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French Mondain | Is this utility breed a good pigeon for farming squab? | Fair Creek Farm
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มี.ค. 2018
- Ever seen squab on a fancy restaurant menu? I'd like to farm my own. But are modern French Mondain a good bird for raising squab?
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I've had pigeons for 50 plus years. My favorite are Hungarians but hard to find now. If u want a good utility breed try Texas pioneer or giant homers they will breed better than the French mondain
Wow! This was so good to see! I had Mookies and Old German Owls, and they got along so well I was under the impression that pigeons paired off and never squabbled or bossed. They weren't a lot of meat, but they were amazing production birds. Thanks for this info on utility birds going the way of form over function in some cases. Very informative!
A very interesting video! These big guys are so cute :)
Found your channel searching for raising squab. Just subscribed. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching! Do you keep pigeons? If so, breed? :)
@@SixInACastle I do not. I'm moving from a large homestead back to the suburbs so my animal options are limited. Just started with quail and researching other "micro livestock."
That's great though that you are looking for options :) I hope you find something that fits your space. Pigeons are great for smaller spaces. I used to keep coturnix quail but ended up not being very impressed with them.
Greetings,
I raise several utility breeds of pigeons. Utility Kings, Texan Pioneers, Hoobles, White Carneux and yes my favorite utility French Mondain (old standard!!!) The problem you have with your birds in the video is they are the new standard and breed for show quality not production. The French Mondain (old standard) are marvelous parents with superior production often raising 5 to 6 rounds year, so that's 10 to 12 squeakers per pair. They dress out between 14 to 17 oz. Of all my utility breeds the number one would be utility Kings, followed by the French Mondaines (old standard) and then the hoobles. The old standard are hard to find online but they exist. I was lucky enough to find a breeder on hoobly.com.
Cheers, Johnathan Wagner
Wow! You have just blown my mind. I had no idea that birds of the old french mondain standard still existed. I've been trying to recreate them. I'll make a video soon to show you what I've made :) Is there somewhere I can get in touch with you to see your birds? :)
@@SixInACastle Johnathan Wagner text or call 423-244-4891 I would be happy to text you pics of my Mondaines. Cheers
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I'd like to buy some birds from you, or maybe you can direct me to someplace near me‽
I'm going to be watching you closely because what you're doing is what I want to do. i live in a town and a quiet meat bird is what I want. I fully intend on eating them.
If you are in the USA, get in touch with me on our facebook page. I'm better at responding to messages there and can work more closely with people who have questions or want to buy birds :) Thanks!
In Jamaica we call that a king pigeon, I had one only one he couldn't fly well everytime he did, he injured his wing, I think I might raise some in the future 👍🏾
King pigeon is different breed and french modain is different both are different body structure
I have a LaHore pigeon and a Birmingham Roller. They are pets, but I enjoy learning about pigeons on the farm.
looking forward to your next video with the new pigeons breed
I hope to do an update video soon. :) sorry I've been away for too long
Really hoping there is a part 2!
Thinking of getting a couple pair of utility Kings for home consumption.
Raising pigeons can be very rewarding. I did end up making my own utility/meat breed :)
Any updates on the pigeons and how successful you’ve been raising them for utility purpose?
I got mostly wild caught pijums right now, looking at some Great Giant Runts and maybe a couple Red Runts, I would love to try breeding a pigeon/pheasant hybrid or trying to get an all black chicken hen to mate with an all black pij and see if we can get a "black pigeon" sort of hybrid. For now the wild caught guys just need into a flight cage, I'd love to keep adding to that flock for food. Smaller, but tasty all the same. Cool video, I literally started two weeks ago, found this very helpful especially for the feed and feather trimming stuff! Thanks for this!
I'm not sure some of those can mate successfully to make a hybrid... but I'm curious to see if you have any success in it! If you want birds to eat, do not get runts. They get their size in feathers and fat, not meat. And they don't breed well. Look for Kings or Texas pioneers. :)
@@SixInACastle Did you ever find any good Utility breeders? I'm DESPERATELY looking everywhere! It's like the internet has been scrubbed, there's so little information!
Great video. I'm just getting into it. I had coturnix for 4 years. Great for eggs not Great for meat. Plan to get giant homers. Hope the breed well.
These Pigeons look really juicy and succulent.
Nice birds 👍
I'm trying to get back into making videos :) it was nice working with you!
@@SixInACastle you in WI.?
Yes, I am. (sorry I think I had you confused with another Brian I just sold birds to :) Your name looked so familiar!)
I would love to see a video on raining sqab. Im hoping next spring to get some UP so im trying to figure out what kind of housing and what breeds thanks.
Good luck! Raising pigeons can be very rewarding. :)
King ..yes,,, king would be a cool name for him .lol
Nice video,,,thanks for sharing 👍 really good quality. What 📷 you are using? Looks so clear,, like being there ...love it.
Just my iphone 7, nothing fancy :)
Same. Just my phone, Sony android. 😊
Where does one buy meat pigeons to raise? I’m having a hard time finding anywhere
Gotta go catch em
I was able to find a mentor in my area to get me started. You could also search for breeders who ship live birds. Look for pigeon clubs or other contact groups who may be able to help you find what you want. I ship within the USA, let me know if I can help you out.
3:00 the best name for him is Fat Boy.
Great video
I live in wv and am very interested in raising Squab. We does one go to get a pigeon?
What would you think about plants in pots grown specially for your birds?
Wow
Awesome 👌
Is pigeon meat contain omega ?
Did you feed them fenugreek it’s easy to plant and the leafs good for human ?
Depends on what you feed them! They are pretty much what they eat just as we are. Adding more flax seed to their diet is definitely going to make them richer in ALAs and CALAs, that is omega 3s.
very nice
I keep white king pigeons. I received them in October and they have had two sets of babies. They lay two eggs at a time. In winter it is best to destroy one egg as they will favor one baby and the other may die. I feed pigeon gold mix. Like you I need to get rabbit hutches to do this right. The babies make so much mess that I am wondering how to keep the flies down once it gets hot this summer. I am having reservations about what I am doing yet mine probably breed better than yours.
I wish you lots of luck!! You seem to be figuring it all out. I've come to find that a lot of "utility" pigeons have lost their squabbing abilities. They are now show birds, bred for their large size rather than for meat. I have a lot of king mix pigeons that are much better :)
nice video.
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individual nest boxes work best, Lewis
I prefer a community cage where they can all choose their own mates for the most part.
Nice video. Going to get some runts and cross them with Kings.
That could be a very good idea! One thing to consider is that most of a runt's weight comes from fat, skin, and bone. If you are raising your bird to butcher, you may only want to cross them with runts to up their weight a bit, but runts aren't really a great squabbing bird. Only mix them with your kings if it benefits your end goal :)
I've seen people, after they pair to let them out to fly around. They come back every night?
I think this is true with most pigeon breeds, they will fly away and come home :) The mondain however are terrible fliers... If one got out of my barn, I could just follow it a short ways and then catch it with my hands. I couldn't trust them not to get easily caught by a critter in my neighborhood.
Hello how are you guys doing?
Which pigeon did you eat ?
I use .. a single group cage until they seem to pair up. then move in them into the pair caged inside the single cage. then move them into the mated cage.
I've actually moved all of mine into the pair cages now. (Rehomed the babies, but kept my two more mature pairs.) We will see how they do. I have heard that Mondain tend to be very territorial so I suppose that may be why I haven't had more babies out of mine besides the ones by the dominant male. I don't have the space to create a cage that would let them flock together and stay far enough away from each other. I let them choose their own mates, which might not have been the best idea since I have now learned that it does not improve their qualities by letting them pair with same colored birds. I should really have had my black/blue paired with a brown. Lots to learn, as I'm relatively new to the pigeon keeping world. :) Thanks for watching!!
yup.. i'd cull the problem child and roll the dice. if you have enough breeders. you aren't just breading for size it's a temperament inside your system. we have a large run outdoors they can go in and forage. It's the place we keep trees that are 2 years old in air pots and we also do chics starts in that area as well. stacking those functions. we keep bucks we are testing out to become daddy rabbits. like 4 brothers we have to breed have to be able to live together when they are not breeding. have to be able to live in a tractor system together. even though the cage we keep the 4 bucks is a HUGE tractor with a lot of space. the 4 bucks have to be able to live together and must be watched. we set up a lil webcam in that same area lol. for that reason. stacking those fuctions again. a larger outdoor run is worth it. We have owls so I wasn't sure if you had owls which is why your not letting your pairs fly for a bit.
dont worry it comes in time. I hope you enjoy the meat and what not. A lot of breeders don't bread the birds for taste they just sell and sell. it's not just about that it's about taste. they are meat birds after all. good luck I hope to see more
Thank you! I plan to get more birds next spring and then I'll have more to work with. For now, it's pair cages for me and we will see what the future brings. :) Check out my other video (posted yesterday) - do you trim vent feathers to help with breeding? My bird don't have very tight feathers so I was advised to do a trim. I'd love to know your thoughts!
Right on the money, many if not all utility breeds except kings have been breed out of the utility trait due to the demand of trying to create the prettiest birds. Sad but true that the utility birds that actually are productive is a dying breed.
Yes!! I have been collecting different utility breeds now to see what they can do. I don't have complete pairs of some breeds, but I don't mind mixing them together. Its interesting to see the different body shapes. I'll post a video of what I have soon :)
Hello I like these birds can buy two
Without feather cut can they breed?
I have fantail, top notch feather feet and sone really nice ferals. I really enjoy catching feral pigeons. You think i could put a mondain female with a fantail male to see what offspring would produce
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Is it safe to inbreed these kinds of birds, like pairing brother with sister? I bought a king pigeon pair they are very similar to these birds and they have two chicks very close to adulthood now.
Can King Pigeon fly and homing?
There is conflicted info out their flying ability, while there is no info about their homing ability.
I want a cleaner, hardier alternative to hens. By homing, I just need bird that wouldn't get lost and know to come back to their loft like hens do.
where do you recommend me to get some pairs please help I love yours
Hi, It would be great to see an update from your pigeons. In my experience show pigeons are pretty inbred, this is the nr. 1. reason for the lack of reproductivity. I crossed other breeds with kings and this way they could raise 8 youngs per pair annually. If we had not so cold and dark winter, that could be more. If you keep more pairs than just 2, the aggression will be divided between the males. There will be still a dominant male, but he can't chase more males at the same time. Hubbels and mittelhausers are selected to be peacful, I guess they may inherit it in crossing. I don't know if kimonda is an official breed, that is also selected to be peaceful. We feed them with wheat and maize, and as a protein source chicken feed or sunflower.
For names... How about Buckwheat? Or Marty, full name Marty McFly?
Buckwheat it is!
Marty is a good name... perhaps for his son some day ;) hahaha
@@SixInACastle Am already right now joined in your Channel you are good and respectable. I am from EGYPT and piogoen breeder from where you are?
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How many pounds does this breed good.
And have you looked into king pigeons
I would like to get a pair of these what do you Sell them for
have you tried getting into king pigeons? any luck with other breeds?
I ended up making my own breed that includes a few different King, French Mondain, and Texan Pioneer.
@@SixInACastle you should try white king pigeons, had them for a few month now, they lay 2 eggs as soon as their other babies grow up to butcher size.... they production is crazy efficient
I have three running pair of mondains and 10 pair of king ATM, primarily for meat purpose. I guess mondain and king squabs are great delicacy. Do you have any idea about the full grown mondain/king as food? Thnx
We don't have much of a market for pigeons to eat, except in very fancy/expensive restaurants. I wish other people would raise them for meat! It can very hard to find good meat pigeons in the USA. I will be butchering birds for meat in the near future. :)
I want to buy please give me your email
I'd suggest the name Fat Bastard, like the character from the Austin Powers movies. He definitely looks like one. lol
I would like to buy some pigeons from you how do I get in touch with you?
What is the price of them? I love fat pigeon🕊😍😘
None for sale. Sorry!
I would be interested in a pair
I've never shipped birds before...perhaps in the future :)
SixInACastle can you show your nesting box, feed, and water system?
Keep me posted.. I would be interested in a pair or two to cross with what I currently have. I want to bring the utility back in them for food purposes.
Do you sale your pigeon I want to get couple and how much it cost
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Keep it up! Watch my videos when you get the chance i also raise pigeons just for squabing.
Definitely will watch! Thank you!!
How can I have your this mondian
I want to buy a pair please?
They really are the size of chickens, aren't they? O.O
They are!! :) haha, thanks for watching!
what food is the bird fed?
Were are you from
Most of my pigeons are on my channel
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Thank you for your information. My wife just purchased some two pairs of Utility Kings, so.......... we will see what happens. P.S. Ever worked with the Kings?
Yes! I have a few now. I"m a big fan of the kings I have :)
@@SixInACastle Any idea of how to sex them? Boy / Girl? :D We cannot get any clear cut answers. One gent stated you can see by the bill /beek of the male, but.......
The only way to really know for sure is to wait until they are about 6 months old and start to pair up. Girls will lay eggs around that age and boys will start to sing/dance. Girls can also sing and dance, but the boys usually do it more. Girls also typically do it in response to a Boy's singing. Or you can get a breed that auto-sexes by color like the Texas Pioneer. Best of luck! :)
@@SixInACastle Can King Pigeon fly and homing?
There is conflicted info out their flying ability, while there is no info about their homing ability.
I want a cleaner, hardier alternative to hens. By homing, I just need bird that wouldn't get lost and know to come back to their loft like hens do.
Hey sister can i have 1 pair mundian pigeon from you..will you help me to get this i really love these pigeon but i cant affort it..😥😥
Do you sell eggs I could hatch?
Can I buy one ?
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lol, the "breeding process if you know what I mean"
Wow they’re HUGE for pigeons lol, almost look like bantam chickens.
Yes!!
Please tell me this pigeons are not ment to be eaten
woah, what’s their weight averagely?!
I wish I had weighted my biggest guy before I gave him to a new home... I would guess a couple pounds on him. The feathers make them look a lot bigger even though they don't feel very heavy when holding them..
SixInACastle well for me, I guess that it’s around 720 grams. Can you please reply back to me with its weight as fast as possible?
I don't have him anymore. I only kept one of my french mondains and the one I kept is quite small. Sorry!
SixInACastle ;(
it’s k den. I thought that I won’t find what I asked for in google, but I found that it’s mass ranges from about 850 grams to 1160 grams, quite a real fat pigeon then xd
Thanks for looking that up! I really regret not weighting him before I said good bye.
Can you send me some pigeons ? And i have french kind dont what it really is but it gives me 1 pair every 2 weeks
I don't sell pigeons yet, but I will in the future. :) Are you in the USA? Your pigeons sound really good! Very good breeders. Are they perhaps Red or White French Carneau?
I would recommend crossing them with a more...virile utility breed.....
Lol a minute after I posted that last post, you said you were going to look into crossing....lol
Sorry, I was away from youtube for a bit and that's exactly what I've done now :) I sold all but one of my mondains and have put her with a boy who is part King and part Mondain. They just had their first set of babies! I'll show you soon.
Where did you get them from? I mean how can I get some of them?
I'd say your best place to find some would actually be facebook :) Join a few pigeon groups and reach out to see what people raise and sell.
thank you
I want to buy
C has nice eyes.
can you keep these guys as pets?
Sure! The boys will sing to you if they don't have a mate ;)
are they tasty?
Yes! Sort of like a very rich turkey meat? Hard to describe, but very tasty :)
Hi are you sale any
Name him Leeroy Brown!
Update???
I ended up mixing my French Mondain into a few other breeds and creating my own monster. Still working out the ultimate form and auto-sex, but it breeds much better and hasn't lost the size. I hope to show them off in a future video :)
For sale?
How much dear?
Sorry, I will not have any for sale.
You’re a seller? Im a buyer! Details?….
I only ship in the USA
Can i have a pair?
I do not keep this breed anymore.
Chunk
Were are you from