t sufficient metal to metal contact to transfer the heat. The solution was to add a shim. Bernie dawg has a video on how to do this. I used a beer can with the paint sanded off for the shim material and it worked great. To confirm that this is the problem, point a butane or propane flame at the vaporizer tube while it is burning to see if that stops the liquid stream of fuel from shooting out the vaporizer tube jet.
Worth a try
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Before using a 60 year old stove I renew all seals and washers including pump leather and removing the non return valve and replacing the lead washer and the pip/rubber. A special tool is required to remove the NRV. Once that is done remove the lipstick, empty the tank, fit the tank cap and tighten the filler cap. Now give the pump about a dozen pumps and submerge in water. There should be no bubbles. If there are, note where the bubbles are coming from and take steps to remedy the leak. If all is OK then try a test run.
Best in my opinion, I got two small ones, Ones Brass and one Crome
Busy restoring one of these beautiful things 👌🏻
use the pricker to clean the jet and renew the seals. These stoves are bullet proof.
Ahh shame, I was all excited, not seen these before, it's great to see vintage gear, at least it partially worked to get a feel for what it's supposed to do. Love that it's volatile and trying to kill you as you'd expect with old gear, it didn't disappoint 😉
I will get it working correctly but it was working absolutely fine at home . Bloody typical it won't work when you take it out haha
Fantastic just what I need. Thankyou
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Sounds like the old; “but mechanic when I drive it, it makes a funny noise” it’s a beautiful woodland. Another good video cheers mate. Grays
That's a shame all didn't go to plan, Marc. Snorkherder's answer sounded the best one and you have proved it so.
Yeah I completely over looked the wind shield because it wasn't windy but just goes to show you need it to pre heat the stove .
@@mdmoutdooradventures We live and learn.
And from your vid now, many will learn. Especially if they take the time to read the comments 😉👍🏼
Try pre heating twice when outside
We had these in the Scouts in the 80’s, and getting the ‘head’ hot is critical, along with clean jets or you get fire balls spat out the top…. And makes sure you are not losing pressure by a minor leak somewhere….. once they run they are awesome !
I remember a few of us burning eye brows and fringes in the scouts learning to use them ! Happy days !
Yeah I can imagine them taking off a few eye brows haha . Turns out I didn't get the head hot enough and I should have used the wind shield but lesson learnt for next time haha
I have this same year and model from new in 1962, still with its original seals etc. I use it regularly and take the pump apart and oil the leather pump head which keeps it supple and gives a good seal. it has a lovely little 4 sides folding windshield which keeps the lipstick tube good and hot in windy conditions. the set originaly came with a small screw cap tin for the meths. I much prefer it to modern gas burners.
I too prefer the pressurized brass stoves. I Have a few to choose from when I go bike touring. I take the size stove that corresponds to the size of the group.
@@tomsitzman3952nice little stove, ashame there expensive hope I come across one close to nothing
Come on dude, you need to do a remake of the #96 stove in action. In addition to using the small wind shield to get and keep the lipstick vaporizer hot, you need to get wind shield for the stove. Can prop up logs or purchase a metal foldable wind shield.
Enjoy your outings and humor with fellas.
Yeah I do need to get it out again for sure . Can't believe it's been 3 months since I last had it out .
Clean the needle with the pricker. Check the seals of the paraffin supply inlet.
I had one give it away I never used it wish I kept it great video good job you had the bush box cheers for a great video 👍
Thanks Andrew 👍 yeah thank god for the bushbox so I could still have a coffee haha
I sometimes use hand gel the one with alcohol in it as that burns hot and well
HI, looks like the elements were against you, using the wind shield will help the meths heat the burner properly so that the paraffin gasifies correctly, then you can balance the pressure from pumping. ;) The meths flame needs to be as vertical as possible. keep the air valve closed once pumping begins. To turn it off, open the air vent, this will release the air and pressure and extinguish the flame. Good luck, and thanks for sharing.
I think you could be right as this would explain why it was working perfectly at home
@@mdmoutdooradventures I found this for you, its an older model, but the maintenance principles are pretty much the same :), Glad I could help :) th-cam.com/video/MvDMSoYEkNk/w-d-xo.html
@Snorkherder Yeah you was right I just tested the stove again at home and it works perfectly fine . As you said I should have used the windshield while heating the stove but I completely over looked the windshield haha . Thanks for the advise 👍
@@mdmoutdooradventures You are most welcome sir, thanks for great feedback and great vids :)
I remember our primas stove and lamp that we used camping when I was a child ..3 reasons the primas would fail ..the presure leaking from somewhere ie perished washers ..or the stove getting cold ..or the jet being blocked with a bit of soot ...in your box I think I saw the needle for cleaning the jet ..carry on camping
Change the filler cap seal and non return valve seal as it will probably be old and brittle so is leaking air and depressurizing, pump to much and you fill the burner tube (lipstick) with raw paraffin so you get the big yellow flames.
The seals might need replacing. I love using old stoves like these. They make a nice change from other modern choices. I've done a few videos with an Optimus No.00 on my channel. Great video by the way! I look forward to watching more!
U done all correctly, mst probably the stove is dirty, also the main tank. The other may be fuel, but doubt it. Also as others mentioned in other comments try using wind shield, those stoves are fragile for wind. Other than that no need to apologize, great video and i would really like to seee You using this great piece of history once again :)
Thanks 👍 it turns out it was just me not using the wind shield haha lesson learnt haha . Yeah I do need to get it out again 👍👍
I know some of the other guys you sometimes camp with have some old kit also, that would be a fun get together,, nobody is allowed to bring anything newer than say 1985 or some random year like that:) just food for thought
That's not a bad idea Brad I'm sure we all have gear older than 1985 but sleeping bags I'm not sure any of ours are that old so sleeping bags would have to be just what we have 👍
Hi, there's a lot of.helpful information on 'Spiritburner' the classic camp stoves website.
Your stove is fitted with the earlier cast iron burner plate which was changed later on to a burner head with a brass crimped on burner plate for safety, you wouldn't want a cast iron burner plate falling off in use??.
Leather pump washers and the required seals are available through this site. Definitely worth following up.
I own a pre WW2 Primus 96 which required a replacement lipstick during the rebuild process.
Thank you for the information ill check the site out 👍👍
Cool old stove. I picked one up in eBay a few years back. Unfortunately they are getting really expensive so they are more for collectors rather then outdoors men.
They are expensive now about £100 for a complete one
Beautiful stove, I have a similar but smaller, backpack size stove, need to find a tin for it.
My guess is that with yours, the fuel is not atomizing properly, perhaps due to low pressure in the fuel tank or partially clogged nozzle. Check the seal at the fuel tank cap and at the pump plunger, and/ or check ball/ valve. Don't give up on it, you'll get 'er running smooth.
I use 'white gas' (Coleman fuel) and a small welding tip cleaner to clean the passageway and nozzle. Do check the wick, as you mentioned. I don't use mine much, I got it for $5 at a Christmas bazaar and just like having it in my workshop. I should fire it up again so it's ready for the next outing. Thanks for the walk and look at your new/ old stove, nice find!
Great video mate 👍 I enjoyed watching it and the stove looked great love old stuff like that hope you get it working mate somethings don't go to plan but that's life 👍😉
Thanks 👍 human error with stove as I didn't use the wind shield so the meths didn't pre heat the stove correctly so the gases didn't burn correctly. Oh well I now know for next time haha
@@mdmoutdooradventures it does look cool though mate fairplay atb
Sounds like one of the seals are leaking. That's possibly why its not holding pressure and leaking a bit. 🤔
Was working absolutely fine at home thats what I cant work out 🤷♂️
Indeed, probably the fuel cap rubber needs to be replaced. 9 out of 10 paraffin stoves that I have or had needed the old brittle one replaced for a new soft one.
I’m sure Wiltshire man had something similar to this in a vlog he may be able to help. 👍
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Entendo que o video é explicativo, mas ao acender a caneca de aquecimento eu já coloco a panela em cima, aquece mais rápido tanto o cálice de queima e a própria panela.
The jet hole
simple fisics the out side air is calling things down so you no longer have anuff tempitratcher to keep the kerasene/paraffin vaperising they have to be kept out of the wind or breez the slowest drop in temp and karesene/pariffin will stop vaperizing and you will get liquid shut up and cards fire ball
You need to get the lips stick hot and replace all washers and a new non return valve
I'd try to clean the lipstick. Sounds as if it may have some buildup in it that is restricting the flow of the gas vapor, which could have prompted you to over pressurize the feed chamber.
Turns out it was human error haha because it wasn't windy I didn't put the wind shield around it for the pre heating so the meths didn't pre heat it enough. Tested it at home after and it worked absolutely fine
@@mdmoutdooradventures, ahh, I see. That's a little treasure you've got there. I look forward to seeing you use it in another video. I know the extra steps necessary are a bit of a pain, but maybe you could do a retro video utilizing items from that period.
It looked to me as though it was loosing pressure. Is there a leaking seal somewhere.
I didnt get the head hot enough
Normally, when stoves like this are not hot enough to vapourise the fuel, it "flares up". Yours didn't seem to do this. I have got an old Optimus stove of the same vintage as yours. I might just get it out for a play!
I had to make a windshield for mine out of tomato paste can.
I just ordered a non return valve,primer cup and seals. I WILL DO A RESTORATION VIDEO
The fuel is dirty or contaminated The orfus is tiny. 2x fuel the fuel with a wool filter or coffee filter Have had a 00 since 1970
Ask Simon he's got one.
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cool thing 💪but still workin.
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shame there i've heard sasquatch are first class at repairing vintage paraffin stoves🤣😛
better condition than me
😂😂 and me haha
Where do you buy seals for these things
Looks like the cold weather has massacred the stove the extra pumping has caused the spitting, the 1962 tec has shown its ugly head the 1962 is a nice show piece MDM on how things were back in 1962 .
MDM .
Was all due to me not using the wind shield around the burner while the meths heated it so it didn't get hot enough for the gasses to burn correctly and in so doing so had to pump it more and like you said that is what caused the spitting . Lesson learned for next time , no matter if there is no wind use the wind shield to pre heat the stove . Tested it at home again and its working fine .
tengo uno parecido que restaure pero mi pregunta es si es normal que el tanque se caliente mucho cuando esta encendido el calentador
Mate, great vid, '62 was a fantastic yr!!!! Lol. My old coelman stove is very similar, maybe you had too much parafin or pumped it up to much???? Keep up the vids (mark?) Ive seen you with Andy, great vids, take care mate. Dusty.
Thanks Dusty 👍 it was human error I should have used the wind shield while pre heating the stove haha
u could aldo ask Simon bloke in the woods
The pump leathers dried-out and needs lubrication as I can see the pump is loose and it's losing pressure there
Maybe ask Andy (Kent survival)
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Hi mate if you don't get any joy. Why not look up PaleoMakerMD channel, he's renovating a lot of old stoves may be worth a look or chat. Good vid and keep going 👍
Thanks Duncan but sorted it now 👍👍
Shit appens mate ...ATB Craig 👍👍👍
Yeah 😪
There’s a thin metal bar that runs up the centre of the lipstick with a sharp point at the end that’s the needle jet, if it’s dirty that’s what will be causing fuel to no vaporise….as I write this I now realised I’m a fuckin old fart lol
This model doesn't have the metal bar it has a wire mesh in the lipstick
Yeah these things need to be pre-filled at home away from the bush, (i assume spilt fuel can ignite on a warm sunny day here)
But stick with the isobutane canisters people, the most reliable fuel source there is for nature cooking.